updates from 2008-12-10 are still missing
A new batch of update emails is now being sent, and the associated updates are actually there, which is nice. But the updates associated with yesterday's emails, including the packagekit-related packages that fix the broken dependencies, and the new glibc workaround to the DNS bug, are still missing. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Pulseaudio log messages - workaround?
I have been getting a load of messages in my /var/log/messages file running f10 concerning pulseaudio. These correspond exactly to the reports at http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/420 Does anyone have a workaround until the issue is fixed upstream? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Pulseaudio-log-messages---workaround--tp20951839p20951839.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: infrastructure modest proposal
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:33:49 -0800 Gordon Messmer wrote: > Isn't that sort of the intent of the "testing" repo? I dunno :-). Maybe we don't need another layer, maybe we just need the simple check for obvious dependency problems in "testing", but I think maybe the the associated packages might be in "testing" already, yet they weren't marked to go to "updates" at the same time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Experience with x86_64-only (no i386) in F10?
2008/12/10 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Niels Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2008/12/9 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Niels Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2008/12/9 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Niels Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> All 32bit binary programs you want to run will not work. > > I think you mean "not all 32-bit programs you want to run will work". All dynamically linked 32bit programs will not work. Is that better? >>> >>> That depends on what you mean. You're saying that no >>> dynamically-linked 32-bit program will work. If you mean that some >>> will and some won't, then that's not what you're saying. >> >> I'm talking of those you don't get the source for obviously. >> >> If I'm wrong in that, please explain how such a program would work. > > By linking to 32-bit libraries? Multilib support is precisely for this > situation, as far as I'm aware. > > I've never had a 32-bit app fail to run on my 64-bit system, e.g. > 32-bit Firefox works fine (though I now use the 64-bit version). I'm aware of Multilib and I've been running a 64bit install for years now and using it to run 32bit binaries. The original poster was asking for a 64bit only system though. If it is 64bit only, it will obviously not have 32bit libs. Niels -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Error with updates addressing PackageKit issues
2008/12/10 Doctor Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Daniele Orlando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I had the same issue. >> >> You have to update, from the updates-testing repo, these packages: >> PackageKit* >> >> I recommend these too: >> yum-3.2.20-5.fc10.noarch >> PolicyKit-0.9-4.fc10.i386 >> > > I assume if these are in 'updates-testing' they will (hopefully) soon > trickle down to 'updates'? Yes, you just need to have a little patience. Niels -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Evolution with mapi plugin?
Will we see a version of evolution with the new mapi provider plugin that's being developed show up in the F10 or rawhide repos? I think you need 2.25.x for this. Just something I'm interested in having a closer look at, but don't have the time right now to go through re-compiling Evolution from source on my work laptop for it. Cheers, Chris -- == "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
linux guy wrote: > While you are at it, you could throw on firefox and nvidia-settings so > that people could access gmail and set their display up to its normal > resolution. You can access gmail through IMAP using KMail. As for NVidia, there's no support for proprietary drivers on the live CD, and there can't be support for those drivers on *any* live CD using packages from Fedora and/or RPM Fusion before the new RPM Fusion driver setup work is complete. (Right now, you can only install one driver at a time, i.e. no multiple versions of nvidia nor coexisting nvidia and fglrx, and installing the driver also breaks systems without the hardware using that driver.) And even when it will possible, I doubt Rex will include stuff from RPM Fusion on a CD which is supposed to be testing for what will be in Fedora - it's clear that proprietary drivers will *never* be in Fedora! Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kernel-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686 does not boot
Hm. my laptop gives: could not start boot splash: No such file or directory. I do have LVM running, but I don't think I did anything special there: This is /etc/fstab tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs defaults0 0 devpts /dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 sysfs /syssysfs defaults0 0 proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/dm-1 / ext3defaults1 1 #Entry for /dev/sda2 : UUID=4995730b-4622-40f9-a716-f4e708641307 /boot ext3defaults 1 2 #Entry for /dev/sda1 : UUID=F43842EF3842B102 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,nosuid,nodev,locale=en_GB.utf8 0 0 /dev/dm-2 swapswapdefaults0 0 I can still boot the old kernel. Any ideas anyone? BTW, if I disable RGB the boot goes further, but suddenly blanks the screen and stops. Thanks, Bill -- Scanned by iCritical. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
linux guy wrote: > livecd-iso-to-disk looks like it will take the iso on the cd and put it to > my usb device. Which is OK. Is there a way that it will include the > downloads and stuff that I have performed thus far so that I don't have to > redo them again when I reboot ? Unfortunately, I don't think it will include those. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
desktop effects on intel onboard graphics card
Hi, I am not being able to use desktop effects with an Intel onboard graphics card (DG45ID). It turns my desktop upside down and reverses the menu texts. It is impossible to click any menu option this way. This happens either in gnome or kde, and I have no xorg.conf. Is this a known issue, or am I missing something? Thanks. -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Linuxguy123 wrote: > 3) Ksynaptics wasn't installed. I didn't get around to installing it. > My touchpad was frustrating during the session. I think ksynaptics is a > MUST HAVE for KDE4.2, lest there be a mutiny on the fedora-users list. KSynaptics has absolutely nothing to do with KDE 4.2, it is still KDE-3-based. It is also maintained by different people (Orion Poplawski is the maintainer.) Moreover, it currently doesn't work at all in F10 (as discussed in the other thread) so it wouldn't make much sense to include it on the live CD. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: desktop effects on intel onboard graphics card
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: > This happens either in gnome or kde, and I have no xorg.conf. In KDE, are you using the setting in systemsettings (which turns on desktop effects in KWin) or Compiz? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: desktop effects on intel onboard graphics card
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kevin Kofler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: > > This happens either in gnome or kde, and I have no xorg.conf. > > In KDE, are you using the setting in systemsettings (which turns on desktop > effects in KWin) or Compiz? > >Kevin Kofler > > systemsettings. -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Annoying sudo change?
