Re: DHCP will not grab ip.
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 15:41 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > I tried "Ad-hic" as well, so I could set the channel Ad-hoc mode is for connecting peer-to-peer without an access point, not the sort of thing that you want to do, usually. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 15:09 -0700, Alex Makhlin wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Alex Makhlin gmail.com> writes: > > > >> If you like it then keep using it but don't ask questions when it breaks!! > >> > > > > If it breaks, I just fix it. ;-) > > See e.g.: > > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kdelibs/F-9/kdelibs-4.1.1-kde%23157789.patch?hideattic=0&revision=1.2&view=markup > > http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=862491 > > http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=862489 > > (That's my fix for "Stop Animations" not working, in Fedora's KDE 4.1.1, > > upstream KDE 4.1.2 and 4.2.) > > > > Kevin Kofler > > > > > Look, this is crazy!! You are using what we call in Russian "a piece of > govna" You can't fix a piece of shit like Konqueror, it does not even > exist as a valuable tool in the computer world!! Get real man!! Thank you for your insightful and well-reasoned arguments. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: X: never before seen display strangeness
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:30:29PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: X: never before seen display strangeness > > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 3:28 PM > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 06:24:13AM +0900, Slim Joe wrote: > > > 2008/10/10, Dave Feustel > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > As of two or three days ago, Windows of programs > > I kill disappear > > > > from the screen, only to flash back upon the > > screen for an > > > > instant before disappearing for good. I've > > never seen this > > > > behavior in X before. > > > > > > Hmm. This may be related to the problem I've been > > having. What kernel > > > are you using? I've experienced something like > > this with Linux kernel > > > 2.6.26 but not with 2.6.25. Maybe (wild, wild guess) > > it's an > > > incompatibility between the xserver and kernel. > > > > What command tells me what kernel is being used? > > > > -- > > Open up a terminal(konsole) type > $ uname -a > $ uname -r > > should give you which kernel you are running :) Thanks. Hiere is the info: 2/home/daf}uname -a Linux c2.localhost.comcast.net 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 20 03:45:00 EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux 2/home/daf}uname -r 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 2/home/daf} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: X: never before seen display strangeness
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: X: never before seen display strangeness > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 3:28 PM > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 06:24:13AM +0900, Slim Joe wrote: > > 2008/10/10, Dave Feustel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > As of two or three days ago, Windows of programs > I kill disappear > > > from the screen, only to flash back upon the > screen for an > > > instant before disappearing for good. I've > never seen this > > > behavior in X before. > > > > Hmm. This may be related to the problem I've been > having. What kernel > > are you using? I've experienced something like > this with Linux kernel > > 2.6.26 but not with 2.6.25. Maybe (wild, wild guess) > it's an > > incompatibility between the xserver and kernel. > > What command tells me what kernel is being used? > > -- Open up a terminal(konsole) type $ uname -a $ uname -r should give you which kernel you are running :) Regards, Antonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27-1.fc10.i686 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 9.92 (Rawhide) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: X: never before seen display strangeness
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 06:24:13AM +0900, Slim Joe wrote: > 2008/10/10, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As of two or three days ago, Windows of programs I kill disappear > > from the screen, only to flash back upon the screen for an > > instant before disappearing for good. I've never seen this > > behavior in X before. > > Hmm. This may be related to the problem I've been having. What kernel > are you using? I've experienced something like this with Linux kernel > 2.6.26 but not with 2.6.25. Maybe (wild, wild guess) it's an > incompatibility between the xserver and kernel. What command tells me what kernel is being used? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Kevin Kofler wrote: Alex Makhlin gmail.com> writes: If you like it then keep using it but don't ask questions when it breaks!! If it breaks, I just fix it. ;-) See e.g.: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kdelibs/F-9/kdelibs-4.1.1-kde%23157789.patch?hideattic=0&revision=1.2&view=markup http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=862491 http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=862489 (That's my fix for "Stop Animations" not working, in Fedora's KDE 4.1.1, upstream KDE 4.1.2 and 4.2.) Kevin Kofler Look, this is crazy!! You are using what we call in Russian "a piece of govna" You can't fix a piece of shit like Konqueror, it does not even exist as a valuable tool in the computer world!! Get real man!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: atheros madwifi driver not working
Martín Marqués wrote: I just got a Compaq Presario F700 which has an Atheros chip based wifi PCI express card. I check on the web and found that I had to install madwifi-hal. I can't find that package in livna, nor can I find it in atrpms, so I installed kmod-madwifi and madwifi from livna (which installed for dependencies iwl4965-firmware), but even though the module gets loaded automatically, the card doesn't work. What's wrong? Info: # lsmod | grep ath ath_pci 235072 0 wlan 219376 1 ath_pci ath_hal 282240 1 ath_pci # lspci -vv 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 137b Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel Kernel modules: ath5k, ath_pci FC10 has the kernel-2.6.27 that has drivers for this Wifi card, you won't find any help in the 2.6.26. the livna driver doesn't work right. I have the eeePC 702 that uses FC 10 2.6.27 and the Atheros Ar5007EG WIFI works perfect. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
atheros madwifi driver not working
I just got a Compaq Presario F700 which has an Atheros chip based wifi PCI express card. I check on the web and found that I had to install madwifi-hal. I can't find that package in livna, nor can I find it in atrpms, so I installed kmod-madwifi and madwifi from livna (which installed for dependencies iwl4965-firmware), but even though the module gets loaded automatically, the card doesn't work. What's wrong? Info: # lsmod | grep ath ath_pci 235072 0 wlan 219376 1 ath_pci ath_hal 282240 1 ath_pci # lspci -vv 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 137b Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel Kernel modules: ath5k, ath_pci -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
.) > > Kevin Kofler > Thanks for all the thoughts .. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: X: never before seen display strangeness
2008/10/10, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As of two or three days ago, Windows of programs I kill disappear > from the screen, only to flash back upon the screen for an > instant before disappearing for good. I've never seen this > behavior in X before. Hmm. This may be related to the problem I've been having. What kernel are you using? I've experienced something like this with Linux kernel 2.6.26 but not with 2.6.25. Maybe (wild, wild guess) it's an incompatibility between the xserver and kernel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
