Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme
Hi, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Michael Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On an operating system, far far away,, we were deep. We were busy slaving away in front of our lovely Fedora 9-run computer, hacking away at graphics for our theme proposals. Three rounds in, and we were down to four options. When it came down to it, we decided that we were no longer content with staying on this planet. The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided to blast off into space and go Solar. We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. Official winning order: Solar InvinXble Gears Neon My favorite is Solar theme. Best regards, -- Ricardo Ichizo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: William Jon McCann a écrit : Hi Bill, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the experience given. Is that the case? No. I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango icon themes. See the baseset[1]. Also there are issue on system-Administration that neither gnome nor tango addressed that were done on Echo theme. If the system - Administration looks out of place with the rest of the system, does it help to introduce another icon style so the rest of the system looks out of place instead? A icon set is a mighty beast, bigger than it might appear at first. It have taken about 3 years for the 6-7 core icon developers upstream (with several others occasionally helping out) to where it is now. We're welcoming all interested contributors to help out upstream with open arms. I've had a very good experience with working together on with Fedora developers in GNOME and would love for more collaboration to happen. btw, big thanks to Mike Langlie, who did a great job on the icons for Packagekit! - Andreas ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Andreas Nilsson wrote: If the system - Administration looks out of place with the rest of the system, does it help to introduce another icon style so the rest of the system looks out of place instead? But Echi is not going to be used exclusively for the Administration menu, but for the entire menu, so the icons will be consistent. A icon set is a mighty beast, bigger than it might appear at first. It have taken about 3 years for the 6-7 core icon developers upstream (with several others occasionally helping out) to where it is now. We're welcoming all interested contributors to help out upstream with open arms. I've had a very good experience with working together on with Fedora developers in GNOME and would love for more collaboration to happen. Hopefully, we can leverage your experience and make use of the useful things you discovered, like the one canvas workflow or some icon metaphors and don't reinvent the wheel, just paint it differently. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New system-run icon set
Martin Sourada wrote: I wasn't still happy about it so I decided to redo it from scratch. The sprockets are now distributed evenly and the top gear is smaller. It's still not there yet I think, but I leave the rest of the tweaking for you. Having the second gear smaller is a suggestion I wanted to make but I was shy about it: it was late in the discuss and I may sound much like a whiner which contribute only with words and no actual work to the icon set... So +1 from me There is still a minor observation: in the 256x256 version it looks like the small gear is not on the same plane with the other, like it is a bit backward, so maybe raise it a bit (overlap more the two gears). Reference: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/system-run.svg -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New system-run icon set
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:52 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Having the second gear smaller is a suggestion I wanted to make but I was shy about it: it was late in the discuss and I may sound much like a whiner which contribute only with words and no actual work to the icon set... Don't be shy about that. Suggestions and comments are also welcome contribution, if you are not confident enough to draw the icons yourself :-) So +1 from me There is still a minor observation: in the 256x256 version it looks like the small gear is not on the same plane with the other, like it is a bit backward, so maybe raise it a bit (overlap more the two gears). Hm... I didn't want the gears to touch, and being slightly apart, it creates the unwanted effect of not being on the same plane... Reference: http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/system-run.svg Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of place. All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to do it all over again. It's not very hard to make Echo look integrated with the upstream icons, without losing its characteristics. Echo already got the thick outer stroke, i think what's most out of place is the weird perspective. What you will see happening is toolbars in applications using different kinds of icon perspectives. At least that's what I think of it. I'm not just criticising, but if you agree I will put my money where my mouth is and help out. Hylke On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Nilsson wrote: If the system - Administration looks out of place with the rest of the system, does it help to introduce another icon style so the rest of the system looks out of place instead? But Echi is not going to be used exclusively for the Administration menu, but for the entire menu, so the icons will be consistent. A icon set is a mighty beast, bigger than it might appear at first. It have taken about 3 years for the 6-7 core icon developers upstream (with several others occasionally helping out) to where it is now. We're welcoming all interested contributors to help out upstream with open arms. I've had a very good experience with working together on with Fedora developers in GNOME and would love for more collaboration to happen. Hopefully, we can leverage your experience and make use of the useful things you discovered, like the one canvas workflow or some icon metaphors and don't reinvent the wheel, just paint it differently. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 15:28 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote: I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of place. All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to do it all over again. I guess you are wrong here - you are talking only about GTK/Gnome applications, but Fedora equally supports QT/KDE applications, that use totally different style (oxygen). And because we want full desktop integration for both QT and GTK applications we are left with no other choice that create our own icons style that will not clash very much with either of them. The perspective choices were done by Diana when she started the icon set some years ago and we're probably not going to rethink them. Though I would not be against it, if there were enough people working on redoing all the icons with the better perspective. It's not very hard to make Echo look integrated with the upstream icons, without losing its characteristics. Echo already got the thick outer stroke, i think what's most out of place is the weird perspective. What you will see happening is toolbars in applications using different kinds of icon perspectives. Not necessarily. In toolbars there are primarily actions icons that have similar perspective to gnome icons (on the table or flat). At least that's what I think of it. I'm not just criticising, but if you agree I will put my money where my mouth is and help out. Hylke Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Secondary wordmark
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design OK, as if things weren't exciting enough with the new Fedora 10 artwork and our progress toward a beautiful new theme, here's something I wanted to talk to the Art team about: a secondary wordmark. Having a secondary wordmark, a community-usable mark for derivative spins, will help drive more interest in Fedora. It enables a slew of use cases, some of which I've outlined in a draft of new trademark guidelines here, which are under review by Red Hat's legal department: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/New_trademark_guidelines So why am I coming to the Artwork team? Well, it's simple -- I'm no artist. I made a couple drafts using one of the proposed word marks, Fueled by Fedora, which got a lot of positive response when I floated it around to different community members. Another great suggestion is Fedora Remix. We will probably not use something tired like Based on Fedora, nor awkward or jargon-laden, like Derived from Fedora or Contains Fedora RPMs. If anyone's got a great suggestion, I'll take it under advisement and a good design will have some weight too, but so far the two phrases I suggested above are the only ones that have had significant flash value to me and the other people who've heard them. I'm cutting the Marketing Project on the cc: line so they can pitch in ideas, and the FAB list so the Board and other watchers are aware of our progress on this issue. If you're an artist, dump your designs to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design -- or some other wiki page, but please put a link on my page so I can track them all! :-) I'll start a discussion about the wording for the mark on Fedora Marketing List which anyone should (as always) feel free to join. Thanks for your time everyone, and I hope you enjoy the opportunity to open Fedora up to a whole new group of contributors and community members! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Michael Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solar Now that Solar is selected. I would like to humbly suggest that we attempt to make a connection in our F10 release press materials to the International Heliophysical Year events. Nothing overly science geeked out, but a shout out the scientific research community participating in the IHY activities would make a lot of sense to me. And not because I'm technically one of those people. http://ihy2007.org/ Yeah it says 2007, but they really mean 2007-2009.. who knew that Heliophysical years are twice as long as Earth years. -jef ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Solar final fixing
Hi all, as today told on irc channel (#fedora-art) I've uploaded on fedorapeople.org an archive with screenshots attesting my work is now fixed so there will be no problem about any part of the file. You will find all at: http://sstorari.fedorapeople.org/ Please check this out and if all is correct i will go on creatin the Solar Theme. Thanks Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Hi, 2008/9/25 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 15:28 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote: I think what Andreas means is that when you install an application that is not in the default Fedora install, it's going to look out of place. All the most popular OSS packages now use the same icon style upstream, which is a major achievement, but instead Fedora chooses to do it all over again. I guess you are wrong here - you are talking only about GTK/Gnome applications, but Fedora equally supports QT/KDE applications, that use totally different style (oxygen). And because we want full desktop integration for both QT and GTK applications we are left with no other choice that create our own icons style that will not clash very much with either of them. The perspective choices were done by Diana when she started the icon set some years ago and we're probably not going to rethink them. Fedora does not equally support QT/KDE applications. And even if we did, there is a difference between supporting the applications and guaranteeing that they integrate perfectly with a GNOME desktop. Even if we did want QT/KDE applications to integrate perfectly into a GNOME desktop, it is not true that the only way to do this is to adopt the Oxygen icon theme styles and metaphors. It is simply not true that your only choice was to create a brand new icon theme. From what I can tell, the Tango icon theme has similar goals, is complete, and has an active community. One problem with icon set proliferation is that it makes it very difficult for applications shipping icons. Remember that not all icons on the screen are part of an icon set. In fact, one of the specific goals of the icon naming standard was to reduce the number of application icons shipped in the theme. We also fail to support the art communities upstream. Andreas has practically begged you to work with him upstream. We simply don't have enough good artists around to have turf wars over icon sets. I will join him in asking you to work upstream. So, I think that the stated reasons for creating a new icon theme are not strong, the icon set is incomplete and inconsistent, makes things more confusing for application developers, and further fractures our already small art community. Though I would not be against it, if there were enough people working on redoing all the icons with the better perspective. Consistency is not the only problem with the Echo icon theme. I propose that we officially switch back to using the upstream icons while we continue to discuss whether a new icon set is in the best interest of our larger community and the Fedora product. Meanwhile, the Echo icons can be improved, completed, and made more consistent. Thanks, Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:22 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hi, Hi, Fedora does not equally support QT/KDE applications. And even if we I'd strongly disagree with that. QT/KDE applications has equal love from the KDE SIG as GTK/Gnome from the Desktop team, and I think the KDE SIG guys are