Re: modprobe & blacklist
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:44 AM, john f jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 23:05 -0700, Tod Merley wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:32 AM, john f jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > To use gpsbabel with my Garmin Venture Hc gps receiver I must >> > first remove the FC9 builtin garmin_gps usb module. >> > As su this works: /sbin/rmmod garmin_gps >> > >> > My question: How can I use the blacklist feature of modprobe >> > to do this automatically? Adding the line: blacklist garmin_gps >> > to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and/or modprobe.conf.dist >> > doesn't work. >> >Thanks, John Jarvis >> > >> > -- >> > fedora-list mailing list >> > fedora-list@redhat.com >> > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> > >> >> Hi John Jarvis! >> >> I would look carefully at the output of lsmod before and after the use >> of rmmod. Likey there is another "companion" module you need to >> blacklist to make this work. To make one of my wireless modems work >> for example I neede to blacklist oronco and oronco_cs to get the job >> done. >> >> Good Hunting! >> >> Tod >> > Thank you Tod: > lsmod does show two modules are loaded: garmin_gps, usbserial > Adding both of them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist doesn't prevent > loading them when the GPS receiver is connected. Where do hotplug > scripts live? >John > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Hi John! I make a habit of sometimes booting with the wireless card in and sometimes plugging it in at some time when I need the internet access. It makes no differance, the blacklisting works. So now I wonder why yours does not. That is why a premission and ownership check I mentioned. I am not that far along on hotplug, perhaps someone else can chime in. When I want to look for "the involved files" in Linux I use: The man pages (usually located near the bottom of the page - also the other commands mentioned in the page). The "locate" command after running a fresh "updatedb" as root. Locate works well with grep of course. One day I do hope to conquer hotplug and all. Have a great week! Tod -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
Tim wrote: I'm inclined to make a pithy comment about the military and truth, but I don't think I'll bother. ;-) there is a lot of controversy about such, some of which i might tend to agree. not bothering, i do agree with. this list is just not place for it, even as an 'ot'. Going back to what I said earlier, though. There's little difference i can tell you have never been in military, as there is a long and true saying. 'there is a right way, a wrong way, and a military way'. their obligations either way, clicking on one more thing isn't going to force them to do what they should. no. it does not. but it does give warning and from this warning, if they violate, then they are subject to full military prosecution. I can't help but wonder if Fedora would be appropriate for military use, i am at wonder about use of fedora also. my understanding is that only redhat has meet government and military requirements. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?
Paul Johnson wrote: Fedora Unity community (http://fedorasolved.org) web site, where it appears there has not been a respin of F9 (only a spin of Everything check these; http://spins.fedoraunity.org/ http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ http://fedoraunity.org/re-spins -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 22:11 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > I have access to F7 systems where I can download the F9 install dvd. > While doing that, I was wondering if it is possible to get a version > of the dvd that includes the updated RPMS. That search leads to the > Fedora Unity community (http://fedorasolved.org) web site, where it > appears there has not been a respin of F9 (only a spin of Everything > as originally created). Are you wanting a respin of 9, or making a respin of the live CD for 9? The subject line and this paragraph seem to contradict each other. > Pointers from messages in this list lead to a HOWTO on using the tools > in the livecd-tools package to create a new Fedora dvd. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo > > As far as I can tell, the approach there seems to require me to > install F9, and then use the livecd-tools config file it provides to > build a new DVD. I would have thought you'd just download the original and new 9 files into some place, and build from there. If your "creation" command refers to a filepath for your existing 7 installation, then it'd be recreating that, instead. > I see now the fastest thing to do is install F9, run yum update, and > forget about making the updated F9 dvd. In the past, when I've installed an OS and there were lots of updates that'd be applied, post-install. I preferred to make a really minimal initial install, then update from there. That seemed the least painful method, to me. I can see why any install always starts from the initial packages, then updates, as that set of packages has been tested together (hopefully). Whereas doing an install with a package list that gets the latest version of each package, first go, wouldn't have been tested, and could easily fall apart in a heap. But it'd be nice if it *could* work that way, without having to make a respin (if you picked such an option, and wanted to do a network install). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
John Burton wrote: The side effect of the unneeded restriction of $90k dollars for a Mercedes is that I don't get to drive one. Cry me a river. Cooperation is the cost of reusing GPL licensed software. Close your eyes for a moment and picture a big red tag that reads: $ COOPERATION That's the GPL. Okay, here are a couple of questions I haven't seen answered. There are several "license" schemes put forth for Open Source software. GPL and BSD are two that come to mind immediately. The purpose of "open source" is to counter the traditional closed source model of software. o Which OSS license scheme does the best job of promoting "cooperation" and reuse of the software? why? This has been debated endlessly, but if you look at the historical examples I think you have to conclude that the evolution and reuse of code is an organic process and not very predictable - and that much of the best currently available open source code has gone through versions that were non-open for some periods of time. Using the GPL prohibits that potential step in development where commercial funding might be contributing to subsequently available code - as well as any improvements that might come from components under different licenses or developers who refuse to encumber their work with the GPL restrictions. o Programmers live in the real world. They have to do mundane things like pay rent/mortgages, pay bills (heat, gas, internet connection, etc). Which OSS license scheme does the best job of supporting the programmer ? (if the programmer has to spend 1/2 their time fund-raising to support their programming, then is it worthwhile?) Why? You need to propose a business model before that question can be answered in the context of open source. If you are talking about selling/supporting a product while releasing the code, the GPL restrictions that limit the ways the code can be improved work to your advantage and if you own the copyright to the entire code base you can offer a different commercial license for some uses. But, if you go out of business, the released GPL'd code is still stuck with the restrictions that limit the ways it can be re-used. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
Tim: >> Personally, I don't see that clicking on an additional "yes" button >> makes any difference. I'll click on it and lie, anyway. Or not abuse >> the system, anyway. g: > not for sure, but he may be talking about a military base use. > > not a good place to lie about such things. I'm inclined to make a pithy comment about the military and truth, but I don't think I'll bother. ;-) Going back to what I said earlier, though. There's little difference between "by logging on you consent to..." and an extra "by clicking on 'yes' you consent to..." (after you've already logged on, or before you do so). Either the user is going to obey or abuse, they're informed of their obligations either way, clicking on one more thing isn't going to force them to do what they should. I can't help but wonder if Fedora would be appropriate for military use, though. I doubt it'd have enough checks made on the code being used for it to be cleared. Whether that be for security, or simply for reliability. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Installing Ndiswrapper for AWLL6070 (rt2870)
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 19:58 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > Say what? My Access point device IS broadcasting! Sorry. I thought your comment about setting the SSID was you wanting to manually input the SSID to use, and you usually read about that sort of thing because the access point isn't transmitting one to appear in a list to pick from. > the nice thing is, that using iwconfig ra0 does not HANG the system > completely unlike using Ndiswrapper. Heck, leaving the WXPx86 > drivers in the /etc/ndiswrapper/rt2870 directory causes *severe* > system instability that I was forced to issue an > ndiswrapper -r rt2870. I've never been keen on the ndiswrapper idea of things (trying to make use of Windows/DOS code in an envelope). A lot of Windows drivers are bad enough in their native environment... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Mounting of drives
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 19:48 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > Yes, I did. I tried all 7 Sata ports and they all behaved the same > way. This blew me away. Perhaps Sata ports have no unique > position identifier, such as "I am Sata port #1", ... ? On someone else's PC, I noticed that there did seem to be some order to which port was first. But I wonder if your problem is down to something like: One of the drives is ready first (Fedora 9 seems quite slow at scanning devices, and spews out numerous errors in the meantime - at least it's slow to boot up, and theres lots of dev errors when you plug in USB drives post-boot). One of the drive partitions is set up to be "bootable" and the other not, and that affecting which is first. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: GNOME panels misbehaving
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 20:34 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: > I just installed F9[*] and I am experiencing some weird behavior: I > like to swap GNOME panels, leaving the one with the window list applet > at the top, and the one with the menu at the bottom. It works fine > while my session is running, but if I log out and then back in, the > panel with the menu (which should be at the bottom) is stuck at the > top, right below the other (that should indeed be at the top). If I > try to change its position to "bottom", it simply refuses and stays > there... How are you re-arranging them? Dragging them about, or right-clicking on a panel, opening the properties, and picking the top/bottom/sides options? > [*] BTW: I simply *hated* the new GDM -- the background is horrendous, > and I don't like the user chooser panel. Can't say I like it, either. The background's easily replaceable, but the rest isn't so easy to deal with. I'd rather just type in username and password, than have a list of things showing that I don't want showing (imagine the mess if you had hundreds of users). It's also nuts at inconsistently default selecting different users, so even a re-login of the same user has to cursor arround. And the slowness between picking a user before it lets you type in a password means that touch typists have started typing their password before the gadget is accepting input. I tried replacing it with XDM, but that doesn't set up something that Gnome needs. I haven't tried replacing it with KDM, I didn't want to go down the root of installing KDE, even if only partially. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You can't go 'hey, ma, look this book I wrote' when what you wrote > was only the preface. Likewise, you can't go "hey, world, look at this operating system I wrote" when all what wrote was only the C library. Maybe we should call it glibClinux, like we do for uClinux? And since you can use newlib instead of glibc if you want, we'll need a Newlib/Linux too. You're been using Windows as an example of "an operating system" but Windows isn't Windows without the graphics. By your examples, we should be calling the OS X/Linux. Or XglibClinux. Or kdeXgliClinux. But wait, an OS includes IPC, right? Sigh. dbusKdeXglibClinux then. Oh wait, you included DOS in your example OS list. DOS comes with ZERO libraries and applications[*] (does command.com even count? even if it did, there were a lot of substitutes for it). So we're back to just Linux again. It's a matter of semantics. The FSF is defining "operating system" as "the stuff the FSF did, plus Linux", in order to convince the world that they deserve more attribution than everyone else. That the other contributors are NOT making similar demands on the world speaks highly of them. That other people define "operating system" differently seems to be an ignored point by the FSF proponents. Potayto. Potahto. Get over it. [*] Ok, it came with a few device drivers and such, but nothing of a type that isn't in the Linux kernel these days. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
Tim wrote: Personally, I don't see that clicking on an additional "yes" button makes any difference. I'll click on it and lie, anyway. Or not abuse the system, anyway. not for sure, but he may be talking about a military base use. not a good place to lie about such things. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?
