Re: F10: Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/kde/AdobeReader.desktop': No such file or directory

[Ed Greshko]

Joachim Backes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> if installing a rpm by rpm or yum, sometimes getting the message:
>
>  snip --
> Could not parse file
> '/usr/share/applications/kde/AdobeReader.desktop': No such file or
> directory
> - snap -
>
> I have an installed AdobeReader_deu-8.1.3-1.i486 from adobe.de.
>
> Has somebody an explanation for this behaviour?
>
> Regards
No explanation  However, just a bit of FWIW  On my RHELv4 system
/usr/share/applications/kde/AdobeReader.desktop exists and is a sym link
to  /usr/share/applnk/Applications/AdobeReader.desktop



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Re: Growing file system for a VMWare installation of F10

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Alex wrote:

I've installed F10 as a guest system in VMWare. After a few days, I
realized
the virtual drive is already approaching its limits, so I plan to enlarge
it. After reading a bit, the following steps should do it:

The current disk layout is quite simple. Only 2 partitions, /dev/sda1
mounted on / and /dev/sda2 for swapspace.

* Backup everything (easy, just backup the VMWare virtual disk drive)

* use vmware-vdiskmanager to grow the virtual drive

* use the install medium to boot into rescue mode, but do NOT let the
rescue
  console mount the partition(s)

* perform a full (-f) file system check

* use fdisk to a) delete the swap partition (which directly follows the
  primary root partition)

* again fdisk to delete the primary partition immediately followed by
  recreating it with the new size (leave the desired amount of free space
  for the new swap partition).

* use resize2fs on the new partition to grow the file system.

* create a new swap partition using the remaining free space. Modify
  /etc/fstab with the new UUID of the newly created swapspace.

That should basically do it, right? Any things which could go wrong except
for the odd typo when recreating the partition?


Ok, but as I can see, you'll end up with a new, larger /dev/sda1 and an 
empty filesystem mounted on / (aside from a new swap). How do you want 
to recover your data from your old virtual drive?
What I did in your situation: After growing my virtual drive with 
vmware-vdiskmanager I booted into the virtual machine with a GParted 
bootable disk. With GParted I could resize the file system on / without 
data loss.

Klaus

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Re: Very slow-starting EVDO modem

[Frank Cox]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:08:36 -0600
Frank Cox wrote:

> As you can see, it took six minutes before the device somehow reset itself and
> the machine realized that it had a modem attached.

I have now discovered what changes when the five minute delay is up.  As
mentioned before, the modem takes 5 minutes before it creates the /tty/USB?
devices.

Somehow, the modem changes its identity after being plugged in for 5 minutes.

When the modem is first plugged in, this is what is created in
/proc/bus/usb/devices:

T:  Bus=04 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1410 ProdID=5010 Rev= 0.00
S:  Manufacturer=Novatel Wireless Inc.
S:  Product=Novatel Wireless CDMA
S:  SerialNumber=09108743915
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=500mA
I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage
E:  Ad=87(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=08(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms

After five minutes, this is what I find in /proc/bus/usb/devices:

T:  Bus=04 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  4 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1410 ProdID=4100 Rev= 0.00
S:  Manufacturer=Novatel Wireless Inc.
S:  Product=Novatel Wireless CDMA
S:  SerialNumber=091087439151000
C:* #Ifs= 5 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=500mA
I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=option
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=  16 Ivl=128ms
E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
I:* If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=option
E:  Ad=84(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=04(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
I:* If#= 2 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=option
E:  Ad=89(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=09(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
I:* If#= 3 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=option
E:  Ad=8a(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=0a(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
I:* If#= 4 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage
E:  Ad=85(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=06(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms

Notice that the product id has magically changed from 5010 to 4100.  This is
the point at which the modem begins working and the /tty/USB? devices are
created.

I put this same modem on a machine running Centos 5 and found the exact same
behaviour, though I have to use a modprobe command to make it recognize the
modem on Centos 5 (modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410 product=0x4100) and the
modprobe is not required to make it recognize the modem on Fedora 10.  The
product id changes in the same way in /proc/bus/usb/devices, after the same
five minute wait.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473166

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Petrus de Calguarium]

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> KDE4 represents a totally different UI that presents a
> migration challenge to "more experienced" users.
As a very experienced user, there was absolutely no challenge whatsoever. I 
simply upgraded and began using it immediately, without a hitch. It is all 
pretty obvious: mouse clicks, menus, desktops, task bars and panels, etc.

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F10: Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/kde/AdobeReader.desktop': No such file or directory

[Joachim Backes]

Hi,

if installing a rpm by rpm or yum, sometimes getting the message:

 snip --
Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/kde/AdobeReader.desktop': 
No such file or directory

- snap -

I have an installed AdobeReader_deu-8.1.3-1.i486 from adobe.de.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Russell Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
>> Defaults and configuration details *are* part of distribution choices.
>>
> I've always thought that providing the means to quickly and easily change
> them is the other half of that equation.
>
> Oddly enough, no one ever seems to agree.
>
> --Russell
>
>> Rahul

I actually agree. The least you can do is draw up a list of such
deficiencies, ie. things that need to be easier to change, and post it
on the wiki and to the list.

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Re: Fedora 9: mutt/alpine: problem viewing attachments; xdg?

[Tim]

On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 14:32 +1100, L wrote:
> speaking for mutt, if you have these lines in /etc/mailcap
> 
> application/pdf; evince %s
> application/postscript ; evince %s
> 
> you should view pdf attachment using evince

Out of curiosity, does that still work with a moron e-mail program that
sends attachments with the wrong MIME type declaration, and/or badly
named attachments.

e.g. MSOE saying a "random.file" attachment is application/octet-stream.

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Re: firefox

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Nick wrote:
> This is a new clean install of f10
> All I did after the install was yum update and let it do everything it
> wanted

with a clean install, there are several things that you must set up.

networking is not the least of important ones. it actually should be
considered as first to get working correctly.

internet browser and email clients shortly after. so you can get help
setting up networking. :o)

> Im still getting f10 running so got no other mail other than hotmail a the
> moment

being that you are moving to linux, it may well be beneficial to move
up to gmail asap. and you should set up your service provider account
in thunderbird in event that you have problems with gmail.

hotmail is 'ms oriented' and therefore there will be problems you do not
need to be bothered by. several have occurred in past 30 days with their
'improvement updates'.

gmail is very 'linux friendly' and if you have installed thunderbird,
being that you are moving out of ms. it is knowledgeable of gmail setup.
there are other linux email clients if you are so inclined to learn them.

> there is no prior linux

it is not msbsos windows, but it is easy to learn.

> im beginning in linux

welcome to a whole new world of computers and enjoyment.


as poc stated in his post, 'networkmanager' is a service that you will
be better off disabling. unless you are running wifi. for now, if you
are using wifi, i would suggest that you not use it and go 'hardwire'
until you get everything else set up. then you can go after wifi.


i do not have f10 installed yet. i am waiting for 'early bugs' to be found.
for internet, i am using sl5.4, 'scientific linux 5.4, which is a 'rewrite'
of rhel5.4. there will be some difference also, as i am using kde3 and none
of headaches of kde4. if i tell you something different than what you find,
i am sure that poc, chris, or one of other followers of this thread, will
make comment to put you in right direction.

some will/may not see or understand why i set up a system in this way. if
they just give thought to what i do and results i get, hopefully they will
understand. this 'procedure' has worked for me and many others that i have
help in their set up and continues to work. what more can i say.


these instructions are presuming that you are using kde and not gnome
for your desktop. [yes, i should have asked at start what you are using]


to insure that you have a more pleasurable experience with linux,
**do not work as root user**. _always_start_as_a_user_.

you know root password and that is all you need as a user to set up
your system. there are some things that a root login can make easier,
but primarily, the inconvenience of having to enter root password to
do system configs is not that big a deal.


as a suggestion to make things a little easier and linux more enjoyable,
you should disable automatic start up of networking. unless you are in a
networked environment and must start up with networking enabled. which i
do not believe to be in your case.


from kde menu, in 'system > services' or 'preferences > services',
select 'services'.

from 'services' 'menu bar' select 'edit runlevel > runlevel all'.

disable, click [check mark], for each runlevel for 'NetworkManager',
'NetworkManagerDispatcher', 'netfs', 'network'. click 'save' icon and
close 'services' configuration.


on 'taskbar panel', right click kde logo, select 'menu editor'.

in 'menu editor' window, right click on 'internet' or 'system' to hilite
and select 'new item'. enter 'ethernet 0 up', click 'ok'.

to right side, in 'command:', enter '/sbin/ifup eth0'. click 'icon'
selector, square to right of 'name:' and 'description:', this will
give you 'select icon' window. click '[applications]' button, select
'actions' then click '1uparrow'.

next, right click on 'ethernet 0 up' to hilite and select 'new item'.
enter 'ethernet 0 down', click 'ok'.

to right side, in 'command:', enter '/sbin/ifdown eth0'. click 'icon'
selector, square to right of 'name:' and 'description:'. this will give
you 'select icon' window. click '[applications]' button, select 'actions'
then click '1downarrow'.

move cursor pointer to 'floppy disk' icon and click to save.

this now gives you 2 new commands by which you can control your ethernet
connection.


in 'taskbar panel', right click an icon, select 'panel menu > add application
to panel'. select 'internet' or 'system' as chosen above, click 'ethernet 0
up'. repeat and select 'ethernet 0 down'. you now have icons on panel to enable
and disable ethernet.


to make things a little more enjoyable with firefox, open firefox, look
at 'menu bar' and you will see that it is similar to what you used in oos.
main difference will be in what is in 'drop down menus'.

click 'edit', 'preferences' to change firefox to a default start up.
select 'main', set 'when firefox starts:' to 'show a blank page'. close
'preferences'. this will allow firefox to be in an 'online' state

Re: Re:B&W Awstats Reports

[Tim]

Please do NOT post HTML to the list, it causes a plethora of problems.
Can't work out how?  Say so...  Someone else using the same mail system
as you may be able to advise.


On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 12:59 -0800, elk dolk wrote:
> 1- My Apache web server is working now.

That's good.

> 2- I unistalled awstats-6.8-1.noarch.rpm and installed awstats
> with “yum install awstats” and it worked fine.

While there sometimes is an advantage in installing programs from
outside of repos (newer versions, different features, etc.), there's
advantages in using packages from the usual Fedora repos (you get
updates, automatically, and things generally work together as a system).
I'd use the usual repos, as my first choice.

> 3 – This is /etc/awstats/*.conf :
>
> SiteDomain="nature.com"
> 
> HostAliases="nature www.nature 127.0.0.1 localhost"   /// this
> line looks strange!

It's a list of different ways that your site could be referred to in the
logs.  Just include the ones that apply to your own site.  The last two
probably aren't applicable, in your case.  I doubt your remotely hosted
site will be accessed through the local loopback address.  The list of
aliases can serve two purposes, depending on how the stats program
works:

To distinguish your own website logs apart from other websites, if the
log is a combination of several sites.

To distinguish apart referrers from your own site and others.  Referrers
being the location that referred to a page.  e.g. Someone loads your
homepage, and they came from someone else's homepage - you'll see where
they came from.  Depending on what your site is about, most of your
referrers may be your own site (people browsing around your pages), or
most may be external (people came from somewhere else, and only looked
at one of your pages).


> DirIcons="/awstatsicons" 
>
>  /// Alias /awstatsicons "/usr/share/awstats/wwwroot/icon/" path
> is O.K.

I presume you mean with the "Alias" line in your webserver
configuration.

> 4- This is /etc/httpd/conf.d/awstats.conf :
> 
> Alias /awstatsicons "/usr/share/awstats/wwwroot/icon/"

Try without the trailing slashes on the paths.  And make sure that there
are icon image files in:  /usr/share/awstats/wwwroot/icon/  And that the
path end is "icon" not "icons" (change your config files if they're
wrong).