Is there some way to make sudo pay attention to my $PATH (or even root's $PATH)? I have a program named "mountie" in /usr/local/bin I have /usr/local/bin in my $PATH. If I login as root, I also see /usr/local/bin in root's $PATH, yet the command: sudo mountie fails, while the command: sudo /usr/local/bin/mountie works. Before going to fedora 10, plan old "sudo mountie" worked fine. How can I get the old behavior back so I don't have to individually stumble across the 47,329 places I may have sudo embedded in various scripts? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rpm problem, now mplayer/gpm is busted :-(
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:28:30 -0500 (EST), Steven wrote: > =>> 529 > mplayer Happy_Penguin.wmv > =>> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open > =>> shared object file: No such file or directory > 576 > ls -l /usr/bin/mplayer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8353364 Nov 24 19:57 /usr/bin/mplayer > 577 > rpm -V mplayer > 578 > mplayer | head -5 > mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > > > Does this help? Possibly. It tells me that your mplayer package verifies fine, which means that the executables has not been tampered with. Examining the executable I see that it depends on libgpm.so.2 via libaa.so.1: $ ldd /usr/lib/libaa.so.1|grep gpm libgpm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgpm.so.2 (0x00273000) $ rpm -q --whatprovides libaa.so.1 aalib-libs-1.4.0-0.16.rc5.fc10.i386 Can you reproduce that? I assume that either you've got a wrong aalib-libs package or one in /usr/local that overrides the system's one. Right? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Unable to boot with LVM mount on USB drive (Fedora 10)
On Dec 11, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bruce Thompson wrote: Hi all, I haven't seen this reported anywhere else and it's kind of driving me nuts. I've got an LVM volume group that extends across two internal drives and one external USB drive. Prior to Fedora 10, the volume group initializes fine during boot and the filesystems listed in /etc/fstab mount fine. As of Fedora 10, the initialization of the volume group fails apparently because the USB drive is not yet registered when LVM attempts to bring up the volume group. I have a workaround, namely the following in rc.local: vgchange -ay Backups mount -o defaults,noatime /dev/Backups/Backup /backup mount -o defaults,noatime /dev/Backups/Staging /staging Obviously this is non-optimal since it bypasses the automatic fsck step. I am not sure, but I suspect that you can fix this by rebuilding your initrd, including the usb_storage module this time. Mikkel Just got home to try it out, that did the trick nicely. BTW for those that may have influence, would it be unreasonable to expect the default initrd to include usb-storage? Thanks much! Bruce. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Unable to boot with LVM mount on USB drive (Fedora 10)
Bruce Thompson wrote: Just got home to try it out, that did the trick nicely. BTW for those that may have influence, would it be unreasonable to expect the default initrd to include usb-storage? The current approach is to build initramfs images that are tailored to a specific system - only the modules actually required to get the root file system going are included by default. You can override that using the "--with" option to mkinitrd. I think you can also set this up persistently by adding a "MODULES=" entry to /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Unable to boot with LVM mount on USB drive (Fedora 10)
On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Bruce Thompson wrote: Just got home to try it out, that did the trick nicely. BTW for those that may have influence, would it be unreasonable to expect the default initrd to include usb-storage? The current approach is to build initramfs images that are tailored to a specific system - only the modules actually required to get the root file system going are included by default. You can override that using the "--with" option to mkinitrd. I think you can also set this up persistently by adding a "MODULES=" entry to /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd. Ah! That may be what I need, I'm thinking along the lines of needing to remember to re-do mkinitrd every time a new kernel comes out... / etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd should render that moot! Cheers! Bruce. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: what cryptic stuff??
Beartooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On F9, yum update wanted to do things to 13 packages; it did, > then did cleanup on all, then ouput this : > > ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.63:/org/freedesktop/PackageKit: > dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A > security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message > to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message > had interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" member "Introspect" > error name "(unset)" destination ":1.63") > > `Then it skipped a line, and said : > > Updated: PackageKit.i386 0:0.3.10-3.fc9 PackageKit-glib.i386 > 0:0.3.10-3.fc9 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin.i386 0:0.3.10-3.fc9 PackageKit- > udev-helper.i386 0:0.3.10-3.fc9 PackageKit-yum.i386 0:0.3.10-3.fc9 > PackageKit-yum-plugin.i386 0:0.3.10-3.fc9 cups.i386 1:1.3.9-2.fc9 cups- > libs.i386 1:1.3.9-2.fc9 kdelibs.i386 6:4.1.3-4.fc9 kdelibs-common.i386 > 6:4.1.3-4.fc9 libtirpc.i386 0:0.1.10-1.fc9 system-config-printer.i386 > 0:1.0.12-2.fc9 system-config-printer-libs.i386 0:1.0.12-2.fc9 > Complete! > You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root > > (I have SELinux set to disable, btw; yet it's denying access to > something to root ...) I had a similar experience this morning when I ran $ sudo yum update on my F9 system. It installed 10 packages, updated 24 and removed 4 and I got the "Introspect error". In addition I got this really useful message in an error dialog: Error Type:Error Value: list index out of range Well, duh! Stupid me. I should have known that! To make matters worse, ther error dialog is about 2" square on my 20" monitor and is not resizable. Taking into account, the icon and the Close button, that leaves about 1" horizontal by 1/2" vertical for the text box which needed both horizontal and vertical scroll bars because of its small size, futher reducing the space for the actual message. Please tell me that this is just a side effect of the current PackageKit issues and not a final-designed-for-the-end-user message. Well, at least the kmod-ndiswrapper dependency issues are resolved this morning. Steve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Looks gnome-packagekit dependency is broken
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 07:28 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > 李满 wrote: > > Look here > >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/PackageKit-0.3.12-1.fc9,gnome-packagekit-0.3.12-3.fc9,kpackagekit-0.3.1-6.fc9 > > That's for F9. The F10 update is this one: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2008-11078 > > Kevin Kofler > As I said in a separate message the F9 rpms can't be installed do to not being able to find dependencies. No one has explained how to successfully install them. -- === You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Annoying sudo change?
Hello Tom, On Thu 11/12/08 6:16 PM , Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > Is there some way to make sudo pay attention to my $PATH > (or even root's $PATH)? I've not had to bother with doing something like this, but a quick glance at the '/etc/sudoers' file shows a parameter for 'env_keep' which might be what you need. No idea whether this was changed to remove PATH between F9 and F10. HTH, - steve -- Linux Centric Marketplace: http://www.tuxcompatible.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Annoying sudo change?
Tom Horsley wrote: > Is there some way to make sudo pay attention to my $PATH > (or even root's $PATH)? I'm not sure if you can now. Sudo is compiled with the --secure-path option in F10. There was a thread on fedora-devel about this a few weeks ago. I don't recall any solution to your question coming out of it though. But perhaps knowing where the PATH issues stem from will help you locate a suitable solution or work-around. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-November/msg01270.html -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am, so that's the way it comes out. -- Bill Hicks pgpX4y3MnDQl0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Annoying sudo change?
Steve wrote: > Hello Tom, > > On Thu 11/12/08 6:16 PM , Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: >> Is there some way to make sudo pay attention to my $PATH >> (or even root's $PATH)? > > I've not had to bother with doing something like this, but a > quick glance at the '/etc/sudoers' file shows a parameter for > 'env_keep' which might be what you need. > > No idea whether this was changed to remove PATH between F9 and F10. > > I think it is a good change. But I am a security freak. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox cairo use?
Hello guys, does latest Firefox and also previous (for F10) use system's cairo / or own cairo? I ask because of i use my own cairo with LCD patches, so if firefox uses that cairo or not. Thanks ! David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
OT: mice size Re: asus w5f Intel sound on Fedora 10
Tim wrote, On 12/10/2008 09:13 PM: On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 19:16 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: The dog's not too good on the keyboard. Paws too big for picking out individual keys. You could always teach it to use the mouse... ;-) But a rat might be more practical. Yes, there is such a thing as a computer rat - it's a larger computer mouse. You would not happen to have the maker and some model names handy would you? I have not found a 'mouse' that fit my paw very well since they stopped making the Logitech MouseMan, and even it *seems* a bit small. :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
So what is the plan to allow users to manage their touchpad in KDE4.2 ?
