Re: flash plugin sound

[Fernando Apesteguía]

On 9/30/08, John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Mark Haney wrote:
>
> | My daughter told me over the weekend that there was no sound from
> | flash-enabled websites for the last couple of weeks on her Fedora 9
> | system.  (My middle daughter told me the same).
> |
> | I thought it was a pulseaudio problem, but sound works everywhere else.
> |  Has there been an update or something that's caused this problem?  It
> | was working beautifully until then.
> |
> | (I wish I had more information, but there's nothing in syslog, and I
> | haven't done updates in that time.
>
> I have the same problem with Fedora8, appearing within the last couple
> days. Reinstalled the flash-plugin, reinstalled libflashsupport, no joy.
>
> Sound works fine elsewhere; just not flash. I have to use Google Chrome
> in wine to get sound with flash now.

Hi all,

I had this problem in a F9 on x86_64. I followed the instructions at
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f9.html#flash and now
it's working properly again.

In my case the problem seemed to be that an update broke something
with nspluginwrapper cause launching firefox from a terminal (maybe
you can do it to see if you get some useful debug info) showed the
plugin wrapper was not found.

HTH

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Re: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[linux guy]

Interesting tidbit... the external drive has 2 interfaces.  USB and eSATA.
I just mounted the drive and formatted it via USB without any problems.  Now
hwbrowser doesn't crash when the drive is connected via eSATA.  But the
drive doesn't appear in eSATA either.
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VPN over Linux Box.

[ashwinbond]

Hi,
I’ve installed Linux fedora 3 on my machine and I want to develop the VPN 
server on Linux. I’ve several machines which access the linux box as gateway 
for net and mail usage. The Webmin cp is installed on it. Now I want, if any 
external windows based machine want to connect my internal windows server using 
RDP through linux gateway, the linux server should give the access to my 
internal machine using VPN connection; is it possible? There is broadband 
service running on my linux server. How I can give the RDP access of internal 
network (windows) machine to external windows based machine through linux ..?

Thanks

Regards,
Ashwin


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Ed Greshko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's the thing I'm trying to get across, and it findable via google.
>> KDE4 does not have desktop icons.
> What do you actually mean by that?


Read this and tell me, maybe I misunderstood, in which I am wrong:
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-more-desktop-icons-in-41.html

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Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 09:30:39PM -0300, Armin Moradi wrote:
> 
>So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better,
>Git or Subversion as versioning control system (VCS?).  If you can, please
>come up  with some reasons too!  Like what benefits do you think your 
> preferred
>one has  that the other one doesn't offer!
>answers are very much appreciated :)
>--

Read about Mecurial and RCS.

This is a BIG topic and you need to disclose the size of the 
team and their preferences.

If it is just you use RCS.

If it is your company look at bitkeeper (not free) and understand
fully why kernel folks  switched.   If you have the budget give it 
a hard look.  t

If you are joining a project hook up with what ever tree tools
are used up stream.   All of them let you generate diffs that
you can send into the maintainer.

If you are a public company look into CVS and a well managed well firewalled 
server
and more...


Mecurial should be on your short list.



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Re: Evolution and Gmail

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:36:29AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 17:14 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 07:43:22PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 23:49 +, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > > > > PS "Works" is a relative term here. "Mostly works" is closer to the
> > > > > truth because Evo occasionally loses contact with Gmail and has to
...
> > I often see gmail connections die even with 'mutt' and have started to
> > sync my mail box prior to a reply.  Often after a well considered email
> > (=lots of time editing) I find that my connection to the mailbox is gone.
> 
> You may find this interesting:
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.mutt/browse_thread/thread/d24f6f01cc5a3817
> 
> Executive summary: for Mutt, reduce imap_keepalive to under 10 minutes.
> For Evolution I don't know what the equivalent is, but I've set the
> "check for new mail" timeout to 5 minutes to see what happens.

Thanks the mutt param change seems to help. 
  so many knobs and so little time  ;-)





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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 10:40 PM 9/29/2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote:

>

KDE4 does not have desktop icons. Panels on the desktop can have
icons/launchers.

<

Then what are those graphic icon-looking things that are on my desktop?

They aren't on any panel, to my understanding of "panels"... unless 
the desktop is one big panel, in which case why can't I sort?



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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 21:40 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> That's the thing I'm trying to get across, and it findable via google.
> KDE4 does not have desktop icons.

Sure it does. Right-click on an app in the menu and select "Add to
Desktop".

poc

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Re: Followup: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 22:34 -0400, Eric wrote:
> So, if I want to install KDE3, what do I do?

AFAIK KDE 3.5 is not supported for F9, except for the limited parts you
already mentioned. Of course you can always compile it yourself (maybe
someone has done it already but I don't know of any such effort).

poc

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Ed Greshko]

Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>
> That's the thing I'm trying to get across, and it findable via google.
> KDE4 does not have desktop icons. 
What do you actually mean by that?

One can, for example, go the the application launcher on the default
panel...then go to "Applications-->Internet" and then drag/drop the
firefox icon onto the desktop.   You then have an "icon" on your desktop
and when you right-click on it there is even a menu "Icon Settings".

> Panels on the desktop can have
> icons/launchers. You may want to get a single panel with a set of the
> icons you need and sort them there. I haven't tried that myself as I
> rarely use desktop icons.
>
>   


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 20:42 -0400, Eric wrote:
> At 07:34 PM 9/29/2008, Claude Jones wrote:
> 
>  >
> >I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
> >is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
> >of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
> >didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
> >taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.
> <
> 
> Good evening, Claude.
> 
> I understand it perfectly!  And if the ability to rearrange icons is 
> likely to show up in an early release, I'm perfectly happy.  But, 
> such an ability is so basic to just about any desktop that I found it 
> really odd that it wasn't there.
> 
> (I'm told that you can sort icons within panels.  I haven't figured 
> out how to use panels yet ... and as for the one that comes up by 
> default in a fresh KDE install, I must have clicked on something 
> because it's gone and I haven't yet figured out how to get it back.)

part of the problem is that the desktop is not a normal storage space
and thus by intent, there isn't a normal interaction with the desktop
that you are used to.

I understand your expectations and I think most people shared those
expectations because that is what we are used to.

> It would have been nice to have the option of reverting to KDE3 in an 
> official, supported way... maybe something like "yum groupremove kde" 
> and "yum groupinstall kde3", until such time as KDE4 becomes more 
> nearly as feature-rich as KDE3 was.

it's already feature rich, it just doesn't have the features that match
your expectations. The KDE 4 desktop is what I call a dead zone (verizon
take note) and files aren't all that useful on a KDE 4 desktop. The
'folder view' panel in 4.1 is just this side of useless.

The truth is that the decision was made by the Fedora-KDE team not to try to 
implement both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 on Fedora 9 because doing so would have 
required a non-standard implementation of one or the other besides the problem 
of having to maintain twice the number of packages.

Craig

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Re: VMware fails to build with the new kernel

[strooby]

http://www.it-psycho.de/downloads/vmware-any-any-update117-itpsycho.tar.bz2 [1] 
the correct download link :d excuses


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Re: VMware fails to build with the new kernel

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Using 2.6.x kernel build system.
make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only'
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-29.fc9.i686/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD 
SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.26.3-29.fc9.i686'
CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o
/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:146: error: unknown field 
‘nopage’ specified in initializer
/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:147: warning: initialization from 
incompatible pointer type
/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:150: error: unknown field 
‘nopage’ specified in initializer
/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:151: warning: initialization from 
incompatible pointer type
make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.26.3-29.fc9.i686'
make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2
make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only'
Unable to build the vmmon module.

For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please
visit our Web site at "http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html"; and
"http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.html";.

Execution aborted.
In the end I have got it to run using the followinghopefully it will help 
anyone else out there having the same issues

I have the following: 2.6.26.3-29.fc9.i686 and am installing the following: 
Vmware server 1.0.7 or 2.0 works also!

download this from:

http://www.it-psycho.de/downloads/vm...psycho.tar.bz2 [1]

cd to the download folder and run ./runme.pl

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [2] vmware-any-any-update117-itpsycho]# ./runme.pl
Updating /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl ... already patched
Updating /usr/bin/vmware ... No patch needed/available
Updating /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge ... No patch needed/available
Updating /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx ... No patch needed/available
Updating /usr/lib/vmware/bin-debug/vmware-vmx ... No patch needed/available
VMware modules in "/usr/lib/vmware/modules/source" has been updated.

Before running VMware for the first time after update, you need to configure it
for your running kernel by invoking the following command:
"/usr/bin/vmware-config.pl". Do you want this script to invoke the command for
you now? [yes]

Making sure services for VMware Server are stopped.

Stopping VMware services:
Virtual machine monitor [ OK ]

Configuring fallback GTK+ 2.4 libraries.

now it works :-)


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Re: Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 problem -- Fedora 9 install.

[Fred Silsbee]

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 problem -- Fedora 9 install.
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:49 AM
> Hi --
> 
> Installed fc9 on a server from fc8 and had a scsi
> controller Adaptec
> 29160 Ultra160 SCSI adapter
> give me grief. It's used with an lto autochanger. When
> I entered:
> 
> mtx -d /dev/changer status
> (/dev/changer a symlink to /dev/sg6)
> 
> It hung for a while, (a huge listing follows, sorry about
> this), then
> kernel messages gallor.
> 
> Anyway I tried  reseating the card, moving the card to an
> alternate
> slot, checking the cabling, reboot the autochanger,
> reboot the system  --all did _not_ help.
> 
> I pulled the card and replaced it with a Adaptec AIC-7892A
> U160/m (rev
> 02)  and the autochanger and lto drive worked.
> I also had to swap cables because of the interface
> differences.
> 
> Long story, but can anyone say that this card looks broken?
> It has a 5
> year warranty and would like to get it replaced if so. Or
> is
> it a driver issue/I couldn't find a direct hit
> searching the web or in
> the archives?
> 
> I think my head is still sore from banging it against the
> autochanger!
> Thanks for _any_ help!
> 
> -- Gary
> 
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5 : Adaptec AIC79XX
> PCI-X SCSI HBA
> DRIVER, Rev 3.0
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: PCIx Ultra320
> SCSI adapter>
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel:aic7901: Ultra320
> Wide Channel
> A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 101-133Mhz, 512 SCBs
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt
> :04:01.0[A] ->
> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: e1000: :04:01.0:
> e1000_probe:
> (PCI:66MHz:32-bit) 00:0e:0c:d9:8d:54
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:0:
> Sequential-Access HP
>   Ultrium 4-SCSI   B12H PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1:
> asynchronous
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5:A:1:0: Tagged Queuing
> enabled.  Depth 4
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Beginning
> Domain Validation
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: wide
> asynchronous
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: FAST-160
> WIDE SCSI
> 320.0 MB/s DT IU RTI PCOMP (6.25 ns, offset 64)
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Domain
> Validation
> skipping write tests
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Ending
> Domain Validation
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:1: Medium
> Changer
> OVERLAND NEO Series   0504 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5:A:1:1: Tagged Queuing
> enabled.  Depth 4
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: e1000: eth2: e1000_probe:
> Intel(R)
> PRO/1000 Network Connection
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: uevent:
> version 1.0.3
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: ioctl:
> 4.13.0-ioctl
> (2007-10-18) initialised: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: multipath:
> version 1.0.5 loaded
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: EXT3 FS on sda1, internal
> journal
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Adding 25165812k swap on
> /dev/sda2.
> Priority:-1 extents:1 across:25165812k
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: IA-32 Microcode Update
> Driver: v1.14a
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU0 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU1 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU2 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU3 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:0: Attached scsi
> generic sg5 type 1
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:1: Attached scsi
> generic sg6 type 8
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: osst :I: Tape driver with
> OnStream
> support version 0.99.4
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: osst :I: $Id: osst.c,v 1.73
> 2005/01/01
> 21:13:34 wriede Exp $
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Driver 'osst' needs
> updating - please
> use bus_type methods
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st: Version 20080224, fixed
> bufsize
> 32768, s/g segs 256
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Driver 'st' needs
> updating - please
> use bus_type methods
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st 5:0:1:0: Attached scsi
> tape st0
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st 5:0:1:0: st0: try direct
> i/o: yes
> (alignment 4 B)
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: eth0: Link is Up 1000 Mbps
> Full
> Duplex, Fl

