Fedora Weekly News Issue 137

2008-08-04 Thread Huzaifa Sidhpurwala
Fedora Weekly News Issue 137
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Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 137 for the week ending August 2, 2008.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue137

Fedora Weekly News keeps you updated with the latest issues, events and
activities in the Fedora community.

We are pleased to present a new beat on Virtualization issues and
developments brought to you by beat writer Dale Bewley. In Developments
we report on How Maintainers Can Help Reduce XULRunner Breakage. In
Announcements we reveal the Fedora 10 codename. In Artwork we examine
The Blue Color of Fedora. In Security Advisories, another new beat
authored by David Nalley we run through the week's important updates. We
are also saddened to announce the departure of Thomas Chung from the
editorial chair, but heartened to be working as a new editorial team
consisting of Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley and Huzaifa Sidhpurwala.

If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see
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== Announcements ==

In this section, we cover announcements from the Fedora Project.

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/

Contributing Writer: Max Spevack
= Fedora 10 (Cambridge) =

Josh Boyer informed us[0] that Cambridge was the winning name in the
Fedora 10 naming election. Jeremy Katz wrote[1] on his blog that
Cambridge was the original Red Hat Linux 10 codename, which was the
release that eventually became Fedora Core 1.

[0]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-July/msg00014.html

[1] http://katzj.livejournal.com/434986.html

== Ambassadors ==

In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors

Contributing Writer: JeffreyTadlock


= Help Wanted: LinuxWorld San Francisco =

Karsten Wade put out a help wanted call [1] for the Fedora booth at
LinuxWorld San Francisco. If you are in the area and wnat to help out,
please check the mailing list post [1] for details or the wiki page [2].

[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00412.html

[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events/LinuxWorld_SF_2008


= Event Report: Lindependence 2008 =

Karsten Wade reported [1] on Lindependence 2008 on the ambassador
mailing list. THis event was in Felton, California and was an attempt to
get an entire town to switch to FOSS alternatives.

[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00381.html


= Event Report: Palmetto Open Source Software Conference =

David Nalley posted [1] his event report covering the Palmetto Open
Source Software Conference. This was a first year event and included a
talk by Greg DeKoenigsberg and included an imprompt Fedora booth.

[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00375.html


== Developments ==

In this section the people, personalities and debates on the
@fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.

Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley
= How Maintainers Can Help Reduce XULRunner Breakage =

The recent breakage of many packages which depend on xulrunner (see
FWN#136 XULRunner Security Update Breakage Stimulates Bodhi
Discussion[1]) was addressed[2] in a post by Will Woods. Will reported
that a QA meeting involving Christopher Aillon (caillon), as
Firefox/XULRunner maintainer, had investigated the problem and produced
an explanation and some recommendations for other package maintainers.
As Christopher was unavailable for a week Will was relaying the
information in the hope that some fixes could be made in his absence.

[1]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue#XULRunner.Security.Update.Breakage.Stimulates.Bodhi.Discussion

[2]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01682.html

The reason that some xulrunner-dependent packages were affected and
others not was that xulrunner provides both a stable API gecko-devel and
an unstable API gecko-devel-unstable. Will noted that BuildRequires of
xulrunner-devel or xulrunner-devel-unstable should no longer be used and
instead that gecko equivalents should replace them.
Packages using the stable API were unaffected by the update of
xulrunner. Will stated that [t]he unstable API could change at any
time, so if your app is using the unstable API it must be rebuilt *every
time* xulrunner is updated. It was recommended that packages that used
the stable API should use the following in their specfiles:

Requires: gecko-libs = 1.9
BuildRequires: gecko-devel = 1.9

and that those using the unstable API should use:

%define gecko_ver 1.9.0.1

Re: help with feature process diagram

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Klaatu and Gort wrote:
Yeah I like the MgOpen Modata font, very Fedora-y.  I don't see it in my 
F9/KDE4 system...I wonder if it's not included or if I accidentally 
ditched it.  Seems like a good one to have around.


I believe it is not installed by default so you have to yum install it.

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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:


I've reworked the printer icon and added missing sizes. I've done two
slightly different designs. I attach 22x22 version, the rest can be
found at my fedorapeople page [1].


Maybe my tired eyes are at fault, but I find both of them a bit too blurry.

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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 10:14 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 Maybe my tired eyes are at fault, but I find both of them a bit too blurry.
 
Do you have any idea/suggestion how to improve that (other than to
recheck pixel grid alignment)? Does that feeling apply only on the icons
I attached (22x22) or on the other sizes as well?

Thanks,
Martin


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My Intro

2008-08-04 Thread Vara Prasad Pepakayala
Hi all, I am VaraPrasad(Handle:Dreko). I am IT graduate from INdia. I have
just completed graduation and got recruited in a prestigious company. I am a
great lover of Fedora.. But as my resources are limited I never used Linux
to the max. I always install it as the secondary OS. I use a CDMA based
internet connection(not hard wired), it has some problems to get connected
with Linux. so  I use my internet connection only through Windows. I am Good
with artwork in windows thru Adobe PS and 3DsM ... Only now I am learning to
master Gimp and Blender.. as i have some hands on experience with PS i dont
feel difficult with gimp..only with some keybord command.. I have joined
fedora project art section. And I was directed here by Nicu Buculei, thanx
hor his help, i can start now. I hope you all will guide me and advice me
for the future..
Thanking you...
Dreko..

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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 10:14 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:

Maybe my tired eyes are at fault, but I find both of them a bit too blurry.


Do you have any idea/suggestion how to improve that (other than to
recheck pixel grid alignment)? Does that feeling apply only on the icons
I attached (22x22) or on the other sizes as well?


Only 22x22, even 16x16 seems crisp (maybe 32x32 is also a bit blurry, 
but being larger it seems OK).


BTW, speaking of comparing various icon sizes, have you seen jimmac's 
screencast about one canvas workflow? 
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436


If so, what opinion have you about this, as you have a lot of experience 
working with icons, could it be of benefit or the [possible] benefits 
does not compensate for the additional work?


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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 10:41 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 Only 22x22, even 16x16 seems crisp (maybe 32x32 is also a bit blurry, 
 but being larger it seems OK).
 
Well, the main difference between = 22x22 and 16x16 is the used type of
projection, which makes the 16x16 easier to make crisp. I'll recheck the
22x22 to see how I can improve it.

 BTW, speaking of comparing various icon sizes, have you seen jimmac's 
 screencast about one canvas workflow? 
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=436
 
 If so, what opinion have you about this, as you have a lot of experience 
 working with icons, could it be of benefit or the [possible] benefits 
 does not compensate for the additional work?
 
I haven't. When I first tried to play it I was on Rawhide and it was
sure way to bring my browser down. I didn't tried it since then, but
I'll probably look at it to see what it's about...

Martin


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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 10:41 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:


If so, what opinion have you about this, as you have a lot of experience 
working with icons, could it be of benefit or the [possible] benefits 
does not compensate for the additional work?



I haven't. When I first tried to play it I was on Rawhide and it was
sure way to bring my browser down. I didn't tried it since then, but
I'll probably look at it to see what it's about...


He provides various versions, including an OGG Theora. Basically is 
about using a single SVG sheet (like 
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/twitter.png) for keeping the 
sources for all resolutions.
This way is easier to reuse gradients or other resources and to visually 
compare the icons.



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Re: My Intro

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Vara Prasad Pepakayala wrote:
Hi all, I am VaraPrasad(Handle:Dreko). I am IT graduate from INdia. I 


Hi and welcome,

have just completed graduation and got recruited in a prestigious 
company. I am a great lover of Fedora.. But as my resources are limited 
I never used Linux to the max. I always install it as the secondary OS. 
I use a CDMA based internet connection(not hard wired), it has some 
problems to get connected with Linux. so  I use my internet connection 


I do not have any first hand experience, but I heard a lot of good 
things about the latest NetworkManager


only through Windows. I am Good with artwork in windows thru Adobe PS 
and 3DsM ... Only now I am learning to master Gimp and Blender.. as i 
have some hands on experience with PS i dont feel difficult with 
gimp..only with some keybord command.. I have joined fedora project art 


While we have no hard rule about creating images with proprietary 
applications or using proprietary operating systems, with *strongly 
encourage* using FLOSS tools on Fedora so the artwork in Fedora 9 is 
almost entirely created *with* Fedora.
Anyway, the *absolute requirement* is that the graphics should have 
sources available (.xcf counts as sources too) and in formats which can 
be opened by the other, Linux using, members of the team.


section. And I was directed here by Nicu Buculei, thanx hor his help, i 
can start now. I hope you all will guide me and advice me for the 
future! ..


I believe I pointed in my introductory mail to the DesignService queue, 
so if you are interested in some work you can have a look at it, maybe 
you find something attractive.


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Tracking logo approval requests

2008-08-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Hi,

Do we have a instance of RT or trac setup to keep track of logo 
requests? If not, should we?


Rahul

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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 11:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 He provides various versions, including an OGG Theora. Basically is 
 about using a single SVG sheet (like 
 http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/twitter.png) for keeping the 
 sources for all resolutions.
 This way is easier to reuse gradients or other resources and to visually 
 compare the icons.
 

Ahh, that might be useful. Especially for the reuse of gradients. One of the 
cons I can think of now is that you cannot effectively use Inkscape's Icon 
Preview feature to check for not-so-obvious shortcomings. Also icon positioning 
on the resultant canvas is not obvious from it.

Btw. I've played a little with the printer icon and came up with an
enhancement for crispness ;-) Check the attachment.

Martin
attachment: printer22b.pngattachment: printer22b.svg

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Re: My Intro

2008-08-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 11:30 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 Vara Prasad Pepakayala wrote:
  Hi all, I am VaraPrasad(Handle:Dreko). I am IT graduate from INdia. I 
 
 Hi and welcome,
 
Hi from me too :-)

 I do not have any first hand experience, but I heard a lot of good 
 things about the latest NetworkManager
 
Works very good for wifi, I don't know about CDMA, but same as nicu, I
also heard a lot of good about the 0.7.x branch of nm.