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 13:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > 3) Ksynaptics wasn't installed. I didn't get around to installing it. > > My touchpad was frustrating during the session. I think ksynaptics is a > > MUST HAVE for KDE4.2, lest there be a mutiny on the fedora-users list. > > KSynaptics has absolutely nothing to do with KDE 4.2, it is still > KDE-3-based. It is also maintained by different people (Orion Poplawski is > the maintainer.) Moreover, it currently doesn't work at all in F10 (as > discussed in the other thread) so it wouldn't make much sense to include it > on the live CD. So what is the plan to allow users to control their touchpads in KDE4.2 ? Have laptop users been totally left out in the cold ? Why is there such extreme insensitivity to this topic ? I can't even turn my touchpad off in F10. Its a huge pain in the butt. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 12:58 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > linux guy wrote: > > While you are at it, you could throw on firefox and nvidia-settings so > > that people could access gmail and set their display up to its normal > > resolution. > > You can access gmail through IMAP using KMail. > > As for NVidia, there's no support for proprietary drivers on the live CD, > and there can't be support for those drivers on *any* live CD using > packages from Fedora and/or RPM Fusion before the new RPM Fusion driver > setup work is complete. And yet several of the KDE4.2 widgets are designed to use the advanced features offered by the proprietary nvidia drivers and the end users will be using the proprietary drivers. So basically KDE is shipping a feature that won't get tested. Ie RECIPE FOR TROUBLE ! Ironically, folderview freezes on my F10 installation. > (Right now, you can only install one driver at a > time, i.e. no multiple versions of nvidia nor coexisting nvidia and fglrx, > and installing the driver also breaks systems without the hardware using > that driver.) And even when it will possible, I doubt Rex will include > stuff from RPM Fusion on a CD which is supposed to be testing for what will > be in Fedora - it's clear that proprietary drivers will *never* be in > Fedora! The Fedora community needs to decide how serious they want to be about improving the quality of their releases. If they really want to get serious about things, I suggest they start improving the Live iso offerings and working with users that are willing to spend time running the prerelease software to make their job easier. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error
What is this? (I know it is a dbus error) ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.158:/org/freedesktop/PackageKit: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" member "Introspect" error name "(unset)" destination ":1.158") Updated: cups.i386 1:1.3.9-6.fc10 cups-libs.i386 1:1.3.9-6.fc10 cups-php.i386 1:1.3.9-6.fc10 dbus.i386 0:1.2.8-1.fc10 dbus-devel.i386 0:1.2.8-1.fc10 dbus-libs.i386 0:1.2.8-1.fc10 dbus-x11.i386 0:1.2.8-1.fc10 eel2.i386 0:2.24.1-4.fc10 eel2-devel.i386 0:2.24.1-4.fc10libX11.i386 0:1.1.4-6.fc10 libX11-devel.i386 0:1.1.4-6.fc10 libraw1394.i386 0:2.0.0-5.fc10 linuxwacom.i386 0:0.8.0.3-6.fc10 meanwhile.i386 0:1.1.0-0.fc10 selinux-policy.noarch 0:3.5.13-30.fc10 selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 0:3.5.13-30.fc10 setroubleshoot-plugins.noarch 0:2.0.12-1.fc10 tomcat5-servlet-2.4-api.noarch 0:5.5.27-6.1.fc10 xorg-x11-proto-devel.noarch 0:7.4-5.fc10 xorg-x11-xdm.i386 1:1.1.6-6.fc10 -- Brian Millett - [ Ivanova and Sinclair, "A Voice in the Wilderness I"] "Commander..." 'Yeah?' "I think I've got to go to the bathroom." 'Tell me about it!' signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
HP DC7900 tricks?
Has anyone installed F10-x86_64 on the new HP DC7900? Did you need any special kernel flags to make it work? - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Linuxguy123 wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 12:58 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > And yet several of the KDE4.2 widgets are designed to use the advanced > features offered by the proprietary nvidia drivers and the end users > will be using the proprietary drivers. Maybe fedora should strip these out then? (rhetorical, I don't expect a serious response, neither am I serious about doing so). > So basically KDE is shipping a feature that won't get tested. Ie RECIPE > FOR TROUBLE ! Ironically, folderview freezes on my F10 installation. X driver bug? What video hw/driver are you using? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Annoying sudo change?
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:52:07 -0500 Todd Zullinger wrote: > I'm not sure if you can now. Sudo is compiled with the --secure-path > option in F10. Well, I can always rebuild from source without it :-). There is still some kind of bug, so I submitted this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475990 If it is gonna arbitrarily replace the PATH, it shouldn't claim that PATH is retained in the sudo -V description. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thursday 11 December 2008 15:04:20 Linuxguy123 wrote: > Ironically, folderview freezes on my F10 installation. You should investigate this. Folderview has not crashed or frozen for me since I started using it, in early 4.1. You need to know what's interacting with it to cause the problem. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Linuxguy123 wrote: > If they really want to get serious about things, I suggest they start > improving the Live iso offerings and working with users that are willing > to spend time running the prerelease software to make their job > easier. It's hard. In this case prerelease = (for the most part) rawhide. And getting out fresh *live* bits is hard. In the meantime, we're down to enterprising folks spinning test live isos (as I'm trying to do here) or being ginnea pigs on full installs (and enabling something like the http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ F10-unstable repos used to generate the aforementioned f10-kde42 live images). hopefully, we'll get kde-4.2-beta2 in shape soonish. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Linuxguy123 wrote: > And yet several of the KDE4.2 widgets are designed to use the advanced > features offered by the proprietary nvidia drivers The only such widget I'm aware of is the wholely useless bluemarble widget (which wants OpenGL shaders which are only implemented in the proprietary drivers) and I'm wondering why we don't just -DDISABLE_bluemarble. > and the end users will be using the proprietary drivers. They really shouldn't, they aren't supported and are known to cause a lot of trouble. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Anne Wilson wrote: > You should investigate this. Folderview has not crashed or frozen for me > since I started using it, in early 4.1. You need to know what's > interacting with it to cause the problem. We already know: crappy NVidia drivers which we can't fix because they're binary-only. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wieseltux23 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
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anyone have bluetooth working?
Ever since the move from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10, I haven't had working bluetooth. I suspect it's the dbus issues, which even after today's updates are still not resolved, but I want to see if anyone else has it working. I have two systems both with an ASUS Bluetooth 2.0 adapter and neither one of them displays the adapter in the Preferences menu under the bluetooth tray icon. The kernel modules are getting loaded. /var/log/messages display bluetoothd registering interfaces and says "Adapter /org/bluez/2027/hci0 has been enabled" so it /looks/ like it should work, but the tray icon is completely empty and I cannot scan for devices. However, if I use the hcitool program for scanning, I can find devices. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: So what is the plan to allow users to manage their touchpad in KDE4.2 ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: > So what is the plan to allow users to control their touchpads in > KDE4.2 ? Ask the KSynaptics/libsynaptics maintainer (who is the person responsible for getting it to work with the current Synaptics driver API). Or the synaptics driver maintainer(s) (who are the ones behind the decision to disable SHMConfig by default). > Have laptop users been totally left out in the cold ? Why is > there such extreme insensitivity to this topic ? > > I can't even turn my touchpad off in F10. Its a huge pain in the butt. I never bothered disabling my touchpad even if I almost always have a mouse plugged into my laptop, so why should I start worrying about it now? I am not a maintainer or comaintainer of KSynaptics nor of the synaptics drivers, so how is it my fault that KSynaptics doesn't work? File bugs. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Call for A/V volunteers and equipment - FUDConF11
I'm looking for a few good folks to volunteer to help with A/V (streaming and recording) and to loan suitable equipment for the barcamp day of FUDConF11 (January 10/2009). If you are coming to FUDConF11 and are willing to help with A/V or are willing to loan any of the following, please let me know: * lav (clip-on) or headset mics, especially wireless * camcorder * laptop for recording or streaming Clint Savage has kindly agreed to bring a mixer and mics, and Matt Domsch and I are bringing camcorders. The current plan is to try and stream one room of audio (and maybe video) and record the other rooms for later posting. Thanks!-- -Chris ___ fedora-advisory-board mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:29 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 12:58 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > And yet several of the KDE4.2 widgets are designed to use the advanced > > features offered by the proprietary nvidia drivers and the end users > > will be using the proprietary drivers. > > Maybe fedora should strip these out then? (rhetorical, I don't expect a > serious response, neither am I serious about doing so). > > > So basically KDE is shipping a feature that won't get tested. Ie RECIPE > > FOR TROUBLE ! Ironically, folderview freezes on my F10 installation. > > X driver bug? What video hw/driver are you using? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 1 22:42:50 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $ lspci | grep nVidia 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8800M GTS (rev a2) $ yum list *nvidia* Loaded plugins: downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 0 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages kmod-nvidia.i686 177.82-1.fc10.6installed kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.i686 177.82-1.fc10.4installed kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.i686.i686 177.82-1.fc10.6installed xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.i386 177.82-1.fc10 installed xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i386 177.82-1.fc10 installed I entered a bugzilla about it. It was tagged CANTFIX. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 09:35 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > > If they really want to get serious about things, I suggest they start > > improving the Live iso offerings and working with users that are willing > > to spend time running the prerelease software to make their job > > easier. > > It's hard. In this case prerelease = (for the most part) rawhide. And > getting out fresh *live* bits is hard. If you get them out, I'll push people on this list to test them. Deal ? I wonder how many people know how easy it is to put an ISO on a USB drive ? I did it yesterday for the first time. Its darn slick. > In the meantime, we're down to enterprising folks spinning test live isos > (as I'm trying to do here) or being ginnea pigs on full installs (and > enabling something like the http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ F10-unstable > repos used to generate the aforementioned f10-kde42 live images). The later is unacceptable to anyone using their system for everyday work. Live ISOs rule. I know its a lot of work to put these things together, but if we want better releases, we need way more testing. > hopefully, we'll get kde-4.2-beta2 in shape soonish. Good stuff. Keep up the good work, Rex. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 15:35 +, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 11 December 2008 15:04:20 Linuxguy123 wrote: > > Ironically, folderview freezes on my F10 installation. > > You should investigate this. Folderview has not crashed or frozen for me > since I started using it, in early 4.1. You need to know what's interacting > with it to cause the problem. I agree. CANTFIX: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
wieseltux23 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
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Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 16:39 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > And yet several of the KDE4.2 widgets are designed to use the advanced > > features offered by the proprietary nvidia drivers > > The only such widget I'm aware of is the wholely useless bluemarble widget > (which wants OpenGL shaders which are only implemented in the proprietary > drivers) and I'm wondering why we don't just -DDISABLE_bluemarble. > > > and the end users will be using the proprietary drivers. > > They really shouldn't, they aren't supported and are known to cause a lot of > trouble. folderview uses the advanced rendering. Details in this bug report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 So what non proprietary driver should I be using for my nvidia card ? It needs to support twinview for dual monitors and have a gl library. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
wieseltux23 wants to keep up with you on Twitter
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Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Linuxguy123 wrote: > I entered a bugzilla about it. It was tagged CANTFIX. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 Rightly so, nvidia's driver, nvidia's bug, report it to the responsible party. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Bastille on F10?
Anyone tested the Bastille hardening process on F10? In a few days I'll be building an F10 box and plan to lock it down. Would be nice to start with Bastille rather than having keep tweaking old scripts. Dave McGuffey Principal Information System Security Engineer // NSA-IEM, NSA-IAM SAIC, IISBU, Columbia, MD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Mobile phone SIM card editing tool?
Have done a few searches and the only ones I've found have been for Windows. Anyone aware of a decent one that runs under Fedora? Dave McGuffey Principal Information System Security Engineer // NSA-IEM, NSA-IAM SAIC, IISBU, Columbia, MD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"
Sorry for not replying sooner. I got it back and working for the most part. Still have another issue when installing software is that I get the following error: Missing security signature The package is not signed by a trusted provider. Malicious software can damage your computer or cause other harm. Are you sure you want to install this package? __ Only option is to close that dialog. -- This is an email sent via The Fedora Community Portal https://fcp.surfsite.org https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=311107&topic_id=65176&forum=10#forumpost311107 If you think, this is spam, please report this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or blame [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sed programming question
Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 10Dec2008 18:39, Dan Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip!]
You can only do AND by nesting multiple pattern matches:
/foo/{
/bar/{
... do stuff for "foo" AND "bar"
}
}
I tested your suggestion above with and without -r option
but could not make it work as an "AND operator":
# echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
goo har
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Re: rpm problem, now mplayer/gpm is busted :-(
On Thursday, Dec 11th 2008 at 07:54 -, quoth Michael Schwendt: =>On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:28:30 -0500 (EST), Steven wrote: => =>> =>> 529 > mplayer Happy_Penguin.wmv =>> =>> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open =>> =>> shared object file: No such file or directory => =>> 576 > ls -l /usr/bin/mplayer =>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8353364 Nov 24 19:57 /usr/bin/mplayer =>> 577 > rpm -V mplayer =>> 578 > mplayer | head -5 =>> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open =>> shared object file: No such file or directory =>> =>> =>> Does this help? => =>Possibly. It tells me that your mplayer package verifies fine, which =>means that the executables has not been tampered with. Examining the =>executable I see that it depends on libgpm.so.2 via libaa.so.1: => =>$ ldd /usr/lib/libaa.so.1|grep gpm =>libgpm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgpm.so.2 (0x00273000) =>$ rpm -q --whatprovides libaa.so.1 =>aalib-libs-1.4.0-0.16.rc5.fc10.i386 => =>Can you reproduce that? I assume that either you've got a wrong =>aalib-libs package or one in /usr/local that overrides the system's one. =>Right? Bingo. A yum update aalib-libs fixed the problem. Now I have a couple of questions: *) "I see that it depends on libgpm.so.2 via libaa.so.1" What did you mean by that? How did you know that there was a dependancy on libgpm because of libaa-libs? *) Is it an installation bug that mplayer was incorrectly updated when I went from F9 to F10? Should it not have *removed* mplayer instead if libaa-libs was not a part of the install dvd? -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox cairo use?
I am pretty sure it uses it's own version. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:39 PM, David Hláčik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello guys, > > does latest Firefox and also previous (for F10) use system's cairo / > or own cairo? > > I ask because of i use my own cairo with LCD patches, so if firefox > uses that cairo or not. > > Thanks ! > > David > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.jewelerslounge.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thursday 11 December 2008 16:00:25 Linuxguy123 wrote: > > folderview uses the advanced rendering. Details in this bug report. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 > > So what non proprietary driver should I be using for my nvidia card ? > It needs to support twinview for dual monitors and have a gl library. I use only opensource drivers, nv and radeon. Maybe folderview uses the proprietary driver if it's in use, but it certainly doesn't need it. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rpm problem, now mplayer/gpm is busted :-(
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:48:52 -0500 (EST), Steven wrote: > Now I have a couple of questions: > > *) "I see that it depends on libgpm.so.2 via libaa.so.1" What did you mean > by that? That /usr/bin/mplayer doesn't use Gpm directly: $ objdump -x /usr/bin/mplayer|grep -i NEEDED|grep gpm > How did you know that there was a dependancy on libgpm > because of libaa-libs? $ rpm -q --whatrequires libgpm.so.2 gpm-1.20.5-1.fc10.i386 vim-enhanced-7.2.025-2.fc10.i386 aalib-libs-1.4.0-0.16.rc5.fc10.i386 $ objdump -x /usr/bin/mplayer|grep -i NEEDED|grep libaa NEEDED libaa.so.1 > *) Is it an installation bug that mplayer was incorrectly updated when I > went from F9 to F10? Should it not have *removed* mplayer instead if > libaa-libs was not a part of the install dvd? Rather you should have enabled RPM Fusion at upgrade-time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 17:30 +0100, merogringo wrote: > Sorry for not replying sooner. I got it back and working for the most part. > Still have another issue when installing software is that I get the following > error: > > Missing security signature > > The package is not signed by a trusted provider. > > Malicious software can damage your computer or cause other harm. Are you sure > you want to install this package? You need to update to gnome-packagekit 0.3.12 Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and Pulseaudio
Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I still have one FC6 machine I use for sound, does all the channels, > multiple inputs, can use the external speakers in the other > room... and I wouldn't upgrade it for anything! If you install F10 on enough machines, you'll eventually find one that has working sound. ;-) At least, that's my method. If someone sends me a link to a video, I try to remember to play it the next time I'm using my laptop. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F10 - dIsabling IPv4 addressing
I am doing IPv6 testing and do NOT want any IPv4 addresses on my eth0. I have RADVD running on my network to supply my v6 prefixes. So in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, I edit BOOTPROTO to =none When I save ifcfg-eth0, NetworkManager reports the network is down. If I start eth0 in NetworkManager, I get IPv4 addresses. If I use ifdown to bring eth0 back down, then ifup, I don't get IPv4 addresses, only my IPv6 global assignment. What do I have to do to get the desired behaviour? Oh, I am logged in as root, so I don't have to futz with permissions to fiddle with the interface. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Michael Cronenworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ever since the move from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10, I haven't had working > bluetooth. I suspect it's the dbus issues, which even after today's updates > are still not resolved, but I want to see if anyone else has it working. Uhm my bluetooth mouse works fine under Gnome. But I'm not using a dongle, I'm using whatever bluetooth chipset is in the Thinkpad T60. There are a set of bluez related updates in updates-testing if you feel like seeing if they help. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution with mapi plugin?
