date:20081219

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 15:46 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 12:00 -0500, Raman Gupta wrote:
> > Mark wrote:
> > > The first thing i did is set folder view as my desktop.
> > > there is something strange in kde. I have a 8600GT (nvidia) card and
> > > installed the drivers yet all the graphical effects seem to be
> > > slowish..
> > 
> > Try following the instructions here and see if that makes any difference:
> > 
> > http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Raman
> 
> 
> I had the same card and the problem.  Report it and complain.  
> 
> /rant 
> The KDE people blame it on nVidia.  I still say that someone should
> write a utility to allow users to twiddle the settings that they suggest
> we use so that we don't have to manually edit the xorg.conf file.   IN
> WHAT YEAR WILL LINUX USERS NOT HAVE TO MANUALLY EDIT THE XORG.CONF
> FILE ?  I've been doing that since RH8 days.  Its getting old.  
> /rant off 

re: your rant...

If you don't use proprietary, binary only, unsupported video drivers,
you shouldn't have to ever manually edit xorg.conf

It's really that simple

I understand why you are installing the proprietary blob drivers but
your ire needs to be directed at the companies that refuse to open
source their video drivers for whatever reasons because that means only
those companies can make the behavioral changes.

Craig

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Re: f10 no sound through usb headset

2008-12-19 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Don Raikes wrote:
> I have f10 installed and running fine on my gateway system, but I
> wanted to use my plantronics headset with it.
> I plugged in the headset and can see from the log that it is
> recognized, but I get no sound through the headset.
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated.
> 
I don't have experience with USB headsets, but it should show up as
another sound card. Fire up PulseAudio Volume Control and look at
the output device settings.

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Re: home directory

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 14:55 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Todd Denniston wrote:
> > Craig White wrote, On 12/19/2008 12:03 PM:
> >> getent passwd | grep $1 | awk -F: '{ print $6 }'
> ...
> > Thanks for that getent call suggestion, it simplifies one of my scripts 
> > greatly.
> 
> 
> The grep is useless, and should be discouraged.  Use something like this 
> instead:
> 
> getent passwd "$1" | awk -F: '{ print $6 }'
> or:
> getent passwd "$1" | cut -d: -f6
> 
> Calling "getent passwd" on a machine that uses LDAP as an NSS source 
> causes a full search of the directory, which can be very expensive on 
> large directories.  It's better not to make a habit of doing that.
> 
> Plus, the "grep" method fails if the username that you're searching for 
> is a substring of other usernames in the passwd database.

agreed on all accounts...I tossed out the grep idea just as a quick
thought and had doubts about the grep notion but I didn't have the time
to test out other ideas.

Craig

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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread Gordon Messmer


Todd Denniston wrote:

Craig White wrote, On 12/19/2008 12:03 PM:

getent passwd | grep $1 | awk -F: '{ print $6 }'

...
Thanks for that getent call suggestion, it simplifies one of my scripts 
greatly.



The grep is useless, and should be discouraged.  Use something like this 
instead:


getent passwd "$1" | awk -F: '{ print $6 }'
or:
getent passwd "$1" | cut -d: -f6

Calling "getent passwd" on a machine that uses LDAP as an NSS source 
causes a full search of the directory, which can be very expensive on 
large directories.  It's better not to make a habit of doing that.


Plus, the "grep" method fails if the username that you're searching for 
is a substring of other usernames in the passwd database.


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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread Steve Searle

Around 10:49pm on Friday, December 19, 2008 (UK time), Mikkel L. Ellertson 
scrawled:

> Dumb question - why not use $HOME?

Because he wants to do it for any user he cares to specify.  $HOME only
gives the current users home directory.

Steve

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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> Hi list
> I have a probleme with ~ substitution:
> when i write this, it ok;
> [r...@grid009 ~]# echo ~root
> /root
> but, when I try to write this a a variable, it is not ok!!
> [r...@grid009 ~]# user=root
> [r...@grid009 ~]# echo ~$user
> ~root
> 
> Can tou help me to solve this problem
> 
> Regards
> Adel
> 
> 
Dumb question - why not use $HOME?

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Re: Lets test the h...@!! out of KDE4.2 before it releases...

2008-12-19 Thread Linuxguy123

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 12:00 -0500, Raman Gupta wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > The first thing i did is set folder view as my desktop.
> > there is something strange in kde. I have a 8600GT (nvidia) card and
> > installed the drivers yet all the graphical effects seem to be
> > slowish..
> 
> Try following the instructions here and see if that makes any difference:
> 
> http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA
> 
> Cheers,
> Raman

I had the same card and the problem.  Report it and complain.  

/rant 
The KDE people blame it on nVidia.  I still say that someone should
write a utility to allow users to twiddle the settings that they suggest
we use so that we don't have to manually edit the xorg.conf file.   IN
WHAT YEAR WILL LINUX USERS NOT HAVE TO MANUALLY EDIT THE XORG.CONF
FILE ?  I've been doing that since RH8 days.  Its getting old.  
/rant off 

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread fchan


They are trying to block spam.
This is same for ATT DSL several years ago. At least ATT gave us an 
option to opt out of this via a form on their website. Check with 
Comcast if they have that option.
You can use port 587 as an alternate port for receiving receiving 
mail so check with your MTA to see if you can change from port 25  to 
587 or use both port 25 and port 587 at the same time.
I have both port 25  & 587 on my mail server just because some ISP 
block port 25 and my colleagues send mail from various locations and 
they have no control over the network.


Here are some links regarding port 587:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1838667,00.asp
http://blog.deliverability.com/2008/06/does-sending-e.html

Frank

Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound 
port 25 connections at my location.


I collect several mailing lists at my home domain which I have 
maintained for many years.


Plus, it has always been nice to have an email box that I could run 
my own spam filters on.


Because MicroSoft has created such a huge mess with spambots and the 
like, I have lost another privilege that not long ago was assumed, 
and now falls into a business only category.


I do not blame the consumers who are duped into buying computers 
with a pre-installed OS.


It is so VERY annoying that step by step, we lose individual 
freedoms because of corporate greed and incompetence.


Its somewhat like being in jail for something you did not do.  Or so 
it seems to me.


Sorry for the rant.

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Re: serial port too fast for Core Duo?

2008-12-19 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> I have an oscilloscope with a 19200 bps serial port on it. It works fine
> with my old Windows 2000 computer.
> 
> But it will not work with the on-board serial port on my shiny new HP
> DC7900 with Fedora 10! 19200 bps is too fast, and the data is always
> (slightly) corrupted, regardless of what sort of flow control is used.
> 
> Using a USB-to-RS232 dongle works, presumably because the dongle has a
> larger buffer than the normal 16 byte UART.
> 
> Can linux really not handle a 19200 serial port transmission, without
> resorting to obscure IRQ re-prioritization hacks?
> 
> - Mike
> 
What does setserial say about the serial port? (You will probably
have to install it...) Make sure it is using the same IRQ as set by
the BIOS, and is showing as a 16550 or better UART. It is supposed
to  turn on the FIFO on the UART as well. There is also the
"low_latency" option, but that should not be needed to 19200 baud.

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 16:24:26 -0600,
  Les Mikesell  wrote:
>
> Maybe.  Or maybe the one you preferred would be bankrupt now.  Anyway,  
> take it up with whatever local authority is giving Comcast a monopoly in  
> your municipality since no one else can do much about it.

Unfortunately I don't have enough money to buy my own set of politicians.

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 14:07:10 -0800,
  bruce  wrote:
> bruno...
> 
> in the us (in most areas) the local gov't institution holds great sway over
> who gets the ISP rights.. you're mote than welcome to organize, to be able
> to represent your views. it's called democracy...

No its called corruption. The ILECs finance the campaigns of legislators
who in return give them much of what they want so they can make money
(regardless of whether other companies could provide either the same service
for less money or better service for the same amount of money). Democracy
doesn't enter into things unless they do something bogus that's really
over the top.