trying hard to avert the general opinion that Fedora does not care about KDE. did, there is a difference between supporting the applications and guaranteeing that they integrate perfectly with a GNOME desktop. True, but we'd like to reduce the integration shortcomings to minimum. Even if we did want QT/KDE applications to integrate perfectly into a GNOME desktop, it is not true that the only way to do this is to adopt the Oxygen icon theme styles and metaphors. It is simply not true that your only choice was to create a brand new icon theme. From what I can tell, the Tango icon theme has similar goals, is complete, and has an active community. You got me wrong. What I was trying to say is that Gnome Icon Theme (which is current gnome upstream, Tango is IMHO worse in case of coverage) is designed for gnome, and oxygen is designed for KDE and there is zero probability that gnome switches to oxygen or kde to tango-styled icons. Echo wants to be fit for both. We cannot just prefer one set to the other, it would be unfair to the one that would not be selected, also we'd like to distinguish Fedora look and feel more from other distributions. One problem with icon set proliferation is that it makes it very difficult for applications shipping icons. Remember that not all icons on the screen are part of an icon set. In fact, one of the specific goals of the icon naming standard was to reduce the number of application icons shipped in the theme. In my opinion it's applications fault. The day icon themes were born to the world, people should have accepted the fact and make it possible to change every icon on desktop by looking them up in icon themes. It's not only because the Echo icon theme, we can replace the upstream icons if needed for Fedora, the biggest issue I see there is that it effectively blocks creating themes designed specially for people with disabilities, like HiContrast icon theme. We also fail to support the art communities upstream. Andreas has practically begged you to work with him upstream. We simply don't have enough good artists around to have turf wars over icon sets. I will join him in asking you to work upstream. Echo *is* an upstream, even though it's done by Fedora artists and for Fedora. We are interested in creating the Echo icon set, not the Gnome icon set, nor Oxygen icon set (otherwise we'd be already working on these), yet we'd like to help others as well. That's why we try to work with upstream applications to support icon themes better. So, I think that the stated reasons for creating a new icon theme are not strong, the icon set is incomplete and inconsistent, makes things more confusing for application developers, and further fractures our already small art community. Yet we have already many supporters in our user base, both from KDE and GNOME camps and every new release many people are disappointed that Echo is still not default. I know that's not a reason to include it and that's why I'd like it to be voted on by the camps that have most to say about that - Art Team and Desktop Team (and in case of KDE also the KDE SIG). Though I would not be against it, if there were enough people working on redoing all the icons with the better perspective. Consistency is not the only problem with the Echo icon theme. I propose that we officially switch back to using the upstream icons while we continue to discuss whether a new icon set is in the best interest of our larger community and the Fedora product. Meanwhile, the Echo icons can be improved, completed, and made more consistent. That will be decided by both Art and Desktop teams. I'll accept whatever way they'll decide to go, but the decision is still about a month ahead of us - and that's a plenty of time. Thanks, Jon Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Solar final fixing
Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, as today told on irc channel (#fedora-art) I've uploaded on fedorapeople.org an archive with screenshots attesting my work is now fixed so there will be no problem about any part of the file. You will find all at: http://sstorari.fedorapeople.org/ Please check this out and if all is correct i will go on creatin the Solar Theme. It is quite obvious you have done a lot of work here to retrace and document carefully your steps and I really, really appreciate that. You've done a tremendous job! I walked through all of your screenshots. My main question (which I asked you earlier on IRC but I don't think I got a response from you on) is where did the original flare bitmap that you traced come from? I feel a little nervous about giving you an okay when I don't know the source of that bitmap, because I do not want to encourage tracing of unknown-licensed works. I think in some cases using a photo or other work as a guide can be ok, and you've certainly done some manual work in tracing it and applied to the solar graphic so that it's not that recognizable. However, I do want there to be some recognition that at least in spirit it's a bad practice to trace other people's work like that (if it is another person's work). This is especially true if you plan to publish your tutorial on doing the flare to a wider audience (which I would love to see you do! It's very useful :) ) I would really encourage you to cite that image in the tutorial if so. If the image it's from is not openly-licensed, I would encourage you to modify the tutorial such that it uses an openly-licensed photo. I know this may seem very strict and perhaps it's overly so. But I think you have to be VERY careful, especially in a tutorial setting when you are setting an example for others, to send the right message. Being very responsible and clear about your sources can only set a *good* example to your audience. So here are just two things I'd like to hear from you before I give you my approval on this: - Can you tell us the source of the flare bitmap that you started from? (I considered that perhaps you created it on your own, but it would be rather recursive to create it, trace it, and then re-create it - wouldn't it? So I assume it came from elsewhere. Where?) - Can you provide the final XCF? I would feel a lot more confident giving you my approval if I had the chance to look it over beforehand. Again, this is a tremendous effort on your part Samuele, thank you so much! I'm really looking forward to working with this new improved Solar artwork so I can start creating banners for fedoraproject.org and working on the disc and disc sleeve artwork! :) I hope this mail isn't a discouragement to you; it's obvious you have a lot of talent and I think you will be a very valuable member of the art team! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Bug 459680] qt/kde: font antialiasing not used initially
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459680 --- Comment #15 from Caius CHANCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-09-25 21:07:26 EDT --- In main user's point of view, this is what it supposed to be a feature rather than a bug. AFAIK, since cjkunifonts-uming has no hinting data but that is the default font of zh_TW locale, antialias=false for pixelsize = 17 is somewhat necessary for any user who uses such font with best display quality. People who doesn't need Chinese (Traditional) support should not choose that during installation or later, until at least latest Gnone and KDE support by font antialias rendering on same display. To conclude, IMHO this is not a bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 459680] qt/kde: font antialiasing not used initially
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459680 --- Comment #17 from Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-09-25 23:38:04 EDT --- A font package must not override global antialiasing settings. Just because a font for traditional Chinese is installed doesn't mean traditional Chinese is the primary language the current user is using, especially on multiuser systems. Several font packages are also installed by default on the live CDs. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 449356] Refactor gfxPangoFontGroup for user fonts
Do not reply to this email. You can add comments to this bug at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449356 Bug 449356 depends on bug 456545, which changed state. Bug 456545 Summary: Unify pseudo-inversion of langGrouping https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456545 What|Old Value |New Value Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
Meeting Log - 2008-09-25
20:00 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here? 20:00 * ricky 20:01 -!- cassmodiah [EMAIL PROTECTED]/cassmodiah] has quit שָׁלוֹם 20:01 * mmcgrath wonders if anyone else is 20:01 fchiulli fchiulli is lurking 20:02 mmcgrath abadger1999 dgilmore f13 fchiulli G jcollie lmacken marek ping? 20:02 brothers hi 20:02 mmcgrath brothers: yo 20:02 dgilmore gday mates 20:02 * lmacken 20:02 fchiulli mmcgrath: pong 20:02 abadger1999 hola 20:02 mmcgrath yo 20:02 mmcgrath ok, lets get started 20:02 -!- skvidal [EMAIL PROTECTED]/skvidal] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:03 * jcollie will lurk a bit... got some $DAYJOB stuff to do in the background 20:03 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets 20:03 mmcgrath .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=newstatus=assignedstatus=reopenedgroup=milestonekeywords=%7EMeetingorder=priority 20:03 zodbot mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/2hyyz6 20:03 mmcgrath .ticket 753 20:03 zodbot mmcgrath: #753 (Mini-freeze for Fedora 10 beta) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/753 20:03 mmcgrath So the freeze is still on until... 20:03 -!- balor [EMAIL PROTECTED] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:03 mmcgrath 2008-09-30 20:04 mmcgrath nothing extrodinary there. 20:04 mmcgrath Does anyone have work thats blocking on that release? 20:04 mmcgrath I know domsch might have some MM stuff, not totally sure though 20:04 mmcgrath k, I'll move on then 20:04 mmcgrath .ticket 395 20:04 zodbot mmcgrath: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395 20:04 abadger1999 bunch of little stuff. I'm working on other stuff until then 20:05 mmcgrath nod 20:05 mmcgrath jcollie: anything new on this front? 20:05 jcollie nope 20:05 mmcgrath k 20:05 mmcgrath .ticket 446 20:05 zodbot mmcgrath: #446 (Possibility to add external links on spins page) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/446 20:05 mmcgrath dgilmore: ^^^ 20:05 dgilmore nope i think it should be closed 20:06 mmcgrath k, if you're ready to close it have at it. 20:06 * nokia3510 says hello 20:06 mmcgrath .ticket 740 20:06 zodbot mmcgrath: #740 (Loaning out system time to OLPC participants) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/740 20:06 * mmcgrath looks at ticket to see if anything new is there. 20:06 dgilmore here i really dont know if we can provide what they want 20:07 mmcgrath so my last question there never really got answered. 20:07 mmcgrath gregdek: ping 20:07 gregdek mmcgrath: pong 20:07 mmcgrath dgilmore: do you know if their end goal is education or if their end goal is packages 20:07 gregdek Oh, trac ticket. 20:07 -!- mdomsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:07 mmcgrath gregdek: we're talkinga bout https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/740 20:07 dgilmore mmcgrath: not really sure. i think both 20:07 mmcgrath k 20:08 mmcgrath dgilmore: do you think we could point them to SuSE's open buildsystem? 20:08 mmcgrath I have a reasonably good relationship with those guys, not sure if they'd be interested or not. 20:08 gregdek aiui, the biggest problem is they've got participants who are being asked to build packages for OLPC, but they don't have Fedora systems, only Debian systems. And they end up doing weird stuff to get packages built. 20:09 mmcgrath and OLPC builds packages now, do we just need the koji client in debian? 20:09 dgilmore mmcgrath: not really. 20:09 dgilmore mmcgrath: honestly i think having koji in debian/ubuntu would go a long way to helping 20:09 dgilmore since mock is tehre and works 20:10 mmcgrath I guess I'm still confused by what is there, what they want and what they would suggest Fedora's role in that should be. 20:10 mmcgrath gregdek says they have people who are being asked to build packages, is this like OLPC extras or something? 20:10 mmcgrath OLPC.us? 20:10 mmcgrath :) 20:10 ricky Hehe 20:11 gregdek You know, I'm unsure. 20:11 dgilmore mmcgrath: most of it is dealling with fedora packages. 20:11 dgilmore mmcgrath: a tiny amount is packages not in fedora 20:11 mmcgrath so getting fedora packages into OLPC? 20:11 dgilmore but thats really tiny 20:11 dgilmore yeah 20:11 mmcgrath so they're worried about the tiny portion not in Fedora? 20:11 mmcgrath or the portion that is in Fedora? 20:11 mmcgrath if so, are we just talking about another distribution of Fedora similar to what EPEL is now? 20:12 dgilmore dealling with testing builds in mock. i.e. for new packages. dealing with submitting builds to koji 20:12 mmcgrath and the requirements are that this work on debian? 20:12 dgilmore thats the main hurdle 20:12 -!- jmtaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]/jmtaylor]
Re: change request: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]
+1 from me :)
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 20:54 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
(cc docs)
Request to change https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css to
the following:
=
.messagebox.wikicleanup {
background-image: url(/w/uploads/7/72/Wiki-cleanup-background.png);
background-repeat: repeat;
}
=
Reason: to allow for [[Template:Wiki cleanup]] (a new admonition to
replace using {{admon/note}} in {{move}}, {{delete}}, etc) to stand out
from other admonitions as not being alerting to the user, but rather to
wiki gardeners.