I have access to F7 systems where I can download the F9 install dvd. While doing that, I was wondering if it is possible to get a version of the dvd that includes the updated RPMS. That search leads to the Fedora Unity community (http://fedorasolved.org) web site, where it appears there has not been a respin of F9 (only a spin of Everything as originally created). Pointers from messages in this list lead to a HOWTO on using the tools in the livecd-tools package to create a new Fedora dvd. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo As far as I can tell, the approach there seems to require me to install F9, and then use the livecd-tools config file it provides to build a new DVD. I installed livecd-tools in the F7 systems, but the config file it provides is designed to get F7 package updates. I mean this command: livecd-creator \ --config=/usr/share/livecd-tools/livecd-fedora-desktop.ks \ --fslabel=Fedora-7-LiveCD-1-foo does not produce an F9 dvd. I see now the fastest thing to do is install F9, run yum update, and forget about making the updated F9 dvd. But the curiosity within me is too great to stop without asking. -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Installing Ndiswrapper for AWLL6070 (rt2870)
Tim wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 09:12 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > got as far as getting the client to see the Access-points from the > neighborhood which was awesome, but failed to set the ESSID in order > to connect to my Access point. Granted that you probably also have other problems, but are you making things more difficult for yourself by setting your access point to not broadcast its SSID? Say what? My Access point device IS broadcasting! Under the Ralink Technology scenario, ie compiling the source, and installing the rt2870sta.ko, comfiguring, etc, the problem is that using iwconfig fails to set the ESSID. I cannot think of any other way to configure the USB device! It does not even appear in the 'Network Configuration' tool under the 'Wireless' selection. Albeit, the nice thing is, that using iwconfig ra0 does not HANG the system completely unlike using Ndiswrapper. Heck, leaving the WXPx86 drivers in the /etc/ndiswrapper/rt2870 directory causes *severe* system instability that I was forced to issue an ndiswrapper -r rt2870. I thought it was new new kernel but I retracted it once I discovered this fact. I have also posted my issue on the Ndiswrapper forum and pray that someone could help me out. It's been a frigging nightmare so far. Hiding it doesn't make a network more secure, at all. But hiding it does make it a bit more difficult for you to associate with the right access point. I didn't hide the broadcast if that is what you are saying... It's like taking all the labels off your tinned food. You can still get into each tin, but you've got to sample them all to find the right one. Yeah, I know that - like shooting at tin-cans in the dark! ;) Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Mounting of drives
Tim wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:54 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > When satisfied with the first drive, I decided to add a 2nd raw drive > to the system, rebooted, I noted that the 2nd drive became /dev/sda, > the first (original) drive became /dev/sdb. I'm going to ask the obvious question: After adding the second drive, and noticing the change, did you try swapping the ports the drives were plugged into? (To make your first drive back into being /dev/sda again.) I saw UUID later in the thread, and that'll help you with Linux, but not GRUB. You'll have to deal with getting the right drive, separately, to begin booting a system. Yes, I did. I tried all 7 Sata ports and they all behaved the same way. This blew me away. Perhaps Sata ports have no unique position identifier, such as "I am Sata port #1", ... ? I do not know the hardware/software internals as to how Sata ports are scanned and in which order if there is an order at all. I don't know how the BIOS scans ports either but I would bet that if I had a PATA (IDE) drive, it would come first off as /dev/sda (or is it /dev/hda?) long before SATA gets scanned, but don't hold me to this assumption! ;) As for UUID. I found thast tune2fs -u random was the way to place UUID on a partition. I haven't tried it yet but will do so as soon as the VERY slow dd clone completes a 750GB transfer at 3.0 MB/sec rate - it's gonna be a long night. Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: GNOME panels misbehaving
Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I just installed F9[*] and I am experiencing some weird behavior: I like to swap GNOME panels, leaving the one with the window list applet at the top, and the one with the menu at the bottom. It works fine while my session is running, but if I log out and then back in, the panel with the menu (which should be at the bottom) is stuck at the top, right below the other (that should indeed be at the top). If I try to change its position to "bottom", it simply refuses and stays there... So far I have given up and am using the one with the menu at the top, but it is of course humiliating to be defeated by an applet ;-) Anyone else experienced this? Any workaround? Should I file a bug report? Hi Andre, I have added panels I put images in, and I stack and move them around. The order seems to persist for one reboot, then the panel with widgets seems to migrate to "the edge", as though it prefers to be there. But I can reorder them again. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-July/msg00988.html Could be a similar issue. I could do this and have them stick forever in F7. --- John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: compile graphical ssh - GFTP
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 17:36 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote: >>> I'm trying to install gtk+-2.13.3 in order to install GFTP (a >>> graphical SSH tool). >> >> Just for an exercise? Unless you want to do that, you don't have to >> compile it. > > Yes. Something like that. I want to be able to compile the thing in some > other system. I thought my F8 box would give me a stable test ground. > >>GFTP (a graphical *FTP* tool, as the name says, with some >> other protocols, too), already exists as a precompiled package, and can >> simply be yum installed. > > I did installed the package yum provides. It works fine. I use port 22 > with SSH2. > > So -is there anyone who has played with this GFTP source before? > > ~af > I believe you are not getting some configure options correct, and you also may have the thing confused about which version of glib you are using because you have 2 installed, afaict. Anyway Here's how you find out how it can be compiled. Get the SRPM, install that. That will show you a SPEC file, and you can read that to see the configure options that are used. Another thing you can try is a test re-build of the SRPM. That will tell you if your build system is broken/incompatible. Maybe another reader can point you at an easier way to do this, but here's how I do it in a clean account "pauljohn". Create a file .rpmmacros and it has this in there $ cat .rpmmacros %_topdir /home/pauljohn/LinuxDownloads/redhat And then create the subdirectories where the SRPM will drop things: $ mkdir -p /home/pauljohn/LinuxDownloads/redhat/SPECS $ mkdir -p /home/pauljohn/LinuxDownloads/redhat/SOURCES $ mkdir -p /home/pauljohn/LinuxDownloads/redhat/SRPMS $ mkdir -p /home/pauljohn/LinuxDownloads/redhat/RPMS/i386 $ mkdir -p /home/pauljohn/LinuxDownloads/redhat/BUILD I think that is enough. Maybe you want i686 under RPMS as well. then you install the SRPM file $ rpm -ivh gftp-whatever-src.rpm That will put a spec file under the SPECS directory, go read that over. If you want to try to build it without changing it, just do (after cd to the SPEC directory) $ rpmbuild -ba gftp.spec If it finishes, you will get RPMS created in RPMS/i386 and a new SRPM will be created in SPRMS. If you use the -bb option, it won't create a new SRPM. You'll need the rpm devel packages to do this. I'm on an Ubuntu system now and can't check, but I believe yumex will make it easy to find the package that has "rpmbuild" in it. pj -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 22:32 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > Yes, there are unfortunate downsides because of license > incompatibilities. This is not exclusive of copyleft licenses. We've > also covered in fedora-devel that authors who want to cooperate to > promote a better world will find a way to cooperate. We also covered in that thread how incredibly difficult it can be to make that cooperation happen and how frustrating and depressing it is to have to spend enormous amounts of time and effort time doing that rather than producing useful code and improving people's lives and livelihoods. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 23:33 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I can't help but point out that your
> > definition of "operating system" does not include GNU, since GNU does
> > not have a kernel.
>
> Ever heard of the Hurd?
Ever since it was first mooted. Has anyone ever seen one? Are there any
in production use anywhere in the world?
However that's not my point. You can't claim that GNU={libraries+apps}
and also GNU={libraries+apps+kernel}. In this discussion even the
pro-GNU people are using the first definition, not the second.
poc
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Re: RhythmBox wants text/html decoder plugin ?? --[SOLVED]
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 12:32 -0400, William Case wrote: > I didn't notice, but in the last set of upgrades was there an Ogg or > related upgrade? Check your /var/log/yum.log -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Imagine if the reference TCP implementation had been GPL'd and no commercial systems used it because of the restrictive license. We'd still be struggling to make any two different systems communicate today. It's indeed difficult to implement code to follow specifications. Why bother with Free Open Standards, let's just copy the code, right? Yes, that's the point and value of licenses that permit it. Otherwise there would be no reason to even discuss it. Everyone benefits. And it's fairly clear that it happened that way - for example a few years back there was a security fix that was necessary at the same time in just about every device/OS that ran SNMP (Linux, most unix's, windows, embedded systems in routers, etc.). Was it a coincidence that everyone implemented the same bug? Nevermind that the kernel Linux wouldn't take code under the original BSD license, out of license incompatibility, and their TCP/IP stacks could (and still can) interoperate. And it took years of pain to shake the bugs out. Were you using Linux seriously in the first few years of this crazy exercise? I had serious data loss to several versions of NFS alone. How about that 'ping of death' with an oversized packet? So there... That implementation made life easier for all those OS vendors who didn't want to respect their customers' freedoms, but didn't help much other communities who did. The *bsd implementation made life easier for everyone who had enough sense to use it. Starting from scratch was an academic exercise that put everyone involved through hell - and still - the best it can do is exhibit standard behavior. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Björn Persson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I can't help but point out that your definition of "operating system" does not include GNU, since GNU does not have a kernel. Ever heard of the Hurd? Yes! http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html -- Fortune favors the BOLD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Mounting of drives
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:54 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > When satisfied with the first drive, I decided to add a 2nd raw drive > to the system, rebooted, I noted that the 2nd drive became /dev/sda, > the first (original) drive became /dev/sdb. I'm going to ask the obvious question: After adding the second drive, and noticing the change, did you try swapping the ports the drives were plugged into? (To make your first drive back into being /dev/sda again.) I saw UUID later in the thread, and that'll help you with Linux, but not GRUB. You'll have to deal with getting the right drive, separately, to begin booting a system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Installing Ndiswrapper for AWLL6070 (rt2870)
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 09:12 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > got as far as getting the client to see the Access-points from the > neighborhood which was awesome, but failed to set the ESSID in order > to connect to my Access point. Granted that you probably also have other problems, but are you making things more difficult for yourself by setting your access point to not broadcast its SSID? Hiding it doesn't make a network more secure, at all. But hiding it does make it a bit more difficult for you to associate with the right access point. It's like taking all the labels off your tinned food. You can still get into each tin, but you've got to sample them all to find the right one. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
smbclient -N --no-pass broken
Example : $ smbclient -A /tmp/foo -N //192.168.200.10/a_share -D / -c ls Where : /tmp/foo contains : username=uname password=pass Under F7 this worked fine. The -N (or --no-pass) option helps deal with broken credentials files (/tmp/foo) so no prompt is requested or shown. For example in scripts, which should not hang. Under F9 this fails with : Anonymous login successful Domain=[FOO] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 Lan Manager] tree connect failed : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED I don't see anything in bugzilla about this. Should I bz or ask elsewhere about this? TIA, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Jul 16, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: It was GNU. GNU, as a system, pre-dates Linux. >> >>> As a system of what? >> >> An operating system, whose kernel was still under development. And, >> like every other component of the GNU Operating System, still is. > With respect to the quality of the components that are more or less > completed, as a working system GNU might as well stand for "GNU's not > usable" - without someone else's kernel anyway. That's true. Just as true as Linus' claim as to his kernel at the time he first announced it, no? See, that's exactly why it would not be right to call it just GNU, or just Linux. It's the combination of both that makes them both useful. >> prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu > I don't think anyone ever objected to that being called GNU. The > objection is to the demand that the name be tacked on to other > distributions. There's no such demand. There's a request (not a demand) that, if one chooses to refer to the name of the operating system, the combination be used rather than the name of the kernel that makes for a smaller portion of the operating system than the GNUserland. > As I recall, the GPL explicitly prohibits such demands Correct. Red herring, too. >>> I was more interested in running apache and sendmail at the time and >>> didn't care if it was bsd, linux, or unix underneath. >> Apache?!? You're not going far back enough. Apache is younger that >> Linux, IIRC. Certainly much younger than GNU. > Apache wasn't the original name. It was and it wasn't. It was indeed a bunch of patches on top of the (also younger) NCSA http server. That's where "a patchy http server" came from. But that was '90s already, some ten years after GNU started. > Sendmail does go back even further, perhaps to the days when there > were dozens of computers on the internet - but without something more > interesting along with the ability to reuse the code it might have > stayed that way. Yeah, there are *so* many widespread Free sendmail derivatives I can hardly count them with a single finger :-) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: hp-toolbox and refilled cartridges ??