Mail Lists wrote: On 10/10/2008 03:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Mail Lists wrote: In this new mode we would have only 2 streams - current development and stable. There are a few distributions that do this - Gentoo, Arch etc. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. One of the problems of rolling release model distributions in a mass scale is that, it is pretty difficult to stabilize even to a nominal level. Rahul While that is true, the argument goes that large periodic releases has drawbacks too - and the kernel seems to be do pretty well with its approach ... I still wonder whether the kernel way may work for fedora .. The rolling release model works well for distributions that simply follow upstream, but Fedora is often *ahead* of upstream on several features. We need to maintain a bit more stability with the baseline package so we can safely add the innovative patches that aren't yet in Linus's kernel tree. -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
Mail Lists sapience.com> writes: >Linus switched kernel development away from large releases (odd/even > major numbers) with infrequent release cycles and instead switched to > something more continuous - essentially small rapid changes and > frequent snapshots to stable. This is essentially how Fedora already works. >Would the kernel release style be suited to fedora - for much the > same reasons possibly. They seem to manage getting big changes in there > too. And it would be in spirit with the bleeding edge of we desire in > fedora. It is, in fact Fedora is already using it. ;-) >This mode would be basically always updating and never/seldom > installing .. Nothing prevents you to update from one Fedora release to the next. It can even be done with yum (or apt or smart if that's what you fancy, and zypper coming soon as yet another option). > perhaps by some measure the rawhide to stable is similar > .. but there are definite differences. As rawhide is not merged into > stable .. Stable releases are cut from Rawhide at regular points in time (and frequent - 6 months is about the shortest cycle which makes sense for a distribution!) just like the kernel does it. And we do also backport bugfixes from Rawhide to the stable releases, that's what updates are for. In fact, we even sometimes backport new features, which is something the kernel doesn't do. What you seem to implicitly suggest is a "rolling release" model, but that's not how the kernel works, in fact we're closer to it than the kernel (because we often push out new features to the stable releases). If you really want a "rolling release", then just use Rawhide, because that's what it is. But then you get to keep the pieces. ;-) There's no way to do development without occasionally breaking something, you have to give us time to stabilize things for a release. > so our current method seems to resemble the older kernel > development approach. I don't see how that follows at all. The older kernel approach was closer to how RHEL works, not Fedora. (You can compare Fedora with 2.5 and RHEL with 2.4, a new RHEL release is like a new kernel release was at the time.) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Alex Makhlin gmail.com> writes: > If you like it then keep using it but don't ask questions when it breaks!! If it breaks, I just fix it. ;-) See e.g.: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kdelibs/F-9/kdelibs-4.1.1-kde%23157789.patch?hideattic=0&revision=1.2&view=markup http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=862491 http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=862489 (That's my fix for "Stop Animations" not working, in Fedora's KDE 4.1.1, upstream KDE 4.1.2 and 4.2.) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Dave Feustel mindspring.com> writes: > All icons and at least some, if not all, images on the web page being > displayed. In particular, the icons for the CONTINUE, PROCEED TO CHECKOUT, > PLACE ORDER buttons. There is no problem with any icons in the toolbars. Is the HTTPS page trying to load images over unsecured HTTP? If so, that might be what Konqueror doesn't like. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: DHCP will not grab ip.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:41:29PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:32:49PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: >>> Dave Feustel wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 10:20:17PM +0100, Laura Speck wrote: I have F9 running on a computer with just one nic. Everything worked until about a week ago, when the nic suddenly no longer automatically got a dhcp address. My work around is to run dhclient etho &. DHCP connects then. I still haven't figured out why this happened or what the correct fix is. >>> I had a thread going about the recent "enhancement" to >>> NetworkManager. After applying that both my hardwire and wireless >>> NICs stopped working. Did you by any chance "upgrade" your packages >>> recently, say about the time everything stopped working? Mine worked >>> after the upgrade until the next reboot, then went away forever. I >>> tried to force a downgrade, but rpm was designed to work in one >>> direction only, there's no way to tell rpm or yum to roll back and >>> rollback all the dependencies at the same time. >> >> Unfortunately, I don't remember any details except that, as you noted, >> no network connection was established at system powerup one morning. >> >>> I gave up, I removed NM totally and completely, and now do the whole >>> setup with a script run at boot time. >> >> All I have do to get connectivity is run dhclient as root. >> > Interesting. I run iwconfig to set the essid, channel, and key. Then What are essid, channel, and key, and what do they do? > dhclient. Previously NM had all the info except the channel, and figured > that out in "Managed" mode. After it stopped working I tried "Ad-hic" as > well, so I could set the channel. Made no difference. > > -- > Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: command error redirection
Gopal Ghosh wrote:
Dear All,
How top redirect errors of a command to a file
There are three useful things to do:
1 - redirect only stderr (fd 2)
command 2>file.err
2 - redirect stdout and stderr to a file
command &>file.log
3 - use the script command to capture ALL output
(generally better than option 2)
script file.log
# you are now in a sub-shell
{run your command}
exit
# here you are back to the login shell
See the man page for the script command, you can append to a log as well, and
you get start and stop times in the log, useful when you read it a week later. ;-)
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Re: kernel development approach for fedora
Mail Lists wrote: While that is true, the argument goes that large periodic releases has drawbacks too - and the kernel seems to be do pretty well with its approach ... I still wonder whether the kernel way may work for fedora .. Linux kernel development model is pretty unique and very distributed. It can't be readily compare to any other project. There are several different parallel branches - linux-mm, linux-next, linux-staging etc that feeds into the Linus branch. New releases come out every 3 months or so. There is a initial week merge period followed by a stabilization period. Even with the short release cycle, the number of patches is exceptionally high. The nature of development for distributions is primarily to act as a integration point for upstream projects. I doubt it will work well for Fedora. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
On 10/10/2008 03:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mail Lists wrote: >> >> In this new mode we would have only 2 streams - current development >> and stable. > There are a few distributions that do this - Gentoo, Arch etc. Each has > it's advantages and disadvantages. One of the problems of rolling > release model distributions in a mass scale is that, it is pretty > difficult to stabilize even to a nominal level. > > Rahul > While that is true, the argument goes that large periodic releases has drawbacks too - and the kernel seems to be do pretty well with its approach ... I still wonder whether the kernel way may work for fedora .. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is the F-10 release schedule?