> 5 – I think I am close but still my reports are black &
> white , I miss icons !

As well as my above advice, how are you trying to read the statistics?
The usual way is through the webserver, supplying part of the awstats
configuration file as the configuration parameter.

e.g. If your configuration file is /etc/awstats/awstats.mywebsite.conf
(which seems to be the expected pattern), then the parameter you supply
would just be "mywebsite", thus:

http://localhost/awstats/awstats.pl?config=mywebsite

(protocol, server address, script location, script, parameters)

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How to rebuild kde F10 menu

[GioMBG]

Hi All!
What I can do to rebuild my kde menu
I've loose all amminstaration menu section :(
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Re: F10 wireless question

[Peter Gordon]

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 20:34 -0500, fred smith wrote:
> 1. the very first time I got a wireless connection I stumbled over
> an app that shows a bar graph of signal strengths for all the wireless
> APs in reception range. I can't figure out where or how I found it,
> and I've looked at every network-related item I can find on the menus.
> Where is it hiding?

You're probably referring to the NetworkManager applet. If you click on
it in your system tray (near the upper right corner of the screen by
default), it will show you a list of all available APs in the area as
well as other network options (such as VPNS, if any are configured).

At first if you're not connected, the icon will look somewhat like two
computers with a red "X" between them. Once you are connected, it will
be a small bar graph showing your current connection's signal strength.

> 2. This may be the same issue: I can't figure out how to select, on
> the fly, which wireless AP I want to connect to. The only way I've found
> to switch from one to another (when both are in range) is to edit the
> connection settings to disable the one that's currently up and enable
> the one I want to switch to, then log off and back on. There must be
> a better way.

Once you find the applet, you merely need to click it to show available
APs, then simply select (again, by clicking) the AP you wish to connect
with, and it will automagically disconnect from your current AP and
reconnect to the AP you chose.

Hope that helps.
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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Rahul Sundaram]

Russell Miller wrote:

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


Defaults and configuration details *are* part of distribution choices.

I've always thought that providing the means to quickly and easily 
change them is the other half of that equation.


Oddly enough, no one ever seems to agree.


In theory, this sounds good usually but in practise some choices are not 
going to be easily revertible and some even deliberately so.


Rahul

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How to install sun JRE (for mozilla plugin) on Fedora 10

[Kevin Kempter]

Hi All;

I need to access java (the mozilla JRE plugin) for a client VPN - however I've 
found that there is no 64bit plugin available.  

Is there a way around this ?


Thx

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Russell Miller]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


Defaults and configuration details *are* part of distribution choices.

I've always thought that providing the means to quickly and easily 
change them is the other half of that equation.


Oddly enough, no one ever seems to agree.

--Russell


Rahul



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Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ?

[Yuan Yijun]

2008/12/3 Yuan Yijun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I think we may find a good name on
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore
>
> There is a famous peom 'Saying Goodbye to Cambridge Again' written by
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Zhimo at 1922. Quote from wikipedia:
>
> "To commemorate Xu Zhimo, in July, 2008, a white marble stone has been
> installed at the back of King's College, University of Cambridge, on
> which is inscribed a verse from Xu's best-known poem, 'Saying Goodbye
> to Cambridge Again'."
>
> Since Cambridge is part of a poem, then we can always find a good poem
> with a sound title.


Here is a translation of that poem:


http://my.opera.com/hercyna/blog/show.dml/308333

Very quietly I take my leave
As quietly as I came here;
Quietly I wave good-bye
To the rosy clouds in the western sky.
轻轻的我走了，
正如我轻轻的来；
我轻轻的招手，
作别西天的云彩。

The golden willows by the riverside
Are young brides in the setting sun;
Their reflections on the shimmering waves
Always linger in the depth of my heart.
那河畔的金柳
是夕阳中的新娘
波光里的艳影，
在我的心头荡漾。

The floatingheart growing in the sludge
Sways leisurely under the water;
In the gentle waves of Cambridge
I would be a water plant!
软泥上的青荇，
油油的在水底招摇；
在康河的柔波里，
我甘心做一条水草

That pool under the shade of elm trees
Holds not water but the rainbow from the sky;
Shattered to pieces among the duckweeds
Is the sediment of a rainbow-like dream?
那榆荫下的一潭，
不是清泉，是天上虹
揉碎在浮藻间，
沉淀着彩虹似的梦。

To seek a dream? Just to pole a boat upstream
To where the green grass is more verdant;
Or to have the boat fully loaded with starlight
And sing aloud in the splendour of starlight.
寻梦？撑一支长篙，
向青草更青处漫溯，
满载一船星辉，
在星辉斑斓里放歌

But I cannot sing aloud
Quietness is my farewell music;
Even summer insects heep silence for me
Silent is Cambridge tonight!
但我不能放歌，
悄悄是别离的笙箫；
夏虫也为我沉默，
沉默是今晚的康桥！

Very quietly I take my leave
As quietly as I came here;
Gently I flick my sleeves
Not even a wisp of cloud will I bring away
悄悄的我走了，
正如我悄悄的来；
我挥一挥衣袖，
不带走一片云彩。




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Re: Borked MD RAID...

[Lonni J Friedman]

That would be the only static location that I'm aware of.  What does
'mdadm --detail /dev/md0' return ?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not in /etc/mdadm.conf...  Where else could it be defined?
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Lonni J Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Are you sure that you don't have a spare designated somewhere?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Ok, so here's what /proc/mdstat says after a clean reboot:
>> >
>> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
>> > md0 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
>> >   1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
>> >
>> > md_d0 : inactive sdd[2](S)
>> >   732574464 blocks
>> >
>> > unused devices: 
>> >
>> > I basically have to do:
>> >
>> >>mdadm --stop /dev/md_d0
>> >>mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1
>> >>cat /proc/mdstat
>> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
>> > md0 : active raid5 sdd1[3] sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
>> >   1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
>> >   [>]  recovery =  0.4% (3269252/732571904)
>> > finish=153.7min speed=79057K/sec
>> >
>> > unused devices: 
>> >
>> > Furthermore, the first time I saw this, it was /dev/sdb that had
>> > dropped.
>> > Yesterday it was /dev/sdc.  Today it's /dev/sdd.  That's what throws me
>> > off
>> > about this whole thing.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > -Eitan-
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Lonni J Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I just recently installed a 3-disk RAID5 array in a server of mine,
>> >> > running
>> >> > FC9. Upon reboot, one of the drives drops out, and is allocated as a
>> >> > spare.
>> >> > I suspect there is some sort of issue where DBUS re-arranges the
>> >> > drive-to-device maps between boots, but I am not sure... Just kind of
>> >> > annoying to have to stop and re-add a drive every boot, and wait the
>> >> > couple
>> >> > hours for the array to rebuild the 3rd disk. Any thoughts? Anyone
>> >> > else
>> >> > encountered such an issue before? What should I be looking for? I'm
>> >> > new
>> >> > to
>> >> > the world of RAID, so any information you can give may be helpful.
>> >>
>> >> What's in /etc/mdadm.conf, /proc/mdstat and dmesg when this fails ?



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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Rahul Sundaram]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

1. I don't want to start a KDE food fight. I suspect that
it's a generational thing. In any event, I would think that
enough interest exists in the 3.5x "branch" to reconsider
including it on the install media. How many people are
installing "Sugar?"


FYI, the largest deployment of Fedora (several hundreds of thousands of 
new users every month), is via OLPC and they use Sugar by default. At 
any rate, any free and open source without legal encumbrances can be in 
Fedora even if one contributor steps up to do the work and he or she is 
the only user of the software.I am pretty sure, there are atleast some 
software packages in the repository where this is indeed the case. 
Popularity isn't a criteria for inclusion of any software in the Fedora 
repository.


If people step up to maintain parallel installable KDE 3 packages, there 
is nothing to stop them from doing so.



2. The release notes: "This is to support gdm no longer
allowing the root user to log in to the graphical desktop."

While this is consistent with best practices and can be
changed by editing the file in pam.d, it just seems to me
that Fedora should not be making this decision for users.


Defaults and configuration details *are* part of distribution choices.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:31:23 -0500
> Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sought? Yes. Recieved? No :-).
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562
>
> There is also this:
>
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553250
>
> The consistent arrogance displayed by gnome developers
> that they know best and everyone else in the world is
> an idiot leads me to wonder if it really would be worth
> the effort to to create a branch of the gnome project
> (maybe called "sane gnome") and see how long it takes
> to become infinitely more popular.

Well I use KDE, so I can't say I understand the situation.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:40 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:14:59 -0600
> "Arthur Pemberton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> How is Sugar related to KDE though?
>
> It's not. However, I SUSPECT that there might be more
> people who want KDE-3.5 than Sugar. It's worth exploring.
> It could be just me but I don't think so due to discussions
> that I have seen on other forums. My impression is that
> there is a fairly sizable group of 3.5x users who won't
> change to 4.

I'm suggesting that the _fact_ that there is no KDE 3.5 or KDE 3.5
SIG, means that what ever interest there is is not enough. There is no
one preventing parallel KDE 3.5 in Fedora.

>> > Again, I am not knocking KDE4. However, it is a radical
>> > departure from something that I have been using since
>> > RH-9, possibly earlier.
>>
>> KDE 3.5 was fairly different than what was in RH-9 if I
>> remember correctly.
>
> Not really IIRC. Moreover, this is the first KDE release
> since then without an upgrade path. New releases have added
> features and horsepower but have been consistent in
> approach.

Fair enough.

>>
>> This is an attempt to protect the innocent and
>> uninformed. The very people who shouldn't be logging in
>> as root. Those who have enough information to make the
>> decision for themselves generally can make the switch
>> themselves as well.
>>
> That makes sense until you have a bunch of problems with a
> new installation and need to figure out how to make the
> edit to log into a UI as boot. It's not up to Fedora to
> protect me from my own stupidity - that would be a losing
> proposition from the outset ;-)

Ok. I suggest you start a SIG to spin a version of Fedora with all
these stuff put off. I am pretty sure that you're not going to get a
majority of the Fedora workers to agree that preventative measures
should be removed distro wide.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Of more concern is stuff like gdm having (apparently) hard coded
>> > options for starting the X server that always add -nolisten tcp.
> ...
>> Have you sought and received any feedback of this issue?
>
> Sought? Yes. Recieved? No :-).
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562
>
> Actually, I did get a good work around for not being able to
> specify -dpi to the X server, but no info at all on how to
> turn off -nolisten tcp (or the other request someone added
> to the bug: how to turn on backing store).

Ok, I hope you get assistance.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:30 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:21:07 -0600
> "Arthur Pemberton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At the risk of being a complete apostate, I have ALWAYS
>> > disabled SELinux. Please, no gratuitous lectures. I also
>> > absolutely loathe the rhgb. IMHO, these should all be
>> > install options, enabled by default with an "expert
>> > only" or similar warning.
>>
>> Re: SELInux? Why do you do so?

Ok. Fair enough. But seems like SELinux is like firewalls, and virus
scans. Increases security.


> Because it serves no purpose - for me.
>>
>> > This is possibly a business decision because of the
>> > amount of time devoted to Bugzilla by Redhat employees.
>>
>> How is bugzilla related to this?
>>
> Because Bugzilla causes a considerable consumption of time
> by people on RH's payroll. Some of these issues reduce user
> errors that get reported as bugs incorrectly.

Ok. I'm not following your line or reasoning at all You were talking
about SELinux and rghb and then switched to Bugzilla.

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Blackberry 8830 with Network Manager

[Christopher A. Williams]

I'm trying to figure out how to get my tethered Blackberry 8830 to work
as a modem with Network Manager. Sprint is my carrier and I have their
Linux modem setup document. It's straight forward.

The only thing missing is that Network Manager doesn't recognize my BB
as a modem.

I know I could set up kppp or gnome-ppp to make the connection, but I
would prefer to use Network Manager.