The reason this can't be done right in the template is because MediaWiki
is very, very careful about external images (even though this one is
technically internal).
Effect on remainder of wiki/website/world: Little to none. An error
should have no effect on the rest of the style of the wiki, except for
user styles. I do not believe there to be an error in the above.
Why I'm asking: I have to wield my sysop powers on the wiki to do this,
and I just wanted to make sure it was cool (especially since we're in a
change freeze). Why I'm asking now: I'll forget later.
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Re: change request: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
+1 from me :)
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 20:54 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
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Request to change https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css to
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background-image: url(/w/uploads/7/72/Wiki-cleanup-background.png);
background-repeat: repeat;
}
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Re: change request: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:12:51PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: +1 from me :) +1 Change made. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Wiki_cleanup -- Ian Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet. ~ Douglas Adams pgpzGtsX6rvKp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
IA64 ATA patch.
We've had this in Fedora since 2007/02/27
Can anyone recall why? and more importantly, why it isn't upstream?
Dave
--- linux-2.6.20/arch/ia64/kernel/quirks.c 1969-12-31 19:00:00.0
-0500
+++ linux-2.6.20_fix/arch/ia64/kernel/quirks.c 2007-02-13 13:56:34.0
-0500
@@ -0,0 +1,45 @@
+/*
+ * This file contains work-arounds for ia64 platform bugs.
+ */
+#include linux/pci.h
+
+/*
+ * quirk_intel_ide_controller: If an ide/ata controller is
+ * at legacy mode, BIOS might initiates BAR(bar 0~3 and 5)
+ * with incorrect value. This quirk will reset the incorrect
+ * value to 0.
+ */
+static void __devinit quirk_intel_ide_controller(struct pci_dev *dev)
+{
+ unsigned int pos;
+ struct resource *res;
+ int fixed = 0;
+ u8 tmp8;
+
+ if ((dev-class 8) != PCI_CLASS_STORAGE_IDE)
+ return;
+
+ /* TODO: What if one channel is in native mode ... */
+ pci_read_config_byte(dev, PCI_CLASS_PROG, tmp8);
+ if ((tmp8 5) == 5)
+ return;
+
+ for( pos = 0; pos 6; pos ++ ) {
+ res = dev-resource[pos];
+ if (!(res-flags (IORESOURCE_IO | IORESOURCE_MEM)))
+ continue;
+
+ if (!res-start res-end) {
+ res-start = res-end = 0;
+ res-flags = 0;
+ fixed = 1;
+ }
+ }
+ if (fixed)
+ printk(KERN_WARNING
+ PCI device %s: BIOS resource configuration fixed.\n,
+ pci_name(dev));
+}
+
+DECLARE_PCI_FIXUP_FINAL(PCI_VENDOR_ID_INTEL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_INTEL_82801DB_11,
quirk_intel_ide_controller);
+
--- linux-2.6.21.noarch/arch/ia64/kernel/Makefile~ 2007-05-27
23:23:36.0 -0400
+++ linux-2.6.21.noarch/arch/ia64/kernel/Makefile 2007-05-27
23:23:48.0 -0400
@@ -33,6 +33,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_CRASH_DUMP) += crash_dump.o
obj-$(CONFIG_IA64_UNCACHED_ALLOCATOR) += uncached.o
obj-$(CONFIG_AUDIT)+= audit.o
obj-$(CONFIG_PCI_MSI) += msi_ia64.o
+obj-$(CONFIG_PCI) += quirks.o
mca_recovery-y += mca_drv.o mca_drv_asm.o
obj-$(CONFIG_IA64_MC_ERR_INJECT)+= err_inject.o
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rawhide patches.
I just sifted through what we had in rawhide, after noticing that ls *.patch was starting to scroll my terminal (which is never a good sign). In doing so, I found a bunch of patches that weren't applied any more that we forgot to remove, and a bunch that were applied that shouldn't have been. Sifting through the remnants gave me a list that I've added to cvs as the file 'TODO' in devel. Hopefully we can keep this up to date as patches are introduced/removed. At the least it should serve as reasoning for why the hell we're carrying some patches for years (some of the CVS changelogs are pretty crappy, including some from yours truly). Here's what it looks like today.. Dave drm-modesetting-i915.patch drm-modesetting-radeon.patch linux-2.6-export-shmem-bits-for-gem.patch Intel/Radeon kernel mode-setting. Won't go upstream for a while. drm-nouveau.patch Nouveau DRM driver. Won't go upstream until ABI confirmed. linux-2.6-acpi-clear-wake-status.patch linux-2.6-acpi-video-dos.patch linux-2.6-defaults-acpi-video.patch linux-2.6-input-dell-keyboard-keyup.patch linux-2.6-eeepc-laptop-update.patch mjg59 ACPI/laptop bits. Upstreamable for 2.6.28 ? linux-2.6-at76.patch linux-2.6-iwlwifi-use-dma_alloc_coherent.patch linux-2.6-wireless.patch linux-2.6-wireless-pending.patch Linville. Wireless bits. Most should be upstream for 2.6.28 linux-2.6-ata-quirk.patch IA64 oddness. Query sent to f-k-l linux-2.6-build-nonintconfig.patch linux-2.6-debug-nmi-timeout.patch linux-2.6-debug-spinlock-taint.patch linux-2.6-debug-taint-vm.patch linux-2.6-debug-vm-would-have-oomkilled.patch linux-2.6-scsi-cpqarray-set-master.patch linux-2.6-usb-ehci-hcd-respect-nousb.patch Push for 2.6.28 linux-2.6-compile-fixes.patch linux-2.6-hotfixes.patch Empty linux-2.6-crash-driver.patch Not upstreamable. linux-2.6-debug-always-inline-kzalloc.patch Sent upstream Sep 25 2008 linux-2.6-debug-sizeof-structs.patch Fedora local debug stuff. linux-2.6-default-mmf_dump_elf_headers.patch linux-2.6-utrace.patch linux-2.6-x86-tracehook.patch Roland magick utrace linux-2.6-defaults-fat-utf8.patch Drop? linux-2.6-defaults-pci_no_msi.patch linux-2.6-input-kill-stupid-messages.patch linux-2.6-x86-tune-generic.patch Fedora local choices uninteresting to upstream linux-2.6-e1000e-add-support-for-82567LM-3-and-82567LF-3-ICH10D-parts.patch linux-2.6-e1000e-add-support-for-new-82574L-part.patch linux-2.6-e1000e-add-support-for-the-82567LM-4-device.patch linux-2.6-e1000-ich9.patch linux-2.6-firewire-git-update.patch linux-2.6-netdev-atl2.patch Should go upstream for .28 linux-2.6-efika-not-chrp.patch linux-2.6-g5-therm-shutdown.patch linux-2.6-imac-transparent-bridge.patch linux-2.6-ps3-ehci-iso.patch linux-2.6-ps3-legacy-bootloader-hack.patch linux-2.6-ps3-storage-alias.patch linux-2.6-vio-modalias.patch ppc bits. dwmw2. linux-2.6-execshield.patch linux-2.6-xen-execshield-add-xen-specific-load_user_cs_desc.patch linux-2.6-xen-execshield-fix-endless-gpf-fault-loop.patch linux-2.6-xen-execshield-only-define-load_user_cs_desc-on-32-bit.patch Not interesting to upstream. linux-2.6-lirc.patch jarod working on upstreaming linux-2.6-merge-efifb-imacfb.patch pjones. merge for 2.6.28 ? linux-2.6-nfs-client-mounts-hang.patch SteveD. Sent ping on Sep 25 to find out status. linux-2.6-net-silence-noisy-printks.patch linux-2.6-piix3-silence-quirk.patch linux-2.6-quiet-iommu.patch linux-2.6-silence-acpi-blacklist.patch linux-2.6-silence-fbcon-logo.patch linux-2.6-silence-noise.patch Fedora local 'hush' patches. linux-2.6-selinux-mprotect-checks.patch linux-2.6-sparc-selinux-mprotect-checks.patch Not upstreamable. linux-2.6-serial-460800.patch Probably not upstreamable. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=112687270832687w=2 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/8/2/208 linux-2.6-squashfs.patch Sigh. Who the hell knows when this will go upstream. linux-2.6-sysrq-c.patch Que? -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: rawhide patches.
Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: linux-2.6-defaults-fat-utf8.patch Drop? Isn't this a local choice similar to the later ones? linux-2.6-net-silence-noisy-printks.patch linux-2.6-piix3-silence-quirk.patch linux-2.6-quiet-iommu.patch linux-2.6-silence-acpi-blacklist.patch linux-2.6-silence-fbcon-logo.patch linux-2.6-silence-noise.patch Fedora local 'hush' patches. Speaking of 'hush' patches - ... ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1404: azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1, format=0x4011 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:716: hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x4011 ... Is this a config option, or do we need to patch this stuff out? Bill ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: rawhide patches.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 03:07:04PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: linux-2.6-defaults-fat-utf8.patch Drop? Isn't this a local choice similar to the later ones? The problem is this is a who do we want to screw over patch. Some people have disks which aren't UTF8, and get crazy moon language instead of their expected charset. linux-2.6-net-silence-noisy-printks.patch linux-2.6-piix3-silence-quirk.patch linux-2.6-quiet-iommu.patch linux-2.6-silence-acpi-blacklist.patch linux-2.6-silence-fbcon-logo.patch linux-2.6-silence-noise.patch Fedora local 'hush' patches. Speaking of 'hush' patches - .. ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1404: azx_pcm_prepare: bufsize=0x1, format=0x4011 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:716: hda_codec_setup_stream: NID=0x2, stream=0x5, channel=0, format=0x4011 .. Is this a config option, or do we need to patch this stuff out? Probably one of the many ALSA debug options. CONFIG_SND_VERBOSE_PRINTK=y CONFIG_SND_DEBUG=y CONFIG_SND_DEBUG_DETECT=y CONFIG_SND_DEBUG_VERBOSE=y CONFIG_SND_PCM_XRUN_DEBUG=y Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: de-modularising for the win!