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Case wrote: >> >> Hi all; >> >> Sorry for the number of posts lately. I am trying to work my way >> through F9 fixing and tweaking all the little issues that have been >> around on my machine for the last 2 - 3 Fedora versions. I am almost >> finished. >> >> I recently had my HP #74 refilled rather than purchasing a new one. It >> works fine but hp-toolbox (and the WindowsXP gui thingie) continues to >> tell me that the black cartridge is still "very low". >> >> Does HP have some secret little way of telling I am using a refill and >> therefore refuses to acknowledge it? > > Yes, they do. The circuitry to detect low levels is on the cartridge itself > and it locks at the lowest reading. A long time ago a friend of mine found > some software on the net to reset Epson cartridges. You may have to go > looking for the same magic for HP. Yeah - I try not to use any printers with chips on the cartridges if I can help it. I have a Canon Pixma that has a prism in the bottom of the cartridge that is used to determine the ink level. I vote it 'Best Ink Level Monitor Ever", since it actually reports the level of ink. Carts with chips just count the number of print passes - they have no way of sensing the actual ink level... There may be a hardware reset like this: http://www.misterinkjet.com/hp45_15reset.htm But you will need to google around for your particular model of cartridge... Good Luck! Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Jul 16, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >>> I'm not the one trying to dictate the name used for other people's >>> software. I think it is wrong. >> >> I'm happy you agree it's wrong. This means you wouldn't side with the >> people who did just that to the GNU operating system, when they >> started calling it Linux, would you? > I'd rather see it called the xwindow system if you are going to give > any particular chunk more credit than the rest in the name The "X Window System" is a well-known term, and it definitely isn't the name of an operating system. It is the name of a component, and an optional one while at that, as you pointed out. Besides, it's not a matter of selecting at random who're going to give credit to. This doesn't make sense. You can't go 'hey, ma, look this book I wrote' when what you wrote was only the preface. It isn't reasonable is to pick the name of a minor contributor and make it seem like that one was the main contributor. It's dishonest. If you have to choose only one contributor to refer to the work, it's just reasonable to choose the largest contributor, even if that contributor didn't contribute more than the sum of the contributions of the others. And then, there's nothing wrong in naming more than one, as long as the naming is fair, i.e., it matches reasonably the amount of contribution. And then remember we're talking about operating systems, not kernels and not distributions. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 15:25 -0500, Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: > I've got it working for text logins like ssh but the problem is > logging in via GDM and/or KDM in a gui environment. Users are > required to acknowledge the consent statement before logging in to the > system. If you're liberal in how you acknowledge acknowledgement being acknowledged, you could write the agreement into the graphic used as the background for GDM/KDM/etc, and just take the entry of the username and password as being the user agreeing. Personally, I don't see that clicking on an additional "yes" button makes any difference. I'll click on it and lie, anyway. Or not abuse the system, anyway. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Jul 16, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No it isn't. There is never a down side to permitting additional > uses. They never reduce the possibilities for the original work. Correct. The downside is merely the failure to provide even more incentive for the possibilities that are effectively explored to become something that everyone can use in as much freedom as the original. You can say as much as you like about the local optimization afforded by permissive licenses. The wish for power to take control away from others who fall in your trap can indeed cloud the judgement. Copyleft is about global optimization. It's about ensuring everyone who receives the software can be Free. Yes, there are unfortunate downsides because of license incompatibilities. This is not exclusive of copyleft licenses. We've also covered in fedora-devel that authors who want to cooperate to promote a better world will find a way to cooperate. > To understand why, have a look at >> http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/papers/free-software/BMind.pdf > Your scenarios have nothing to do with real-world possibilities. Indeed, they're very abstract. Be creative: instantiate them and then you'll see they do make sense. > You need to permute your license cost chart for all possible > recombinations of code components No, I don't; you do :-) > Imagine if the reference TCP implementation had been GPL'd and no > commercial systems used it because of the restrictive license. We'd > still be struggling to make any two different systems communicate > today. It's indeed difficult to implement code to follow specifications. Why bother with Free Open Standards, let's just copy the code, right? Nevermind that the kernel Linux wouldn't take code under the original BSD license, out of license incompatibility, and their TCP/IP stacks could (and still can) interoperate. So there... That implementation made life easier for all those OS vendors who didn't want to respect their customers' freedoms, but didn't help much other communities who did. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Jul 16, 2008, John Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some, not all, are provide by FSF. What specifically causes "linux" to > be considered "GNU/Linux" ? I sense a faulty assumption in the question, so let me expand the terms you put in quotes. What specifically causes "the combination of the GNU operating system, minus its kernel, with the Linux kernel" to be considered "GNU Operating System + Linux kernel"? Now, does it even make sense to ask this question? :-) > I use alot of GNU utilities & libraries on Solaris & AIX systems, > does that make them GNU/Solaris or GNU/AIX systems? It doesn't matter much what you install on top of an operating system; the operating system (presumably) is still there. It's not because you install Cygwin on MS-Windows that it's not MS-Windows any more. That said, if you rely so much on GNU tools in whatever operating system you use, to the point that there's more GNU in it than any other individual component, then I guess you could say you've turned it into a GNU/whatever system. But most systems don't like much when you *replace* its native parts with other parts. In general, systems designed to use those parts stand a better chance of tolerating the replacement. > I even use the GNU compiler suite on these systems, does > *that* make them GNU/AIX or GNU/Solaris? Certainly not. Some would even say that the compiler is not part of an operating system. > Is it the fact that the kernel is compiled by GCC that makes it > GNU/Linux ? Nope. The kernel is not GNU/Linux. The kernel is Linux and remains Linux. What compiles it is irrelevant. > What is the distinction that makes people claim "GNU/Linux" and not > GNU/AIX or GNU/Solaris. How about BSD? That AIX, Solaris and BSD are complete Unix[-like] operating systems, whereas Linux, per the word of its own initial author, is a kernel, designed to work with GNU. GNU aims at being a complete Unix-like operating system, but the need for its own kernel to achieve this was diminished by the existence of another Free kernel that works with it: Linux. Thus you can say that GNU+Linux makes for a Unix-like operating system, but you can't say that Linux makes for a Unix-like operating system, because it takes more than a kernel. > wasn't BSD UNIX for big iron around before FSF got it's start? > Didn't BSD have a fairly complete system *before* > GNU tools started being widespread? Yup. But IIRC back then BSD was still largely encumbered by AT&T UNIX code. Otherwise GNU might have never been started as such: BSD could have been the Free operating system of choice. > What is the distinction that makes people claim "GNU/BSD"? Most often I've seen people say GNU/k*BSD, i.e., the GNU operating system running on top of a BSD kernel, rather than its own (the Hurd). GNU/BSD would probably be a different kind of animal, with far more BSD userland to the point that it makes sense to keep both GNU and BSD (rather than GNU and kBSD) in the name of the combination that makes for an operating system. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: hp-toolbox and refilled cartridges ??
William Case wrote: Hi all; Sorry for the number of posts lately. I am trying to work my way through F9 fixing and tweaking all the little issues that have been around on my machine for the last 2 - 3 Fedora versions. I am almost finished. I recently had my HP #74 refilled rather than purchasing a new one. It works fine but hp-toolbox (and the WindowsXP gui thingie) continues to tell me that the black cartridge is still "very low". Does HP have some secret little way of telling I am using a refill and therefore refuses to acknowledge it? Yes, they do. The circuitry to detect low levels is on the cartridge itself and it locks at the lowest reading. A long time ago a friend of mine found some software on the net to reset Epson cartridges. You may have to go looking for the same magic for HP. -- Anger is momentary madness. -- Horace -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RE: Time differential problem
Well it says -0500 when you look at the tomcat logs and the logs for the proprietary cisco software. It looks like it grabs the time when the WCS daemons are started because if I change the system clock to a new timezone, it doesn’t take effect in WCS until I restart it. Also if I change to a timezone without DST then it syncs up with the system clock so it's definitely a DST issue. The only DST settings are for applying to Cisco devices that this software controls. Nothing about setting it for the WCS software itself. It's not a huge issue, if we just have to make a mental note that it won't do DST during DST then so be it. Here's a snippet from the WCS's bundled tomcat log 207.159.169.231 - - [16/Jul/2008:19:13:34 -0500] "GET /webacs/alarmSummaryAction.do?command=summary&dojo.preventCache=1216253613682 HTTP/1.1" 200 417 207.159.169.231 - - [16/Jul/2008:19:14:35 -0500] "GET /webacs/alarmSummaryAction.do?command=summary&dojo.preventCache=1216253674344 HTTP/1.1" 200 417 207.159.169.231 - - [16/Jul/2008:19:15:35 -0500] "GET /webacs/alarmSummaryAction.do?command=summary&dojo.preventCache=1216253735024 HTTP/1.1" 200 417 Likewise here's from its bundled apache: 207.159.169.231 - - [16/Jul/2008:20:15:35 -0400] "GET /webacs/alarmSummaryAction.do?command=summary&dojo.preventCache=1216253735024 HTTP/1.1" 200 417 207.159.169.231 - - [16/Jul/2008:20:16:35 -0400] "GET /webacs/alarmSummaryAction.do?command=summary&dojo.preventCache=1216253795692 HTTP/1.1" 200 417 As you can see apache's doing -0400 hours whereas the tomcat's picking up -0500. Very strange indeed. Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. Infrastructure Technician Linux Specialist Department of Information Technology Westfield State College Wilson 105-A (413) 572-8245 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mikkel L. Ellertson Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:25 PM To: For users of Fedora Subject: Re: Time differential problem Casartello, Thomas wrote: > This is probably not the proper place to ask this. It’s more of just a > curiosity question just if anyone has any thoughts. I have a piece of > software (Cisco Wireless Control System) installed on a Fedora 9 box. > The time on my box is correct (daylight savings time) but the time in > the WCS interface is wrong (It’s one hour slow. It’s obviously not > taking DST into account.) The software has a builtin apache server > where the timestamps in the logs are correct. The timestamp’s in the > apache TOMCAT logs are not correct (same as in the WCS interface.) It > seems to be heavily java based so maybe it’s a java issue. > > > > If anyone has a thought, it’d be much appreciated, > > Tom > Is there any time zone setting in the Cisco program's configuration? It sounds like it may be using a fixed offset to UTC, instead of local system time, or a timezone with DST. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: GNOME panels misbehaving
Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I just installed F9[*] and I am experiencing some weird behavior: I like to swap GNOME panels, leaving the one with the window list applet at the top, and the one with the menu at the bottom. It works fine while my session is running, but if I log out and then back in, the panel with the menu (which should be at the bottom) is stuck at the top, right below the other (that should indeed be at the top). If I try to change its position to "bottom", it simply refuses and stays there... So far I have given up and am using the one with the menu at the top, but it is of course humiliating to be defeated by an applet ;-) Anyone else experienced this? Any workaround? Should I file a bug report? Have you set Gnome to "save session at logout"? Just a guess...I haven't had a lot of time to futz with F9 yet. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Hosting Consulting, Inc. - -- - The light at the end of the tunnel is really an oncoming train. - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: yum update/install from a specific repo
PK wrote: hmm I don't want to change the repo files, prefer to leave them at its default state and jus have yum do that for me. At least I don't have to do that with up2date so I'm looking for a similar behaviour. Then "yum --disablerepo=atrpms,livna update" will do it. Thanks, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PK wrote: hello: had a quick question. Is there a way to check/install updates from a specific repo through yum. So say I have fedora, livna and atrpms repos on my box, would like to install /update only from fedora. So for example, up2date has a way of getting updates from a specific channel i.e up2date --channel=updates -u. so whats equivalent of that with yum? Set "enable=0" in all of the repos you have except for updates. If you need to grab something from one of the disabled repos, use yum --enablerepo=atrpms update -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Hosting Consulting, Inc. - -- - When all else fails, try reading the instructions.- -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Hosting Consulting, Inc. - -- - Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once. - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
hp-toolbox and refilled cartridges ??