 While we have no hard rule about creating images with proprietary 
 applications or using proprietary operating systems, with *strongly 
 encourage* using FLOSS tools on Fedora so the artwork in Fedora 9 is 
 almost entirely created *with* Fedora.
 Anyway, the *absolute requirement* is that the graphics should have 
 sources available (.xcf counts as sources too) and in formats which can 
 be opened by the other, Linux using, members of the team.
 
One of the good points about many FLOSS applications is that they are
available on wide range of platforms. So you can use gimp both in Fedora
and Windows, dunno about blender. One another great FLOSS app that you
should consider learning is Inkscape [1]. It's for vector-based image
creation and I think it resembles Corel Draw a little with it's UI. It's
also pretty powerful, generally (IMHO) easy to use and has a Windows
port [2] available as well, which might be positive for you. There is
also a wide range of tutorials for it on various web {sites,logs}, like
here [3].

Martin

References:
[1] http://www.inkscape.org/
[2] http://downloads.sourceforge.net/inkscape/Inkscape-0.46.win32.exe
[3] http://inkscapetutorials.wordpress.com/


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Re: [Echo] printer sketches

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 11:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
He provides various versions, including an OGG Theora. Basically is 
about using a single SVG sheet (like 
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/twitter.png) for keeping the 
sources for all resolutions.
This way is easier to reuse gradients or other resources and to visually 
compare the icons.




Ahh, that might be useful. Especially for the reuse of gradients. One of the 
cons I can think of now is that you cannot effectively use Inkscape's Icon 
Preview feature to check for not-so-obvious shortcomings. Also icon positioning 
on the resultant canvas is not obvious from it.


With the icon preview I think you are right, it would be probably cool 
if Inkscape would change the UI a bit and show the icon preview for a 
selection, group or certain area.


I don't think the positioning matters - he uses a template with some 
rectangles standing for the variously sized canvases and all the 
positioning is relative to those.



Btw. I've played a little with the printer icon and came up with an
enhancement for crispness ;-) Check the attachment.


This one is, IMO, much better.

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Hi

2008-08-04 Thread Karthik e
Hi !!
  I am karthik.I am doing my UG(B.tech) at National Institute of
Technology ,Trichy ,India. i am both windows and linux(Fedora) user.. i have
a good knowledge on Photoshop and GIMP, and worked on few assignments in
college using both.. i love fedora specially its graphical
part(icons,themes).. and i wish to contribute for fedora art team. hope i
wish to get the guidance and advice for the art team.


 thanking you

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Re: Tracking logo approval requests

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


Do we have a instance of RT or trac setup to keep track of logo 
requests? If not, should we?


AFAIK, we don't have one, this is handled manually by one single person.

I think it would make sense to keep track in one of those instances:
- if more people are in charge with the job (which I don't think is the 
case, not so many requests and not so many people with the right 
background for the task);
- if we want accountability and know who give permission to who and when 
(more than what's in Mo's mail archives).


If we decide about keeping track, it may be made in the simplest form 
with a wiki page (like the DesignService page), generating mail 
notification for those in charge.


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Re: Hi

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Karthik e wrote:

Hi !!


Hi!

  I am karthik.I am doing my UG(B.tech) at National Institute of 
Technology ,Trichy ,India. i am both windows and linux(Fedora) user.. i 
have a good knowledge on Photoshop and GIMP, and worked on few 
assignments in college using both.. i love fedora specially its 


Do you have some of those assignments online so you can share?

graphical part(icons,themes).. and i wish to contribute for fedora art 
team. hope i wish to get the guidance and advice for the art team.


That's a cool thing, if you like the icons you may want to help with the 
new icon set, echo - https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/ (you will 
need some Inkscape knowledge/or general vector graphics for that).


Other than that, here is the page where we receive design requests: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService if you see something 
interesting to not hesitate to try your hand.


Other than that, here are the theme proposals for Fedora 10: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes

It is about the time for us to work on them for the second round.

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Re: My Intro

2008-08-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:

One of the good points about many FLOSS applications is that they are
available on wide range of platforms. So you can use gimp both in Fedora
and Windows, dunno about blender.


Certainly Blender has a Windows version too (and I really wish I had 
enough time to play a bit and learn a few bits about Blender myself - 
the Linux version, of course - it is still somewhere far way in a TODO 
list).


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Re: Tracking logo approval requests

2008-08-04 Thread Máirín Duffy

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

Do we have a instance of RT or trac setup to keep track of logo 
requests?


No. We used to use a ticketing system and it was a royal pain in the 
butt because it didn't work right, I ended up losing some requests, the 
response piece was broken so I had to copy/paste information into my 
mail client to respond manually and I didn't know if someone else who 
might have been on the queue had already answered the ones I was 
answering. And because the response piece didn't work it did not serve 
the purpose as serving as a record since replies could not go thru it.


 If not, should we?

Does anyone else want to help me with the queue? Last time I checked, 
no. I'd rather not uproot my system (thunderbird templates), which while 
manual actually works quite well for me, if there's no good reason to.


~m

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Re: Tracking logo approval requests

2008-08-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Máirín Duffy wrote:

Does anyone else want to help me with the queue? Last time I checked, 
no. I'd rather not uproot my system (thunderbird templates), which while 
manual actually works quite well for me, if there's no good reason to.


I think there is value in having a public and more transparent record of 
logo approvals(besides your mailbox) regardless of how many people are 
processing the queue. Hopefully the revised trademark guidelines (in 
progress) would reduce the need for this process for the most part.


Rahul

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Re: help with feature process diagram

2008-08-04 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 16:47 +1000, ryan lerch wrote:
 :) 
 its all good...
 im sure someone can use the assets in it for many other diagrams...

Now you guys are just making it harder to choose -- so many nice
options!

Let me make a suggestion, though, which you guys could collaborate on --
can we get a sort of SVG collection template for these diagrams, which
also includes ?  Then people could use that to construct their own
diagrams, and know they'd end up with something with a Fedora look and
feel.

A further suggestion would be that this template include a bit of
instruction on how to set fonts, connector widths, end points, and so
forth to achieve the desired consistency.  Those instructions could
always go on a wiki page around the template, for that matter.

What do you say, are you guys up for it?

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mock x86_64 running pungi i368

2008-08-04 Thread Phil Meyer

I have tried to be careful to run as specified.
I attempted to go back through the mailing list, but nothing quite like this 
jumped out ...


2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64
mock-0.9.9-1.fc9.noarch.rpm

commands attempted:

# mock -r fedora-devel-i386 --init
# mock -r fedora-devel-i386 --no-clean --install pungi

# cp dev-9 /var/lib/mock/fedora-rawhide-i386/root/tmp

# mock -r fedora-devel-i386 --chroot /usr/bin/pungi -c /tmp/dev-9 --ver=F9 
--flavor=FJ --nosource


Result:

Pungi.ERROR: Got an error from /usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/buildinstall
Pungi.ERROR: error: db4 error(22) from dbenv-open: Invalid argument
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Invalid argument (22)
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/repoquery, line 853, in module
main(sys.argv)
  File /usr/bin/repoquery, line 750, in main
repoq.doConfigSetup(fn=opts.conffile, debuglevel=initnoise, 
init_plugins=opts.plugins)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 134, in 
doConfigSetup
errorlevel=errorlevel)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 182, in 
_getConfig
self._conf = config.readMainConfig(startupconf)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/config.py, line 732, in 
readMainConfig
yumvars['releasever'] = _getsysver(startupconf.installroot, 
startupconf.distroverpkg)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/config.py, line 802, in _getsysver
idx = ts.dbMatch('provides', distroverpkg)
TypeError: rpmdb open failed
error: db4 error(22) from dbenv-open: Invalid argument
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Invalid argument (22)
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/yumdownloader, line 277, in module
util = YumDownloader()
  File /usr/bin/yumdownloader, line 42, in __init__
self.main()
  File /usr/bin/yumdownloader, line 51, in main
opts = self.doUtilConfigSetup()
  File /usr/share/yum-cli/utils.py, line 69, in doUtilConfigSetup
errorlevel=opts.errorlevel)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 182, in 
_getConfig
self._conf = config.readMainConfig(startupconf)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/config.py, line 732, in 
readMainConfig
yumvars['releasever'] = _getsysver(startupconf.installroot, 
startupconf.distroverpkg)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/config.py, line 802, in _getsysver
idx = ts.dbMatch('provides', distroverpkg)
TypeError: rpmdb open failed

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Re: mock x86_64 running pungi i368

2008-08-04 Thread jeff

Jesse Keating wrote:

On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 13:31 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:

I have tried to be careful to run as specified.
I attempted to go back through the mailing list, but nothing quite
like this jumped out ...


The rpm used to create the buildroot is 64bit, the rpm used inside the
buildroot is 32bit.  You'll need to remove the cached database files
from /var/lib/rpm/__db* inside the chroot.


mock -r fedora-9-i386 --shell rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__db.00*

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[Bug 453016] Review Request: un-core-fonts - Korean TrueType fonts

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Customer Facing||---




--- Comment #38 from Jens Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 01:59:00 EDT 
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Dennis communicated to me that he is happy with the .spec file in attachment
312229.

I am sponsoring Dennis - thank you for the review!

This package is APPROVED for inclusion in Fedora.


Please go ahead and follow the process from step 7 on 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/NewPackageProcess

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join also explains the steps
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[Bug 453017] Review Request: un-extra-fonts - Korean TrueType fonts

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 Blocks|177841  |
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--- Comment #25 from Jens Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 02:03:28 EDT 
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Dennis is now sponsored - so removing needsponsor.

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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #2 from _pjp_ [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 04:14:44 EDT ---
  Hello Mamoru,

Looks good to me. The build/install from source and rpm did work without any
hassles.

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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #3 from Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 04:39:43 EDT 
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Thank you.

If you think that this package can be approved, would you set fedora-review
flag to +
and write on this bug that you approved this review request?

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[Bug 448078] [ml-IN] Font size problem with Meera

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--- Comment #2 from Ani Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 06:15:51 EDT ---
smc-fonts-malayalam seems to be ok, hence am closing the bug.

Pravins, thanks a lot :)

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[Bug 448078] [ml-IN] Font size problem with Meera

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 Status|MODIFIED|CLOSED
 Resolution||RAWHIDE




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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #4 from _pjp_ [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 08:07:33 EDT ---
Yes, I approve this package.