Re: Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 problem -- Fedora 9 install.

[Fred Silsbee]

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 problem -- Fedora 9 install.
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:49 AM
> Hi --
> 
> Installed fc9 on a server from fc8 and had a scsi
> controller Adaptec
> 29160 Ultra160 SCSI adapter
> give me grief. It's used with an lto autochanger. When
> I entered:
> 
> mtx -d /dev/changer status
> (/dev/changer a symlink to /dev/sg6)
> 
> It hung for a while, (a huge listing follows, sorry about
> this), then
> kernel messages gallor.
> 
> Anyway I tried  reseating the card, moving the card to an
> alternate
> slot, checking the cabling, reboot the autochanger,
> reboot the system  --all did _not_ help.
> 
> I pulled the card and replaced it with a Adaptec AIC-7892A
> U160/m (rev
> 02)  and the autochanger and lto drive worked.
> I also had to swap cables because of the interface
> differences.
> 
> Long story, but can anyone say that this card looks broken?
> It has a 5
> year warranty and would like to get it replaced if so. Or
> is
> it a driver issue/I couldn't find a direct hit
> searching the web or in
> the archives?
> 
> I think my head is still sore from banging it against the
> autochanger!
> Thanks for _any_ help!
> 
> -- Gary
> 
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5 : Adaptec AIC79XX
> PCI-X SCSI HBA
> DRIVER, Rev 3.0
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: PCIx Ultra320
> SCSI adapter>
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel:aic7901: Ultra320
> Wide Channel
> A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 101-133Mhz, 512 SCBs
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt
> :04:01.0[A] ->
> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: e1000: :04:01.0:
> e1000_probe:
> (PCI:66MHz:32-bit) 00:0e:0c:d9:8d:54
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:0:
> Sequential-Access HP
>   Ultrium 4-SCSI   B12H PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1:
> asynchronous
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5:A:1:0: Tagged Queuing
> enabled.  Depth 4
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Beginning
> Domain Validation
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: wide
> asynchronous
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: FAST-160
> WIDE SCSI
> 320.0 MB/s DT IU RTI PCOMP (6.25 ns, offset 64)
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Domain
> Validation
> skipping write tests
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Ending
> Domain Validation
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:1: Medium
> Changer
> OVERLAND NEO Series   0504 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5:A:1:1: Tagged Queuing
> enabled.  Depth 4
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: e1000: eth2: e1000_probe:
> Intel(R)
> PRO/1000 Network Connection
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: uevent:
> version 1.0.3
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: ioctl:
> 4.13.0-ioctl
> (2007-10-18) initialised: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: multipath:
> version 1.0.5 loaded
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: EXT3 FS on sda1, internal
> journal
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Adding 25165812k swap on
> /dev/sda2.
> Priority:-1 extents:1 across:25165812k
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting
> intel-ucode/06-0f-06
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: IA-32 Microcode Update
> Driver: v1.14a
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU0 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU1 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU2 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU3 updated
> from revision
> 0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:0: Attached scsi
> generic sg5 type 1
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:1: Attached scsi
> generic sg6 type 8
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: osst :I: Tape driver with
> OnStream
> support version 0.99.4
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: osst :I: $Id: osst.c,v 1.73
> 2005/01/01
> 21:13:34 wriede Exp $
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Driver 'osst' needs
> updating - please
> use bus_type methods
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st: Version 20080224, fixed
> bufsize
> 32768, s/g segs 256
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Driver 'st' needs
> updating - please
> use bus_type methods
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st 5:0:1:0: Attached scsi
> tape st0
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st 5:0:1:0: st0: try direct
> i/o: yes
> (alignment 4 B)
> Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: eth0: Link is Up 1000 Mbps
> Full
> Duplex, Fl

Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:23 PM 9/29/2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>
>> >>> I don't think KDE4 has icons. What are you trying to rearrange?
>
>
> Good evening, Arthur.
>
> Well... uhhh... not sure how to answer that...  there are little graphic
> things on my desktop, that I deposited there by right clicking on a menu
> item and clicking where it says "Add to desktop".  Clicking those little
> graphics brings up things like firefox or a terminal window, or a KDevelop
> instance, etc., depending on what I put there.  They sure look like icons to
> me, or what I think of when someone mentions the word "icon".
>
> What I'd like to be able to do is arrange those little graphics in
> alphabetical (or some other kind of) order.  With F8 I could just right
> click anywhere on the desktop and click on Icons->Sort Icons and it would be
> done.
>
> Can't do that with F9, although someone else told me I could do that within
> a panel.
>
> (Not quite sure exactly what a panel is or how to use them, yet.)


That's the thing I'm trying to get across, and it findable via google.
KDE4 does not have desktop icons. Panels on the desktop can have
icons/launchers. You may want to get a single panel with a set of the
icons you need and sort them there. I haven't tried that myself as I
rarely use desktop icons.

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Followup: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3

[Eric]

OK... I made a copy of my VMware F9 virtual machine, so I could screw 
it up to my heart's content and still be able to restore what I had.


Then I went in and said "yum groupremove "KDE Software Development"" 
and let that run to completion.  It left kdebase in place and removed 
everything else, so I said "yum remove kdebase" and that took care of 
removing all of KDE (or at least I hope so...).


So, if I want to install KDE3, what do I do?

On http://www.kde.org/download/ under "KDE 3 Series", then under 
Fedora, it says "KDE 3.5.10 has been pushed as an update for Fedora 8 
and 9. The Fedora 8 update includes all of KDE 3.5.10, the Fedora 9 
update only the applications which were shipped as KDE 3 versions, 
not KDE 4 versions.".


So, does that mean I download all of the files under 
"https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/FEDORA-2008-7808"; (most, 
perhaps all, of which appear to be RPMs), install them all with rpm, 
then download everything under 
"https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-7780"; and 
install that over what I installed before?


Or, is there hidden away somewhere a complete archive of KDE 3.5.10 
specifically for F9?


I know... "Just try it and see what happens"... I could do that but 
I'd rather see if any of you all can offer some insight first.


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 09:23 PM 9/29/2008, Arthur Pemberton wrote:



>>> I don't think KDE4 has icons. What are you trying to rearrange?



Good evening, Arthur.

Well... uhhh... not sure how to answer that...  there are little 
graphic things on my desktop, that I deposited there by right 
clicking on a menu item and clicking where it says "Add to 
desktop".  Clicking those little graphics brings up things like 
firefox or a terminal window, or a KDevelop instance, etc., depending 
on what I put there.  They sure look like icons to me, or what I 
think of when someone mentions the word "icon".


What I'd like to be able to do is arrange those little graphics in 
alphabetical (or some other kind of) order.  With F8 I could just 
right click anywhere on the desktop and click on Icons->Sort Icons 
and it would be done.


Can't do that with F9, although someone else told me I could do that 
within a panel.


(Not quite sure exactly what a panel is or how to use them, yet.)

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Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?

[Armin Moradi]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Paul W. Frields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 06:33:20PM -0600, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> > >So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better,
> Git or
> > >Subversion as versioning control system (VCS?).  If you can, please come
> up
> > >with some reasons too!  Like what benefits do you think your preferred
> one has
> > >that the other one doesn't offer!
> >
> > http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion
>
> I started with CVS and soon after moved to SVN, which was quite an
> improvement.  However, I recently learned git and would *never* go
> back.  For starters, it's *much* faster than any other system.  The
> use of branches is completely phenomenal.  And the ability to quickly
> set up and host a repository for anyone with just some file copies to
> any HTTP share is worth its weight in gold.
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Yes, actually recently I'm trying to learn git, and it makes a lot more
sense to do the experimental stuff in a branched repository and then merge
it in when it's done!!

Thanks for the responses guys, again, very appreciated!
I hope this thread would be of help to some other people too, although I
would still like more responses from more people ;)
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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 20:20 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:36:25PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:45 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > > > su -
> > > > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > > > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > > 
> > > This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> > > manger .
> > 
> > It does if you restart X.
> 
> I tried restarting X by typing C_A_del. Gnome came back up.

In fact you need to restart the Display Manager, not just X. Sorry for
the confusion. The easiest way is "init 3; init 5" (or reboot).

poc

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:34 PM 9/29/2008, Claude Jones wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
>> is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
>> of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
>> didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
>> taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.
>
> <
>
> Good evening, Claude.
>
> I understand it perfectly!  And if the ability to rearrange icons is likely
> to show up in an early release, I'm perfectly happy.  But, such an ability
> is so basic to just about any desktop that I found it really odd that it
> wasn't there.


I don't think KDE4 has icons. What are you trying to rearrange?


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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, linux guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Arthur Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
>> >> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
>> >> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
>> >
>> > <
>> >
>> > What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest KDE
>> > 3.x
>> > revision, for F9?
>>
>> The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
>
>
> I just switched back to KDE3.x by reinstalling F8.   What a relief.  It is a
> lot of work to do, but well worth it in my mind.  Regardless of who is or
> isn't at fault or if there was a communication issue, KDE4.1 isn't ready for
> everyday use, at least not how I envision everyday use.


