Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Come on folks, what do you say? Is anyone willing to co-found a non-profit > organization with me for this cause? I apel on your morality, ethics and a > feeling on what is the Right Thing here. Just use your quantum intentionality and none of this happened! While you're at it, would you also add trolley cars to your intentionality so gas could be cheap again?? You physicists can do it! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:15 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list > or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have > couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball > rolling? Start a new list for something different, don't re-purpose an existing list. i.e. Keep fedora-list as it always was (a general user support list), and create some other chit-chat / advocacy lists for those who want to continue an off-topic chat. Though, having said that. There's already plenty of other places that people can have their off-topics and rampant advocacy evangelising. Some of them have their very own websites. They could all piss off, over there, right now. But they won't, because they won't to romp in and change everyone else's opinion to their own. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Misunderstanding GPL's terms and conditions as restrictions
On Jul 29, 2008, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, RSAREF couldn't have been modified. It had restricted > distribution and everyone had to get their own copy. http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_thread/thread/ecc4d4ff360019e/b3dbb6f89144b706?lnk=st&q=gnu.misc.discuss+ripem#b3dbb6f89144b706 http://www.nic.funet.fi/index/crypt/cryptography/rpem/ripem/ http://www.nic.funet.fi/index/crypt/cryptography/rpem/ripem/README http://www.nic.funet.fi/index/crypt/cryptography/rpem/ripem/rsaref/ There is indeed a lot of conflicting information out there, and the files above are older than the discussion, but the point stands that some piece of software could only be distributed under the GPL, and by people who had accepted a patent license that prevented them from doing just that, regardless of any copyright license incompatibilities. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 9
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Max Kanat-Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi there Fedora land! The Unofficial Fedora FAQ has been > updated for Fedora 9! > >http://www.fedorafaq.org/ > >For this update, I reviewed and revised almost every single > question in the FAQ to be up-to-date and even simpler than before. Of > course the new FAQ contains an updated yum configuration, and also > working Java plugin instructions, but it also has a whole bunch of > other small improvements! > >The Fedora 8 FAQ is still available at: > >http://www.fedorafaq.org/f8/ > >In other news, I'd really like somebody who's willing to help > me answer incoming email for the FAQ. I really like being able to get > back to everybody who emails me, but I do a lot of different things, > and having somebody else who could handle that email would be great. > Eventually this would probably evolve into helping me edit and update > the FAQ. If you're interested, send me a mail with the subject "FAQ > Assistance". > >The guidelines for contributing to the FAQ are here: > >http://www.fedorafaq.org/contribute/ > >As always, translations are welcome! If you would like to > translate the FAQ, send me an email with "FAQ Translation" in the > subject line and tell me what language you'd like to translate it to. > >I hope that you all enjoy this update of the FedoraFAQ, and my > thanks to everybody in the Fedora community who keep on making each > release so much better than the last. :-) > >-Max Max: Thanks for the update. It looks really clean and has great information. One minor typo that I spotted on Q. 7's answer: "Modern version of Linux use a cool new type" should be "Modern versions" Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: change default language (localization)
David Hláčik wrote: Hello all, i have installed Fedora 9 with default english language. Now i want to switch to "Czech Language". How can i do that : To have Czech as the default language you can simply edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n to change it to cs_CZ.UTF-8. The GUI for both KDE and GNOME would be then switched after a reboot. Is that what you are after? Ed 1) I want to have same packages like if i have choosed Czech Language during install 2) also i have problem with Firefox and setting fonts for "Czech - cs_CZ language" . No one from list of font groups - even central european does not change fonts on Czech sites. Thanks in advance! David -- Humor in the Court: Q: What is your relationship with the plaintiff? A: She is my daughter. Q: Was she your daughter on February 13, 1979? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Jul 29, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you ever come to the US close to the border with Mexico, I went to San Diego some 9 years ago, to speak at a Usenix conference. Is that the location you're speaking of? > I would invite to a couple of beers :) I'd pass the beer, but I'd enjoy the company :-) Thanks, > I might seem like a bad person, because I question many things. Questioning is actually a good trait, but some people indeed mistake that for a bad one. > Many people do not like me because they say that I am a rebel > without a cause. They must have some hidden reason to put such a label on you :-) > I am sorry but I happen to like the Linux name very much. At school > they call me the Linux Man/Linux Dude. Hey, people do that to me, too. I promptly correct that, and if I get a blank stare, I know I have work to do :-) > IT will be very hard to convince them to call me GNU/Linux man. You could try, but even if you don't succeed, it would be very important that *you* used it, because you're a role model to them. > I believe Les has a very strong point when he wrote: >> GNU is a radical political movement. Putting the name next to >> Linux makes it seem as though Linus himself endorses the movement. >> But that's rather dishonest, given that Linus has always stayed >> away from such political zealotry. > So I added a +1) and sent it in. So it would be dishonest to retain the name of the system that Linus chose to use along with his kernel because of imaginary concerns that he himself waved away when he said he didn't care if it was called GNU/Linux, but it's honest to rename it to something that makes it harder for the software to achieve its goal, and denies credit to its authors while at that? Double standards? If Linus was concerned about having the GNU name next to Linux, he wouldn't have oked the name. If he was concerned about distancing himself from GNU, he might as well have kept a distance from all that GNU software. That argument doesn't hold even ice, let alone water :-) > Similarly I agree with many things from the FSF, I do believe in the > ideas that software be free and made available to all. What I do > not believe is in the approach that they take. I also do not agree > to certain things about the Free and Open Source licenses. We can get back to that one or two months from now :-) Please Cc: me explicitly when you want to start talking about these.a > It creates a great deal of confusion that many users on this list > and creators of softwares are not excited about dealing with the > FSF. The confusion is created mostly by spreaders of FUD. The best way to deal with it is to educate people as to the facts, which ends up exposing and denouncing the FUD. > But you have opened my eyes in some ways. While I do not agree with > you 100% of the way, I have learned many things that I did not know > before :) Good. (part of the) mission accomplished :-) Best, -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy
On Jul 29, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > What is wrong with the Fedora kernel? >> It contains non-Free Software. > Is it not released under the GPL, which ensures that the software > that is being released is free? Unfortunately, no. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450492 See all that stuff in the kernel-firmware package in rawhide? Only three of those files are Free Software. All the rest is blatantly non-Free, some of which because the license does not permit modification, all of which because source code is missing, even though some of those files are under the GPL, so distributing them without source is not permitted. And they still haven't moved all of the non-Free stuff into that package, so the license tag of the kernel packages is still wrong in rawhide. And maintainers of some of the drivers that contain this non-Free Software refuse to let it move out, because it would be too inconvenient. And the move is being pushed as a means to enable even more non-Free Software to be added, either directly into the kernel "source" tarball, or as external dependencies. Great stuff, huh? > Again, Doesn't the GPL umbrella protect users from this kind of behavior? It's supposed to, and it takes only one copyright holder to enforce the terms of the GPL against infringers. But it's a situation in which nobody would risk throwing the first rock. Picture one of those movie scenes in which people are pointing guns at each other's heads :-) > If this same GPL that is such veneered and loved by the FSF and > others and it cannot protect its users, then its useless :( The license can't protect the users, it's just a tool that copyright holders can use to do that if they feel inclined to do so. Many Linux leaders unfortunately don't care about protecting users, so they tolerate this stuff, and even come up with legal excuses to try to defend this abomination. > I see where you are coming from, but by looking at the things a > little better, I would be shortchanged if I ran your kernel-libre, > from the sites that you did not mention by the way I thought I'd mentioned it here already, but maybe it was on fedora-devel only. Anyhow... What do you think you'd miss? > I can see the connection, but I do not believe that those kernels > there support all the drivers and modules that are not free > according to your specifiations. The purpose of kernel-libre is precisely to remove the non-Free Software, so you're right, a couple of dozen rare modules that can't be used in freedom become non-functional and are thus removed from kernel-libre. Give it a try when you get a chance and let me know how it goes. You don't have to believe me any more than you'd believe the anti-freedom FUD spreaders. You can see for yourself. > If I ask you to build a true GNU/Linux based on Fedora, you have it > and it is called BLAG. *And* BLAG can actually distribute a lot of the Free Software that Fedora prefers to steer clear from. *And* BLAG gives equal mention to Linux And GNU. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Entering Interactive startup
Hi If I remember right, just after the boot, there is a message "Press 'I' for interactive startup", or something similar to this. Regards Marcelo Dave Burns wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: why would you want an interactive startup? you can enable and disable services once you get in! a) service conflict causes machine to crash b) service conflict requires me to wait 5 minutes for something to time out. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: change default language (localization)
* Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 09:52]: > David Hláčik wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> i have installed Fedora 9 with default english language. Now i want to >> switch to "Czech Language". >> >> How can i do that : > > To have Czech as the default language you can simply edit > /etc/sysconfig/i18n to change it to cs_CZ.UTF-8. The GUI for both KDE > and GNOME would be then switched after a reboot. Is that what you are > after? He also wants the language packages required for this. system-config-language appears to provide a facility to do this (i.e. it tells me it's talking to yum to download the right packages) but I've not yet been able to verify it does the right thing. I'm still testing to see if this is the way to go. /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: change default language (localization)
Anders Karlsson wrote: * Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 09:52]: David Hláčik wrote: Hello all, i have installed Fedora 9 with default english language. Now i want to switch to "Czech Language". How can i do that : To have Czech as the default language you can simply edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n to change it to cs_CZ.UTF-8. The GUI for both KDE and GNOME would be then switched after a reboot. Is that what you are after? He also wants the language packages required for this. system-config-language appears to provide a facility to do this (i.e. it tells me it's talking to yum to download the right packages) but I've not yet been able to verify it does the right thing. I'm still testing to see if this is the way to go. That's good that you're doing that. I just realized that was the second half of his question and I just was about to check it out since I realized I didn't know how to do it in F9. :-( I tend to enable all languages at install. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: change default language (localization)
* Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 10:48]: > Anders Karlsson wrote: >> * Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 09:52]: >>> David Hláčik wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> i have installed Fedora 9 with default english language. Now i want >>>> to switch to "Czech Language". >>>> >>>> How can i do that : >>> To have Czech as the default language you can simply edit >>> /etc/sysconfig/i18n to change it to cs_CZ.UTF-8. The GUI for both >>> KDE and GNOME would be then switched after a reboot. Is that what >>> you are after? >> >> He also wants the language packages required for >> this. system-config-language appears to provide a facility to do this >> (i.e. it tells me it's talking to yum to download the right packages) >> but I've not yet been able to verify it does the right thing. >> >> I'm still testing to see if this is the way to go. > > That's good that you're doing that. I just realized that was the second > half of his question and I just was about to check it out since I > realized I didn't know how to do it in F9. :-( I tend to enable all > languages at install. Thanks. I'm not the devil in disguise as some would like to make me out to be. system-config-language is the way to go, and you can then pick your language from the GDM screen. It does not install the language packs for Open Office, KDE or some of the other bits however, so that becomes a manual step as far as I can see. I've flipped my system over in to swedish just to test this, and all of Gnome plays ball anyway. :) /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy
> *And* BLAG can actually distribute a lot of the Free Software that > Fedora prefers to steer clear from. *And* BLAG gives equal mention to > Linux And GNU. So why don't you set up blag-list somewhere ? I don't see ubuntu people trolling this list, so why should you be doing so ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
> And my opinion of Red Hat is shit now, since they have a > representative like Alexandre fronting for them. Red Hat doesn't. Alexandra just persists in abusing his redhat.com address to advertise his own BLAG distribution in the wrong place. He has been asked not to do that, and I imagine stronger persuasion to take up such things using his personal email elsewhere will occur if he doesn't. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
> I used to be ambivalent about the "Free Software" folks vs. the "Open > Source" folks. I'd like to congratulate Alexandre for fucking that > ambivalence. I now understand why the "Free Software" folks get > laughed at so hard, so often. I'll make one other comment here. Most 'Free Software' people I know (and I count myself as one) share your view of GNU/Alexandre and wish quite frankly he was a microsoft fanboy instead as he'd do more good for Free and Open Source software that way. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Monday 28 July 2008 19:06, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Hey, how about me starting a quest here? :-) > > > > When you say "information" above, you actually > > mean "classical information", > > as opposed to quantum information, which does not possess > > the property of > > copying (this famous property is called the no-cloning > > theorem). > > quantum as opposed to classical, I do not see what is the connection? Ok, the theorem states that quantum information cannot be cloned (ie. copied) as the classical one can. This in the sense that if you try to make an identical copy of some quantum information, you destroy the original in the process. Some people tend to describe this as "quantum teleportation" of information --- it dissapears here, it appears there. Now, in the part that I quoted, Gordon Messmer was talking about copying information. I started nitpicking (quite unjustifiedly), and emphasized that he should be talking about information of classical type, not information in general (as this would incorrectly include the quantum case). While technically correct, this comment of mine was just nitpicking beyond any sanity. In the following paragraphs of that post, I used it to draw a silent parallel to the whole Linux vs GNU/Linux discussion. // Don't worry, I believe that 99.99% of people on this planet know absolutely nothing about quantum information --- and of course I was not serious about trying to educate anyone on this, nor to start a QSJ (Quest for Social Justice) or a thread regarding it. // But really, was it really neccessary to include tags at the beginning and the end of my post? I thought it would be obvious... ;-) > I do not see how not using GNU/Linux is a social injustice. I disagree. Neither do I, but Alexandre is talking about it in a number of posts. I just wanted to tag along and define a YASI (Yet Another Social Injustice) by turning attention to classical vs. quantum information. ;-) And then "try" to engage in a completely analogous discussion that has been here in this thread so far. The point was to show how stupid such quests are in general, and the "GNU/Linux" one in particular. ;-) > Can your thread far exceed this one? I will not dare you to do it, but I > think it is not needed. If you decide to create it, may people might > ignore it and/or *block it*. This does not help either cause. Precisely! Tell that to Alexandre and other pro-GNU vocals. That is actually my very point. Btw, if you (or anyone) try hard enough to disprove my "quest" for changing the word "information" into "classical/information" everywhere it appears, I guarantee that together we can make a thread big beyond any imagination. :-) It's simple --- I say that the switch to "classical/information" should be made, because it is social injustice not to; than you reply that it should not be; then I reply that it should, and present some arguments, quote some papers etc.; then you disagree, and present counter-arguments; but I am tough opponent, and I disprove your arguments, and present new ones; but you are also tough and you invent new arguments --- and so on, I believe you get the picture... ;-) We could easily aim to get into the Guinnes Book of Records for the insanely high number of posts arguing that way. :-) > > P.S. I certainly hope that everyone gets the true point of > > this post, because otherwise... ;-) You missed to see this disclaimer, really? ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Do I get a copy of my mail to fedora-list?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 09:19 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 13:48 +1000, Simon Slater wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 18:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > I set up a Search Folder in Evolution to > > > show my posts in context with the rest of the thread. Works fine. > > > > > Could you elaborate on that? > > It's nothing magical. Mail clients that support search folders (what > used to be called virtual folders in Evo) allow you to define search > criteria for the messages to include. What I do is define a "Fedora" > search folder with the criteria: > > Recipients - contains - fedora-list@redhat.com > OR > Mailing list - is - fedora-list@redhat.com > PLUS > * Search Folder Sources: "Specific folders": > imap:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:993[Gmail]/Sent Mail > imap:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:993/Fedora > > Obviously some of this depends on my own Gmail setup, since I use Gmail > to receive this list and have a Gmail filter to label the traffic as > "Fedora". The folder definitions are just the result of selecting the > appropriate (real) folders using the Add button. > > Several things here could probably be changed, e.g. use the Mailing List > criterion instead of Recipients, include threads (I don't because I > don't think it matters in this case) and maybe other stuff, such as "not > the thread about GNU/Linux :-) > > I'm sure something similar could be done in Thunderbird. > > poc > Thanks. What I've used in Evo Search folders is fairly basic so far. Now I want to explore some more of Evo's features to make things easier. This will help. -- Regards, Simon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: updating my "getting started with QEMU under fedora" howto
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Axel Thimm wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:06:24PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i was going to take what i thought was a couple minutes and update > > my writeup on QEMU under fedora: > > > > http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/QEMU > > > > for fedora 9 but, apparently, it's not going to be a simple s/8/9/g. > > > > there doesn't appear to be a (livna) kqemu-kmdl package anymore; > > instead, it's kmod-kqemu. then there's this akmod-kqemu package there > > as well, which i've never seen before. > > > > i'm sure it won't take long to sort out the new packages, but if > > this has already been written up somewhere for f9, i'd be fine with > > that. otherwise, i'll do it myself. > > The URL above uses ATrpms' kmdl packages for Fedora 8 and indeed the > recipe for Fedora 9 would be s/8/9/g. ah, i had completely forgotten that those were ATrpms packages, axel. i'll review and decide which packages to use for the rewrite. thanks. rday p.s. refresh my memory, axel, if you would -- are your AT packages compatible with livna packages? would there be any difference in which qemu packages i used that aren't available in the stock fedora repo? -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: stop kernel messages from splashing on the console
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 09:54:21AM +0100, Christopher Mocock wrote: > Vikram Goyal wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am getting these kernel messages on the consoles which I want to avoid >> as many times I have to login through them as the system runs in level >> 3. >> >> I have edited the /etc/syslog.conf as: > > I believe the relevant config file is now /etc/rsyslog.conf although I > don't know why /etc/syslog.conf still exists. Might be worth a try. > > Regards, > Sorry I forgot to mention. The system is RHEL5. Thanks! -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: updating my "getting started with QEMU under fedora" howto
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 06:11:42AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Axel Thimm wrote: > p.s. refresh my memory, axel, if you would -- are your AT packages > compatible with livna packages? It often depends on the livna packager. Suffice it to say that I've been a mirror for livna for several years now, so actually my intentions were to be compatible. But there are many cases were this didn't happen. > would there be any difference in which qemu packages i used that > aren't available in the stock fedora repo? The packages at ATrpms are not conflicting with the stock repo or replacing anything. They are "just" accelerating qemu. E.g. you will need the Fedora stock qemu to get started anyway, and you can (optionally) add kqemu kmdls to speed it up. http://bellard.org/qemu/kqemu-tech.html -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgpWCnipKg4Rl.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing
2008/7/25 Todd Zullinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Craig White wrote: >> how can I enable fedora-testing and get these AND ONLY these packages? > > Perhaps something like this would work? > > yum --enablerepo updates-testing groupupdate 'KDE (K Desktop Environment)' Is there a place we can find all the groups that Fedoras rpm has? -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: stop kernel messages from splashing on the console
* Vikram Goyal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 12:21]: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 09:54:21AM +0100, Christopher Mocock wrote: > > Vikram Goyal wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am getting these kernel messages on the consoles which I want to avoid > >> as many times I have to login through them as the system runs in level > >> 3. > >> > >> I have edited the /etc/syslog.conf as: > > > > I believe the relevant config file is now /etc/rsyslog.conf although I > > don't know why /etc/syslog.conf still exists. Might be worth a try. > > > > Regards, > > > Sorry I forgot to mention. The system is RHEL5. Which update, and are you using the syslog package, or rsyslog? If you're still running sysklogd, have a look at "man 8 klogd" and /etc/sysconfig/syslog. You can twiddle klogd with the '-c' flag. With rsyslog, it's "man 8 rklogd" and /etc/sysconfig/rsyslog HTH, /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
firefox ignores fonts for Central European Sites? (Czech, Slovak)
