Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
Hi all, I think about creating a graphic's theme on the release number just to have something different from the Acient Greek theme. Maybe I've got to write on the wiki something, but right now, my proposal still only on my mind and I'ven't got nothing to share... :( I don't understand what we have to do for this first round and what's the final round 1 date? Hi again thanks Samuele - Original Message - From: Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.org To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009 8:55:00 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark a écrit : | So, to get back on my initial topic.. | How do you guys feel about a full theme in the old fedora (Core 1 till | 4) colors? | The link with the F11 name is (just making it up now) : Reviving old | days. (the name represents something old and the theme represents the | beginning years of fedora). Ugh! No thanks. Luya Can hear complain that Fedora Art suck because they rehash an very old theme. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkls8ZIACgkQa10Jb0NOz+HV/ACeK2CB28GV5gK8ntbheTOd6Awy gKAAn2VXS5SFQ5OOKX3rv+2Zx4hHS8VP =dBtc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all, I think about creating a graphic's theme on the release number just to have something different from the Acient Greek theme. We avoid using release numbers in the artwork so people who like the artwork for a particular release can keep using it in later versions. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
Samuele Storari wrote: Maybe I've got to write on the wiki something, but right now, my proposal still only on my mind and I'ven't got nothing to share... :( I don't understand what we have to do for this first round and what's the final round 1 date? Oh I forgot to answer this, I apologize! We're doing things a little differently this time. We are going to try to work together on one idea this time. We need to figure out the visual concept for F11 (if we are going to go Greek vs. go something related to the Navy or to the Perfect Mean) by Feb 1 which is coming up very soon. The deadlines and description of what we are doing along with our brainstorming is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11 Looking forward to your ideas! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Wallpaper survey
Hey folks, In case you didn't catch it on planet Fedora, I have been running an informal survey of the desktop backgrounds folks are using (getting responses from both Fedora and GNOME community members.) I've gotten a LOT of replies, check them out: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/68292.html So far as I've been able to read through them, they seem to fit into 3 categories: - #1 stick with the default (distro default or desktop env default) or flat solid color - #2 personalized no matter what (photos they took themselves or photos of family members) or a photo of an interest hobby (racecars, bikes, hometown, etc) - #3 beautiful pictures of nature, usually with some depth So I think as we are still thinking about our approach to F11, we should think about these wallpapers that folks are actually using and try to create something that they will like having as their desktop background as much as possible. #2 would be impossible for us to do, but #3 we can most certainly do. Looking at it this way, maybe for the wallpaper we could have a beautiful landscape with maybe some Grecian elements, maybe ruins of Grecian columns or a garden stylized in a Grecian way (maybe with some sculpture) and maybe we could follow the Golden Mean in laying out the elements of the image. What do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26:17AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, In case you didn't catch it on planet Fedora, I have been running an informal survey of the desktop backgrounds folks are using (getting responses from both Fedora and GNOME community members.) I've gotten a LOT of replies, check them out: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/68292.html So far as I've been able to read through them, they seem to fit into 3 categories: - #1 stick with the default (distro default or desktop env default) or flat solid color - #2 personalized no matter what (photos they took themselves or photos of family members) or a photo of an interest hobby (racecars, bikes, hometown, etc) - #3 beautiful pictures of nature, usually with some depth So I think as we are still thinking about our approach to F11, we should think about these wallpapers that folks are actually using and try to create something that they will like having as their desktop background as much as possible. #2 would be impossible for us to do, but #3 we can most certainly do. Looking at it this way, maybe for the wallpaper we could have a beautiful landscape with maybe some Grecian elements, maybe ruins of Grecian columns or a garden stylized in a Grecian way (maybe with some sculpture) and maybe we could follow the Golden Mean in laying out the elements of the image. What do you think? I really like that we're asking users to tell us what they do with their desktop backgrounds, and using that to inform how we deliver something they'll like (and hopefully use). Great idea! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpPBozVYYMdv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
DesingService: Join Fedora QA Logo
Hello everyone! Reading (again) the DesignService web I saw a request for a Join FedoraQA Logo; I made a small[0] one keeping the style of the logos that already are there on the join-fedora url [1]. What do you think? works? :S [0] http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/varios/QA.png [1] http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora note: I'm sending copy to the QA-team to get their feedback too -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated EDU SIG Artwork Request
Updated. http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/EduSig/thumb_wallpaper3a.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/EduSig/thumb_wallpaper3b.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/EduSig/thumb_wallpaper3c.png 2009/1/23 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro Máirín Duffy wrote: María Leandro wrote: http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/EduSig/thumb_wallpaper2.jpg http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/EduSig/thumb_wallpaper3.jpg Me too, my favorite is wallpaper 3. Me too :p It is much stronger than the other A couple quick comments: - I would take the outline that is around the infinity symbol in the Fedora logo out. You want to make sure you are using the logo according to the usage guidelines [1] which prohibit this kind of treatment. I saw that coming... - Instead of using a specialized font for the EDU, I would maybe just write out Education in MgOpen Modata. It would fit in nicely with our secondary branding scheme then. I love the bright colors and I also like how the focus of the graphics is on the lower right, although maybe this graphic is too busy for a wallpaper. I think it would be really nice for splashes and other branding materials though, and maybe you could pull out the pencils/sun and just have a slightly desaturated version of the sky+clouds for the wallpaper? And pay more attention to the light source and direction. Your primary light source is the sun, so it think: - pencil shadows on the ground should be directed to the down-left; - the pencil shadows on the other pencils should go the opposite way; - the light rays should originate from the sun, not from the ground. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.latinux.com http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
Ian Weller wrote: However with the Grecian columns and stuff we need to be careful of not looking ancient, as some might say, but instead looking functional, practical, etc. Yes definitely. Like if the columns are ruins, we don't want to give off the message that Fedora is in ruins or something like that. We want to highlight the positive aspects... eg rather than posing Fedora as the column, if we've got say a pretty columns-ruins landscape, pose fedora as the vines and plants and nature growing on top of the the old columns (the columns then become the establishment/proprietary software) Then it becomes more, 'Fedora - making proprietary OSes history' rather than 'Fedora is old broken crap!' :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 04:48:27PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: However with the Grecian columns and stuff we need to be careful of not looking ancient, as some might say, but instead looking functional, practical, etc. Yes definitely. Like if the columns are ruins, we don't want to give off the message that Fedora is in ruins or something like that. We want to highlight the positive aspects... eg rather than posing Fedora as the column, if we've got say a pretty columns-ruins landscape, pose fedora as the vines and plants and nature growing on top of the the old columns (the columns then become the establishment/proprietary software) Then it becomes more, 'Fedora - making proprietary OSes history' rather than 'Fedora is old broken crap!' :) There is the connotation of vines/kudzu as a vegetation pest rather than something more positive. I could be stretching a bit for that interpretation, though. Another idea: Atlas is a Greek mythological figure (a Titan, actually) that held up the world. Note the similarity in the way that Fedora contributes to the FOSS community when we're doing it right. Does this spur any design thoughts for anyone? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpWgPasBUR34.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, In case you didn't catch it on planet Fedora, I have been running an informal survey of the desktop backgrounds folks are using (getting responses from both Fedora and GNOME community members.) Adminning around my group I found two interesting themes that people like (apart from the usual). 1: A picture of their actual desk. With their notes and scribbles and pieces of equipment and such. This looks really good. I encourage people to try it. 2: Four bold colour landscapes or even just solid colours for each time of the day (morning:blue, noon:white, evening:red, night:black). That way they know what time of the day it is (PhDs can not tell the time of day) and what time to go home. Much brighter than the ones by default. Interestingly they like to do this by overwriting the default background png files (in this case the FC8 infinity ones) rather than making a new xml. They generally feel that the default ones are not different enough to tell apart, but that might not be a bad thing. These are not necessarily the ways we wish to go with the default background but just to answer the enquiry. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 17:44 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 04:48:27PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: However with the Grecian columns and stuff we need to be careful of not looking ancient, as some might say, but instead looking functional, practical, etc. Yes definitely. Like if the columns are ruins, we don't want to give off the message that Fedora is in ruins or something like that. We want to highlight the positive aspects... eg rather than posing Fedora as the column, if we've got say a pretty columns-ruins landscape, pose fedora as the vines and plants and nature growing on top of the the old columns (the columns then become the establishment/proprietary software) Then it becomes more, 'Fedora - making proprietary OSes history' rather than 'Fedora is old broken crap!' :) There is the connotation of vines/kudzu as a vegetation pest rather than something more positive. I could be stretching a bit for that interpretation, though. It just needs to be the right vine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clematis -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazquez...@gmail.com PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Koji: ServerOffline