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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #5 from Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 10:43:26 EDT 
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Thanks!

New Package CVS Request
===
Package Name:  monafont
Short Description: Japanese font for text arts
Owners:mtasaka
Branches:  F-9 F-8
InitialCC: (nobody)
Cvsextras Commits: welcome

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[Bug 454128] Review Request: thibault-fonts - Collection of fonts from thibault.org

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 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
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[Bug 454967] Review Request: darkgarden-fonts - Dark Garden is a decorative outline font of unusual shape.

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 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #6 from Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 14:51:47 EDT ---
cvs done.

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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #7 from Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 15:00:17 EDT 
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To Kevin:

Thanks for CVS procedure.

By the way I am seeing that every time you write cvs done you add yourself
to CC list. Perhaps you want to check bug 457664 ?

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--- Comment #8 from Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 15:27:41 EDT ---
Excellent idea. Thanks for the pointer.

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[Bug 457062] Review Request: monafont - Japanese font for text arts

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--- Comment #9 from Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 16:22:37 EDT 
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Rebuild on devel/F-9/F-8, request to push to reqository on F-9/F-8 done,
closing.

Thank you for the review and CVS procedure.

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--- Comment #10 from Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-04 16:38:19 EDT 
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Oops..

Package Change Request
==
Package Name: monafont
Branches: devel F-9 F-8
Updated Fedora CC: fonts-sig

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cvs done.

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[Bug 457868] New: Update latest release from upstream.

2008-08-04 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Update latest release from upstream.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457868

   Summary: Update latest release from upstream.
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
  Platform: All
   URL: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/CJKUnifonts/Downl
oad
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Keywords: i18n
  Severity: medium
  Priority: medium
 Component: cjkunifonts
AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 QAContact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com
   Estimated Hours: 0.0
Classification: Fedora


Description of problem:
New release version is available from upstream.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
0.1.20060928.6

How reproducible:


Steps to Reproduce:
1. `rpm -qa | grep cjkunifonts`

Actual results:
cjkunifonts-uming-0.1.20060928.6-1.fc10.noarch
cjkunifonts-ukai-0.1.20060928.6-1.fc10.noarch

Expected results:
cjkunifonts-uming-0.2.20080216.1-1.fc10.noarch
cjkunifonts-ukai-0.2.20080216.1-1.fc10.noarch

Additional info:
N/A

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rpms/cjkunifonts/devel .cvsignore, 1.2, 1.3 cjkunifonts.spec, 1.7, 1.8 sources, 1.2, 1.3

2008-08-04 Thread Caius Chance
Author: cchance

Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkunifonts/devel
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27077

Modified Files:
.cvsignore cjkunifonts.spec sources 
Log Message:
* Tue Aug 05 2008 Caius Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0.2.20080216.1-1.fc10
- Resolves: rhbz#123456 (Update latest release fro upstream.)



Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkunifonts/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- .cvsignore  31 Aug 2007 01:20:20 -  1.2
+++ .cvsignore  5 Aug 2008 04:48:26 -   1.3
@@ -1,2 +1,2 @@
-ttf-arphic-ukai_0.1.20060928.orig.tar.gz
-ttf-arphic-uming_0.1.20060928.orig.tar.gz
+ttf-arphic-uming_0.2.20080216.1.orig.tar.gz
+ttf-arphic-ukai_0.2.20080216.1.orig.tar.gz


Index: cjkunifonts.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkunifonts/devel/cjkunifonts.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.7
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.7 -r1.8
--- cjkunifonts.spec30 Jun 2008 06:15:37 -  1.7
+++ cjkunifonts.spec5 Aug 2008 04:48:26 -   1.8
@@ -1,11 +1,15 @@
 %define umingfontdir%{_datadir}/fonts/%{name}-uming
 %define ukaifontdir %{_datadir}/fonts/%{name}-ukai
+%define fcdir   %{_sysconfdir}/fonts/conf.d
 %define cidmapdir   %{_datadir}/ghostscript/conf.d
-%define catalogue   /etc/X11/fontpath.d
+%define catalogue   %{_sysconfdir}/X11/fontpath.d
+
+%define umingbuilddir   ../%{name}-uming-%{version}
+%define ukaibuilddir../%{name}-ukai-%{version}
 
 Name:cjkunifonts
-Version: 0.1.20060928
-Release: 6%{?dist}
+Version: 0.2.20080216.1
+Release: 1%{?dist}
 Summary: Chinese TrueType Fonts -- Simplified and Traditional Chinese Ming 
and Kai Face
 License: Arphic
 Group:   User Interface/X
@@ -34,8 +38,8 @@
 License:  Arphic
 Group:User Interface/X
 Conflicts:fonts-chinese = 3.03-9.fc8
-Obsoletes:ttfonts-zh_CN = 2.14-10, ttfonts-zh_TW = 2.11-28
 Obsoletes:fonts-chinese  3.03-13
+Obsoletes:ttfonts-zh_CN = 2.14-10, ttfonts-zh_TW = 2.11-28
 
 %description uming
 Chinese Uming style face TrueType Font derived from the original fonts released
@@ -46,6 +50,7 @@
 License:  Arphic
 Group:User Interface/X
 Conflicts:fonts-chinese = 3.03-9.fc8
+Obsoletes:fonts-chinese  3.03-13
 Obsoletes:ttfonts-zh_CN = 2.14-10, ttfonts-zh_TW = 2.11-28
 
 %description ukai
@@ -53,7 +58,8 @@
 by Arphic Technology and extended by the CJK Unifonts project.
 
 %prep
-%setup -q -T -c -a1 -a2
+%setup -q -c -T -a1 -n %{name}-uming-%{version}
+%setup -q -c -T -a2 -n %{name}-ukai-%{version}
 
 %build
 %{nil}
@@ -67,8 +73,8 @@
 install -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{ukaifontdir}
 
 # ttfs
-install -m 0644 ttf-arphic-uming-%{version}/uming.ttf 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{umingfontdir}/
-install -m 0644 ttf-arphic-ukai-%{version}/ukai.ttf 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{ukaifontdir}/
+install -m 0644 %{umingbuilddir}/uming.ttc $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{umingfontdir}/
+install -m 0644 %{ukaibuilddir}/ukai.ttc $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{ukaifontdir}/
 
 # fonts.{scale,dir}
 %{_bindir}/ttmkfdir -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{umingfontdir} -o 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{umingfontdir}/fonts.scale
@@ -76,11 +82,16 @@
 %{_bindir}/ttmkfdir -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{ukaifontdir} -o 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{ukaifontdir}/fonts.scale
 mkfontdir $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{ukaifontdir}
 
+# fontconfig config files
+install -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{fcdir}
+install -m 0644 %{umingbuilddir}/*.conf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{fcdir}/
+install -m 0644 %{ukaibuilddir}/*.conf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{fcdir}/
+
 # backward compat
 install -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/fonts/zh_CN/TrueType
 install -d $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/fonts/zh_TW/TrueType
-ln -s ../../%{name}-uming/uming.ttf 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/fonts/zh_CN/TrueType/zysong.ttf
-ln -s ../../%{name}-uming/uming.ttf 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/fonts/zh_TW/TrueType/bsmi00lp.ttf
+ln -s ../../%{name}-uming/uming.ttc 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/fonts/zh_CN/TrueType/zysong.ttf
+ln -s ../../%{name}-uming/uming.ttc 
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/fonts/zh_TW/TrueType/bsmi00lp.ttf
 
 # catalogue
 ln -s %{umingfontdir} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{catalogue}/%{name}-uming
@@ -128,13 +139,23 @@
 
 %files uming
 %defattr(-,root,root,-)
-%doc ttf-arphic-uming-%{version}/license
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/license
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/CONTRIBUTERS
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/Font_Comparison_ShanHeiSun_UMing.odt
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/Font_Comparison_ShanHeiSun_UMing.pdf
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/FONTLOG
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/INSTALL
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/KNOWN_ISSUES
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/NEWS
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/README
+%doc %{umingbuilddir}/TODO
 %dir %{umingfontdir}
 %dir %{_datadir}/fonts/zh_CN
 %dir %{_datadir}/fonts/zh_TW
 %dir %{_datadir}/fonts/zh_CN/TrueType
 %dir %{_datadir}/fonts/zh_TW/TrueType
-%{umingfontdir}/*.ttf
+%{umingfontdir}/*.ttc
+%{fcdir}/*-ttf-arphic-uming*.conf
 %{cidmapdir}/FAPIcidfmap.zh_TW
 

[Bug 457868] Update latest release from upstream.

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--- Comment #1 from Caius CHANCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-05 00:53:16 EDT 
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Building

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=758806

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[Bug 457868] Update latest release from upstream.

2008-08-04 Thread bugzilla
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serverbeach2 and serverbeach3 reboot

2008-08-04 Thread Ricky Zhou
serverbeach2 (asterisk1, collab1, ns1) and serverbeach3 (asterisk2,
collab2) mysteriously rebooted ~30 minutes ago.  Could it have been a
power problem of some sort?  There were no useful entries in
/var/log/messages or anything.  If we don't find any leads about this
tomorrow, could it be something worth asking ServerBeach about?  

Thanks,
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static F10 Alpha relnotes page

2008-08-04 Thread Karsten 'quaid' Wade
Do we want to turn this page static for the Alpha release?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Alpha/ReleaseNotes

I put out the last call for changes and am making a few myself.  Is
there a good target for calling to static for now?

We'll want to make sure we can edit it.  Perhaps as part of making it
static we can tell people to post changes to the talk page, then we'll
do irregular updates of the static content?

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Re: serverbeach2 and serverbeach3 reboot

2008-08-04 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 02:31 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
 serverbeach2 (asterisk1, collab1, ns1) and serverbeach3 (asterisk2,
 collab2) mysteriously rebooted ~30 minutes ago.  Could it have been a
 power problem of some sort?  There were no useful entries in
 /var/log/messages or anything.  If we don't find any leads about this
 tomorrow, could it be something worth asking ServerBeach about?  
 

yes, it is something worth inquiring about.

also - it looks like something on the systems was not running properly
b/c they all had a lot of unsendable mail.

hence all the undelivered mail notices.