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: The wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule is not informative. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks - jon Maybe?? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule Trapper -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 04:17:08PM +, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Dave Feustel mindspring.com> writes: > > Konqueror 4.1.1 stops displaying icons in https mode. This happens > > consistently at Amazon.com in Konqueror, but not in Firefox. > > This problem first showed up at amazon.de, but has now spread > > to amazon.com as well. It shows up when I am placing orders > > for books. > > What icons? Toolbar icons? Or icons on the website? All icons and at least some, if not all, images on the web page being displayed. In particular, the icons for the CONTINUE, PROCEED TO CHECKOUT, PLACE ORDER buttons. There is no problem with any icons in the toolbars. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: DHCP will not grab ip.
Bill Davidsen wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: >>> I gave up, I removed NM totally and completely, and now do the whole >>> setup with a script run at boot time. >> >> All I have do to get connectivity is run dhclient as root. >> In the past, I have configured the wireless interface for use with the network service. You just add the information to the ifconfig file for the interface. (And change your service configuration so network runs instead of Network Manager.) > Interesting. I run iwconfig to set the essid, channel, and key. Then > dhclient. Previously NM had all the info except the channel, and figured > that out in "Managed" mode. After it stopped working I tried "Ad-hic" as > well, so I could set the channel. Made no difference. One thing that may make a difference is to add restricted to the key setting string. iwconfig wlan0 key restricted I know with the way I have my router configured, you can not get an IP address unless you have the key and the restricted option. (Now if only some of the things connected were not limited to WEP so I could convert it to WPA.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: command error redirection
Gopal Ghosh wrote: Dear All, How top redirect errors of a command to a file Thanks Regards A bit of background is useful in learning, and remembering how to manipulate the command line. There is a new, and pretty good summary of command line goodness, and what it all means, including your specific question, here: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-spunix_clitricks/?ca=dgr-lnxw09SpeakUnix&S_TACT=105AGX59&s_cmp=GRsitelnxw09 Good Luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
Mail Lists wrote: In this new mode we would have only 2 streams - current development and stable. Current development targets remerging every few weeks into stable .. quite different than current rawhide and patching f8/f9 and the next big bang release is f10 etc. Google back in lkml for Linus and others thoughts about the different approaches - i'm just asking if his approach may also be a good model at the distro level. Rawhide is not the same at all. What you are describing in the "rolling release" model instead of the branch of release model. Kernel development isn't exactly that due to it's very distributed nature with many different parallel branches. There are a few distributions that do this - Gentoo, Arch etc. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. One of the problems of rolling release model distributions in a mass scale is that, it is pretty difficult to stabilize even to a nominal level. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
On 10/10/2008 02:30 PM, Chris Snook wrote: > Mail Lists wrote: >>Linus switched kernel development away from large releases (odd/even >> major numbers) with infrequent release cycles and instead switched to >> something more continuous - essentially small rapid changes and >> frequent snapshots to stable. >> >>Would the kernel release style be suited to fedora - for much the >> same reasons possibly. They seem to manage getting big changes in there >> too. And it would be in spirit with the bleeding edge of we desire in >> fedora. >> >>This mode would be basically always updating and never/seldom >> installing .. perhaps by some measure the rawhide to stable is similar >> .. but there are definite differences. As rawhide is not merged into >> stable ..so our current method seems to resemble the older kernel >> development approach. >> >>Curious what others think > > We regularly rebase packages, including the kernel, to new upstream > versions after a release, but we do this only after they've received > significant testing exposure in rawhide and updates-testing. If you > want the bleeding-edge packages, just enable the rawhide repository by > default and pray that nothing breaks. > > -- Chris > In this new mode we would have only 2 streams - current development and stable. Current development targets remerging every few weeks into stable .. quite different than current rawhide and patching f8/f9 and the next big bang release is f10 etc. Google back in lkml for Linus and others thoughts about the different approaches - i'm just asking if his approach may also be a good model at the distro level. Rawhide is not the same at all. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: DHCP will not grab ip.