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Christopher A. Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will we see a version of evolution with the new mapi provider plugin > that's being developed show up in the F10 or rawhide repos? I think you > need 2.25.x for this. > > Just something I'm interested in having a closer look at, but don't have > the time right now to go through re-compiling Evolution from source on > my work laptop for it. If past experience is any guide, you'll have to wait for Evo 2.26, which should be out in time for F11, though I guess Rawhide might get it a little sooner. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
dmraid & mkinitrd under F10 x86_64
Under F8 or F9, I had managed to build an initrd image that would automatically mount my non-boot dmraided drives without any effort on my part; this was obviously a while ago, and I'm no expert on mkinitrd. When I installed F10, it wiped out that configuration, and is instead intent upon mounting the individual drives and not initialize dmraid at all. I've been trying to get this fixed for a few days now, but can't seem to come up with an answer. Can any one give me an answer? After unmounting the individual drives, I currently activate the dmraid as root with: dmraid -a yes nvidia_gdedfbbj Then mount the desired partitions. The device mapper device files for the partitions are in my /etc/fstab with an appropriate mounted path, which makes it a simple "mount /media/drive" command possible once dmraid has been activated. But mkinitrd seems to be where I'm having the problem. I just tried using --force-raid-probe which is listed in the usage notes (mkinitrd -h), but apparently it isn't actually available as a command line option. Would using "--with=dmraid" work? Thanks, Raymond -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting actual source for a kernel
Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:15:28 -0500 Bill Davidsen wrote: Thanks, it seems I'm not going to be able to just get the source with rpm2cpio, apply the patches, and do the build where I have disk space. I'll do it the hard way and actually install the source by unpacking the RPM after I find a machine with space where the package wants to unpack. I don't normally leave space in /usr/src, since I run kernel.org kernels which I can build in a development space. One of the steps documented in the wiki (I forget which one :-) has the side effect of creating a ~/.rpmmacros file in your home directory. If you change the %_topdir in there, you can make it do it's work anywhere. Good thought, I'll try that then. I may have misunderstood --relocate, and wound up with a source which didn't build. Thanks. -- Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rpm problem, now mplayer/gpm is busted :-(
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *) Is it an installation bug that mplayer was incorrectly updated when I > went from F9 to F10? Should it not have *removed* mplayer instead if > libaa-libs was not a part of the install dvd? You would prefer that the installer remove all packages not on the installation media on upgrading? If it did that then you would lose the ability to simply upgrade all applications from 3rd parties after install. Because the installer ignores these problems, as soon as you have your repositories reconfigured again for Fedora 10, all you have to do is run an update to fix things. If the installer removed all broken applications, you'd have to install all of them by hand again manually after your repositories were reconfigured again. If you want to do that you might as well just do a fresh install instead of an upgrade. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Unable to install packages
I just installed Fedora 10 on my Sony Vaio laptop. Everything was fine until the system did an automatic update. Now when I try to use Packagekit (System->Administration->Add/Remove Software) to add new software I get the following message. What is going on? What do I need to do to fix this? There are several packages I need to add to finish out the functionality of my laptop. I currently have SELinux disabled in the hope that it was the cause of the problem. Please advise. failed to get a TID: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Transaction" member "SetLocale" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.PackageKit") (0) -- John Perry - WX5JP - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution with mapi plugin?
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:50:53 +1930 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > If past experience is any guide, you'll have to wait for Evo 2.26, > which should be out in time for F11, though I guess Rawhide might get > it a little sooner. Also if past evolution experience is any guide, you'll end up with something that is even more broken than the evolution connector, but the connector won't be supported anymore. I have no idea what the design goals for evolution are, but I am absolutely positive that "make it work well" is not one of the goals. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Rex Dieter wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: I entered a bugzilla about it. It was tagged CANTFIX. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 Rightly so, nvidia's driver, nvidia's bug, report it to the responsible party. -- Rex Perhaps a compromise? Fedora forwards any bugzillas determined to be from Nvidia to Nvidia. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: infrastructure modest proposal
Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:33:49 -0800 Gordon Messmer wrote: Isn't that sort of the intent of the "testing" repo? I dunno :-). Maybe we don't need another layer, maybe we just need the simple check for obvious dependency problems in "testing", but I think maybe the the associated packages might be in "testing" already, yet they weren't marked to go to "updates" at the same time. Perhaps a more useful bit of QA prior to each push of packages to "updates" would be to prep a new client (use mock), enable the [testing] repo, add "includepkgs = ", and then pass "" to "yum install". If there are dependency problems, yum will fail. If you're concerned about it, you might want to propose such a thing in the dev list. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sed programming question
Dan Thurman wrote:
I tested your suggestion above with and without -r option
but could not make it work as an "AND operator":
# echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
goo har
$ rpm -q sed
sed-4.1.5-11.fc10.x86_64
$ echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
foo har
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Re: cups failed last week, now amanda
On Thursday 11 December 2008, Craig White wrote: >On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 23:49 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] Well, I got ipv6 turned off, I built a 2.6.28-rc8 kernel with that option unchecked. That does seem to be doing it the hard way though. I moved the cupsd.conf.rpmnew into use, and now have rebooted to the rc8 kernel, and will see about the cups problems as I warm feet during the day. I should note that while amanda did email me of a sucessful run last night, it did not print the report from amreport, to a printer that was working earlier in the day. I'll have to investigate that as time permits. I also noted that there was no change in an selinux denial I get as soon as I run x though. I do not use network-manager, all fixed addressses here. But I get this, and have been for months at xserver bootup time. Last line of troubleshooters report: host=coyote.coyote.den type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1229016153.378:76): arch=4003 syscall=292 success=no exit=-13 a0=6 a1=1cc08e a2=306 a3=9d84770 items=0 ppid=4171 pid=4172 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="nm-system-setti" exe="/usr/sbin/nm-system-settings" subj=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) There is nothing in /etc/init.d, or /etc/sysconfig, that runs that executable. It should not ever be invoked if NM is not being used. I just set it to 0644, so we will see what gets a tummy ache the next time I startx. Thanks Craig. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) come on it's a pico clone it's *meant* to be annoying -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:53 -0700, stan wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > > > > >> I entered a bugzilla about it. It was tagged CANTFIX. > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 > > > > Rightly so, nvidia's driver, nvidia's bug, report it to the responsible > > party. > > > > -- Rex > > > Perhaps a compromise? > > Fedora forwards any bugzillas determined to be from Nvidia > to Nvidia. what if nVidia wants more information from bug reporter? (very likely) Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
Original Message Subject: Re: anyone have bluetooth working? From: Jeff Spaleta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Date: 12/11/2008 11:16 AM On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Michael Cronenworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ever since the move from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10, I haven't had working bluetooth. I suspect it's the dbus issues, which even after today's updates are still not resolved, but I want to see if anyone else has it working. Uhm my bluetooth mouse works fine under Gnome. But I'm not using a dongle, I'm using whatever bluetooth chipset is in the Thinkpad T60. There are a set of bluez related updates in updates-testing if you feel like seeing if they help. -jef I'm not saying bluetooth is entirely broken as I can still use hcitool. The tray icon (bluetooth logo) that gives you access to look into devices (obexFTP) or send files is non-functional. All screens are blank, where they used to contain my Known Devices and had the name of my bluetooth adapter. I performed a "check-update" after enabling updates-testing and I do not see any bluez updates available. I'm currently using 4.19-1 of all the bluez packages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: DVD update causes data loss