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Re: static F10 Alpha relnotes page

2008-08-04 Thread Nigel Jones
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 01:57 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
 Do we want to turn this page static for the Alpha release?
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Alpha/ReleaseNotes
 
 I put out the last call for changes and am making a few myself.  Is
 there a good target for calling to static for now?
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure we need to worry about it until the
actual release (even them I'm not sure we'll need to).  The wiki's
internal caching and mod_cache seem to be useful enough together (yet a
pain for some other things) that for anonymous users it'll be cached
anyway.

We now have 3 machines handling wiki data, and it is from a fairly
powerful DB, so where the caching doesn't help the backend should be
able to pull the weight.
 
 We'll want to make sure we can edit it.  Perhaps as part of making it
 static we can tell people to post changes to the talk page, then we'll
 do irregular updates of the static content?
When making changes to the page, you'd need to go to
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Releases/10/Alpha/ReleaseNotesaction=purge
 (I'm 99% sure that this will work for all users).

Basically it'll wipe the MW cache etc and display the fresh copy.

I think this would be a rather interesting experiment and I am sure that
Mediawiki will pass with flying colours :).  And well, if it does turn
out we need to use static pages, then it's not that hard to do :).

- Nigel

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Re: serverbeach2 and serverbeach3 reboot

2008-08-04 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2008-08-04 08:17:50 AM, seth vidal wrote:
 yes, it is something worth inquiring about.
 
 also - it looks like something on the systems was not running properly
 b/c they all had a lot of unsendable mail.
 
 hence all the undelivered mail notices.
There was another problem that maybe have been related to undelivered
mail - apparently, since January 19th, there has been a FAS account
registered with the username root (I guess FAS1 didn't block this
one).  The account name was just changed to something else yesterday
:-/

Thanks,
Ricky


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Re: static F10 Alpha relnotes page

2008-08-04 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2008-08-05 12:57:54 AM, Nigel Jones wrote:
 I think this would be a rather interesting experiment and I am sure that
 Mediawiki will pass with flying colours :).  And well, if it does turn
 out we need to use static pages, then it's not that hard to do :).
+1 - I think mod_rewriting to static pages should be a thing of the
past :-)

Thanks,
Ricky


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Re: serverbeach2 and serverbeach3 reboot

2008-08-04 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 14:27 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
 On 2008-08-04 08:17:50 AM, seth vidal wrote:
  yes, it is something worth inquiring about.
  
  also - it looks like something on the systems was not running properly
  b/c they all had a lot of unsendable mail.
  
  hence all the undelivered mail notices.
 There was another problem that maybe have been related to undelivered
 mail - apparently, since January 19th, there has been a FAS account
 registered with the username root (I guess FAS1 didn't block this
 one).  The account name was just changed to something else yesterday
 :-/

/me shudders
root? seriously? Let's go ahead and validate all the other names we
don't like the idea of:

1. pretty much any daemon username in any pkg in fedora
2. all numerics
3. all of the base system usernames

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Re: serverbeach2 and serverbeach3 reboot

2008-08-04 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2008-08-04 02:27:19 PM, seth vidal wrote:
 /me shudders
 root? seriously? Let's go ahead and validate all the other names we
 don't like the idea of:
 
 1. pretty much any daemon username in any pkg in fedora
 2. all numerics
 3. all of the base system usernames
The current blacklist is in configs/web/applications/fas-prod.cfg.erb,
but we'll want to check current names as well.  

On the next FAS release, it's being changed from a regex to a
comma-separated list of strings.  The only other restriction on
usernames is that they must be lowercase alphanumeric, and must start
with a letter. 

Thanks,
Ricky


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kernel-vanilla builds for 2.6.27-rc1

2008-08-04 Thread Josh Boyer
http://jwboyer.fedorapeople.org/pub/

Let the kernel installs begin.

Hopefully I didn't fsck something up horridly.  If I did, then I'll fix
it for -rc2.

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Re: Problems with ralink (rt73) wireless USB connection

2008-08-04 Thread Colin Paul Adams
 Kevin == Kevin J Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kevin If you only intend to use your computer with a single
Kevin wireless access point, you might want to consider using the

That is my situation (it is a bedroom desktop and I want to remove the
long ethernet cable trailing down the stairs and through the kitchen).

 I checked the SSID and WEP key information (and I have other
 laptops - a MacBook Air and a Sony Windows XP machine) working
 on the router.
 
 How do I go about diagnosing the problem?

Kevin Look at your log files.  NetworkManager logs to
Kevin /var/log/messages for me.  There are also interesting

All it seems to say was that it could not determine the IP
information. (Also I had to turn SELinux to permissive mode - which I
think I will keep it there permanently - it is a real pain in the arse).

Kevin messages about your hardware's drivers when your system
Kevin boots as well.  the output from lsusb can help others
Kevin help you as well.

The latter is a little more informative, maybe.
It says RALink ... RT2501USB.

Under FC6 is said RT73USB.

And the device itself comes with a device driver for rt73 for FC4 (I
couldn't get it to work with FC6 - the instructions didn't match the
CD directory layout).

Kevin If your problem is that you've configured everything right,
Kevin and its just the access point negotiation that fails, the
Kevin logs from your router might contain useful information as
Kevin well.

Nothing there.
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Re: Problems with ralink (rt73) wireless USB connection

2008-08-04 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

Colin Paul Adams wrote:

Kevin == Kevin J Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Kevin If you only intend to use your computer with a single
Kevin wireless access point, you might want to consider using the

That is my situation (it is a bedroom desktop and I want to remove the
long ethernet cable trailing down the stairs and through the kitchen).


OK.  Have you tried to get this to work with WEP turned off?  Sometimes 
removing complexity can help.



 I checked the SSID and WEP key information (and I have other
 laptops - a MacBook Air and a Sony Windows XP machine) working
 on the router.


The Sony is using the router wirelessly as well?  I assume the router 
has a sufficient number of DHCP addresses to give out for your new 
computer as well, right?



 How do I go about diagnosing the problem?

Kevin Look at your log files.  NetworkManager logs to
Kevin /var/log/messages for me.  There are also interesting

All it seems to say was that it could not determine the IP
information. (Also I had to turn SELinux to permissive mode - which I
think I will keep it there permanently - it is a real pain in the arse).


More details from the log file please.  It may help.  When NM is 
confused, it usually fails to determine an IP because it hasn't set up 
to connect to the access point properly, usually because of some other 
reason.  Here the iwconfig and iwlist commands can be helpful.


I have not been successful at establishing a wireless connection using 
solely iwconfig, but that may be because I need to involve 
wpa_supplicant for my setup.  You may have better luck.


What does iwconfig have to say about your wireless card?

no comment on SEL.

I use WPA Personal security at my house.  AES encryption.  The last time 
I tried to connect to a WEP network, I was unable to (OK, that was back 
in June).  I'm not sure if that's been fixed since then or not, I 
haven't had the opportunity to try again.  No problems connecting to 
either open or WPA networks though.  Go figure.  Can you try to set your 
router to WPA or turn off security temporarily just long enough to run a 
connection test?  Are you running wpa_supplicant as a service?  (if so, 
try disabling it.)  Is the network service still enabled when you are 
trying to use NetworkManager?



Kevin messages about your hardware's drivers when your system
Kevin boots as well.  the output from lsusb can help others
Kevin help you as well.

The latter is a little more informative, maybe.
It says RALink ... RT2501USB.


I have been using an Intel 3945abg chip, so I have no experience with 
the other drivers.



Under FC6 is said RT73USB.

And the device itself comes with a device driver for rt73 for FC4 (I
couldn't get it to work with FC6 - the instructions didn't match the
CD directory layout).


I'm not surprised.  Much has changed since FC4.  What do your log files 
say about your wireless card during system boot?  This is important 
information to determine if linux is talking to a proper driver.  What 
does lsmod say about any wireless drivers that should be loaded?  Is 
there a line in your /etc/modprobe.conf file?  Is the module loaded?



Kevin If your problem is that you've configured everything right,
Kevin and its just the access point negotiation that fails, the
Kevin logs from your router might contain useful information as
Kevin well.

Nothing there.


grumble.   Need more details!

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wireshark and single byte multicast error

2008-08-04 Thread Skunk Worx

Hi,

I've been practicing my multicast socket programming and noticed if I 
send a single byte over multicast, and monitor via wireshark, I see a 
message in the top pane :


Destination port: port[Malformed Packet]

...and in the lower pane :

[Malformed Packet: DCP (ETSI)]

...instead of :

Data (1 byte)

...which is what I expected.

The packet length and checksum are ok. The packet gets read and the byte 
is displayed at the receiver.


Sending more than one byte is ok, data bytes are reported, no error shown.

Is it illegal to send one byte over multicast?

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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread g
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Tim wrote:
snip
 And that's your problem,

not my problem. if it cures having to change screen back and fort,
then it works.

 UTF-8, are the US-ASCII ones.  After that (character 127), there's
 differences. 

only characters needed to converse are less than 127.

 You have to use the correct encoding.

it is not me using wrong encoding.

 
 If you're seeing changes in fonts depending on the encoding used, have a

 play with your client's font preferences.  You might have to manually
 select font families for different encodings (named after localities,

screw that. this whole thing started us-ascii and then a bunch of crazy
asses, bgc included, came along and caused all of problems that make
whole frigging problem.

 probably want to untick the option to allow messages to use other fonts.

no way, hoza. like i said, i am not screen chasing.

 Fonts issues are one thing I really dislike about Firefox and
 Thunderbird, they've convoluted it all to hell, and use *pixel* sizes in
 a disastrous fashion.

it is not fault of mozilla products. it is fault of those who keep
trying to change it for their own personal likes.

how else are you going to do it if you do not do it by pixel??? think
about that before you answer.

just look at what has happened. really. nearly every time you open a
web page some clown has come up with some new whiz bang crappy new way
to wow public. all it is is more and more waste.

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Re: How to view You Tube videos using Free Software? Read on...

2008-08-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:20:18AM +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
 2008/8/4 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  One thing I didn't notice was something saying *how* does it play those
  proprietary content?  Has it jammed in some naughty decoders under the
  hood?  Is it really going to be any better at playing risky content?
 