Jitesh Shah wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 17:17 +0100, Oliver Falk wrote: Mike McLean wrote: I wonder if it would log this error in a way you know what's going on :-) Jitesh, can you check the logs as suggested by Mike, although it's fixed now, I'd like to know if you see the error there... I checked the logs. There is just a python traceback and the actual error ServerOffline: Database Outage' (This is with KojiDebug off) With KojiDebug turned on, it additionally shows the queries executed and the time taken for each. Nothing that would point to an incorrect configuration or a failure in database connection. Fine. Then it wasn't wrong to give you the strace hint :-) -of -- Fedora-buildsys-list mailing list Fedora-buildsys-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-buildsys-list
Re: Koji: ServerOffline
Jitesh Shah wrote: I checked the logs. There is just a python traceback and the actual error ServerOffline: Database Outage' (This is with KojiDebug off) 'just' a python traceback? Often these are the key to the mystery. -- Fedora-buildsys-list mailing list Fedora-buildsys-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-buildsys-list
[Bug 481279] New: Missing obsoletes statement for %{fontname}-common-fonts
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Summary: Missing obsoletes statement for %{fontname}-common-fonts
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481279
Summary: Missing obsoletes statement for
%{fontname}-common-fonts
Product: Fedora
Version: rawhide
Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: medium
Priority: low
Component: baekmuk-ttf-fonts
AssignedTo: ccha...@redhat.com
ReportedBy: quen...@armitage.org.uk
QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: peter...@redhat.com, ccha...@redhat.com,
fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com,
fedora-i18n-b...@redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
Description of problem:
Attempting yum update of baekmuk-ttf-fonts-common fails sating conflict against
baekmuk-ttf-common-fonts 2.2.13
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
2.2.15
How reproducible:
Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.yum update
2.
3.
Actual results:
Reports conflict eror described above
Expected results:
Successful update
Additional info:
in the %package -n %{fontname}-fonts-common section of the .spec file, should
there be an obsoletes %{fontname}-common-fonts 2.2.13(or is it 2.2.14 -
common-fonts was last in version 2.2.13).
I also noticed that when I had 2.2.13 installed, there was a
baekmuk-fonts-common version 2.2.10 still installed, and presumably that should
have been obsoleted by a previous update?
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[Bug 477044] [Tracker] Deploy new font packaging guidelines for Fedora 11
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477044 Bug 477044 depends on bug 477461, which changed state. Bug 477461 Summary: Please convert to new font packaging guidelines https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477461 What|Old Value |New Value Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Resolution||RAWHIDE -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 477461] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477461 Sarantis Paskalis paska...@di.uoa.gr changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Resolution||RAWHIDE --- Comment #20 from Sarantis Paskalis paska...@di.uoa.gr 2009-01-23 07:14:16 EDT --- Ah, sorry forgot that one from the EOL procedure. Blocked from dist-f11 in koji (https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1243). Thanks -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 480473] [slingshot] Adapt to font package renamings
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480473 Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #3 from Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net 2009-01-23 08:59:05 EDT --- Needs freefont to be renamed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 457947] Review Request: oldstandard-sfd-fonts - Old Standard Fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457947 --- Comment #35 from Ankur Sinha ankursi...@fedoraproject.org 2009-01-23 09:23:51 EDT --- New Package CVS Request === Package Name: oldstandard-sfd-fonts Short Description: Old Standard True-Type Fonts Owners: ankursinha Branches: F-9 F-10 InitialCC: fonts-sig -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 457955] Review Request: bonvenocf-fonts - BonvenoCF font
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457955 --- Comment #25 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net 2009-01-23 09:56:08 EDT --- Please be more careful, infra will create a component with the exact name you give in your cvs request, and your srpm will have to be named the same way of this component. Please adjust your demand to the final agreed-on name -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 477408] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477408 Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net changed: What|Removed |Added CC||l...@jcomserv.net --- Comment #4 from Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net 2009-01-23 11:16:56 EDT --- Hi, I'm the moodle maintainer, and I need khmeros-fonts to comply before I can bring moodle into compliance so I thought I'd offer suggestions or assistance. I could: 1. Offer my observations on what needs to be done. 2. Provide a patched spec. 3. Change, commit and build the thing myself (after your review if you like, or course), as I'm a provenpackager member. 4. Butt out. :) Any of these sound appealing? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 457955] Review Request: bonvenocf-fonts - BonvenoCF font
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[Bug 477044] [Tracker] Deploy new font packaging guidelines for Fedora 11
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[Bug 477416] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477416 Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Resolution||RAWHIDE --- Comment #21 from Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net 2009-01-23 12:33:44 EDT --- Cool. Fixed in rawhide, added to comps. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 450699] lohit-fonts: Errors in sh and shrI in Lohit Tamil font
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450699 --- Comment #3 from Padmanabhan V. K. bugzillas+padremovethi...@gmail.com 2009-01-23 12:42:27 EDT --- (In reply to comment #2) In my case I found the same issue with Lohit Tamil with the Pango rendering engine (used in GTK+/GNOME/etc.). Downloading the source for my version of Pango and changing one of its file worked for me. The latest version of the pango file can be viewed here: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/pango/trunk/modules/indic/indic-ot-class-tables.c?revision=2684view=markup In the array tamlCharClasses[], entry 55 (corresponding to unicode character 0BB6) should be changed to _ct instead of _xx for sh, shaa, shi, etc. to be rendered properly. If I can get over my laziness I'll probably file a bug for this on Pango. I found that there is already a bug for this in Pango: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481203 This was also tracked here in bug 218905 which has since been closed for being filed against an old rawhide version. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=127113 shows the rendering with the fix in Pango (with no fix required in Lohit Tamil for this particular issue). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 480928] Fontconfig makes GStreamer plugin crash
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rpms/fontconfig/devel .cvsignore, 1.34, 1.35 fontconfig.spec, 1.116, 1.117 sources, 1.35, 1.36
Author: behdad
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/fontconfig/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv16180
Modified Files:
.cvsignore fontconfig.spec sources
Log Message:
* Fri Jan 23 2009 Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com -
* 2.6.94-1.git.65.g628ee83
- Update to 2.6.94-1.git.65.g628ee83
Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/fontconfig/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.34
retrieving revision 1.35
diff -u -r1.34 -r1.35
--- .cvsignore 21 Jan 2009 01:17:23 - 1.34
+++ .cvsignore 23 Jan 2009 19:21:24 - 1.35
@@ -1 +1 @@
-fontconfig-2.6.93.tar.gz
+fontconfig-2.6.94.tar.gz
Index: fontconfig.spec
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RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/fontconfig/devel/fontconfig.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.116
retrieving revision 1.117
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Summary: Font configuration and customization library
Name: fontconfig
-Version: 2.6.93
-Release: 1.git.64.g6aa4dce%{?dist}
+Version: 2.6.94
+Release: 1.git.65.g628ee83%{?dist}
License: MIT
Group: System Environment/Libraries
Source: http://fontconfig.org/release/fontconfig-%{version}.tar.gz
@@ -131,6 +131,9 @@
%{_mandir}/man3/*
%changelog
+* Fri Jan 23 2009 Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com -
2.6.94-1.git.65.g628ee83
+- Update to 2.6.94-1.git.65.g628ee83
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* Mon Jan 20 2009 Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com -
2.6.93-1.git.64.g6aa4dce
- Update to 2.6.93-1.git.64.g6aa4dce
Index: sources
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RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/fontconfig/devel/sources,v
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-f5050687560a61a87781c34fdf6a65d9 fontconfig-2.6.93.tar.gz
+ba79ff72570a91698fb2f76ef255e5e4 fontconfig-2.6.94.tar.gz