> but, given that you may not have multiple competitors for the ISP... the ISP
> provider can still do pretty much whatever they choose as long as it's
> legal. keep in mind, 20 years ago.. there wasn't an ISP and things still
> worked pretty well!! and you always have the option of physically moving to
> another state!!!

20 years ago the ISPs were separate from the phone companies for residential
uses. (Businesses that needed T1s 2were still getting screwed over at that
time.) There was real competition. And there still is competition in the
dial up business.

> but stating that 'individual freedoms' are stepped on is completely stupid.

No it isn't. You are thinking about it at the wrong level. The internet
provides a way for individuals to easy communicate with each other.
Arranging things so that a few companies get to control that gateway and
then leave them free to interfere in that communication is a rights issue.

> me getting stopped when i was a kid because i was black and accused of theft
> simply because of my skin.. that's a situation where 'freedoms/rights' come
> into play.. not the ISP issues you have regarding port issue...

Just when you were a kid? I thought that was still going on. Though at
least it gets some mainstream coverage now. There is some crossover in the
freedom to travel (which is being assualted on several fronts these days,
not just minorities getting harrassed when not in their neighborhood) and
being able to freely communicate with other people.

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25


Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 16:00:29 -0600,
  Les Mikesell  wrote:
The low cost residential account comes with terms that say you won't run  
servers on it.  If you aren't running a server, it doesn't matter much  
if they block port 25 or not.


Except whether or not you run a "server" has little to do with how much
it costs them to provide that service. And this there was actual competition,
that wouldn't be able to get away with that artificial market segmentation.


Maybe.  Or maybe the one you preferred would be bankrupt now.  Anyway, 
take it up with whatever local authority is giving Comcast a monopoly in 
your municipality since no one else can do much about it.


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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 16:00:29 -0600,
  Les Mikesell  wrote:
>
> The low cost residential account comes with terms that say you won't run  
> servers on it.  If you aren't running a server, it doesn't matter much  
> if they block port 25 or not.

Except whether or not you run a "server" has little to do with how much
it costs them to provide that service. And this there was actual competition,
that wouldn't be able to get away with that artificial market segmentation.

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RE: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread bruce

bruno...

in the us (in most areas) the local gov't institution holds great sway over
who gets the ISP rights.. you're mote than welcome to organize, to be able
to represent your views. it's called democracy...

but, given that you may not have multiple competitors for the ISP... the ISP
provider can still do pretty much whatever they choose as long as it's
legal. keep in mind, 20 years ago.. there wasn't an ISP and things still
worked pretty well!! and you always have the option of physically moving to
another state!!!

but stating that 'individual freedoms' are stepped on is completely stupid.
me getting stopped when i was a kid because i was black and accused of theft
simply because of my skin.. that's a situation where 'freedoms/rights' come
into play.. not the ISP issues you have regarding port issue...

peace

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From: Bruno Wolff III [mailto:br...@wolff.to]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:57 PM
To: bruce
Cc: p...@themeyerfarm.com; 'Community assistance, encouragement, and
advice for using Fedora.'
Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:41:03 -0800,
  bruce  wrote:
>
> check your Terms/Conditions of your ISP. you guys who think that anything
> that you want to do, and your ISP won't let you is somehow violating your
> rights are laughable.

If there was competition this would be true. But when you can't get real
internet access in an area for a reasonable price (and 3x the going rate
isn't reasonable), then it is true.

> your ISP is running a biz, with rules. I can go in a store and demand to
buy
> a turkey for the price I want. I can't go tell the Best Buy, to give me
the
> TV, for the price I want. you can't force the ISP to give you the service
> you want, with the bells/whistles you want, for the price you want.

But in those cases there is competition that keeps the prices reasonable.

> you're more than welcome to attempt to raise the funds to start your own
> ISP...

And do what. The ILECs have been given a position that allows them to keep
competition out. Take a look what happened in Canada. Losing customers to
your competition because they aren't blocking things? Why just start
blocking
traffic on the lines you are reselling so that your competitors can only
provbide the same crappy service you want to provide.

> your 'rights' aren't being stepped on because your ISP won't allow you to
do
> what you want.

That view only makes sense when there are lots of ISPs with different rules
and rates. It doesn't apply where there is a duopoly that provides the same
crappy service to everyone and competitors need not apply.

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Thompson Freeman


On 12/19/2008 01:18:55 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:

It's this kind of thing that makes me nervous about
leaving Speakeasy
DSL, even though it's relatively expensive for the speed
($50 for 1.5
Mbps).  They've always had progressive rules and seem
linux-friendly.
That and the fact that the wiring in the house is so lousy
that
Comcast internet was really flaky


Since Speakeasy doesn't have a true DSL to my neighborhood,  
I get iDSL. Slow as Christmas, expensive, and so forth. But  
worth the money due to the quality of their support people.  
Barely worth it by now, but still worth it.


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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25


Bruno Wolff III wrote:



the cable companies in the US typically sell a residential Internet
package which requires that you not run a mail or web server as part of
their terms of service and typically block inbound access to ports 25 &
80 to those customers. Many also block port 25 outbound access to all
but their own SMTP servers. In exchange for this 'crippled' Internet
service, they charge roughly 1/3 the cost of a 'business' based Internet
service which doesn't block anything at all. It seems reasonably fair to
me.


How is it fair? Business accounts cost more because you get uptime guaranties
and real support


Errr, I think you've confused Comcast with something else...


and depending on the type of connection you may be allowed
to use your maximum bandwidth all of the time. (Though the latter service
typically is going to cost more than 3x the residential rate.)


The low cost residential account comes with terms that say you won't run 
servers on it.  If you aren't running a server, it doesn't matter much 
if they block port 25 or not.


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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25
From: Bruno Wolff III 
To: Craig White 
CC: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 

Date: 12/19/2008 02:51 PM

How is it fair? Business accounts cost more because you get uptime guaranties
and real support and depending on the type of connection you may be allowed
to use your maximum bandwidth all of the time. (Though the latter service
typically is going to cost more than 3x the residential rate.)

Bull. You don't get "real" support unless you're with a dedicated ISP 
such as a data centre. Cox, Charter, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon all give 
basic support staff to standard /and/ business customers. I know because 
I've been on the phone with them. Have you?

While blocking these ports may actually be helpful for some people (to limit
damage when they aren't capable of securing their systems), there really
isn't a good reason for this for people that don't need that protection.
There isn't any basis there to charge people several times extra in order
to not have to check things in their routers. If anything the people that
need those blocks are the ones that should be getting charged more.

I agree with you there.

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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread Chris Tyler

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 20:31 +, g wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Cox wrote:
> >> try 'echo ~/$LOGNAME' to get logged in user and directory
> > 
> > As you'd notice if you tried it before posting this doesn't work and
> > couldn't possibly work.
> 
> i did. it does. and why i sent it.
> 
> +++
> g...@argosyiayia ~]$ echo ~/$LOGNAME
> /home/geo-sl/geo
> [...@argosyiayia ~]$
> +++

g: Your demo proves you wrong. You have posted the wrong answer three
times in three different messages. Please, take your time before hitting
Send.

The OP wanted the home directory of a given user. Your command produces
the current user's home directory followed by a slash followed by the
current user's name.

-Chris

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Re: serial port too fast for Core Duo?

2008-12-19 Thread fred smith

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 03:49:26PM -0500, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> I have an oscilloscope with a 19200 bps serial port on it. It works fine 
> with my old Windows 2000 computer.
> 
> But it will not work with the on-board serial port on my shiny new HP 
> DC7900 with Fedora 10! 19200 bps is too fast, and the data is always 
> (slightly) corrupted, regardless of what sort of flow control is used.
> 
> Using a USB-to-RS232 dongle works, presumably because the dongle has a 
> larger buffer than the normal 16 byte UART.
> 
> Can linux really not handle a 19200 serial port transmission, without 
> resorting to obscure IRQ re-prioritization hacks?
> 
> - Mike

I've run a modem, fo ryears, at 115200bps on old hardware, like a Pentium-90
and a K6-2/350 without trouble.