Dave Feustel wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:32:49PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 10:20:17PM +0100, Laura Speck wrote: I have F9 running on a computer with just one nic. Everything worked until about a week ago, when the nic suddenly no longer automatically got a dhcp address. My work around is to run dhclient etho &. DHCP connects then. I still haven't figured out why this happened or what the correct fix is. I had a thread going about the recent "enhancement" to NetworkManager. After applying that both my hardwire and wireless NICs stopped working. Did you by any chance "upgrade" your packages recently, say about the time everything stopped working? Mine worked after the upgrade until the next reboot, then went away forever. I tried to force a downgrade, but rpm was designed to work in one direction only, there's no way to tell rpm or yum to roll back and rollback all the dependencies at the same time. Unfortunately, I don't remember any details except that, as you noted, no network connection was established at system powerup one morning. I gave up, I removed NM totally and completely, and now do the whole setup with a script run at boot time. All I have do to get connectivity is run dhclient as root. Interesting. I run iwconfig to set the essid, channel, and key. Then dhclient. Previously NM had all the info except the channel, and figured that out in "Managed" mode. After it stopped working I tried "Ad-hic" as well, so I could set the channel. Made no difference. -- Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and picasa (on F9 too)
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Marcelo M. Garcia < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I installed Picasa using the a Google repo. When I try to search, appears a > message saying that Google-testing is invalid: > Bad id for repo: google testing, byte = 6 > > The repo was defined as described in > http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/testrepo.html > > And Picasa itself is not starting: I receive the following message: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ picasa > /usr/bin/picasa: line 139: 24613 Segmentation fault "$PIC_BINDIR"/wrapper > check_dir.exe.so > /usr/bin/picasa: line 175: 24716 Segmentation fault "$PIC_BINDIR/wrapper" > regedit /E $registry_export > HKEY_USERS\\S-1-5-4\\Software\\Google\\Picasa\\Picasa2\\Preferences\\ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ > Identical problem on F9 (2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686) picasa-2.7.3736-15.i386 the errors are: wine-pthread[9526]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bf936430 error 4 wine-pthread[9769]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bffb8af0 error 4 wine-pthread[9780]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bfd43880 error 4 wine-pthread[9789]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bfc847c0 error 4 wine-pthread[9798]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bffbd2c0 error 4 wine-pthread[9691]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bffd7310 error 4 wine-pthread[9899]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bfad75e0 error 4 wine-pthread[9805]: segfault at 118280 ip 00118280 sp bfef1260 error 4 Funy thing is picasa can run as a root user I follwoed some tip to set vm.mmap_min_addr = 0 in /etc/sysctl.conf hope some offer a fix > > Thanks > > Marcelo > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is the F-10 release schedule?
bob smith wrote: looks like the team is shooting for nov, 08, if you look at the schedule, but I am not sure what the GA means - might be generally available or it might be guess again hope this helps! bob It means the former as explained in the page itself. I have edited to expand the abbreviation to avoid any confusion. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is the F-10 release schedule?
bob smith verizon.net> writes: > looks like the team is shooting for nov, 08, if you > look at the schedule, but https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is the F-10 release schedule?
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:47:20 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Ryshpan) wrote: > The wiki page: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule > is not informative. Am I looking in the wrong place? Try: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule For the more detailed schedule for F10. > Thanks - jon kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is the F-10 release schedule?
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: The wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule is not informative. Am I looking in the wrong place? You seem to have missed the link from that page to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is the F-10 release schedule?
looks like the team is shooting for nov, 08, if you look at the schedule, but I am not sure what the GA means - might be generally available or it might be guess again hope this helps! bob Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: The wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule is not informative. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks - jon -- === Don't let the past remind us of what we are not now. CSN -Suite for.. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Where is the F-10 release schedule?
The wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule is not informative. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks - jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel development approach for fedora
Mail Lists wrote: Linus switched kernel development away from large releases (odd/even major numbers) with infrequent release cycles and instead switched to something more continuous - essentially small rapid changes and frequent snapshots to stable. Would the kernel release style be suited to fedora - for much the same reasons possibly. They seem to manage getting big changes in there too. And it would be in spirit with the bleeding edge of we desire in fedora. This mode would be basically always updating and never/seldom installing .. perhaps by some measure the rawhide to stable is similar .. but there are definite differences. As rawhide is not merged into stable ..so our current method seems to resemble the older kernel development approach. Curious what others think We regularly rebase packages, including the kernel, to new upstream versions after a release, but we do this only after they've received significant testing exposure in rawhide and updates-testing. If you want the bleeding-edge packages, just enable the rawhide repository by default and pray that nothing breaks. -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mounted media icon on desktop, missed, F9
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 10:12 +1100, lux wrote: > > After moved to F9, the mounted media icon, eg, USB disk, are not > > appearing on desktop. why? > > They are here... Tell the list whether you're using Gnome, KDE, or > something else. > I use Gnome and F9 kernel is 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: open-office ignores font subpixel smoothing
Sorry guys, please ignore this question. It was mine mistake - i am using unofficial cairo with ubuntu patches and there was some fix to enable hinting to qt4 apps. Thats it. Regards, D. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM, David Hláčik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello guys, > > I have Fedora 9 with Subpixel smoothing option for fonts enabled in gnome > fonts settings. Hinting set to slight. > It works just fine, except under OpenOffice. It seems to use Full Hinting. > How it is possible? > I did removed .openoffice folder from my home folder. > > Thanks! > > David > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
open-office ignores font subpixel smoothing
Hello guys, I have Fedora 9 with Subpixel smoothing option for fonts enabled in gnome fonts settings. Hinting set to slight. It works just fine, except under OpenOffice. It seems to use Full Hinting. How it is possible? I did removed .openoffice folder from my home folder. Thanks! David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Kevin Kofler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex Makhlin gmail.com> writes: >> Why are you using Konqueror? Its a horrible web browser!! Firefox if >> installed correctly is far better. > > I use Konqueror all the time and strongly disagree with that flame. I am a KDE fan and always want to use konqueror. But some websites doesn't open in it. I use gmail a lot, but konqueror doesn't open it properly specially labels, Due to this I need to switch back to Firefox. Thanks, Anoop > >Kevin Kofler > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: command error redirection