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:13 -0700, Bill Nottingham wrote: See various and sundry plumber's conf discussions. Comments? (The netfilter stuff needs further investigation.) I'm ok with all of these specific config changes, but I'd like to repeat what I said in Kyle's session about demodularising in general. I advocate extreme caution before just willy-nilly building everything into the kernel. Although this might seem like a great idea from the point of view of speeding up boot, there is also the pesky issue of users wanting the choice to decide which modules get loaded, and more importantly, wanting to override those modules with their own. To do this truly right we'll need to do rebinding of drivers in kernel. That's not always going to be easily possible after it's in use. And while we might not love binary drivers, note that it is the user's choice to make. If they want to load proprietary (or just out of tree drivers) then we should not go out of our way to intentionally make this difficult for them. i.e. let's no go building in particular graphics drivers for political reasons...I'm pre-empting discussion there :) So, anyway, Bill's got a good base set of common options. Jon. ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: chcorefilter
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:32:50PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote: Content-Description: message body text The /proc/PID/coredump_filter mechanism makes it easy to tweak the per-process setting to control ELF core dump style details. This setting is per-process (per-mm) and inherited by children. But as a user, the /proc interface is insane. It prints a magical hex value (without a leading 0x, to make it sneaky), which you'll be damn lucky to figure out from reading Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt. Then you get to set it to another such magical value, which is in decimal unless you add a leading 0x (cat /proc/x/coredump_filter /proc/y/coredump_filter does not copy the setting, go team). I have kicking around this half-assed bash script that I don't care to bother making really presentable. Where should it live? In the upstream kernel's scripts/? (Then noone would ever see it for sure.) In util-linux-ng? Or what? Someone want to take it off my hands? either util-linux or procps is my suggestion. Dave -- http://www.codemonkey.org.uk ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: nvida drivers
Armin Moradi wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:15 PM, William Biggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where do I download and how do I install it for fedora 9 64 bit ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines do this in terminal: $ yum install kmod-nvidia Or install akmod-nvidia. This makes you independent from a missing kmod-nvidia if the kernel is updated (the modules are re-compiled if a new kernel is installed): http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=190229 you should have livna repository. You can download and install it here: http://rpm.livna.org/rlowiki/ -- Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dare to dream? -- Joachim Backes [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Symlinks in RPMs
I'm working on trying to get a package up to snuff for review, and ran into a problem. It included a couple of fonts that I stripped out. Thankfully they're already in a font package included in Fedora. Unfortunately it turns out that their location is hard coded in the software. I'm trying to setup symlinks to them in the install section, but rpmlint always complains about them being dangling. What's the appropriate way to handle these things? Thanks, =-Jameson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ssh2 -Thanks to everybody
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:39:50 +0200, Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: roland wrote: This is an old version of redhat workstation, just before fedora was released. No wonder it was broken into then. Actually, if it hasn't been updated since 2003 it's something of a wonder if you haven't had any intrusions until now. Perhaps the intruders who have been using the box before have been more discreet so that you haven't noticed them. I just wonder why this person/hacker is still trying to login with root and other names. So he must have been unsuccessful the first time. What makes you think it's the same person? There are bots on compromised computers constantly scanning the Internet and trying to access any SSH servers they find. It's been going on for years. Do you have proof that the login attempts you see are something else? From what you are saying I can understand that I should reinstall the server, even if he is not successfully login in again? Yes you should. Once the system is compromised you can't trust anything in it. Unless the intruder is a complete bungler there is now a backdoor installed that lets him control the system no matter how many passwords you change. Your computer will be used for attacking other computers, churning out spam, or any number of other shady activities. Install the latest version of CentOS and set it up to receive updates automatically. Do not transfer any kind of executable code from the old system to the new one. I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THIS EXTENSIVE HELP. And I hope next time this person-attacker will wait until after my Holiday Roland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Symlinks in RPMs
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:38:43 -0400, Jameson wrote: I'm working on trying to get a package up to snuff for review, and ran into a problem. It included a couple of fonts that I stripped out. Thankfully they're already in a font package included in Fedora. Unfortunately it turns out that their location is hard coded in the software. I'm trying to setup symlinks to them in the install section, but rpmlint always complains about them being dangling. What's the appropriate way to handle these things? Run rpmlint on the _installed_ package instead of the uninstalled package. What do you get? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation weirdness
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Network card cable connection query
Hi Is there a way to identify whether a network card has a rj45 cable plugged into it from linux? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network card cable connection query
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:15:56 +0100 Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Is there a way to identify whether a network card has a rj45 cable plugged into it from linux? ethtool /sbin/ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 1000Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 0 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: pg Wake-on: d Current message level: 0x00ff (255) Link detected: yes -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network card cable connection query
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:15:56 +0100 Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Is there a way to identify whether a network card has a rj45 cable plugged into it from linux? ethtool /sbin/ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 1000Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 0 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: pg Wake-on: d Current message level: 0x00ff (255) Link detected: yes Thanks Alan, that was spot on. I assume the link detected means that a cable is connected in. Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network card cable connection query
Thanks Alan, that was spot on. I assume the link detected means that a cable is connected in. Technically I believe it means the other end of the cable is also connected to something. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network card cable connection query
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Dan Track [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Is there a way to identify whether a network card has a rj45 cable plugged into it from linux? You can use mii-tool [...] # mii-tool eth2 eth2: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok [...] Thanks, Anoop Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
Hi I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. The only way to increase them is by adding rows, so where has the option to add workspace to the current row gone, and how do I get it back? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
id_rsa.pub
Hi guys, i have reinstalled my laptop with Fedora 9. I have my RSA private key in .ssh/id_rsa . How to generate public key which i can use from private RSA key? (to have .ssh/id_rsa.pub). Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
who the %^#$ is messing with /etc/passwd ??
Ok, so in this very large update, I see that Updating : setup [ 39/144] warning: /etc/passwd created as /etc/passwd.rpmnew Doing a diff I see that these have changed -root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash -bin:x:1:1:bin:/bin:/sbin/nologin -daemon:x:2:2:daemon:/sbin:/sbin/nologin -adm:x:3:4:adm:/var/adm:/sbin/nologin -lp:x:4:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/sbin/nologin -sync:x:5:0:sync:/sbin:/bin/sync -shutdown:x:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown -halt:x:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt -mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:/sbin/nologin -news:x:9:13:news:/etc/news: -uucp:x:10:14:uucp:/var/spool/uucp:/sbin/nologin -operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/sbin/nologin -games:x:12:100:games:/usr/games:/sbin/nologin -gopher:x:13:30:gopher:/var/gopher:/sbin/nologin -ftp:x:14:50:FTP User:/var/ftp:/sbin/nologin -nobody:x:99:99:Nobody:/:/sbin/nologin +root:*:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash +bin:*:1:1:bin:/bin:/sbin/nologin +daemon:*:2:2:daemon:/sbin:/sbin/nologin +adm:*:3:4:adm:/var/adm:/sbin/nologin +lp:*:4:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/sbin/nologin +sync:*:5:0:sync:/sbin:/bin/sync +shutdown:*:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown +halt:*:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt +mail:*:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:/sbin/nologin +uucp:*:10:14:uucp:/var/spool/uucp:/sbin/nologin +operator:*:11:0:operator:/root:/sbin/nologin +games:*:12:100:games:/usr/games:/sbin/nologin +gopher:*:13:30:gopher:/var/gopher:/sbin/nologin +ftp:*:14:50:FTP User:/var/ftp:/sbin/nologin +nobody:*:99:99:Nobody:/:/sbin/nologin So the password field has changed from x to * I know that that means look in /etc/shadow for the password, but what inconsistancy will the older, established users find ?? Can someone explain more than: Name: setup Product : Fedora 9 Version : 2.6.17 Release : 1.fc9 URL : [] Summary : A set of system configuration and setup files. Description : The setup package contains a set of important system configuration and setup files, such as passwd, group, and profile. Update Information: Temporarily added rquotad to /etc/services due to reports that rquotad grabbed the dovecot secure imap port during startup, which made that one later on fail. ChangeLog: * Fri Jul 25 2008 Phil Knirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.17-1 - Temporarily added rquotad to /etc/services * Tue Jun 17 2008 Phil Knirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.16-1 - Dropped user news from default /etc/passwd (#437462) * Thu Jun 5 2008 Phil Knirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.15-1 - Added prelude-manager and snortd to uidgid list -- Brian Millett - [ Daggair, Mariel, and Londo, Soul Mates] Londo, you're making a big mistakes. 'A huge mistake.' `Well, it won't be my first. Actually, it will be my fourth.` signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: who the %^#$ is messing with /etc/passwd ??
On Thursday 25 September 2008 12:41:13 Brian Millett wrote: So the password field has changed from x to * I know that that means look in /etc/shadow for the password, but what inconsistancy will the older, established users find ?? 'x' means look in /etc/shadow, '*' is one of several ways of indicating no password as in you can't log in, rather than blank password which lets all log in without one. The .rpmnew is the unconverted form, if you run pwunconv you'll see the same it /etc/passwd. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
WiFi webcam
Does anyone have a recommendation for a WiFi webcam to run under Fedora? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kvm?