Many years ago I encountered a problem with an add-in serial port that
had been given some non-standard (as serial ports go) IRQ, where its IRQ
had such a low interrupt priority that it couldn't keep up. thre was some
tool I found to reset those priorities. I have no recollection what the
tool was, or if it is even needed anymore.

but, no, Linux doesn't (or certainly didn't) have trouble with fast serial
data.

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:41:03 -0800,
  bruce  wrote:
> 
> check your Terms/Conditions of your ISP. you guys who think that anything
> that you want to do, and your ISP won't let you is somehow violating your
> rights are laughable.

If there was competition this would be true. But when you can't get real
internet access in an area for a reasonable price (and 3x the going rate
isn't reasonable), then it is true.

> your ISP is running a biz, with rules. I can go in a store and demand to buy
> a turkey for the price I want. I can't go tell the Best Buy, to give me the
> TV, for the price I want. you can't force the ISP to give you the service
> you want, with the bells/whistles you want, for the price you want.

But in those cases there is competition that keeps the prices reasonable.

> you're more than welcome to attempt to raise the funds to start your own
> ISP...

And do what. The ILECs have been given a position that allows them to keep
competition out. Take a look what happened in Canada. Losing customers to
your competition because they aren't blocking things? Why just start blocking
traffic on the lines you are reselling so that your competitors can only
provbide the same crappy service you want to provide.

> your 'rights' aren't being stepped on because your ISP won't allow you to do
> what you want.

That view only makes sense when there are lots of ISPs with different rules
and rates. It doesn't apply where there is a duopoly that provides the same
crappy service to everyone and competitors need not apply.

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libgtkhtml3 bug??

2008-12-19 Thread fred smith

I'm trying to compile gnomesword. During compilation I gett his error:

*** No rule to make target `/Editor.idl', needed by `Editor-common.c'.  Stop.

So, looking around I find that there in fact IS NO Editor.idl.

further looking around, I find that my Centos 5 box has one, and it comes
from the package gtkhtml3-3.16.3-1.el5. 

On the F10 system, looking at the file list for
gtkhtml3-3.24.2-1.fc10.i386 I find that there is no such file in the
package.

Is this a packaging bug, or is it supposed to be in some other
package? (or is there some kind of magic involved here to which I'm not
privy? :))

I'm open to (reasonable) suggestions.

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Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-19 Thread Mark

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Les Mikesell  wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>>
>> btw. i never understood why Linus Torvalds was so opposed to Gnome.
>> i'm beginning to understand why.
>
> How much less RAM would your system need if everything shared one window
> toolkit?  And how much better could it be if all development had focused on
> just one?
>
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Multiple toolkits is horrible but some desire it. there is no stopping
in that unless all but one change to a license that simply isn't for
linux (or closed source).
And the biggest ram eaters and cpu eaters are all those python scripts
that keep being pushed in more and more distros (you get the point)

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Reg Clemens


Yea, I got caught up in this too.

Ive used the same email address (to my own domain) forever, so its on every 
list
imaginable.  Comcast would accuse me of spamming even tho the From addresses 
that
showed the email coming from a machine some place in russia.   Sigh.

So they would cut off my port 25 and twice, after a week of finding the right 
person
to talk to, It would get turned back on.  Luckily, with my DNS entries, I 
didnt loose
any mail, it just stacked up at my ISP (separate from Comcast).

IN ANY CASE, when I subscribed to Comcast (or rather when Comcast took over 
for
whoever had the service before) for a home account you had to subscribe to at
least minimal CableTV to get the internet service.  I dont know if that's 
still true.

BUT the Minimal CableTV + Internet charge is just a couple three dollars less 
than
the lower cost Business account where they dont bug you about port 25, so I 
went
that way.  

So far so good...
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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 13:37:23 -0700,
  Craig White  wrote:
> 
> the cable companies in the US typically sell a residential Internet
> package which requires that you not run a mail or web server as part of
> their terms of service and typically block inbound access to ports 25 &
> 80 to those customers. Many also block port 25 outbound access to all
> but their own SMTP servers. In exchange for this 'crippled' Internet
> service, they charge roughly 1/3 the cost of a 'business' based Internet
> service which doesn't block anything at all. It seems reasonably fair to
> me.

How is it fair? Business accounts cost more because you get uptime guaranties
and real support and depending on the type of connection you may be allowed
to use your maximum bandwidth all of the time. (Though the latter service
typically is going to cost more than 3x the residential rate.)

While blocking these ports may actually be helpful for some people (to limit
damage when they aren't capable of securing their systems), there really
isn't a good reason for this for people that don't need that protection.
There isn't any basis there to charge people several times extra in order
to not have to check things in their routers. If anything the people that
need those blocks are the ones that should be getting charged more.

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Kevin J. Cummings


fred smith wrote:

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:49:05AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:

On Friday 19 December 2008 11:17:10 am Phil Meyer wrote:

Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port
25 connections at my location.
AFAIK at least in the area i'm in they have always blocked port 25. While it 
sucks  its certainly common practice amongst ISP's all over the world.


Dennis


FWIW, and you may not have this choice, in my area (outside Boston) we
have choices of carriers (varies from community to community). We can
choose Comcast, Verizon (FIOS), or RCN.  I have RCN, and they do not
(yet) block port 25.


RCN does selective blocking of port 25.  They allow port 25 traffic 
inbound to your computers, but all outgoing port 25 traffic must be 
routed RCN's mail gateway.  Its not a bad price to pay, but it was 
inconvenient when they started it.


I'm pretty sure you can get around all of this is you upgrade to a 
"business" account.  You may have to pay for it though.



RCN also offers phone and internet packages, i.e., NO TV for those of us
who are weird enough to want such a thing. Comcast doesn't even know how
to talk to you if you don't want TV...


Not entirely true, they offered a 6MB service to my daughter in 
Attleborough for $60 a month plus installation (her apartment building 
has a choice between Comcast or the owner's satellite package).  Much 
more expensive than the Verizon DSL plan at half that price.



Do you have a static IP address? If not, how do you get mail into your
server? I th ink the DYNDNS folks may have a service whereby if you park
your domain with them (or use an address in one of their domains) they 
can forward mail to you on an alternate port, so you may find such an

option as that to work around Comcast's stupid rules.






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Re: F10 boot progress bar

2008-12-19 Thread Tom Horsley

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:31:59 -0600
Bruno Wolff III wrote:

> Edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and remove the quiet and rhgb parameters.
> I believe you can do this one off during the boot sequence by hitting tab
> while the grub menu is displayed.

Just remove rhgb to get "traditional" boot messages (service start
and wot-not).

Remove "quiet" if you want it to be really really wordy.

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serial port too fast for Core Duo?

2008-12-19 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak

I have an oscilloscope with a 19200 bps serial port on it. It works fine 
with my old Windows 2000 computer.


But it will not work with the on-board serial port on my shiny new HP 
DC7900 with Fedora 10! 19200 bps is too fast, and the data is always 
(slightly) corrupted, regardless of what sort of flow control is used.


Using a USB-to-RS232 dongle works, presumably because the dongle has a 
larger buffer than the normal 16 byte UART.


Can linux really not handle a 19200 serial port transmission, without 
resorting to obscure IRQ re-prioritization hacks?


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Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11


Mark wrote:


btw. i never understood why Linus Torvalds was so opposed to Gnome.
i'm beginning to understand why.


How much less RAM would your system need if everything shared one window 
toolkit?  And how much better could it be if all development had focused 
on just one?