Hi all; Sorry for the number of posts lately. I am trying to work my way through F9 fixing and tweaking all the little issues that have been around on my machine for the last 2 - 3 Fedora versions. I am almost finished. I recently had my HP #74 refilled rather than purchasing a new one. It works fine but hp-toolbox (and the WindowsXP gui thingie) continues to tell me that the black cartridge is still "very low". Does HP have some secret little way of telling I am using a refill and therefore refuses to acknowledge it? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
GNOME panels misbehaving
Hi, I just installed F9[*] and I am experiencing some weird behavior: I like to swap GNOME panels, leaving the one with the window list applet at the top, and the one with the menu at the bottom. It works fine while my session is running, but if I log out and then back in, the panel with the menu (which should be at the bottom) is stuck at the top, right below the other (that should indeed be at the top). If I try to change its position to "bottom", it simply refuses and stays there... So far I have given up and am using the one with the menu at the top, but it is of course humiliating to be defeated by an applet ;-) Anyone else experienced this? Any workaround? Should I file a bug report? Regards, Andre [*] BTW: I simply *hated* the new GDM -- the background is horrendous, and I don't like the user chooser panel. And as if this wasn't a bad enough first impression, there's no easy way to change it. I already found out how to do it, but I have to say that it would have made much more sense to release it only with F10, with the proper configuration tools. Bad move. OTOH I am very impressed with PackageKit so far... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates
* Robert Bernabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080716 07:58]: Hi all, Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere? We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry. You may be able to rsync just the part of the repos you need, and then keep a local copy of that. Here's two URL's I found (not read them in-depth) that seems relevant to what you want to do. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Tiering http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article/yum_article/node15.html It's a start, and should give you an idea at least. thanks... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates
I haven't used rsync and perhaps it does this automatically, but you can also use wget with a list of packages that you have installed, set to only update files that have changed. Point it to a specific mirror that you know is fast and run it every night. You could then burn the resulting changes to a DVD and use sneaker net to put it into the yum cache on the machine you are running in isolated mode. Then you would just run yum update as normal and the updates would occur. I don't think that the Fedora inrastructure is really set up for this sort of no internet updating. The changes are pushed out to the mirrors over the internet, and the individual installations look over the internet to pull the updates they want. So no matter what workaround you use, it is going to require internet access for some machine. You could just set up two identical machines, one on the internet, one off. Set up yum to cache the packages on the machine connected to the internet. Use the cache to burn a DVD. The packages are all signed with a redhat key that would be verified on the offline machine, so you could be sure of getting unadulterated packages. The online machine would just be a dummy for getting the packages. Turn off all services and set up the firewall to be very restrictive. No local data, just the bare installation with all the packages of the offline machine. To be even more paranoid, only boot and check for updates, then shut it down, so you are only on the net for the duration of the package downloads and update. thanks... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: sendmail not sending
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 16:14 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages > arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog > entries are *way* too cryptic for me to decipher. > > Any pointers short of trying to wade thru the *choke* sendmail > configuration file? by default, sendmail only listens to localhost (127.0.0.1) so if you set up anything other than localhost as SMTP server in ~/.pinerc - you would have to configure /etc/mail/sendmail.mc (read the comments), then restart sendmail. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
sendmail not sending
Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic for me to decipher. Any pointers short of trying to wade thru the *choke* sendmail configuration file? -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: yum update/install from a specific repo
hmm I don't want to change the repo files, prefer to leave them at its default state and jus have yum do that for me. At least I don't have to do that with up2date so I'm looking for a similar behaviour. Thanks, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PK wrote: > >> hello: >> >> had a quick question. Is there a way to check/install updates from a >> specific repo through yum. So say I have fedora, livna and atrpms repos on >> my box, would like to install /update only from fedora. So for example, >> up2date has a way of getting updates from a specific channel i.e up2date >> --channel=updates -u. >> >> so whats equivalent of that with yum? >> > > Set "enable=0" in all of the repos you have except for updates. If you > need to grab something from one of the disabled repos, use > >yum --enablerepo=atrpms update > > -- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - > - Hosting Consulting, Inc. - > -- > - When all else fails, try reading the instructions.- > -- > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: yum update/install from a specific repo
PK wrote: hello: had a quick question. Is there a way to check/install updates from a specific repo through yum. So say I have fedora, livna and atrpms repos on my box, would like to install /update only from fedora. So for example, up2date has a way of getting updates from a specific channel i.e up2date --channel=updates -u. so whats equivalent of that with yum? Set "enable=0" in all of the repos you have except for updates. If you need to grab something from one of the disabled repos, use yum --enablerepo=atrpms update -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - Hosting Consulting, Inc. - -- - When all else fails, try reading the instructions.- -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
yum update/install from a specific repo
hello: had a quick question. Is there a way to check/install updates from a specific repo through yum. So say I have fedora, livna and atrpms repos on my box, would like to install /update only from fedora. So for example, up2date has a way of getting updates from a specific channel i.e up2date --channel=updates -u. so whats equivalent of that with yum? thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
OK, I can log into KDE now but everything is different. Thanks for getting me back into KDE. Could you tell me step by step how to get my settings back, is that possible? I don't understand what you mean by this: You can copy mail settings and anything else you need back from the saved folder. You'll find things in ~/.kde.sav/share/apps and ~/.kde.sav/share/config. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: restorecon not found
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:52:44 +0800, Jun Evidente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Can anybody tell me me how to 'restorecon'? > > All I get is "bash: restorecon: command not found" when I issued it from > the terminal. It's in /sbin. Most like /sbin isn't in your path. Try typing: /sbin/restorecon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
>> Ditto. However, just about a week ago a routine update installed >> xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386. This is the package that is >> suspected of >> being the cause of the problem. Do you have that one? >> >> Desktop effects - try System Settings > Desktop and uncheck 'Enable >> desktop >> effects'. These are not compiz-type effects, but things you can easily >> live >> without until things get fixed. HTH >> >> Anne >> >> -- > I do not know if I have the package, > xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386, installed, and I do not know how > to check? I would go to system settings but as I said all I have is a > mouse pointer and a black screen after the splash screen goes away. I'm not sure that it's the i810 package specifically. I have it installed on my system, as well, but have an nVidia card with no special drivers, other than the ones installed by Fedora. I did, however, get exactly the same problem with the black screen and no real feedback, other than the moving mouse, after recent updates. Unfortunately, one can not uninstall the i810 driver, on its own, unless one uses "--nodeps" or, possibly, "--force", which might wind up breaking the xorg-x11-drivers package. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I can't help but point out that your > definition of "operating system" does not include GNU, since GNU does > not have a kernel. Ever heard of the Hurd? Björn Persson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to change order of services
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Andrea wrote: ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: wpa_supplicant # Required-Start: $local_fs messagebus # Required-Stop: $local_fs messagebus # Default-Start: # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: start and stop wpa_supplicant # Description: wpa_supplicant is a tool for connecting to wireless networks ### END INIT INFO I will try to add wpa_supplicant to "Required-Start" of the network. By all means, let us know how it turns out! I've added wpa_supplicant to "Required-Start" of the network. Today, after a big system update, the order was correct. I *think* this fixes the choice of the order. I seems then, that there are 2 systems which don't cooperate very well. Andrea -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
> Sorry, Mike. I didn't realise that you hadn't got past that stage. > > At bootup, as soon as you see the 'Booting Fedora in x seconds...' hit any > key. That will bring up a screen with the kernels you have installed listed. > Unless you have any reason not to, you should edit the top one. 'e' brings > up edit mode. (I'm working from memory, so I could be out on detail, but > you'll be able to follow with the aid of the prompts that are on screen.) > > This screen shows the bootup command, split into three lines. Move to the > end > of the second line and put a '3' there. Hitting 'b' will then boot from that > prompt, giving you a one-off text-console boot. Log in as yourself, then > > mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.sav > reboot > > This time you should get your graphical login and you will have a new ~/.kde. > You can copy mail settings and anything else you need back from the saved > folder. You'll find things in ~/.kde.sav/share/apps and > ~/.kde.sav/share/config. > > To find out whether you have the video package, open konsole and type > > rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv > > > If nothing returns you haven't got it installed. If it is installed it will > give you the full version. > > > Anne > > -- When I typed in this, rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv , command in the terminal it gave me this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ I am on a buddy's email, so that is why the name is different, I have been meaning to get my own. So I guess that it is not installed. The problem is that I can't login to KDE, I can in Gnome though. I will give what you said a try about: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.sav -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
> I think there are two separate issues. Desktop effects in KDE4 (especially > 4.0) cause problems with some video cards. I wasn't intending to use heavy > effects, but I had to turn them off on this laptop, as I had silly problems > like clicking on the clock brought up a shadow where the calendar should have > been. > > The reason for your problem, though, has not been discovered. You are the > third person I've come across other than myself. I believe it happened to me > after a batch of updates (see Bug #454055). The only cure I've seen is to > rename ~/.kde and restart. You can then copy back your important files from > ~/.kde.bak/share/apps and ~/.kde.bak/share/config. > > Less than satisfactory answer, but at least you get to work again. > > > Anne > > -- Anne, if you think this is the best way could you tell me how to do it step by step? I should also mention I have no trouble logging into Gnome. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 21:24:32 Mike Chalmers wrote: > > Ditto. However, just about a week ago a routine update installed > > xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386. This is the package that is > > suspected of being the cause of the problem. Do you have that one? > > > > Desktop effects - try System Settings > Desktop and uncheck 'Enable > > desktop effects'. These are not compiz-type effects, but things you can > > easily live without until things get fixed. HTH > > > > Anne > > > > -- > > I do not know if I have the package, > xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386, installed, and I do not know how > to check? I would go to system settings but as I said all I have is a > mouse pointer and a black screen after the splash screen goes away. Sorry, Mike. I didn't realise that you hadn't got past that stage. At bootup, as soon as you see the 'Booting Fedora in x seconds...' hit any key. That will bring up a screen with the kernels you have installed listed. Unless you have any reason not to, you should edit the top one. 