 I think Miro uses the free Xine library to view content. Many of the
 decoder are possibly patent-encumbered, but they are licensed under a
 free software licenses and available in Livna, unlike the proprietary
 Adobe browser plugin.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qi Miro
Name: Miro Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 1.2.4 Vendor: Fedora Project
Release : 2.fc9 Build Date: Sex 18 Jul 2008 
22:49:59 WEST
Install Date: Dom 03 Ago 2008 19:49:04 WEST  Build Host: x86-5
Group   : Applications/Multimedia   Source RPM: Miro-1.2.4-2.fc9.src.rpm
Size: 22429793 License: GPLv2+
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Seg 21 Jul 2008 21:56:28 WEST, Key ID b44269d04f2a6fd2
Packager: Fedora Project
URL : http://www.getmiro.com/
Summary : Miro - Internet TV Player
Description :
Miro is a free application that turns your computer into an
internet TV video player. This release is still a beta version, which means
that there are some bugs, but we're moving quickly to fix them and will be
releasing bug fixes on a regular basis.


Not a livna version, neither the current libxine. Both RPMS are from
Fedora.

The thing is that I think flv is a container (I might be wrong) but the
codecs within may be (or not) supported.

With Miró, though, most problems I had were of reaching a youtube server
whose DB replica doesn't yet have the video I searched :)

Rui

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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 12:27:40PM +0930, Tim wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 19:40 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
  Yeah, it seems sometime in the past I lost my send_charset flag
  setting.
  
  So even though I was using UTF-8, mutt sent out
  
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 Did you really lose the configuration setting, or was it still set?  
 
 If what you've typed only uses the characters as in US-ASCII, then
 that's all it needs to send as (the first 127 characters of UTF-8 are
 the same as US-ASCII).
 
 Cutting and pasting into mail clients was a common problem with other
 systems, I don't know how Mutt would handle that.  Though I think Fedora
 handles that all internally in the same way.  Unlike some Windows
 clients, where a copy from a UTF-8 page into a client using Windows-1252
 encoding, often went bad, as the copy and paste didn't transcode.

mutt is an excellent console email client, but I don't think it guesses
anything about the set of bytes my $EDITOR returns it, or if it tries
to, it fails (as proven).

Since my environment is an UTF-8 one, there's no problem to define
send_charset as being UTF-8

Rui

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Re: 'Overlay' in terms of Live CD

2008-08-04 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 04 August 2008 05:22:24 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 13:21 +0930, Tim wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 16:52 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
   I tried creating the disk with 1024GB
 
  Surely not?  A terrabyte?

 You mean terrorbyte, surely :-)

 poc

:-)  Sorry - seem to have a lot of typos/runaway fingers, these days.  Still, 
you knew what I meant :-)

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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread g
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Tim wrote:
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 Did you really lose the configuration setting, or was it still set?

get off yahoo and you could use ctrl+u.


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Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies

2008-08-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 05:29:51PM -0700, Les wrote:
 Profanity in any public context is always rude, and unnecessary, as well
 as unclear.  If you don't have the vocabulary to express your
 intentions, then at least be polite and just say I don't understand
 'the unclear part'.

hell is profanity?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hell

:)

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Re: Installing printer driver

2008-08-04 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 03 August 2008 23:52:39 Adil Drissi wrote:
 Hi,

 My fedora 8 detected automatically the printer when turned it on. The
 problem is that it hasn't the right model so it made by default another
 model (i have sumsung ML-5010 and it assumed that it was compatible with
 5050). I keep all the default options but after that i am unable to print.
 So do you have any suggestions?

 Thanks

It doesn't look good.  I can't find any mention anywhere of this working with 
linux.  Your best bet is to try the model below, not the model above it.  
http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-5000a tells you 
what to expect and what driver it will use, if it works at all.

Anne


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Re: Creating a local repository

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:07:49 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

 and decided to create a repository. And it looks as if the 
 'createrepo' utility is broken.

How? Why don't you show what you've tried to execute and the result you've
got? A session log can tell more than a hundred words.

 Failed the same way there.

Failed how?

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Re: OT: Re: Replies to newbies

2008-08-04 Thread g
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
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 hell is profanity?
 
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hell

you could have sent him rest of it for a better understanding.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/profanity

then this would have really given him and bjorn something to do...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity#International_languages


 :)

:o))


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NFS mount points (directories) inaccessible in RunLevel 3

2008-08-04 Thread djgardner
I have seen the following issue on several and current Redhat Linux distros. 
I'd like to understand the problem and avoid it. More importantly, I want to 
fix the problem on my current server.

As root, I created 5 directories under /mnt and mounted remote directories via 
NFS. All was well for weeks.

I added a new hard drive (/dev/sdb) and mounted it under /tmp to  move files 
onto it. I umounted then remounted /dev/sdb1 in it's final location (/web.)

I then restarted the server and found the directory entries under /mnt were not 
visible and therefore, unable to be NFS mount points. The new drive mounted 
fine.

I dropped the server into Run Level 2 (from 3) and could see the five 
directories under /mnt.

This is driving me crazy, thus I am missing something. Can someone identify 
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Re: ssh / bind help?

2008-08-04 Thread Ed Greshko

William John Murray wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:


The value on an IP reverse lookup is unknown to me, there may be

none.

*That* was the question.



Well, the question was really how to get ssh working again.
I now know that if I ssh to an internal or external ip from
my home network I get this hang. 
  debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic

  debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.251.


You said 168.254.0.251 works and 168.254.0.251. doesn't.

I mean, can you ssh 168.254.0.251?

Can you cut/paste everything that you're doing so as to remove all guess 
work for the people trying to help?



But taking the same laptop to work it is fine. So I can only
assume that my home network is configured wrongly. I 
don't really  want to fiddle with ssh - but will do if

it fixes the problem.

That was why I posted bind.conf at the top of this thread.
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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno gio, 31/07/2008 alle 16.00 -0700, Antonio Olivares ha scritto:
  In firefox I can see and hear videos that are .mpg or.wmv
  but on youtube
  I can see the video but not hear the sound.
  
  How can this be fixed? This is f9 I am using.
 
 Try the following:
 
 # yum install libflashsupport
 
 Report back if that did the trick. 
Not work for me:

For test the new opensorce flash plugin today I have:

   88  yum remove flash-plugin.i386
   89  yum install swfdec gnash
   90  yum install libflashsupport
   91  ps -fea|grep fire
   94  ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins -l
   96  yum remove libflashsupport
   97  yum install libflashsupport
   99  mozilla-plugin-config -i -g -v

Now, if I run firefox I have this plugin active:
 
 Totem Web Browser Plugin 2.23.2
 
 Nome file: libtotem-basic-plugin.so
 The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams.
 
 Tipo MIME   Descrizione Estensione  Attivo
 application/x-ogg   -   ogg Sì
 ..
 video/flv   Video Flash flv Sì
 
But if I goto on YouTube:

 Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of
 Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. 

what's wrong?.

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Re: I am using Mozilla Firefox but the icons/fonts are too small ...

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Re: NFS mount points (directories) inaccessible in RunLevel 3

2008-08-04 Thread Alan Cox
 I dropped the server into Run Level 2 (from 3) and could see the five 
 directories under /mnt.
 
 This is driving me crazy, thus I am missing something. Can someone identify 
 that something?

You or a program mounted something else over /mnt perhaps which was
unmounted when you went back to run level 2 ?

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Re: subpixel LCD fonts smoothing

2008-08-04 Thread David Hláčik
Well, so i have installed freetype-freeworld, i am attaching here
screenshots with opened firefox - same page with Ubuntu , and same page with
Fedora.
If i can make to look Fedora looking like that, that i will switch to ubuntu
because smooth and good looking fonts are really important for me.

Well i know very good, that Ubuntu is using its optimized cairo , but this
is not about fonts, this is about way how fonts are antialiased and
smoothed! :((

Does that freetype-freeworld is also used for ubuntu fonts rendering? (or
they use something speciall)

1) Fedora 9 screenshot here http://www.hlacik.eu/fedora.bmp
2) Ubuntu 8.04 screenshot here http://www.hlacik.eu/ubuntu.bmp

Thanks in advance!

David

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 22:16 +0200, David Hláčik wrote:
  whoa - i have just tried lastest ubuntu desktop to compare fonts
  smoothing, because i really hate sandy fonts on fedora 9 - and i have
  noticed that their subpixel fonts smoothing on LCDs is really
  wonderfull , like on windows vista.

 Having used all three, I can't say I've noticed Ubuntu being wonderful.
 They're all about the same as each other, depending on the fonts in use
 (size and the typeface), and your graphics driver.  Web browsers add
 another spanner in the works, as they often do their own font rendering.

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Problem with display

2008-08-04 Thread Prateek Varshney
Hello
I have just installed fedora 9 on my system but when i boot i get a message
on my display Out of range.
I am using a AMD quad core processor with ATI HD 3800 On board graphics and
a benq 19 widescreen.
I want to change my resolution.
Can someone  help me in this?
Any help is welcome.
Thanks
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Re: ssh / bind help?

2008-08-04 Thread William John Murray

 Bill Davidsen wrote:
 
  The value on an IP reverse lookup is unknown to me, there may be
 none.
 
 *That* was the question.
 
 
Well, the question was really how to get ssh working again.
I now know that if I ssh to an internal or external ip from
my home network I get this hang. 
  debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic
  debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.251.

But taking the same laptop to work it is fine. So I can only
assume that my home network is configured wrongly. I 
don't really  want to fiddle with ssh - but will do if
it fixes the problem.

That was why I posted bind.conf at the top of this thread.
   Bill

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Re: ssh / bind help?

2008-08-04 Thread Björn Persson
William Murray wrote:
                I have 5 machines in a home network, all running F9, with
 named/bind providing local DNS.
 A couple of weeks ago a problem appeared: ssh hangs for internal  
 connections. No doubt
 I had misconfigured the thing years ago, as bind mystifies me, but an
 update must have triggered it.

 The problem is that reverse lookups hang forever; here is the end of
 ssh -vvv XXX
 debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic
 debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.251.
 Note the 'dot' at the end.

That dot probably marks the end of the sentence.