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Author: nim Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/google-droid-fonts/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv32353/F-10 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: NOTICE README.txt google-droid-fonts-sans-fontconfig.conf google-droid-fonts-sans-mono-fontconfig.conf google-droid-fonts-serif-fontconfig.conf google-droid-fonts.spec import.log Log Message: initial import --- NEW FILE NOTICE --- Copyright (c) 2005-2008, The Android Open Source Project Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the License); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is distributed on an AS IS BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the specific language governing permissions and limitations under the License. Apache License Version 2.0, January 2004 http://www.apache.org/licenses/ TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR USE, REPRODUCTION, AND DISTRIBUTION 1. Definitions. License shall mean the terms and conditions for use, reproduction, and distribution as defined by Sections 1 through 9 of this document. Licensor shall mean the copyright owner or entity authorized by the copyright owner that is granting the License. Legal Entity shall mean the union of the acting entity and all other entities that control, are controlled by, or are under common control with that entity. For the purposes of this definition, control means (i) the power, direct or indirect, to cause the direction or management of such entity, whether by contract or otherwise, or (ii) ownership of fifty percent (50%) or more of the outstanding shares, or (iii) beneficial ownership of such entity. You (or Your) shall mean an individual or Legal Entity exercising permissions granted by this License. Source form shall mean the preferred form for making modifications, including but not limited to software source code, documentation source, and configuration files. Object form shall mean any form resulting from mechanical transformation or translation of a Source form, including but not limited to compiled object code, generated documentation, and conversions to other media types. Work shall mean the work of authorship, whether in Source or Object form, made available under the License, as indicated by a copyright notice that is included in or attached to the work (an example is provided in the Appendix below). Derivative Works shall mean any work, whether in Source or Object form, that is based on (or derived from) the Work and for which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship. For the purposes of this License, Derivative Works shall not include works that remain separable from, or merely link (or bind by name) to the interfaces of, the Work and Derivative Works thereof. Contribution shall mean any work of authorship, including the original version of the Work and any modifications or additions to that Work or Derivative Works thereof, that is intentionally submitted to Licensor for inclusion in the Work by the copyright owner or by an individual or Legal Entity authorized to submit on behalf of the copyright owner. For the purposes of this definition, submitted means any form of electronic, verbal, or written communication sent to the Licensor or its representatives, including but not limited to communication on electronic mailing lists, source code control systems, and issue tracking systems that are managed by, or on behalf of, the Licensor for the purpose of discussing and improving the Work, but excluding communication that is conspicuously marked or otherwise designated in writing by the copyright owner as Not a Contribution. Contributor shall mean Licensor and any individual or Legal Entity on behalf of whom a Contribution has been received by Licensor and subsequently incorporated within the Work. 2. Grant of Copyright License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Work and such Derivative Works in Source or Object form. 3. Grant of Patent License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a
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Author: nim Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/google-droid-fonts/F-9 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv32377/F-9 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: NOTICE README.txt google-droid-fonts-sans-fontconfig.conf google-droid-fonts-sans-mono-fontconfig.conf google-droid-fonts-serif-fontconfig.conf google-droid-fonts.spec import.log Log Message: initial import --- NEW FILE NOTICE --- Copyright (c) 2005-2008, The Android Open Source Project Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the License); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is distributed on an AS IS BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the specific language governing permissions and limitations under the License. Apache License Version 2.0, January 2004 http://www.apache.org/licenses/ TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR USE, REPRODUCTION, AND DISTRIBUTION 1. Definitions. License shall mean the terms and conditions for use, reproduction, and distribution as defined by Sections 1 through 9 of this document. Licensor shall mean the copyright owner or entity authorized by the copyright owner that is granting the License. Legal Entity shall mean the union of the acting entity and all other entities that control, are controlled by, or are under common control with that entity. For the purposes of this definition, control means (i) the power, direct or indirect, to cause the direction or management of such entity, whether by contract or otherwise, or (ii) ownership of fifty percent (50%) or more of the outstanding shares, or (iii) beneficial ownership of such entity. You (or Your) shall mean an individual or Legal Entity exercising permissions granted by this License. Source form shall mean the preferred form for making modifications, including but not limited to software source code, documentation source, and configuration files. Object form shall mean any form resulting from mechanical transformation or translation of a Source form, including but not limited to compiled object code, generated documentation, and conversions to other media types. Work shall mean the work of authorship, whether in Source or Object form, made available under the License, as indicated by a copyright notice that is included in or attached to the work (an example is provided in the Appendix below). Derivative Works shall mean any work, whether in Source or Object form, that is based on (or derived from) the Work and for which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship. For the purposes of this License, Derivative Works shall not include works that remain separable from, or merely link (or bind by name) to the interfaces of, the Work and Derivative Works thereof. Contribution shall mean any work of authorship, including the original version of the Work and any modifications or additions to that Work or Derivative Works thereof, that is intentionally submitted to Licensor for inclusion in the Work by the copyright owner or by an individual or Legal Entity authorized to submit on behalf of the copyright owner. For the purposes of this definition, submitted means any form of electronic, verbal, or written communication sent to the Licensor or its representatives, including but not limited to communication on electronic mailing lists, source code control systems, and issue tracking systems that are managed by, or on behalf of, the Licensor for the purpose of discussing and improving the Work, but excluding communication that is conspicuously marked or otherwise designated in writing by the copyright owner as Not a Contribution. Contributor shall mean Licensor and any individual or Legal Entity on behalf of whom a Contribution has been received by Licensor and subsequently incorporated within the Work. 2. Grant of Copyright License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Work and such Derivative Works in Source or Object form. 3. Grant of Patent License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a
[Bug 477440] Please convert to new font packaging guidelines
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477440 --- Comment #11 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2009-01-23 21:39:56 EDT --- php-ZendFramework-1.7.2-1.fc10 has been pushed to the Fedora 10 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
Re: Issues with Kontact/Kmail distribution list
On Friday 23 January 2009 00:00:54 Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi all; I'm running Fedora 10 KDE I go into the address book and create a distribution list, save it as say 'test_dist' This works fine, I can go back and look at it and I see the email addresses I've added to it. While I have the distribution list editor open (in the address book) I can click on the link of the distribution list name and an email compose window pops up with all the email addresses in the to field just as I expect. However: If I click (in the mail window) on 'new message' and type in the name of the new dist list in the to field the name is entered simply as 'test_dist' which should be fine but when I send the mail it attempts to send to test_d...@myhostname in my case it tries to go to: test_d...@issac.consistentstate.com (this is my local laptop hostname) and of course it fails to send (rather I get a permanent failure email back) Thoughts ? Yes, I had that problem - filed a bug report too. However, my F10 is updating from updates-testing and from kde-redhat, and somewhere in the last week or so an update has fixed this. If you can, just hang on and the relevant update will hit the main repos. Note to self - should update the bug report. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: skype and sms
Hi list, I have found the answer here http://linux-iamfree.blogspot.com/ Regards Adel 2009/1/16 Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org Adel ESSAFI wrote: Hi list I want to send SMS with skype. I found this extra http://www.kolmann.at/philipp/linux/skysentials/ The developper just says to have python and to have skype4py in the same directory. I have extracted skysentiels in skype4py but I don't know how to use it. can you help please regards Adel I assume you didn't get my reply in the other mailing list you posted this to? I believe you need to set the executable bit on the app and then run it. It shouldn't be any more difficult than that. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique 1001 Tunis Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to adapt F9 initrd to new motherboard/chipset, was: F9 doesn't find swap or /root system on new motherboard
M. Fioretti wrote: I had fedora 9 x86_64 merrily running on an AMD /ASUS A8N-VM CSM motherboard with nVidia chipset (GE6150). The board died without warning, check these pages before you give up on mainboard; http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/capacitor-failures-plague-motherboard-vendors-2003027/ http://ask.metafilter.com/20940/Blown-capacitors-and-power-supply-problems http://www.badcaps.net/ and if you want more; http://www.google.com/search?num=20hl=enlr=lang_enas_qdr=allq=capacitor+AND+%22bad+OR+fail%22+AND+%22power+supply%22btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=enas_q=capacitor+AND+%22bad+OR+fail%22+AND+%22mainboard%22as_epq=as_oq=as_eq=num=20lr=lang_enas_filetype=ft=ias_sitesearch=as_qdr=allas_rights=as_occt=anycr=as_nlo=as_nhi=safe=images -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
A bug in syslogd?