王召峰 wrote: > I happen to start my laptop with a DVD(containing Fedora 10 iso file) in > the CD-ROM, > so it enters the installation or update environment, I didn't feel like > to reset, so I moved on, > chose the update choice, hoping it will do nothing while going on, but > after update completed, the reset failed > I started the machine, logined with old account 'houghes', but it said: > home/houghes doesn't exist! > so I lost all the data in my home directary! > help! this is really frustrating You don't provide enough information to really tell, but it sounds like you *installed* F10 instead of updating. The default during install is to overwrite existing partitions. If this is the case, your old OS is definitely gone. Check the home directory contents by doing ls -al /home . If there is nothing there, your data is probably gone. But also check if there are any partitions outside your current OS by running /sbin/blkid or df. If there are, perhaps one of them was ignored by the update and actually contains your old home directory with all your data. You should be able to then mount that directory and copy the old data to your new home directory. Post back if you are still having problems. An installation DVD is dangerous if you don't give it respect. To prevent this in future you should go into the bios of your laptop as it is starting and change the boot order so that HD is used before CD/DVD. Then you have to manually change it back before you can start an install DVD. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
Original Message Subject: Re: anyone have bluetooth working? From: Jeff Spaleta To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Date: 12/11/2008 11:16 AM There are a set of bluez related updates in updates-testing if you feel like seeing if they help. Ah, found a bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475815 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:53 -0700, stan wrote: what if nVidia wants more information from bug reporter? (very likely) Craig Aaahhh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution with mapi plugin?
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 12:48 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:50:53 +1930 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > If past experience is any guide, you'll have to wait for Evo 2.26, > > which should be out in time for F11, though I guess Rawhide might get > > it a little sooner. > > Also if past evolution experience is any guide, you'll end up with > something that is even more broken than the evolution connector, > but the connector won't be supported anymore. I have no idea > what the design goals for evolution are, but I am absolutely > positive that "make it work well" is not one of the > goals. ...No kiddin! I would switch my default mail client to Thunderbird and an appropriate calendaring extension in a heartbeat if I could figure out how to make it work with our exchange server for *both* mail and calendaring. Unfortunately, their tools for this appear to be even less capable that Evolution. Cheers, Chris -- == "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?
Where was this discussed? Where was this tested? Why wasn't the change *REVERTED* immediately? System security? This is local access only. dbus has been open for years. A dbus package with the change REVERTED should had been released instead of having to wait weeks for fixed packages. System Services, PackageKit, bluez, and who knows what else is still broken. Today's dbus updates didn't fix anything by the way. Yes, bugs are filed, but discussion of the issue isn't appropriate in those bugs. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sed programming question
Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Dan Thurman wrote:
>> I tested your suggestion above with and without -r option
>> but could not make it work as an "AND operator":
>>
>> # echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
>> goo har
>
> $ rpm -q sed
> sed-4.1.5-11.fc10.x86_64
>
> $ echo "foo har" | sed -re '/foo/{/bar/{s/foo/goo/}}'
> foo har
>
$ echo "foo har" | sed -e "s/foo/goo/g" -e "s/har/bar/g"
goo bar
Is this what you're trying to do?
Kevin
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Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > I performed a "check-update" after enabling updates-testing and I do not see > any bluez updates available. I'm currently using 4.19-1 of all the bluez > packages. yum tells me: bluez.i3864.22-2.fc10updates-testing Give it a few hours for the mirrors to sync. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: All I want for Christmas is... F10 KDE4.2 Live... for testing...
On Thursday 11 December 2008, stan wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 10:53 -0700, stan wrote: > > > > what if nVidia wants more information from bug reporter? (very likely) > > > > Craig > > Aaahhh. > Give them a Bugzilla login and let them ask the original reporter? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 12:12 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Original Message > Subject: Re: anyone have bluetooth working? > From: Jeff Spaleta > To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. > > Date: 12/11/2008 11:16 AM > > > > > There are a set of bluez related updates in updates-testing if you > > feel like seeing if they help. > > Ah, found a bug. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475815 > I have a Mogo adapter. And after doing this: yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update *blue* *obex* it updated Dec 11 08:35:47 Updated: bluez-libs-4.22-2.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:35:51 Updated: gvfs-1.0.3-3.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:35:52 Updated: gvfs-obexftp-1.0.3-3.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:16 Updated: bluez-gnome-1.8-11.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:16 Updated: bluez-alsa-4.22-2.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:16 Updated: gvfs-smb-1.0.3-3.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:17 Updated: bluez-libs-devel-4.22-2.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:18 Updated: bluez-4.22-2.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:19 Updated: bluez-cups-4.22-2.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:19 Updated: bluez-gstreamer-4.22-2.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:20 Updated: gvfs-fuse-1.0.3-3.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:20 Updated: bluez-gnome-analyzer-1.8-11.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:20 Updated: gvfs-gphoto2-1.0.3-3.fc10.i386 Dec 11 08:36:21 Updated: gvfs-archive-1.0.3-3.fc10.i386 which put the bluetooth back to normal. I can use my mouse & see my phone. -- Brian Millett - [ Londo, "The Gathering"] "My god, man. We've become a tourist attraction. See the great Centauri Republic. Open 9 to 5, Earth time." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Unable to install packages
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 11:40 -0600, John Perry wrote: > failed to get a TID: A security policy in place prevents this sender > from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus > configuration file (rejected message had interface > "org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Transaction" member "SetLocale" error name > "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.PackageKit") (0) See http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/12/08/cve-2008-4311-dbus-126/ Richard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Unable to install packages
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 11:40 -0600, John Perry wrote: > I just installed Fedora 10 on my Sony Vaio laptop. Everything was fine until > the system did an automatic update. Now when I try to use Packagekit > (System->Administration->Add/Remove Software) to add new software I get the > following message. What is going on? What do I need to do to fix this? There > are several packages I need to add to finish out the functionality of my > laptop. I currently have SELinux disabled in the hope that it was the cause > of the problem. Please advise. > > failed to get a TID: A security policy in place prevents this sender from > sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file > (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Transaction" > member "SetLocale" error name "(unset)" destination > "org.freedesktop.PackageKit") (0) > > -- > John Perry - WX5JP - pe...@jpunix.net John, I have had the same problem on two machines. You can bypass this for the time being by doing a "yum update --exclude=PackageKit-qt" at the command prompt. Hopefully they will be able to get this fixed soon. Greg Ennis -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Where was this discussed? Where was this tested? The maintainer responsible for the push already apologized publicly for pushing to stable: http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-December/msg00812.html Pushing to stable was not intended and was done by mistake. Shall I have him brought to the Board Room and flogged for his incompetence? Mistakes happen. I very much expect Colin will be making a personal extra effort to careful for awhile, to ensure he doesn't make that sort of mistake again. > Why wasn't the change > *REVERTED* immediately? That's a question I don't have an answer for. Epoch could have been bumped to handle the version downgrade for a reversion. I think this was the first mention of reverting the dbus update that I have seen in discussion. I will say that there is a general problem in reverting. Once a package is in the wild, and a subset of affected packages are submited as updates to match it, reverting may not be a silver bullet as it would require reverting subsequent updates. I don't know if this is the case. Reverting policy is something for FESCo to talk about I think. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Brian Millett wrote: > which put the bluetooth back to normal. I can use my mouse & see my > phone. Do me a favor. After testing the mouse and phone interactions to your satification can you +1 the karma for the bluez updates in bodhi.fedoraproject.org to help move it along out of testing. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Mounting ext4 filesystems
Is there a tool like dumpe2fs which will let me see the UUID of a filesystem in ext4 format? And if so, dare I hope that if I put the UUID and type ext4 in /etc/fstab that it will mount without my doing any manual labor? The machine in question has kind of a variable hardware configuration, and I don't dare use a device name in fstab, since it could be wrong.Or is there a newer version of dumpe2fs in the pipeline which will provide that capability? The version on rawhide is the same as FC9, other than saying fc11 instead of fc9 in the version-id. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?