Is there a good reason why your home network is using addresses that, 
according to whois, belong to Hillsborough County Public Schools in the USA? 
(You seem to be in Great Britain.) I can't say I understand what the problem 
is but if you're using someone else's addresses, that might have something to 
do with it.

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Installing Realtek Ethernet Card on Fedora 9

2008-08-04 Thread morethanme
Hi all,

I'm trying to install the card using the files and instruction from the 
vendor's website as Fedora couldn't get the card working after the installation.

When using the make clean modules command, I get this:

[root@ localhost r8168-8.008.00]# make clean modules
make -C src/ clean
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
rm -rf *.o *.ko *~ core* .dep* .*.d .*.cmd *.mod.c *.a *.s .*.flags 
.tmp_versions Module.symvers Modules.symvers *.order
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
make -C src/ modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.25-14.fc9.i686/build 
SUBDIRS=/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src modules
make: Entering an unknown directory
make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-14.fc9.i686/build: No such file or directory.  
Stop.
make: Leaving an unknown directory
make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
make: *** [modules] Error 2
[root@ localhost r8168-8.008.00]# 
And eventually can't continue the installation.
As I read through, I used yum to update the kernel-devel package, but with no 
luck.

Thanks,

more
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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 04 August 2008, Dario Lesca wrote:
Il giorno gio, 31/07/2008 alle 16.00 -0700, Antonio Olivares ha scritto:
  In firefox I can see and hear videos that are .mpg or.wmv
  but on youtube
  I can see the video but not hear the sound.
 
  How can this be fixed? This is f9 I am using.

 Try the following:

 # yum install libflashsupport

 Report back if that did the trick.

Not work for me:

For test the new opensorce flash plugin today I have:

   88  yum remove flash-plugin.i386
   89  yum install swfdec gnash
   90  yum install libflashsupport
   91  ps -fea|grep fire
   94  ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins -l
   96  yum remove libflashsupport
   97  yum install libflashsupport
   99  mozilla-plugin-config -i -g -v

Now, if I run firefox I have this plugin active:
 Totem Web Browser Plugin 2.23.2

 Nome file: libtotem-basic-plugin.so
 The Totem 2.23.2 plugin handles video and audio streams.

 Tipo MIME   Descrizione Estensione  Attivo
 application/x-ogg   -   ogg Sì
 ..
 video/flv   Video Flash flv Sì

But if I goto on YouTube:
 Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of
 Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.

what's wrong?.

NoScript?  Just a thought.

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Re: Installing Realtek Ethernet Card on Fedora 9

2008-08-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik

morethanme writes:


Hi all,

I'm trying to install the card using the files and instruction from the 
vendor's website as Fedora couldn't get the card working after the installation.

When using the make clean modules command, I get this:

[root@ localhost r8168-8.008.00]# make clean modules
make -C src/ clean
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
rm -rf *.o *.ko *~ core* .dep* .*.d .*.cmd *.mod.c *.a *.s .*.flags 
.tmp_versions Module.symvers Modules.symvers *.order
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
make -C src/ modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.25-14.fc9.i686/build 
SUBDIRS=/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src modules
make: Entering an unknown directory
make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-14.fc9.i686/build: No such file or directory.  
Stop.
make: Leaving an unknown directory
make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Aiman/Download/r8168-8.008.00/src'
make: *** [modules] Error 2
[root@ localhost r8168-8.008.00]# 
And eventually can't continue the installation.

As I read through, I used yum to update the kernel-devel package, but with no 
luck.


You must have the wrong version of kernel-devel installed. You're running an 
older kernel, but you probably updated to the most recent kernel-devel 
package. You must install a matching version of kernel-devel for your 
running kernel.





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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread Tim
Tim:
 And that's your problem,

g:
 not my problem. if it cures having to change screen back and fort,
 then it works.

It certainly is, if you're going to bitch about other people's emails
not rendering intelligibly, as you've done before, when the only thing
wrong is that YOU are mangling them.  I think this episode is at least
the third time that you've moaned about someone's text, when there was
nothing wrong with it.

 You have to use the correct encoding.

 it is not me using wrong encoding.

Erm, yes it is, when you force the client to believe an encoding is
being used, when it really isn't.  You were the one seeing mangled text,
the rest of us saw it quite fine.  The original post was sent correctly.
And none of us had to do anything special, at all, to read it properly.

 play with your client's font preferences.  You might have to manually
 select font families for different encodings (named after localities,

 screw that. this whole thing started us-ascii and then a bunch of crazy
 asses, bgc included, came along and caused all of problems that make
 whole frigging problem.

Who, the hell, is bgc???  ;-\

For what it's worth, US-ASCII has always been inadequate, even for plain
old English.  Yep, despite what many would think, English, itself, uses
more than A to Z, 0 to 9, and more than the scant punctuation found on
the QWERTY keyboard.  Accented words are part of English.  When English
adopts a word from a foreign country, it keeps it as is.  Lazily over
time, accented letters lose their accents, but the accented word is
still correctly part of the language, and US-ASCII is *useless* for
representing it.  Ligatures are part of English, ENCYCLOPÆDIA is a
correct way to spell the word in the English language, but US-ASCII is
*useless* for representing it.  And there's a plethora of proper
punctuation that US-ASCII cannot do.

 probably want to untick the option to allow messages to use other fonts.

 no way, hoza. like i said, i am not screen chasing.

Of course, everyone must pander to you.  Everyone must use the lowest
common denominator...

I'll give you a hint - a hammer is not a screwdriver.  And the name
you're trying to say would be José, but US-ASCII is incapable of it, and
you're not even close.  You probably think voilà is spelt walla, too...

 Fonts issues are one thing I really dislike about Firefox and
 Thunderbird, they've convoluted it all to hell, and use *pixel* sizes in
 a disastrous fashion.

 it is not fault of mozilla products. it is fault of those who keep
 trying to change it for their own personal likes.

The mess of font selection in Mozilla isn't their own fault?  You try
figuring out what they've done.  Something is determined to be Western,
or not, depending on whether it used ISO-8859-1, or UTF-8, and/or
something else.  And they certainly don't give you any easy way to
select the same font for all languages, if you happened to have one that
could manage.  You have to plough through each region, one by one,
customising each one individually, if the defaults aren't good.  Those
who designed Mozilla designed that mess, it IS their fault for such a
crappy way of setting fonts.

 how else are you going to do it if you do not do it by pixel??? think
 about that before you answer.

Um, you seem to have missed the POINT about how to set font sizes, pun
intended.  If the fonts *really* were 16 pixels as the program likes to
pretend, on one screen they'd look like flea poo, on another they'd be
quite big.  Setting font sizes using pixels as the reference point is an
incredibly DUMB way to do it, made even more worse by not actually using
the pixel as the size (it's scaled, yet still calling itself pixel
size).  You can see that nasty effect when you do calibrate a system
properly, putting the *real* DPI into your configuration (that's the
dots per inch that's available to draw with, not something else).

Font sizing should be done by a system like points, where you can pick
an actual font size, absolutely, and the computer system figures out how
many pixels to draw it with.  You want 12 point type on page, you ask
for it and get it in one go, without diddling up and down trying to find
a pixel size that gives you 12 point text.

It's made all the more worse when some dingbat web author doesn't
understand this, and sets pages with 6 pixel or 60 pixel text, because
that looks fine on *their* monitor.

 just look at what has happened. really. nearly every time you open a
 web page some clown has come up with some new whiz bang crappy new way
 to wow public. all it is is more and more waste.

Talk about going off on a tangent...

Yes, I am razzing you.  You left yourself wide open.

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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno lun, 04/08/2008 alle 06.47 -0400, Gene Heskett ha scritto:

 NoScript?  Just a thought.

Yes. I use NoScript, 1.7.7.
But YouTube is allow.

I have also test YouTube with another new user, with a new standard
profile: The problem is the same.

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Re: How to remove a user. Problems after firstboot crashed on F9

2008-08-04 Thread Nigel Henry
On Monday 04 August 2008 04:41, Tim wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 20:28 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
  The question is. How do I remove the original user that was partially
  setup before firstboot crashed.

 Command line:  userdel
 GUI tool:  system-config-users

Tried that after Aaron suggested it, and recreated the same user with useradd 
afterwards, but no change.

  If I run adduser, It says that djmons is already a user, but logging
  in as djmons has no access to /home/djmons, as apparently
  the /home/djmons directory does not exist.

 You could try making the directory, changing its ownership to
 djmons:djmons, then seeing if KDE or Gnome creates the files it needs
 when you log in.

Well the /home/djmons directory did exist, and /etc/group shows djmons there, 
but the permissions for /home/djmons were set for User root, Group root.

Simply changing them to djmons has resolved the problem. A confusing at 
first problem, but as it turned out, dead easy to fix.

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 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686

Thanks to both you and Aaron for the replies.

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Re: subpixel LCD fonts smoothing

2008-08-04 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Sunday 03 August 2008 05:22:07 pm David Hláčik wrote:
 So far, i have found on forums there is no difference. So after installing
 that freetype-freeword font smoothing on Fedora 9 will be same as on Ubuntu?

Well, it's not that straight forward.  To simplify the matter, there are two 
things:  rendering engine (and how it is configured, e.g subpixel hinting 
etc) and the other is the typeface itself :)  So if you want to compare a 
particular version of Ubuntu with a particular version of Fedora you need to 
check those 2 things, at least.  

Regarding the freetype world package...Once you install it you need to enable 
subpixel hinting in your Desktop Environment (KDE or GNOME or whatever).   In 
KDE you need to go to Control Center/Fonts and then enable use 
anti-aliasing and once there click Configure to enable subpixel hinting.  

HTH,
Jorge

p.d Also you need to check if the dpi for your monitor is the same on both 
distros...Google is your friend.

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Re: disk controller/device errors?

2008-08-04 Thread Jeffrey Ross

Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 22:15 -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
  

The errors are pretty regular, almost every 56 minutes and while the
DVD and CD disks are idle.



With discs in the drives, or not?

I see occasional errors when there's discs in the drives (typically
associated with inserting a disc, when it first tries to read it), but
none when there's not.

  


Drives are currently empty and the errors continue.

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Re: ssh / bind help?

2008-08-04 Thread William Murray

William John Murray wrote:


 Bill Davidsen wrote:



 The value on an IP reverse lookup is unknown to me, there may be
  

 none.