Ideas on how to make this work?

Cheers,

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Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 15:35 -0500, Andrew Overholt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> - "Linuxguy123" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So how do we get Eclipse to run on F10 ?
> 
> I realize this isn't going to help you, but it runs just fine for me and 
> others on F10.  yum install eclipse-pde will get you the Eclipse SDK.  I 
> can't 
> think of anything you can do other than verify all your packages are good 
> with 
> rpm -qV and don't have some wackiness in ~/.eclipse.


It still crashes.

I did a yum remove eclipse\*

I removed java-1.6.0-openjdk-\* 

I removed ~/.eclipse

I removed /usr/lib/eclipse

I removed /usr/share/eclipse

I reinstalled eclipse-cdt

I reinstalled java.

It crashes when I start it up.

!SESSION 2008-12-02 20:11:00.096
---
eclipse.buildId=M20080911-1700
java.version=1.6.0_0
java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.
BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US
Command-line arguments:  -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86

!ENTRY org.eclipse.equinox.app 0 0 2008-12-02 20:11:01.273
!MESSAGE Product org.fedoraproject.ide.platform.product could not be
found.

!ENTRY org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director 2 0 2008-12-02 20:11:01.979
!MESSAGE Problems resolving provisioning plan.
!SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director 2 0 2008-12-02 20:11:01.979
!MESSAGE Unable to satisfy dependency from org.eclipse.cdt.util
5.0.0.200806171202 to requiredCapability: osgi.bundle/org.junit/0.0.0.
!SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director 2 0 2008-12-02 20:11:01.979
!MESSAGE Unable to satisfy dependency from
org.eclipse.cdt.util.feature.group 5.0.0.200806171202 to
requiredCapability: org.eclipse.equinox.p2.iu/org.junit/0.0.0.

!ENTRY org.eclipse.equinox.p2.engine 4 4 2008-12-02 20:11:02.731
!MESSAGE An error occurred while installing the items
!SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.equinox.p2.touchpoint.eclipse 4 0 2008-12-02
20:11:02.731
!MESSAGE The artifact file for com.ibm.icu/osgi.bundle/3.8.1.v20080530
was not found.

!ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 4 0 2008-12-02 20:11:02.737
!MESSAGE Application error
!STACK 1
java.lang.RuntimeException: No application id has been found.
at
org.eclipse.equinox.internal.app.EclipseAppContainer.startDefaultApp(EclipseAppContainer.java:236)
at
org.eclipse.equinox.internal.app.MainApplicationLauncher.run(MainApplicationLauncher.java:29)
at
org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.runApplication(EclipseAppLauncher.java:110)
at
org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.start(EclipseAppLauncher.java:79)
at
org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:386)
at
org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:179)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:57)
at
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:616)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.invokeFramework(Main.java:549)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.basicRun(Main.java:504)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.run(Main.java:1236)





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Re: Borked MD RAID...

[Eitan Tsur]

Not in /etc/mdadm.conf...  Where else could it be defined?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Lonni J Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are you sure that you don't have a spare designated somewhere?
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok, so here's what /proc/mdstat says after a clean reboot:
> >
> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> > md0 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
> >   1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
> >
> > md_d0 : inactive sdd[2](S)
> >   732574464 blocks
> >
> > unused devices: 
> >
> > I basically have to do:
> >
> >>mdadm --stop /dev/md_d0
> >>mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1
> >>cat /proc/mdstat
> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> > md0 : active raid5 sdd1[3] sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
> >   1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
> >   [>]  recovery =  0.4% (3269252/732571904)
> > finish=153.7min speed=79057K/sec
> >
> > unused devices: 
> >
> > Furthermore, the first time I saw this, it was /dev/sdb that had dropped.
> > Yesterday it was /dev/sdc.  Today it's /dev/sdd.  That's what throws me
> off
> > about this whole thing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Eitan-
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Lonni J Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> > I just recently installed a 3-disk RAID5 array in a server of mine,
> >> > running
> >> > FC9. Upon reboot, one of the drives drops out, and is allocated as a
> >> > spare.
> >> > I suspect there is some sort of issue where DBUS re-arranges the
> >> > drive-to-device maps between boots, but I am not sure... Just kind of
> >> > annoying to have to stop and re-add a drive every boot, and wait the
> >> > couple
> >> > hours for the array to rebuild the 3rd disk. Any thoughts? Anyone else
> >> > encountered such an issue before? What should I be looking for? I'm
> new
> >> > to
> >> > the world of RAID, so any information you can give may be helpful.
> >>
> >> What's in /etc/mdadm.conf, /proc/mdstat and dmesg when this fails ?
> >>
>
>
>
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Re: Cisco VPN via vpnc - config issues

[fred smith]

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:14:06PM -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> Hi all ;
> 
> I've installed vpnc on Fedora 10
> 
> I have a cisco connection on a mac that works fine.
> 
> I've tried to re-create in a vpnc config file like this (I replaced the 
> values 
> for security):
> 
> IPSec gateway 1.2.3.4
> IPSec ID custname
> IKE Authmode psk
> IPSec secret psk_secret
> # your username goes here:
> Xauth username assigned_username
> 
> 
> I always get this response:
> Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> vpnc: no response from target
> 
> Can anyone help me debug this ?
> 

If you have a Cisco .PCF file for this connection, you can convert it
into a vpnc configuration file with the "pcf2vpnc" utility that is part
of the vpnc distribution.

I don't know if pcf2vpnc is part of the vpnc rpm that comes with F10 or
not, though I suspect it may not be. But I got the impression from your
posting that you had built vpnc from source yourself??? if so, you should
have that tool.

If that doesn't help you, you may want to look into firewall rules that
may be blocking the vpn, etc.

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Cisco VPN via vpnc - config issues

[Kevin Kempter]

Hi all ;

I've installed vpnc on Fedora 10

I have a cisco connection on a mac that works fine.

I've tried to re-create in a vpnc config file like this (I replaced the values 
for security):

IPSec gateway 1.2.3.4
IPSec ID custname
IKE Authmode psk
IPSec secret psk_secret
# your username goes here:
Xauth username assigned_username


I always get this response:
Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
vpnc: no response from target

Can anyone help me debug this ?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Fedora 9: mutt/alpine: problem viewing attachments; xdg?

[L]

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Michael Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings.  One of my "customers" is having a problem viewing
> attachments with command-line mail clients, alpine and mutt, on a system
> running Fedora 9, i386.
>
> The attachment type of most interest is PDF.  He's been getting error
> messages to the effect that the attachment is an unrecognized MIME type,
> and that a given attachment could not be found.  (Note that the
> different error messages probably arise under different conditions,
> after either his own environment or the system environment has changed
> slightly.)
>
> In fact, PDF should be recognized:
>


speaking for mutt, if you have these lines in /etc/mailcap

application/pdf; evince %s
application/postscript ; evince %s

you should view pdf attachment using evince




>
># grep pdf /etc/mime.types
>application/pdf pdf
>
># grep pdf /etc/mailcap
>application/pdf; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s
>
> I've been able to work around the problem by modifying /etc/mailcap to
> explicitly invoke a PDF viewer, as:
>
># grep pdf /etc/mailcap
>application/pdf; /usr/bin/xpdf %s
>
> I presume I could also use evince instead of xpdf.
>
> The xdg-open man page states:
>
>xdg-open opens a file or URL in the user's preferred application.
>If a URL is provided the URL will be opened in the user's
>preferred web browser. If a file is provided the file will be
>opened in the preferred application for files of that type.
>xdg-open supports file, ftp, http and https URLs.
>
> When I try to use xdg-open, it ALWAYS tries to open a browser (firefox),
> apparently because it's always being "fed" a URL, even for local files
> (as "file://foo.bar").  I'm not sure about this.
>
> Also I have yet to figure out how to tell xdg-open what my "preferred
> application" is.  Where does it get that information?
>
> If you can shed any light on any of this, please let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mike
>
>
>
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F10 -- can't enable DPMS power save

[Sam Varshavchik]

After upgrading to Fedora 10, I can't seem to set one of my laptops to 
automatically power its LCD backlight off, when idle.


The only settings that I can find in Gnome menus are System → Preferences → 
Look And Feel → Screen Saver, which runs gnome-screensaver. I have "Activate 
screensaver when computer is idle" checked. Under "Power Management" I have 
"Put display to sleep when inactive for 20 minutes", "Set display brightness 
to: 0%", and "Dim display when idle" checked.


However, the laptop's LCD backlight stays off.

"xset q" shows the following:

DPMS (Energy Star):
 Standby: 0Suspend: 0Off: 0
 DPMS is Enabled
 Monitor is On

So, despite the screensaver settings, x.org still has its DPMS knobs turned 
off. After RTFMing, I manually add the following to xorg.conf:


Section "ServerFlags"
   Option  "BlankTime" "20"
   Option  "StandbyTime" "20"
   Option  "SuspendTime" "20"
   Option  "OffTime" "20"
EndSection

and

   Option  "dpms" "yes"

in the Monitor settings. After restarting X, xset still shows that the DPMS 
knobs are off.


"xset force dpms off" turns off the backlight immediately, so x.org 
definitely knows what to do with my hardware, it just doesn't seem to do it 
automatically. This laptop is driven by x.org's radeon driver, the chip is 
RV250.





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Re: can't boot fc9 live CD on Optiplex 755

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Dave Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Dave Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: can't boot fc9 live CD on Optiplex 755
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:45 PM
> I'm trying to boot the old fc9 live CD on a Dell
> Optiplex 755. It gets
> to the point where X is supposed to start and the screen
> goes wonky,
> apparently crashes. I tried various boot options, e.g.
> resolution=640x480 and nomodeset, no help. Can't do
> dmesg since it
> never gets far enough. Ctl alt f1 doesn't give a
> console.
> 
> How can I troubleshoot this? What other boot options should
> I try?

Try acpi=off, noacpi, ..., etc.  There would have to be more in the Fedora 
LiveCD documentation  

> Google doesn't show a lot of hits when I search for
> problems with the
> 755s and fedora, could I just be cursed or something?
> 
> fc8 and previous had problems with SATA drives on this
> model Dell,
> could that be it?
It is a possibility, do other livecd's boot this machine in question, ie., 
Knoppix, Slax, Ubuntu Live, etc?, just to compare.  
> 
> Can I run the live cd in text mode?
Sure you can, I just don't remember from the top of my head, maybe put a "3" at 
the end of the parameters?
> thanks.,
> Dave
> 
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can't boot fc9 live CD on Optiplex 755

[Dave Burns]

I'm trying to boot the old fc9 live CD on a Dell Optiplex 755. It gets
to the point where X is supposed to start and the screen goes wonky,
apparently crashes. I tried various boot options, e.g.
resolution=640x480 and nomodeset, no help. Can't do dmesg since it
never gets far enough. Ctl alt f1 doesn't give a console.

How can I troubleshoot this? What other boot options should I try?
Google doesn't show a lot of hits when I search for problems with the
755s and fedora, could I just be cursed or something?

fc8 and previous had problems with SATA drives on this model Dell,
could that be it?