Hello, i am facing problem with fonts under Firefox. So far 1) If i change default fonts in Fonts for "Western" it works great ... example : http://www.cnn.com/ 2) If i change default fonts in Fonts for "Central European" it does not work at all ... example : www.seznam.cz , www.idnes.cz - and yes, i have checkbox to "allow sites to select their own fonts" disable I noticed in step 2) That firefox will use for Czech Languages, fonts set for system - in gnome - look and feel - apperace : fonts " Application " So it is not possible at all to change fonts for Central European = Czech Language for me? Thanks in advance! David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: > >>> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080728 21:48]: > On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>> > > Would this help make things better? > > In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support > for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. > >>> > >>> I'm sure we could manage that. :) > >>> > >>> /Anders > >> > >> I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. > > > > For some of us it is an excellent idea > > Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it > relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to > separate their posts among the newly created lists. > Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 07:54 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: > Is there a place we can find all the groups that Fedoras rpm has? Do you mean "yum grouplist"? If so, you might also want to try: yum grouplist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 9
Hi, thank you for your great effort. Please correct this entry: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#ntfs ntfs is now supported "out of the box" and automatically mounted in /media. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 9
Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, thank you for your great effort. Please correct this entry: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#ntfs ntfs is now supported "out of the box" and automatically mounted in /media. Cheers, Valent. Did you consider letting the author of that FAQ know about that needed change instead of this list? http://www.fedorafaq.org/contribute/ -- Stephen Berg Systems Administrator NRL Code: 7321 Office: 228-688-5738 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: firefox ignores fonts for Central European Sites? (Czech, Slovak)
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 13:14 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: > i am facing problem with fonts under Firefox. > > So far > 1) If i change default fonts in Fonts for "Western" it works > great ... example : http://www.cnn.com/ > 2) If i change default fonts in Fonts for "Central European" it does > not work at all ... example : www.seznam.cz , www.idnes.cz - and yes, > i have checkbox to "allow sites to select their own fonts" disable http://www.seznam.cz/ uses UTF-8 http://www.idnes.cz/ says it's windows-1250 in the homepage's HTML, and manual prodding about agrees, but my Firefox thinks that it's UTF-8. lynx --head http://www.idnes.cz/ shows me that the HTTP headers don't say anything about the encoding. So I don't know where Firefox is getting it's UTF-8 idea from. Firefox should let you pick fonts to be used for different regions, if the page uses encodings that those regions use. But for UTF-8 encoded text, you can think of that as world-wide, or non-regional. Though Firefox seems to be a law unto itself as to how it deals with fonts. I changed the central european fonts, but not western, and just about everything changed. I could guess that Firefox also looks at country top-level-domain codes in its font guessing, too. > I noticed in step 2) That firefox will use for Czech Languages, fonts > set for system - in gnome - look and feel - apperace : fonts " > Application " > I notice that will change some fonts Firefox uses, but not all. Even though I, too, had set Firefox not to use fonts as set by the webpages. > So it is not possible at all to change fonts for Central European = > Czech Language for me? > Are you picking a font that can be used for your language? NB: I can't read Czech, so I'm just going by appearances and obvious errors in page rendering. I am quite familiar with webpage authoring, serving, and character encoding issues to do with it, and regularly find Firefox behaves oddly. Be careful about picking sans-serif fonts to use as the sans font, and vice versa. Firefox can be even more odd if you try to go against it's ideas of what types of fonts it should use. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: eeedora 2.0 ?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by >> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it >> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). >> >> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a >> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a >> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using >> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their >> Asus eees? >> >> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ >> [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora >> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile >> > > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about > finished. Things are working almost perfectly. > > I have it working as a LiveCD right now. > > Check out the latest ks file --> > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks > > Cheers, > > Clint > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > Great script! -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: eeedora 2.0 ?
What if we are interested in Eeedora? I am interested in contributing to Eeedora. what are the fields in which I can contribute. Please reply with sufficient links. adios KSH SHRM People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care... On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Valent Turkovic > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> are there anybody interested in working on Eeedora? As I can see by > >> eeedora page (custom Fedora version for Asus eee) [1] it looks like it > >> is dead in the water (please corect me if I'm wrong). > >> > >> I would put al of my talents to work on this project but I'm not a > >> coder so please point me in the right direction. I see Ubuntu doing a > >> much [2] more so I'm wandering it there is not engough Fedorans using > >> Asus eeePC or are they just happy with Xandros or Ubuntu [2] on their > >> Asus eees? > >> > >> [1] http://eeedora.complexvalues.com/ > >> [1b] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:eeedora > >> [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile > >> > > > > I've been working on a kickstart for the EEEPC, I'm just about > > finished. Things are working almost perfectly. > > > > I have it working as a LiveCD right now. > > > > Check out the latest ks file --> > http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/f9eeepc.ks > > > > Cheers, > > > > Clint > > > > -- > > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > > > > Great script! > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing
2008/7/29 Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 07:54 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: >> Is there a place we can find all the groups that Fedoras rpm has? > > Do you mean "yum grouplist"? > > If so, you might also want to try: yum grouplist How lazy of me. :-( Thanks. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Mike Chambers wrote: Hi all, Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? i really do not see any advantage in changing way list are now. what would be nice is to run a converter that will change all 'text/html' and 'base 64' emails to 'text/plain'. give consideration to subscribers who are on pots and limited disk storage. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 07:18:26 am Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: >>> snip > > Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it > > relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to > > separate their posts among the newly created lists. > > Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply > > Anne Given the events of the past 17 days, I'd think that a proctologist would be a better choice. -- cmg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 cant automount usb drives
Vassilios Kotoulas wrote: hi, after upgrading from f7 to f9 I cant automount my usb disk. I use gnome, hal is running and when I switch the disk on I see the usual syslog entries. I can also see the drive with fdisk -l. I configurated the authorizations to my user is allowed to mount drives. I can mount the drive as root from command line. selinux is set to permissive. what did I forget? I just have the same problem: "none" of my usb sticks will mount automatically on Fedora 9, but they will on fedora 7 and 8! Now I found out that Dolphin (Applications Menu / System Tools) does not have any problems with at least one memory stick : It is correctly listed and can be mounted! Maybe it is a Nautilus / Gnome problem ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
"sandy" fonts on fedora 9
Do not know why - but i still have feeling that fonts on Fedora 9 are little "sandy" . I just switched from Windows Vista, where fonts antialiasing looks much better. I am using Liberation Sans fonts .. and 1) When i try "Best Shape" in gnome font config - they are too blur 2) When i try "LCD subpixel" they are too thick and not nice I have ASUS F3SR notebook with 15.4 LCD screen - and i am using X server from fedora 8 - as i have ATI Card and there are no ati drivers for fedora 9 currently - so i found on fedora forums steps to downgrade to Fedora 8 X server Thanks in advance! David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: "sandy" fonts on fedora 9
David Hlác(ik wrote: Do not know why - but i still have feeling that fonts on Fedora 9 are little "sandy" . try 'serif'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Missing Hardwae option
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:28 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:16 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Where in F9 is the equivalent of: > > System-> Preferences->Hardware->Removable Drives and Media? > > Some of that is in the "file management" personal preferences, on the > media tab. > So it is, but it is more restrictive than the previous approach where you could type in the program you wanted to access the media. -- === In the future, you're going to get computers as prizes in breakfast cereals. You'll throw them out because your house will be littered with them. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Missing Hardwae option
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:28 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:16 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Where in F9 is the equivalent of: > > System-> Preferences->Hardware->Removable Drives and Media? > > Some of that is in the "file management" personal preferences, on the > media tab. This is really an addendum to my previous message. What if you wanted to have totem process audio CDs or xine do DVDs. How would you do that? -- === A compliment is something like a kiss through a veil. -- Victor Hugo === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
Hi Anne et al; 2¢ On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 12:18 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: > > Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Monday 28 July 2008 23:08:15 Aaron Konstam wrote: > > >> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: > > >>> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080728 21:48]: > > On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: > > >>> > > >>> [snip] > > >>> > > > Would this help make things better? > > > > In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support > > for making sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. > > >>> > > >>> I'm sure we could manage that. :) > > >>> > > >>> /Anders > > >> > > >> I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. > > > > > > For some of us it is an excellent idea > > > > Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since it > > relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to > > separate their posts among the newly created lists. > > > Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply > > Anne I, for one, would miss the occasional Off Topic thread. I have had my interest peaked and had late night working re-invigorated by this list's incidental forays into language usage, international discussions on how things are done elsewhere, teasing, and even the odd frustrated rant. I believe that kind of communications builds a bit of a community that one can count on when one is really in need of OS or Computer help. I know I have come to recognize and respect a good many names on this list. For what it is worth, I have noticed that the OT increases proportionally from the time when the latest version of Fedora has been released. Perhaps that reflects the decline in the number of real problems which need to be fixed and leaves members free to let their minds wander. Our local LUG had a problem with our mailing list being turned into an anti-social set of diatribes by a couple of members who were no more than trolls. In order to avoid them, we set up a second moderated list for 'tech' subjects only. We ended up with long debates over the whether a question belonged on the 'social' list or the 'tech' list. Slowly everyone drifted away from both; with only a few remaining members using the LUG IRC. I don't know what the answer for the current pointless thread(s) is other than to ignore them for the time being, complain a bit, and hope that other members will stop feeding the troll. But, my experience says setting up an additional mailing list doesn't really solve much and can be harmful to a nice little community of interests. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: "sandy" fonts on fedora 9