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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread Todd Denniston


Craig White wrote, On 12/19/2008 12:03 PM:

Or lastly, this might be useful...

# cat users_get_home
#!/bin/sh
#
getent passwd | grep $1 | awk -F: '{ print $6 }'

# ./users_get_home craig
/home/users/craig

Craig



Thanks for that getent call suggestion, it simplifies one of my scripts greatly.

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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread g

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Alan Cox wrote:
>> try 'echo ~/$LOGNAME' to get logged in user and directory
> 
> As you'd notice if you tried it before posting this doesn't work and
> couldn't possibly work.

i did. it does. and why i sent it.

+++
g...@argosyiayia ~]$ echo ~/$LOGNAME
/home/geo-sl/geo
[...@argosyiayia ~]$
+++

peace out.

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F10 boot progress bar

2008-12-19 Thread elk dolk

Hi all,

Instead of seeing the beautiful blue & white progress bar I want to see the 
boot sequence detail. How can I change it?




  

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Re: F10 boot progress bar

 Original Message 
Subject: F10 boot progress bar
From: elk dolk 
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: 12/19/2008 02:28 PM

Hi all,

Instead of seeing the beautiful blue & white progress bar I want to see the 
boot sequence detail. How can I change it?

Press the ESC key.

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Re: home directory

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 20:34 +, g wrote:
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> 
> 
> Craig White wrote:
> 
> > why would he want to give advice that actually works?
> 
> see my reply to alan cox.

that might work in your world but not in anyone else's world

Craig

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RE: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread bruce

as i said...

check your Terms/Conditions of your ISP. you guys who think that anything
that you want to do, and your ISP won't let you is somehow violating your
rights are laughable.

your ISP is running a biz, with rules. I can go in a store and demand to buy
a turkey for the price I want. I can't go tell the Best Buy, to give me the
TV, for the price I want. you can't force the ISP to give you the service
you want, with the bells/whistles you want, for the price you want.

you're more than welcome to attempt to raise the funds to start your own
ISP...

the term "individaul freedom" has been co-opted by way too many
people/groups.

I sell the ISP services... I have the contractual rights to sell from
whatever org I had to negotiate with.. I get to do whatever I damn well
choose, as long as it's legal.

people complain/bitch about the way things are way too often. if you don't
like it, change it, compete with them, sue them.. or just try to work your
way around the rules, and hope you don't get caught.

welcome to the real world.

your 'rights' aren't being stepped on because your ISP won't allow you to do
what you want.

boo hoo to you!

peace...

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From: Bruno Wolff III [mailto:br...@wolff.to]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:26 PM
To: bruce
Cc: p...@themeyerfarm.com; 'Community assistance, encouragement, and
advice for using Fedora.'
Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:12:05 -0800,
  bruce  wrote:
>
> what the heck are you talking about.. individual freedoms

It is related to individual freedoms. Real internet access allows you to
communicate freely with others (at least those that want to hear you).
Blocking ports and the like is part of the process of turning the internet
into TV.

> check your T&C from your ISP. I'm willing to bet it's clearly spelled
out..
> maybe deep in the docs what you can/can't do regards the network.

It might also allow you to opt out of this feature. Some ISPs do this by
default to keep people who don't need this from having their connection
misused.

> i've frequently run services ssh/vpn/http/smtp/etc... over the network,
> knowing full well that i might be going against their service docs...

You know, if some company is selling "internet" access they shouldn't be
blocking ports, putting in hidden proxies or similar crap. If there are,
they should be selling web access instead.

> i've also known that i could get the biz level system to be able to
legally
> run these services. sometimes, i haven't had the cash, others not the time
> to setup the biz accounts...

Worst case it's breach of contract. Violating a TOS isn't illegal in itself.

> but don't confuse your running a service with somekind of "individual
> freedom" thing...

It wouldn't be a big deal if there was real competition in the ISP
business. But because there isn't and in some areas of the US, you can't
get real internet access without paying exhorbitant fees. (Essentially
making you buy an unneeded level of support that is normally or required
by businesses.)

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Re: home directory

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 20:31 +, g wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> Alan Cox wrote:
> >> try 'echo ~/$LOGNAME' to get logged in user and directory
> > 
> > As you'd notice if you tried it before posting this doesn't work and
> > couldn't possibly work.
> 
> i did. it does. and why i sent it.
> 
> +++
> g...@argosyiayia ~]$ echo ~/$LOGNAME
> /home/geo-sl/geo
> [...@argosyiayia ~]$
> +++

makes no sense...

[cr...@lin-workstation .kde]$ echo ~/$LOGNAME
/home/craig/craig

[cr...@lin-workstation .kde]$ echo ~
/home/craig

there is no /home/craig/craig but my home directory is /home/craig in
this instance

Craig

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Re: F10 boot progress bar

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:28:33 -0800,
  elk dolk  wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Instead of seeing the beautiful blue & white progress bar I want to see the 
> boot sequence detail. How can I change it?

Edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and remove the quiet and rhgb parameters.
I believe you can do this one off during the boot sequence by hitting tab
while the grub menu is displayed.

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Re: home directory

2008-12-19 Thread g

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Craig White wrote:

> why would he want to give advice that actually works?

see my reply to alan cox.



peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:12:05 -0800,
  bruce  wrote:
> 
> what the heck are you talking about.. individual freedoms

It is related to individual freedoms. Real internet access allows you to
communicate freely with others (at least those that want to hear you).
Blocking ports and the like is part of the process of turning the internet
into TV.

> check your T&C from your ISP. I'm willing to bet it's clearly spelled out..
> maybe deep in the docs what you can/can't do regards the network.

It might also allow you to opt out of this feature. Some ISPs do this by
default to keep people who don't need this from having their connection
misused.

> i've frequently run services ssh/vpn/http/smtp/etc... over the network,
> knowing full well that i might be going against their service docs...

You know, if some company is selling "internet" access they shouldn't be
blocking ports, putting in hidden proxies or similar crap. If there are,
they should be selling web access instead.

> i've also known that i could get the biz level system to be able to legally
> run these services. sometimes, i haven't had the cash, others not the time
> to setup the biz accounts...

Worst case it's breach of contract. Violating a TOS isn't illegal in itself.

> but don't confuse your running a service with somekind of "individual
> freedom" thing...

It wouldn't be a big deal if there was real competition in the ISP
business. But because there isn't and in some areas of the US, you can't
get real internet access without paying exhorbitant fees. (Essentially
making you buy an unneeded level of support that is normally or required
by businesses.)

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 14:26 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:12:05 -0800,
>   bruce  wrote:

> > i've frequently run services ssh/vpn/http/smtp/etc... over the network,
> > knowing full well that i might be going against their service docs...
> 
> You know, if some company is selling "internet" access they shouldn't be
> blocking ports, putting in hidden proxies or similar crap. If there are,
> they should be selling web access instead.
> 
> > i've also known that i could get the biz level system to be able to legally
> > run these services. sometimes, i haven't had the cash, others not the time
> > to setup the biz accounts...
> 
> Worst case it's breach of contract. Violating a TOS isn't illegal in itself.
> 
> > but don't confuse your running a service with somekind of "individual
> > freedom" thing...
> 
> It wouldn't be a big deal if there was real competition in the ISP
> business. But because there isn't and in some areas of the US, you can't
> get real internet access without paying exhorbitant fees. (Essentially
> making you buy an unneeded level of support that is normally or required
> by businesses.)

the cable companies in the US typically sell a residential Internet
package which requires that you not run a mail or web server as part of
their terms of service and typically block inbound access to ports 25 &
80 to those customers. Many also block port 25 outbound access to all
but their own SMTP servers. In exchange for this 'crippled' Internet
service, they charge roughly 1/3 the cost of a 'business' based Internet
service which doesn't block anything at all. It seems reasonably fair to
me.