Simon Andrews wrote: ANOOP wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Gopal Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear All, How top redirect errors of a command to a file # > errorFile That would redirect stdout (normal output) rather than the errors. To redirect standard error you'd usually do: # 2> errorfile ..assuming you're using bash for your shell. To capture all output, use command >/path/to/file 2>&1 which redirects both stdout and stderr to /path/to/file. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but - - probably not recoverable.- -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Kevin Kofler wrote: Alex Makhlin gmail.com> writes: Why are you using Konqueror? Its a horrible web browser!! Firefox if installed correctly is far better. I use Konqueror all the time and strongly disagree with that flame. Kevin Kofler I'm sorry if I upset you, that was not my intention. I personally find Konqueror a very bad we browser. I have also used it and r is what I found. If you like it then keep using it but don't ask questions when it breaks!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Dave Feustel mindspring.com> writes: > Konqueror 4.1.1 stops displaying icons in https mode. This happens > consistently at Amazon.com in Konqueror, but not in Firefox. > This problem first showed up at amazon.de, but has now spread > to amazon.com as well. It shows up when I am placing orders > for books. What icons? Toolbar icons? Or icons on the website? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Alex Makhlin gmail.com> writes: > Why are you using Konqueror? Its a horrible web browser!! Firefox if > installed correctly is far better. I use Konqueror all the time and strongly disagree with that flame. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kernel development approach for fedora
Linus switched kernel development away from large releases (odd/even major numbers) with infrequent release cycles and instead switched to something more continuous - essentially small rapid changes and frequent snapshots to stable. Would the kernel release style be suited to fedora - for much the same reasons possibly. They seem to manage getting big changes in there too. And it would be in spirit with the bleeding edge of we desire in fedora. This mode would be basically always updating and never/seldom installing .. perhaps by some measure the rawhide to stable is similar .. but there are definite differences. As rawhide is not merged into stable ..so our current method seems to resemble the older kernel development approach. Curious what others think gene/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kaddressbook + openldap
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 11:26 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > >> I use dovecot IMAP to keep email on one machine, > >> and basically would like to extend this to distribution lists. > > > > This is where you lose me. I can understand wanting to define a list as > > the result of an LDAP query (rather than having to enumerate all the > > members) but you can do that via your MTA. For example we have public > > IMAP lists defined for "all students", "all faculty" and so on, by > > tweaking our Postfix config. I don't know much about Dovecot but I > > imagine it can also do this. Involving a mail client just seems to be > > the wrong way to go about it. > > I'm not sure what you mean by an IMAP list? > I don't see any facility in dovecot to create lists. > (Nb I'm almost completely ignorant of dovecot/IMAP.) My bad. I was stupidly forgetting that Dovecot is an IMAP server, not an MTA. I should have said you can configure your MTA to do this (as we did with Postfix). > Actually, I found it was only moderately painful > to create kaddressbook distribution lists > from an LDAP address book. > Basically, I listed all the entries in the book in kaddressbook. > This lists the "o" attribute, which I use for distinguishing entries, > and one can go through the list marking entries > with Shift-Left Button, and then add all the marked entries > to a specified distribution list. > > I know I could - probably should - have used something like mailman. > But I'm rather taken with the idea of keeping all information > in an LDAP directory on one machine, > which can be accessed over the web. Going back to my original point, this is fine as far as it goes, but you lose the funcionality of a list manager (e.g. users can subscribe/unsubscribe, moderation, digests, password reminders etc.). Anyway, horses for courses. Cheers poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gimp 2.6 for F8?
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 23:48 -0800, Kam Leo wrote: > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 00:16 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote: > >> In case you have a > >> local *.rpm with unsatisfied dependencies on your system, installing > >> this rpm through "smart install" will make smart pull all of those > >> from > >> the repositories on the fly (provided they are available there), > >> instead > >> of spitting the angry error messages into STDOUT like "rpm -ivh" does. > > > > "yum localinstall .rpm" will also do this. > > > > poc > > > > You're missing the point with the yum example. The dependency(ies) are > also local files. I don't believe that yum will search the local > directory and pull in the additional packages. It would have to be > "yum localinstall package1.rpm package2.rpm ..." in order to pick up > the dependencies. Well, I was replying to the message I cited, which mentions repos, not local files. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What does kernel 2.6.27 bring for Artheros AR5007 users?
Jim wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: The ath_pci driver is very falky on a notebook on which I installed Fedora + Livna. I was expecting that ath5k in 2.6.27 would bring AR5007 support, but I saw nothing about it here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 How are other Fedora dealing with the AR5007 wifi card? I'm using a eeepc with the AR5007EG wifi and kernels-2.6.27 in FC10 work great. What did you use before 2.6.27? The madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver, but I'm sure it's changed to a different number by now. While I was using FC9 , I went to Redhat Rawhide and got a Kernel-2.6.27 and installed on FC9 and it worked without any problems. I'm using kernel-2.6.27-0.398.rc9.fc10.i686, If you should choose to go that way, be sure you get the kernel-devel, kernel-headers, from rawhide, just in case you should have to compile anything. I switch to FC10-test because they have a lot of improvements to KDE. The 2.6.27 kernels have fixes for most or all Atheros chipsets, it also fixed my Webcam So I have got a eeePC 702, with all hardware working in FC10. Send me your Email and I will attach an forward the madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver to you. I still have it on my PC. No need for the attachment, I have that madwifi via Livna (RPM) and its 'ok' but is very flaky. It either doesn't resume after suspend, or stalls the machine on suspend. And randomly doesn't work on some boots. I was going to pull in .27 from rawhide, but I saw it was pulling in some packages for update which I was not familiar with so I aborted that process. May have to give it a try again. Do you use Yumex ? Yumex will let you select only the packages you want. The only packages that the kernel should want to pull are kernel-devel, kernel-headers, kernel-firmware, kernel-oops . Here is a mirror you can download the packages you want, one at a time. ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/10-Beta/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/ Arthur if you have problems with running that URL, do a right click on URL and "Save Link Target" and paste it in the URL box on your Web browser, I tried to click on link on FC8-Thunderbird and it wouldn't run because it was a "ftp" site. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What does kernel 2.6.27 bring for Artheros AR5007 users?
Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: The ath_pci driver is very falky on a notebook on which I installed Fedora + Livna. I was expecting that ath5k in 2.6.27 would bring AR5007 support, but I saw nothing about it here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 How are other Fedora dealing with the AR5007 wifi card? I'm using a eeepc with the AR5007EG wifi and kernels-2.6.27 in FC10 work great. What did you use before 2.6.27? The madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver, but I'm sure it's changed to a different number by now. While I was using FC9 , I went to Redhat Rawhide and got a Kernel-2.6.27 and installed on FC9 and it worked without any problems. I'm using kernel-2.6.27-0.398.rc9.fc10.i686, If you should choose to go that way, be sure you get the kernel-devel, kernel-headers, from rawhide, just in case you should have to compile anything. I switch to FC10-test because they have a lot of improvements to KDE. The 2.6.27 kernels have fixes for most or all Atheros chipsets, it also fixed my Webcam So I have got a eeePC 702, with all hardware working in FC10. Send me your Email and I will attach an forward the madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver to you. I still have it on my PC. No need for the attachment, I have that madwifi via Livna (RPM) and its 'ok' but is very flaky. It either doesn't resume after suspend, or stalls the machine on suspend. And randomly doesn't work on some boots. I was going to pull in .27 from rawhide, but I saw it was pulling in some packages for update which I was not familiar with so I aborted that process. May have to give it a try again. Do you use Yumex ? Yumex will let you select only the packages you want. The only packages that the kernel should want to pull are kernel-devel, kernel-headers, kernel-firmware, kernel-oops . Here is a mirror you can download the packages you want, one at a time. ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/10-Beta/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What does kernel 2.6.27 bring for Artheros AR5007 users?
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> The ath_pci driver is very falky on a notebook on which I installed Fedora + Livna. I was expecting that ath5k in 2.6.27 would bring AR5007 support, but I saw nothing about it here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 How are other Fedora dealing with the AR5007 wifi card? >>> >>> I'm using a eeepc with the AR5007EG wifi and kernels-2.6.27 in FC10 work >>> great. >>> >> >> >> What did you use before 2.6.27? >> > > The madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver, but I'm sure it's changed to a > different number by now. > While I was using FC9 , I went to Redhat Rawhide and got a Kernel-2.6.27 and > installed on FC9 and it worked > without any problems. > I'm using kernel-2.6.27-0.398.rc9.fc10.i686, If you should choose to go that > way, be sure you get the kernel-devel, kernel-headers, from rawhide, just > in case you should have to compile anything. > I switch to FC10-test because they have a lot of improvements to KDE. > The 2.6.27 kernels have fixes for most or all Atheros chipsets, it also > fixed my Webcam > So I have got a eeePC 702, with all hardware working in FC10. > Send me your Email and I will attach an forward the > madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver to you. I still have it on my PC. No need for the attachment, I have that madwifi via Livna (RPM) and its 'ok' but is very flaky. It either doesn't resume after suspend, or stalls the machine on suspend. And randomly doesn't work on some boots. I was going to pull in .27 from rawhide, but I saw it was pulling in some packages for update which I was not familiar with so I aborted that process. May have to give it a try again. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: New Konqueror 4.1 Problem - button icons not displayed.
Dave Feustel wrote: Konqueror 4.1.1 stops displaying icons in https mode. This happens consistently at Amazon.com in Konqueror, but not in Firefox. This problem first showed up at amazon.de, but has now spread to amazon.com as well. It shows up when I am placing orders for books. Why are you using Konqueror? Its a horrible web browser!! Firefox if installed correctly is far better. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What does kernel 2.6.27 bring for Artheros AR5007 users?
Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: The ath_pci driver is very falky on a notebook on which I installed Fedora + Livna. I was expecting that ath5k in 2.6.27 would bring AR5007 support, but I saw nothing about it here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 How are other Fedora dealing with the AR5007 wifi card? I'm using a eeepc with the AR5007EG wifi and kernels-2.6.27 in FC10 work great. What did you use before 2.6.27? The madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver, but I'm sure it's changed to a different number by now. While I was using FC9 , I went to Redhat Rawhide and got a Kernel-2.6.27 and installed on FC9 and it worked without any problems. I'm using kernel-2.6.27-0.398.rc9.fc10.i686, If you should choose to go that way, be sure you get the kernel-devel, kernel-headers, from rawhide, just in case you should have to compile anything. I switch to FC10-test because they have a lot of improvements to KDE. The 2.6.27 kernels have fixes for most or all Atheros chipsets, it also fixed my Webcam So I have got a eeePC 702, with all hardware working in FC10. Send me your Email and I will attach an forward the madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz driver to you. I still have it on my PC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hardware Raid Expansion and LVM
Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seann Clark wrote: I am looking for a little help on finding out the best way to do this. I had a 4 disk 1.4TB RAID 5 array, and extended that to an 8 disk 3.18TB array, on a 64 bit system.The Raid card handled the migration of the disks well, and everything on that side is up and running as it should. Problem is I don't know how to extend LVM to a larger size, without doing the whole adding of physical drives, and so forth, and the pv display doesn't show more than the 1.4TB that I started with. Most documentation details software RAID procedures that don't really work with this. I figure I am doing something(lots of things) wrong. Have a look at the thread called "lvm resizing and shifting" (23/8/2008). The issue is similar and my proposal worked in that case. Your problem is that you have a 3TB disk (sdb) containing just a 1.4TB partition (sdb1, which is your pv). I will check out that thread, that should be pretty interesting of a read, I had to have missed it when I was reviewing the list email. I obviously have to recommend to be very careful when doing these operations. You have a backup of your data, right? I don't have a backup for this server right now, so I will be getting that ready to start working (I hope) on this system. My problem is that I have 1.2TB of this filled. I'm also a bit concerned about the fact that you will break the 2TB per partition barrier; I don't know if that limit has been totally removed nowadays. Is the 2TB issue still in place for ext3 filesystems in 64bit? I am not sure, I don't really see mention of this so I might have missed it. If that is the case, I will just set my controller to autocarve and set up two partitions for this.It shouldn't be a problem with the hardware RAID Alternatively, you can add a sdb2 and then pvcreate, vgextend, lvextend. Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 20971519 512-byte hardware sectors (10737 MB) Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 20971519 512-byte hardware sectors (10737 MB) Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] 6814820353 512-byte hardware sectors (3489188 MB) Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write Protect is off Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] 6814820353 512-byte hardware sectors (3489188 MB) Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write Protect is off Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA The important information is just the line you have not included (sdb: sdb1, sdb2?). What about /proc/partitions? The drive in question is sdb(1) What is in /proc/partitions: major minor #blocks name 8 0 10485759 sda 8 1 200781 sda1 8 2 10281600 sda2 816 3407410176 sdb 817 1454324256 sdb1 253 0 1462468608 dm-0 253 12031616 dm-1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What does kernel 2.6.27 bring for Artheros AR5007 users?