Can I run the live cd in text mode?
thanks.,
Dave

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Re: Fedora 9: mutt/alpine: problem viewing attachments; xdg?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Michael Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Michael Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Fedora 9: mutt/alpine: problem viewing attachments; xdg?
> To: "Fedora List" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:50 PM
> Greetings.  One of my "customers" is having a
> problem viewing
> attachments with command-line mail clients, alpine and
> mutt, on a system
> running Fedora 9, i386.
> 
> The attachment type of most interest is PDF.  He's been
> getting error
> messages to the effect that the attachment is an
> unrecognized MIME type,
> and that a given attachment could not be found.  (Note that
> the
> different error messages probably arise under different
> conditions,
> after either his own environment or the system environment
> has changed
> slightly.)
> 
> In fact, PDF should be recognized:
> 
> # grep pdf /etc/mime.types
> application/pdf pdf
> 
> # grep pdf /etc/mailcap
> application/pdf; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s
> 
> I've been able to work around the problem by modifying
> /etc/mailcap to
> explicitly invoke a PDF viewer, as:
> 
> # grep pdf /etc/mailcap
> application/pdf; /usr/bin/xpdf %s
> 
> I presume I could also use evince instead of xpdf.
> 
> The xdg-open man page states:
> 
> xdg-open opens a file or URL in the user's
> preferred application.
> If a URL is provided the URL will be opened in the
> user's
> preferred web browser. If a file is provided the file
> will be
> opened in the preferred application for files of that
> type.
> xdg-open supports file, ftp, http and https URLs.
> 
> When I try to use xdg-open, it ALWAYS tries to open a
> browser (firefox),
> apparently because it's always being "fed" a
> URL, even for local files
> (as "file://foo.bar").  I'm not sure about
> this.
> 
> Also I have yet to figure out how to tell xdg-open what my
> "preferred
> application" is.  Where does it get that information?
> 
> If you can shed any light on any of this, please let me
> know.
>From my own experience(s), I can say that xdg-open will open the 
>application(s) that are the default in your desktop.  

For example if you use KDE, and you do a xdg-open file.pdf, the pdf will be 
opened up using okular, 

if you do the same in Gnome, evince is the default and it will open the pdf.  
Similarly for picture file, KDE browser will open gwenview(xdg-open file.jpg?), 
and in Gnome G Thumb Image Viewer or something like it :)

It would depened on your desktop that you use, KDE, GNOME or other like XFCE 
and how you define xdg-open or how it is defined in your PC.  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- Mike
> 
> 
>   
> 
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nx server

[Dave Feustel]

Why is the nx server installed by default on f9?

Thanks.

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Fedora 9: mutt/alpine: problem viewing attachments; xdg?

[Michael Hannon]

Greetings.  One of my "customers" is having a problem viewing
attachments with command-line mail clients, alpine and mutt, on a system
running Fedora 9, i386.

The attachment type of most interest is PDF.  He's been getting error
messages to the effect that the attachment is an unrecognized MIME type,
and that a given attachment could not be found.  (Note that the
different error messages probably arise under different conditions,
after either his own environment or the system environment has changed
slightly.)

In fact, PDF should be recognized:

# grep pdf /etc/mime.types
application/pdf pdf

# grep pdf /etc/mailcap
application/pdf; /usr/bin/xdg-open %s

I've been able to work around the problem by modifying /etc/mailcap to
explicitly invoke a PDF viewer, as:

# grep pdf /etc/mailcap
application/pdf; /usr/bin/xpdf %s

I presume I could also use evince instead of xpdf.

The xdg-open man page states:

xdg-open opens a file or URL in the user's preferred application.
If a URL is provided the URL will be opened in the user's
preferred web browser. If a file is provided the file will be
opened in the preferred application for files of that type.
xdg-open supports file, ftp, http and https URLs.

When I try to use xdg-open, it ALWAYS tries to open a browser (firefox),
apparently because it's always being "fed" a URL, even for local files
(as "file://foo.bar").  I'm not sure about this.

Also I have yet to figure out how to tell xdg-open what my "preferred
application" is.  Where does it get that information?

If you can shed any light on any of this, please let me know.

Thanks.

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xlock freezes i686 machine running F10

[Globe Trotter]

Hi.

I have had a problem with xlock after upgrading to F10. Basically, after a bit, 
xlock freezes the machine, requiring a hard reboot (a la Windoze). Any 
suggestions? Unclear to me what I should be looking at, since this is a hard 
freeze without much being written by way of /var/log/messages, etc.

Many thx,
Trotter


  

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Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting

[Jamie Bohr]

Kevin,

The use of rdesktop does not allow sharing in netmeeting.  RDP and
netmeeting, from what I understand, uses the same port.

- Jamie

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Kevin Kempter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 December 2008 13:39:21 Jamie Bohr wrote:
> > I have searched and searched and have been told remote desktop and
> > netmeeting do not play nice with each other.  I have found this to be
> true
> > but am looking for a way to connect to the MS Windows client (XP Pro) so
> > that I can run netmeeting and share the desktop of the MS Windows client;
> I
> > cannot use VNC.  I am hoping someone on this list can point me to a
> > solution.  I would try FreeNX but there is no MS Windows server
> available.
> >
> > I am using Fedora 9.
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
>
> rdesktop ?
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F10 wireless question

[fred smith]

When using wireless on F10 I haven't yet figured out a couple of useful
things:

1. the very first time I got a wireless connection I stumbled over
an app that shows a bar graph of signal strengths for all the wireless
APs in reception range. I can't figure out where or how I found it,
and I've looked at every network-related item I can find on the menus.
Where is it hiding?

2. This may be the same issue: I can't figure out how to select, on
the fly, which wireless AP I want to connect to. The only way I've found
to switch from one to another (when both are in range) is to edit the
connection settings to disable the one that's currently up and enable
the one I want to switch to, then log off and back on. There must be
a better way.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: How can i call a function which is usually used by root?

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 01:53:56PM +, Paul Black wrote:
> 2008/12/2 Wildemar Wildenburger wrote:
> 
> > And if you absolutely have to use the device files, then you could
> > always change their permissions. Not that that's recommended, just
> > saying.
> 
> 
> Changing permissions is not wise as it allows a user to bypass filesystem
> permissions.
> 
> A possibility is for the OP to read up on setuid and setgid; that offers the
> potential to restrict a user to what a program will allow rather than
> allowing unfettered access to a device (assuming no security holes in the
> application).

I think most programmers tend to make it the user's prerogative to run
the program using 'sudo' or 'su -c' to inherit the proper privileges.
In other words, the permission error you're getting is something
normal users should expect when they try to run against a device to
which they don't have access.  Elevating their privilege automatically
inside a program is generally frowned upon.

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Re: CPU clock is at 100%...

[Mike Chalmers]

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike Chalmers wrote:
>>>
>>> What I am saying is that in KDE System Guard, it says that my CPU
>>> Clock Frequency is at 100% all the time. I do not know if this is
>>> normal behavior or not. Here is a screen shot. Memory is fine, hard
>>> drive is fine I think. Thanks.
>>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
> That just means that not speed control application is telling your CPU to
> run slower than full speed, and that's not a cause of slowdown. I don't
> recall that you said what your CPU is, but if 800MHz is full speed, it may
> not have any speedstep or other features.
>
> I'd look elsewhere. If you run "vmstat 10 20 >stat.vm" and examine the
> output file, you may see some indication of the bottleneck. Of course if
> your computer is old and slow, no tuning will make it otherwise. :-(
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The processor I am using is a Pentium 4 3.0GHZ 800MHZ-FSB HT
processor. I am trying to figure out why the red graph in the CPU area
of K System Guard is so high. Thanks again.

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RE: How can i call a function which is usually used by root?

[Fred Silsbee]

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Fred Silsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Fred Silsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: How can i call  a function which is usually used by root?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:42 PM
> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: How can i call  a function which is
> usually used by root?
> > To: "'Community assistance, encouragement,
> and advice for using Fedora.'"
> 
> > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:04 PM
> > hi...
> > 
> > check out how to handle/setup a superuser group (sudo)
> > which allows a normal
> > user to assume the role/privs of the root/superuser
> for a
> > specifically
> > defined task.
> > 
> > should handle your issue, if i understand what
> you're
> > attempting. there
> > should be examples on the 'net as well..
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wk
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:21 AM
> > To: fedora-list
> > Subject: How can i call a function which is usually
> used by
> > root?
> > 
> > 
> > I want write a c program.And a common user(not in root
> > group) will run this
> > program.
> > In this program,I call fread(/dev/sdc...) and
> > fwrite(/dev/sdc),but this call
> > will return "permission no allow".If I use
> the
> > root user,will be ok.
> > How to change to the authority to root's?
> > 
> > I know the  root's password.
> > 
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 study the following... s bit is what you want:
 
 consider the function passwd...allows the user to alter a
 file owned by root
bash>ls -alF /usr/bin/passwd
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 25740 2008-04-08 08:48 /usr/bin/passwd*

notice the "s"

 
  How does one set the sticky bit and set UID bits with
 chmod?
 
octal digit>  12   3 
  4 
  octal value 
 
 4 set UID r   r
   r 
 
 2 set GID w   w
   w 
 
 1 sticky bit  x   x
   x 
 
 
 
 r   read 
 w   write 
 x   execute 
 s   set UID or set GID 
 t   set sticky bit 
 
 chmod u+st  filename 
 chmod -R does down the tree



  

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F10 installs new packages automatically behind your back

[Andre Robatino]

I just noticed a white popup on the lower right of my screen saying 
something like "Updates have been applied" which is odd since I have the 
default settings which should not allow automatic updates.  Looking in 
/var/log/yum.log I found


Dec 02 19:47:59 Installed: createrepo-0.9.6-3.fc10.noarch
Dec 02 19:47:59 Installed: 1:anaconda-yum-plugins-1.0-3.fc10.noarch
Dec 02 19:48:00 Installed: preupgrade-1.0.0-1.fc10.noarch

Not only did I not specify automatic updates, these are NOT updates - 
they weren't installed before, and nothing depends on them.  After 
noticing this, I uninstalled them without anything else being removed 
with them as dependencies.  A web search shows that this has been seen 
before:


http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=203380

I suspect that a lot of people who search for these 3 packages in 
yum.log would see this.  I only noticed because I was looking at the 
screen at that exact time - but not manually running any package 
install/update utility, or even logged in as root.


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Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting

[Kevin Kempter]

On Tuesday 02 December 2008 13:39:21 Jamie Bohr wrote:
> I have searched and searched and have been told remote desktop and
> netmeeting do not play nice with each other.  I have found this to be true
> but am looking for a way to connect to the MS Windows client (XP Pro) so
> that I can run netmeeting and share the desktop of the MS Windows client; I
> cannot use VNC.  I am hoping someone on this list can point me to a
> solution.  I would try FreeNX but there is no MS Windows server available.
>
> I am using Fedora 9.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

rdesktop ?

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Re: KDE internationalization on a GNOME desktop

[Rex Dieter]

Andre Costa wrote:

> Is there any way to configure Qt apps without having to install KDE? Or
> should I put it directly on xorg.conf?

kde localization preferences are set via systemsettings, in kdebase-workspace.

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Re: Yum error on rpmfusion

[Rick Stevens]

Jim wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:

Jim wrote:

FC10/KDE

I have the rpmfusion repo setup,but I get a yum error message:

Could not retrieve mirrorlist 
http://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/mirrorl...d-10&arch=i386 
 
error was

[Errno 4] IOError: 
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for 
repository: rpmfusion-free-updates. Please verify its path and try again


Does anyone not what know what is going on ??


Can you resolve mirrors.rpmfusion.org:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# host mirrors.rpmfusion.org
mirrors.rpmfusion.org has address 129.143.116.10
mirrors.rpmfusion.org has address 213.129.242.84

If not, then your DNS isn't set up correctly.  Get that fixed and you'll
probably be OK.

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I can Ping those two IPs without any problems so that would rule out DNS 
problems.

Am I right on that ??


Not if you pinged by IP address.  If you pinged by NAME (e.g. "ping
mirrors.rpmfusion.org"), then that would rule out DNS as a name
resolution had to occur.

The "host" command simply does a DNS lookup of the given FQDN (fully
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Re: KDE freezes after switching to text terminal and back to KDE

[Rex Dieter]

Konstantin Svist wrote:

> iarly selbir wrote:
>> I'm having a similar problem, the kde is freezing ( example: when
>> using the akregator ) and i don't got any more reply from keyboard.
>>
>> the only solution is reset the computer :(
>>
> 
> I have the same thing. Using F10 KDE x64 with ATI x800 GT. There's a
> on-mobo nVidia card, but it's disabled as far as I know. Not using
> proprietary blobs of any kind, yet.