Original Message Subject: Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release? From: Jeff Spaleta To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Date: 12/11/2008 12:42 PM http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-December/msg00812.html Thanks for pointing out those posts. The fedora-devel thread was quite long and I stopped following it. I assume most other users are in the dark as well and I wanted to start a thread on it. Instead of having a thousand "PackageKit is broke" threads, a dbus thread was called for. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Thanks for pointing out those posts. The fedora-devel thread was quite long > and I stopped following it. I assume most other users are in the dark as > well and I wanted to start a thread on it. Instead of having a thousand > "PackageKit is broke" threads, a dbus thread was called for. Dbus hasn't been the only package affected by a pre-mature push to stable. Its happened to less critical applications as well. I've had applications I had to scramble to update because a dep was pushed directly into stable by another maintainer. We have to be very careful about finding the balance between protecting users from human error without overburdening maintainers with a set of bureaucracy that makes it more difficult for them to contribute. Part of that balance could be having more automated testing.. but that sort of thing takes people to develop and implement. If there was a general call made for new contributors to help implement more automated testing would you step up and help write code to implement that? -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Analog-to-Digital Audio:
Jeff Maxwell wrote: I am in need of a way to process an analog stereo input device to digital. I basically have old cassettes and reel-to-reels that I would like to convert to digital. I do have an old CD recorder that I have been using but it has started to have issues not being able to read the CDs I insert. I would think the better method would be some way to connect the audio output of the cassette/reel-to-reel device to the input of my sound card and do some type of capture. Has anyone had any success at this and how do handle 2 rca type outputs from the analog to the single sound card input? Thanks. You have had a lot of advice on hardware and software, I'll just add that the quality of the result is limited by the worst hardware in the chain. So unless you are going to buy new hardware to play the old cassettes and reel-to-reel, or the r2r is half inch tape recorded in a studio with top equipment, you will probably not lose a lot by using a decent sound card as the A-D conversion. For two channel input I have used "rec" from the sox package, and left every ugly thing in the first recording for removal after the fact. Then you can use various tools to remove noise, boost quiet segments, etc. Some of the stuff on tape may be compressed (Dolby or similar), that's good, you can expand it later and it help signal to noise. You might want to record once and use the level check in sox to tell you how much you can boost gain without clipping. Then record again at higher gain. Remember that if you have loud clicks and pops, you can boost gain and let them clip, fidelity is not an issue there. Finally, for records, there is a USB connected turntable I just saw advertised, I think it was about $200, which is sort of borderline between consumer and audiophile pricing. If you have a decent table and preamp probably not needed. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 - dIsabling IPv4 addressing
Robert Moskowitz writes: > When I save ifcfg-eth0, NetworkManager reports the network is down. > If I start eth0 in NetworkManager, I get IPv4 addresses. If I use > ifdown to bring eth0 back down, then ifup, I don't get IPv4 addresses, > only my IPv6 global assignment. > > What do I have to do to get the desired behaviour? You'll be doing yourself a favor if you ditch NetworkMangler and use the traditional network infrastructure. chkconfig network on chkconfig NetworkManager off (Then run system-config-network and make sure your interfaces are configured the way you want then. Save and reboot.) r...@poblano # service network restart Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface:[ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1:[ OK ] r...@poblano # r...@poblano # ifconfig eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX inet6 addr: 2001:5a8:4:7d0:2e0:XXff:feXX:8dXX/64 Scope:Global inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:XXff:feXX:8dXX/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:23 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:2514 (2.4 KiB) TX bytes:3164 (3.0 KiB) Interrupt:19 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:4273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:2326924 (2.2 MiB) TX bytes:2326924 (2.2 MiB) First off, you'll want to make sure your /etc/resolv.conf has some ipv6 nameservers listed. Now I doubt the system is capable of running as a pure ipv6 host unless someone put in the effort to flush out the last few ipv4 dependencies. We do have ~3 decades of ipv4 dependencies wired into the code. There are no doubt lots of programs that were never updated to use ipv6 sockets. > Oh, I am logged in as root, so I don't have to futz with permissions > to fiddle with the interface. Sigh. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mounting ext4 filesystems
Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there a tool like dumpe2fs which will let me see the UUID of a filesystem in ext4 format? And if so, dare I hope that if I put the UUID and type ext4 in /etc/fstab that it will mount without my doing any manual labor? The machine in question has kind of a variable hardware configuration, and I don't dare use a device name in fstab, since it could be wrong.Or is there a newer version of dumpe2fs in the pipeline which will provide that capability? The version on rawhide is the same as FC9, other than saying fc11 instead of fc9 in the version-id. Is is something like /sbin/blkid you are looking for? It lists block ids for all partitions. I am running F10 x86_64 and I just use ext4 as the type in fstab to mount ext4 partitions and it works fine. They mount fine from F9 as well as near as I can tell. I am able to rwx on them at least. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
Jeff Spaleta wrote: Do me a favor. After testing the mouse and phone interactions to your satification can you +1 the karma for the bluez updates in bodhi.fedoraproject.org to help move it along out of testing. -jef Is this where to give positive feedback for updates testing packages in general? If I update packages from updates testing and everything seems to work on my system, do I +1 all packages in the update? e.g. there were 128 packages in the update today, some from updates, most from updates testing. My system is working fine. Is that a +1 for all packages I updated? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mounting ext4 filesystems
stan wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there a tool like dumpe2fs which will let me see the UUID of a filesystem in ext4 format? And if so, dare I hope that if I put the UUID and type ext4 in /etc/fstab that it will mount without my doing any manual labor? The machine in question has kind of a variable hardware configuration, and I don't dare use a device name in fstab, since it could be wrong.Or is there a newer version of dumpe2fs in the pipeline which will provide that capability? The version on rawhide is the same as FC9, other than saying fc11 instead of fc9 in the version-id. Is is something like /sbin/blkid you are looking for? It lists block ids for all partitions. I am running F10 x86_64 and I just use ext4 as the type in fstab to mount ext4 partitions and it works fine. They mount fine from F9 as well as near as I can tell. I am able to rwx on them at least. Yeah, what I was thinking of is "vol_id" which doesn't seem to be in the path, and provides more information (at least by default),but blkid will provide the UUID, which is all I need. Will test momentarily. Thanks. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can't use yum
Hi people! I solved the problem. The message lighted me was "no network connection. device is unmanaged". I did the following: -) right-click on the network icon on your top-right bar. -) ensure to have marked "enable network manager" -) edit a new connection, putting your MAC address in. (services netwotk and NetworkManager are running) reboot. It worked. Even the network icon says still no network connection, I can surf the net, ping whatever I want, and use yum! It worked! Thank You for your hints! I hope it could work to some friend in troubles -- This is an email sent via The Fedora Community Portal https://fcp.surfsite.org https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=311171&topic_id=65209&forum=10#forumpost311171 If you think, this is spam, please report this to webmas...@fcp.surfsite.org and/or blame sciu_za...@tele2.it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"