I did a simple thing - modified my syslog.conf: cat /etc/syslog.conf mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /var/log/messages So virtually, there is nothing to go to /var/log/messages, although my dmesg's output did output a lot of other stuffas I instrumented the kernel to do printk()something like every file traversal will generate several entries in dmesg output. Nevertheless, since /var/log/messages to get, as I check, its content is always zero (after I did an initial truncation) - why is syslogd showing such a high performance: First snapshot: 27790 root 20 0 268m 203m 14m S 4.3 20.2 2:38.36 opera 3459 root 20 0 315m 33m 8160 S 2.6 3.3 8:16.22 Xorg 532 root 15 -5 000 S 0.3 0.0 0:01.13 ata/0 2417 root 20 0 1888 648 548 S 0.3 0.1 0:01.73 syslogd 3770 root 20 0 73928 10m 4688 S 0.3 1.0 0:15.76 gnome-terminal 3772 root 20 0 5092 532 484 S 0.3 0.1 0:00.16 wpa_supplicant 28349 root 20 0 2344 1028 788 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.05 top 1 root 20 0 2224 604 564 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.11 init Next snapshot: 3459 root 20 0 315m 33m 8160 S 11.2 3.3 8:18.51 Xorg 2420 root 20 0 1828 460 392 R 1.9 0.0 0:01.82 klogd 27790 root 20 0 268m 203m 14m S 1.9 20.2 2:39.87 opera 28350 root 20 0 2340 936 700 R 1.9 0.1 0:00.01 top 1 root 20 0 2224 604 564 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.11 init 2 root 15 -5 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd 3 root RT -5 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 4 root 15 -5 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.40 ksoftirqd/0 5 root RT -5 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0 Over a period of time, I observed that klogd and syslogd is toggling to be among the top few candidate all the time - toggling, meaning switching between one and another. Can someone explained this behavior? Shouldn't the syslogd be consuming almost zero cpu % since there is zero output to /var/log/messages? PS: I did restart syslogd after /etc/syslogd.conf modification. -- Regards, Peter Teoh -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: A bug in syslogd?
On 23Jan2009 17:34, Peter Teoh htmldevelo...@gmail.com wrote: | I did a simple thing - modified my syslog.conf: | | cat /etc/syslog.conf | mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /var/log/messages | | So virtually, there is nothing to go to /var/log/messages, although my | dmesg's output did output a lot of other stuffas I instrumented | the kernel to do printk()something like every file traversal will | generate several entries in dmesg output. | | Nevertheless, since /var/log/messages to get, as I check, its content | is always zero (after I did an initial truncation) - why is syslogd | showing such a high performance: [...] | Over a period of time, I observed that klogd and syslogd is toggling | to be among the top few candidate all the time - toggling, meaning | switching between one and another. | | Can someone explained this behavior? Shouldn't the syslogd be | consuming almost zero cpu % since there is zero output to | /var/log/messages? Not really. Your kernel logging is still _all_ going through syslogd, which is quietly deciding not to _copy_ it into the messages file. But it still has to consider and then discard) every kernel message. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ Anagram: Information superhighway == I'm on a huge wispy rhino fart. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 02:36 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 02:19 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 01:00 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up. rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially. The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them. How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ? Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able to make fairly good recovery with something like: # mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted # mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download # yumdownloader `sed -e s/.rpm$//g /root/rpmpkgs.backup` # rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin with. Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var on? - Panu - It just end up with disk full !! you have to fix that - there's no way you can have a working software package system with a full disk - it just gets corrupted. Of course, I did it !! maybe you don't have enough space yet... what's output of... df -h /dev/sdc5 2.9G 1.8G 961M 66% / /dev/mapper/VG1-usr 6.9G 4.1G 2.5G 63% /usr /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_lib 6.0G 2.0G 3.7G 35% /usr/lib /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_local 5.0G 1.8G 3.0G 38% /usr/local /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_src 5.0G 1.4G 3.4G 29% /usr/src /dev/mapper/VG1-tmp 2.0G 263M 1.7G 14% /tmp /dev/mapper/VG1-home 8.9G 4.9G 3.6G 58% /home /dev/mapper/VG1-iso_image OK - small hard drive is killing you but if this doesn't work... rm -fr /var/lib/rpm/__* rpm --rebuilddb then your only hope for fixing this would be to follow the instructions here... http://www.rpm.org/wiki/Docs/RpmRecovery OK, but /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_sta is not part of rpm for fedora ! Regards -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: service
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: On 1/22/2009 6:47 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, What is the service/daemon with make that rpm db is regularly locked ? yum-update ? It is not running ! Another thing, are the lock managed ? Many times if I make a rpm -qa and I interrupt it, then their is a lock and I have to restart the machine. How can I manage thsi. Thank -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: updateing ARGHH.