Craig

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Re: Hidden download performance problem with Fedora 6-10

2008-12-19 Thread Joshua C.

+1

I've seen really fast mirrors but when it comes to update the speed
drops to ~300kbps. when directly downloading from a mirror I get ~
1,6mbps. with other distro I haven't seen this, though. it is not a
connection problem but a fedora problem (I think).

if i can assist, let me know.

2008/12/19, Kevin Fenzi :
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:39:31 -0800
> Chuck  wrote:
>
>> I have not used Fedora because of the following issue.
>>
>> I get VERY SLOW performance or hangs when downloading from
>> repositories etc. on every Fedora version I have tried.  I have seen
>> users raising this issue since Fedora Core 4.  So I can't use Fedora;
>> but would like to.  I apologize for the length of the message.  I
>> have tried the Forum but got no help there.
>
> ...snip...
>
>> Non-stop.  Just over an hour duration.  Full speed and ON THE VERY
>> SAME HARDWARE.
>
> ok, lets start there. What is the hardware?
>
> can you provide the output of 'lspci', 'nm-tool', 'dmesg' and
> 'ifconfig'?
> Hopefully on fedora live and on your debian install?
>
> ...snip...
>
>> I am done now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> charlie
>
> kevin
>

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Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file


Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:

Em Sex 19 Dez 2008, Les Mikesell escreveu:

Ali, Saqib wrote:

Hello All,

I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous
downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem
like that it can do that.

Any thoughts?

You've got a multi-tasking system.  Why not run as many copies of
wget as you want?


I think he want to download multiple parts of the same file 
simultaneously and assembly the file at the end of the downloads. 
Multiple copies of wget would not get the job done.


Is that useful on a high-latency satellite link or something?

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Re: Making firefox look like IE

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:22:18 -0600,
  Aaron Konstam  wrote:
> There is plugin that makes firefox look to external servers like IE.
> Does anyone know where it is and how to install it?

You don't even need a plugin. You can go to about:config and set
general.useragent.override to what ever string you'd like. If it is
set to the empty string the useragent header won't be sent. (It is an
optional header, though some things don't like it when there isn't one.)

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Re: How to request an updated file in the repos?

2008-12-19 Thread dexter

2008/12/19 Ted Roche :
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
>> Hey someone using gpodder.  There are 0.14 gpodder updates in
>> updates-testing for F10.
>> This obviously wont fix your feedparser problem, but they do need testing
>>
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gpodder-0.14.0-1.fc10
>>
>> Please test the new functionality of the 0.14 release and drop a +1 or
>> -1 into the bodhi karma for the update.
>>
>
> I'd be glad to, but I'm not really sure how to go about it. Hmm, the
> words are familiar but the sentences meaningless :)
>
> I've got updates-testing enabled, but 0.14 is only in rawhide, from
> what I see, and that fails with dependency issues.
>
> sudo yum install gpodder --enablerepo=rawhide
>
> fails with:
>
> Error: dejavu-fonts-sans-mono conflicts with dejavu-fonts-experimental
>
Don't enable rawhide unless you know what your doing!
If its not yet reached your local repo it will always be in koji:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=74886

I've noticed the lag from build to repo is becoming so long these days.

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Re: How to request an updated file in the repos?

2008-12-19 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:25:51 -0500, Ted wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > Hey someone using gpodder.  There are 0.14 gpodder updates in
> > updates-testing for F10.
> > This obviously wont fix your feedparser problem, but they do need testing
> >
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gpodder-0.14.0-1.fc10
> >
> > Please test the new functionality of the 0.14 release and drop a +1 or
> > -1 into the bodhi karma for the update.
> >
> 
> I'd be glad to, but I'm not really sure how to go about it. Hmm, the
> words are familiar but the sentences meaningless :)
> 
> I've got updates-testing enabled, but 0.14 is only in rawhide,

The update ticket above is in state "pending", which means it is
waiting for the packages to be pushed into the updates-testing
repository. Until that will happen, you can only fetch the builds
directly from the Fedora Build System. You can do that manually,
for example, after clicking the link in the "Builds:" line.

It is recommended that you wait for the packages to become
available in the updates-testing repo, though.

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Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file

2008-12-19 Thread Steven W. Orr

On Friday, Dec 19th 2008 at 12:46 -, quoth Ali, Saqib:

=>Hello All,
=>
=>I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous
=>downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem like
=>that it can do that.
=>
=>Any thoughts?

Use lftp. Very cool ftp client.

It has the usual get and put commands, but you can also say pget (for 
parallel get). It'll run multple simultanous gets on different segements 
of the desired file. Does a nice job of saturating your NIC.

yum install lftp

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Re: Has anyone got Flash plugin working with Netscape on f9_64 ???

 Original Message 
Subject: Has anyone got Flash plugin working with Netscape on f9_64 ???
From: Reg Clemens 
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: 12/19/2008 01:41 PM

Ive been trying on and off now for a week to try to get the Flash Player
plugin working with Netscape on f9_64.

Netscape? That old crusty, unsupported browser?

Do you mean Firefox?

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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Dennis Gilmore

On Friday 19 December 2008 01:31:06 pm Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25
> From: bruce 
> To: p...@themeyerfarm.com, 'Community assistance, encouragement, and
> advice for using Fedora.' 
> Date: 12/19/2008 01:12 PM
>
> > i've also known that i could get the biz level system to be able to
> > legally run these services. sometimes, i haven't had the cash, others not
> > the time to setup the biz accounts...
>
> To get a business account with providers, I believe you have to prove
> (with state documents, etc) that you are a business. It's ridiculous.
> I'd easily be willing to pay $10-20 more a month to legally use ports
> 25/80 but the providers have no competition for such services. It's all
> extremely expensive for /very/ basic services.
i have comcast business service at home. its a little more but i get static 
ips.  i am not a business and did not need to provide any evidence of being a 
business.  im in Illinois.  not sure on other places.

Dennis

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Has anyone got Flash plugin working with Netscape on f9_64 ???

2008-12-19 Thread Reg Clemens

Ive been trying on and off now for a week to try to get the Flash Player
plugin working with Netscape on f9_64.

There appear to be ways to get both the 32 and 64 bit player to work,
but nothing works for me.

On f9_32 It works, but not on 64.

Anyone having any success?
Want to tell me how.


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Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25
From: bruce 
To: p...@themeyerfarm.com, 'Community assistance, encouragement, and 
advice for using Fedora.' 

Date: 12/19/2008 01:12 PM

i've also known that i could get the biz level system to be able to legally
run these services. sometimes, i haven't had the cash, others not the time
to setup the biz accounts...

To get a business account with providers, I believe you have to prove 
(with state documents, etc) that you are a business. It's ridiculous. 
I'd easily be willing to pay $10-20 more a month to legally use ports 
25/80 but the providers have no competition for such services. It's all 
extremely expensive for /very/ basic services.

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Re: Setting up Linksys WRT54GL for Remote Server

2008-12-19 Thread Jim


Ted Roche wrote:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jim  wrote:

  

But on the client side in NX for each user on server, how do you treat that
in NX ?



"Jim:"

You can't get the answer to a question you don't ask. The more
information you provide, the more likely you are to get the exact
information you need.

Since you're using NX and not just ssh, you may find it advantageous
to reconfigure the servers to listen on different ports (like the 8122
and 8222 I suggested before, ports above 1000 are recommended) and
then have the router pass the packets through directly on those ports.
Then, you will need to reconfigure both the NX server and the NX node
to use that port.

There are many varieties of NX, both free and commercial. I haven't
worked with it since 2006, so my advice is likely out of date. I'd
suggest you check the support forum on the NX site at nomachine.com,
for answers such as this one:
http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR06E00470. They have a
very good support forum and should have answers to this
frequently-asked-question for the specific version and platform you're
using.