1. The only more that could be done was for the KDE team to take out a
full page ad in one or more publications

2. "read for everyday desktop" is high subjective

3. After having tried KDE 4 and deciding that it wasn't for you, you
did the best thing in returning to 8.


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Re: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[Ed Greshko]

Ed Greshko wrote:
> Joseph L. Casale wrote:
>   
>>> So why does hwbrowser stall with the external drive ?
>>> 
>>>   
>> Don't know, maybe its broken? Did you try to initiate a (re)scan of
>> the applicable bus manually and then enumerate it with fdisk?
>>
>>   
>> 
> I suppose the first thing I would do is to boot the system without the
> external disk connected.  Then, I would "tail -f /var/messages" while I
> plugged in the drive and see what the system is saying  But that is
> just what I would do.
>
>   
Of course that is /var/log/messages  :-)

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Re: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[Ed Greshko]

Joseph L. Casale wrote:
>> So why does hwbrowser stall with the external drive ?
>> 
>
> Don't know, maybe its broken? Did you try to initiate a (re)scan of
> the applicable bus manually and then enumerate it with fdisk?
>
>   
I suppose the first thing I would do is to boot the system without the
external disk connected.  Then, I would "tail -f /var/messages" while I
plugged in the drive and see what the system is saying  But that is
just what I would do.

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NetworkManager update totally screwed up networking on laptop

[Arthur Pemberton]

As of a yum update to NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.11.svn4022, networking is
all screwed up. I had to manually define a wired connection to get
even that to show up and be enabled in the applet. Wifi was already
flaky, and now I just can't get any wifi on the machine.

Everything was working at least till that update as it seems to have
been a PacakgeKit led update (it needed working wifi to do the update
in the first place)

This is a machine I setup for a friend, not my laptop.

>From yum.log:
Sep 28 14:39:38 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.11.svn4022.fc9.i386
Sep 28 14:39:40 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-gnome-0.7.0-0.11.svn4022.fc9.i386
Sep 28 14:39:43 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-vpnc-0.7.0-0.10.svn4024.fc9.i386
Sep 28 14:39:48 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-openvpn-0.7.0-15.svn4027.fc9.i386

>From ifconfig:
ath0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1F:3A:13:2D:4B
  inet6 addr: fe80::21f:3aff:fe13:2d4b/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1B:38:F3:3A:A6
  inet6 addr: fe80::21b:38ff:fef3:3aa6/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:330 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:254 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:480050 (468.7 KiB)  TX bytes:21712 (21.2 KiB)
  Interrupt:16

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:4018 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:4018 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:201132 (196.4 KiB)  TX bytes:201132 (196.4 KiB)

virbr0Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr B6:79:41:55:C3:91
  inet addr:192.168.122.1  Bcast:192.168.122.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::b479:41ff:fe55:c391/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:29 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:5203 (5.0 KiB)

wifi0 Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
00-1F-3A-13-2D-4B-F4-1F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:354 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:280
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:16284 (15.9 KiB)
  Interrupt:16

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RE: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>So why does hwbrowser stall with the external drive ?

Don't know, maybe its broken? Did you try to initiate a (re)scan of
the applicable bus manually and then enumerate it with fdisk?

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DVD VOBS installed on HD, how does one start the movie?

[Dan Thurman]

I have downloaded a movie onto the hard drive
and I have a bunch of VOBs and all that but when
I open say, VLC, how does one start?

If I `open directory' it seems to find the "Welcome"
"page" and plays to the end; I can select Language, etc,
and return to "main", but from there it does not seem to
be able to `start the movie' seamlessly.

Seems at the moment, I have to select the specific VOBs
in the proper order but it is not obvious.

Any advice?

Thanks!
Dan

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Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 problem -- Fedora 9 install.

[gary artim]

Hi --

Installed fc9 on a server from fc8 and had a scsi controller Adaptec
29160 Ultra160 SCSI adapter
give me grief. It's used with an lto autochanger. When I entered:

mtx -d /dev/changer status
(/dev/changer a symlink to /dev/sg6)

It hung for a while, (a huge listing follows, sorry about this), then
kernel messages gallor.

Anyway I tried  reseating the card, moving the card to an alternate
slot, checking the cabling, reboot the autochanger,
reboot the system  --all did _not_ help.

I pulled the card and replaced it with a Adaptec AIC-7892A U160/m (rev
02)  and the autochanger and lto drive worked.
I also had to swap cables because of the interface differences.

Long story, but can anyone say that this card looks broken? It has a 5
year warranty and would like to get it replaced if so. Or is
it a driver issue/I couldn't find a direct hit searching the web or in
the archives?

I think my head is still sore from banging it against the autochanger!
Thanks for _any_ help!

-- Gary

Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5 : Adaptec AIC79XX PCI-X SCSI HBA
DRIVER, Rev 3.0
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel:
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel:aic7901: Ultra320 Wide Channel
A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 101-133Mhz, 512 SCBs
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt :04:01.0[A] ->
GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: e1000: :04:01.0: e1000_probe:
(PCI:66MHz:32-bit) 00:0e:0c:d9:8d:54
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:0: Sequential-Access HP
  Ultrium 4-SCSI   B12H PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: asynchronous
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5:A:1:0: Tagged Queuing enabled.  Depth 4
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Beginning Domain Validation
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: wide asynchronous
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: FAST-160 WIDE SCSI
320.0 MB/s DT IU RTI PCOMP (6.25 ns, offset 64)
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Domain Validation
skipping write tests
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi target5:0:1: Ending Domain Validation
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:1: Medium Changer
OVERLAND NEO Series   0504 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi5:A:1:1: Tagged Queuing enabled.  Depth 4
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: e1000: eth2: e1000_probe: Intel(R)
PRO/1000 Network Connection
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: 4.13.0-ioctl
(2007-10-18) initialised: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: device-mapper: multipath: version 1.0.5 loaded
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Adding 25165812k swap on /dev/sda2.
Priority:-1 extents:1 across:25165812k
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting intel-ucode/06-0f-06
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting intel-ucode/06-0f-06
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting intel-ucode/06-0f-06
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: firmware: requesting intel-ucode/06-0f-06
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14a
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Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU0 updated from revision
0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU1 updated from revision
0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU2 updated from revision
0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: microcode: CPU3 updated from revision
0x44 to 0xcd, date = 09162007
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:0: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 1
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: scsi 5:0:1:1: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 8
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: osst :I: Tape driver with OnStream
support version 0.99.4
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: osst :I: $Id: osst.c,v 1.73 2005/01/01
21:13:34 wriede Exp $
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Driver 'osst' needs updating - please
use bus_type methods
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st: Version 20080224, fixed bufsize
32768, s/g segs 256
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: Driver 'st' needs updating - please
use bus_type methods
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st 5:0:1:0: Attached scsi tape st0
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: st 5:0:1:0: st0: try direct i/o: yes
(alignment 4 B)
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: eth0: Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full
Duplex, Flow Control: RX
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link
becomes ready
Sep 27 10:30:15 genepi1 kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
Sep 27 10:54:58 genepi1 yum: Installed: mtx-1.3.12-1.fc9.x86_64
Sep 27 10:58:19 genepi1 kernel: 3w-9xxx: scsi4: ERROR: (0x03:0x010D):
Invalid field in CDB:.
Sep 27 10:58:19 genepi1 kernel: 3w-9xxx: scsi4: ERROR: (0x03:0x0101):
Invalid command opcode:opcode=0xB8.
Sep 27 10:58:19 genepi1 kernel: 3w-9xxx: scsi4: ERROR: (0x03:0x0101):
Invalid command opcode:opcode=0xB8.
Sep 27 11:0

Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 06:33:20PM -0600, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> >So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better, Git or
> >Subversion as versioning control system (VCS?).  If you can, please come up
> >with some reasons too!  Like what benefits do you think your preferred one 
> >has
> >that the other one doesn't offer!
> 
> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion

I started with CVS and soon after moved to SVN, which was quite an
improvement.  However, I recently learned git and would *never* go
back.  For starters, it's *much* faster than any other system.  The
use of branches is completely phenomenal.  And the ability to quickly
set up and host a repository for anyone with just some file copies to
any HTTP share is worth its weight in gold.

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Re: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[linux guy]

My laptop has the Intel 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller.
(hwbrowser)

According to http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html, Linux supports full
hotplug for this chipset.

=

AHCI (newer Intel ICH, ULi, others)
 Driver name: ahci
 Summary: Full NCQ support, full SATA control including hotplug and PM.
 Note1: AHCI specification is completely open.
 Note2: ATI, Intel, JMicron, NVIDIA, SiS, ULi and VIA are currently known to
have deployed AHCI in their chipsets.
 Hopefully others will follow. AHCI is a nice, open design.



My laptop has 2 internal SATA drives and they work perfectly, including with
hwbrowser.

So why does hwbrowser stall with the external drive ?
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Re: flash plugin sound

[John Thompson]

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| I thought it was a pulseaudio problem, but sound works everywhere else.
|  Has there been an update or something that's caused this problem?  It
| was working beautifully until then.
|
| (I wish I had more information, but there's nothing in syslog, and I
| haven't done updates in that time.

I have the same problem with Fedora8, appearing within the last couple
days. Reinstalled the flash-plugin, reinstalled libflashsupport, no joy.

Sound works fine elsewhere; just not flash. I have to use Google Chrome
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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 07:34 PM 9/29/2008, Claude Jones wrote:

>

I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.

<

Good evening, Claude.

I understand it perfectly!  And if the ability to rearrange icons is 
likely to show up in an early release, I'm perfectly happy.  But, 
such an ability is so basic to just about any desktop that I found it 
really odd that it wasn't there.


(I'm told that you can sort icons within panels.  I haven't figured 
out how to use panels yet ... and as for the one that comes up by 
default in a fresh KDE install, I must have clicked on something 
because it's gone and I haven't yet figured out how to get it back.)


It would have been nice to have the option of reverting to KDE3 in an 
official, supported way... maybe something like "yum groupremove kde" 
and "yum groupinstall kde3", until such time as KDE4 becomes more 
nearly as feature-rich as KDE3 was.


But, no problem, I'll wait...

Could you please do me a favor and point me to some of the websites 
that explain all of the rationale behind what they did for KDE4?  I 
looked around www.kde.org and didn't really find anything 
specifically on-point.


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Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?

[Thomas Thurman]

2008/9/29 Armin Moradi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better, Git or
> Subversion as versioning control system (VCS?).

There is no "better".  There is "different".

git (and bzr, and hg, and others) are distributed VCSs.  They have a
fundamentally different model to svn and CVS.

With svn and CVS, there is one master repository and all developers
check out from it and commit to it as necessary.

With git and bzr and hg and so on there are many repositories.  Any of
these can be merged with any other.  This can be one repo which is
considered the master and one on each developer's own machine, in
which case they behave similarly to svn and CVS.  However, you still
have the extra feature that a developer can commit to zir own
repository without committing to the master, and commit to the master
only when the work is ready to share.