It's the ati driver likely.  My box @ home does the same thing.  Wanna race to 
bugzilla? :)

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Re: Firefox Loses DNS in F10 (also: UDP checksum errors for DNS queries)

[Tom Horsley]

> I bet this is why no local DNS cache can help with Google addresses
> since they expire so quickly.

Ah, but I'm running bind (named) as a local cache and added
the -4 option in /etc/sysconfig/named to make it only do
IPv4, and all my problems disappeared. Seems to be the best
work-around for now.

http://www.redhat.com/magazine/025nov06/features/dns/?sc_cid=bcm_edmsept_007

The above link is the redhat magazine article I used to
get going a long time ago with my own local DNS cache.

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Common bug?

[Tom Horsley]

There certainly seems to have been lots of folks encountering:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459756

Should it be included in the common bugs wiki?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common

It seems particularly confusing since it isn't obvious
that it is a DNS problem, you just find things that
don't work, and you're not sure why.

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Re: Firefox Loses DNS in F10 (also: UDP checksum errors for DNS queries)

[Tim]

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 15:33 -0200, Andre Costa wrote:
> I bet this is why no local DNS cache can help with Google addresses
> since they expire so quickly. Weird thing is that, on this short
> monitoring I did (a couple of minutes only), none of the Google sites
> (aside from the main sites such as www.google.com and mail.google.com)
> had a TTL > 5min. Has this always been this way?

I'm not surprised.  Since they maintain a large number of distinct
servers, and want to spread the load around, having different IP results
for DNS look-ups is one simple, and quite effective, way of doing that.

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Re: Problem with D-Link DGE-530T 10/100/1000 Ethernet card.

[Tim]

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 20:23 -0700, Reg Clemens wrote:
> When I plug this card into the motherboard backplane and boot the
> machine I get a 'tick tick tick' noise and never get to the point
> where the Video card writes to the Monitor screen.

Sounds like a broken card, and your system doesn't like it.  I've had a
broken modem card short out a power supply.  It survived okay, it just
auto-shutdown until I removed the fault.

Unless you're electronically inclined, and don't mind trying to see if
you can fix a circuit board fault, I'd take it back to the store.

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Re: firefox

[Tim]

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 15:04 +0100, Nick wrote:
> Running F10 can anyone tell me how to stop firefox switching back to
> offline mode every time it starts

Sounds like the same issue people had with it, and other programs, on
Fedora 9.  Network manager can erroneously report that the system is
off-line, and certain software would drop into off-line mode.

If you don't use network manager, then completely turn off the service.
And it should stop affecting software in that manner.

If you don't want Firefox to be controlled by it, then you can turn that
feature off in Firefox.  Type about:config into the address bar, type
networkmanager into the filter bar, change the
toolkit.networkmanager.disable preference value to true (double clicking
it will toggle its status).

There's probably a similar problem, and solution, for Thunderbird.
Evolution also gets affected by NetworkManager, but I've not looked for
a work around.  I just make sure the network's up before I start the
program.

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Re: SANE can't find device if used through VNC - F9

[Jonathan Underwood]

2008/12/2 Jeff Spaleta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm lost there Jonathan. Where do I start?
> Assuming you are running a gnome desktopthere is authorizations
> dialog in the system->preferences->system  menu.
>
> you should be able to adjust the authorizations for device access...
> including scanners.

In fact... as jeff says system->preferences->system->Authorisations

Then in the left hand pane, scroll down until you see "device-access".
As a sub-item of that entry you'll see "Directly access scanners".
Select that. In the right hand pane you'll see (amongst other things)
"Implicit authorisations" ... click the Edit button. Hopefully it is
self explanatory from then on...

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Re: Fedora 10 - additional repositories

[Robert Moskowitz]

Kevin Kempter wrote:

On Tuesday 02 December 2008 14:26:26 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
  

Kevin Kempter wrote:


Hi All;

I have Fedora 10 installed on my laptop, I've also installed the
rpmfusion repos. Are there any additional repositories I should add ?
  

Please tell me how do find out about this rpmfusion repo(s).

Is there a wiki about 3rd party repos for the different FC incarnations?


http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/yum-config


That's the rpmfusion repos. Got them now, thanks.


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Re: SANE can't find device if used through VNC - F9

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> When I log in as a normal user I can't use the scanner, SANE
> won't find it. If I log in as root, yes, SANE finds the scanner and allows
> me to scan. However, I don't want to give root access to people who
> want to scan.
> 
I wounder if you have a scanner that is not listed in
/etc/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules. If so, the scanner symlink would
not be created, and the console user would not be given permission
to use the device.

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Re: Borked MD RAID...

[Lonni J Friedman]

Are you sure that you don't have a spare designated somewhere?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, so here's what /proc/mdstat says after a clean reboot:
>
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> md0 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
>   1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
>
> md_d0 : inactive sdd[2](S)
>   732574464 blocks
>
> unused devices: 
>
> I basically have to do:
>
>>mdadm --stop /dev/md_d0
>>mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1
>>cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
> md0 : active raid5 sdd1[3] sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
>   1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
>   [>]  recovery =  0.4% (3269252/732571904)
> finish=153.7min speed=79057K/sec
>
> unused devices: 
>
> Furthermore, the first time I saw this, it was /dev/sdb that had dropped.
> Yesterday it was /dev/sdc.  Today it's /dev/sdd.  That's what throws me off
> about this whole thing.
>
> Regards,
> -Eitan-
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Lonni J Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I just recently installed a 3-disk RAID5 array in a server of mine,
>> > running
>> > FC9. Upon reboot, one of the drives drops out, and is allocated as a
>> > spare.
>> > I suspect there is some sort of issue where DBUS re-arranges the
>> > drive-to-device maps between boots, but I am not sure... Just kind of
>> > annoying to have to stop and re-add a drive every boot, and wait the
>> > couple
>> > hours for the array to rebuild the 3rd disk. Any thoughts? Anyone else
>> > encountered such an issue before? What should I be looking for? I'm new
>> > to
>> > the world of RAID, so any information you can give may be helpful.
>>
>> What's in /etc/mdadm.conf, /proc/mdstat and dmesg when this fails ?
>>



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Re: SANE can't find device if used through VNC - F9

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm lost there Jonathan. Where do I start?
Assuming you are running a gnome desktopthere is authorizations
dialog in the system->preferences->system  menu.

you should be able to adjust the authorizations for device access...
including scanners.

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Re: Fedora 10 - additional repositories

[Kevin Kempter]

On Tuesday 02 December 2008 14:26:26 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > Hi All;
> >
> > I have Fedora 10 installed on my laptop, I've also installed the
> > rpmfusion repos. Are there any additional repositories I should add ?
>
> Please tell me how do find out about this rpmfusion repo(s).
>
> Is there a wiki about 3rd party repos for the different FC incarnations?
http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/yum-config

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:40 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not. However, I SUSPECT that there might be more
> people who want KDE-3.5 than Sugar. It's worth exploring.
> It could be just me but I don't think so due to discussions
> that I have seen on other forums. My impression is that
> there is a fairly sizable group of 3.5x users who won't
> change to 4.


Desire to use something does not guarantee people are willing to do
the work to keep it maintained.  People interested in seeing KDE 3.x
as an option will have to be the people who do the work to make it
happen.  Just like the people doing the work to make Sugar available
as an option.  It doesn't really matter what the userbase size is.
This is an opportunity for you and like-minded KDE 3.x users to step
up and contribute the necessary work to get KDE 3.x re-integrated into
Fedora as an additional DE option side-by-side with KDE 4.

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Re: SANE can't find device if used through VNC - F9

[redhatdude]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> Hello,
>> I got a F9 machine that I access through VNC. If I'm at the machine, I can 
> open 
>> SANE and scan without any problems. If I, however, do this remotely through 
> VNC, 
> >>> SANE cannot find my HP scanner. 
>> I tried the same using X11 from a Mac and it didn't work either. However, if 
> I 
> >>> login as root and launch SANE, it works, if finds the scanner and scans.
> >>> Any idea how to solve this issue?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> EJ
> >> Anybody? I'm still searching for an answer on this issue. Still unresolved.
> >> EJ
> >>
> > 
> > No suggestions?
> 
> When going in remotely, are you logging in as root or as a "normal"
> user?  That may have something to do with it.  In the past, some SANE
> backends didn't run if you weren't root.  I thought that was fixed, but
> it's a possibility.
> 
> I have a Canon LIDE at home and it works fine as me or as root.

When I log in as a normal user I can't use the scanner, SANE won't find it. If 
I log in as root, yes, SANE finds the scanner and allows me to scan. However, I 
don't want to give root access to people who want to scan.

> This is probably ConsoleKit/PolicyKit in action. When you log in sat
> at the machine, you're a console user with physical access to the
> machine, and so you get permissions to access the hardware. When
> logging in remotely the permissions don't get set to allow you to
> access connected hardware. I suggest having a read about
> ConsoleKit/PolicyKit and working out what policy you need to change to
> get the permissions you want when logging in via VNC.
> 
> Jonathan.

I'm lost there Jonathan. Where do I start?

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Re: Yum error on rpmfusion

[Kevin Kempter]

On Tuesday 02 December 2008 15:14:24 Jim wrote:
> FC10/KDE
>
> I have the rpmfusion repo setup,but I get a yum error message:
>
> Could not retrieve mirrorlist
> http://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/mirrorl...d-10&arch=i386
> 10&arch=i386> error was
> [Errno 4] IOError: 
> Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository:
> rpmfusion-free-updates. Please verify its path and try again
>
> Does anyone not what know what is going on ??
Re-run the rpm -Uhv commands here: 

http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/yum-config

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RE: firefox

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:42 +0100, Nick wrote:
> Ok that's fine but every time I restart firefox its offline again.
> 
> I meant how to keep it so it's in the online mode when starting

Are you using NetworkManager? If so, is NM actually managing your
interface? If NM is running but not managing the interface, some apps
think they are offline when they aren't. This happens with Evolution and
(I think) with Firefox as well.

Solution: straighten out your NM setup (it's probably enough just to
right-click on the NM applet and mark the interface), or don't use it.

poc

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Re: SANE can't find device if used through VNC - F9

[Jonathan Underwood]

2008/12/1  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hello,
> I got a F9 machine that I access through VNC. If I'm at the machine, I can 
> open
> SANE and scan without any problems. If I, however, do this remotely through 
> VNC,
>> SANE cannot find my HP scanner.
> I tried the same using X11 from a Mac and it didn't work either. However, if I
>> login as root and launch SANE, it works, if finds the scanner and scans.
>> Any idea how to solve this issue?
>> Thanks,
>> EJ
>
> Anybody? I'm still searching for an answer on this issue. Still unresolved.
> EJ


This is probably ConsoleKit/PolicyKit in action. When you log in sat
at the machine, you're a console user with physical access to the
machine, and so you get permissions to access the hardware. When
logging in remotely the permissions don't get set to allow you to
access connected hardware. I suggest having a read about
ConsoleKit/PolicyKit and working out what policy you need to change to
get the permissions you want when logging in via VNC.

Jonathan.

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Re: Nvidia Quadro FX 3700M and Fedora 10

[Ed Greshko]

Kevin Kempter wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 December 2008 05:55:58 Brian Millett wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 00:34 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> 
>>> Section "Device"
>>> Identifier  "Videocard0"
>>> Driver  "vesa"
>>> EndSection
>>>   
>> Don't you want nvidia? like
>>
>> Section "Device"
>>  Identifier  "Card0"
>>  Driver  "nvidia"
>>  VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
>>  BoardName   "G72M [GeForce Go 7400]"
>> EndSection
>> 
>
> I replaced this section :
> Section "Device"
> Identifier  "Videocard0"
> Driver  "vesa"
> EndSection
>
>
> with this:
> Section "Device"
> Identifier  "Videocard0"
> Driver "nvidia"
> VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
> BoardName  "Quadro FX 3700M"
> EndSection
>
>
> and the resolution reverts back to the old resolution where the system 
> reports 
> it as 1920x1200 but it's clearly something more like 1280x800
>
> at this point I'd rather have true 1920x1200 than glx effects if I can't have 
> both. However if anyone has any thoughts I'd appreciate any input on how to 
> get both.
>
> Below are the 2 config files:
>   

Your config files are interesting

But the clues will be in the log files.