'e' brings up edit mode. (I'm working from memory, so I could be out on detail, but you'll be able to follow with the aid of the prompts that are on screen.) This screen shows the bootup command, split into three lines. Move to the end of the second line and put a '3' there. Hitting 'b' will then boot from that prompt, giving you a one-off text-console boot. Log in as yourself, then mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.sav reboot This time you should get your graphical login and you will have a new ~/.kde. You can copy mail settings and anything else you need back from the saved folder. You'll find things in ~/.kde.sav/share/apps and ~/.kde.sav/share/config. To find out whether you have the video package, open konsole and type rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv If nothing returns you haven't got it installed. If it is installed it will give you the full version. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote, On 07/16/2008 04:25 PM: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: g wrote: Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: I'm searching for a method to display a consent to monitoring statement on either GDM or KDM in Fedora 9. I'm not tied into either display I've got it working for text logins like ssh but the problem is logging in via GDM and/or KDM in a gui environment. Users are required to acknowledge the consent statement before logging in to the system. Since gdm-simple-greeter is missing these days, what used to be simple is now becoming a problem. Are you interpreting the requirement as a "The user must actively press a button" 'acknowledge the consent statement' or "by continuing to log into this system you agree/understand the following" 'acknowledge the consent statement' if you are good with the second meaning then the Welcome setting in /etc/gdm/custom.conf is what you are looking for. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-December/msg01819.html modulus: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-May/msg00087.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-May/msg00117.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-May/msg00104.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-May/msg00276.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-May/msg00289.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-May/msg00297.html on F8 in /etc/gdm/custom.conf I had to set [greeter] Use24Clock=yes DefaultWelcome=false Welcome=our\\n\\n- multi line message BackgroundType=1 GraphicalTheme=circles Browser=false to get something reasonable. I have not bothered with F9 yet as the whole thing looks like a mess yet. Please let us know if this gets you where you need to be. -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
error usb wireless
Hello, I am a novice I try to connect my usb wireless tp-link wn321g, chip rt73 always it worked me, but now I get an error, when i put the command lsusb, the terminal was blocked they tell me something about a kernel oops, but i don't know which error and sent the kernel oops to kerneloops.org. sorry for my english -- Juan Sierra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora 9 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Jorge Fábregas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> With this one: >> >> http://tsf.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=964968 > > Well, with this one indeed it doesn't work. It's not a flash video as the > other one was. > > Here you'll have to use the Flashblock add-on tip that Tim suggested. I just > did it now and right-clicked on the blocked-flash and selected "Copy flash > location". Then I used wget to grab the file. > > The problem now is that mplayer won't handle the swf file. MPlayer will only > play flv files. You'll need to investigate this... Or you could use > Audacity to record "what you are hearing". You'll have to play with your > mixer to select the proper input. Thanks, Jorge. I can get the address with the Unplug extension of Firefox, but I cannot go further: http://tsf.sapo.pt/Player/OwnPlayer.swf Moreover, Audacity cannot record the sound is being played, as the only entry in the mixer is "Digital1"; I think Audacity needs "Wave Out" or "Stereo Mix" and not "Digital1", in order to perform the recording. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Time differential problem
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Casartello, Thomas wrote: This is probably not the proper place to ask this. It’s more of just a curiosity question just if anyone has any thoughts. I have a piece of software (Cisco Wireless Control System) installed on a Fedora 9 box. The time on my box is correct (daylight savings time) but the time in the WCS interface is wrong (It’s one hour slow. It’s obviously not taking DST into account.) The software has a builtin apache server where the timestamps in the logs are correct. The timestamp’s in the apache TOMCAT logs are not correct (same as in the WCS interface.) It seems to be heavily java based so maybe it’s a java issue. If anyone has a thought, it’d be much appreciated, Tom Is there any time zone setting in the Cisco program's configuration? It sounds like it may be using a fixed offset to UTC, instead of local system time, or a timezone with DST. Mikkel I can't answer for his software, but in the Cisco IOS there are settings for timezones and time servers. i.e. for US mountain time... clock timezone MST -7 clock summer-time MDT recurring 2 Sun Mar 2:00 1 Sun Nov 2:00 ntp server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx prefer If Cisco developed the software they may have something similar in a config file somewhere. -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: +1.970.242.3331 ext 116 fax: +1.970.245.7854 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:25:48 -0500 "Stephen Berg (Contractor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got it working for text logins like ssh but the problem is logging > in via GDM and/or KDM in a gui environment. Users are required to > acknowledge the consent statement before logging in to the system. What about using a custom gdm theme? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: g wrote: Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: I'm searching for a method to display a consent to monitoring statement on either GDM or KDM in Fedora 9. I'm not tied into either display an interesting question, which you may not have found and answer. i do not know how this would work, and maybe some others can make some further suggestions. years back under cromix and early unix, i modified 'passwd' to restrict logins to certain programs. applying this to linux, should/may not be all that different. instead of using '/bin/bash' as startup shell, consider something like '/bin/bash/consent'. 'consent' could then be a script to display consent agreement and prompt for a 'y/n' reply. if $1 = 'y' then startx. if $1 = 'n' then exit. something to think about. hth. For text logins, you could use /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net. Mikkel I've got it working for text logins like ssh but the problem is logging in via GDM and/or KDM in a gui environment. Users are required to acknowledge the consent statement before logging in to the system. Since gdm-simple-greeter is missing these days, what used to be simple is now becoming a problem. -- Stephen Berg Systems Administrator NRL Code: 7321 Office: 228-688-5738 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Time differential problem
Casartello, Thomas wrote: This is probably not the proper place to ask this. It’s more of just a curiosity question just if anyone has any thoughts. I have a piece of software (Cisco Wireless Control System) installed on a Fedora 9 box. The time on my box is correct (daylight savings time) but the time in the WCS interface is wrong (It’s one hour slow. It’s obviously not taking DST into account.) The software has a builtin apache server where the timestamps in the logs are correct. The timestamp’s in the apache TOMCAT logs are not correct (same as in the WCS interface.) It seems to be heavily java based so maybe it’s a java issue. If anyone has a thought, it’d be much appreciated, Tom Is there any time zone setting in the Cisco program's configuration? It sounds like it may be using a fixed offset to UTC, instead of local system time, or a timezone with DST. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
> Ditto. However, just about a week ago a routine update installed > xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386. This is the package that is suspected of > being the cause of the problem. Do you have that one? > > Desktop effects - try System Settings > Desktop and uncheck 'Enable desktop > effects'. These are not compiz-type effects, but things you can easily live > without until things get fixed. HTH > > Anne > > -- I do not know if I have the package, xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386, installed, and I do not know how to check? I would go to system settings but as I said all I have is a mouse pointer and a black screen after the splash screen goes away. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
g wrote: Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: I'm searching for a method to display a consent to monitoring statement on either GDM or KDM in Fedora 9. I'm not tied into either display an interesting question, which you may not have found and answer. i do not know how this would work, and maybe some others can make some further suggestions. years back under cromix and early unix, i modified 'passwd' to restrict logins to certain programs. applying this to linux, should/may not be all that different. instead of using '/bin/bash' as startup shell, consider something like '/bin/bash/consent'. 'consent' could then be a script to display consent agreement and prompt for a 'y/n' reply. if $1 = 'y' then startx. if $1 = 'n' then exit. something to think about. hth. For text logins, you could use /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Mounting of drives
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 12:06 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:54 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > > > Keep in mind that the labels of the drives are the same - so is the > > > answer to this problem is to assign UUID or something or is this > > > controlled strictly via the BIOS? > > > > UUID. This is basically what it's for. > > > Can you point me to a link where I can assign UUID > to partitions? I have read the man pages and searched > the website but cannot find instructions on how to do > it. If you never want to move disks between systems, you can always just assign your own labels and ignore UUID. "man e2label". poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: netstat is broken on F8
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:10:45 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > When I run > > netstat -s --tcp > > on all my F8 systems I get: > > IcmpMsg: > InType0: 10 > InType3: 145 > InType8: 7 > InType11: 113 > OutType0: 4 > OutType3: 2079 > OutType8: 40 > Tcp: > 58457 active connections openings > 4915 passive connection openings > 5627 failed connection attempts > 2863 connection resets received > 11 connections established > 11566532 segments received > 15124519 segments send out > 38925 segments retransmited > 37 bad segments received. > 7018 resets sent > UdpLite: > error parsing /proc/net/netstat: Success > > no further information is shown such as the TcpExt statistics. > > The command works in F9. That is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/435554 and ought to be pushed to F8 because of the kernel updates for F8. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: netstat is broken on F8
2008/7/16 Paolo Galtieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > When I run > > netstat -s --tcp > > on all my F8 systems I get: > > IcmpMsg: > InType0: 10 > InType3: 145 > InType8: 7 > InType11: 113 > OutType0: 4 > OutType3: 2079 > OutType8: 40 > Tcp: > 58457 active connections openings > 4915 passive connection openings > 5627 failed connection attempts > 2863 connection resets received > 11 connections established > 11566532 segments received > 15124519 segments send out > 38925 segments retransmited > 37 bad segments received. > 7018 resets sent > UdpLite: > error parsing /proc/net/netstat: Success > > no further information is shown such as the TcpExt statistics. > > The command works in F9. What I'm also curious about is that there are a > lot of statistics in /proc/net/netstat which don't get displayed, e.g the > TCPAbort statistics (TCPAbortOnSyn, TCPAbortOnData, TCPAbortOnClose, etc). > How do I get these displayed? > > Thanks, > Paolo > > I get the same output as yours in my F8 box -not TcpExt statistics. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Mounting of drives
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:54 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > Keep in mind that the labels of the drives are the same - so is the > answer to this problem is to assign UUID or something or is this > controlled strictly via the BIOS? UUID. This is basically what it's for. Can you point me to a link where I can assign UUID to partitions? I have read the man pages and searched the website but cannot find instructions on how to do it. Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 11:04 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > >> You seem to be implying that the GPL is necessary for cooperation. > >> That is just not true. > > > > Agreed. It's just better for everyone involved in the cooperation > > than permissive licenses. > > No it isn't. There is never a down side to permitting additional uses. > They never reduce the possibilities for the original work. > >To understand why, have a look at > > http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/papers/free-software/BMind.pdf > > Your scenarios have nothing to do with real-world possibilities. You > need to permute your license cost chart for all possible recombinations > of code components and note the places where you can't even make an > entry. Imagine if the reference TCP implementation had been GPL'd and > no commercial systems used it because of the restrictive license. We'd > still be struggling to make any two different systems communicate today. > > >> Again, the fact that under certain restricted conditions it may be > >> possible to reuse the code does not eliminate the damage caused by the > >> restrictions that prevent many other uses. > > > > /me refers to the 1-month-ago thread on fedora-devel in which I > > thought it had become clear that GPL didn't impose any such > > restrictions, it was copyright law that did. > > That's equally true and equally irrelevant, for those proprietary > licenses that you don't like, so its not much of an argument, especially > from you. Saying that the GPL is better than a sharp stick in the eye > still doesn't make it a good thing. Rather than say that the GPL "restricts" the ability to engage in certain types of cooperation, we could just say it "disdains to permit" those types of cooperation. Then we can avoid the distracting argument about whether the fault lies with the GPL or copyright law. Clearly, the intent to permit or not permit cooperation lies with the author of the work and is embodied in the terms of the license--in particular, whether the license does or does not explicitly relax the restrictions of copyright law. Copyright law just defines the default condition in case there is no explicit grant of license. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SOLVED: F9 Problem setting resolution and video lockups