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:39 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: > Do not know why - but i still have feeling that fonts on Fedora 9 are > little "sandy" . I just switched from Windows Vista, where fonts > antialiasing looks much better. > I am using Liberation Sans fonts .. and > 1) When i try "Best Shape" in gnome font config - they are too blur > 2) When i try "LCD subpixel" they are too thick and not nice Try tweaking the font size slightly. LCDs aren't as good as CRTs for displaying fonts at some small sizes. A small change can make the difference between a font being drawn chunkily, trying to use one and a bit pixels, to using whole pixels. > I have ASUS F3SR notebook with 15.4 LCD screen - and i am using X > server from fedora 8 Mine's an Asus PRO31J series, F3JC mainboard, laptop. With the same size screen, using Fedora 9. At this stage, I've not installed the vendor NVidia drivers, just going along with the ones supplied with the distribution. Previously I've had Fedora 7 with it, using both Fedora and vendor supplied drivers, and it looked just as good. It also had Vista, and I can't say that Vista was really any better. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: "sandy" fonts on fedora 9
Which font resolution in gnome appearance settings are you using? D. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:39 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: > > Do not know why - but i still have feeling that fonts on Fedora 9 are > > little "sandy" . I just switched from Windows Vista, where fonts > > antialiasing looks much better. > > I am using Liberation Sans fonts .. and > > 1) When i try "Best Shape" in gnome font config - they are too blur > > 2) When i try "LCD subpixel" they are too thick and not nice > > Try tweaking the font size slightly. LCDs aren't as good as CRTs for > displaying fonts at some small sizes. A small change can make the > difference between a font being drawn chunkily, trying to use one and a > bit pixels, to using whole pixels. > > > I have ASUS F3SR notebook with 15.4 LCD screen - and i am using X > > server from fedora 8 > Mine's an Asus PRO31J series, F3JC mainboard, laptop. With the same > size screen, using Fedora 9. At this stage, I've not installed the > vendor NVidia drivers, just going along with the ones supplied with the > distribution. Previously I've had Fedora 7 with it, using both Fedora > and vendor supplied drivers, and it looked just as good. It also had > Vista, and I can't say that Vista was really any better. > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
SELinux and mysqld
When I start up mysql I receive the following alert from SELinux: SELinux is preventing mysqld (mysqld_t) "search" to ./gps (user_home_dir_t). I did some searching around and came across a possible solution. yum -y install selinux-policy-targeted-sources vi /etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy/domains/misc/local.te add the following rules: allow mysqld_t user_home_dir_t read; Then: cd /etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy/ make reload Before I do this I wanted to see If I am adding the correct rule? Can anyone tell me if this is the right way to resolve the issue? TIA, Greg Sieranski -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Missing Hardwae option
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 10:04 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > What if you wanted to have totem process audio CDs or xine do DVDs. > How would you do that? I'm feeling a case of deja vu, I answered this about a week or so ago: From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: For users of Fedora Subject:Re: Fedora9 DVD autoplay Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:35:59 +0930 On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 08:43 +0200, Federico Marziali wrote: >> he problem is that, within this window, you can choose >> which programs to use for autoplay *only* from a predefined list. For >> instance for Audio CD I can choose between Totem, Rhythmbox, Do >> Nothing, and Open Folder. >> There is no "Custom" "Use-your-command-here" or other, which is very >> strange (a bug???). Now, I can't possibly believe that this list of 4 >> choices is hard coded (can it be? o_O), but I could not find where is >> the corresponding configuration file. > I added some information to this file, and they were added to the > drop-down list: > > ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list > > The file also appears to list entries for files that I've right-clicked, > and added to the open-with list in the file properties. > > Some programs add themselves to the list of options, like VLC adds > itself in the appropriate places. But not all multi-media applications > add themselves to the list. > > How did I find the right file? Changed some preferences, then went > looking for a configuration file that had a very recent modification > date. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 cant automount usb drives
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:17 +0200, Herbert Gasiorowski wrote: > Vassilios Kotoulas wrote: > > hi, > > > > after upgrading from f7 to f9 I cant automount my usb disk. I use gnome, > > hal is running and when I switch the disk on I see the usual syslog > > entries. I can also see the drive with fdisk -l. I configurated the > > authorizations to my user is allowed to mount drives. I can mount the > > drive as root from command line. selinux is set to permissive. what did > > I forget? > > > > I just have the same problem: "none" of my usb sticks will mount > automatically > on Fedora 9, but they will on fedora 7 and 8! > > Now I found out that Dolphin (Applications Menu / System Tools) does not have > any problems with at least one memory stick : It is correctly listed and can > be > mounted! > > Maybe it is a Nautilus / Gnome problem ... This will not help you much but my usb stick mounts and even opens a nautilus window. This goes along with my complaint about the missing functionality of System->Preferences->Hardware that used to allow you to control that behavior. > -- === Incumbent, n.: Person of liveliest interest to the outcumbents. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Missing Hardwae option
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:52 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 10:04 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > What if you wanted to have totem process audio CDs or xine do DVDs. > > How would you do that? > > I'm feeling a case of deja vu, I answered this about a week or so ago: > > From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: For users of Fedora > Subject: Re: Fedora9 DVD autoplay > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:35:59 +0930 > > > On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 08:43 +0200, Federico Marziali wrote: > >> he problem is that, within this window, you can choose > >> which programs to use for autoplay *only* from a predefined list. For > >> instance for Audio CD I can choose between Totem, Rhythmbox, Do > >> Nothing, and Open Folder. > >> There is no "Custom" "Use-your-command-here" or other, which is very > >> strange (a bug???). Now, I can't possibly believe that this list of 4 > >> choices is hard coded (can it be? o_O), but I could not find where is > >> the corresponding configuration file. > > > I added some information to this file, and they were added to the > > drop-down list: > > > > ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list > > > > The file also appears to list entries for files that I've right-clicked, > > and added to the open-with list in the file properties. > > > > Some programs add themselves to the list of options, like VLC adds > > itself in the appropriate places. But not all multi-media applications > > add themselves to the list. > > > > How did I find the right file? Changed some preferences, then went > > looking for a configuration file that had a very recent modification > > date. > You are obviously on to something but I am not sure how to use this information. My file contains:[Added Associations] x-content/audio-cdda=rhythmbox.desktop; x-content/video-dvd=livna-vlc.desktop; What would I add to allow totem be chosen to play CDs? -- === The average, healthy, well-adjusted adult gets up at seven-thirty in the morning feeling just terrible. -- Jean Kerr === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 9
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Stephen Berg (Contractor) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: >> >> Hi, thank you for your great effort. >> >> Please correct this entry: >> http://www.fedorafaq.org/#ntfs >> >> ntfs is now supported "out of the box" and automatically mounted in >> /media. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Valent. > > Did you consider letting the author of that FAQ know about that needed > change instead of this list? http://www.fedorafaq.org/contribute/ I thought that OP was the author and that he is reading this list. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Alexandre Oliva wrote: GNU is a radical political movement. Putting the name next to Linux makes it seem as though Linus himself endorses the movement. But that's rather dishonest, given that Linus has always stayed away from such political zealotry. So I added a +1) and sent it in. So it would be dishonest to retain the name of the system that Linus chose to use along with his kernel because of imaginary concerns that he himself waved away when he said he didn't care if it was called GNU/Linux, but it's honest to rename it to something that makes it harder for the software to achieve its goal, and denies credit to its authors while at that? Double standards? If Linus was concerned about having the GNU name next to Linux, he wouldn't have oked the name. If he was concerned about distancing himself from GNU, he might as well have kept a distance from all that GNU software. That argument doesn't hold even ice, let alone water :-) He just seems like such a nice guy and it is wrong to take advantage of his agreeable nature to make it incorrectly appear that he supports the radical political zealotry. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Patch bind to pluig Kaminsky DNS vulnerability for FC7?
Does anyone know if there is an easy way to fix bind (bind-chroot) running in an old machine running FC7 so that it offers the same protection as bind-chroot-9.5.0-28.P1.fc8 and bind-9.5.0-33.P1.fc9.i386 ?? Can one use the src rpm for F8 and re-configure it for FC7? I guess there are still quite a lot of servers in use that are running EOLed Fedoras. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 27, 2008, Gordon Messmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At the time, RMS had no reason to suggest any such thing. When he was suggesting names for Linus' kernel, He never did such a thing, AFAIK. He suggested a name for the combination of the operating system GNU with the kernel Linux. Never to the kernel itself. That he did is just one of the lies by those who want to denigrate the RMS, the FSF and the Free Software movement. My mistake. I had thought that it was RMS that suggested Linux instead of Freax. Wikipedia says that it was Ari Lemmke that changed the name. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 15:11:38 William Case wrote: > I, for one, would miss the occasional Off Topic thread. So would I. In the days when most of the topics were serious they were a light relief. It's not the OT that bothers me, it's the fact that it is now way out of proportion Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 14:09:59 Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 07:18:26 am Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 00:21:22 Ed Greshko wrote: > >>> snip > >>> > > > Yes it is an excellent idea. But, sadly, it probably won't work since > > > it relies on reasonable humans to understand and be willing and able to > > > separate their posts among the newly created lists. > > > > Or a moderator willing to kick off anyone who refuses to comply > > > > Anne > > Given the events of the past 17 days, I'd think that a proctologist would > be a better choice. > Needed the dictionary, but yeh! I think you're right :-) Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Patch bind to pluig Kaminsky DNS vulnerability for FC7?