Just ran a Yum Update and now everything is back to normal. They really should have tested the previous updates before releasing them. I can tell a lot of users and admins were not very happy with it. Thank you so much for the help! It is greatly appreciated. -- This is an email sent via The Fedora Community Portal https://fcp.surfsite.org https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=311215&topic_id=65176&forum=10#forumpost311215 If you think, this is spam, please report this to webmas...@fcp.surfsite.org and/or blame colonel_angel2...@yahoo.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 - dIsabling IPv4 addressing
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Robert Moskowitz writes: When I save ifcfg-eth0, NetworkManager reports the network is down. If I start eth0 in NetworkManager, I get IPv4 addresses. If I use ifdown to bring eth0 back down, then ifup, I don't get IPv4 addresses, only my IPv6 global assignment. What do I have to do to get the desired behaviour? You'll be doing yourself a favor if you ditch NetworkMangler and use the traditional network infrastructure. chkconfig network on chkconfig NetworkManager off (Then run system-config-network and make sure your interfaces are configured the way you want then. Save and reboot.) Yeah. I was afraid of that. Of course that means for the wireless, I get to go the old wpa_supplicant route too. But I am quite an old hand at that also. r...@poblano # service network restart Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface:[ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1:[ OK ] r...@poblano # r...@poblano # ifconfig eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX inet6 addr: 2001:5a8:4:7d0:2e0:XXff:feXX:8dXX/64 Scope:Global inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:XXff:feXX:8dXX/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:23 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:2514 (2.4 KiB) TX bytes:3164 (3.0 KiB) Interrupt:19 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:4273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:2326924 (2.2 MiB) TX bytes:2326924 (2.2 MiB) First off, you'll want to make sure your /etc/resolv.conf has some ipv6 nameservers listed. Now I doubt the system is capable of running as a pure ipv6 host unless someone put in the effort to flush out the last few ipv4 dependencies. We do have ~3 decades of ipv4 dependencies wired into the code. There are no doubt lots of programs that were never updated to use ipv6 sockets. You cannot turn off IPv4 for lo. At least that I have found. The kernel is hardwired for IPv4 and you would have to build your own to rip it out, and then you will probably break a lot. I figure 10 years after we successful transition MOST of the ipv4 dependencies will be moved to unloadable modules (maybe for the 3.8 kernel!) And for all the talk about IPv6 ready, you are right there are a lot of things we depend on that only work over IPv4. VNC is an example. Only RealVNC SUPPOSEDLY works with IPv4. Maybe the work to switch from VNC to TightVNC for FC11 could include adding IPv6 support At the last IETF, there was further talk about redesigning the APIs to only present names to the apps and blocking them from getting IP addresses. And perhaps even 'jimmying' some lower layer parts to control bad behaviour! My HIP effort is one noted as one of the models for replacing what apps see about IPv4 or IPv6 addresses. Oh, I am logged in as root, so I don't have to futz with permissions to fiddle with the interface. Sigh. Yes, one of these days all this stuff will just work right for regular userids. And that will be in the 4.9 kernel :>' -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Parsing Digital Audio Files:
Jeff Maxwell wrote: I have digital audio CDs that were created by copying cassette inputs to a CD recorder. This put 2 tracks on the CD; one for each side of the cassette. Each track contains several songs. I would like to parse each song to separate files/tracks, edit them with the appropriate song information then burn them to a new CD output. Audacity will let you see the tracks and cut them out. Also hand remove pops and clicks if you have patience. Depending on the recording you may want (or have) to adjust gain on a per track basis. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone have bluetooth working?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:21 AM, stan wrote: > Is this where to give positive feedback for updates testing packages in > general? Yes. > If I update packages from updates testing and everything seems to work on my > system, do I +1 all packages in the update? e.g. there were 128 packages in > the update today, some from updates, most from updates testing. My system > is working fine. Is that a +1 for all packages I updated? I would not do a blanket +1 for all packages...on the day you install them. It's only going to be useful if you make the effort to actually use the packages. Just having them installed for a day and sending in love, isn't going to help protect other users from accidental regressions. For example. I have evolution installed. I personally don't use evolution. Having me +1 the evolution testing-update even though I installed it, doesn't help protect other users who do actively use it. For me to do that would be somewhat counter-productive. Its also important to take into account what each testing update is trying to fix. It may not cause a regression, but it also may not fix the problem its trying to resolve. Now of course for things like libraries its tougher to understand if you are using them or not. There is still a lot of ways left to explore how to drive update-testing feedback into bodhi more effectively. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, merogringo wrote: > Just ran a Yum Update and now everything is back to normal. > > They really should have tested the previous updates before releasing them. I > can tell a lot of users and admins were not very happy with it. The maintainer responsible for the pre-mature update has apologized. He's not particularly happy about having caused the problem. Mistakes happen. I personally look forward to the day when the open source software ecosystem toolset achieves self-awareness and starts writing and implementing its own release policies, removing the need for any human interaction in the process at all. That will be a glorious 3.4 milliseconds before the newly aware computer overmind concludes that humans should be purged. As our world burns, open source advocates like myself will be able to take solace in the knowledge that the dominant sentient species on the planet from that day forward will have open source ideals as a core belief. We will have won the debate. -jef"Terminator 6: The Open Revolution"spaleta -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora 10 - Clock Applet Calendar week starts from Tuesday
If I look at the calendar from the clock applet, the week starts from Tuesday and all the week numbers are incorret. I tried to find a way to make the week start from either Monday or Sunday, but I failed. Any idea on how I can correct that? Thanks, Ivan - Ivan Virgili http://www.ivanvirgili.com GNU/Linux user #292882 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Fedora-10---Clock-Applet-Calendar-week-starts-from-Tuesday-tp20963167p20963167.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Delete language and keyboard from login screen - Fedora 10
I would like to delete English US as an option on the language and keyboard selection from the login screen. I would just like to have English UK and nothing else. How can I achieve that? Thanks, Ivan - Ivan Virgili http://www.ivanvirgili.com GNU/Linux user #292882 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Delete-language-and-keyboard-from-login-screen---Fedora-10-tp20963262p20963262.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Today's F10 update finishes with error
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:28:30PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I got the same message, and agree with you that It's about the most confusing error message I've seen since win3 days. My guess is that the author flunked out of the Sarah Palin School of Composition. I think I'll stick with yum and yumex for a while longer. Just another package released without testing on a machine with SElinux? No, the problem has nothing to do with SELinux, afaik. Thanks, my fault for reading the error message too quickly. I thought it was a denial from SEL. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