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Re: Yum error on rpmfusion

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:29:39 -0500
Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can Ping those two IPs without any problems so that would rule out DNS 
> problems.
> Am I right on that ??

You could be experiencing this problem:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459756

I know "ping" and "nslookup" always seemed to work for me
when other tools randomly failed. If you have NIS turned on
it might be this bug instead:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473073

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Regenerating expired mail.crt?

[Philip Prindeville]

Sorry if this is a FAQ candidate...  I dug a bit and couldn't fit a 
suitable answer...


How do I reconstruct an expired mail.crt file?  As I remember, the cert 
was originally generated automatically by the .spec when I installed 
some package or another, but I can't figure out which it was or I'd just 
peek into the .spec and repeat it again.


Thanks,

-Philip

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Re: Borked MD RAID...

[Eitan Tsur]

Ok, so here's what /proc/mdstat says after a clean reboot:

*Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
md0 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
  1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]

md_d0 : inactive sdd[2](S)
  732574464 blocks

unused devices: 
*
I basically have to do:

>mdadm --stop /dev/md_d0
>mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1
>cat /proc/mdstat*
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
md0 : active raid5 sdd1[3] sdb1[0] sdc1[1]
  1465143808 blocks level 5, 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
  [>]  recovery =  0.4% (3269252/732571904)
finish=153.7min speed=79057K/sec

unused devices: *

Furthermore, the first time I saw this, it was /dev/sdb that had dropped.
Yesterday it was /dev/sdc.  Today it's /dev/sdd.  That's what throws me off
about this whole thing.

Regards,
-Eitan-

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> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Eitan Tsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I just recently installed a 3-disk RAID5 array in a server of mine,
> running
> > FC9. Upon reboot, one of the drives drops out, and is allocated as a
> spare.
> > I suspect there is some sort of issue where DBUS re-arranges the
> > drive-to-device maps between boots, but I am not sure... Just kind of
> > annoying to have to stop and re-add a drive every boot, and wait the
> couple
> > hours for the array to rebuild the 3rd disk. Any thoughts? Anyone else
> > encountered such an issue before? What should I be looking for? I'm new
> to
> > the world of RAID, so any information you can give may be helpful.
>
> What's in /etc/mdadm.conf, /proc/mdstat and dmesg when this fails ?
>
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RE: fedora 9 live firewall

[Eric Penrose]

very clear
many thanks
eric

> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:26:04 -0800
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: fedora 9 live firewall
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> Eric Penrose wrote:
> > I find it confusing that the settings on fedora 9 live for firewall are 
> > such that we tick the options that we trust such as secure http or http.  
> > If firewall is on anyway, what is the implication of setting these internet 
> > options to trust as opposed to leaving firewall on, but without these trust 
> > settings when going on line?
> 
> For a normal users, you don't need to enable anything on the firewall. 
> The default settings for the firewall permit established connections
> (connections where YOU initiated the connection such as a normal web
> browse), so you don't need to enable anything in the firewall.
> 
> The firewall settings GUI are for INCOMING connection requests.  Unless
> you're running a web server and need to allow the outside world to
> initiate connections to your server, you don't need to enable those.
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RE: fedora 9 live firewall

[Eric Penrose]

should help
eric

> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:16:28 -0600
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: fedora 9 live firewall
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: fedora 9 live firewall
> From: Eric Penrose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: 12/02/2008 11:52 AM
> 
> > I find it confusing that the settings on fedora 9 live for firewall are 
> > such that we tick the options that we trust such as secure http or 
> > http.  If firewall is on anyway, what is the implication of setting 
> > these internet options to trust as opposed to leaving firewall on, but 
> > without these trust settings when going on line?
> 
> The options you are ticking are for inbound ports. Please read the 
> dialogues carefully.
> 
> Also, please set your hotmail account to send messages as PLAIN TEXT.
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Re: Yum error on rpmfusion

[Jim]

Rick Stevens wrote:

Jim wrote:

FC10/KDE

I have the rpmfusion repo setup,but I get a yum error message:

Could not retrieve mirrorlist 
http://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/mirrorl...d-10&arch=i386 
 
error was

[Errno 4] IOError: 
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for 
repository: rpmfusion-free-updates. Please verify its path and try again


Does anyone not what know what is going on ??


Can you resolve mirrors.rpmfusion.org:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# host mirrors.rpmfusion.org
mirrors.rpmfusion.org has address 129.143.116.10
mirrors.rpmfusion.org has address 213.129.242.84

If not, then your DNS isn't set up correctly.  Get that fixed and you'll
probably be OK.

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I can Ping those two IPs without any problems so that would rule out DNS 
problems.

Am I right on that ??

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RE: fedora 9 live firewall

[Eric Penrose]

ta
eric

> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:35:36 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: fedora 9 live firewall
> 
> Eric Penrose wrote:
> > I find it confusing that the settings on fedora 9 live for firewall 
> > are such that we tick the options that we trust such as secure http or 
> > http.  If firewall is on anyway, what is the implication of setting 
> > these internet options to trust as opposed to leaving firewall on, but 
> > without these trust settings when going on line?
> The options for service connections to trust do not impact your use of 
> such services elsewhere. They control whether the firewall will permit 
> other machines to connect to those service ports on YOUR box - the one 
> you are setting the firewall options on.  Thus the http option for 
> example is relevant only if you wish to run a web server on the box and 
> make it available to others on the network.
> 
> Examine the file /etc/sysconfig/iptables that is produced by this gui 
> tool, and research 'iptables' if you wish to understand what is going on 
> in greater detail.
> 
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Re: Preupgrade F9->F10 Now No Network Connectivity

[Claude Jones]

On Tuesday 02 December 2008 16:46:52 Curt Stauffer wrote:
> OK, I admit it - I messed up.  At first when I decided to switch to
> DHCP I also switched NM on (it was disabled since I was originally
> using a static address).  When I did this I *think* that I got a valid
> ip and gateway.  I've now switched back to s-c-network but with DHCP -
> rebooted and eth0 won't come up (DHCP failed).
>
> One other data point - I rebooted with Kubuntu Live and no problems
> with network at all.

Open a root console:
run 'setenforce 0'
then 'service network restart'
Post the output of these commands
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Re: Which package for gstreamer?

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 03:18:51PM +, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
> Which rpm provides gstreamer-0.10.pc for Fedora 10?

$ yum provides */gstreamer-0.10.pc

The answer is "gstreamer-devel".

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Re: Trying to install NX

[Jim]

Jonathan Underwood wrote:

2008/12/2 matjazk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

hi jim

this problem is related to nxagent. at startup it looks for font "fixed", which 
is not present in fc10 distro any more. this is the reason why your session is terminated.
to fix that just install fixed font on server side.
you can do that by installing following package:

 xorg-x11-fonts-misc-7.2-6.fc9.noarch.rpm

package can be found at:

 
ftp://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/development/ppc/os/Packages/xorg-x11-fonts-misc-7.2-6.fc9.noarch.rpm
 [1]




That's a missing dependeny for the nx package - please file a bug so
it gets fixed.

  


Johnathon, The xorg-x11-fonts-misc-7.2-6.fc9.noarch.rpm  is in the 
Fedora repo, all I had to do is Yum it.
The NX application is a third party app. and not in the Fedora or 
Rpmfusion repos.


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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Todd Zullinger]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That makes sense until you have a bunch of problems with a new
> installation and need to figure out how to make the edit to log into
> a UI as boot.

You don't *need* to do so¹.  If you think that you do, you really don't
have any business running as root anyway.  If you disagree, then you
should know well how to enable root login so that you may shoot at
your toes.

The default is a good one for the vast majority of users.  If you feel
that you are not in that group, then adjust things as needed.

¹ I cannot think of once in a decade that I've needed to login to a
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Re: Yum error on rpmfusion

[Rick Stevens]

Jim wrote:

FC10/KDE

I have the rpmfusion repo setup,but I get a yum error message:

Could not retrieve mirrorlist 
http://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/mirrorl...d-10&arch=i386 
 
error was

[Errno 4] IOError: 
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: 
rpmfusion-free-updates. Please verify its path and try again


Does anyone not what know what is going on ??


Can you resolve mirrors.rpmfusion.org:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# host mirrors.rpmfusion.org
mirrors.rpmfusion.org has address 129.143.116.10
mirrors.rpmfusion.org has address 213.129.242.84

If not, then your DNS isn't set up correctly.  Get that fixed and you'll
probably be OK.

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Re: Fedora 10 - additional repositories

[Robert Moskowitz]

Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:

Em Ter 02 Dez 2008, Robert Moskowitz escreveu:
  

Kevin Kempter wrote:


Hi All;

I have Fedora 10 installed on my laptop, I've also installed the
rpmfusion repos. Are there any additional repositories I should add
?
  

Please tell me how do find out about this rpmfusion repo(s).



This is the most important 3rd party repo that I know of for Fedora.
See http://rpmfusion.org/
  


thanks. I just added both the free and non-free repos.

You will still need Livna if you want to play DVDs, because a package 
which is required for that was not migrated to rpmfusion.
So, the easiest way to get both correctly configured is going to 
rpm.livna.org and installing their configuration RPM, which in turn will 
install the rpmfusion repo the first time you run yum update.


My OQOs do not have any optical drive media. So that will not be at 
issue



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Yum error on rpmfusion

[Jim]

FC10/KDE

I have the rpmfusion repo setup,but I get a yum error message:

Could not retrieve mirrorlist 
http://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/mirrorl...d-10&arch=i386 
 
error was

[Errno 4] IOError: 
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: 
rpmfusion-free-updates. Please verify its path and try again


Does anyone not what know what is going on ??

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RE: firefox

[Nick]

This is a new clean install of f10
All I did after the install was yum update and let it do everything it
wanted

Im still getting f10 running so got no other mail other than hotmail a the
moment
there is no prior linux  im beginning in linux

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Nick wrote:
> Ok that's fine but every time I restart firefox its offline again.
> 
> I meant how to keep it so it's in the online mode when starting

ok. lets verify/clarify a few things first.

list is a linux support list. you are using ms hotmail.com for you email.
you say you are running f10.

have you searched mozilla.org for solution?

what linux where you using prior to f10? what desktop then and now?

did you import ~/.mozilla path from prior? if so, as root user?

have you verified 'rwx' and ownership?




peace out.

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Re: SANE can't find device if used through VNC - F9

[Rick Stevens]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
I got a F9 machine that I access through VNC. If I'm at the machine, I can open 
SANE and scan without any problems. If I, however, do this remotely through VNC, 
SANE cannot find my HP scanner. 
I tried the same using X11 from a Mac and it didn't work either. However, if I 

login as root and launch SANE, it works, if finds the scanner and scans.
Any idea how to solve this issue?
Thanks,
EJ

Anybody? I'm still searching for an answer on this issue. Still unresolved.
EJ



No suggestions?


When going in remotely, are you logging in as root or as a "normal"
user?  That may have something to do with it.  In the past, some SANE
backends didn't run if you weren't root.  I thought that was fixed, but
it's a possibility.

I have a Canon LIDE at home and it works fine as me or as root.
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Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ?

[Mike Cloaked]

Armin Moradi wrote:
> 
> 
> Do you guys have any idea on how I can access the email??
> (@fedoraproject.org)
> 
> 

It is a forwarding only email address - it will forward to the email defined
in your FAS account only. If you want to send mail as if from that address
then you can add a From: address to your mail client in some cases such as
kmail, thunderbird or gmail. You can't access mail directly to a
@fedoraproject.org address as mail is not stored as far as I know, but just
forwarded.