Mike C wrote: > Does anyone know if there is an easy way to fix bind (bind-chroot) > running in an old machine running FC7 so that it offers the same > protection as > bind-chroot-9.5.0-28.P1.fc8 > and > bind-9.5.0-33.P1.fc9.i386 > ?? > > Can one use the src rpm for F8 and re-configure it for FC7? Sure, you should be able to rebuild the F-8 bind srpm or update bind on F-7 to 9.4.2-P1. Then you'll get to do it again soon for any other packages that have security problems. IMO, your time would be better spent updating those boxes to a supported release of Fedora (or RHEL or CentOS) -- unless you're already quite good at building packages and backporting patches. > I guess there are still quite a lot of servers in use that are > running EOLed Fedoras. That means a lot of admins get to see how much work is really involved in keeping software up to date (or learn the joys of having their boxes rooted). -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Formerly we suffered from crimes; now we suffer from laws. -- Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Roman historian, AD 56 - c. 120 pgp5prKbgKo7V.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
unable to enumerate USB device
I am getting strange messages in the logs: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5 hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6 hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4 Everything works fine, but I would like to know what causes them. According to what I found on Google, I can safely ignore them. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
SElinux and Brother printer driver problem on F8
Hi, I installed the CUPS printer drivers for my MFC-9840CDW on my F8 system and followed the instructions from http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/linux_faq-2.html#30 to update the SElinux rules. Printing itself works fine, but the page size is not correct. I need A4, but all prints come out as Letter altough A4 is set in the printer config tool. Now, whenever I print something I get a SElinux warning: SELinux is preventing brprintconf_mfc (cupsd_t) "write" to ./inf (usr_t). I had a look at the files under /usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc9840cdw/inf/ and they all contain the wrong "Letter" setting. I suspect that the printer drivers want to change the settings in these files to "A4", but fails due to the SElinux issue. What rule do I have to put where to solve this issue? Best regards, Bernd -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy
On Jul 29, 2008, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> *And* BLAG can actually distribute a lot of the Free Software that >> Fedora prefers to steer clear from. *And* BLAG gives equal mention to >> Linux And GNU. > So why don't you set up blag-list somewhere ? Because (i) I'm not involved in BLAG, BLAG just happens to use linux-libre (that I am involved with) and offer resources to help me maintain it, and (ii) such a list already exists. > I don't see ubuntu people trolling this list, so why should you be > doing so ? Moo. Who's the bully here, threatening to take things up to my manager who had explicitly approved of my use of the Red Hat e-mail address to promote software freedom even in Fedora lists? Suggestion: how about you demand those who support *your* point of view to shut up, so that I will then not have to keep correcting them to provide Fedora users with at least a balanced view? It says a lot about a person when he demands with such force that only those who oppose his point of view shut up. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SElinux and Brother printer driver problem on F8
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 18:42 +0200, Bernd Bartmann wrote: > Now, whenever I print something I get a SElinux warning: > > SELinux is preventing brprintconf_mfc (cupsd_t) "write" to ./inf (usr_t). Looks like you need something along the lines of: chcon -t cupsd_etc_t /usr/local/Brother/Printer/*/inf (if that works, you might want to mention that to Brother so they can fix their documentation). Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: unable to enumerate USB device
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:37:36 -0500 "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everything works fine, but I would like to know what causes them. > According to what I found on Google, I can safely ignore them. As near as I can tell from my googling, they are warning messages from code that got carried away and warning about things it shouldn't have been warning about - things that weren't errors at all. Supposedly there is already a patch that will make them go away, but I guess it hasn't worked its way through to the fedora kernels yet. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: unable to enumerate USB device
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 11:37 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > I am getting strange messages in the logs: Just the once, when you boot up? > hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5 > hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6 > hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4 > > Everything works fine, but I would like to know what causes them. > According to what I found on Google, I can safely ignore them. If it's only as you boot up, you can probably ignore them. I get the same, and it's my computer not working out what to do with the mouse, keyboard, & built-in trackpad, etc., as it boots. Yet they all work fine a bit later on. Fedora 9 seems a bit flighty with devices. They don't just get discovered and work, it gets in a tizzy about things not working the instant it notices them, then they work a few more moments later. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: "sandy" fonts on fedora 9
David Hláčik: > Which font resolution in gnome appearance settings are you using? I'll let you know all my font settings, so you can compare. Application font is Sans 8 Document font is Sans 8 Desktop font is Sans 8 Window title font is Sans Bold 9 Fixed width font is Monospace 9 Rendering is subpixel smoothing (LCDs) Resolution is 96 dots per inch Hinting is is full Subpixel order is RGB NB: This isn't a top posting list. Trim things that don't need quoting, then write below the bits you're responding to. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Patch bind to pluig Kaminsky DNS vulnerability for FC7?
Mike C wrote: Does anyone know if there is an easy way to fix bind (bind-chroot) running in an old machine running FC7 so that it offers the same protection as bind-chroot-9.5.0-28.P1.fc8 and bind-9.5.0-33.P1.fc9.i386 ?? Can one use the src rpm for F8 and re-configure it for FC7? I guess there are still quite a lot of servers in use that are running EOLed Fedoras. While you could probably patch every hole yourself with source builds or rebuilding src rpms from newer fedora versions, you would be better off not using Fedora if you can't or don't want to keep up with the upgrade cycle, and fortunately there are distributions designed for that situation. RHEL5 would be very similar if you want a version with paid support or CentOS5 if you don't. Either will have several more years of continuing update support. They aren't even such a bad choice for desktop use now that the updates have brought OpenOffice and Firefox up to near-current releases (an unusual move - most updates are just backported bug/security fixes). -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SElinux and Brother printer driver problem on F8
2008/7/29 Tim Waugh: > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 18:42 +0200, Bernd Bartmann wrote: >> Now, whenever I print something I get a SElinux warning: >> >> SELinux is preventing brprintconf_mfc (cupsd_t) "write" to ./inf (usr_t). > > Looks like you need something along the lines of: > > chcon -t cupsd_etc_t /usr/local/Brother/Printer/*/inf > > (if that works, you might want to mention that to Brother so they can > fix their documentation). Thanks Tim! That did the trick. Altough the files in the inf/ directory do not get changed I now get the printouts in A4 format and no SElinux warning anymore. Best regards, Bernd. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Missing Hardwae option
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 10:59 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > You are obviously on to something but I am not sure how to use this > information. > My file contains:[Added Associations] > x-content/audio-cdda=rhythmbox.desktop; > x-content/video-dvd=livna-vlc.desktop; > > What would I add to allow totem be chosen to play CDs? I'd say to put totem.desktop into the top one instead of the rhythmbox.desktop (desktop being the menu file for the program) CDDA = Compact Disc Digital Audio [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ locate totem.desktop /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ less /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Entering Interactive startup
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 18:24 -0400, Robert Karge wrote: > After loading FD9 on a spare machine at the next restart when reaching > the point of "enter an I for interactive startup" I did do that. > But every time I have used this function on the same computer through > numerous new releases of Fedora it always worked. > Not this time. Worked here, about as well as it ever has: Not instantly, often after the point that I wanted to go into interactive mode (i.e. some services have started as usual), I've never worked out whether it needs i or shift+i, and I've had to stab repeatedly to get it recognised. Another thing that springs to mind is what sort of keyboard are you using? If it's USB, the system mightn't be recognising it as a keyboard, yet. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: a long rebuttal to the Linux-is-the-engine fallacy
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *And* BLAG can actually distribute a lot of the Free Software that Fedora prefers to steer clear from. *And* BLAG gives equal mention to Linux And GNU. So why don't you set up blag-list somewhere ? Because (i) I'm not involved in BLAG, BLAG just happens to use linux-libre (that I am involved with) and offer resources to help me maintain it, and (ii) such a list already exists. I don't see ubuntu people trolling this list, so why should you be doing so ? Moo. Who's the bully here, threatening to take things up to my manager who had explicitly approved of my use of the Red Hat e-mail address to promote software freedom even in Fedora lists? Suggestion: how about you demand those who support *your* point of view to shut up, so that I will then not have to keep correcting them to provide Fedora users with at least a balanced view? It says a lot about a person when he demands with such force that only those who oppose his point of view shut up. Hmm - I saw a reasonable request not to use your RedHat account for your extreme views. It looks like you have a hard time telling the difference between promoting software freedom, and what you are doing. You can express your views, but by using your RedHat account, you are implying that your views are RedHat's views on the subject. So I see asking you to post your views using a private account and taking it to your supervisor when you persist, a responsible act, not "bulling". Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU (was: Re: that old GNU/Linux argument)
On Jul 28, 2008, Marko Vojinovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the following paragraphs of that post, I used it to draw a silent > parallel to the whole Linux vs GNU/Linux discussion. FWIW, classical/information doesn't make for such a parallel. It's not the classical on top of the information; classical is not a noun, it's an adjective to information. You'd just say "classical information" and be done with it. That's how the English language works. Now, GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux is GNU on top of Linux, or GNU with Linux. It's not the GNU version of Linux. No such thing exists, although I guess Linux-libre might be thought of as such. To make the point clear, let's try a thought experiment. Imagine that some people are so fed up with "these threads" that they set out to create an operating system built exclusively out of Free (Libre) and Open Source software, but without any GNU software, to avoid any claims GNUdists might have on it. They're fond of Linux, for they helped write it, so they decide to use it as a kernel. They look around and see there are a number of BSD operating systems out there, so they decide to use the BSD userland to complete the operating system, taking bits and pieces from FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD. It takes some effort to port the lower-level libraries, init scripts and stuff, but eventually the thing boots up, runs a shell and it's announced to the world, with pointers to BSD ports systems and many pre-built ports of applications and servers that most people have come to expect from typical distros. Lucky for them, most of the ports build without change. Now, of course they can use whatever name they like to name the distribution (they picked cRocks), but what term would you use to best describe the operating system on which it is based? a) non-GNU/Linux, because *that* will show those FSF bastards! b) BSD/Linux, because that's what it is: BSD userland with Linux kernel c) cRocks, because that's the (funny) name of the distro, and this makes for a great recursive definition: cRocks is a cRocks-based distribution... d) BSD, because that's where most of the software came from, and it's the most user-visible component e) Linux, because I like this name so much, and I don't care that Linux is just a kernel, a small piece of the puzzle. I just want it to be Linux, dammit, and you BSD people are full of sh*t, shut up and go preach to your own choir, we're only interested in your software, and it's your own fault that you expected us to be reasonable and fair, rather than demanding in your license that we give you the due credit! :-) f) Other, please specify: >> I do not see how not using GNU/Linux is a social injustice. I disagree. > Neither do I, but Alexandre is talking about it in a number of > posts. This is conflating two issues that are related, but not the same. One thing is the social injustice promoted by non-Free Software. That's what the Free Software movement, started along with the GNU project, fights, with its ethical, moral and social values and its approach in educating users to value their freedom and reject software that doesn't respect it. Another thing is the name. Linux doesn't promote or endorse this philosophy. GNU does. By naming the GNU system combined with Linux as Linux, you promote only the philosophy that wants to hide the GNU philosophy. You do nothing to address the social injustice that the GNU software was created to oppose, and you instead promote values that accept and often go even as far as endorsing and recommending software that is at the root of this social injustice. OTOH, by referring to the OS as GNU/Linux, you help spread the Free Software philosophy, such that more people become aware of it. At least some of them will identify themselves with these values, which will ultimately help correct the social injustice. Now, maybe there's some resemblance to this to your suggestion about clearly labeling "classical information", but I don't see it. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SElinux and Brother printer driver problem on F8