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Well I have got it to work.

In /etc/ssh/sshd_config  I set to, Port 2995

In /usr/NX/etc  Server box 2
node.cfgThere is ONE place that has got to be changed for SSHD port 
22 to 2995
server.cfgThere is TWO places that has got to be changed for SSHD 
port 22 to 2995


Lastly, the Firewall settings in /etc/sysconfig/iptables has got to be 
changed from dport 22 to 2995.


Finally,  I'm able to connect to  TWO servers through a WRT54GL,  The  
WRT54GL will not allow you to

connect TWO boxes as Servers using 22 to 22.

Box 1 22 to 22  192.168.1.253 (static IP).
Box 2 2995 to 2995 192.168.1.254 (static IP).

Yes, I'm aware of the ramification of using port 2995.

What led me in the right direction was feedback from you guys, THANKS.

This is a example of why I love Linux, could this as easily be done in 
$Windows ??




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Re: How to request an updated file in the repos?

2008-12-19 Thread Ted Roche

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> Hey someone using gpodder.  There are 0.14 gpodder updates in
> updates-testing for F10.
> This obviously wont fix your feedparser problem, but they do need testing
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gpodder-0.14.0-1.fc10
>
> Please test the new functionality of the 0.14 release and drop a +1 or
> -1 into the bodhi karma for the update.
>

I'd be glad to, but I'm not really sure how to go about it. Hmm, the
words are familiar but the sentences meaningless :)

I've got updates-testing enabled, but 0.14 is only in rawhide, from
what I see, and that fails with dependency issues.

sudo yum install gpodder --enablerepo=rawhide

fails with:

Error: dejavu-fonts-sans-mono conflicts with dejavu-fonts-experimental


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Re: f10 no sound through usb headset

2008-12-19 Thread Nigel Henry

On Friday 19 December 2008 19:11, Don Raikes wrote:
> I have f10 installed and running fine on my gateway system, but I wanted to
> use my plantronics headset with it. I plugged in the headset and can see
> from the log that it is recognized, but I get no sound through the headset.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.

Hi Don.

I'm not too up to speed on USB audio apps, apart from my USB midi keyboard, 
but I'll have a go to start things off.

Is this on a laptop, or a PC? Which make, and model?

I assume that the sounds are working on F10, apart from the headset problem.

With the headset unplugged, post back the output from the commands below.

cat /proc/asound/cards
/sbin/lsmod | grep snd

If you have a laptop, with built in webcam, and mike, you will probably see 
lsmod showing the snd-usb-audio module loaded, and the output from, 
cat /proc/asound/cards will also show a card entry (perhaps card1, or card2) 
for a USB device (a webcam's mike perhaps).

Anyway. Post back the output from running the commands above, and we'll take 
it from there.

All the best.

Nigel.

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Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file

2008-12-19 Thread Marcelo Magno T. Sales

Em Sex 19 Dez 2008, Les Mikesell escreveu:
> Ali, Saqib wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous
> > downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem
> > like that it can do that.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
>
> You've got a multi-tasking system.  Why not run as many copies of
> wget as you want?

I think he want to download multiple parts of the same file 
simultaneously and assembly the file at the end of the downloads. 
Multiple copies of wget would not get the job done.

[]'s
Marcelo

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RE: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread bruce



what the heck are you talking about.. individual freedoms

check your T&C from your ISP. I'm willing to bet it's clearly spelled out..
maybe deep in the docs what you can/can't do regards the network.

i've frequently run services ssh/vpn/http/smtp/etc... over the network,
knowing full well that i might be going against their service docs...

i've also known that i could get the biz level system to be able to legally
run these services. sometimes, i haven't had the cash, others not the time
to setup the biz accounts...

but don't confuse your running a service with somekind of "individual
freedom" thing...

gawd!!!



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From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com]on Behalf Of Phil Meyer
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: For users of Fedora Core releases
Subject: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25



Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port
25 connections at my location.

I collect several mailing lists at my home domain which I have
maintained for many years.

Plus, it has always been nice to have an email box that I could run my
own spam filters on.

Because MicroSoft has created such a huge mess with spambots and the
like, I have lost another privilege that not long ago was assumed, and
now falls into a business only category.

I do not blame the consumers who are duped into buying computers with a
pre-installed OS.

It is so VERY annoying that step by step, we lose individual freedoms
because of corporate greed and incompetence.

Its somewhat like being in jail for something you did not do.  Or so it
seems to me.

Sorry for the rant.

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Re: Evolution still asks me for all my passwords every time.

2008-12-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Tim  wrote:
> e.g. I log in as myself, into Gnome, through GDM.  I run Evolution, and
> I don't get asked to enter a password.

This is a known problem with KDE. It's due to a mismatch between the
Gnome keys system and the KDE login. Since Evo is a Gnome app, there's
a lack of communication which can be solved by killing the Gnome key
daemon.

poc

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Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file


Ali, Saqib wrote:

Hello All,

I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous
downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem like
that it can do that.

Any thoughts?


You've got a multi-tasking system.  Why not run as many copies of wget 
as you want?


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[RESOLVED] Fedora 7 date display in ls -al

2008-12-19 Thread Denise . Agosti

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I have found that changing LC_TIME is working well --- with the other
approaches being equally functional.
I was unaware of the html attachment and I apologize for it.Will
change to a different email for future posts.

Thanks,
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Re: Deactivating password request after screen lock

2008-12-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Weiner, Michael  wrote:
> I have an unusual request from a user that I support, who would like me to
> deactivate (or disable) the password request that occurs after the screen is
> locked in an X session. He runs KDE and when the session is inactive, it
> locks the screen (as normal). And when he returns he finds it annoying to be
> asked for his password in order to unlock the screen. After a short period
> of explaining why this was a security FEATURE of the system, he still
> insists on having me do this. I have googled for some time and have come up
> empty handed and was wondering if ANYONE on this list had ever done this and
> how.

This makes no sense. Locking the screen means having to unlock it. If
you don't want to have to unlock it, don't lock it in the first place.
Just use the screensaver in "no lock" mode. Go to
Settings->Desktop->Screen Saver, select Start Automatically After X
mins, and unselect the box beside "Require password to stop". The
screensaver will activate after the time you set.

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Re: Access a SMB share in Nautilus and terminal window

2008-12-19 Thread Brent Gardner

Michael Cronenworth wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: Access a SMB share in Nautilus and terminal window
From: Brent Gardner 
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: 12/19/2008 10:18 AM

If I'm accessing a SMB share in Nautilus, does the system actually 
mount that share anywhere in the local FS so I can access it from a 
terminal window?  Or do I need to mount it separately in the terminal 
window to get access?

It uses the ~/.gvfs/ mount point.

Thanks!  This is exactly what I was looking for.

Brent

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Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file

2008-12-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:46:10 -0800
"Ali, Saqib"  wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous
> downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem like
> that it can do that.
> 
> Any thoughts?

Might try any of: 'aria2', 'multiget' or 'wxdfast' ?

> saqib

kevin



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Re: Hidden download performance problem with Fedora 6-10

2008-12-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:39:31 -0800
Chuck  wrote:

> I have not used Fedora because of the following issue.
> 
> I get VERY SLOW performance or hangs when downloading from
> repositories etc. on every Fedora version I have tried.  I have seen
> users raising this issue since Fedora Core 4.  So I can't use Fedora;
> but would like to.  I apologize for the length of the message.  I
> have tried the Forum but got no help there.

...snip...

> Non-stop.  Just over an hour duration.  Full speed and ON THE VERY
> SAME HARDWARE.

ok, lets start there. What is the hardware?

can you provide the output of 'lspci', 'nm-tool', 'dmesg' and
'ifconfig'? 
Hopefully on fedora live and on your debian install?

...snip...