Joe Klemmer wrote: Thanks. It reminded me of the days back when you had to manually setup X. It was a [EMAIL PROTECTED] back then, too. i still have all my svr4 on books shelve just look at from time to time and think about how easy it was then, even tho there was a lot of manual setting up. after doing setups 5 or 6 times, it came almost second nature. I stuck in 1280x1024 and 1024x768 manually and, when s-c-display ran, it filled in all the rest. setup progs are getting better. sometimes you just have to lead them down correct path. I've had this one for around 9 or so years (and it was new when I got it). If I can devine where to put the info into bugzilla I'll do so. Just for google I'll put the info here as well. never made a bugzilla report. i figured that if i was told i need to, i could ask how to. i have seen it in previous post but failed to set a bookmark for it. in this case, all i can suggest is what i have in my bookmarks; wiki: Bugs/F8Common http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F8Common sub f9 for f8 may work. also a search of email; https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ i believe you have to setup an account before you can leave a bug. out of curiousness, i logged https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ and entered in 'quick search' 'Daewoo DWE-707B' which came back with 'Zarro Boogs found.' this is straight from page, so i guess someone has a good sense of humor. later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Acknowledge consent before login
Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: I'm searching for a method to display a consent to monitoring statement on either GDM or KDM in Fedora 9. I'm not tied into either display an interesting question, which you may not have found and answer. i do not know how this would work, and maybe some others can make some further suggestions. years back under cromix and early unix, i modified 'passwd' to restrict logins to certain programs. applying this to linux, should/may not be all that different. instead of using '/bin/bash' as startup shell, consider something like '/bin/bash/consent'. 'consent' could then be a script to display consent agreement and prompt for a 'y/n' reply. if $1 = 'y' then startx. if $1 = 'n' then exit. something to think about. hth. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Mounting of drives
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:54 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > Keep in mind that the labels of the drives are the same - so is the > answer to this problem is to assign UUID or something or is this > controlled strictly via the BIOS? UUID. This is basically what it's for. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Installing Ndiswrapper for AWLL6070 (rt2870)
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I have tried the Ralink way to try and get the Airlink-101 (rt2870) built from sources, to setup ra0, configuration and all that and got as far as getting the client to see the Access-points from the neighborhood which was awesome, but failed to set the ESSID in order to connect to my Access point. Giving up at this point, I thought I'd try out the Ndiswrapper method. I was able to follow the instructions from this link: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=29659 and from this link: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,installation/#install_windows_driver and so far it *appears* that the drivers were installed and the wlan0 alias was set up: # ndiswrapper -l rt2870 : driver installed device (14B2:3C27) present # dmesg ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 ndiswrapper: driver rt2870 (Ralink Technology, Corp.,11/16/2007, 1.00.05.) loaded wlan0: ethernet device 00:1d:6a:33:fd:42 using NDIS driver: rt2870, version: 0x0, NDIS version: 0x500, vendor: 'IEEE 802.11n Wireless Card.', 14B2:3C27.F.conf wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP; TKIP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK; AES/CCMP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper # /var/log/messages: Jul 16 08:23:15 bronze kernel: ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: ndiswrapper: driver rt2870 (Ralink Technology, Corp.,11/16/2007, 1.00.05.) loaded Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: wlan0: ethernet device 00:1d:6a:33:fd:42 using NDIS driver: rt2870, version: 0x0, NDIS version: 0x500, vendor: 'IEEE 802.11n Wireless Card.', 14B2:3C27.F.conf Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze netplugd[7927]: wlan0: ignoring event Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP; TKIP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK; AES/CCMP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper Jul 16 08:23:21 bronze netplugd[7927]: No interface name Jul 16 08:23:21 bronze netplugd[7927]: Callback failed What I do not understand is why is netplugd reporting this? So, I added: # vi /etc/netplugd.d/netplug: eth* wlan* then: # service netplugd restart # vi /var/log/messages: === Jul 16 09:09:52 bronze netplugd[7927]: caught signal 15 - exiting Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18477]: /etc/netplug.d/netplug eth0 in -> pid 18477 Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18478]: /etc/netplug.d/netplug wlan0 in -> pid 18478 Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18476]: wlan0: state INNING pid 18478 exited status 256 Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18476]: eth0: state INNING pid 18477 exited status 0 Jul 16 09:09:54 bronze avahi-daemon[9132]: Registering new address record for fe80::21d:6aff:fe33:fd42 on wlan0.*. waited and then saw: Jul 16 09:11:04 bronze netplugd[18476]: No interface name Jul 16 09:11:04 bronze netplugd[18476]: Callback failed Jul 16 09:11:06 bronze ntpd[8519]: Listening on interface #6 wlan0, fe80::21d:6aff:fe33:fd42#123 Enabled Jul 16 09:11:22 bronze netplugd[18476]: No interface name Jul 16 09:11:22 bronze netplugd[18476]: Callback failed So, nothing changed. Continuing, I tried to test the wlan0 connection with: # iwconfig wlan0 Any advice or suggestions? I also wanted to add, that leaving the AWLL6070 (rt2870) driver as obtained from either the Airlink-101 CD or from the Airlink-101 website downloaded causes system instability. In some cases, the system will freeze up completely and on other causes, rebooting fails to allow Gnome to come up, GDM restarts over and over with the gdm display flashing with a black/blue background, failing to start up. Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 17:44:12 Mike Chalmers wrote: > On 7/16/08, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 July 2008 17:08:58 Mike Chalmers wrote: > > > I do not have a video driver installed. I have Googled how to disable > > > desktop effects and haven't found anything really useful. > > > > *Something* helps your video chips to talk to your monitor :-) I wasn't > > referring to proprietary drivers. I'm not on that box at the moment, so > > I can't check which package it was. I'll try to find it among my mail. > > > > > Does anyone know a command that I can use from init 3 to disable > > > desktop effects? > > > > I don't think you ever made it clear whether we are talking about kde or > > gnome, compiz or kde4 desktop effects. > > > > > > Anne > > > > -- > > Thank you for the help Anne. I am talking about KDE 4. The only video > driver I have installed is the one that came with Fedora 9. Ditto. However, just about a week ago a routine update installed xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386. This is the package that is suspected of being the cause of the problem. Do you have that one? Desktop effects - try System Settings > Desktop and uncheck 'Enable desktop effects'. These are not compiz-type effects, but things you can easily live without until things get fixed. HTH Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [SOLVED] Latest kernel update (2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686), locks up and freezes computer.
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: The latest kernel completely locked up, my screen blanked into technicolor random bitmaps, keyboard locked out, no network access in or out. Rebooting back to the previous kernel was ok as I type up this message. I noticed that during the recent update, the computer froze up and rebooted itself, but on the next login, I was able to resume the updates. Minutes later (15-30?), that was when the lock ups started coming in. The lock ups are consistent. So, the question is, how to I test this to ensure that it is not my setup - there is nothing that I can see reported in the logs attesting to such a major lock up. If anyone wants followup to chase this down, let me know in details what to do! Please ignore this message! As it turns out, my Ndiswrapper installation for AWLL6070 caused system instability and once I removed this device software, system stability has returned. Sorry for posting this message. Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
udev problem with Fedora 9
I have a Motorola A1200 cell phone that mounts using usb-storage. The device shows some errors on the device. It would mount anyways under Fedora 8. Under Fedora 9 it will no longer create the /dev/sdb device. Is this a known issue? Is there a way to fix this and make it mount? Is this a kernel issue or a udev issue? (And yes, I need to replace the sim card. I want the stuff off this card first.) Here are the /var/log/messages... usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered. usb-storage: device found at 3 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning usb-storage: device scan complete scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Motorola Phone PQ: 0 ANSI: 4 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 1987584 512-byte hardware sectors (1018 MB) sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 10 00 00 00 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 1987584 512-byte hardware sectors (1018 MB) sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 10 00 00 00 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: No additional sense information end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1987576 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9: Mounting of drives
When one starts with the first drive in the system (no other drives exist), one may get /dev/sda as the first drive in the system. One proceeds by installing all of the F9 software, perform updates, and all of that, everything seems to work well. I note that I have many Sata ports from which I can install this drive on, and it seems that no matter which port (of 7 ports available), the result is always the same - the first drive appears as /dev/sda. When satisfied with the first drive, I decided to add a 2nd raw drive to the system, rebooted, I noted that the 2nd drive became /dev/sda, the first (original) drive became /dev/sdb. Ok, I had to keep this in mind, and proceeded to clone (backup) the first drive (/dev/sdb) to the 2nd drive (/dev/sda) using `dd'. But what follows is interesting. The clone of the drive was interrupted due to a malfunction as I was installing Ndiswrapper for a Wifi device, and the system abruptly rebooted, leaving an incomplete clone, containing all but /, /boot, and swap on the 2nd drive. On reboot, as it happened, /, /boot, and swap was mounted from /dev/sdb but the interesting part is that /App1 which exist on both drives, /dev/sda5 was incomplete but had partial music files and /App1 on /dev/sdb5 had full music files was mounted as follows: /dev/sda5 mounted on /media/App1 (incomplete) /dev/sdb5 mounted on /media/App1_ Of course, I found out why Amarok was complaining that my selected playlist had missing files since it was based on /media/App1 and sure enough that is how I discovered this mounting scheme. So, the question is, why is there such a "flip" to begin with and how does one ensure that the first (original) drive remains intact and not overridden by the 2nd or other drives that were added later on? Keep in mind that the labels of the drives are the same - so is the answer to this problem is to assign UUID or something or is this controlled strictly via the BIOS? Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 LDAP Migration Tools
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 18:46 +0100, John Austin wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:30 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 18:19 +0100, John Austin wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I am just starting to play with LDAP on F9 and > > > many of the Web articles reference things such as > > > /usr/share/openldap/migration/migrate_common.ph > > > > > > I have these migration tools on an F8 install but cannot find how to get > > > them for F9 > > > > > > I must be missing something obvious !! > > > > they've always been packaged with openldap-servers > > > > Craig > > > > Hi Craig > > Many thanks - I have them now - no excuses for not getting LDAP working > now !! let me give you something that worked well for me... output this stuff into 1 or more files. Keep these files so you can dump/reload until you get exactly what you want into LDAP...it takes a few tries at first. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 LDAP Migration Tools
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:30 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 18:19 +0100, John Austin wrote: > > Hi > > > > I am just starting to play with LDAP on F9 and > > many of the Web articles reference things such as > > /usr/share/openldap/migration/migrate_common.ph > > > > I have these migration tools on an F8 install but cannot find how to get > > them for F9 > > > > I must be missing something obvious !! > > they've always been packaged with openldap-servers > > Craig > Hi Craig Many thanks - I have them now - no excuses for not getting LDAP working now !! John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