 *That* was the question.




 Well, the question was really how to get ssh working again.
 I now know that if I ssh to an internal or external ip from
 my home network I get this hang. 
   debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic

   debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.251.
  


You said 168.254.0.251 works and 168.254.0.251. doesn't.

I mean, can you ssh 168.254.0.251?

Can you cut/paste everything that you're doing so as to remove all guess 
work for the people trying to help?



 Thanks, sorry for not being clear.


billmurray ssh -Y 168.254.0.1.
ssh: Could not resolve hostname 168.254.0.1.: Name or service not known


billmurray ssh -Y -vvv 168.254.0.1  


debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic
debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.1.
^C

billmurray ssh -Y -vvv base.ashenden  


debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic
debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.1.
^C

But...I found a work-around: Removing 
	GSSAPIAuthentication yes

from /etc/ssh/ssh_config
has made GSSAPI go away,  and hence the problem goes away too..
  
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Re: subpixel LCD fonts smoothing

2008-08-04 Thread David Hláčik
Well i have same font sizes, same resolution, same DPI, LCD subpixel hinting
full, still weird not nice

D.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Jorge Fábregas [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Sunday 03 August 2008 05:22:07 pm David Hláčik wrote:
  So far, i have found on forums there is no difference. So after
 installing
  that freetype-freeword font smoothing on Fedora 9 will be same as on
 Ubuntu?

 Well, it's not that straight forward.  To simplify the matter, there are
 two
 things:  rendering engine (and how it is configured, e.g subpixel hinting
 etc) and the other is the typeface itself :)  So if you want to compare a
 particular version of Ubuntu with a particular version of Fedora you need
 to
 check those 2 things, at least.

 Regarding the freetype world package...Once you install it you need to
 enable
 subpixel hinting in your Desktop Environment (KDE or GNOME or whatever).
 In
 KDE you need to go to Control Center/Fonts and then enable use
 anti-aliasing and once there click Configure to enable subpixel hinting.

 HTH,
 Jorge

 p.d Also you need to check if the dpi for your monitor is the same on both
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Re: subpixel LCD fonts smoothing

2008-08-04 Thread David Hláčik
So, guys ... what about now? :)

http://www.hlacik.eu/fedora_fixed.bmp

D.


2008/8/4 David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Well i have same font sizes, same resolution, same DPI, LCD subpixel
 hinting full, still weird not nice

 D.

   On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Jorge Fábregas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:

 On Sunday 03 August 2008 05:22:07 pm David Hláčik wrote:
  So far, i have found on forums there is no difference. So after
 installing
  that freetype-freeword font smoothing on Fedora 9 will be same as on
 Ubuntu?

 Well, it's not that straight forward.  To simplify the matter, there are
 two
 things:  rendering engine (and how it is configured, e.g subpixel hinting
 etc) and the other is the typeface itself :)  So if you want to compare a
 particular version of Ubuntu with a particular version of Fedora you need
 to
 check those 2 things, at least.

 Regarding the freetype world package...Once you install it you need to
 enable
 subpixel hinting in your Desktop Environment (KDE or GNOME or whatever).
 In
 KDE you need to go to Control Center/Fonts and then enable use
 anti-aliasing and once there click Configure to enable subpixel
 hinting.

 HTH,
 Jorge

 p.d Also you need to check if the dpi for your monitor is the same on both
 distros...Google is your friend.

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Re: ssh / bind help?

2008-08-04 Thread Ed Greshko

William Murray wrote:

 William John Murray wrote:


 Bill Davidsen wrote:

   

 The value on an IP reverse lookup is unknown to me, there may be
  

 none.

 *That* was the question.




 Well, the question was really how to get ssh working again.
 I now know that if I ssh to an internal or external ip from
 my home network I get this hang.debug1: Next authentication 
method: gssapi-with-mic

   debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.251.
 
You said 168.254.0.251 works and 168.254.0.251. doesn't.


I mean, can you ssh 168.254.0.251?

Can you cut/paste everything that you're doing so as to remove all 
guess work for the people trying to help?



 Thanks, sorry for not being clear.


billmurray ssh -Y 168.254.0.1.ssh: Could not resolve hostname 
168.254.0.1.: Name or service not known


billmurray ssh -Y -vvv 168.254.0.1  
debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic
debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.1.


As mentioned by someone else the . at the end of the debug3 statement is 
actually a period as in end of sentence.


Nothing is wrong

But the other question is validwhy are you using someones assigned IP 
addresses?



^C

billmurray ssh -Y -vvv base.ashenden  
debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic
debug3: Trying to reverse map address 168.254.0.1.
^C

But...I found a work-around: Removing GSSAPIAuthentication yes
from /etc/ssh/ssh_config
has made GSSAPI go away,  and hence the problem goes away too..
 Bill



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Re: Wireless LAN cards for Fedora?

2008-08-04 Thread Todd Denniston

Bill Davidsen wrote, On 08/02/2008 12:10 PM:

Todd Zullinger wrote:

Colin Paul Adams wrote:

It doesn't seem to be available for FC6.


Fedora Core 6 is not supported and hasn't been for well over a year.

Actually, since this is all noarch stuff which doesn't depend on 
release, that's irrelevant, other than his needed to download it by hand.



http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle/EOL

Since some hardware vendors haven't moved beyond FC6, a lot of people 
need to stay with it. Ubuntu has a better idea here, to make a version 
every once in a while a LTS version, to encourage vendors to support it.




If you consider RHEL to be part of the Fedora ecosystem then
RHEL 5+ or Centos 5+ would be the LTS version of FC6.


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Re: What are dm-x devices?

2008-08-04 Thread Steve

 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 What are /dev/dm-0 through to /dev/dm-3?  They are listed as block devices, 
 and owned root:disk.  Looking at gkrellm, dm-0 and dm-2 appear to mirror the 
 activity of my system disk, sdb.

They have something to do with LVM is about all I can tell you.
Hopefully you'll get a better one from somebody.

 Then there are sr0 and sr1 - what are they?  Again, I can't see much in the 
 way of a clue.
 
No idea,
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Re: What are dm-x devices?

2008-08-04 Thread Anders Karlsson
* Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080804 14:43]:
 What are /dev/dm-0 through to /dev/dm-3?  They are listed as block devices, 
 and owned root:disk.  Looking at gkrellm, dm-0 and dm-2 appear to mirror the 
 activity of my system disk, sdb.

Device mapper device-nodes. Look in /dev/mapper/ and you'll see them
again, but with different names.

 Then there are sr0 and sr1 - what are they?  Again, I can't see much in the 
 way of a clue.

Optical recording devices usually. You have two CD-writers (or
equivalent) attached?

/Anders

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kdm stops with BadWindow

2008-08-04 Thread Herbert Gasiorowski

Being not content with GDM I tried use KDM but it will not show up!

Here is the /var/log/kdm.log:

X.Org X Server 1.4.99.905 (1.5.0 RC 5)
Release Date: 5 September 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-92.1.6.el5xen i686
Current Operating System: Linux owando 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Mon Jul 21 
01:31:09 EDT 2008 i686

Build Date: 02 July 2008  01:36:37PM
Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.4.99.905-2.20080702.fc9
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Mon Aug  4 15:36:09 2008
(==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
expected keysym, got XF86Info: line 914 of inet
expected keysym, got XF86Info: line 914 of inet
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
 Warning:  Type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, but RALT has 2 symbols
   Ignoring extra symbols
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
kdmgreet(3638)/kdecore (KLocale) KLocalePrivate::initEncoding:  Defaulting to 
ISO 8859-1 encoding.

X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  8 (X_MapWindow)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  6088
  Current serial number in output stream:  6146

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Re: F8 F9: Date Time

2008-08-04 Thread Todd Denniston

Daniel B. Thurman wrote, On 08/01/2008 09:28 PM:

Jeremy wrote:

Hello Dan,

Do you have the ntp daemon installed? If so check your /etc/ntp.conf 
file. Also check if the ntp daemon is running (system - administartion 
- services).


Jeremy

Uh oh, top posting? ;)

Yes, ntp is running and is properly, I believe.  It snaps in
once I get the time setting close enough.  Somehow time
is off anywhere from 2-8 hours in the past or in the future
after a reboot.


A) are you dual booting with windows or any other OS/distribution (even 
another instance of Fedora)?

   {perhaps the other OS thinks the hardware clock is/[is not] on UTC.}

B) what are the contents of /etc/adjtime and /etc/sysconfig/clock?
   {repeat this question for each instance of Fedora|Unix installed on the 
machine.}


C) it seems strange that the /etc/rc.d/init.d/ntpd is not syncing the clock 
before kicking off ntpd.

you may need to add the following line to /etc/sysconfig/ntpd
dostep=yes

D) have you tried adding '-g' to OPTIONS=... in /etc/sysconfig/ntpd ?


E) are you using a static IP or dynamic?
   on a wired network or wireless?
 {Network manager (the default now) works well on wireless dynamic IP 
networks, but from what has been said on this list, if you are on a wired 
network using static IP's then it is best to `chkconfig NetworkManager off`, 
`chkconfig network on`.  if you are on static wireless or dynamic wired, it is 
a tossup as to which is best to use.   NM has been set to come up AFTER many 
of the services that REQUIRE networking.}


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Re: F8 F9 (i386/i686): Problems with sendmail dovecot

2008-08-04 Thread Bill Davidsen

Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 22:37 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Keep your hardware clock in UTC. Everywhere. The most common cause of 
this is the clock is in UTC in Linux and the machine is infected with
a trojan called Windows which defaults to local time. It will run 
hardware clock in UTC, you just have to slap it up aside the
registry. 


Going from what I've read, you can't get Windows to run in UTC.  There's
registry options for it, but system problems with attempting it.

I ran it for several years on Win2k and a year or so on XP. Actually the 
XP boot on one of my old laptops still works right and doesn't mess up 
Linux (FC4), so I will cautiously say that you can.


At any rate I believe that's your problem.