> I am done now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> charlie

kevin


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Hidden download performance problem with Fedora 6-10

2008-12-19 Thread Chuck


I have not used Fedora because of the following issue.

I get VERY SLOW performance or hangs when downloading from repositories 
etc. on every Fedora version I have tried.  I have seen users raising 
this issue since Fedora Core 4.  So I can't use Fedora; but would like 
to.  I apologize for the length of the message.  I have tried the Forum 
but got no help there.


To investigate, I did manage to get wget downloaded and installed while 
running from the F10 live CD. ( I won't bother installing any Fedora 
until this issue is fixed. ) It took way too long to accomplish but wget 
did eventually get installed.


I used wget in a terminal window to expose what is going on.  So from 
the live CD I mounted an existing ext3 partition and went to its temp 
directory.  Then I launched wget to download again the F10 live CD ISO.


Terminal output pasted below between the dashed lines.  Note the data 
errors, retries and eta of over 46 hours at one point...	


[liveu...@localhost temp]$ wget 
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso
--2008-12-19 07:58:29-- 
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso
Resolving download.fedoraproject.org... 66.35.62.166, 80.239.156.215, 
152.46.7.222, ...

Connecting to download.fedoraproject.org|66.35.62.166|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 FOUND
Location: 
http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso 
[following]
--2008-12-19 07:58:29-- 
http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso

Resolving mirrors.usc.edu... 68.181.195.4
Connecting to mirrors.usc.edu|68.181.195.4|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 714407936 (681M) [application/x-iso9660-image]
Saving to: `F10-i686-Live.iso'

 0% [ 
] 381,876  163K/s   in 2.3s


2008-12-19 07:59:00 (163 KB/s) - Read error at byte 381876/714407936 
(Connection reset by peer). Retrying.


--2008-12-19 07:59:01--  (try: 2) 
http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso

Connecting to mirrors.usc.edu|68.181.195.4|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
Length: 714407936 (681M), 714026060 (681M) remaining 
[application/x-iso9660-image]

Saving to: `F10-i686-Live.iso'

 0% [ 
] 830,544 --.-K/s  eta 46h 45m ^C
[liveu...@localhost temp]$ wget 
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso
--2008-12-19 08:01:16-- 
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso
Resolving download.fedoraproject.org... 80.239.156.215, 152.46.7.222, 
209.132.176.120, ...

Connecting to download.fedoraproject.org|80.239.156.215|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 FOUND
Location: 
http://mirror.stanford.edu/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso 
[following]
--2008-12-19 08:01:17-- 
http://mirror.stanford.edu/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso

Resolving mirror.stanford.edu... 171.66.2.18
Connecting to mirror.stanford.edu|171.66.2.18|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 714407936 (681M) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: `F10-i686-Live.iso.1'

 0% [ 
] 96,205   300K/s   in 0.3s


2008-12-19 08:01:19 (300 KB/s) - Read error at byte 96205/714407936 
(Connection reset by peer). Retrying.


--2008-12-19 08:01:20--  (try: 2) 
http://mirror.stanford.edu/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/F10-i686-Live.iso

Connecting to mirror.stanford.edu|171.66.2.18|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
Length: 714407936 (681M), 714311731 (681M) remaining 
[application/octet-stream]

Saving to: `F10-i686-Live.iso.1'

 0% [ 
] 1,593,376115K/s   in 10s


2008-12-19 08:01:30 (147 KB/s) - Read error at byte 1593376/714407936 
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Re: More screensavers for Gnome

2008-12-19 Thread suvayu ali

2008/12/19 Paul Smith 

> but the point is: which one works with Gnome?
>

try reallyslick
http://www.reallyslick.com/

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How to force Kmail to use the KDE wallet for passwords

2008-12-19 Thread Kevin Kempter

Hi All;
when I initially setup Kmail / Kontact I told it not to use the KDE wallet, 
but to store the passwords internally (by mistake). Now Kmail is storing the 
account passwords but not in the KDE wallet.  

How can I change this so Kmail uses the KDE wallet ?


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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Reid Rivenburgh

It's this kind of thing that makes me nervous about leaving Speakeasy
DSL, even though it's relatively expensive for the speed ($50 for 1.5
Mbps).  They've always had progressive rules and seem linux-friendly.
That and the fact that the wiring in the house is so lousy that
Comcast internet was really flaky

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f10 no sound through usb headset

2008-12-19 Thread Don Raikes

I have f10 installed and running fine on my gateway system, but I wanted to use 
my plantronics headset with it.
I plugged in the headset and can see from the log that it is recognized, but I 
get no sound through the headset.

Any thoughts appreciated.

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread fred smith

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:49:05AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Friday 19 December 2008 11:17:10 am Phil Meyer wrote:
> > Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port
> > 25 connections at my location.
> AFAIK at least in the area i'm in they have always blocked port 25. While it 
> sucks  its certainly common practice amongst ISP's all over the world.
> 
> Dennis

FWIW, and you may not have this choice, in my area (outside Boston) we
have choices of carriers (varies from community to community). We can
choose Comcast, Verizon (FIOS), or RCN.  I have RCN, and they do not
(yet) block port 25.

RCN also offers phone and internet packages, i.e., NO TV for those of us
who are weird enough to want such a thing. Comcast doesn't even know how
to talk to you if you don't want TV...

Do you have a static IP address? If not, how do you get mail into your
server? I th ink the DYNDNS folks may have a service whereby if you park
your domain with them (or use an address in one of their domains) they 
can forward mail to you on an alternate port, so you may find such an
option as that to work around Comcast's stupid rules.

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Seann Clark


Dennis Gilmore wrote:

On Friday 19 December 2008 11:17:10 am Phil Meyer wrote:
  

Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port
25 connections at my location.

AFAIK at least in the area i'm in they have always blocked port 25. While it 
sucks  its certainly common practice amongst ISP's all over the world.


Dennis

  
Comcast and Cox both do this, it makes sense. Makes it a pain when you 
host a legit server, but there are ways around it. Using the ISP to 
forward through and to, going DynDNS (like I am doing) and going to a 
non-standard port (It actually works VERY well) or going business 
service level (which drops blocks period on the communication line, at 
least for Cox)



Comcast has been doing this off and on since 2000 (Google searches 
result in a lot of complaints about this action over the years)



Just my 2cents and exp on this...


~Seann


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Re: Lost audio on headphones (F9)

2008-12-19 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Tim  wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 05:45 -0200, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
> > Unfortunately, some boards only detect the presence of jacks connected
> > to the back of the computer. Plugging, say a headphone, to the front
> > does not change anything.
>
> In some computers, there's no "detecting" at all.  It's a mechanical
> switch in the headphone socket, and the front and rear panel sockets are
> often different (e.g. a simple one on the front).
>
> Detecting a connection made to *any* socket, without requiring special
> sockets, would require electronics designed for that (detecting a DC
> change, impedance loading change, etc.).
>
>
Hi, Tim

You are right.

In fact, the problem was my computer case connectors, for the front panel.
I found out later that there are two types of Header connectors:
AC97 and HDA. The new standard, HDA, allows jack detection.
But the majority of computer cases still come with the old AC97 Header,
which does not allow jack detection:

Please, see figures on page 20 and 25 of the link below.

http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/A2928604-005.pdf

The good part is that Takashi Iwai (alsa developer) introduced new "models"
for some codecs, which allow the use of the front panel, even without jack
detection.

The alsa snapshot I am using right now, fixed all my problems. I can hear
both, the speakers on the back and headphones on the front, simoutaneously,
each one with a different mixer control.

I think these new drivers will be available for the public in the next alsa
release.