My first thought too, Anne. But I was too shy to say that. The random pixels clue gave it away... 2008/7/16 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wednesday 16 July 2008 17:08:58 Mike Chalmers wrote: >> I do not have a video driver installed. I have Googled how to disable >> desktop effects and haven't found anything really useful. >> > *Something* helps your video chips to talk to your monitor :-) I wasn't > referring to proprietary drivers. I'm not on that box at the moment, so I > can't check which package it was. I'll try to find it among my mail. > >> Does anyone know a command that I can use from init 3 to disable >> desktop effects? > > I don't think you ever made it clear whether we are talking about kde or > gnome, compiz or kde4 desktop effects. > > Anne > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 LDAP Migration Tools
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 10:30 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 18:19 +0100, John Austin wrote: > > Hi > > > > I am just starting to play with LDAP on F9 and > > many of the Web articles reference things such as > > /usr/share/openldap/migration/migrate_common.ph > > > > I have these migration tools on an F8 install but cannot find how to get > > them for F9 > > > > I must be missing something obvious !! > > they've always been packaged with openldap-servers apparently now in a new package... yum install migrationtools Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 LDAP Migration Tools
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 18:19 +0100, John Austin wrote: > Hi > > I am just starting to play with LDAP on F9 and > many of the Web articles reference things such as > /usr/share/openldap/migration/migrate_common.ph > > I have these migration tools on an F8 install but cannot find how to get > them for F9 > > I must be missing something obvious !! they've always been packaged with openldap-servers Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 01:10:09 pm Paul Smith wrote: > With this one: > > http://tsf.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=964968 Well, with this one indeed it doesn't work. It's not a flash video as the other one was. Here you'll have to use the Flashblock add-on tip that Tim suggested. I just did it now and right-clicked on the blocked-flash and selected "Copy flash location". Then I used wget to grab the file. The problem now is that mplayer won't handle the swf file. MPlayer will only play flv files. You'll need to investigate this... Or you could use Audacity to record "what you are hearing". You'll have to play with your mixer to select the proper input. HTH, Jorge -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9 LDAP Migration Tools
Hi I am just starting to play with LDAP on F9 and many of the Web articles reference things such as /usr/share/openldap/migration/migrate_common.ph I have these migration tools on an F8 install but cannot find how to get them for F9 I must be missing something obvious !! John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Jorge Fábregas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I thank both of you for your suggestions. However, the address of the >> audio stream that I am wanting to record is not visible to me (inside >> flash), and therefore none of your suggestion will work. Any further >> ideas? > > Paul, I gave a solution last week. Did you try it? It worked with the URL you > provided. With this one: http://tsf.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=964968 Jorge? DownloadHelper does not help with this particular site. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 12:08:09 pm Paul Smith wrote: > I thank both of you for your suggestions. However, the address of the > audio stream that I am wanting to record is not visible to me (inside > flash), and therefore none of your suggestion will work. Any further > ideas? Paul, I gave a solution last week. Did you try it? It worked with the URL you provided. -- Jorge -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:08:09 +0100 Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the address of the > audio stream that I am wanting to record is not visible to me (inside > flash), and therefore none of your suggestion will work. Any further > ideas? If you use squid or privoxy (or both, like I do), check their log files and you'll find the address that you're looking for. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
On 7/16/08, Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 16 July 2008 17:08:58 Mike Chalmers wrote: > > I do not have a video driver installed. I have Googled how to disable > > desktop effects and haven't found anything really useful. > > > > *Something* helps your video chips to talk to your monitor :-) I wasn't > referring to proprietary drivers. I'm not on that box at the moment, so I > can't check which package it was. I'll try to find it among my mail. > > > > Does anyone know a command that I can use from init 3 to disable > > desktop effects? > > > I don't think you ever made it clear whether we are talking about kde or > gnome, compiz or kde4 desktop effects. > > > Anne > > -- Thank you for the help Anne. I am talking about KDE 4. The only video driver I have installed is the one that came with Fedora 9. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 17:08:58 Mike Chalmers wrote: > I do not have a video driver installed. I have Googled how to disable > desktop effects and haven't found anything really useful. > *Something* helps your video chips to talk to your monitor :-) I wasn't referring to proprietary drivers. I'm not on that box at the moment, so I can't check which package it was. I'll try to find it among my mail. > Does anyone know a command that I can use from init 3 to disable > desktop effects? I don't think you ever made it clear whether we are talking about kde or gnome, compiz or kde4 desktop effects. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: RhythmBox wants text/html decoder plugin ?? --[SOLVED]
Hi all; On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 11:26 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi Tim and Tim and Others; > > On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 22:53 -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 01:08 -0400, William Case wrote: [snip] However, the following links worked. http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca:80/cbcr1-toronto.ogg http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca:80/cbcr2-toronto.ogg You can go to http://www.cbc.ca/listen/ogg.html to get the Linux download links for FM radio. Make sure you have the Ogg Vorbis libraries installed first. > I got NPR working by being directed to the shoutcast-playlist.pls site. > I futzed about and got it working (not sure EXACTLY what I did) in > Rhythmbox. > > The Listen using the NPR Media Player (requires Adobe Flash) link works, > opening a special window in FireFox but won't play now in Rhythmbox. I > can re-futz if I know I have something like the CBC working. > > Why everything should suddenly quit is beyond me! > I futzed at 'shoutcast-playlist' I downloaded one station and got it working. I expect I can now get the stations I want by more downloading. I didn't notice, but in the last set of upgrades was there an Ogg or related upgrade? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9: Installing Ndiswrapper for AWLL6070 (rt2870)
I have tried the Ralink way to try and get the Airlink-101 (rt2870) built from sources, to setup ra0, configuration and all that and got as far as getting the client to see the Access-points from the neighborhood which was awesome, but failed to set the ESSID in order to connect to my Access point. Giving up at this point, I thought I'd try out the Ndiswrapper method. I was able to follow the instructions from this link: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=29659 and from this link: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,installation/#install_windows_driver and so far it *appears* that the drivers were installed and the wlan0 alias was set up: # ndiswrapper -l rt2870 : driver installed device (14B2:3C27) present # dmesg ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 ndiswrapper: driver rt2870 (Ralink Technology, Corp.,11/16/2007, 1.00.05.) loaded wlan0: ethernet device 00:1d:6a:33:fd:42 using NDIS driver: rt2870, version: 0x0, NDIS version: 0x500, vendor: 'IEEE 802.11n Wireless Card.', 14B2:3C27.F.conf wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP; TKIP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK; AES/CCMP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper # /var/log/messages: Jul 16 08:23:15 bronze kernel: ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: ndiswrapper: driver rt2870 (Ralink Technology, Corp.,11/16/2007, 1.00.05.) loaded Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: wlan0: ethernet device 00:1d:6a:33:fd:42 using NDIS driver: rt2870, version: 0x0, NDIS version: 0x500, vendor: 'IEEE 802.11n Wireless Card.', 14B2:3C27.F.conf Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze netplugd[7927]: wlan0: ignoring event Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP; TKIP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK; AES/CCMP with WPA, WPA2, WPA2PSK Jul 16 08:23:16 bronze kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper Jul 16 08:23:21 bronze netplugd[7927]: No interface name Jul 16 08:23:21 bronze netplugd[7927]: Callback failed What I do not understand is why is netplugd reporting this? So, I added: # vi /etc/netplugd.d/netplug: eth* wlan* then: # service netplugd restart # vi /var/log/messages: === Jul 16 09:09:52 bronze netplugd[7927]: caught signal 15 - exiting Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18477]: /etc/netplug.d/netplug eth0 in -> pid 18477 Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18478]: /etc/netplug.d/netplug wlan0 in -> pid 18478 Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18476]: wlan0: state INNING pid 18478 exited status 256 Jul 16 09:09:53 bronze netplugd[18476]: eth0: state INNING pid 18477 exited status 0 Jul 16 09:09:54 bronze avahi-daemon[9132]: Registering new address record for fe80::21d:6aff:fe33:fd42 on wlan0.*. waited and then saw: Jul 16 09:11:04 bronze netplugd[18476]: No interface name Jul 16 09:11:04 bronze netplugd[18476]: Callback failed Jul 16 09:11:06 bronze ntpd[8519]: Listening on interface #6 wlan0, fe80::21d:6aff:fe33:fd42#123 Enabled Jul 16 09:11:22 bronze netplugd[18476]: No interface name Jul 16 09:11:22 bronze netplugd[18476]: Callback failed So, nothing changed. Continuing, I tried to test the wlan0 connection with: # iwconfig wlan0 Any advice or suggestions? Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
netstat is broken on F8
When I run netstat -s --tcp on all my F8 systems I get: IcmpMsg: InType0: 10 InType3: 145 InType8: 7 InType11: 113 OutType0: 4 OutType3: 2079 OutType8: 40 Tcp: 58457 active connections openings 4915 passive connection openings 5627 failed connection attempts 2863 connection resets received 11 connections established 11566532 segments received 15124519 segments send out 38925 segments retransmited 37 bad segments received. 7018 resets sent UdpLite: error parsing /proc/net/netstat: Success no further information is shown such as the TcpExt statistics. The command works in F9. What I'm also curious about is that there are a lot of statistics in /proc/net/netstat which don't get displayed, e.g the TCPAbort statistics (TCPAbortOnSyn, TCPAbortOnData, TCPAbortOnClose, etc). How do I get these displayed? Thanks, Paolo -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
I do not have a video driver installed. I have Googled how to disable desktop effects and haven't found anything really useful. Does anyone know a command that I can use from init 3 to disable desktop effects? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
2008/7/16 fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >I would like to record an audio stream that is broadcast on the >> >Internet. How can I do that? Any ideas? >> >> I use stream ripper. I don't know if it's still in active development >> or not, but it works just fine for me. I think Amarok and other players >> like that have the capability. > > VLC can record a stream, and so can mplayer. Though the only way I know of > to do it in mplayer is via commandline settings, but that doesn't mean that's > the only way... I thank both of you for your suggestions. However, the address of the audio stream that I am wanting to record is not visible to me (inside flash), and therefore none of your suggestion will work. Any further ideas? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
Alexandre Oliva wrote: You seem to be implying that the GPL is necessary for cooperation. That is just not true. Agreed. It's just better for everyone involved in the cooperation than permissive licenses. No it isn't. There is never a down side to permitting additional uses. They never reduce the possibilities for the original work. To understand why, have a look at http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/papers/free-software/BMind.pdf Your scenarios have nothing to do with real-world possibilities. You need to permute your license cost chart for all possible recombinations of code components and note the places where you can't even make an entry. Imagine if the reference TCP implementation had been GPL'd and no commercial systems used it because of the restrictive license. We'd still be struggling to make any two different systems communicate today. Again, the fact that under certain restricted conditions it may be possible to reuse the code does not eliminate the damage caused by the restrictions that prevent many other uses. /me refers to the 1-month-ago thread on fedora-devel in which I thought it had become clear that GPL didn't impose any such restrictions, it was copyright law that did. That's equally true and equally irrelevant, for those proprietary licenses that you don't like, so its not much of an argument, especially from you. Saying that the GPL is better than a sharp stick in the eye still doesn't make it a good thing. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: xp/2003 explorer freezes browsing shares on Samba 3.2 ipv6 hosts
Thread continues on Samba mailing list. Pim -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: duplex printing, hp, fedora 8....