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Re: Installing printer driver

2008-08-04 Thread Adil Drissi
Hi,

Sory i made an error while typing last time. The model is 2510, i found it in 
the site you gave me. But i don't know how to use tht infomation for installing 
it:
http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2510

Thanks


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 From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Installing printer driver
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com
 Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:09 AM
 On Sunday 03 August 2008 23:52:39 Adil Drissi wrote:
  Hi,
 
  My fedora 8 detected automatically the printer when
 turned it on. The
  problem is that it hasn't the right model so it
 made by default another
  model (i have sumsung ML-5010 and it assumed that it
 was compatible with
  5050). I keep all the default options but after that i
 am unable to print.
  So do you have any suggestions?
 
  Thanks
 
 It doesn't look good.  I can't find any mention
 anywhere of this working with 
 linux.  Your best bet is to try the model below, not the
 model above it.  
 http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-5000a
 tells you 
 what to expect and what driver it will use, if it works at
 all.
 
 Anne


  

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Re: ssh / bind help?

2008-08-04 Thread Bill Davidsen

Russell Miller wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:
Adding the trailing dot, for names, prevents the value of the 'search' 
field in /etc/resolve.com from being used. So

  host fubar.bazfaz.net
could resolve to fubar.bazfaz.net.your.domain, if your DNS has a 
wildcard MX record (like *.your.domain) would return a pointer to the 
mail server for any address in your domain. If you add a trailing dot 
that doesn't happen.


The value on an IP reverse lookup is unknown to me, there may be none.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think that trailing dot will cause it to 
treat it as a forward and not a reverse lookup.  Remember reverse 
lookups get translated to 4oc.3oc.2oc.1oc.in-addr.arpa.


You are absolutely correct, it looks as if the host command strips the 
dot (I get an answer), while the dig command sends a query to a root 
server for the name as a forward lookup and gets back a NX-domain 
(invalid domain name) response.


I still see no utility to this, there are no numeric TLDs and are 
unlikely to ever be any.


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Re: What are dm-x devices?

2008-08-04 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 04 August 2008 14:45:07 Anders Karlsson wrote:
 * Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080804 14:43]:
  What are /dev/dm-0 through to /dev/dm-3?  They are listed as block
  devices, and owned root:disk.  Looking at gkrellm, dm-0 and dm-2 appear
  to mirror the activity of my system disk, sdb.

 Device mapper device-nodes. Look in /dev/mapper/ and you'll see them
 again, but with different names.

  Then there are sr0 and sr1 - what are they?  Again, I can't see much in
  the way of a clue.

 Optical recording devices usually. You have two CD-writers (or
 equivalent) attached?

Yes, that makes sense.  There is an ancient CD-writer and a DVD writer.

Thanks for the reply.

Anne




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Re: disk controller/device errors?

2008-08-04 Thread Vikram Goyal
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:12:02AM -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
 Tim wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 22:15 -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
   
 The errors are pretty regular, almost every 56 minutes and while the
 DVD and CD disks are idle.
 

 With discs in the drives, or not?

 I see occasional errors when there's discs in the drives (typically
 associated with inserting a disc, when it first tries to read it), but
 none when there's not.

   

 Drives are currently empty and the errors continue.


Could be power related problems. Is your system heavily loaded with many
hard drives, game card etc. This normally is SMPS related.

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SoundBlaster USB audio harshly distored

2008-08-04 Thread Claude Jones
I have run the Alsa Information Script and the results can be seen here:
http://pastebin.ca/1092537
This an Asus G2S-B2 laptop - Core Duo, 3GB ram
The USB soundcard is the SB0300 (Audigy NX 2)
Almost always, when I fire up the computer, I get very harsh distorted sound 
from the Soundblaster, though rarely, it will come out real clean; when it 
does, it never lasts more than a few seconds, and then the distortion returns. 
A headset plugged directly into the Audigy produces clean sound every time. 
The intel audio that's built in to the laptop produces clean sound, always. 
It's not very satisfying because the built in speakers aren't very loud, and 
I'm slightly hard of hearing. The output of the SoundBlaster Audigy is being 
fed to a pair of Bose speakers, whose quality, as well as volume, is far 
better than the built-in speakers. I'd read somewhere about changing the 
default sample rate from 44100 to 48000, which I tried to do in .asoundrc with 
the following:

pcm.rate_convert {
type plug
slave {
pcm hw:0,0
rate 48000
}
}

This had no effect. Any help gratefully appreciated...
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Re: Disk error

2008-08-04 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Patrick Dupre wrote:
snip
ok. we are getting closer.

now, cutting old history is making things easier, but there is still
some kind of problem with emails. here after, when you reply, put 1 line
space after what you are replying to. this should clear up what i am
getting on this end.

for these next questions, please answer *each* question and after each.

  sha1sum /dev/sr0
 7675a64b7c57558a554aeb2be934e1e96bd36962  /dev/sr0

1] which system and drive did above come from?


}} on: 08/03/2008 07:19 PM, you posted;
}} sha1sum /dev/sr0
}} 780a625141cc355305c9631f08981eb632cac0b9  /dev/sr0

2] which system and drive did above come from?


3] what does you sha1sum file show sum should be?


after receiving above, and drive/disk info below, then more
answers suggestions to possible solution to your problems.

 The media is -R, but when I bought it I choose a -+R.

use '+r' only. someone may have shifted a '-r' into '+r' section to
catch you. check container label, if it shows '+r' and you have '-r',
you need to return them.

**_do_not_** get r/w disk. they can go bad during reusing and are not
worth what you save. they are ok for periodic backups, but only if you
make 3 sets or do not mind chancing a loss of data.

mag tape is only dependable r/w media and even then you can lose data.

 With K3b, I do not see how to check, no read option

[most all good and well written programs within a gui window will have
 a 'menu bar'. any time you open a new program, check each selection.
 this will help answer many questions and you do not have to on others.]

open k3b, select 'settings  configure k3b  devices' this will show
drive specs. note what it can read and what it can burn.

for cd/dvd disks, with disk in tray, in upper left of k3b, you will see
a disk icon and drive listed. right click on icon, note menu. select
'disk info', this information will tell you what disk specs are.

 It is a  NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A, but this not the reader which
 makes problems !

ok. you need k3b on system that has drive giving problems or use google.
with k3b, do above information checks on it also. it is possible that
drive is not able to read dvd type that you have burned.


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Re: How to swee youtube videos,

2008-08-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno lun, 04/08/2008 alle 10.56 +0200, Dario Lesca ha scritto:
 Il giorno gio, 31/07/2008 alle 16.00 -0700, Antonio Olivares ha scritto:
   In firefox I can see and hear videos that are .mpg or.wmv
   but on youtube
   I can see the video but not hear the sound.
   
   How can this be fixed? This is f9 I am using.
  
  Try the following:
  
  # yum install libflashsupport
  
  Report back if that did the trick. 
 Not work for me:
 
 For test the new open source flash plugin today I have:

Is this the answer?

 rpm -qi swfdec
 .
 Description :
 swfdec is a library for rendering Adobe Flash animations. Currently it handles
 most Flash 3, 4 and many Flash 7 videos.

... but not Flash 8...

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Re: Planned Obsolesce

2008-08-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:04:29AM +, Robert wrote:
 A reply to a the posting in this group caused me to stop, step back, and 
 consider a different respective.  The reply pointed out that Fedora core 
 6 was supported until one month after the release of Fedora 8.  With 
 releases scheduled every 6 months, any release has a supported life of 
 only 13 months.  The phrase �planned obsolesce� comes to mind.

Yes, that's by design, unless you'd like to start a fund for paying
people to maintain Fedora releases longer :)

There was a project called Fedora Legacy precisely for providing some
maintenance for older releases, but the man power wasn't enough and the
project eventually shutdown.

There are other distribution with LONGER support periods, you could try
Red Hat Enterprise [GNU/]Linux or CentOS (if you want to keep on the Red
Hat family).

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Re: Planned Obsolesce

2008-08-04 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 04 August 2008 04:04:29 Robert wrote:
 Hello World,

 As time allows, work is proceeding on moving to a new computer so that an
 older one can be taken down and recommissioned.  This activity provides a
 rational for catching up on newsgroups.  Usenet continues to be a good
 source of information.

 A reply to a the posting in this group caused me to stop, step back, and
 consider a different respective.  The reply pointed out that Fedora core
 6 was supported until one month after the release of Fedora 8.  With
 releases scheduled every 6 months, any release has a supported life of
 only 13 months.  The phrase �planned obsolesce� comes to mind.

 I probably run an operating system install longer than most.  Of the
 machines at home and work that come to mind, one is running 5, two are at
 6, one at 7, with the latest running 8.  Due to several bad experiences,
 newer versions are installed only when the machine can be taken down and
 the disks reformatted.  Running an older version is not the end of the
 world, but a 13 month support cycle seams a bit short.

 The box running Fedora 8 originally received Fedora 9.  It was for a
 project that needed to move forward.  The state of KDE made that
 imposable and Fedora 8 was installed.  That project is now over.  I now
 realize that support will end one month after the release of 10, or in
 around 6 months.

 I can see the value of time based releases for publicity and scheduling
 purposes.  It may not be the best thing for those needing continued
 utility and stability.

 On a different note, my thanks goes out to those who have made open
 source work.

Hi, Robert.  Fedora is not the best choice in your situation.  You would be 
much happier with one of the Enterprise clones - CentOS, Scientific Linux, 
and one or two others come to mind.  CentOS is now at 5.2, and is very like 
Fedora Core 6.  It has a very long support cycle (about 5 years, IIRC).

You might like to try F10 when it comes out, on one less critical box.  KDE is 
already fairly stable, but not yet complete.  There's going to be a learning 
curve, though, even when it's complete.

HTH

Anne



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Re: no sound with totem

2008-08-04 Thread Bjoern Schiessle
Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 1 - install package xmms-mp3 (will play mp3)

xmms-mp3 plays mp3 files like rhythmbox which uses also gstreamer.

 2 - execute 'totem-backend -b xine' (should help with online mp4)

i have also tried the xine backend with the same result: no sound if i
play audio/video files with totem. If i play the with other apps i have
sound.

This is really strange. Gstreamer should be able to play these files
with sound like i can see if i use other applications. But with totem i
have no sound on my notebook. On my desktop PC with the same packages
installed totem can play these files with sound. But i have no idea
where i should start to find the problem on my laptop.

best wishes,
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