If what you need is what svn does, and your coders all know svn, then
you can use svn.  If you have a large number of developers who do a
lot of work on different branches, or who spend a lot of time away
from the net on aeroplanes and so on, then you should use a
distributed VCS like git or bzr or hg.

If you're trying to pick what to use for a new project, it's quite
likely the hosting arrangements for that project will dictate what you
can use anyway.

peace

T

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Re: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[linux guy]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> >I've got a new laptop with an eSATA port and a new (unformatted) eSATA
> external hard drive.
> >
> >Is eSATA hot plug compatible with a stock F8 kernel ?
>
> Good question, and I don't know but I wonder if helping it find it might
> work.
> Figure out what host# that interface is on, then issue this:
>
> #echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host{n}/scan
>
> Run an #fdisk -l after, I wonder if it appears then?
>

I think the problem is deeper than if the kernel supports ESATA hotplug.
Even if I have the drive plugged in when I boot, hwbrowser hangs until I
shut the drive off.   Something is wrong with situation.  I'll do some
groundwork and report back.
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RE: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better, Git or
>Subversion as versioning control system (VCS?).  If you can, please come up
>with some reasons too!  Like what benefits do you think your preferred one has
>that the other one doesn't offer!

http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion


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Git vs. Subversion. Which one?

[Armin Moradi]

So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better, Git or

Subversion as versioning control system (VCS?).  If you can, please come up
with some reasons too!  Like what benefits do you think your preferred one
has
that the other one doesn't offer!

answers are very much appreciated :)
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RE: External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>I've got a new laptop with an eSATA port and a new (unformatted) eSATA 
>external hard drive.
>
>Is eSATA hot plug compatible with a stock F8 kernel ?

Good question, and I don't know but I wonder if helping it find it might work.
Figure out what host# that interface is on, then issue this:

#echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host{n}/scan

Run an #fdisk -l after, I wonder if it appears then?

HTH,
jlc

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Dave Feustel]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:36:25PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:45 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > > su -
> > > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > 
> > This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> > manger .
> 
> It does if you restart X.

I tried restarting X by typing C_A_del. Gnome came back up.
 
> poc
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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[linux guy]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> linux guy wrote:
>
>>
>>
>
>> FWIW, I miss Dolphin in F8.   I did a "yum install dolphin" but no luck.
>>
>
> # yum install d3lphin
>


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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[Rahul Sundaram]

linux guy wrote:






FWIW, I miss Dolphin in F8.   I did a "yum install dolphin" but no luck.


# yum install d3lphin

Rah

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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[linux guy]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


> So it must be my imagination that I'm using it every day and have done
> for a couple of months.
>

People used to use CP/M, MSDOS and Windows 2.0 too.  It doesn't mean it was
a great experience.

I used F9 since early July.   Its not for everyone.   I have no doubt that
someday it will be a nice windows environment.

FWIW, I miss Dolphin in F8.   I did a "yum install dolphin" but no luck.
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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 19:28 -0400, linux guy wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Arthur Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than
> finished and even
> >> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be
> significant feature
> >> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
> >
> > <
> >
> > What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the
> latest KDE 3.x
> > revision, for F9?
> 
> 
> The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
> 
> 
> I just switched back to KDE3.x by reinstalling F8.   What a relief.
> It is a lot of work to do, but well worth it in my mind.  Regardless
> of who is or isn't at fault or if there was a communication issue,
> KDE4.1 isn't ready for everyday use, at least not how I envision
> everyday use.

So it must be my imagination that I'm using it every day and have done
for a couple of months.

poc


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External eSATA drive doesn't fdisk properly ? F8 eSATA hotplug ?

[linux guy]

I've got a new laptop with an eSATA port and a new (unformatted) eSATA
external hard drive.

Is eSATA hot plug compatible with a stock F8 kernel ?

$ uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.26.3-14.fc8 #1 SMP Wed Sep 3 03:40:05 EDT
2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

$ /sbin/lsmod | grep sat
sata_sil24 16069  0
libata131937  3 ata_piix,sata_sil24,ahci


The reason I ask is because I expected to be able to plug it in and do an
fdisk /dev/sdc and set up a new partition.  (My laptop has 2 internal hard
drives, sda and sdb, so sdc should be the external eSATA drive, right ?)

When fdisk failed, I resorted to hwbrowser.  It stalled/crashed.

I repeated the experiment after a reboot with the drive powered up, ie not
hotplugged anymore, with the same results.

What am I missing ?

Thanks
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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Claude Jones]

On Mon September 29 2008 6:44:00 pm Eric wrote:
> There is one thing I really miss in KDE4... the ability to
> rearrange icons on the desktop by right clicking on the
> desktop and selecting some kind of "arrange icons" capability.
>  I *_REALLY_* miss that.  I cannot understand why they removed
> it.
I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4 
is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write 
of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they 
didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was 
taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh. 
There are a fair number of sites out there which try to explain 
the reasons for this - essentially, the old code-base had built-
in architectural constraints (think fitting a turbo charged 
Ferrari race engine into a Model-T chassis). Many features that 
were missing in 4.0 are returning in 4.1, but some will never 
return because the underlying paradigm is very different, and 
there's a new way of doing old things based on a whole new way of 
thinking...


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 06:44 PM 9/29/2008, Eric wrote:

>
Note that none of that works in the Classic Menu Style; right 
clicking on something just brings up that program, just as if you 
had left-clicked on it.

<

Ah, but I just discovered that in the Classic Menu Style, you can 
click on the icon and drag and drop it onto your desktop.



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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[linux guy]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Arthur Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
> >> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
> >> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
> >
> > <
> >
> > What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest KDE
> 3.x
> > revision, for F9?
>
> The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
>


I just switched back to KDE3.x by reinstalling F8.   What a relief.  It is a
lot of work to do, but well worth it in my mind.  Regardless of who is or
isn't at fault or if there was a communication issue, KDE4.1 isn't ready for
everyday use, at least not how I envision everyday use.
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Re: VDQ : machine names??

[Fred Silsbee]

--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Beartooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Beartooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: VDQ : machine names??
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:21 PM
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:19:54 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:
> 
> > I Beartooth wrote:
> >>I know it's a Very Dumb Question; I just
> can't find a general
> >> answer that works.
>   []
> >>Clue, please? Pretty please?
> >>
> >>
> > Three files can affect the system name.
> > 
> > The name seen in the prompt is from the hostname
> command, which gets set
> > from:
> > /etc/sysconfig/network
> > HOSTNAME=
> 
>   OK, I changed that one on this machine.
> 
> > When your system connects to the network, it can tell
> the network which
> > name it wants to be known as.  This name, which
> dynamic DNS servers can
> > receive from the DHCP service, are configured in the
> network
> > configuration script, such as:
> > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
> DHCP_HOSTNAME=
> 
>   That one already had the name I wanted.
> 
> > Programs on your local system use a consistent method
> to look up IP
> > addresses and associated host names.  In most cases,
> the local
> > /etc/hosts file is consulted first, and then DNS or
> other services.
> > Therefore, some applications on your system, like
> sendmail, can get
> > hostname from:
> > /etc/hosts
> 
>   Two very odd things. First nano -w doesn't make it
> obvious to me 
> (though perhaps it should) how much is one line, how much
> another :
> 
>   GNU nano 2.0.6  File: /etc/
> hosts   
> 
> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs
> # that require network functionality will fail.
> 127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost
> localhost
> ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6
> 
>   I have no idea where that 6 comes from, nor what it's
> doing there.
> 
>   Second, if I open Computer > Filesystem > /etc with
> nautilus, I 
> don't see hosts at all! The search button or search
> tool on my panel 
> finds 81 files whose name contains "hosts", one
> of which is indeed /etc/
> hosts; but clicking on that does get it in gedit, which
> looks much the 
> same : 
> 
> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs
> # that require network functionality will fail.
> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost localhost
> ::1   localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6
> 
>   Is what begins with "::1" really a different
> line, then, than the 
> 127.0.0.1 line? 
> 
>   Also, it doesn't say not to edit that line, just not
> to delete 
> it. Do I want to change "localhost" (without the
> 6) there??
> 
> > These three files/methods cover %99 of user systems,
> and are very likely
> > all you would need to look at.
> > 
> > Good Luck!
> 
>   Thanks! I've got a feelin' I'm gonna need it
> ...
> 
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> 3
> Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.
> 
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as I remember, MySQL had a mind of its own and remembered localhost.localdomain

There is a place in network configuration to change the machine name.

I'll follow your posts and learn!


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 06:31 PM 9/29/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:

>

The
only reason I brought up the apparent inability to add user icons to the
system panels is that that is  the only feature I used in kde3 that
seems not to be available (yet) in kde4.

<

You can add icons to the desktop.  There is an option there for also 
adding icons to the panel.  I don't know if that works because I 
haven't tried it, but I have added many icons to the desktop.


It appears that you have to have the so-called "Kickoff Menu Style" 
selected.  You do that by right clicking on the little "f" symbol and 
checking to see if "Switch to Kickoff Menu Style" or "Switch to 
Classic Menu Style" appears in the popup list.  If it says "Switch to 
Classic Menu Style" then do nothing; you are already in the Kickoff 
Menu Style.  Otherwise, if it says "Switch to Kickoff Menu Style", click that.


Then, find the program whose icon you want to put on your desktop, 
and right-click it.  You'll get a list that includes "Add to 
Favorites", "Add to Desktop", and "Add to Panel".  The only one I've 
tried is "Add to Desktop" and that works.


Note that none of that works in the Classic Menu Style; right 
clicking on something just brings up that program, just as if you had 
left-clicked on it.


There is one thing I really miss in KDE4... the ability to rearrange 
icons on the desktop by right clicking on the desktop and selecting 
some kind of "arrange icons" capability.  I *_REALLY_* miss that.  I 
cannot understand why they removed it.


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Re: VDQ : machine names??

[Phil Meyer]

Beartooth wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:19:54 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:

  

I Beartooth wrote:


I know it's a Very Dumb Question; I just can't find a general
answer that works.
  

[]
  

Clue, please? Pretty please?


  

Three files can affect the system name.

The name seen in the prompt is from the hostname command, which gets set
from:
/etc/sysconfig/network
HOSTNAME=



OK, I changed that one on this machine.

  

The change will take effect upon the next reboot.

When your system connects to the network, it can tell the network which
name it wants to be known as.  This name, which dynamic DNS servers can
receive from the DHCP service, are configured in the network
configuration script, such as:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 DHCP_HOSTNAME=



That one already had the name I wanted.