I'm curious, Kevin. Does this happen with a lot of docs, or just some? I'm wondering whether the brochure print mode is (for that matter, whether it can be) embedded in the doc. Anne AAH HAH!!! Good catch! I just printed from another Adobe document and, lo and behold, it worked as planned. It appears to be the way that the pdf in question is setup for the reading order. So it looks like it's not a printing problem but a problem with the way the PDF was made. Dang, all this time wasted on some stupid formatting issue. Thanks for the help. Kevin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Why installer don't detect all disks ?
Hello, I have a PC with three disks and want to install Fedora on a specific disk / partition. /dev/sda --> Debian (existing) /dev/sdb --> LVM used by Debian (existing) /dev/sdc --> for Fedora-9 (new) However Fedora installer detect only one disk. So I used Knoppix to prepare a disk + partition for Fedora on /dev/sdc (to ease the job for the Fedora installer who looks lost with my disk detection...) however Fedora continues to detect only one disk (and no the one I intented to use for Fedora..) Why Fedora installer cannot detect all the physical disks (all other distros or tools like gparted via Knoppix detect them correctly) ? I tried Custom layout but got same uncomplete result. How to install Fedora without the default installer + druid ? thanks for any clue Bye, Bruno -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Installer and disk druid
On Sunday 13 July 2008 18:37:08 Bruno Costacurta wrote: > On Sunday 13 July 2008 16:14:36 Timothy Murphy wrote: > > Bruno Costacurta wrote: > > > my PC has three disks. > > > Two of them where previously configured as RAID1+LVM but this > > > configuration was removed since : using fdisk I created other > > > partitions and already installed other distros like Debian and Gentoo > > > (via a single /boot partition shared by all distros via GRUB loader). > > > > > > -- my problem : > > > I'm trying to install Fedora-9 on a specific partition but the Fedora > > > installer (and disk druid) continues to see previous RAID1+LVM and not > > > the specific disks !?! > > > > > > -- my questions : > > > Where does Fedora grab its partition tables ? > > > How to modify / correct partitions if fdisk is not enough for Fedora ? > > > > Why not use the "Custom layout" option? > > That allows you to partition as you please, I think. > > > > Personally, I am not fond of Disk Druid, to put it mildly. > > I always use Knoppix, or something like that, > > to partition as I want, not as some wizard thinks is best for me. > > Then I use Custom Layout when installing Fedora. > > > > Also, I used to be a fan of LVM, but it caused chaos > > on a couple of occasions, so I have abandoned it. > > I wonder if that has happened to many Fedora users? > > I tried the 'Custom layout' option but it did not work at all as it shows > only the first disk (called /dev/sda) of my three disks. > With default option, the installer also shows a previous Linux > device-mapper (with RAID1+LVM based on /dev/sdb + /dev/sdc ) but this was > removed since then via other distros and related installation. > > (Note: I removed the device-mapper using fdisk : is this correct ? Or is > there another way to remove a Linux device-mapper ?) > > My problem is I cannot install Fedora on /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc because > simply its installer cannot see them !?! > > Is there another way to install Fedora ? Meaning without default installer > and related Druid ? (I agree with Timothy as I do not like Druid neither) > > Bye, > Bruno Finally, I was able to install Fedora-9 from a hard drive on which I previously downloaded the .iso file after booting from another distro. (more details on the Feodra doc about installation from hard drive) What I cannot understand it's the same disk that Druid cannot detect via the installer from CD/DVD (whatever option I choose like 'Custom layout') but only show it as some device_mapper_RAID that cannot be read ...!?! Bye, Bruno -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 and Flash
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Tomasz Torcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dnia 2008-07-16, śro o godzinie 09:56 -0400, Sieranski, Greg pisze: >> I have a thinkpad t60p and I installed the flash-plugin using yum. The >> video plays fine but I am not able to hear any sound. Has anyone had >> this problem or know why this might be happening? > > This might be happening because you didn't read the documentation, > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-Enabling-Flash-Plugin > What on that page would resolve this issue? I'd recommend the following links instead next time: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F9Common#No_Sound_with_Adobe_Flash https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Desktop#Enabling_Flash_Plugin -Mauriat -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Alexandre Oliva wrote: It was GNU. GNU, as a system, pre-dates Linux. As a system of what? An operating system, whose kernel was still under development. And, like every other component of the GNU Operating System, still is. With respect to the quality of the components that are more or less completed, as a working system GNU might as well stand for "GNU's not usable" - without someone else's kernel anyway. GNU was not built on top of Linux. Linux was eventually able to run GNU. GNU what? GNU Operating System. That stuff you could get from prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu long before there were such things as ftp:// URIs. I don't think anyone ever objected to that being called GNU. The objection is to the demand that the name be tacked on to other distributions. As I recall, the GPL explicitly prohibits such demands being attached to code and won't even permit covered code to be linked with code formally containing such requirements so it seems in rather poor taste to make them even informally. I was more interested in running apache and sendmail at the time and didn't care if it was bsd, linux, or unix underneath. Apache?!? You're not going far back enough. Apache is younger that Linux, IIRC. Certainly much younger than GNU. Apache wasn't the original name. The code was developed as NSCA httpd and I'd argue that the subsequent branches of that work and its companion clients have had more to do with people wanting to run computers - and any OS - than any other single thing. Before that, computer science was a pretty boring field without much appeal to ordinary people. And I'd also argue that if it, or the initial underlying TCP implementation that it needed had been GNU/GPL with the associated restrictions, much of the subsequent development that we enjoy today would never have happened. sendmail, yeah, I'm pretty sure the GNU Project decided to not implement its own MTA back in mid 1980's because sendmail was Free Software, and so the other pieces were designed to just use it. Sendmail does go back even further, perhaps to the days when there were dozens of computers on the internet - but without something more interesting along with the ability to reuse the code it might have stayed that way. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Recording Internet audio stream
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:47:59AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote: > Paul Smith wrote: > >Dear All, > > > >I would like to record an audio stream that is broadcast on the > >Internet. How can I do that? Any ideas? > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Paul > > > > I use stream ripper. I don't know if it's still in active development > or not, but it works just fine for me. I think Amarok and other players > like that have the capability. > VLC can record a stream, and so can mplayer. Though the only way I know of to do it in mplayer is via commandline settings, but that doesn't mean that's the only way... -- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The Lord is like a strong tower. Those who do what is right can run to him for safety. --- Proverbs 18:10 (niv) - pgprfP1FGXUDR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setroub;eshoot problem
max <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve wrote: > > max bianco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I went to start setroubleshoot, Applications->System Tools->SE Linux > >>> Troubleshooter and I get this message: > >>> > >>> connection failed at /var/run/setroubleshoot/setroubleshoo_tserver. > >>> Connection refused > >>> > >>> #ls -lZ /var/run/setroubleshoot/setroubleshoot_server > >>> srw-rw-rw- root root system_u:object_r:setroubleshoot_var_run_t > >>> /var/run/setroubleshoot/setroubleshoot_server > >>> > >> That looks right. Is it F8 or F9? > > > > Found some more interesting AVC messages in /var/log/dmesg, This doesn't > > mean anything to me. Where is the best place to go to get a little more > > educated about what all this is supposed to mean? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > That depends on what you already know about SELinux. I can't even spell it correctly selinux or SElinux or Selinux or... ;-D > I have found alot of material but its never enough for me:^) > This is as good a place to start as any(probably better than most): > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux Thanks, I'll check it out. > > Depending on how deep you want to get you might look up the Flask > Security Architecture. There is a PDF available, its not very long but > its informative. There are also a few SELinux specific papers out there. > I am reading SELinux by Example, it seems very complete so far and > actually references some of the available papers throughout. As for the > errors below I am assuming this is the first time you've seen them since > you just installed policy. It's the 1st time I've looked for any problem so I can't say if they were there before or not. > Did you uninstall the policy at some point? No. > Has the machine always, from day of install, been in permissive? Yes. > Was this a fresh install or an upgrade? This was an upgrade from F8 using preinstall. I have had all kinds of problems since the upgrade and I'm just now getting to look at the SElinux problems. IIRC, the default policy was permissive in F8. > Are there any AVC's or error messages, related to SELinux, in the logs from > before policy was installed? Yes, but I'm on the Windows side of my dual boot machine right now so I'll have to post those later. Steve. > > > ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: RhythmBox wants text/html decoder plugin ??
Hi Tim and Tim and Others; On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 22:53 -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 01:08 -0400, William Case wrote: > > Hi Tim; > > > > What is really annoying is that I had both working for a week. Then, > > today after some upgrades (I am not sure there is a connection) I went > > to use Rhythmbox and I started getting text/html decoder plugin > > warning. > > Bill, > > I can successfully play the audio stream you are wanting by using > http://www.cbc.ca/livemedia/cbcr1-ottawa.asx as the URL instead of the > one you listed above. I did it by looking at the source of the webpage > (to my knowledge, rhythmbox has never been able to parse and extract a > stream from HTML...how would it know what stream if there were more than > one?) and creating a new "Internet Radio Station". Also, since it is a > windows media stream, you'll need gstreamer-plugins-bad and/or > gstreamer-plugins-ugly (I'm not sure which one specifically, I always > install both). I assume you know how/where to get that... I have the good, bad and ugly installed (with dependencies)-- still no go. Tried http://www.cbc.ca/livemedia/cbcr1-ottawa.asx -- no go. I am now getting the warning "requires plugin: Windows Media Audio 8 decoder". What is really frustrating is when I originally opened Rhythmbox there were a list of FM stations available -- including the CBC. Therefore, somehow, the CBC FM stations are playable on Linux and through Rhythmbox without additional downloads. I have been listening to CBC1 and CBC2 for over a week. I deleted the entire original play list by mistake and am unable to retrieve it. I just wanted the CBC from that list anyways. I got NPR working by being directed to the shoutcast-playlist.pls site. I futzed about and got it working (not sure EXACTLY what I did) in Rhythmbox. The Listen using the NPR Media Player (requires Adobe Flash) link works, opening a special window in FireFox but won't play now in Rhythmbox. I can re-futz if I know I have something like the CBC working. Why everything should suddenly quit is beyond me! -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