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> >> The ath_pci driver is very falky on a notebook on which I installed >> Fedora + Livna. I was expecting that ath5k in 2.6.27 would bring >> AR5007 support, but I saw nothing about it here: >> http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 >> >> How are other Fedora dealing with the AR5007 wifi card? >> >> > > I'm using a eeepc with the AR5007EG wifi and kernels-2.6.27 in FC10 work > great. What did you use before 2.6.27? -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What does kernel 2.6.27 bring for Artheros AR5007 users?
Arthur Pemberton wrote: The ath_pci driver is very falky on a notebook on which I installed Fedora + Livna. I was expecting that ath5k in 2.6.27 would bring AR5007 support, but I saw nothing about it here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 How are other Fedora dealing with the AR5007 wifi card? I'm using a eeepc with the AR5007EG wifi and kernels-2.6.27 in FC10 work great. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gimp 2.6 for F8?
on 10/10/2008 03:52 AM Kam Leo wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 00:16 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote: but smart has the advantage which I like. In case you have a local *.rpm with unsatisfied dependencies on your system, installing this rpm through "smart install" will make smart pull all of those from the repositories on the fly (provided they are available there), instead of spitting the angry error messages into STDOUT like "rpm -ivh" does. I'll point out that yum can do that, too. e.g. "yum localinstall httpd" would install that local file, and should pull in any dependencies, automatically. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 That works only if a yum repository contains the dependency. In this instance the packages are not in a repository but were downloaded into a local directory. guys, don't argue. The takehome message is that both yum and smart have an advantage over "rpm -ivh" :) But I like smart more, it is faster on my machine. -- regards, Oleksandr Korneta I'm running F9 x86_64 and F8 i386 on x86_64 hardware, should this matter. /The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from./ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: command error redirection
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Simon Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ANOOP wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Gopal Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> How top redirect errors of a command to a file >> >> # > errorFile > > That would redirect stdout (normal output) rather than the errors. To > redirect standard error you'd usually do: > > # 2> errorfile > > ..assuming you're using bash for your shell. Thanks Simon > > Simon. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: command error redirection
ANOOP wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Gopal Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear All, How top redirect errors of a command to a file # > errorFile That would redirect stdout (normal output) rather than the errors. To redirect standard error you'd usually do: # 2> errorfile ..assuming you're using bash for your shell. Simon. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: command error redirection
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Gopal Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > How top redirect errors of a command to a file # > errorFile Thanks, Anoop > Thanks > Regards > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
command error redirection
Dear All, How top redirect errors of a command to a file ThanksRegards -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kaddressbook + openldap
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I use dovecot IMAP to keep email on one machine, >> and basically would like to extend this to distribution lists. > > This is where you lose me. I can understand wanting to define a list as > the result of an LDAP query (rather than having to enumerate all the > members) but you can do that via your MTA. For example we have public > IMAP lists defined for "all students", "all faculty" and so on, by > tweaking our Postfix config. I don't know much about Dovecot but I > imagine it can also do this. Involving a mail client just seems to be > the wrong way to go about it. I'm not sure what you mean by an IMAP list? I don't see any facility in dovecot to create lists. (Nb I'm almost completely ignorant of dovecot/IMAP.) Actually, I found it was only moderately painful to create kaddressbook distribution lists from an LDAP address book. Basically, I listed all the entries in the book in kaddressbook. This lists the "o" attribute, which I use for distinguishing entries, and one can go through the list marking entries with Shift-Left Button, and then add all the marked entries to a specified distribution list. I know I could - probably should - have used something like mailman. But I'm rather taken with the idea of keeping all information in an LDAP directory on one machine, which can be accessed over the web. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hardware Raid Expansion and LVM
Seann Clark wrote: > >I am looking for a little help on finding out the best way to do > this. I had a 4 disk 1.4TB RAID 5 array, and extended that to an 8 disk > 3.18TB array, on a 64 bit system.The Raid card handled the migration of > the disks well, and everything on that side is up and running as it > should. Problem is I don't know how to extend LVM to a larger size, > without doing the whole adding of physical drives, and so forth, and the > pv display doesn't show more than the 1.4TB that I started with. Most > documentation details software RAID procedures that don't really work > with this. I figure I am doing something(lots of things) wrong. Have a look at the thread called "lvm resizing and shifting" (23/8/2008). The issue is similar and my proposal worked in that case. Your problem is that you have a 3TB disk (sdb) containing just a 1.4TB partition (sdb1, which is your pv). I obviously have to recommend to be very careful when doing these operations. You have a backup of your data, right? I'm also a bit concerned about the fact that you will break the 2TB per partition barrier; I don't know if that limit has been totally removed nowadays. Alternatively, you can add a sdb2 and then pvcreate, vgextend, lvextend. > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 20971519 512-byte > hardware sectors (10737 MB) > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, > read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 20971519 512-byte > hardware sectors (10737 MB) > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, > read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Very big device. Trying > to use READ CAPACITY(16). > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] 6814820353 512-byte > hardware sectors (3489188 MB) > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write Protect is off > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, > read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Very big device. Trying > to use READ CAPACITY(16). > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] 6814820353 512-byte > hardware sectors (3489188 MB) > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write Protect is off > Oct 9 11:58:39 haruhi kernel: sd 0:0:0:1: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, > read cache: disabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA The important information is just the line you have not included (sdb: sdb1, sdb2?). What about /proc/partitions? Best regards. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gimp 2.6 for F8?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 00:16 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote: >> but smart has the advantage which I like. In case you have a >> local *.rpm with unsatisfied dependencies on your system, installing >> this rpm through "smart install" will make smart pull all of those >> from the repositories on the fly (provided they are available there), >> instead of spitting the angry error messages into STDOUT like "rpm >> -ivh" does. > > I'll point out that yum can do that, too. > > e.g. "yum localinstall httpd" would install that local file, and > should pull in any dependencies, automatically. > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 That works only if a yum repository contains the dependency. In this instance the packages are not in a repository but were downloaded into a local directory. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gimp 2.6 for F8?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 00:16 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote: >> In case you have a >> local *.rpm with unsatisfied dependencies on your system, installing >> this rpm through "smart install" will make smart pull all of those >> from >> the repositories on the fly (provided they are available there), >> instead >> of spitting the angry error messages into STDOUT like "rpm -ivh" does. > > "yum localinstall .rpm" will also do this. > > poc > You're missing the point with the yum example. The dependency(ies) are also local files. I don't believe that yum will search the local directory and pull in the additional packages. It would have to be "yum localinstall package1.rpm package2.rpm ..." in order to pick up the dependencies. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: amarok and cover flow on ipod nano 2nd gen
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Gianluca Cecchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > I have an ipod nano 2nd gen 8Gb black. > I have set it up inside amarok and I can transfer songs/albums. > But it seems I don't get cover flows on ipod > amarok is 1.4.10-1.fc9.i386 > Any hints? > After fetching covers from amazon into collection and trying to > transfer to device the album I only get songs... > Selecting ipod -> update artwork gives "updated artwork for 177 > tracks" but actually nothing on ipod (no covers at all) > > Thanks, > Gianluca > It was my fault: actually the iPod was a 3rd gen Nano 8Gb black.. ;-) After setting it correctly in amarok, coverflow arrived smoothly! Gianluca -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mounted media icon on desktop, missed, F9
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:42 AM, lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > After moved to F9, the mounted media icon, eg, USB disk, are not appearing > on desktop. why? Looks like you are using KDE. > and how to restore it? as, with mounted icon, it is > intuitive to see if a usb is mounted. In order to see the plugged in device under KDE, you need to use 'new device notifier' plasmoid. Thanks, Anoop > thanks > Y > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gimp 2.6 for F8?
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 00:16 -0400, oleksandr korneta wrote: > but smart has the advantage which I like. In case you have a > local *.rpm with unsatisfied dependencies on your system, installing > this rpm through "smart install" will make smart pull all of those > from the repositories on the fly (provided they are available there), > instead of spitting the angry error messages into STDOUT like "rpm > -ivh" does. I'll point out that yum can do that, too. e.g. "yum localinstall httpd" would install that local file, and should pull in any dependencies, automatically. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mounted media icon on desktop, missed, F9
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 10:12 +1100, lux wrote: > After moved to F9, the mounted media icon, eg, USB disk, are not > appearing on desktop. why? They are here... Tell the list whether you're using Gnome, KDE, or something else. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: DISCOVERY Re: Why is Firefox such a beast??
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:42 +, Beartooth wrote: > Also, dragging one file (or many, or all) from the folder on the > CD to one on the hard drive would copy, not move -- i.e., not remove > from the CD -- even though the same action would move (not copy) the > file if I did it between most hard drive folders. (The ones in the > backgrounds tab of what "gnome-appearance-properties %F" opens, I > believe, are an exception in that they aren't removed from the > donating folder.) In general, dragging between folders on the same mount point, does a move. But dragging across different mount points (different partitions, different drives, etc.), does a copy. I've had mixed results in dragging and dropping across to something over NFS. > I don't know exactly what the padlock means; it seems to vary. In general, you cannot make changes to that file, but you may be able read it, but sometimes you have no sort of access allowed to it (in short, "not yours"). Someone else owns it, and you don't have the appropriate permissions to modify it. > In particular, Fedora will usually open a pic with a padlock -- > at least in the sense that it will display it; but it often won't open > some other file at all. Look at the permissions: rw-rwr-r-- (that's three sequences of readable, writeable, and executable, for owner's, group's, & others'). There's also SELinux, some files aren't allowed to be read by some processes. But that's more the sort of thing you encounter when trying to webserve some file that shouldn't be served. > Nor do I have any inkling why ownership should change. If I copy > something -- text, pic, or executable -- successfully to the clipboard > (I guess Gnome has a clipboard.), and then paste it into a file that I > create, don't I own that file? In general, yes. Ownership oughtn't to change, unless you take a file off your system. e.g. You put it onto a removable disc, then later on that disc is mounted and owned by someone else. Or you're logged in twice, as different users, moving files about between them. Or you're doing things over a network. With NFS, for instance, the files are owned by a user, using the user ID, it doesn't matter what the user names are. If you're user 500 on one box and 502 on another, you're a different user going by the numbers. > Is it even possible to set permissions in such a way that a user > can copy a file, but not own the copy?? That sounds like some M$ > trick ... It's doable with Samba, at least. It can be set so that files written to one spot are owned by some particular user, no matter how they got there. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.26.5-45.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