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Michael Comperchio wrote: When I run the 'Update System' 'cuz it's telling me I have updates... I get the following errors: libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.5-1.fc10.i386 libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.16-1.fc10.i386 libavcodec.so.51 is needed by package k3b-extras-freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 : Success - empty transaction and the update fails. Unfortunately for the silly updater...I HAVE that file install in /usr/lib... in fact I have .51 .51.71 and .52 installed ... what's up? TIA Michael It is telling you that it could not update libavcodec because it is needed by those packages. Mikkel Well, I decided to use KDE as my desktop and finally figured out what was broke. I had no music playback! So I played and thought and played and thought finally decided to uninstall the packages that seemed (from the conflict error messages) to conflict. libavutil49 was the culprit. After yum remove that I was able to yum install the xine* k3b* and gstreamer* that I had removed. Those installations seemed to add back in what I had removed with libav*. I'm still going back to GNOME though. I can't really give a reason. I like some of the KDE apps. KWord is perfect for my needs. OpenOffice doesn't render stuff correctly on my display/video combination (GeForce 440/Compaq monitor) and I prefer Dolphin to Nautilus. But they run on GNOME so no problem Thanks again for all the help guys Happy Feet Michael -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: network traffic analyzer
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 21:00 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: I'm looking for a web based (graphs) solution for (real-time) network traffic on a Linux (Fedora) router. Perhaps MRTG? I'm not sure if it can do individual protocol graphing, though. I've never tried that. I just use it to keep an eye on overall network throughput. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: network traffic analyzer
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 21:00 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: I'm looking for a web based (graphs) solution for (real-time) network traffic on a Linux (Fedora) router. I currently use iptraf to catch bandwidth usage and type of usage, but I'd love a more accessible interface. For a single box, ntop is what you're looking for. Be forewarned though - traceing ALL packages (which ntop will do) takes a lot of disk-space. Your /var will grow considerable. But the stats are very very nice! ntop is a hunk of trash. It's extremely slow and also presents data like RRTG/PRTG. All over the place. Well, you wanted detailed graphs? I would exactly call the output pretty but it's there, sorted all kinds of ways. -All interfaces graphed. darkstat is limited to one interface AFAIK. -Breakdown of traffic type. common ports like HTTP, SSH, etc would be good enough. -Breakdown of host traffic. I'd like to see per IP traffic in real time. -Real time filtering. darkstat requires a restart to filter IPs or anything else. Web realtime unless you run applets of some kind. But it'll get close enough. Otherwise, why not look for a real network management solution like nagious? They'll give you interface traffic on all your equipment. Usually I track traffic accross the network; not just on a single host. -- Peter Larsen plar...@famlarsen.homelinux.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 11:04 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 02:36 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 02:19 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 01:00 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up. rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially. The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them. How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ? Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able to make fairly good recovery with something like: # mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted # mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download # yumdownloader `sed -e s/.rpm$//g /root/rpmpkgs.backup` # rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin with. Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var on? - Panu - It just end up with disk full !! you have to fix that - there's no way you can have a working software package system with a full disk - it just gets corrupted. Of course, I did it !! maybe you don't have enough space yet... what's output of... df -h /dev/sdc5 2.9G 1.8G 961M 66% / /dev/mapper/VG1-usr 6.9G 4.1G 2.5G 63% /usr /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_lib 6.0G 2.0G 3.7G 35% /usr/lib /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_local 5.0G 1.8G 3.0G 38% /usr/local /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_src 5.0G 1.4G 3.4G 29% /usr/src /dev/mapper/VG1-tmp 2.0G 263M 1.7G 14% /tmp /dev/mapper/VG1-home 8.9G 4.9G 3.6G 58% /home /dev/mapper/VG1-iso_image OK - small hard drive is killing you but if this doesn't work... rm -fr /var/lib/rpm/__* rpm --rebuilddb then your only hope for fixing this would be to follow the instructions here... http://www.rpm.org/wiki/Docs/RpmRecovery OK, but /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_sta is not part of rpm for fedora ! Regards indeed - they seem to have removed the db4 utilities from rpmdb even worse, I installed db4-utils package and ran... # cd /var/lib/rpm # db_dump Packages db_dump: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version 4.5 db_dump: DB_ENV-open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch which means that I can't use db4-utils to do anything with rpmdb on Fedora 10 and my guess is that you don't have enough space in /var to follow Panu's suggestion of using the logs to download the packages all over again to recreate the db (perhaps /home has enough space). I'd follow his suggestions except I would operate in a directory under /home because of disk space concerns. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 winbindd core dump
PS Here's the result of 'testparm -s'... PS PS Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf PS Processing section [IsrAlgorithmData] PS Loaded services file OK. PS WARNING: You have some share names that are longer than 12 characters. PS These may not be accessible to some older clients. PS (Eg. Windows9x, WindowsMe, and smbclient prior to Samba 3.0.) PS Server role: ROLE_DOMAIN_MEMBER PS [global] PS workgroup = TOYON PS server string = Samba Server Version %v PS interfaces = lo, eth1 PS security = DOMAIN PS username map = /etc/samba/DomainToLocalMapping.txt PS log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m PS max log size = 50 PS idmap domains = TOYON PS idmap alloc backend = tdb PS idmap alloc config:range = 5000- PS idmap config TOYON:range = 1-3 PS idmap config TOYON:readonly = yes PS idmap config TOYON:backend = ad PS hosts allow = 127., 172.16.1., 172.17.0., 172.21.0., 192.168.120., PS 192.168.110. PS PS [IsrAlgorithmData] PS comment = ISR Algorithm Data PS path = /media/bigdisk PS valid users = +users PS read only = No PS create mask = 0770 PS force create mode = 060 PS directory mask = 0770 PS force directory mode = 060 PS guest ok = Yes PS PS PS Am I missing an idmap configuration option that maps PS the other windows domain controller that is providing PS the account information (login name/password) to a PS local 'home' directory. CW = Craig White CW nope but configuration surely is a problem. CW CW security = DOMAIN CW CW that's for a Windows NT type of DOMAIN not Active CW Directory. You should be security = ADS but I'm CW guessing that you are trying to skirt the issues CW of kerberos and keytabs, etc. but that ain't CW gonna work. CW CW You really need to read through the samba CW documentation to get you there... CW CW http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/unixclients.html#adssdm Thanks will do. I even own a copy of http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007690/index.html CW should probably be enough to get you through it. CW CW I gather that you haven't the ability to get a user CW list... CW 'getent passwd' CW or a group list... CW 'getent group' Both of these work with my present setup. CW that includes the Windows AD users and groups CW and until that happens, samba doesn't have a chance. The share works fine prior to the core dump. All of the Windows users can access the share and modify it just like I want them to be able to. My only problem is the occasional winbindd core dump. In addition the machine seems to reboot not to long after the core dump and I simply cannot figure out why. CW you will probably also need to ensure that CW nsswitch.conf ultimately includes winbindd CW for 'passwd' and 'group' and /etc/ldap.conf CW for the rest of the attributes but definitely CW the samba documentation above should get you CW started on the right path. I'll give it a look. Thanks again for your time, Pete -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Autostarting Order ??
Hi; Sessions Manager in Gnome used to have a tab that allowed the user to pick the 'nice' order in which programs were automatically started at login. This feature has been removed. So ... How can I set up my startup in a way that allows me to adjust what order various programs are started? In particular, I am using devilspie to get Evolution and XChat-GNOME to start in workspace 3. I got that working alright, but XChat-GNOME is the first program of all my startup programs to start while Evolution is the last -- a natural delay I suspect while my email is being fetched. Nonetheless, I would like to change the order so that XChat-GNOME starts near the end at about the same time Evolution starts. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I could set this up? -- Regards Bill Fedora 10, Gnome 2.24.2 Evo.2.24.2, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC7: Kernel panic on boot
Lately, when booting FC7, I often get some hex numbers followed by something like:: Kernel Panic - not syncing. Attempted to kill the idle task. A reboot usually succeeds. Any suggestions? Thanks, Mike. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Disk Partition Size Query
Hi I've got a DL360 G4p connected to an MSA20 disk array. It's got a 9TB logical partition created by HP SmartStart. How can I go about creating a 9TB partition under rhel 5.2? What block size do I need to achieve this and how will it affect performance? All the disks are SCSI disk and the array is attached via SCSI to the server. Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Issues with Kontact/Kmail distribution list
Anne Wilson wrote: Yes, I had that problem - filed a bug report too. However, my F10 is updating from updates-testing and from kde-redhat, and somewhere in the last week or so an update has fixed this. If you can, just hang on and the relevant update will hit the main repos. Most likely the upcoming 4.2.0 update will fix it, unless it's magically fixed in 4.1.4. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel doesn't see battery on Dell Inspiron 6400
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: I revived this laptop by giving it a hard drive transplant, then loading F10 on it. Everything works, except for the battery meter. The kernel does not see the laptop's battery, and complains thusly: ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line) ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery absent) The battery is there. Although it's weak, and doesn't last long, it's there and it's functional. If anyone has a working battery meter on this laptop, most likely using some ACPI kernel command line-fu, I'd like to know. I have a working dell 6400 with F10 installed and I didn't had problems with the batery. No special tweeks, it worked out of the box. ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line) ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present) I have problems with the media buttons. I can't get them working. On F7 worked after I selected the proper keyboard. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: no sound via headphone jack with the latest kernel - anyone solved this ?