  

Programs on your local system use a consistent method to look up IP
addresses and associated host names.  In most cases, the local
/etc/hosts file is consulted first, and then DNS or other services.
Therefore, some applications on your system, like sendmail, can get
hostname from:
/etc/hosts



	Two very odd things. First nano -w doesn't make it obvious to me 
(though perhaps it should) how much is one line, how much another :


  GNU nano 2.0.6  File: /etc/
hosts   


# Do not remove the following line, or various programs
# that require network functionality will fail.
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost localhost
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6

I have no idea where that 6 comes from, nor what it's doing there.

	Second, if I open Computer > Filesystem > /etc with nautilus, I 
don't see hosts at all! The search button or search tool on my panel 
finds 81 files whose name contains "hosts", one of which is indeed /etc/
hosts; but clicking on that does get it in gedit, which looks much the 
same : 


# Do not remove the following line, or various programs
# that require network functionality will fail.
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost localhost
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6

	Is what begins with "::1" really a different line, then, than the 
127.0.0.1 line? 

	Also, it doesn't say not to edit that line, just not to delete 
it. Do I want to change "localhost" (without the 6) there??


  

These three files/methods cover %99 of user systems, and are very likely
all you would need to look at.

Good Luck!



Thanks! I've got a feelin' I'm gonna need it ...

  


It looks like your 'hostname' was not in /etc/hosts, so don't change it. :)
Mostly folks with fixed IPs or servers mess with /etc/hosts and then 
forget they did it. :)


Yes, those two localhost lines are required:
1 for IPv4 and 2 for IPv6

Good luck!

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Dave Feustel]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:30:25PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:17 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> 
> > Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
> > I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
> > was released.
> 
> that of course is a BGO
> 
> Fedora is leading edge and in that vein, often includes software that is
> under active development. Testing is one of the reasons users provide
> feedback.
> 
> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
> 
> Craig

Understood. Konqueror 4.1 is by far the best browser I have used.  The
only reason I brought up the apparent inability to add user icons to the
system panels is that that is  the only feature I used in kde3 that
seems not to be available (yet) in kde4.  I also have the impression
that kde has an ongoing problem with security. I gave up using both
kmail and then konsole because of security problems with both of those
programs.  But I look foreward with anticipation to future releases of
bothh Fedora and KDE.

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Re: Eliminating duplicate photos

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:09:05PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 14:00 -0400, Trapper wrote:
> > Itamar - IspBrasil wrote:
> > > create a list of md5 of all files,
> > >
> > > with md5 you will find duplicated files.
> > >
> > > On 9/29/2008 9:04 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > >> What is the best way of eliminating duplicate photos
> > >> on a number of machines, all running Fedora or CentOS?
> > >>
> > >> I suppose one could ask the same question about files generally;
> > >> how to tag or delete duplicates.
> > >>
> > >>
> > I have a problem similar to Timothy's. If I run "md5sum *" on a folder, 
> > in a terminal,  it lists all the sums. My problem is that I have several 
> > thousand files. Is there some way I can output the results to a text 
> > file? Can't copy and paste unless there's some way for me to adjust the 
> > terminal to allow the last several thousand lines to display. Then I'm 
> > also going to have to sort all those lines into some alphabetical order 
> > to reasonably detect duplicate sums. Any ideas?
> 
> You're using Linux here. Anything that outputs text to a terminal can
> send it to a file or to another program. You need to read up on Shell
> redirection and filters, e.g.:
> 
> md5sum * > sums
> 
> or
> 
> md5sum * | sort > sorted_sums
> 

The below script is not very general but can be edited to 
your need.   The SIZER value is to make it easy to find lumpy
things like duplicate ISO images.   The odd md5sum value 
pops up often for interesting reasons and is excluded.


#!  /bin/bash
# Copyright (C) 1985-2008 by Tom Mitchell 
#
# This program is free software, licensed under the GNU GPL, >=2.0. 
http://www.gnu.org/.
# This software comes with absolutely NO WARRANTY. Use at your own risk!
#
#SIZER=' -size +10240k'
SIZER=' -size +0'
#
DIRLIST=". "
find $DIRLIST  -type f $SIZER -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |\
egrep -v "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e|LemonGrassWigs" |\
sort > /tmp/looking4duplicates
tput bel; sleep 2
tput bel; sleep 2
tput bel; sleep 2
cat /tmp/looking4duplicates |  uniq --check-chars=32 --all-repeated=prepend | 
less


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 06:13 PM 9/29/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:


>>> What is the yum command for installing the KDE Software 
Development package?



yum groupinstall "KDE Software Development" (and you need to include 
the quotes...)



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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Aldo Foot]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> There's a third option, which I recommend:
>> su -
>> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>
> This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> manger .
> The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
> Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
>>
>> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the 
>> following
>> contents:
>> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
>> DESKTOP="KDE"
>>
>> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
>> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
>> the KDE live CD is set up.
>>
>> Kevin Kofler

This works:
echo DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > /etc/sysconfig/desktop

Then edit/create $HOME/.dmrc and add this:
[Desktop]
Session=kde

Change to "Session=gnome-session" for the GNOME DM.

The .dmrc is created/modified by the action of selecting a Desktop Manager
at the login GUI.

~af

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Dave Feustel]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:46:26PM -0400, Eric wrote:
> At 02:54 PM 9/29/2008, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> >
>> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software  
>> Development" to the
>> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
>> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
>> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> <
>
> Good afternoon, Kevin.
>
> Yeah, I figured there was something like that... but when you say  
> "switchdesk KDE" and there is no KDE, switchdesk tells you to  
> groupinstall "KDE Software Development".
>
> Is there anything in kde-desktop that's not in KDE Software Development?  
> In other words, after you have installed "KDE Software Development" is 
> there any advantage to then installing kde-desktop"?

What is the yum command for installing the KDE Software Development package?

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:45 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > su -
> > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> 
> This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> manger .

It does if you restart X.

poc

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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
>> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
>> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
>
> <
>
> What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest KDE 3.x
> revision, for F9?

The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.

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Re: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:56 -0400, Eric wrote:
> At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
> 
>  >
> >In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
> >with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
> >regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
> <
> 
> What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest 
> KDE 3.x revision, for F9?

there is no official way at all.

Fedora 9 was a full commitment to KDE 4

Craig

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Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)

[Eric]

At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:

>

In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.

<

What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest 
KDE 3.x revision, for F9?



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Re: Howto make a file and Link to another file

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Jim wrote:
> how do I make in /usr/lib   a file that does not exist, libraw1394.so.8
> and link it to libraw1394.so.11.
> 
You should probably read the ln man page. From the GUI, you can
right click on the file, and click on "Make a Link".

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Re: Howto make a file and Link to another file

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:37 -0400, Jim wrote:
> how do I make in /usr/lib   a file that does not exist, libraw1394.so.8 
> and link it to libraw1394.so.11.

one way of doing that is

ln -s /usr/lib/libraw1394.so.11 /usr/lib/libraw1394.so.8

but in doing so, it appears that you are trying to find a pretty old
firewire driver and the newer version may not provide what is expected
so your mileage may vary.

To remove the 'symbolic link' created by the command above...

rm /usr/lib/libraw1394.so.8

Craig

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Re: Howto make a file and Link to another file

[Kam Leo]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> how do I make in /usr/lib   a file that does not exist, libraw1394.so.8 and
> link it to libraw1394.so.11.
>
info ln

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Eric]

At 02:54 PM 9/29/2008, Kevin Kofler wrote:

>
It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software 
Development" to the

average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
yum groupinstall kde-desktop

<

Good afternoon, Kevin.

Yeah, I figured there was something like that... but when you say 
"switchdesk KDE" and there is no KDE, switchdesk tells you to 
groupinstall "KDE Software Development".


Is there anything in kde-desktop that's not in KDE Software 
Development?  In other words, after you have installed "KDE Software 
Development" is there any advantage to then installing kde-desktop"?



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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 03:45:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:54 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> > Eric  scoot.netis.com> writes:
>> > > installation.  So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
>> > > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum
>> > > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
>> >
>> > It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" 
>> > to the
>> > average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install 
>> > the
>> > regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
>> > yum groupinstall kde-desktop
>> >
>> > > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
>> > > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE".  If you try that
>> > > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
>> > > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
>> > >
>> > > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
>> > > "yum install switchdesk" first.
>> >
>> > Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
>> >
>> > > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
>> > > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
>> > > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
>> > > you have installed.  Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
>> > > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
>> > > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
>> >
>> > There's a third option, which I recommend:
>> > su -
>> > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>> > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>>
>> This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
>> manger .
>> The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
>> Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
>
> Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
> I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
> was released.


Offtopic for this thread.


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Howto make a file and Link to another file

[Jim]

how do I make in /usr/lib   a file that does not exist, libraw1394.so.8 
and link it to libraw1394.so.11.


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:17 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:

> Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
> I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
> was released.

that of course is a BGO

Fedora is leading edge and in that vein, often includes software that is
under active development. Testing is one of the reasons users provide
feedback.

In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.

Craig

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Re: VDQ : machine names??

[Beartooth]

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:19:54 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:

> I Beartooth wrote:
>>  I know it's a Very Dumb Question; I just can't find a general
>> answer that works.
[]
>>  Clue, please? Pretty please?
>>
>>
> Three files can affect the system name.
> 
> The name seen in the prompt is from the hostname command, which gets set
> from:
> /etc/sysconfig/network
> HOSTNAME=

OK, I changed that one on this machine.

> When your system connects to the network, it can tell the network which
> name it wants to be known as.  This name, which dynamic DNS servers can
> receive from the DHCP service, are configured in the network
> configuration script, such as:
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 DHCP_HOSTNAME=

That one already had the name I wanted.

> Programs on your local system use a consistent method to look up IP
> addresses and associated host names.  In most cases, the local
> /etc/hosts file is consulted first, and then DNS or other services.
> Therefore, some applications on your system, like sendmail, can get
> hostname from:
> /etc/hosts

Two very odd things. First nano -w doesn't make it obvious to me 
(though perhaps it should) how much is one line, how much another :

  GNU nano 2.0.6  File: /etc/
hosts   

# Do not remove the following line, or various programs
# that require network functionality will fail.
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost localhost
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6

I have no idea where that 6 comes from, nor what it's doing there.

Second, if I open Computer > Filesystem > /etc with nautilus, I 
don't see hosts at all! The search button or search tool on my panel 
finds 81 files whose name contains "hosts", one of which is indeed /etc/
hosts; but clicking on that does get it in gedit, which looks much the 
same : 

# Do not remove the following line, or various programs
# that require network functionality will fail.
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost localhost
::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6

Is what begins with "::1" really a different line, then, than the 
127.0.0.1 line? 

Also, it doesn't say not to edit that line, just not to delete 
it. Do I want to change "localhost" (without the 6) there??