I've been using virtualbox, and it's pretty nice. I'm wondering if any of the more open virtualization efforts have progressed to the point that I'd want to try replacing virtualbox. What I'm interested in is: 1) Able to run windoze/linux guest on linux x86_64 host 2) good performance (on modern hardware) 3) Decent gui Last I checked, #3 was not there. Virtualbox has a good gui for managing machines. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:17 +0100, Dan Track wrote: Hi I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. The only way to increase them is by adding rows, so where has the option to add workspace to the current row gone, and how do I get it back? I'm not having this problem at all. Try creating a separate, new user account, and see if that user has the problem. If not, can your normal user write to the ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/ folder? Does this work? (It should set the number of workspaces to 10, rows to 1.) gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 10 gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/panel/applets/workspace_switcher/prefs/num_rows 1 -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: id_rsa.pub
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:35 +0200, David Hláčik wrote: Hi guys, i have reinstalled my laptop with Fedora 9. I have my RSA private key in .ssh/id_rsa . How to generate public key which i can use from private RSA key? (to have .ssh/id_rsa.pub). The keys are paired -- you should get the matching ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub key from whatever source you got your ~/.ssh/id_rsa key. AFAIK you can't regenerate one from the other. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:17 +0100, Dan Track wrote: I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. I can, and I didn't have to do this: The only way to increase them is by adding rows Are you running compiz (desktop-effects)? I'm not. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] Monitor recommendations with a wide hsync range
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 08:58, Bill Crawford wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2008 17:09:46 Marko Vojinovic wrote: Is there any computer monitor out in the market today that can sync down to 15 KHz? Might be worth just buying a cheap LCD television (i.e. not a 42 one ;o)) ? Well, a TV is precisely what I use now. Aside from picture quality, the idea was to get rid of a Yet Another Monitor on the desk. And since I am to buy a new computer monitor anyway, I was just thinking of doing some research in order to buy something that can be used for both purposes. But it seems that such monitors simply don't exist... :-( Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] Monitor recommendations with a wide hsync range
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 03:11, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2008, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Is there any other way to make a square fit to a circle? Here RGB signal is a requirement --- s-video, composite and similar stuff are out of the picture, unfortunately. One of the guys on the coco list is making a scan doubler that takes RGB at NTSC scan rates, and doubles the data rate, then doubles the line to be fed to a vga monitor. It works quite well on my coco3. I have no idea if it could be used on a PAL system or not. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the pointer. I've heard of these scan doublers, it seems that such a device is an interface for precisely this purpose. But I don't know can it be bought in a store (or on the net somewhere) or it just exists as a solder-it-yourself kit... Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kvm?
2008/9/25 Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been using virtualbox, and it's pretty nice. I'm wondering if any of the more open virtualization efforts have progressed to the point that I'd want to try replacing virtualbox. What I'm interested in is: 1) Able to run windoze/linux guest on linux x86_64 host 2) good performance (on modern hardware) 3) Decent gui Last I checked, #3 was not there. Virtualbox has a good gui for managing machines. I use kvm to run windows on a daily basis, and it seems fine to me. virt-manager present a nice gui. But I've never used VB, so can't compare. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
gossips about ATI and 3D
Hello guys, are there any infos / gossips where should be 3D support for ATI available under X.Org 7.3 (especially for Fedora 9). I have heard that radeonhd should support 3D for HD2400 ATI cards (mine) at beginning of next year. I definitely do not like downgrading Xorg to older version. DO not understand what is wrong with ATI developer guys , they are lazy or bad paid :) Regards, David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command help?
Aldo Foot wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I am starting to do some more advanced automated maintenance on my system but can't find a nifty way to do something and was wondering if anyone out there can help me with this. I am configuring my system to do an automated backup of all my data (2 to 4 hours per week) but need it to do certain things to protect the process. For an unattended process, I need to know how to: 1. Force all users currently logged on to be logged off (preferably with at least a 5 minute notice). 2. Prevent anyone from logging on. 3. Prevent the system from being shut down or rebooted. 4. Shut down the X server (speeds up processing time considerably). 5. After finished to restart X server and allow shutdown and logins. If anyone knows any commands to do at least some of these, I would appreciate knowing how. The part about shutting down the X server is optional but would be nice but not allowing anyone to be logged in and preventing system shut down is necessary. Bradley My 0.02 cents. start by doing man on login, nologin, shutdown, killall etc... /etc/nologin -- prevents user logins shutdown -k Don't really shutdown; only send the warning messages to everybody. killall -u, --user Kill only processes the specified user owns. Command names are optional. ~af Thanks for the input but, unfortunately, this doesn't give the results that I need. I gave up and configured one of the run levels for doing the needed tasks and have the system reboot into that run level where it does what I need it to and then reboots the system back to the normal run level. Not a pretty arrangement but it seems to work. While in the special run level, it does not activate any unnecessary services (network, servers, Xserver, etc.) and does not allow any user logins. This turned out to be simpler and cleaner to set up than what I had previously considered. Bradley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
re: gcc updates {kicking old thread back to life}
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don fisher wrote:
When are the versions of gcc components included in the devel repository
added to the standard distribution. The current version of gfortran
(4.1.2) is quite broken. I tried to upgrade from the devel repository,
but that failed due to missing dependencies. I think that once the gcc
was updated, almost everything else that links to the library was
included by yum.
Is there a path to request such an upgrade?
David Timms wrote:
don fisher wrote:
David,
Sorry to bother you. I have sent numerous postings to
fedora-list@redhat.com and have seen none posted. Did I make some sort
of blacklist, or is there something obvious I am doing wrong?
Actually, you must send email to the list with the address that you are
subscribed with {rather than hdf3 _ comcast.net}, or you might like to
change your subscribed email address. Use the link at the bottom of the
list mail.
Thanks for your help, and sorry for this level question. I do not know
how to proceed.
Hi Don,
1. You need to be signed up to the mailing list to be able to post
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list {but I imagine you
are since that is where I originally responded to you}. Note that the
list is quite high traffic...
Don, in case you weren't watching fedora closely, fedora 8+9 updates
have resumed service.
I'm sure there are many around who can lend a hand with your situation...
DaveT.
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Re: [OT] Monitor recommendations with a wide hsync range
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 03:11, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 23 September 2008, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
Is there any other way to make a square fit to a circle? Here RGB signal
is a requirement --- s-video, composite and similar stuff are out of the
picture, unfortunately.
One of the guys on the coco list is making a scan doubler that takes RGB at
NTSC scan rates, and doubles the data rate, then doubles the line to be fed
to a vga monitor. It works quite well on my coco3. I have no idea if it
could be used on a PAL system or not.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the pointer. I've heard of these scan doublers, it seems that such
a device is an interface for precisely this purpose. But I don't know can it
be bought in a store (or on the net somewhere) or it just exists as a
solder-it-yourself kit...
You can get commercial ones from various audiovisual equipment
manufacturers such as extron, altinex {maybe}, scan-do, sony {not sure
if the one I'm thinking of is still available}. Scalers would tend to
have extra capabilities you might not need.
DaveT.
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Re: id_rsa.pub
David Hláèik wrote, On 09/25/2008 07:35 AM: Hi guys, i have reinstalled my laptop with Fedora 9. I have my RSA private key in .ssh/id_rsa . How to generate public key which i can use from private RSA key? (to have .ssh/id_rsa.pub). Thanks! ssh-keygen -t rsa -b512 -C 'a test key' -N 'junkme' mv id_rsa.pub id_rsa.pub.orig ssh-keygen -f id_rsa -e SECSHpkff ssh-keygen -i -f SECSHpkff SECSHpkff.ossh cat id_rsa.pub.orig ;echo ;cat SECSHpkff.ossh ssh-rsa B3NzaC1yc2EBIwAAAEEA2B/62aUjcZW4kZJRnL/mS0pNIuIt6BCVc6y2V24trV6H90qqud1Jy3mOT4ZuRru53LYtURENZPVXBPqzqYJ7QQ== a test key ssh-rsa B3NzaC1yc2EBIwAAAEEA2B/62aUjcZW4kZJRnL/mS0pNIuIt6BCVc6y2V24trV6H90qqud1Jy3mOT4ZuRru53LYtURENZPVXBPqzqYJ7QQ== Visual diff indicates a delta in the comment portion, but otherwise the same. ... So ssh-keygen -f id_rsa -e SECSHpkff ssh-keygen -i -f SECSHpkff id_rsa.pub should get your public side back. There is probably an easier way, but this worked. -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kvm?
2008/9/25 Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been using virtualbox, and it's pretty nice. I'm wondering if any of the more open virtualization efforts have progressed to the point that I'd want to try replacing virtualbox. What I'm interested in is: 1) Able to run windoze/linux guest on linux x86_64 host 2) good performance (on modern hardware) 3) Decent gui Last I checked, #3 was not there. Virtualbox has a good gui for managing machines. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines There's a Virtual Machine Manager in F9 under Application - System Tools. From there, you can create, manage, and delete VMs using a GUI ( just like you would in VirtualBox ), but in kvm / qemu's cae, you can run 64-bit guests which VB cannot do yet ( when host OS is Linux or Windows even host is 64-bit ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kvm?
Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: 2008/9/25 Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been using virtualbox, and it's pretty nice. I'm wondering if any of the more open virtualization efforts have progressed to the point that I'd want to try replacing virtualbox. What I'm interested in is: 1) Able to run windoze/linux guest on linux x86_64 host 2) good performance (on modern hardware) 3) Decent gui I'm running WinXP on F9 x86_64 with kvm. It works amazingly well, assuming that your processor has the modern virtualization features (vmx flag, I think). There is a gui tool for root to manage the virtual machine(s). It works pretty well assuming the default network configuration (NAT) works for you. If you want to implement bridged routing instead, you have to manually edit the xml files. Client access to the virtual machine is provided through vnc (localhost:5900, for example), which is easy enough. Documentation is pretty minimal for everything. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: id_rsa.pub
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?= wrote: Hi guys, i have reinstalled my laptop with Fedora 9. I have my RSA private key in .ssh/id_rsa . How to generate public key which i can use from private RSA key? (to have .ssh/id_rsa.pub). Thanks! There's a nice tutorial at http://www.linuxproblem.org/art_9.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kvm?
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 08:09 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: I've been using virtualbox, and it's pretty nice. I'm wondering if any of the more open virtualization efforts have progressed to the point that I'd want to try replacing virtualbox. What I'm interested in is: 1) Able to run windoze/linux guest on linux x86_64 host 2) good performance (on modern hardware) 3) Decent gui Last I checked, #3 was not there. Virtualbox has a good gui for managing machines. VB has an open source version, last time I looked. I use the non-open version because I need USB support. Performance is good (64-bit F9 host, 32-bit Windows XP and Ubuntu guests). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command help?