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Kevin Kempter ke...@kevinkempterllc.com wrote: Hi all; Just wondering if anyone has managed to find a fix for the no sound through the headphone jack issue in the latest kernel ? Thanks in advance same problem for me to in F10 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 18:12 -0500, Todd Denniston wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote, On 01/22/2009 05:20 PM: On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 08:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 12:39 +, Alan Cox wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:49:34 -0800 (PST) Leslie Satenstein lsatenst...@yahoo.com wrote: Regarding swap files and intel architectures. I believe swapping is not by pages, but by segment sizes, which is gruesome, because of performance. Linux always pages - it doesn't use intel segmentation - in fact nobody post 286 era does. Well now that I committed myself , I have question for you Alan,, because I know you know the real answer. Normally, when we talk about VM OSs we discuss a memory space and an address space. VM is supposed to be mapping pages or segments from the address space to the memory space and reverse. I was surprised at your saying that segmentation is not being used in Linux. If it is paging that is being used where is the address space that the pages reside in. In the memory layout of a process we talk about the code, data and stack segments, because in the original PDP-11 architecture a segmentation model was easier to manage than a paging model (the machine could only have 8 pages in each segment, so there wasn't much point). This use of the terminology persists today. However as Alan said every modern machine supports paging so in practice that's what's really happening. It's convenient to keep the segment terminology because there are *logical* differences between the three segments, which the kernel uses in its memory management policy. The term swap is also a holdback from even before the segmentation days, since entire processes would be moved (roll-in/roll-out). When Unix used a segmented model segments were moved instead of whole processes, but it was still called swapping, and the term swap space persists even when it's used for paging. As if you weren't confused enough :-) poc All this avoids the question I asked. VM processing involves paging between a memory space and an address space. The question is where is the address space of the process? It can't be the computer's real memory because that would be the memory space. If Aaron is not confused enough, then may I suggest looking over at Ulrich Drepper's paper on LWN What every programmer should know about memory, Part 1 (Introduction Commodity Hardware Today) http://lwn.net/Articles/250967/ At the bottom of the Part 1 article there are links to the other parts. * Part 2 (CPU caches) * Part 3 (Virtual memory) http://lwn.net/Articles/253361/ * Part 4 (NUMA systems) * Part 5 (What programmers can do - cache optimization) * Part 6 (What programmers can do - multi-threaded optimizations) * Part 7 (Memory performance tools) * Part 8 (Future technologies) * Part 9 (Appendices and bibliography) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- === The fundamental principle of science, the definition almost, is this: the sole test of the validity of any idea is experiment. -- Richard P. Feynman === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Checking Fedora setup
Is there any simple way of checking that a Fedora system is properly set up? I am thinking of something like rpm -V but on a system-wide basis? I have a very old computer - which I very rarely access directly, I use it essentially as a file server, and nomally access it remotely - which looked rather curious when I did access it directly yesterday. There was no panel, though this appeared after a few seconds when I gave the command plasma after Alt-F2. I also tried removing .kde/ which seemed to improve matters temporarily. I used preupgrade to upgrade this computer from Fedora-8 to Fedora-10, and have the feeling that this might not give a completely kosher system. So really, what I am asking is if there is any program one can run to highlight incomplete or inaccurate applications in the current OS? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: service
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 11:06 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: On 1/22/2009 6:47 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, What is the service/daemon with make that rpm db is regularly locked ? yum-update ? It is not running ! Another thing, are the lock managed ? Many times if I make a rpm -qa and I interrupt it, then their is a lock and I have to restart the machine. How can I manage thsi. Thank Why don't you just remove the lock under /var/lock/ .redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- === Join in the new game that's sweeping the country. It's called Bureaucracy. Everybody stands in a circle. The first person to do anything loses. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RAM question for everyone!
I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan With RAM, the more the merrier. I guess the question is, what does this app do? What worries me with that is no swap space. With an app that takes up that much RAM, I'd be wanting some swap space. But, as I said a lot depends on what the application does. If the app doesn't do any reads/writes from disk, or if there is no possible growth of the app beyond 8GB, then having no swap would probably be okay. But you have to keep in mind that the app isn't the only thing running, you have other kernel services and system services which also take up RAM. If I were you, I'd go with more than 10GB and add a couple GB swap space, just to be safe. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? You don't mention the platform, but can we assume it's 64-bit (x86_64?) from the fact that the app is using 8G of ram? Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC7: Kernel panic on boot
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 14:16 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: Lately, when booting FC7, I often get some hex numbers followed by something like:: Kernel Panic - not syncing. Attempted to kill the idle task. A reboot usually succeeds. Any suggestions? Could be your disk hardware I guess. In any case, update to a supported version of Fedora (9 or 10). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Mark Haney wrote: Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan With RAM, the more the merrier. I guess the question is, what does this Unless you're on a 32-bit system in which case more RAM can make you much less merrier since the mere addition of the memory causes more pressure on the already constrained lowmem available on these platforms. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 08:53 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: All this avoids the question I asked. VM processing involves paging between a memory space and an address space. The question is where is the address space of the process? It can't be the computer's real memory because that would be the memory space. Now you're confusing me. What do you mean by memory space and address space? Paging involves (among many pther things) moving data between main memory and a backing store. The data belongs to the address space of a process, or possibly several processes in the case of shared pages. Address space is a logical concept meaning the range of addressable memory locations in the process virtual memory. I've no idea what you mean by memory space unless it's the physical main memory. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan With RAM, the more the merrier. I guess the question is, what does this Unless you're on a 32-bit system in which case more RAM can make you much less merrier since the mere addition of the memory causes more pressure on the already constrained lowmem available on these platforms. Regards, Bryn. True, but the assumption was 64-bit since he says the app uses 8GB RAM. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10+ Burn multiple discs concurrent from iso?