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Re: Revisor

[Phil Meyer]

Martin Schiøtz wrote:

Hi

Does somebody know what's going with the revisor project?

The mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not seem to work.
When I try to post to the list i get an error message from the list
server. All posts on the revisor-users and revisor-devel stopped at
the 14th of october?

I have been trying to build CentOS and Fedora on Fedora 9 and 10 with
revisor for some time now with no succes at all. I have been trying
different versions of revisor and different kinds builds (with CentOS
and Fedora) on both Fedora 9 and 10. The result is alway some kind of
error doing the beginning of the install process of the builded CD or
DVD images.
Has anybody have any succes building images with revisor lately?

Best regards,
Martin

  

Same issues here:

Fortunately, the livecdtools are up to date, and the kickstarts are in 
their own package now (spin-kickstarts).


I was able to customize a released kickstart file to my old 
specifications and ended up with a customized live DVD that is 
installable and installs my customizations as well.


Cool stuff, and kudos to the team for keeping up.

here is how I used it:

sudo livecd-creator --cache=/src/yum-cache --config=dev-10-x86_64 
--fslabel=Fedora_Developer


where dev-10-x86_64 is my highly customized kickstart.

by using a specific cache directory I didn't have to re-download all 
1800 packages every time I tested changes to the kickstart scripts -- 
and it took me a few times! :)


Good luck!

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F8 (and FX?]: Sendmail, Spamassassin, and Spamass-Milter issues.

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Folks,

I have updated my F8 system and my spamassassin/spamass-milter
have crapped out.  Here is what I found, with no resolution:

1) Entries in: /etc/mail/sendmail.mc
=
INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`clamav-milter', 
`S=local:/var/run/clamav-milter/clamav.sock, F=,T=S:4m;R:4m')dnl
INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`spamassassin', 
`S=local:/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock, 
F=,T=C:15m;S:4m;R:4m;E:10m')dnl

define(`confINPUT_MAIL_FILTERS', `spamassassin,clamav-milter')dnl
=

2) Entries in: /etc/sysconfig/spamass-milter
=
No changes needed because the default spamass-milter socket is:
   /var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock
and no options needed either.
=

3) With sendmail stopped, maillog cleared, and when spamass-milter starts:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]# service spamass-milter start
Starting SpamAssassin milter (spamass-milter): [  OK  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]#  tail -f /var/log/maillog:
=
Dec  2 12:10:24 linux sendmail[10575]: mB2KAOt9010575: from=sa-milt, 
size=195, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dec  2 12:10:24 linux sendmail[10575]: mB2KAOt9010575: to=root, 
ctladdr=sa-milt (487/478), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, 
mailer=relay, pri=30195, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, 
stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]
Dec  2 12:10:34 linux sendmail[10583]: mB2KAYI8010583: from=sa-milt, 
size=195, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

=
So, everything appears to be normal, right?  Oh wait!
=
Notice this:
=
# ls -l /var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock
ls: cannot access /var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock: No such 
file or directory


YOU CANNOT START SPAMASS_MILTER IF THERE IS NO PREVIOUS
SOCKET INSTALLED NOR WILL IT INSTALL ONE!  DANG!! THE SERVICE
DOES NOT CHECK TO MAKE SURE A SOCKET EXISTS AND SPEW NO
ERROR IF THERE IS NO SOCKET?

If you attempt to start sendmail, IT WILL FAIL. IT WILL REFUSE TO START.

Seems I might have a way out, let's see.  Lets see if we can MANUALLY
start it:
# /usr/sbin/spamass-milter -p 
'/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock' -f

 and of course the log information
in maillog simply says 'connection refused' since sendmail is not running.
But wait: is spamass-milter running?  really??
# pgrep spamass-milter
14339
14814
Oh gawd - two of 'em running!?!?  Nope, won't do.  Kill them with:
# service spamass-milter stop
[Displays stop results]
# pgrep spamass-milter
[nothing displayed, great]
# /usr/sbin/spamass-milter -p 
'/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock' -f

[nothing displayed, great]
# pgrep spamass-milter
14973
Geez.  Finally - I have ONE spamass-milter running.

4) Starting sendmail:
=
[EMAIL PROTECTED] spamass-milter]# service sendmail start
Starting sendmail: 451 4.0.0 /etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 1714: 
Xspamassassin: local socket name 
/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock unsafe: Permission denied

[FAILED]

Starting sm-client:[  OK  ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] spamass-milter]#
===

Say what?  Permissions problem!?  Let's see:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] spamass-milter]# ls -lZ 
/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock
srwxr-xr-x  root root unconfined_u:object_r:var_run_t:s0 
/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock


Oh man.  Seems that starting the spamass-milter improperly creates the 
sockets with
the wrong security context and assigns root ownership?  Perhaps things 
are different

were it started as a service? Dunno, but moving on...

Ok, well, let's see if we can fix the security context:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] spamass-milter]# restorecon -v 
'/var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock'
restorecon reset /var/run/spamass-milter/spamass-milter.sock context 
unconfined_u:object_r:var_run_t:s0->system_u:object_r:spamd_var_run_t:s0


Interesting.  Why did running spamass-milter create and unconfined_u and
var_run_t security context for it's socket?

Let's check the directory holding this socket:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dant]# ls -lZd /var/run/spamass-milter/
drwxr-xr-x  sa-milt sa-milt system_u:object_r:var_run_t:s0   
/var/run/spamass-milter/


Looks good to me. I did this so that I'd have a reference for later on
when the sendmail and it's milters start running...

Ok, let see if we can get sendmail started once again:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] spamass-milter]# service sendmail start
Starting sendmail: [  OK  ]

Yeah. that seemed to work... so let see what the maillogs
and message logs

Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting

[Eric Webster]

I'm sorry, I misread your message. I was thinking you had given up on
Netmeeting and just wanted to use Remote Desktop and were asking how to do
that. FWIW, I did have better performance with tsclient/rdesktop after
specifying RDPv5 rather than just RDP as the protocol.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Eric Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yum install tsclient
>
> That should install rdesktop with it, and tsclient is just a GUI for that.
> I use it all the time.
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Jamie Bohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have searched and searched and have been told remote desktop and
>> netmeeting do not play nice with each other.  I have found this to be true
>> but am looking for a way to connect to the MS Windows client (XP Pro) so
>> that I can run netmeeting and share the desktop of the MS Windows client; I
>> cannot use VNC.  I am hoping someone on this list can point me to a
>> solution.  I would try FreeNX but there is no MS Windows server available.
>>
>> I am using Fedora 9.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
>>
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Re: FC10 - What has replaced /etc/sysconfig/hwconf

[Rick Stevens]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I am coming from Centos 5.2 (got over a dozen systems here running 
it). This is my first Fedora Core install and I went right for Fedora 
Core 10, as I need the 2.6.27 kernel.


So I am looking for the /etc/sysconfig/hwconf file that lists all the 
installed hardware, particularly things like the video card. There 
does not seem to be any hwconf file anywhere on the system. So what 
do I look for


/etc/sysconfig/hwconf is created and maintained by "kudzu". By default,
kudzu isn't installed in F9 or F10. You can "yum install kudzu" to
install it, then "kudzu -q" to build your file.


Ah, no kudzu. I am so use to it always being there. Why would I not want 
it? That is to leave it alone with no kudzu...


Theoretically, everything "just works" under F10's hal (tongue firmly in
cheek).  You sure can install it if you want.


Under F9/F10, I prefer to use "smoltSendProfile -p" to get a printout
of the hardware. Redirect its output to a file for a permanent record.
YMMV, of course. 


Wow that is a lot of information


Uh, huh.

Interestingly it shows the bogomips to be 2992 on this OQO mod 2, 
whereas /proc/cpuinfo reports it as 800. The processor is a VIA C7-M 
Processor 1500MHz, so I am more apt to believe the 800 value.


Fedora (at least back to F8) does on-demand CPU throttling.  The value 
from /proc/cpuinfo is likely the "idle" speed (since you probably

weren't doing much), whereas smolt's value will be the "revved up"
speed (smolt does ping the hardware).

Example: On my "idle" Opteron 1210, /proc/cpuinfo shows:

bogomips: 2010.37

And smoltSendProfile shows:

BogoMIPS: 3618.68

Of course, if I do something silly like:

find / -print

in one window and look at /proc/cpuinfo in another:

bogomips: 3618.68

Voila!
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Does "How to create and use Live USB" work with F10?

[Arthur Pemberton]

I tried it using the Windows tool on the F10 KDE image. drive mounts
ok, files are visible.

But on boot, I just get the message "boot error"

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Re: firefox flash sound again?

[Phil Meyer]

Tom Horsley wrote:

On 64 bit fedora 10, I do not get sound with the
nspluginwrapper and 32 bit flash plugin.

Is this just a case of not having all the 32 bit
alsa libs installed?

Anyone know which subset of *alsa*.i386 packages
I need? (assuming missing libs are really my problem).

  


The beta 64bit flash plugin works like a charm of F10 without 
nspluginwrapper or libflashsupport (which is not included in F10).


http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

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Re: gnome panel analog clock?

[Steven Stern]

Frank Cox wrote:
> A while back I was looking for an analog clock to put on my desktop and some
> folks here recommended gdesklets, which offers a lovely analog clock with a
> variety of faces and hands (even a pocket watch).  I like it a lot.
> 
> However, now I'm wondering if there is an equivalent clock for the gnome
> panel.  The standard digital clock display in the panel looks so boring
> compared to the swank analog clock on the wall(paper)
> 

I'm using Google Gadegets

http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/

I installed the binary package and it "just works" (more or less).

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gnome panel analog clock?

[Frank Cox]

A while back I was looking for an analog clock to put on my desktop and some
folks here recommended gdesklets, which offers a lovely analog clock with a
variety of faces and hands (even a pocket watch).  I like it a lot.

However, now I'm wondering if there is an equivalent clock for the gnome
panel.  The standard digital clock display in the panel looks so boring
compared to the swank analog clock on the wall(paper)

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Re: firefox

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Nick wrote:
> Ok that's fine but every time I restart firefox its offline again.
> 
> I meant how to keep it so it's in the online mode when starting

ok. lets verify/clarify a few things first.

list is a linux support list. you are using ms hotmail.com for you email.
you say you are running f10.

have you searched mozilla.org for solution?

what linux where you using prior to f10? what desktop then and now?

did you import ~/.mozilla path from prior? if so, as root user?

have you verified 'rwx' and ownership?




peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:40:55 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not. However, I SUSPECT that there might be more
> people who want KDE-3.5 than Sugar.

And How! I ran sugar once to see what it was like
and concluded that the entire 3rd world would be justified
in invading North America and Europe to put a stop
to the foisting of such nonsense upon them :-).

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Seann Clark]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:21:07 -0600
"Arthur Pemberton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

At the risk of being a complete apostate, I have ALWAYS


disabled SELinux. Please, no gratuitous lectures. I also
absolutely loathe the rhgb. IMHO, these should all be
install options, enabled by default with an "expert
only" or similar warning.
  

Re: SELInux? Why do you do so?



Because it serves no purpose - for me. 
  
That is understandable. But it seems enough people have a purpose for 
it, and that is why it is set up the way it is currently. Additional 
tuning options would be nice for install, but since I know how to do it 
myself after it is installed, I am fine with it. And I am not installing 
enough systems to merit a change, otherwise I would use something like 
Puppet Master and Cobbler to manage those setting in bulk.


Though, rhgb is.. well nice, makes it feel less complex to the new user, 
I like the old style boot better myself. That is an easy thing to 
change, and takes 30 seconds to remove and it tends to stay removed even 
after updates, so 30 seconds right off the bat after one 'pretty' boot 
isn't that bad. That and I also use runlevel 3 on all my linux systems 
because I don't have a real need for a GUI, and if I do need one, it is 
easier to be web based than console based for me.