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 18:12:50 Bernd Bartmann wrote: > 2008/7/29 Tim Waugh: > > On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 18:42 +0200, Bernd Bartmann wrote: > >> Now, whenever I print something I get a SElinux warning: > >> > >> SELinux is preventing brprintconf_mfc (cupsd_t) "write" to ./inf > >> (usr_t). > > > > Looks like you need something along the lines of: > > > > chcon -t cupsd_etc_t /usr/local/Brother/Printer/*/inf > > > > (if that works, you might want to mention that to Brother so they can > > fix their documentation). > > Thanks Tim! That did the trick. Altough the files in the inf/ > directory do not get changed I now get the printouts in A4 format and > no SElinux warning anymore. > Bernd, I second Tim's suggestion that you should contact Brother. Some time back I fed some info back to them and they did appreciate it. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Moving Icons on bottom toolbar
FC9-KDE . All the Icons on bottom toolbar have moved to the Left, including clock. If i try a"Start Move" of a Icon and move it to the right, it won't move to the right further than the center of toolbar, In other words can't move to the far right, even the clock. I have all current Updates installed. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: unable to enumerate USB device
Tim wrote: If it's only as you boot up, you can probably ignore them. I get the same, and it's my computer not working out what to do with the mouse, keyboard, & built-in trackpad, etc., as it boots. Yet they all work fine a bit later on. Fedora 9 seems a bit flighty with devices. They don't just get discovered and work, it gets in a tizzy about things not working the instant it notices them, then they work a few more moments later. This is still an F8 machine. I get them both at bootup, and sometimes when I plug in a new USB device. Jul 29 12:03:20 mikkel kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6 Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 13 Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0830, idProduct=0050 Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber= Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: Product: Palm Handheld Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: Manufacturer: Palm, Inc. Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: SerialNumber: PalmSN12345678 Jul 29 12:04:33 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 13 Taking a deeper look at things, I noticed that hub 1 is a version 2.0 hub, and hub 4 is a version 1.10 hub. These are both internal hubs, so I wounder if they are using the same socket? Could it be that the high speed hub (v2.0) tries to talk to the device, and when it can not, it hands it off to the full speed hub (v1.10)? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Jul 28, 2008, Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > RMS is the one requesting this >> I am. He's not here. He's not even aware I'm doing this here. > But you are under his jurisdiction, He is the leader of the FSF/GNU. > He is obviously in command. He may very well be in command of something or someone, but he has no authority over me. I just happen to share and promote the goals of the Free Software movement, like he does. I learned a lot from him. But that doesn't put him in command as far as I'm concerned. > IT is not my FAULT that they have not succeeded or are not succeeding :( In as much as you help the other side by adopting an unfair name, it is indeed in part your fault. You've become an accomplice of this unfairness. > Only Debian and a few others have caved in to those requests. Not > even Ubuntu which is based on Debian call themselves Ubuntu > GNU/Linux is that an insult to the Debian and GNU camps? Fedora and Ubuntu are the full distro names. These names are fine, they don't demean GNU or promote Linux over GNU. Fedora Linux or Ubuntu Linux would have been unfair. Saying Fedora and Ubuntu are Linux distributions is unfair. And, worse than being unfair, these names don't help correct the social injustice that the Free Software movement and the GNU project were created to correct. >> Yeah, the kernel could have been named Freax. Then they'd have >> renamed the GNU operating system to Freaks. > Nope, by the arguments they would have named it GNU/Freaks in honor > of the GNU guys who deserve the credit too. That's what would have been the right thing to do. But they chose early on not to do the right thing, as history shows. >> And it's not GNU utilities. It's an operating >> system. > But GNU utilities exist in *BSD camps as well, and the name GNU/*BSD > is not used or required. Exactly. Because it's not about the GNU utilities, it's the GNU operating system. GNU utilities are a part of it, but far from all. > Linux Distributions include that and they call themselves Linux > Distributions not GNU/Linux Distributions with the excepion of > Debian GNU/Linux. That a lot of people insist in a mistake doesn't make it right. Debian is far from the only one who uses a fair name for the distros, or to describe it. Heck, there's even a commercial distro in Brazil called Insigne GNU/Linux, by Insigne Free Software do Brasil. > Fedora is not free as you have said so yourself. So I am not > running a free GNU/Linux distribution. Why should I say Fedora > GNU/Linux if it is not pure and it has bad stuff? http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#reserve > Yet your buddies still leech off Fedora and get their guidelines off > the Fedora site *blinks* What?!? How did you get the impression that any such thing happened? That Rahul, Spot and others worked along with the FSF to come up with those guidelines and to review licenses used in Fedora packages is nothing at all like the FSF just taking Fedora's guidelines. Heck, Fedora even conflicts with those guidelines in important ways, both in policy and package set. Why would anyone say Fedora is a Free distribution when it isn't? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: What is fusebulk filesystem? ntpass fails to reset windows password :(
Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Dear all, > A Lenovo Laptop running Windows Vista locked out the teacher who was > issued the computer at school. The teacher forgot the password. I have > successfully used the SystemRescue CD http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page > with the utitlity ntpass many times. This time, it failed. I also tried > the cd from http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ which is the same. > The laptop locked the teacher out and he could not login. I told them it > was a snap and boy was I wrong. The cd locates the users and apparently > all looks good and when we reboot we try with a blank password and we > cannot log on. Trying other livecd's also gets us nowhere. There > apparently is some garbage on the C:\Windows\system\system32 directory > that prevents the ntpasswd from doing its job. When viewing the > filesystem which should be NTFS, the programs accessing the drive report > that the fs is fusebulk. I have not heard about fusebulk filesystem. > There has to be some sort of encryption on the drive to prevent the > password blank from working. > Does anyone have any other tools that can reset the password in such a > case? > Is the only solution to reformat and reinstall? > > NTFS from VISTA has changes that have not been caught up to by the non M$ utilities. The school doesn't have a system administrator that has the master password? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OT%3A-What-is-fusebulk-filesystem--ntpass-fails-to-reset-windows-password-%3A%28-tp17524370p18717911.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
KDE 4.1 is released
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1 apparently KDE-PIM is back too Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Moved hard drive, can't get display set properly... Intel Graphics card... Xorg.conf
linuxguy-3 wrote: > > Good morning, all. > > My laptop died on the weekend. (HP, 4th time in the last year !) So I > pulled the hard drive and installed it in a Dell desktop machine. > Everything works fine except that I can never get the video/display > working properly with this setup. > > The laptop used an nvida board and I downloaded the driver from livna. > That worked perfectly. > > When I first booted with the Dell machine, X wouldn't start, thus I only > had the console. I backed up xorg.conf and then deleted it. X will > now start, but the screen size is wrong and I can't get to the start > menu. > > If I run Xorg -configure, X won't start. > > According to hwbrowser, the Dell machine uses an Intel 82865G Integrated > Graphics Controller. It also states the driver is intelfb. > > I can run system-config-display, but the display (Dell FPW2005) doesn't > show an option for the 1650x 1080 resolution. > > How do I fix things so that the KDE desktop size matches the display > size ? > > OR > > How do I get the display size to be 1650 x1080 ? (If I edit the > Xorg.conf file to add a mode 1650x 1080 line, X won't start again.) > > Intel graphics is a can of worms!! You don't say which operating system you're running. I have one system with a 82915G chipset that works in both F8 and F9 with the i810 driver. A newer desktop with the 82945G chipset works with the i810 driver in F8 but not in F9. See my post on 6/23 "Display from Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller offset to left" If you are running F9 there is an experimental driver "Intel" In F9 everything is supposed to be automatic but woe to you if you need custom settings. Robert McBroom -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Moved-hard-drive%2C-can%27t-get-display-set-properly...-Intel-Graphics-card...-Xorg.conf-tp18693416p18718269.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU
Alexandre Oliva wrote: To make the point clear, let's try a thought experiment. Imagine that some people are so fed up with "these threads" that they set out to create an operating system built exclusively out of Free (Libre) and Open Source software, but without any GNU software, to avoid any claims GNUdists might have on it. They're fond of Linux, for they helped write it, so they decide to use it as a kernel. > They look around and see there are a number of BSD operating systems out there, so they decide to use the BSD userland to complete the operating system, taking bits and pieces from FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD. It takes some effort to port the lower-level libraries, init scripts and stuff, but eventually the thing boots up, runs a shell and it's announced to the world, with pointers to BSD ports systems and many pre-built ports of applications and servers that most people have come to expect from typical distros. Lucky for them, most of the ports build without change. If you are going to make this effort, why not just ditch the kernel too and re-implement any missing drivers for the *BSDs or OpenSolaris instead? That way you lose both the zealot political movement and the restrictive license in one fell swoop and end up with code that people can actually use. You'd get dtrace and zfs as a bonus and the decades of having to duplicate and waste effort because of GPL restrictions that prevent sharing could finally be over. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
KDE 4.1 is finally released!
I know it's been in testing for a while as 4.98, so is it coming to Fedora today? Or do we have a long while to wait? -- Eric Mesa http://www.ericsbinaryworld.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: KDE 4.1 is finally released!