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Re: PackageKit major annoyances

2008-12-19 Thread suvayu ali

2008/12/19 Richard Hughes 

> > Even if you could intelligently, post installation, switch away from
> > root back to the user who started installing things, do you really
> > want thirty recently installed programs run to set them up?  I don't!
>
> Right, maybe we need a:
>
> [x] Do not show this dialog anymore
>

Although the reason you mentioned for moving to this paradigm in an earlier
post seems reasonable, it might prove to be an annoyance when someone is
setting up the system after a fresh install and knows what packages he/she
wants.

However an option like this would be a good compromise.

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Dennis Gilmore

On Friday 19 December 2008 11:17:10 am Phil Meyer wrote:
> Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port
> 25 connections at my location.
AFAIK at least in the area i'm in they have always blocked port 25. While it 
sucks  its certainly common practice amongst ISP's all over the world.

Dennis

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starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file

2008-12-19 Thread Ali, Saqib

Hello All,

I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous
downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem like
that it can do that.

Any thoughts?

saqib
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=792385601

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Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25


Phil Meyer wrote:


Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port 
25 connections at my location.


I collect several mailing lists at my home domain which I have 
maintained for many years.


Plus, it has always been nice to have an email box that I could run my 
own spam filters on.


Because MicroSoft has created such a huge mess with spambots and the 
like, I have lost another privilege that not long ago was assumed, and 
now falls into a business only category.


I do not blame the consumers who are duped into buying computers with a 
pre-installed OS.


It is so VERY annoying that step by step, we lose individual freedoms 
because of corporate greed and incompetence.


Its somewhat like being in jail for something you did not do.  Or so it 
seems to me.


Sorry for the rant.



Quick-fix:  move the subscriptions to a comcast.net account (you can 
probably set up several email accounts associated with your existing 
comcast service) or a free gmail account.  Run fetchmail periodically to 
pull messages via POP and redeliver on your own server.  Everything else 
works the same.  If you use gmail, you can configure their server to 
'archive' messages as you download via pop so you can delete copies from 
your server as you read them and still be able to use the web interface 
to gmail to search for something later.   Or, just set up an imap client 
directly with gmail and not bother with your own server.


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Re: Making firefox look like IE

2008-12-19 Thread Jim


?? wrote:




user agent switcher, on the mozilla repository of add-ons

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59

I used it with the latest update of firefox, does work ok.

Once installed, it appears under the top pull down menu "tools".

J





Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:22:18 -0600
From: Aaron Konstam 
Subject: Making firefox look like IE
To: fedora-list 
Message-ID: <1229700138.2521.13.ca...@localhost.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain

There is plugin that makes firefox look to external servers like IE.
Does anyone know where it is and how to install it?


A lot of school kids that do there studies online to their school, 
require IE , User Agent Switcher
doesn't always work, there is away that IE can be installed in Linux to 
do the job, http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation


My sister has to communicate from home to her place of employment and 
ie4linux solved her problem using FC8.


I know IE has a big HOLE in it, but this method is a lot cheaper than 
having to go out and buy a $Windows box to communicate with School or Work.


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OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25

2008-12-19 Thread Phil Meyer



Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port 
25 connections at my location.


I collect several mailing lists at my home domain which I have 
maintained for many years.


Plus, it has always been nice to have an email box that I could run my 
own spam filters on.


Because MicroSoft has created such a huge mess with spambots and the 
like, I have lost another privilege that not long ago was assumed, and 
now falls into a business only category.


I do not blame the consumers who are duped into buying computers with a 
pre-installed OS.


It is so VERY annoying that step by step, we lose individual freedoms 
because of corporate greed and incompetence.


Its somewhat like being in jail for something you did not do.  Or so it 
seems to me.


Sorry for the rant.

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Re: home directory

On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 16:40 +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > try 'echo ~/$LOGNAME' to get logged in user and directory
> 
> As you'd notice if you tried it before posting this doesn't work and
> couldn't possibly work.

why would he want to give advice that actually works?

This is something that I've worked through...

#!/bin/sh
#
getent passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 499 && $3 < 1 \
 { print $1 }' | grep -v '\$' > /tmp/users

Which just gives me a list of known users with uid between 500 and
1...

A slight adjustment gives me their home directories...

getent passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 499 && $3 < 1 \
 { print $1" - "$6 }' | grep -v '\$'

which might be useful to OP noting that I use the 'grep -v '\$' to
remove the Samba/Domain Workstations and that I use LDAP rather and
therefore am using getent rather than 'cat' the file /etc/passwd.

Or lastly, this might be useful...

# cat users_get_home
#!/bin/sh
#
getent passwd | grep $1 | awk -F: '{ print $6 }'

# ./users_get_home craig
/home/users/craig

Craig

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Re: more DNS problems (F10)

2008-12-19 Thread Tim

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 22:30 -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
> I don't understand ... nslookup finds the right value, but ping
> reports unknown host

Since you mention *understanding* the issue.  The simple answer is they
use different mechanisms for resolving the name.  One of which exposes a
recently introduced problem.

There's been quite a lot about this DNS issue lately, with various
workarounds offered to sidestep the problem.  The ones that I've seen
work for some users, but not for others, and don't actually fix the
problem.

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Re: Lets test the h...@!! out of KDE4.2 before it releases...

2008-12-19 Thread Raman Gupta

Mark wrote:
> The first thing i did is set folder view as my desktop.
> there is something strange in kde. I have a 8600GT (nvidia) card and
> installed the drivers yet all the graphical effects seem to be
> slowish..

Try following the instructions here and see if that makes any difference:

http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA

Cheers,
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Re: Lost audio on headphones (F9)

2008-12-19 Thread Tim

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 05:45 -0200, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
> Unfortunately, some boards only detect the presence of jacks connected
> to the back of the computer. Plugging, say a headphone, to the front
> does not change anything.

In some computers, there's no "detecting" at all.  It's a mechanical
switch in the headphone socket, and the front and rear panel sockets are
often different (e.g. a simple one on the front).

Detecting a connection made to *any* socket, without requiring special
sockets, would require electronics designed for that (detecting a DC
change, impedance loading change, etc.).

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Re: More screensavers for Gnome

2008-12-19 Thread Paul Smith

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Chris Snook  wrote:
>> Is there some rpm with more Gnome screensavers beyond the basic ones?
>
> Yes, for the full list:
>
> yum search screensaver

Thanks, Chris, but the point is: which one works with Gnome?

Paul

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Re: How do you start the desktops that come with Fedora 10

2008-12-19 Thread Rex Dieter

Dave Feustel wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 03:36:58PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Morris.Marshael wrote:
>> > How do you start the desktops that come with Fedora 10 and what desktop
>> > can be added?
>> 
>> The available desktops are, in alphabetical order:
>> GNOME, KDE 4, LXDE and XFCE
> 
> yum groupinstall LXDE fails (not found).
...
>> or you can use command-line yum:
>> su -c "yum groupinstall gnome-desktop kde-desktop lxde-desktop
>> xfce-desktop" will install them all.

^^^
maybe because you didn't follow the directions. :)

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Re: Lets test the h...@!! out of KDE4.2 before it releases...

2008-12-19 Thread Rex Dieter

Mark wrote:


> Any ideas what's wrong?

My $$ is on nvidia driver (unfortunately).

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Re: install questions

2008-12-19 Thread Kevin Kempter

On Friday 19 December 2008 07:40:33 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:49:24AM -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > Hi All;
> >
> > I just installed Fedora 10 and I immediately enabled the rpmfusion repos.
> > I did a yum update and the rpmfusion repos were updated. I rebooted and
> > did another yum update and got "No Packages marked for Update"
> >
> > I would think there would be updates to apply.. The kernel that the
> > install process installed for me is 2.6.27.7-134.fc10.x86_64  Is this the
> > latest?
> >
> > Have I done something wrong?
>
> Not at all, that kernel is the latest.


Thanks for the confirmation. So it seems that the install pulled packages from 
the internet since the install DVD I used is several weeks old



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Re: Access a SMB share in Nautilus and terminal window