Frank Murphy wrote: Can any of the fedora supplied, GUI Burners, burn multiple copies concurrent. Looking at setting up a PC based Duplicator. Any controller card better than another Fedora POV? May 6 devices Internal. Frank I think you would be better off using a script and a CLI tool. It isn't that hard. It may actually work better as each burner, even if identical will have different properties and operating characteristics. But you ask a good question and it will be interesting to see. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: network traffic analyzer
Original Message Subject: Re: network traffic analyzer From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 01/23/2009 06:17 AM On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 21:00 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: I'm looking for a web based (graphs) solution for (real-time) network traffic on a Linux (Fedora) router. Perhaps MRTG? When I said RRTG I meant MRTG and the answer still stands: No. I'm not sure if it can do individual protocol graphing, though. I've never tried that. I just use it to keep an eye on overall network throughput. Protocol graphing isn't a must-have feature. I'm more interested in overall throughput and per-host throughput. Breaking it down on a protocol level is just a plus. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 15:43 +, Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan Of the top of my head: Memory: If the machine is designed to run a single application and -nothing- else, 9-10GB will do. However, if you plan to have, say local and remote X, VNC, I'd add ~2GB the mix. Swap: Always setup some kind of swap - at-least 1-2GB. Disk space is cheap, but if you somehow miscalculate the amount of memory your application needs - even by 5% - the lack of available memory will trigger the OOM killer. (Which tends to produce problematic results... such as killing sshd and getties [happened to me once...]) In general, I usually setup 2-4GB swap on desktops, and 8GB of workstations/servers. E.g. I'm typing this on a dual Xeon workstation with 8GB of memory and 8GB of swap and less than 71M of swap is being used. - Gilboa -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: network traffic analyzer
Original Message Subject: Re: network traffic analyzer From: Peter Larsen plar...@famlarsen.homelinux.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 01/23/2009 06:44 AM For a single box, ntop is what you're looking for. Be forewarned though - traceing ALL packages (which ntop will do) takes a lot of disk-space. Your /var will grow considerable. But the stats are very very nice! Well, you wanted detailed graphs? I would exactly call the output pretty but it's there, sorted all kinds of ways. ntop takes *minutes* to load its web pages on my 1.4ghz Pentium 3 Tualatin server. I'm looking at overall processor usage and it's ~90% idle. Web realtime unless you run applets of some kind. But it'll get close enough. Otherwise, why not look for a real network management solution like nagious? They'll give you interface traffic on all your equipment. Usually I track traffic accross the network; not just on a single host. nagious is way too much for what I want. I only have three hosts on the LAN side, but my server is an actual web server with thousands of views a day. I don't care about the stuff nagious presents. I only want real time, such as darkstat's real time view, throughput measurement. I guess I'll have to make my own if there are no other ideas. Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org wrote: Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan With RAM, the more the merrier. I guess the question is, what does this Unless you're on a 32-bit system in which case more RAM can make you much less merrier since the mere addition of the memory causes more pressure on the already constrained lowmem available on these platforms. Regards, Bryn. True, but the assumption was 64-bit since he says the app uses 8GB RAM. -- Thanks for the info, but if my only reads from disk and will not grow beyond 8GB is it true to say that I have no need for swap space if I install 10GB or more of RAM? Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I'm really curious. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: RAM question for everyone!
Hi there -- One question that needs to be answered is whether or not the operating system in question is 32-bit or 64-bit architecture. The 32-bit architecture has a 'glass ceiling' limit of up to 4 gigabytes of RAM that it can access. The same is not true for 64-bit architecture. Once you have the answer to the above, you can make a better decision on the RAM package. -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Track Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:43 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: RAM question for everyone! I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Original Message Subject: Re: RAM question for everyone! From: Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 01/23/2009 10:19 AM This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I'm really curious. SATA Hard drive speeds - 70 megs to 150 megs a second unless you're RAIDing DDR2 RAM speeds - 6000 megs a second and up. If performance is a key issue, which I'm sure it is, you don't want swap. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Backup Restore questions/concerns
Hi all;
I've got a new dell laptop I'm trying to setup. Most everything is working
well but I cannot get dual monitor support working. There's a local Linux
install-fest this weekend near me and I plan to attend seeking some help.
However, I use this laptop as my main work computer and I cannot afford for it
to be down, so just in case something we do at install-fest breaks my system
(in fact I had early issue with the nvidia drivers causing me to only see a
blank screen) I want to be able to restore properly.
Here's what I've done so far:
I have a filesystem /stage where I'm staging an rsync backup.
I have a script that reads a list of directories and does an rsync. I've
listed all root level (/) directories in this list except for stage, dev and
sys since dev and sys are generated at boot time and stage is where I'm
pushing the backups to. So, my backup scripts look like this:
dirlist:
==
bin
boot
docs
download
etc
home
lib
lib64
lost+found
media
mnt
opt
root
sbin
selinux
srv
tmp
usr
var
rsync_backup.sh:
==
#!/bin/bash
for I in `cat dirlist`
do
echo [$I]
echo ==
rsync -avXA --delete /${I} /stage/backup/rsync
done
rsync_restore.sh:
==
#!/bin/bash
for I in `cat dirlist`
do
echo [$I]
echo ==
rsync -avXA --delete /stage/backup/rsync/${I} /
done
Here's my questions. Is this going to be reliable , i.e. if I have to
restore will it accurately restore the entire system ?
When I run the backup script I see IO errors like this:
home/kkempter/.xsession-errors
IO error encountered -- skipping file deletion
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code
23) at main.c(1040) [sender=3.0.4]
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code
23) at main.c(1040) [sender=3.0.4]
I also see SE Linux warnings like this:
Summary
SELinux is preventing rsync from creating a file with a context of security_t
on a filesystem.
Detailed Description
SELinux is preventing rsync from creating a file with a context of security_t
on a filesystem.
Usually this happens when you ask the cp command to maintain the context of a
file when copying between
file systems, cp -a for example. Not all file contexts should be maintained
between the file systems.
For example, a read-only file type like iso9660_t should not be placed on a r/w
system. cp -P might be a better solution,
as this will adopt the default file context for the destination.
Allowing Access
Use a command like cp -P to preserve all permissions except SELinux context.
Additional Information
Source Context: system_u:object_r:security_t:s0
Target Context: system_u:object_r:fs_t:s0
Target Objects: .index.6k5mIl [ filesystem ]
Source: rsync
Source Path: /usr/bin/rsync
Port: Unknown
Host: Issac.consistentstate.com
Source RPM Packages: rsync-3.0.4-0.fc10
Target RPM Packages: Policy RPM: selinux-policy-3.5.13-38.fc10
Selinux Enabled: True
Policy Type: targeted
MLS Enabled: True
Enforcing Mode: Enforcing
Plugin Name: filesystem_associate
Host Name: Issac.consistentstate.com
Platform: Linux Issac.consistentstate.com 2.6.27.7-134.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon
Dec 1 22:21:35 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64
Alert Count: 1
First Seen: Fri 23 Jan 2009 09:12:23 AM MST
Last Seen: Fri 23 Jan 2009 09:12:23 AM MST
Local ID: 77df5603-8c05-4884-ac35-19a5cab2070a
Line Numbers:
Raw Audit Messages :
node=Issac.consistentstate.com type=AVC msg=audit(1232727143.337:1347): avc:
denied { associate } for pid=8099 comm=rsync name=.index.6k5mIl dev=sdb1
ino=4825112 scontext=system_u:object_r:security_t:s0
tcontext=system_u:object_r:fs_t:s0 tclass=filesystem
node=Issac.consistentstate.com type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1232727143.337:1347):
arch=c03e syscall=189 success=no exit=-13 a0=7fff5f0c8610 a1=17055e0
a2=17055c0 a3=20 items=0 ppid=8098 pid=8099 auid=500 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0
fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=pts1 ses=1 comm=rsync exe=/usr/bin/rsync
subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)
Thoughts ?
Thanks in advance
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Re: RAM question for everyone!