Eric Mesa wrote: > I know it's been in testing for a while as 4.98, so is it coming to Fedora > today? Or do we have a long while to wait? update queue'd/pending: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-6743 -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT: What is fusebulk filesystem? ntpass fails to reset windows password :(
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, TNWestTex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: TNWestTex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT: What is fusebulk filesystem? ntpass fails to reset windows > password :( > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 10:54 AM > Antonio Olivares wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > A Lenovo Laptop running Windows Vista locked out > the teacher who was > > issued the computer at school. The teacher forgot > the password. I have > > successfully used the SystemRescue > CD http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page > > with the utitlity ntpass many times. This time, it > failed. I also tried > > the cd from > http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ which is the > same. > > The laptop locked the teacher out and he could not > login. I told them it > > was a snap and boy was I wrong. The cd locates the > users and apparently > > all looks good and when we reboot we try with a blank > password and we > > cannot log on. Trying other livecd's also gets > us nowhere. There > > apparently is some garbage on the > C:\Windows\system\system32 directory > > that prevents the ntpasswd from doing its job. When > viewing the > > filesystem which should be NTFS, the programs > accessing the drive report > > that the fs is fusebulk. I have not heard about > fusebulk filesystem. > > There has to be some sort of encryption on the drive > to prevent the > > password blank from working. > > Does anyone have any other tools that can reset the > password in such a > > case? > > Is the only solution to reformat and reinstall? > > > > > NTFS from VISTA has changes that have not been caught up to > by the non M$ > utilities. The school doesn't have a system > administrator that has the > master password? > -- Thank you for your concerns and also to another user that explained the fuse filesystem. The computer has been reformatted and the software reinstalled. It somehow is protected* (when you try to blank or change the password, it locks you out), this is the kind of sh*t that we do not like. But we popped in a restore cd that came with the laptop and started it from scratch. If we mess around with any livecd with password changer/reseters, the computer will not boot even with the correct password that was issued. This is weird and is the second computer of many that I was not able to blank the password so as to gain back control. Also happened in another case a Dell machine running XP and the teacher let a student use the computer to do a research paper, the student changed the password and locked everyone out of it. I tried to use the SystemRescueCD, trinity Rescue CD, and I could not finish the job. Several modules could not be loaded and the machine would return a kernel panic. Another friend of mine had a Windows LiveCD built with BartPE and he got in and changed the password back :) This allowed the teacher to get back the control of the computer. Thank you all for your help! Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
using mock like debootstrap
Hi, for a deployment of virtual machines I need a complete root tree. To get it I use mock --init --root=fedora-9-i386 (or any other release) That works a little like debootstrap. But what do I need to get my machine _really_ working (I already installed yum, sshd and some tools)? For example I am missing /etc/shadow and cannot use passwd to set up a root password. So is there some kind of base packages list? regards Christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I get a word in edgewise here, puhlease?
Gene Heskett wrote: Does anyone know how to make that work, or, how to change channels in the xine front end? I can't find a channel up/down function in its gui. No... Don't actually use xine for this purpose. What do you use? xine works, but it sure is kludgy to change channels. A minute or more with lots of false starts, specially for the hi-def subchannel. Thanks Ed, now if we could get this list back to its stated purpose. Gene, I use mythtv for all of that stuff, both recording and watching TV. If you are watching 1080i or 720p it does require a reasonable CPU and video card to do it. And mythtv can be run in a window, but the default config is full screen. Somethings I watch live, but generally I record it and may watch it almost live (a few minutes behind the current recording) or days later. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: using mock like debootstrap
Christoph Höger wrote: Hi, for a deployment of virtual machines I need a complete root tree. To get it I use mock --init --root=fedora-9-i386 (or any other release) That works a little like debootstrap. But what do I need to get my machine _really_ working (I already installed yum, sshd and some tools)? For example I am missing /etc/shadow and cannot use passwd to set up a root password. So is there some kind of base packages list? regards Christoph I believe that this is what: system-config-netboot.noarch does. Diskless clients need the same base as VM clients, especially if you want to run a minimal install for each VM client. Recently, my son worked on a completely automated VM install that customers can do over the web, with live status. Pretty cool stuff, and he started here, with system-config-netboot.noarch. Good luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU
> If you are going to make this effort, why not just ditch
> the kernel too
> and re-implement any missing drivers for the *BSDs or
> OpenSolaris
> instead? That way you lose both the zealot political
> movement and the
> restrictive license in one fell swoop and end up with code
> that people
> can actually use. You'd get dtrace and zfs as a bonus
> and the decades
> of having to duplicate and waste effort because of GPL
> restrictions that
> prevent sharing could finally be over.
+1) See below
>
> --
>Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --
To those still monitoring this thread, The comments section at Distrowatch.com
is flooded with GPL stuff
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080728&mode=67#comments
The GPL cops are asking for sources to several distros that have only produced
binaries. They get the sources from a mother distro and make a few changes and
then release a distro of their own. Then people complain that they are not GPL
compliant and call RMS and the FSF foundation to make the bastards^{1} give
back their code and comply.
All of this could be prevented if someone follows through with this idea. The
hard part is actually implementing it. The Linux kernel from kernel.org, even
with the non-free stuff supports a great deal of devices that are not supported
over at *BSD and OpenSolaris, if those devices are made available and the
support is there. It would help tremendously alleviate the problems
encountered over here. While those problems are not major, they can bite back
at any time :(
The other idea is forking the Linux kernel and get rid of the restrictions that
pollute/tarnish all the good progress that has been made across the years since
the birth of the project.
Regards,
Antonio
{1} Those distros that use GPL code and distribute binaries and do not post
their changes or source files(with modifications), and therefore fully comply
with the GPL.
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Re: Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU > To: "For users of Fedora" > Cc: "Marko Vojinovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:16 AM > Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > > To make the point clear, let's try a thought > experiment. Imagine that > > some people are so fed up with "these > threads" that they set out to > > create an operating system built exclusively out of > Free (Libre) and > > Open Source software, but without any GNU software, to > avoid any > > claims GNUdists might have on it. > > > > They're fond of Linux, for they helped write it, > so they decide to use > > it as a kernel. > > > > They look around and see there are a number of BSD > operating systems > > out there, so they decide to use the BSD userland to > complete the > > operating system, taking bits and pieces from FreeBSD, > OpenBSD and > > NetBSD. > > > > It takes some effort to port the lower-level > libraries, init scripts > > and stuff, but eventually the thing boots up, runs a > shell and it's > > announced to the world, with pointers to BSD ports > systems and many > > pre-built ports of applications and servers that most > people have come > > to expect from typical distros. Lucky for them, most > of the ports > > build without change. > > If you are going to make this effort, why not just ditch > the kernel too > and re-implement any missing drivers for the *BSDs or > OpenSolaris > instead? That way you lose both the zealot political > movement and the > restrictive license in one fell swoop and end up with code > that people > can actually use. You'd get dtrace and zfs as a bonus > and the decades > of having to duplicate and waste effort because of GPL > restrictions that > prevent sharing could finally be over. > > -- >Les Mikesell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: using mock like debootstrap
On Tuesday 29 July 2008, Christoph Höger wrote: > Hi, > > for a deployment of virtual machines I need a complete root tree. > To get it I use mock --init --root=fedora-9-i386 (or any other release) > > That works a little like debootstrap. > > But what do I need to get my machine _really_ working (I already > installed yum, sshd and some tools)? > For example I am missing /etc/shadow and cannot use passwd to set up a > root password. > > So is there some kind of base packages list? > > regards > > Christoph look at the install option of mock do the init then do an mock install of the packages you need -- Dennis Gilmore signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Creating an operating system with Linux but without GNU
Sorry for the double post, Lost connection to internet and clicked on send to be safe in case it did not get sent :( Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Patch bind to pluig Kaminsky DNS vulnerability for FC7?
Les Mikesell gmail.com> writes: > While you could probably patch every hole yourself with source builds or > rebuilding src rpms from newer fedora versions, you would be better off > not using Fedora if you can't or don't want to keep up with the upgrade > cycle, and fortunately there are distributions designed for that > situation. RHEL5 would be very similar if you want a version with paid > support or CentOS5 if you don't. Either will have several more years of > continuing update support. They aren't even such a bad choice for > desktop use now that the updates have brought OpenOffice and Firefox up > to near-current releases (an unusual move - most updates are just > backported bug/security fixes). Well all but one of the boxes under my control is more up to date but that one is a laptop physically a long way from me and it will be a while before I get a chance to have a day away to do the upgrade - I was just looking for an interim measure Thanks anyway. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
> In as much as you help the other side by adopting an unfair > name, it > is indeed in part your fault. You've become an > accomplice of this > unfairness. Okay, they are the ones who are wrong, but they are not free as you have pointed out. Maybe it is okay to call the projects Linux because they are non-free. For those that want to run truly free systems TRUE(GNU/Linux) may vistit http://www.fsfla.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-libre and download a free* kernel from http://www.fsfla.org/~lxoliva/fsfla/linux-libre/ This way the OS that they will be running will be the true GNU/Linux that you and other FSF promoters are asking. Ours is not a true GNU/Linux, because it contains BAD stuff that makes it nonfree, is that a valid conclusion? > > Linux Distributions include that and they call > themselves Linux > > Distributions not GNU/Linux Distributions with the > excepion of > > Debian GNU/Linux. > > That a lot of people insist in a mistake doesn't make > it right. Now I have an argument that makes it right. They are non-free they include stuff that is no-no from FSF. See top comment :) > > Debian is far from the only one who uses a fair name for > the distros, > or to describe it. Heck, there's even a commercial > distro in Brazil > called Insigne GNU/Linux, by Insigne Free Software do > Brasil. Cool, I did not know that :). I have only heard of Conectiva, which was bought out by Mandrake Soft and became Mandriva. I have heard of Kurumin and also of GoblinX, which is a sister distro of Slax, one of my favorites along with Fedora. There are others that have XP like qualities and also some based on Gentoo like Litrix as well :) > > > Yet your buddies still leech off Fedora and get their > guidelines off > > the Fedora site > > *blinks* What?!? How did you get the impression that any > such thing > happened? That Rahul, Spot and others worked along with > the FSF to > come up with those guidelines and to review licenses used > in Fedora > packages is nothing at all like the FSF just taking > Fedora's > guidelines. Heck, Fedora even conflicts with those > guidelines in > important ways, both in policy and package set. Why would > anyone say > Fedora is a Free distribution when it isn't? We were fooled :( Damn I was very convinced that Fedora followed all the rules, could you at least acknowledge that Fedora is 95% free or something along those lines. IT is not all that BAD is it? > > -- Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I get a word in edgewise here, puhlease?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008, Roger Heflin wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: Does anyone know how to make that work, or, how to change channels in the xine front end? I can't find a channel up/down function in its gui. >>> >>> No... Don't actually use xine for this purpose. >> >> What do you use? xine works, but it sure is kludgy to change channels. A >> minute or more with lots of false starts, specially for the hi-def >> subchannel. >> >> Thanks Ed, now if we could get this list back to its stated purpose. > >Gene, > >I use mythtv for all of that stuff, both recording and watching TV. > yes, but setting up a mythtv system needs real time access to a mythtv guru, and a couple of days to build everything. The guru I have, but he has limited time too. >If you are watching 1080i or 720p it does require a reasonable CPU and video >card to do it. And mythtv can be run in a window, but the default config > is full screen. One proggy I watched last night claimed to be 1920x1050 or some such figure. And it did miss-fire occasionally since its a good 70 air miles to the transmitter and WV's topology is vertical. Its been said from more than one podium that if WV was stomped out flat, it would be the biggest state in the union. >Somethings I watch live, but generally I record it and may watch it almost > live (a few minutes behind the current recording) or days later. > >Roger -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You won't skid if you stay in a rut. -- Frank Hubbard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: using mock like debootstrap
* Christoph Höger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 20:55]: > Hi, > > for a deployment of virtual machines I need a complete root tree. > To get it I use mock --init --root=fedora-9-i386 (or any other release) > > That works a little like debootstrap. > > But what do I need to get my machine _really_ working (I already > installed yum, sshd and some tools)? > For example I am missing /etc/shadow and cannot use passwd to set up a > root password. > > So is there some kind of base packages list? You can also do this: # mkdir /mnt/test # yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=fedora --disableplugins=* \ --installroot=/mnt/test groupinstall Base - this will fail - # cp -a /var/cache/yum/fedora /mnt/test/var/cache/yum/ # yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=fedora --disableplugins=* \ --installroot=/mnt/test groupinstall Base and you have a small jail with a good start. Once you have the jail with the package-set you like, tar it up for quick creation of new jails later. :) I think this is the closest thing to an equivalent of "debootstrap" in Fedora. HTH, /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I get a word in edgewise here, puhlease?