> These three files/methods cover %99 of user systems, and are very likely
> all you would need to look at.
> 
> Good Luck!

Thanks! I've got a feelin' I'm gonna need it ...

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Dave Feustel]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 03:45:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:54 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Eric  scoot.netis.com> writes:
> > > installation.  So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal 
> > > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum 
> > > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
> > 
> > It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to 
> > the 
> > average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install 
> > the 
> > regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> > yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> > 
> > > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, 
> > > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE".  If you try that 
> > > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum 
> > > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> > > 
> > > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say 
> > > "yum install switchdesk" first.
> > 
> > Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
> > 
> > > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen 
> > > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear 
> > > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops 
> > > you have installed.  Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that 
> > > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will 
> > > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
> > 
> > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > su -
> > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> 
> This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session 
> manger .
> The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
> Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.

Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
was released.

> > 
> > In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the 
> > following 
> > contents:
> > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > DESKTOP="KDE"
> > 
> > That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default 
> > desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's 
> > how 
> > the KDE live CD is set up.
> > 
> > Kevin Kofler
> > 
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Re: Greater than 2TB disks bootable?

[Chris Snook]

Phil Meyer wrote:
There is a lot of confusion available from articles on the Internet 
about whether or not a greater than 2TB disk can be made bootable in Linux.


In order to go that large, the disk must be labelled, via partd, as type 
GPT.


Ok so far.


Not really.  x86 BIOSes don't know what to do with GPT-labeled disks.  You need 
an EFI system (rather than BIOS) to boot from a GPT disk.  At the moment that's 
mostly Itanium and certain niche x86 boards.


Now, is it possible to use fdisk to cut off 100MB or so for a normal 
/boot partition?
It seems that labelling a disk as GPT does not stomp the MBR, but does 
affect the partition table.  Is this correct?


GPT reserves the first sector for a "Legacy MBR", which is basically intended to 
keep legacy disk utilities from doing stupid things to GPT disks.  It isn't 
really used for booting.  EFI uses a FAT partition to hold the bootloader.


If I create a 100MB partition using fdisk, and then label the disk as 
GPT, can I start the large partition with the first cylinder > than what 
I cut off for /boot and expect it to be seen?


Anaconda complains that GPT is not bootable.  Is that system specific, 
BIOS specific, anaconda error reading the BIOS, ???


You need a GPT-aware firmware such as EFI for it to be bootable.  If your system 
has a BIOS, it won't work.  The exception is that on some x86 systems, EFI will 
emulate a BIOS for compatibility with OSes that expect a BIOS, so if you can get 
it to actually act like EFI rather than a BIOS, you could make this work.  I'm 
told this is true with some Intel Macs, but I've never played with it myself.



Here is the specific scenario:

An intel based server, with 10 1TB drives attached to a SATA RAID 
device.  The RAID is level 5 with 9 drives and a hot spare.


What the system sees, is one device of ~8TB.

Is it possible to boot from the device, AND have all but /boot as one 
large partition?


Probably not.  You have two choices:

a)  Partition off a small chunk of the array in the RAID firmware.

b)  Add a boot disk.

For a server that does anything important, (a) is probably the safe way to go. 
If I had this problem on a personal system, I'd dig up my old 64 MB USB key and 
choose (b).  I've done it before, and it's just fine for /boot as long as you're 
not hotplugging it or suspending and resuming the system.


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Re: about update!

[Kam Leo]

2008/9/29 최용주 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dear.
>
> I installed the Fedora 9 (64bit), and yesterday I update the program.
>
> Then I reboot the computer then it doesn't echo any X window. Just run the
> hard disk.
>
> So I want to back up my data, but it is so difficult to me.
>
> How can I figure it out?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Yongjoo CHOI

If you are presented with a graphical screen instead of text remove
rhgb from grub. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, delete "rhgb" from the
kernel line, and save the file. Note: you need to have superuser
permission to edit the file.

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Re: LVMs really frustrating me... lv "Not available"

[linux guy]

Solved.

Did a

# /usr/sbin/vgchange -a y VolGroup00
File descriptor 5 left open
File descriptor 7 left open
  2 logical volume(s) in volume group "VolGroup00" now active


Then:
# mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 /temp


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Aaron Konstam]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:54 +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Eric  scoot.netis.com> writes:
> > installation.  So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal 
> > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum 
> > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
> 
> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to 
> the 
> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the 
> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> 
> > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, 
> > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE".  If you try that 
> > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum 
> > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> > 
> > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say 
> > "yum install switchdesk" first.
> 
> Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
> 
> > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen 
> > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear 
> > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops 
> > you have installed.  Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that 
> > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will 
> > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
> 
> There's a third option, which I recommend:
> su -
> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop

This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session 
manger .
The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
> 
> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the 
> following 
> contents:
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> DESKTOP="KDE"
> 
> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default 
> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how 
> the KDE live CD is set up.
> 
> Kevin Kofler
> 
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Re: Digital signatures don't work in Fedora's OpenOffice

[Patrick]

M. Fioretti wrote:

Greetings,

I'm trying to set up digital signatures in Openoffice 2.3 and FC 8.

I've followed the instructions at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_use_digital_Signatures
and http://www.linux.com/articles/57554

I've got a client certificate and it shows in Firefox but not in
OpenOffice. Even setting the MOZILLA_CERTIFICATE_FOLDER variable
doesn't help. Further googling only reveals two or three other people
who already had the same problem with other versions of Fedora, but no
way to make it work.

Is it really impossible to use digital signatures from OpenOffice in
Fedora? If yes, what's the reason? Thanks.


There was some discussion about this in the past on (iirc) this list. 
Here's a copy of 2 messages with suggestions. Hope this helps.


First suggestion:

To use a digital certificate in Open Office 2.0, you must import it into
firefox.

Then add to ~/.bash_profile:

export 
MOZILLA_CERTIFICATE_FOLDER=3D/home/myname/.mozilla/firefox/blah234blah234bl=

ah.default


Now, when you run open office, you can choose the certificate with which to
sign a document.

Second very long suggestion:

As I had promised last night, here are the instructions on how to sign a
document.

Firstly, you must create a pkcs12 certificate. There appear to be 2 ways to
do this:

1) run 'genkey'. This is very convenient. See man genkey for more
information. The key will end up somewhere in the /etc/pki/tls tree, under
certs, or was it private. I don't remember exactly why I opted not to use
this method, although I did try it about 1 or 2 weeks ago when I was still
learning how this works.

2) use openssl. Once again, there are 2 possibilities under openssl: either
you have your system set up as a CA (certificate authourity), or you don't.
I don't, so I can only make self-signed certificates. Nota Bene: Setting up
your system as a CA may or may not be complicated. I haven't tried.

Note also that if you only issue self-signed certificates, as I have, they
don't really have a lot of validity. Anyone can create a certificate with
your name and your email address and sign documents with it. There is no
trusted authority or web of trust, just the creator's word that the
certificate is valid. However, for signing a letter you have written or an
assignment for a course, this should not pose a lot of problems. Just be
aware that a certificate through cacert.org  would be
better, but they would, of course, require a lot of personal information
from you, which you might not wish to divulge.

So, having opted for the self-signed openssl method, you would make the
certificate like this (if you don't specify the days argument, the default
certificate validity will be exactly 30 days, which might be ok for signing
a document, but should you use the certificate to encrypt a document, then
this might be very time-restrictive):

openssl req -new -newkey rsa:1024 -nodes -x509 -days 1000 -keyout key -out
cert

This creates 2 ascii files, the key and the certificate. In order to turn
them into a pkcs12 bundle, you have to combine them into one file and appen=
d
a line feed to each, thusly:

echo >> key
cat cert >> key
echo >> key
mv key mycertificate.pem
rm cert

You will now have combined the 2 files into one and deleted the extra one,
and then renamed the combined file. What you now have is an RSA key and an
X.509 self-signed certificate, valid for 1000 days, called mycertificate.pe=
m
.

However, the Netscape Certificate format requires that this .pem key bundle
be converted into a pkcs12 format. This is done thusly:

openssl pkcs12 -export -in mycertificate.pem -out mycertificate.p12 -name
"My Certificate"

This creates a further file, mycertificate.p12.

So, you now have the required certificate. What you can do with the .pem
file, I do not know, but you had better keep it safe, just like the .p12 ke=
y
bundle.

You now want to import the .p12 key into various programs:

1) You might as well import it into Konqueror, since it supports it, but
this is not required for signing Open Office documents. Make sure you have
gpgsm enabled in kmail under settings/security/crypto backends, otherwise
Kleopatra will crash. Once this is done, I believe you can choose the
signing certificate under kmail settings/identities/crypptography, but I
prefer openpgp for email, so I didn't do that, having already previously
entered my openpgp key.

2) Boot firefox, go into edit/preferences/advanced/certificates/manage
certificates/your certificates and import mycertificate.p12 that you have
just created. It will ask you for a passphrase.

If you have mozilla (fedora does by default) and thunderbird, you would
likely want to have all programs seeing the same certificates. You have 2
options, either import the certificate into each program, but then you will
have to do this for every certificate you either add or delete in each
program. To have only one certificate store and avoid the problem of having
unsynchron

Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 06:54:58PM +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Eric  scoot.netis.com> writes:
>> > installation.  So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
>> > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum
>> > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
>>
>> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to 
>> the
>> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
>> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
>> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
>>
>> > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
>> > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE".  If you try that
>> > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
>> > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
>> >
>> > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
>> > "yum install switchdesk" first.
>>
>> Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
>>
>> > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
>> > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
>> > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
>> > you have installed.  Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
>> > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
>> > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
>>
>> There's a third option, which I recommend:
>> su -
>> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>>
>> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the 
>> following
>> contents:
>> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
>> DESKTOP="KDE"
>>
>> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
>> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
>> the KDE live CD is set up.
>>
>> Kevin Kofler
>
> I just created this file and rebooted. After explicitly selecting kde as
> the desktop, I logged in to find no panel, no icons on the desktop, and
> a Mac-looking border around my sterm. KDE desktop seems to have a lot of
> problems right now. I'm running kde 4.1.1 in 32-bit F9.