This is possibly a business decision because of the
amount of time devoted to Bugzilla by Redhat employees.
  

How is bugzilla related to this?



Because Bugzilla causes a considerable consumption of time
by people on RH's payroll. Some of these issues reduce user
errors that get reported as bugs incorrectly.
  
Unless you paid for the access to Bugzilla (I never have, it is free as 
far as I can see) then payroll has no roll in this. Redhat has a 
slightly different way of support that is paid for, not a free any one 
can access this type of system. Bugzilla has no relation to this, in the 
manner that the thread is stating.



That is like saying because I help out with MySQL, or help out with 
Fedora, I am on Redhats, or the MySQL payroll for the help. It seems 
just to be confused on what the support pay is going to.


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Re: Preupgrade F9->F10 Now No Network Connectivity

[Curt Stauffer]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Claude Jones
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 December 2008 14:15:18 Curt Stauffer wrote:
>> Switching to DHCP made no difference, although I did notice that the
>> DHCP negotiaton must have happened because I saw reasonable-looking IP
>> numbers for the workstation and gateway.
>>
>> I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here, can someone
>> give me some suggestions of things to try or things to look for?
>> Could firewall be a problem?
>
> Can you ping your gateway?
> What have you actually tried to determine you have no network connectivity?
> If you got a legitimate address from DHCP, it certainly looks like you're
> connected -- unless you've installed some firewall package such as Fwbuilder
> that can impose restrictions on outbound traffic depending how you set it up,
> yours is not likely to be a firewall problem - the fact that you got a
> legitimate address from DHCP sort of kills the firewall theory.
> Run the following:
> ping 206.190.60.37
> What do you get?

OK, I admit it - I messed up.  At first when I decided to switch to
DHCP I also switched NM on (it was disabled since I was originally
using a static address).  When I did this I *think* that I got a valid
ip and gateway.  I've now switched back to s-c-network but with DHCP -
rebooted and eth0 won't come up (DHCP failed).

One other data point - I rebooted with Kubuntu Live and no problems
with network at all.

-Curt

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Re: Fedora 10 - additional repositories

[Marcelo Magno T. Sales]

Em Ter 02 Dez 2008, Robert Moskowitz escreveu:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > Hi All;
> >
> > I have Fedora 10 installed on my laptop, I've also installed the
> > rpmfusion repos. Are there any additional repositories I should add
> > ?
>
> Please tell me how do find out about this rpmfusion repo(s).

This is the most important 3rd party repo that I know of for Fedora.
See http://rpmfusion.org/
You will still need Livna if you want to play DVDs, because a package 
which is required for that was not migrated to rpmfusion.
So, the easiest way to get both correctly configured is going to 
rpm.livna.org and installing their configuration RPM, which in turn will 
install the rpmfusion repo the first time you run yum update.

[]'s
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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:31:23 -0500
Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sought? Yes. Recieved? No :-).
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562

There is also this:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553250

The consistent arrogance displayed by gnome developers
that they know best and everyone else in the world is
an idiot leads me to wonder if it really would be worth
the effort to to create a branch of the gnome project
(maybe called "sane gnome") and see how long it takes
to become infinitely more popular.

The classic gnome bugzilla is:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136541

They should really call it "Custer" not "Gnome"
(sorry, you'll have to watch the old movie Little Big
Man to get that obscure refeence :-).

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Re: wine on fedora 8 X86_64, can't installed

[James Wilkinson]

L wrote:
> when install wine on fedora 9 X86_64, always got the following errors?
> 
> Any one has luck on this?
> 
> Y
> 
> Transaction Check Error:
>   file /usr/share/man/man5/ldap.conf.5.gz from install of
> openldap-2.4.10-2.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package
> openldap-2.4.8-3.fc9.x86_64

Wine will pull in the i386 (32 bit) version of any packages it needs
(unless they’re already installed). The 32 bit version of openldap is
newer than the 64 bit one that is already on your machine.

I have a copy of openldap-2.4.10-2.fc9.x86_64.rpm (the newer version of
the 64 bit version) in yum cache, from the updates-testing-newkey
directory. It is about a month old. So you probably haven’t done a
system update in at least that length of time.

Ideally, do a full yum update, then try again. If you have bandwidth
issues, then at least do a
yum update openldap libselinux alsa-lib libxslt

(There are similar problems with the other packages.)

Hope this helps,

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Re: F10 hard lock issue [SOLVED, KINDA]

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:38 PM, gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 2:31 PM, gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Richard Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 10:48 PM, gary artim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Richard Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just upgraded my wife's laptop to F10 from F9 using preupgrade.
>>> other than not having enough free space (had to make some) the install
>>> went perfectly. Now I'm having a lockup issue.
>>>
>>> When it first starts everything hard locks. Then I hear the DvD head
>>> moving, some time later I can turn the caps lock on and off but there
>>> is a significant delay. Also, the mouse cursor works but nothing else
>>> does. I can't do Ctl-Alt-Backspace or get to any of the virtual
>>> terminals. Scanning through /var/log/messages I don't see anything
>>> useful. Any ideas on where to start? This thing was rock solid under
>>> F9.
>>>
>>> Compaq laptop Turion 64 1.8GHz w/ Radeon 200M chipset. 1GB system ram.
>>> Broadcom wireless using native driver.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard
>>>
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>> you could try adding to the grub boot screen a trailing 3 to boot without
>> a graphics interface...then login as root and type 'yum update'.
>> That's if you can
>> get this far... -- Gary
>
> Actually I did end up trying something like that, so it is now fully
> updated...
>
> Here's a few conditions I've discovered:
>
> When I log in it seems I have 10-25 minutes before it locks.
> If I don't log (leave at login screen) in it does not lock up, but it
> locks up almost immediately when I do log in.
> It's seems to only be a GUI lock. I can SSH into the machine, however
> top doesn't show any process using 100% cpu.
>
> Any and all ideas are appreceated. This is actually the wife's laptop
> which I recently converted to linux. She was a happy F9 user but when
> my preupgrade upgrade went so well on my laptop I decided to upgrade
> her's as well. Needless to say she's less than thrilled right now.
>
 You must be a newlywed to mess with your wife's *anything* until/unless you
 are asked to do so. My wife is still on FC7, and she is happy with it. She
 is behind two levels of firewall, and her (seamonkey) browser is fully
 updated, and mail goes through my corporate filters, not some ISP.

 You might diddle the graphics settings on the boot line, video= and/or
 xdriver= may help. Post video hardware and dmesg details here, hopefully
 someone can offer useful hints.

 Good luck!

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>>>
>>> Well so far today it has been working. BTW, is there a command line
>>> way to get network manager to connect to wireless? I went to console
>>> on boot up and was trying to get a connection without logging in (so
>>> it wouldn't lock up) but couldn't find a way. I ending up logging in
>>> and immediately going to a virtual terminal.
>>>
>>> It's a Radeon 200M video chipset, Plymouth looks great BTW. I was
>>> thinking of disabling selinux since I was getting AVC errors in the
>>> system tray, something about updatedb trying to access .gconf2. I did
>>> the restorecon -v thing it suggested but don't know if it's related to
>>> the lockup issue.
>>>
>>> Actually it just locked up when I was typing this message. Gmail saved
>>> the draft and I'm finishing it from my laptop. Something interesting
>>> to note. I used to fix most issues like this by doing a gdm-restart.
>>> Now under F10 I'm getting "Operation not supported". I did a
>>> gdm-safe-restart and then the lapop locked up fully (I lost my ssh
>>> session and couldn't log back in.). The requested dmesg output to
>>> follow. I've got it saved to a text file but have to get it off her
>>> computer or post it before it locks up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard
>>>
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>>
>> I had problems with a fglrx (radeon) driver and have an open ticket
>> which never went far.  I went so far as to get a serial cable and
>> captured the logs from an alternate system - i forget the exact
>> message but it pointed to the driver. I then switch X drivers from
>> fglrx to radeon and no freezes. maybe boot to runle

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[homburg]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:14:59 -0600
"Arthur Pemberton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> How is Sugar related to KDE though?

It's not. However, I SUSPECT that there might be more
people who want KDE-3.5 than Sugar. It's worth exploring.
It could be just me but I don't think so due to discussions
that I have seen on other forums. My impression is that
there is a fairly sizable group of 3.5x users who won't
change to 4. 
> 
> > Again, I am not knocking KDE4. However, it is a radical
> > departure from something that I have been using since
> > RH-9, possibly earlier.
> 
> KDE 3.5 was fairly different than what was in RH-9 if I
> remember correctly.

Not really IIRC. Moreover, this is the first KDE release
since then without an upgrade path. New releases have added
features and horsepower but have been consistent in
approach.
> 
> 
> This is an attempt to protect the innocent and
> uninformed. The very people who shouldn't be logging in
> as root. Those who have enough information to make the
> decision for themselves generally can make the switch
> themselves as well.
> 
That makes sense until you have a bunch of problems with a
new installation and need to figure out how to make the
edit to log into a UI as boot. It's not up to Fedora to
protect me from my own stupidity - that would be a losing
proposition from the outset ;-)

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Re: F11 Naming: Sulphur -> Cambridge -> ?

[Armin Moradi]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Armin Moradi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks for the quick reply.  I thought, after reading the FAS stuff, that
>> FAS was really only for developers that were adding value to Fedora thru
>> software/coding additions/updates.
>
> Actually I thought that too.  I thought fedora account and
> @fedoraproject.org emails were only for developers.
> I'm really happy I'm wrong though :D
>
> --
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>
> Past is history,
> Tomorrow is a mystery,
> But today is a gift.
> That's why it's called, present.
>

Do you guys have any idea on how I can access the email?? (@fedoraproject.org)

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Re: Fedora 10 - additional repositories

[Robert Moskowitz]

Kevin Kempter wrote:

Hi All;

I have Fedora 10 installed on my laptop, I've also installed the rpmfusion 
repos. Are there any additional repositories I should add ?


Please tell me how do find out about this rpmfusion repo(s).

Is there a wiki about 3rd party repos for the different FC incarnations?


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Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting

[Eric Webster]

yum install tsclient

That should install rdesktop with it, and tsclient is just a GUI for that. I
use it all the time.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Jamie Bohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have searched and searched and have been told remote desktop and
> netmeeting do not play nice with each other.  I have found this to be true
> but am looking for a way to connect to the MS Windows client (XP Pro) so
> that I can run netmeeting and share the desktop of the MS Windows client; I
> cannot use VNC.  I am hoping someone on this list can point me to a
> solution.  I would try FreeNX but there is no MS Windows server available.
>
> I am using Fedora 9.
>
> Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
>
>
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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[homburg]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:21:07 -0600
"Arthur Pemberton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At the risk of being a complete apostate, I have ALWAYS
> > disabled SELinux. Please, no gratuitous lectures. I also
> > absolutely loathe the rhgb. IMHO, these should all be
> > install options, enabled by default with an "expert
> > only" or similar warning.
> 
> Re: SELInux? Why do you do so?

Because it serves no purpose - for me. 
> 
> > This is possibly a business decision because of the
> > amount of time devoted to Bugzilla by Redhat employees.
> 
> How is bugzilla related to this?
> 
Because Bugzilla causes a considerable consumption of time
by people on RH's payroll. Some of these issues reduce user
errors that get reported as bugs incorrectly.

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Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

[Tom Horsley]

> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Of more concern is stuff like gdm having (apparently) hard coded
> > options for starting the X server that always add -nolisten tcp.
...
> Have you sought and received any feedback of this issue?

Sought? Yes. Recieved? No :-).

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562

Actually, I did get a good work around for not being able to
specify -dpi to the X server, but no info at all on how to
turn off -nolisten tcp (or the other request someone added
to the bug: how to turn on backing store).

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