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input but, unfortunately, this doesn't give the results that I need. I gave up and configured one of the run levels for doing the needed tasks and have the system reboot into that run level where it does what I need it to and then reboots the system back to the normal run level. Not a pretty arrangement but it seems to work. While in the special run level, it does not activate any unnecessary services (network, servers, Xserver, etc.) and does not allow any user logins. This turned out to be simpler and cleaner to set up than what I had previously considered. Bradley System maintenance is best done as you describe. It could be done without rebooting... but one needs to have some creativity to set up the process correctly. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:17 +0100, Dan Track wrote: I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. I can, and I didn't have to do this: The only way to increase them is by adding rows Are you running compiz (desktop-effects)? I'm not. -- Hi I am running compiz and I have options for GL effects. Is there anything I can run to test if this is a problem? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
KDE 4.1.1... thanks !
KDE 4.1.1 hit the stable repo this morning. I installed it. It seems to be significantly faster than KDE 4.1.0. I'd like to thank all those that had a hand in getting KDE 4.1.1 out to the masses. Your efforts are appreciated. LG -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:17 +0100, Dan Track wrote: Hi I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. The only way to increase them is by adding rows, so where has the option to add workspace to the current row gone, and how do I get it back? I'm not having this problem at all. Try creating a separate, new user account, and see if that user has the problem. If not, can your normal user write to the ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/ folder? Does this work? (It should set the number of workspaces to 10, rows to 1.) gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 10 gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/panel/applets/workspace_switcher/prefs/num_rows 1 Thanks for the reply. I've just tried running your commands. They both ran without giving any errors but it didn't change my panel though. I haven't had a chance to log out yet but I can do. Just so you know its a new installation which I did yesterday - no fancy extra's from external sources - all fedora. I've also updated to the latest updates. Any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command help?
Bradley wrote: Aldo Foot wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I am starting to do some more advanced automated maintenance on my system but can't find a nifty way to do something and was wondering if anyone out there can help me with this. I am configuring my system to do an automated backup of all my data (2 to 4 hours per week) but need it to do certain things to protect the process. For an unattended process, I need to know how to: 1. Force all users currently logged on to be logged off (preferably with at least a 5 minute notice). 2. Prevent anyone from logging on. 3. Prevent the system from being shut down or rebooted. 4. Shut down the X server (speeds up processing time considerably). 5. After finished to restart X server and allow shutdown and logins. If anyone knows any commands to do at least some of these, I would appreciate knowing how. The part about shutting down the X server is optional but would be nice but not allowing anyone to be logged in and preventing system shut down is necessary. Bradley My 0.02 cents. start by doing man on login, nologin, shutdown, killall etc... /etc/nologin -- prevents user logins shutdown -k Don't really shutdown; only send the warning messages to everybody. killall -u, --user Kill only processes the specified user owns. Command names are optional. ~af Thanks for the input but, unfortunately, this doesn't give the results that I need. I gave up and configured one of the run levels for doing the needed tasks and have the system reboot into that run level where it does what I need it to and then reboots the system back to the normal run level. Not a pretty arrangement but it seems to work. While in the special run level, it does not activate any unnecessary services (network, servers, Xserver, etc.) and does not allow any user logins. This turned out to be simpler and cleaner to set up than what I had previously considered. Bradley Instead of rebooting, you could use telinit to change the run level. It will stop/start services as necessary to match the configuration for that run level. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
installaing fedora 9 on an HP xw4600
hi i m trying to install F9 on an HP workstation xw4600. all is going fine except this fact the machine on reboot is stuck on udev for several and after i got a blank screen. Has anybody already succeed in installing F9 on an HP workstation xw4600? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:00 +0100, Dan Track wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:17 +0100, Dan Track wrote: Hi I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. The only way to increase them is by adding rows, so where has the option to add workspace to the current row gone, and how do I get it back? I'm not having this problem at all. Try creating a separate, new user account, and see if that user has the problem. If not, can your normal user write to the ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/ folder? Does this work? (It should set the number of workspaces to 10, rows to 1.) gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 10 gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/panel/applets/workspace_switcher/prefs/num_rows 1 Thanks for the reply. I've just tried running your commands. They both ran without giving any errors but it didn't change my panel though. I haven't had a chance to log out yet but I can do. Just so you know its a new installation which I did yesterday - no fancy extra's from external sources - all fedora. I've also updated to the latest updates. Any thoughts? I'll have to give this a try from my laptop -- I'm actually running remotely over VNC right now so I can't enable desktop effects from here. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Livina-nvidia bugzilla response I don't understand ??
Hi; I received the following response to a bug report I filed with livna http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2106 I am not sure whether I am mis-interpreting or that the suggestions are a non-fix. # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig [file shown on http://pastey.net/96653;] Ah, that would be why - nvidia-xconfig and livna-config-display tend not to play nicely together for a few reasons... Essentially, I recommend either telling livna-config-display to stop editing configuration files or removing the Files section and reboot to let livna-config-display autoconfigure the xorg.conf. Essentially, this is because to make sure everything works properly and that the nVidia libraries don't overwrite the stock ones, we shuffled file locations a bit compared to the nVidia installer. nvidia-xconfig expects things to be installed as they would from the nVidia installer, so it's best to disable livna-config- display and finish tweaking xorg.conf manually. Otherwise, livna-config-display can just take care of the rest. I tried: 1) removing the Files section and reboot to let livna-config-display autoconfigure the xorg.conf. Nothing was reconfigured. 2) telling livna-config-display to stop editing configuration files Still had the original booting problem with the original xorg.conf file created by nvidia-xconfig. 3) so it's best to disable livna-config-display and finish tweaking xorg.conf manually I am not clear on what should be tweaked or how? 4) Otherwise, livna-config-display can just take care of the rest. To me, this is a non sequitur that in context only confuses the issue. Any suggestions on what it means? If anyone can help, all the basic data is with bug #2106, or I am willing to re-supply it. -- Regards Bill Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KERNEL HEADERS
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 13:15 -0400, David McCormick wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 12:16 -0400, David McCormick wrote: Ok I checked and as I thought the headers are installed. My problem is that I have to install a link to them and can't figure out what file they are in in order to link to them. Are the headers for the exact same kernel you are compiling under? poc PS Don't top-post. See the list Guidelines. Dave Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Sun, 9/21/08, David McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: KERNEL HEADERS To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 7:40 AM I have been trying to install drivers for a Marvell nic and an Atheros wireless on my new Toshiba laptop but when I run the install scripts I get the error Kernel Headers not found. If I try to install them RPM it says they are already installed. I have searched the archives but can't find a reference to where they are. I have loaded FC-9 x86_64, I use it on two other machines with no problem, on a Toshiba Satellite and the hardware is factory installed on it. I have found the tar balls to get them working if I can just find where the headers are. Thanks Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines # rpm -qa kernel-headers if they ae installed will return [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qa kernel-headers kernel-headers-2.6.26.3-29.fc9.i386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ if they are not present for your running kernel `uname -r`, then you may # yum install kernel-headers Regards, Antonio Yes. Its looking for them under /usr/src/kernel and they don't seem to be there. I was wondering if they might be in a library somewhere else. Do you have the kernel-devel package? If not, install it. That will give you additional headers under the /usr/src/kernels tree which are often required for compiling drivers. poc I just noticed that you are using the ath5k driver on your system. That is what I am tring to get working on my Tosiba laptop. How did you insall it. I am using FC09 is that what you are using? I can't connect to the internet until I get either the nic ar wireless working. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Workspace Switcher problem in Fedora 9
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:00 +0100, Dan Track wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:17 +0100, Dan Track wrote: Hi I've just noticed that I can't increase the default number of workspaces in fedora 9. The only way to increase them is by adding rows, so where has the option to add workspace to the current row gone, and how do I get it back? I'm not having this problem at all. Try creating a separate, new user account, and see if that user has the problem. If not, can your normal user write to the ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/ folder? Does this work? (It should set the number of workspaces to 10, rows to 1.) gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 10 gconftool-2 -s --type int /apps/panel/applets/workspace_switcher/prefs/num_rows 1 Thanks for the reply. I've just tried running your commands. They both ran without giving any errors but it didn't change my panel though. I haven't had a chance to log out yet but I can do. Just so you know its a new installation which I did yesterday - no fancy extra's from external sources - all fedora. I've also updated to the latest updates. Any thoughts? I'll have to give this a try from my laptop -- I'm actually running remotely over VNC right now so I can't enable desktop effects from here. -- Thanks for testing. Look forward to hearing from you. Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nvida drivers
Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 02:52:47PM -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Armin Moradi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't think there are updated drivers for the newest kernel yet, so you just have to wait! That's why you don't have 3D effects. No, that's not right. It is if the OP is (sensibly) using the livna packaged drivers; the livna build system is out of commission at the moment. Some details, and couple of possible work-arounds, here: http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2008/09/live-is-bitch-livna-buildsys-down-thus.html Ewan This is one reason that I like the FreshRPMs way of doing the kernel mod. It will re-create the kernel module on reboot as required using Dynamic Kernel Modules (DKMS). The only time this didn't work was when the Nvidia driver was not compatible with the kernel. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedroa 9 32 bit
Dose fedroa 9 32 bit see 4g of ram ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Nvidia-Xconfig
Hi, Does anyone know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig? I installed the Nvidia drivers but am being prompted than I am not using the Nvidia X driver and that I need to edit my X configuration by using Nvidia-Xconfig. I can open up the manual by typing man Nvidia-Xconfig but I do not know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig. I am using Fedora 9/64 KDE 4.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nvidia-Xconfig
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig? I installed the Nvidia drivers but am being prompted than I am not using the Nvidia X driver and that I need to edit my X configuration by using Nvidia-Xconfig. I can open up the manual by typing man Nvidia-Xconfig but I do not know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig. I am using Fedora 9/64 KDE 4.1 As root: nvidia-xconfig Can't get any easier than that. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] LlamaLand https://netllama.linux-sxs.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command help?