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Gene, > > > >I use mythtv for all of that stuff, both recording and > watching TV. > > > yes, but setting up a mythtv system needs real time access > to a mythtv guru, > and a couple of days to build everything. The guru I have, > but he has > limited time too. Gene, You may want to visit the MythDora project. It is a custom Fedora based distro that should (set up everything for you*). http://www.mythdora.com/ I do not know if it is a true (GNU/Linux) distro, but I hope you will not mind :). Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Can NTFS r/w support be built into the initrd?
I'm trying to get to some files on an NTFS partition at boot time and tried searching all over google with very limited success. It seems the ntfs.ko module does not support read/write well and the ntfs-3g module uses fuse. Is it possible to get fuse built into my initrd with ntfs support? Also, I consider myself an advanced linux user but not quite an expert, so I'm not really sure how best to modify the initrd. Are there any helper tools or am I stuck doing the gz/cpio, changing files, cpio/gz it back up method? Thanks, Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I get a word in edgewise here, puhlease?
Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008, Roger Heflin wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Does anyone know how to make that work, or, how to change channels in the xine front end? I can't find a channel up/down function in its gui. No... Don't actually use xine for this purpose. What do you use? xine works, but it sure is kludgy to change channels. A minute or more with lots of false starts, specially for the hi-def subchannel. Thanks Ed, now if we could get this list back to its stated purpose. Gene, I use mythtv for all of that stuff, both recording and watching TV. yes, but setting up a mythtv system needs real time access to a mythtv guru, and a couple of days to build everything. The guru I have, but he has limited time too. Not really. With no mythtv experience it took me less than a day to setup my original system (putting it on a already running fedora 7 system at the time), the second time I set it up took <2 hours, and that included compiling mythtv from source. And if you do attempt it there is a mythtv list with a number of guru's on it which usually respond reasonably quickly if you can properly describe the issue, but for the most part the howto's describe the steps needed. If you are watching 1080i or 720p it does require a reasonable CPU and video card to do it. And mythtv can be run in a window, but the default config is full screen. One proggy I watched last night claimed to be 1920x1050 or some such figure. And it did miss-fire occasionally since its a good 70 air miles to the transmitter and WV's topology is vertical. Its been said from more than one podium that if WV was stomped out flat, it would be the biggest state in the union. I could see what, I am only about 40 miles from the antenna and if the weather is being difficult things sometimes get messy. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I get a word in edgewise here, puhlease?
On Tuesday 29 July 2008, Antonio Olivares wrote: >--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Gene, >> > >> >I use mythtv for all of that stuff, both recording and >> >> watching TV. >> >> yes, but setting up a mythtv system needs real time access >> to a mythtv guru, >> and a couple of days to build everything. The guru I have, >> but he has >> limited time too. > >Gene, > >You may want to visit the MythDora project. It is a custom Fedora based > distro that should (set up everything for you*). > >http://www.mythdora.com/ > >I do not know if it is a true (GNU/Linux) distro, but I hope you will not > mind :). > >Regards, > >Antonio Thanks Antonio. I grabbed the torrent file & may set ktorrent to go get the dvd. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) TAILFINS!! ... click ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
cron job
Output from nightly cronjobs is filling root's mailbox quickly, and sending everything else to /var/spool/mqueue. These are just status messages (stdout) from the cronjobs which we don't really need mailed to root. Is there anyway to suppress mailings? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
network configuration file
Hi, when I want a debian based system to start up an ethernet device automagically on boot, I simply edit /etc/network/interfaces. Is there a similar way on fedora to have a single file where static informations go? regards christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network configuration file
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Christoph Höger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Christoph Höger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: network configuration file > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:09 PM > Hi, > > when I want a debian based system to start up an ethernet > device > automagically on boot, I simply edit > /etc/network/interfaces. > Is there a similar way on fedora to have a single file > where static > informations go? > > regards > > christoph-- Christoph, By default Fedora uses NetworkManager to connect to networks both wired and wireless. You can change things manually, but it is much easier to let NetWorkManger do it for you :) You may visit this site for more information and the Fedora Wiki available after you visit the below page. http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f9.html#network Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Patch bind to pluig Kaminsky DNS vulnerability for FC7?
Les Mikesell wrote: Mike C wrote: Can one use the src rpm for F8 and re-configure it for FC7? While you could probably patch every hole yourself with source builds or rebuilding src rpms from newer fedora versions, you would be better off not using Fedora if you can't or don't want to keep up with the upgrade cycle, and fortunately there are distributions designed for that situation. RHEL5 would be very similar if you want a version with paid support or CentOS5 if you don't. Either will have several more years of continuing update support. They aren't even such a bad choice for desktop use now that the updates have brought OpenOffice and Firefox up to near-current releases (an unusual move - most updates are just backported bug/security fixes). Yes you can use the current F9 src rpm and build it for F7. I did the same thing for FC6. As for Les' contention about the upgrade cycle, while I generally agree in this respect I would like to add, if I COULD upgrade my current FC6 system to something newer I would. But, I can't because of this silly mkinitrd bug that is not allowing my Qlogic FCcard firmware to load on boot. With that said, I'm stuck as it were until that's fixed. Sure, I could probably upgrade despite that, but I won't. I have too much running on that system to manually unload/load that blasted module after every reboot, even if I don't reboot it often. It's a silly bug that should never be a problem. So, in some cases it's not a matter of 'keeping up with the Fedora's', it's a matter of other problems. -- Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel: 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 GNU/Linux 16:31:50 up 3 days, 6:20, 2 users, load average: 0.96, 0.77, 0.85 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: cron job
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080729 22:11]: > > Output from nightly cronjobs is filling root's mailbox quickly, > and sending everything else to /var/spool/mqueue. These are just > status messages (stdout) from the cronjobs which we don't really need > mailed to root. Is there anyway to suppress mailings? Yes. 'man 5 crontab' - Set MAILTO="" in your crontab, and you will suppress mails. HTH /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: cron job
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Output from nightly cronjobs is filling root's mailbox quickly, and sending everything else to /var/spool/mqueue. These are just status messages (stdout) from the cronjobs which we don't really need mailed to root. Is there anyway to suppress mailings? Send your jobs to /dev/null like so: 30 0 * * * /path/to/program >> /dev/null Make sense? Max Pyziur [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network configuration file
Christoph Höger wrote: Hi, when I want a debian based system to start up an ethernet device automagically on boot, I simply edit /etc/network/interfaces. Is there a similar way on fedora to have a single file where static informations go? regards christoph You can find the scripts in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. But you also have to change a couple of services. By default, NetworkManager runs at boot, and does not bring up the network interfaces until you log into the GUI. If you use the network service instead, it will bring up the network on boot instead. chkconfig NetworkManager off chkconfig network on If you want to change them before you reboot, run: service NetworkManager stop service network start Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can NTFS r/w support be built into the initrd?
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 14:56 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > I'm trying to get to some files on an NTFS partition at boot time and > tried searching all over google with very limited success. It seems > the ntfs.ko module does not support read/write well and the ntfs-3g > module uses fuse. The only reason you should need to have this in the initrd is if you're booting / off ntfs-3g, which I would strongly discourage. Can you explain exactly why you need this? Thanks, ~spot (ntfs-3g Fedora maintainer) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network configuration file
Am Dienstag, den 29.07.2008, 15:31 -0500 schrieb Mikkel L. Ellertson: > Christoph Höger wrote: > > Hi, > > > > when I want a debian based system to start up an ethernet device > > automagically on boot, I simply edit /etc/network/interfaces. > > Is there a similar way on fedora to have a single file where static > > informations go? > > > > regards > > > > christoph > > > You can find the scripts in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. But you > also have to change a couple of services. By default, NetworkManager > runs at boot, and does not bring up the network interfaces until you > log into the GUI. If you use the network service instead, it will > bring up the network on boot instead. > > chkconfig NetworkManager off > chkconfig network on > > If you want to change them before you reboot, run: > > service NetworkManager stop > service network start > > Mikkel > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Hi, Networkmanager (that I am very aware of ;)) is not an option. I should have mentioned that I need to assign static ip addresses to some virtual machines by editing something in their root-tree. If I look at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 that seems to be the place to go. Has anyone an example of that file with a static ip adress? regards Christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network configuration file
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:59:13 +0200 Christoph Höger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone an example of that file with a static ip adress? DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=none HWADDR=00:1C:C0:2A:00:90 IPADDR=192.168.0.3 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 TYPE=Ethernet USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no NM_CONTROLLED=no -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