That sounds like the failsafe, and not KDE


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Re: Desktop AWOL

[Aaron Konstam]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:00 +0200, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2008 15:21, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I run FC2 on one of the machines inside our firewall - I just like the
> > look and feel of it :-)  Just ten minutes ago, the desktop icons and
> > facilities disappeared mid-session.  The icons and files on the desktop
> > vanished, right-click on the desktop doesn't bring up a menu and I'm
> > stumped.  How do I get it back?  The ~/Desktop directory is still there
> > with its contents, but isn't being displayed.
> >
> > What on earth happened?
> >
> > Jonathan
> 
> Hi Jonathan. As a fellow FC2 user, are you using Gnome, or KDE. I use KDE, 
> and 
> do remember losing all the icons once before, but can't remember the fix.
> 
> I don't use Gnome, but I found something on Google, where someone had messed 
> with Nautilus, which apparently is responsible for drawing icons, background, 
> and the right click to get the menu. Perhaps Nautilus crashed, and is why you 
> lost all the icons, etc.
> 
> Have you tried logging out, and backin.
> 
> Perhaps try creating a new user, and see if you get the default icons for the 
> new user.
> 
> If you're using KDE like me, I'll try and find out what the fix was.
> 
> Nigel.
> 
> btw. We need to start an FC2 users club. A bit like the Morris Minor club, 
> but 
> for ancient distros that still work well.
> 
I don't knpow if tis is true in FC2 but in F9 you look in:
.gconf/apps/nautilus/ and the contents of the directories therein.
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Greater than 2TB disks bootable?

[Phil Meyer]

There is a lot of confusion available from articles on the Internet 
about whether or not a greater than 2TB disk can be made bootable in Linux.


In order to go that large, the disk must be labelled, via partd, as type 
GPT.


Ok so far.

Now, is it possible to use fdisk to cut off 100MB or so for a normal 
/boot partition?
It seems that labelling a disk as GPT does not stomp the MBR, but does 
affect the partition table.  Is this correct?


If I create a 100MB partition using fdisk, and then label the disk as 
GPT, can I start the large partition with the first cylinder > than what 
I cut off for /boot and expect it to be seen?


Anaconda complains that GPT is not bootable.  Is that system specific, 
BIOS specific, anaconda error reading the BIOS, ???


Here is the specific scenario:

An intel based server, with 10 1TB drives attached to a SATA RAID 
device.  The RAID is level 5 with 9 drives and a hot spare.


What the system sees, is one device of ~8TB.

Is it possible to boot from the device, AND have all but /boot as one 
large partition?


Thanks!

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Re: fc10 and raid-10

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:
The problem is that there is a "raid10" entry in the raid part of the 
installer. And since this is being done by the software raid, it's 
confusing to have raid10 mean one thing to the installer and another in 
the man pages and to the man who maintains the code. I would like raid10 
to be raid10, I would settle to have the installer call it raid1+0 to 
use the correct terminology.




That could be a fairly simple path to the installer, then.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
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Re: LVMs really frustrating me... lv "Not available"

[linux guy]

Sorry if this is a new thread with the same title.   I'm sending from a
different mail client because my regular mail client is down and I can't do
a reply to the existing thread.

Anyhow... I'm trying to mount a logical volume to transfer data to my new
laptop.  I used to have a problem with duplicate volume names, but I fixed
that.   Now I have a problem with an LV not mounting.

/usr/sbin/lvdisplay
File descriptor 5 left open
File descriptor 7 left open
  /dev/sdc: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Name/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
  VG NameVolGroup00
  LV UUIDFX4cpZ-JnCv-pXmG-3BW9-cHB1-ZwZG-5cP2CV
  LV Write Accessread/write
  LV Status  NOT available
  LV Size57.38 GB
  Current LE 1836
  Segments   1
  Allocation inherit
  Read ahead sectors 0

Note that the LV Satus is NOT available.  Thus:

#mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 temp
mount: special device /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 does not exist

How do I fix this ?

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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Dave Feustel]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 06:54:58PM +, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Eric  scoot.netis.com> writes:
> > installation.  So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal 
> > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum 
> > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
> 
> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to 
> the 
> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the 
> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> 
> > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, 
> > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE".  If you try that 
> > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum 
> > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> > 
> > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say 
> > "yum install switchdesk" first.
> 
> Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
> 
> > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen 
> > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear 
> > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops 
> > you have installed.  Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that 
> > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will 
> > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
> 
> There's a third option, which I recommend:
> su -
> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> 
> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the 
> following 
> contents:
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> DESKTOP="KDE"
> 
> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default 
> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how 
> the KDE live CD is set up.
> 
> Kevin Kofler

I just created this file and rebooted. After explicitly selecting kde as
the desktop, I logged in to find no panel, no icons on the desktop, and
a Mac-looking border around my sterm. KDE desktop seems to have a lot of
problems right now. I'm running kde 4.1.1 in 32-bit F9.

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Re: Updates caused problems...

[Antonio M]

2008/9/29 Renich Bon Ciric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 08:11 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote:
>> 1) ASUS P5GC-MX/1333
>>
>> (a) If booting latest kernel: 2.6.26.3-29.f9.i686:
>>
>>- No Gui startup after udev
>>- mkrootdev: could not determine nfs root target
>>- mount: missing mount point
>>- setuproot: moving /dev failed (No such file or directory)
>>   : error mounting /proc (No such file or directory)
>>   : error mounting /sys (No such file or directory)
>>   : error mounting /selinux (No such file or directory)
>> - switchroot: Mount failed
>> - system hangs
>
> I had this same problem... changed to mandriva for the moment.
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did you file a bug???

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phpMyAdmin 2.11.9.1 and 2

[Don Russell]

Several days ago I received messages about package updates
including two for phpMyAdmin:

2008-09-24 12:40:17
Name: phpMyAdmin
Product : Fedora 9
Version : 2.11.9.2
Release : 1.fc9

2008-09-24 12:43:11
Name: phpMyAdmin
Product : Fedora 9
Version : 2.11.9.1
Release : 1.fc9

Note they are three minutes apart, but out of order version-wise.

The 2.11.9.1 version is available via yum-update (and has been for a
couple of days)
The 2.11.9.2 version is not.

Did something get out-of-sync WRT updating mirrors?

I understand mirror synching can take a while, but with them being
released so close together, I'd expect them to get to the mirrors
about the same time too...

Why isn't yum seeing the latest version out there?

Thanks,

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Re: fc10 and raid-10

[Bill Davidsen]

Dennis Gilmore wrote:

On Saturday 27 September 2008 09:32:27 pm Bill Davidsen wrote:

The Fedora installer has insisted on requiring four drives for raid-10
install, and then not using raid-10, but rather raid-1+0 which is *NOT* the
same thing. Any hope that this could be fixed in fc10, as it is a real PITA
to fight a way around it and get a proper raid configured.

This is a real performance issue, see linux-raid discussion in archives
about this.



Raid 10 requires at least 4 drives. and then it needs even numbers of disks to 
grow.  so you could do 4,6,8,10,12  etc.  an odd disk is should only be used 
as a hot spare.  otherwise it would cause degregation to the array


As I said, raid10 is not the same thing as raid1+0. And since the kernel and 
installer use the same term for different things, I would say the install should 
match the kernel code and doc, and not have the user confused. Using the correct 
term for what the installer really does, raid1+0, would confuse no one.


The man pages for raid and mdadm are helpful in understanding the difference 
between 1+0 and 10.




md1 : active raid10 sda2[0] sdd2[3] sdc2[2] sdb2[1]
  624623104 blocks 256K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] []

looks like its right to me.  this box was installed F-8  and was yum updated 
to rawhide.my box with raid 10 is using the raid 10 module.  i have 
4x320gb drives and get great performance out of the array.


hdparm -tT /dev/md1

/dev/md1:
 Timing cached reads:   4868 MB in  1.99 seconds = 2441.54 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  256 MB in  3.02 seconds =  84.75 MB/sec


Dennis




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Re: fc10 and raid-10

[Bill Davidsen]

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:

Stuart Sears wrote:

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

The Fedora installer has insisted on requiring four drives for raid-10
install, and then not using raid-10, but rather raid-1+0 which is
*NOT* the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Nested_levels


ah, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels

See the Linux MD RAID 10 section.
(or man md, if you'd prefer)



Ah, that RAID-10 ;-)

It's naming is a little confusing; RAID-10 (as used by the installer) is 
what the installer uses to create RAID-1+0 (commonly referred to as 
RAID-10, but indeed just "mirroring a stripeset" (1+0), but in one 
single layer (10)), and hence requires 4 disks.


There's no RAID-10 in the installer as you refer to just like there is 
no RAID LVM configuration, and whatnot. The installer is a helper 
program to make the initial configuration for a new installation a 
breeze, not to make sure it has every little checkbox for every possible 
option.


If this isn't the appropriate configuration for you, then maybe 
switching to the console on tty2 and creating the MD yourself or 
providing a kickstart file with the correct %pre script solves the problem.


The problem is that there is a "raid10" entry in the raid part of the installer. 
And since this is being done by the software raid, it's confusing to have raid10 
mean one thing to the installer and another in the man pages and to the man who 
maintains the code. I would like raid10 to be raid10, I would settle to have the 
installer call it raid1+0 to use the correct terminology.


Don't get me wrong, it *could* be a very nice feature to add to the 
installer, but then again we *must* prevent the installer from being 
obfuscated for normal users.


My point exactly, if the raid10 in the installer doesn't mean the same thing as 
the raid code and the raid man pages, it confuses the hell out of the users. Not 
to mention that there's no clean way to get to the raid10 supported by the 
kernel, which allows any number of drives >1, and considerably better 
performance with -f2 used for swap.


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Help with Reiner Csrdreader ctapi

[DB]

Hallo all,

I'd like some help with a card reader.

I've installed the ctapi via yumex, the reader is recognised when I do 
lsusb.  But when I try to set-up the Trustdesk software (supplied by the 
Austrian Government), clicking on the "automatic detection", it says 
there is no ctapi installed.  (I tried the manual configuration, but I'm 
not sure of the name of the actual driver - tried the .so file in the 
ctapi folder - nor of the port number, so that didn't work either!)


Does anyone have any idea what I need to do to make the ctapi visible to 
trustdesk? 


Thanks

Dave

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Re: phonon does not work message is still there on login

[Kevin Kofler]

Fred Silsbee  yahoo.com> writes:
> the little window 
> 
> "phonon audio playback device does not work"
> 
> remains
> 
> somebody told me weeks ago this would disappear

We need you to check the versions of some packages (and if they're installed at 
all - they should):
rpm -q kde-settings-pulseaudio pulseaudio phonon phonon-backend-xine xine-lib 
xine-lib-pulseaudio
(The above command should be entered on a single line.)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: f9 yum update "setup" - passwd file change

[Mike]

Patrick O'Callaghan  gmail.com> writes:

> Check the archives for the last few days. This issue has been discussed
> recently.

OK - I was away for a week - sorry for the noise...



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Re: Firefox and saved passwords? (latest F9 update)

[Lars E. Pettersson]

On 09/29/2008 08:14 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:

It looks like a firefox 3.0.3 was quickly released that addresses this:

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0.3/releasenotes/


Thanks! Forgot to check there :-)

I converted signons3.txt from iso latin-1 into UTF-8, and now my saved 
passwords are there again.