Bradley wrote: Aldo Foot wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I am starting to do some more advanced automated maintenance on my system but can't find a nifty way to do something and was wondering if anyone out there can help me with this. I am configuring my system to do an automated backup of all my data (2 to 4 hours per week) but need it to do certain things to protect the process. For an unattended process, I need to know how to: 1. Force all users currently logged on to be logged off (preferably with at least a 5 minute notice). 2. Prevent anyone from logging on. 3. Prevent the system from being shut down or rebooted. 4. Shut down the X server (speeds up processing time considerably). 5. After finished to restart X server and allow shutdown and logins. If anyone knows any commands to do at least some of these, I would appreciate knowing how. The part about shutting down the X server is optional but would be nice but not allowing anyone to be logged in and preventing system shut down is necessary. Bradley My 0.02 cents. start by doing man on login, nologin, shutdown, killall etc... /etc/nologin -- prevents user logins shutdown -k Don't really shutdown; only send the warning messages to everybody. killall -u, --user Kill only processes the specified user owns. Command names are optional. ~af Thanks for the input but, unfortunately, this doesn't give the results that I need. I gave up and configured one of the run levels for doing the needed tasks and have the system reboot into that run level where it does what I need it to and then reboots the system back to the normal run level. Not a pretty arrangement but it seems to work. While in the special run level, it does not activate any unnecessary services (network, servers, Xserver, etc.) and does not allow any user logins. This turned out to be simpler and cleaner to set up than what I had previously considered. Here's a script that might do what you want: --- CUT HERE --- #!/bin/bash # Send a message to all users... wall The system will be shutting down in five minutes. Please log off now! # Prevent new logins... echo Logins temporarily disabled /etc/nologin # Wait 5 minutes... sleep 300 # Log off all users... for USER in `who | cut -d -f 1`; do if [ $USER != root ]; then killall -u $USER; fi; done # Shut down X by going to run level 3... telinit 3 echo System quiescent...ready for updates echo -n Press the ENTER key when you want to return to normal: read USERINPUT # Re-enable logins... rm -f /etc/nologin # Restart X... telinit 5 telinit Q echo System returned to normal exit 0 --- CUT HERE --- This script must be run as root in a virtual console (ALT-F1, ALT-F2, etc.--NOT an xterm). It may break at the telinit 3 bit (I think it'll continue to run). I've not tested it, but there's nothing particularly dangerous about it. Note that there's no way to prevent reboots or shutdowns. Normally, CTRL-ALT-DEL will do a soft shutdown/reboot. You can change that to a hard reboot (no syncing of dirty disk buffers, etc.), but you can't stop it. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas.- - After all, 31 Oct is the same as 25 Dec! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nvidia-Xconfig
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonni J Friedman wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig? I installed the Nvidia drivers but am being prompted than I am not using the Nvidia X driver and that I need to edit my X configuration by using Nvidia-Xconfig. I can open up the manual by typing man Nvidia-Xconfig but I do not know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig. I am using Fedora 9/64 KDE 4.1 As root: nvidia-xconfig Can't get any easier than that. I tried that already but all I get is error command not found. I even tried going to the folder containing nvidia-xconfig but I still get the same error when I just type nvidia-xconfig. It should have been installed in /usr/bin, which is, by default, in your $PATH. So unless you've got a non-traditional setup, it should work fine. Did you install the official driver package, or an RPM ? -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] LlamaLand https://netllama.linux-sxs.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gossips about ATI and 3D
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:05 PM, David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, are there any infos / gossips where should be 3D support for ATI available under X.Org 7.3 (especially for Fedora 9). I have heard that radeonhd should support 3D for HD2400 ATI cards (mine) at beginning of next year. I definitely do not like downgrading Xorg to older version. DO not understand what is wrong with ATI developer guys , they are lazy or bad paid :) Well, it's harder than you think it is especially when the ATI effors are split between three different teams with different agendas - ATI proprietary (binary) team - xorg-ati team - xorg-radeonhd team They are essentially doing the same thing but with various levels of support, architecture and resources. I passionately hate ATI binaries since they don't work on almost any new distribution out of the box due to either lack of kernel support or Xorg support. So it's pretty much useless. Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:05:17 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:32:16 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaarrgg : I update firefox more days than not. Why would you do that? Very simple -- I'm talking about what the firefox updater calls updates : i.e., new releases of any or several add-ons, *not* new releases of Firefox itself. What else am I supposed to call them, instead of what Firefox itself calls them?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2, Epiphany 2, Opera 9, Firefox 2 3 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nvidia-Xconfig
Lonni J Friedman wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonni J Friedman wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig? I installed the Nvidia drivers but am being prompted than I am not using the Nvidia X driver and that I need to edit my X configuration by using Nvidia-Xconfig. I can open up the manual by typing man Nvidia-Xconfig but I do not know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig. I am using Fedora 9/64 KDE 4.1 As root: nvidia-xconfig Can't get any easier than that. I tried that already but all I get is error "command not found". I even tried going to the folder containing nvidia-xconfig but I still get the same error when I just type nvidia-xconfig. It should have been installed in /usr/bin, which is, by default, in your $PATH. So unless you've got a non-traditional setup, it should work fine. Did you install the official driver package, or an RPM ? My installation is in /usr/sbin and is an official driver package. Strange ha? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel bug in 2.6.25-14.fc9.x86_64 for r8101E NIC?
Alan Cox wrote: - GSI 17 (level, low) - IRQ 17 Sep 24 09:02:22 localhost kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0208 What is needed to debug this is all the stuff after the BUG: line - the numbers and trace information. If you can capture that then it should be easy to work out if what you are seeing is a fixed bug and a kernel update will help. Alan Will do. I renamed the old driver r8169 to offr8169, rebooted and was able to install the r8101 driver. (There was typo in the original post indicating it was the r8108 driver.) I'll re-generate the error messages and post the results on Friday. (I deleted the old /var/log/messages file since there was to much noise in it so I need to reboot to regenerate the errors but my machine is currently updating Fedora.) The LAN, wireless and sound are working so I'm happy camper. -- Article. VI. Clause 3 of the constitution of the United States states: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nvidia-Xconfig
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonni J Friedman wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonni J Friedman wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Alex Makhlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig? I installed the Nvidia drivers but am being prompted than I am not using the Nvidia X driver and that I need to edit my X configuration by using Nvidia-Xconfig. I can open up the manual by typing man Nvidia-Xconfig but I do not know how to run Nvidia-Xconfig. I am using Fedora 9/64 KDE 4.1 As root: nvidia-xconfig Can't get any easier than that. I tried that already but all I get is error command not found. I even tried going to the folder containing nvidia-xconfig but I still get the same error when I just type nvidia-xconfig. It should have been installed in /usr/bin, which is, by default, in your $PATH. So unless you've got a non-traditional setup, it should work fine. Did you install the official driver package, or an RPM ? My installation is in /usr/sbin and is an official driver package. Strange ha? From where did you obtain the driver package? Which driver version did you install? Are you running it as root ? -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] LlamaLand https://netllama.linux-sxs.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:43:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very simple -- I'm talking about what the firefox updater calls updates : i.e., new releases of any or several add-ons, *not* new releases of Firefox itself. If you remove the extraneous language packs as I instructed earlier, they will not come back until you update Firefox. Updating the add-ons is not updating Firefox. What else am I supposed to call them, instead of what Firefox itself calls them?? I would call it updating a Firefox add-on or extension. Which is a completely different issue than updating Firefox. Here, by the way, probably lies your problem. Your original issue was long start-up times and instability. If you're really loading that many extensions and add-ons into Firefox, that's the reason. The higher you pile the load on the wagon, the harder it is to pull and the more likely it is that something will fall off. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com DRY CLEANER BUSINESS FOR SALE ~ http://www.canadadrycleanerforsale.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Your favorite Music/Video player?
I have been using Amarok for awhile, but I find it so frustrating to use when it comes to updating tags - it seems to do a very poor job reading/updating the audio file tags. I want to switch to something else that is more reliable, Amarok crashes alot esp. under heavy load. I liked Amarok's layout/list and other nifty features but it is getting to the point that I am unable to consistently keep my tags straight. Amarok seems to have trouble handling ID3 tags (I use Audio Tags Tools externally in attempts to force tags they way I want them to be and ATT supports ID3 v1.0 and v2.0) but Amarok has a nasty habit of reading these tags improperly and/or inconsistently so it seems, so I am ready to move on. What do you recommend as a replacement? Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Xbmc on Fedora? (fabulous mediacenter application)
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Scott Harvanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent, Does this work for you? http://fedorajunkies.com/index.php/XBMC ;) That's how I did it on Fedora 8, I'm sure it would work for Fedora 9 just the same way (change the livna repo of course). Please, if it does work on F9 let me know, if it does not please tell me what you had to change so I can update that how-to for F9 as well Enjoy! (XBMC is sweet) Valent Turkovic wrote: http://xbmc.org/ The multiplatform version of XboxMediaCenter is out, but there are only instuctions how to install it on Ubunut :( If anybody manages to install it on Fedora please post your howto. If you haven't seen XboxMediaCenter you will be amazed how functiona and estetic this application is! I'm using it on my Xbox 1 console and I'm really blown away by it every time I use it. screenshots: http://xbmc.org/media/ videos: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=xbmc# Cheers, Valent. -- Scott Harvanek PGP KeyID: 0xCBCE5168 | URL: http://www.mcguyverofbeer.com/pgp.html http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScottHarvanek ./configure fails here: checking for main in -lmysqlclient... no configure: error: == Could not find a required library. Please see README.linux I installed all mysql packages and I still get an error under Fedora 9! Any suggestions? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Your favorite Music/Video player?
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:39:19 -0700 Dan Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been using Amarok for awhile, but I find it so frustrating to use when it comes to updating tags - it seems to do a very poor job reading/updating the audio file tags. I want to switch to something else that is more reliable, Amarok crashes alot esp. under heavy load. I liked Amarok's layout/list and other nifty features but it is getting to the point that I am unable to consistently keep my tags straight. Amarok seems to have trouble handling ID3 tags (I use Audio Tags Tools externally in attempts to force tags they way I want them to be and ATT supports ID3 v1.0 and v2.0) but Amarok has a nasty habit of reading these tags improperly and/or inconsistently so it seems, so I am ready to move on. What do you recommend as a replacement? Thanks! Dan http://sourceforge.net/projects/gmusicbrowser/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedroa 9 32 bit
William Biggs wrote: Dose fedroa 9 32 bit see 4g of ram ? The 32-bit generic .i686 kernel sees what the BIOS tells it is available. If you google it, you'll find a couple of good explanations as to why 32-bit generic .i686 kernels don't see (or can't use) all 4GB, it is usually something less (like 3.5 or 3.75 GB, depends on the motherboard). In order to use *all* 4GB of RAM (or more), you need to use a PAE enabled kernel instead of the generic .i686 kernel. .x86_64 fedora kernels do not usually have this restriction and can use all installed ram. If your CPU is 64-bit capable, that's a good reason to run it in 64-bit mode. -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Your favorite Music/Video player?