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Re: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)

[Kevin Kofler]

Eric  scoot.netis.com> writes:
> installation.  So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal 
> window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum 
> groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).

It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to the 
average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the 
regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
yum groupinstall kde-desktop

> switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, 
> open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE".  If you try that 
> and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum 
> groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> 
> If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say 
> "yum install switchdesk" first.

Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.

> The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen 
> but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear 
> at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops 
> you have installed.  Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that 
> box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will 
> be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).

There's a third option, which I recommend:
su -
echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop

In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following 
contents:
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
DESKTOP="KDE"

That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default 
desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how 
the KDE live CD is set up.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: f9 yum update "setup" - passwd file change

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:33 +, Mike wrote:
> After updating my system today for the first time in a week, I note that
> there was an update to "setup" - which created /etc/passwd.rpmnew 
> 
> This is quite different to the original file - 
> 
> What if anything needs to be done?
> 
> Should the relevant lines be copied over to the original file? 
> Or should the system not be touched?

Check the archives for the last few days. This issue has been discussed
recently.

poc

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Re: Eliminating duplicate photos

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 14:00 -0400, Trapper wrote:
> Itamar - IspBrasil wrote:
> > create a list of md5 of all files,
> >
> > with md5 you will find duplicated files.
> >
> > On 9/29/2008 9:04 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >> What is the best way of eliminating duplicate photos
> >> on a number of machines, all running Fedora or CentOS?
> >>
> >> I suppose one could ask the same question about files generally;
> >> how to tag or delete duplicates.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions gratefully received.
> >>
> >>
> I have a problem similar to Timothy's. If I run "md5sum *" on a folder, 
> in a terminal,  it lists all the sums. My problem is that I have several 
> thousand files. Is there some way I can output the results to a text 
> file? Can't copy and paste unless there's some way for me to adjust the 
> terminal to allow the last several thousand lines to display. Then I'm 
> also going to have to sort all those lines into some alphabetical order 
> to reasonably detect duplicate sums. Any ideas?

You're using Linux here. Anything that outputs text to a terminal can
send it to a file or to another program. You need to read up on Shell
redirection and filters, e.g.:

md5sum * > sums

or

md5sum * | sort > sorted_sums

etc. etc.

poc

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Re: Eliminating duplicate photos

[Frank Cox]

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:00:43 -0400
Trapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  have a problem similar to Timothy's. If I run "md5sum *" on a folder, 
> in a terminal,  it lists all the sums. My problem is that I have several 
> thousand files. Is there some way I can output the results to a text 
> file?

md5sum * > textfile

will create a file named textfile in the current directory (along with all of
your photos).

> Can't copy and paste unless there's some way for me to adjust the 
> terminal to allow the last several thousand lines to display. Then I'm 
> also going to have to sort all those lines into some alphabetical order 
> to reasonably detect duplicate sums. Any ideas?

man sort
man uniq

These commands will do exactly what you are looking for.

fslint is a very slick way to find duplicate files, too.

yum install fslint

You'll be impressed.

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f9 yum update "setup" - passwd file change

[Mike]

After updating my system today for the first time in a week, I note that
there was an update to "setup" - which created /etc/passwd.rpmnew 

This is quite different to the original file - 

What if anything needs to be done?

Should the relevant lines be copied over to the original file? 
Or should the system not be touched?

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Re: flash plugin sound

[Mark Haney]

Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:
My daughter told me over the weekend that there was no sound from 
flash-enabled websites for the last couple of weeks on her Fedora 9 
system.  (My middle daughter told me the same).


I thought it was a pulseaudio problem, but sound works everywhere 
else.  Has there been an update or something that's caused this 
problem?  It was working beautifully until then.


(I wish I had more information, but there's nothing in syslog, and I 
haven't done updates in that time.




Hi

I think you need "libflashsupport"

Marcelo



It was working before, but I"ll check it and see.



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Re: Firefox and saved passwords? (latest F9 update)

[Reid Rivenburgh]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Lars E. Pettersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After the latest update of firefox for F9 I no longer have any saved
> passwords, and do not seem to be able to save new ones. Before sending a bug
> to bugzilla I wonder if someone else have seen this?

It looks like a firefox 3.0.3 was quickly released that addresses this:

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0.3/releasenotes/

reid

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Re: thefts and encrypted FS (Re: what dose this do)

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Jeroen de Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How many thieves would be comfortable with using Linux and
> network manager to connect to a network?

I don't use NetworkManager.  The fact that it doesn't bring up
networks till someone logs in is too stupid for words.  (For one, my
preferred login when I'm on the local net is one that uses my
NFS-mounted home directory.  That is impossible using NM, since it
can't bring up the network until you log in and you can't log in till
the network is up.)

> Besides, they would still need to have a user account on the laptop.

I'm sure they'll eventually decide they can't log in and install the
OS of their choice.  I'm hoping that in the meantime they'll boot it
at least once while on the net and I'll have their IP.

On the other hand, I guess I could create a guest account password
guest and leave that info written on a piece of tape stuck to the
computer.  (Obviously I'd have to make sure ssh and other services
can't log in using that account remotely.)

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Re: Eliminating duplicate photos

[Trapper]

Itamar - IspBrasil wrote:

create a list of md5 of all files,

with md5 you will find duplicated files.

On 9/29/2008 9:04 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

What is the best way of eliminating duplicate photos
on a number of machines, all running Fedora or CentOS?

I suppose one could ask the same question about files generally;
how to tag or delete duplicates.

Any suggestions gratefully received.

   
I have a problem similar to Timothy's. If I run "md5sum *" on a folder, 
in a terminal,  it lists all the sums. My problem is that I have several 
thousand files. Is there some way I can output the results to a text 
file? Can't copy and paste unless there's some way for me to adjust the 
terminal to allow the last several thousand lines to display. Then I'm 
also going to have to sort all those lines into some alphabetical order 
to reasonably detect duplicate sums. Any ideas?


Trapper

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Firefox and saved passwords? (latest F9 update)

[Lars E. Pettersson]

After the latest update of firefox for F9 I no longer have any saved 
passwords, and do not seem to be able to save new ones. Before sending a 
bug to bugzilla I wonder if someone else have seen this?


I do not know if it matters, but I have set a master password for 
firefox. I even tried changing it to see if that helped, it did not. I 
have seen the problem on two different machines.


Here's the versions involved:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep firefox /var/log/yum.log
Aug 20 20:34:09 Updated: firefox-3.0.1-1.fc9.x86_64
Sep 28 12:13:26 Updated: firefox-3.0.2-1.fc9.x86_64
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]#

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Re: [Fwd: Config Network Setting]

[edwardspl]

Aldo Foot wrote:

>On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Aldo Foot wrote:
>>
>>On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:05 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>I just found a message for /var/log/messages :
>>kernel : udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
>>
>>So, how to solve this problem ?
>>
>>
>>In a previous reply you said:
>> "For 8139too driver, it is a network interface PCI card
>>  For r8169 driver, it is attached to the motherboard "
>>
>>I have seen before that the OS will change the device if you have a PCI and
>>a built-in NIC. If you unplug the PCI NIC, the built-in NIC becomes
>>eth0. With the
>>PCI NIC plugged in, the built-in NIC becomes eth1 and the PCI becomes eth0.
>>Try unplugging the PCI NIC to check whether this is the case with your
>>machine; take note of the MAC address with the ifconfig command to track
>>which one is which.
>>
>>I have not understood why this happens though. Maybe someone can shed some
>>light here.
>>~af
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Is this problem in FC8 System only ?
>>So, have you tried to find doc though the net ?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>I have not done this and I don't know whether that is accurate.
>
>
>I did some reading. It appears that udev does the device switching. But
>if desired, the devices can be tied to a specific mac address.
>
>See this old thread --notice what they say about /etc/modprobe.conf.
>http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-September/msg00354.html
>
>Read this Debian related page:  http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm
>
>I don't now whether the problem is with F8 only. I haven't tried all
>the flavors.
>~af
>  
>

Hello,

If disbale the onboard lan and install another INC, then, is there still
the problem ?

Thanks !

Edward.
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phonon does not work message is still there on login

[Fred Silsbee]

the little window 

"phonon audio playback device does not work"

remains

somebody told me weeks ago this would disappear


  

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Re: Live USB?

[Knute Johnson]

Chris Snook wrote:

Knute Johnson wrote:

Chris Snook wrote:

Knute Johnson wrote:

Chris Snook wrote:

Knute Johnson wrote:
If I put the live CD on USB with live-usb creator can I not update 
it? I just get a boatload of errors.


With liveUSB, the original image is static, and any changes to 
files in the image must go in the overlay space, so you'll need a 
big USB stick and a lot of overlay space to do this.


-- Chris



I have 4GB stick and I set the max (2047mb) for persistent space.


The live image is compressed, but the files in the overlay are not.  
You may be running out of overlay space.  What errors are you getting?


-- Chris



It won't boot anymore.  Says there is an error in intramfs.  
Apparently you can't update it.


You can't update the kernel or anything in the initrd.  You can update 
everything else, as long as you have the overlay space.


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Thanks for responding Chris.  Unfortunately this stuff just takes too 
much time to get working and I don't want to spend any more on it.


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Re: [Fwd: Config Network Setting]

[edwardspl]

Aldo Foot wrote:

>On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Aldo Foot wrote:
>>
>>On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:05 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>I just found a message for /var/log/messages :
>>kernel : udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
>>
>>So, how to solve this problem ?
>>
>>
>>In a previous reply you said:
>> "For 8139too driver, it is a network interface PCI card
>>  For r8169 driver, it is attached to the motherboard "
>>
>>I have seen before that the OS will change the device if you have a PCI and
>>a built-in NIC. If you unplug the PCI NIC, the built-in NIC becomes
>>eth0. With the
>>PCI NIC plugged in, the built-in NIC becomes eth1 and the PCI becomes eth0.
>>Try unplugging the PCI NIC to check whether this is the case with your
>>machine; take note of the MAC address with the ifconfig command to track
>>which one is which.
>>
>>I have not understood why this happens though. Maybe someone can shed some
>>light here.
>>~af
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Is this problem in FC8 System only ?
>>So, have you tried to find doc though the net ?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>I have not done this and I don't know whether that is accurate.
>
>
>I did some reading. It appears that udev does the device switching. But
>if desired, the devices can be tied to a specific mac address.
>
>See this old thread --notice what they say about /etc/modprobe.conf.
>http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-September/msg00354.html
>
>Read this Debian related page:  http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm
>
>I don't now whether the problem is with F8 only. I haven't tried all
>the flavors.
>~af
>  
>
Hello,

How can we disable the udev for switching the device with FC8 System ?

Thanks !

Edward.



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