Dan Thurman wrote: Amarok seems to have trouble handling ID3 tags (I use Audio Tags Tools externally in attempts to force tags they way I want them to be and ATT supports ID3 v1.0 and v2.0) but Amarok has a nasty habit of reading these tags improperly and/or inconsistently so it seems Amarok (which uses taglib for this), supports ID3v2.4, problem with interoperability is that many *other* tagging apps don't, which is what is usually the the problem. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Xbmc on Fedora? (fabulous mediacenter application)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Did you see my comment on creating the symlink for the library? ln -s /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15.0.0 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so - -Scott Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 25/09/08 20:48, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Scott Harvanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent, Does this work for you? http://fedorajunkies.com/index.php/XBMC ;) That's how I did it on Fedora 8, I'm sure it would work for Fedora 9 just the same way (change the livna repo of course). Please, if it does work on F9 let me know, if it does not please tell me what you had to change so I can update that how-to for F9 as well Enjoy! (XBMC is sweet) Valent Turkovic wrote: http://xbmc.org/ The multiplatform version of XboxMediaCenter is out, but there are only instuctions how to install it on Ubunut :( If anybody manages to install it on Fedora please post your howto. If you haven't seen XboxMediaCenter you will be amazed how functiona and estetic this application is! I'm using it on my Xbox 1 console and I'm really blown away by it every time I use it. screenshots: http://xbmc.org/media/ videos: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=xbmc# Cheers, Valent. -- Scott Harvanek PGP KeyID: 0xCBCE5168 | URL: http://www.mcguyverofbeer.com/pgp.html http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScottHarvanek ./configure fails here: checking for main in -lmysqlclient... no configure: error: == Could not find a required library. Please see README.linux I installed all mysql packages and I still get an error under Fedora 9! Any suggestions? Did you install mysql-devel and mysql-libs? - -- Scott PGP KeyID: 0xCBCE5168 | URL: http://www.mcguyverofbeer.com/pgp.html PGP for Thunderbird: http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2+nAlWDpZ8vOUWgRAnm+AJ9YqQjQENlxULjhxVkD6mpI7QM0LwCfU/t5 bpNnEbdN9APdzgkhjtOmis0= =x6Ea -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:02:53 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:43:28 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] What else am I supposed to call them, instead of what Firefox itself calls them?? I would call it updating a Firefox add-on or extension. Which is a completely different issue than updating Firefox. Well, I wish I had guessed that at the outset. Here, by the way, probably lies your problem. Your original issue was long start-up times and instability. If you're really loading that many extensions and add-ons into Firefox, that's the reason. The higher you pile the load on the wagon, the harder it is to pull and the more likely it is that something will fall off. All right, at least, at last, we get down to it. What is a reasonable number of extensions to run? I.e., a number that will still keep Firefox fast and stable? And are all extensions equal, in the loads they add, whether to speed or to stability? (I doubt that, come to think of it.) Is there any way to identify, or even guess, which ones are prime candidates for jettisoning? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Your favorite Music/Video player?
Rex Dieter wrote: Amarok (which uses taglib for this), supports ID3v2.4, problem with interoperability is that many *other* tagging apps don't, which is what is usually the the problem. and that and almost makes sense makes almost. arg. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nvidia-Xconfig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Makhlin wrote: | Lonni J Friedman wrote: | As root: | nvidia-xconfig | | Can't get any easier than that. | I tried that already but all I get is error command not found. I even | tried going to the folder containing nvidia-xconfig but I still get the | same error when I just type nvidia-xconfig. What does locate bin/nvidia-xconfig|xargs ls -l return? - -- - -John ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI2+vJjXa7jixmuZsRAqtbAKCvX/g1bq9ndniUG/VjuIf/Lim6QwCghW8h HEXkE1aPIRpbA0BKXfbANVM= =G0zy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: System Update already in progress
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to manually update the F9 system today and got the message back system update already in progress but the update seems to be stuck. Is there a way to clear this condition? Thanks. do you have some cron job to automatically run updates? the only yum process that should be running constantly is yum-updatesd for automatic updates notifications. how about using ps to find all yum running process and see what's going on? Just kill them. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
f9 updates fail because of missing dependencies
fc9 update is failing because of a missing dependency. the missing dependency, according to yum, is kdepim 6:3.5.9-10.fc9. This for 32-bit fedora, the last successful update for which on my system was on 9/18/2008. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command help?
Bradley wrote: Instead of rebooting, you could use telinit to change the run level. It will stop/start services as necessary to match the configuration for that run level. Mikkel Actually, I tried that but for some reason telinit doesn't work correctly. It doesn't shut down or start everything it's suppose to when called up. I get no errors and I still don't know why. This is why I have to reboot. It's not uncommon for there to be missing Kxx* files in one of the /etc/rc.d/rcX.d directories. Without them, the system won't stop those processes. It SHOULD start everything unless there are some pid files left in /var/run that indicate the daemon is running when, in reality, it isn't. For example, if you simply kill -9 httpd, the /var/run/httpd.pid file remains in place and a service httpd start won't start Apache since the script thinks it's already running. Delete /var/run/httpd.pid and the script will start Apache. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Diplomacy: The art of saying Nice doggy! until you can find a - -big enough rock.- -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:48 + (UTC) Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to identify, or even guess, which ones are prime candidates for jettisoning? Everything that you don't actually need would be a good place to start. Go through the list and uninstall the un-necessary stuff. It's hard for me to tell you what you need as you're the one who's using your computer. I can, however, tell you that you probably don't need 70+ extensions. It all depends on what you're doing and how you like to do it. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com DRY CLEANER BUSINESS FOR SALE ~ http://www.canadadrycleanerforsale.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: f9 updates fail because of missing dependencies
Dave Feustel wrote: fc9 update is failing because of a missing dependency. the missing dependency, according to yum, is kdepim 6:3.5.9-10.fc9. What does yum say *exactly*? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: System Update already in progress
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 03:46:28PM -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: I tried to manually update the F9 system today and got the message back system update already in progress but the update seems to be stuck. Is there a way to clear this condition? Thanks. I disabled the update for kdepim-4.1.1 which has a dependency on kdepim 6:3;5.9-10.fc9 which seems to be missing. Then all the other updates succeeded. The kdepim update is still mindlessly repeating over and over, each one failing because of the missing dependency. This sorcerer's apprentice behavior gets annoying REAL fast. How about getting this fixed? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KERNEL HEADERS
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:18 -0400, David McCormick wrote: I just noticed that you are using the ath5k driver on your system. That is what I am tring to get working on my Tosiba laptop. How did you insall it. I didn't. It came with the system. I am using FC09 is that what you are using? The same (F9). I can't connect to the internet until I get either the nic ar wireless working. Me neither. I got no useful replies to my query on this list, tried the madwifi driver from Livna (which wouldn't install because of some dependancy I can't remember) and had to leave it for the moment. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:43 +, Beartooth wrote: All right, at least, at last, we get down to it. What is a reasonable number of extensions to run? I.e., a number that will still keep Firefox fast and stable? That's like asking how long is a piece of string, since everyone's needs are different. However I can comment that I currently have 22 add-ons installed and enabled, and another half dozen or so installed but disabled. And are all extensions equal, in the loads they add, whether to speed or to stability? (I doubt that, come to think of it.) Obviously not. FlagFox shows a little flag for the country of the website you're visiting, and I doubt it takes as many resources as some Gmail add-ons I have. Is there any way to identify, or even guess, which ones are prime candidates for jettisoning? Not as far as I know. It would be a Good Thing (tm) of course. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
nvidia RAID support - dual boot
I have a system setup for two-disk RAID 1 using something called NVIDIA nForce RAID Controller. I have read that some of these RAID controllers are mainly SW, some are not. Regardless, would FC9 or later be able to install and take advantage of whatever HW RAID features are present? What about dual boot? If I have XP using the above controller, can I create a partition for Fedora and expect it to utilize RAID in the same way? Do I have to partition each disk separately but identically using another tool, or would the FC installer handle both disks in one go? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Command help?
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of rebooting, you could use telinit to change the run level. It will stop/start services as necessary to match the configuration for that run level. Mikkel Actually, I tried that but for some reason telinit doesn't work correctly. It doesn't shut down or start everything it's suppose to when called up. I get no errors and I still don't know why. This is why I have to reboot. Bradley I have observed the same behavior with telinit. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: System Update already in progress
Dave Feustel wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 03:46:28PM -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: I tried to manually update the F9 system today and got the message back system update already in progress but the update seems to be stuck. Is there a way to clear this condition? Thanks. I disabled the update for kdepim-4.1.1 which has a dependency on kdepim-4.1.1? That's not in stock f9. Feel free to use it, but however you got it, be aware that you're treading in unsupported territory, so if something breaks, you get to keep the pieces. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Symlinks in RPMs
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:38:43 -0400, Jameson wrote: I'm working on trying to get a package up to snuff for review, and ran into a problem. It included a couple of fonts that I stripped out. Thankfully they're already in a font package included in Fedora. Unfortunately it turns out that their location is hard coded in the software. I'm trying to setup symlinks to them in the install section, but rpmlint always complains about them being dangling. What's the appropriate way to handle these things? Run rpmlint on the _installed_ package instead of the uninstalled package. What do you get? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hmm... I just installed my package, and ran rpmlint on that rpm file. I'm still getting dangling relative symlinks for my fonts. If I check the links they are pointing to where the fonts are installed by the font package, though. Do I need to run it against the package in my rpm database somehow? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