Alan Evans wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I think many people aren't as concerned about sacrificing a bit of disk space as much as they are concerned about the performance impacts when the system begins to use the swap, especially for desktops. Linux will attempt to move old data that has not been referenced for some time out to the swap device even when there is relatively little pressure to do so. This is generally a win since we are better utilising the physical memory of the system (storing more frequently/recently used data in it) but it may lead to nasty delays when the swapped-out data is needed again. This is more of a problem today than 15 years ago because of the ever widening gulf between main memory speeds and (HD based) mass storage speeds (or at least, seek times). As an example, try opening something in OpenOffice and then minimizing it for a week. Even if the box was fairly quiet for that period, chances are that much of OO's address space is now swapped out. Clicking the window in the task bar will cause the system to churn for a few seconds or more before the app returns to a usable state. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 10:24 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: RAM question for everyone! From: Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 01/23/2009 10:19 AM This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I'm really curious. SATA Hard drive speeds - 70 megs to 150 megs a second unless you're RAIDing DDR2 RAM speeds - 6000 megs a second and up. If performance is a key issue, which I'm sure it is, you don't want swap. In which case the real question is not how much swap do I need? but how much RAM do I need to avoid swapping?. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 16:26 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Alan Evans wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I think many people aren't as concerned about sacrificing a bit of disk space as much as they are concerned about the performance impacts when the system begins to use the swap, especially for desktops. Linux will attempt to move old data that has not been referenced for some time out to the swap device even when there is relatively little pressure to do so. This is generally a win since we are better utilising the physical memory of the system (storing more frequently/recently used data in it) but it may lead to nasty delays when the swapped-out data is needed again. This is more of a problem today than 15 years ago because of the ever widening gulf between main memory speeds and (HD based) mass storage speeds (or at least, seek times). As an example, try opening something in OpenOffice and then minimizing it for a week. Even if the box was fairly quiet for that period, chances are that much of OO's address space is now swapped out. Clicking the window in the task bar will cause the system to churn for a few seconds or more before the app returns to a usable state. Regards, Bryn. Yeah, but this problem can more-or-less be avoided by lowering /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. - Gilboa -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Boot Loader and reinstalling windows...
Looks like, for now, I'm going to have to have a bootable windows. So... How can I restore (easily) the boot loader if/when the windows installation munges it? Hopefully this is something I can do without reinstalling F10? of course I may not need to... but just 'cuz I'm paranoid doesn't mean windows isn't out to get me! Thanks Michael -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
SataRaid and Installation
Not sure if this is the right list, but maybe someone will see this. I started out my computer experience as a DOS users a long time ago. Then on to windows and about 8 years ago I started using Linux to get ahead and to see what it could do. Over the years it has grown on me. I have used several distributions, but once Fedora came out I really stuck with it. I got to say that I have been greatly disappointed by Fedora for the last 2 releases. I have a rockin system. I can play any game out there, I love. I just can't install Fedora with out sacrificing my system speed. For 2 releases dmraid has been broken. The fix is for me to stop using Sata RAID0. This is not a good fix, my disk IO doubles by having this. I have seen posts all over the boards and bugzilla relating to various problems in DMRaid. Yet for 2 releases, it has stayed broken. To me this is a show stopper when you can't even install an OS. At a time when Linux can break through and get some number away from Microsoft you would think that a error free installation would be a top priority for the Fedora team. I am greatly dissapointed that such a widely known problem has been ignored by this team. Dissapointed and Let Down, Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Gilboa Davara wrote: Yeah, but this problem can more-or-less be avoided by lowering /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. Sure, that will make the VM more likely to evict pagecache data than anonymous pages when it's trying to free pages. I haven't tested this to any real degree on my desktop boxes (as I don't really suffer too much from this with the setups that I run), does it give a significant benefit for this case? I can imagine it would given that systems where I have seen problems like this have tended to seem a bit cache-heavy, but testing results are always good to hear. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 10:24 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: RAM question for everyone! From: Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 01/23/2009 10:19 AM This question, along with other recent discussion about swap, leads me to ask a question in response: Why is everyone so concerned about how to get away without swap? Hard drives are cheap. Why does your server with potentially 10GB (!!!) of RAM have a hard drive so small that you can't sacrifice a few GB for swap? I'm really curious. SATA Hard drive speeds - 70 megs to 150 megs a second unless you're RAIDing DDR2 RAM speeds - 6000 megs a second and up. If performance is a key issue, which I'm sure it is, you don't want swap. In which case the real question is not how much swap do I need? but how much RAM do I need to avoid swapping?. poc Hi All, This wasn't addressed to any paricular architecture, it was more of a query. Why do I even need swap or a large disk if all my app does is read a few pieces from a database on disk and if I load the database into RAM is there ever a need to look at the hardisk, given that the database never changes. Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disk Partition Size Query
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've got a DL360 G4p connected to an MSA20 disk array. It's got a 9TB logical partition created by HP SmartStart. How can I go about creating a 9TB partition under rhel 5.2? What block size do I need to achieve this and how will it affect performance? All the disks are SCSI disk and the array is attached via SCSI to the server. Thanks Dan Hey Guys, Any thoughts on this? Thanks Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Package Manager Denies Permission to Install
Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: But PolicyKit does not work in a root session: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447266 Hmm...this is probably worthy of some nuanced and masterfully persuasive oratory as to where to strike the balance between designing for expected use cases and designing a system with flexibility to accomedate local needs even when those use cases are not considered best practises. . No nuanced and masterfully persuasive oratory can disguise the fact that someone has made *and enforced* a decision that *they know better than the user* how THINGS MUST BE DONE purely because the doing, is considered to be 'not best practice'. In this particular case, the 'best practice' enforcement approaches religious fervour in its application. In the particular instance which started this thread, PolicyKit nags about being root, and then *refuses* to allow the installation of an rpm! It does not deny the right to download and install the rpm in a consoleIt just denies the user the advantages of using PackageManager to resolve dependenices directly. And *exactly* what nuanced extra is added to the equation, by forcing the administrator to log out of root, to log in as a user, to do the same thing? Especially in a circumstance where the install is actually desired to be general and not user-local? This position is idiocy. I don't mind a nag. I DO mind unknown and unaccountable people attempting to enforce their quasi-religious beliefs on me (by quasi-religious, I mean the attitude which equates doing anything while root is akin to giving booze and car-keys to seventeen year old boys: instantly and always catastrophically dangerous.) I know using root can increase the probability of disaster. But I want to be able to decide what the limits of my risk tolerance are, not have someone else do it. That argument, the libertarian argumnent is one of the underlying bases of the free software movement. Let's have it recognized and venerated in the code! Geoff Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SataRaid and Installation
Chris Linville wrote: Not sure if this is the right list, but maybe someone will see this. I started out my computer experience as a DOS users a long time ago. Then on to windows and about 8 years ago I started using Linux to get ahead and to see what it could do. Over the years it has grown on me. I have used several distributions, but once Fedora came out I really stuck with it. I got to say that I have been greatly disappointed by Fedora for the last 2 releases. I have a rockin system. I can play any game out there, I love. I just can't install Fedora with out sacrificing my system speed. For 2 releases dmraid has been broken. The fix is for me to stop using Sata RAID0. This is not a good fix, my disk IO doubles by having this. I have seen posts all over the boards and bugzilla relating to various problems in DMRaid. Yet for 2 releases, it has stayed broken. To me this is a show stopper when you can't even install an OS. At a time when Linux can break through and get some number away from Microsoft you would think that a error free installation would be a top priority for the Fedora team. I am greatly dissapointed that such a widely known problem has been ignored by this team. Dissapointed and Let Down, Chris Unfortunately, this is one of the many side affects of relying on software to do Raid. In the past I have seen bad SATA RAID setups in most systems when done in sofware. I have three systems that run RAID (level 5) hardware, so I haven't had the need to use DMRaid, and never had a problem between any of the O/s's I have played with (and/or broken horribly) so this is all based on the Fedora installment of DMraid. Best way to get this fixed is to build it yourself, and see what the solution would be, based on errors you have seen. That is one of the biggest things with a community O/s. A few places do paid support, and will attempted to dedicate resources to your issue, and release a big patch, but with this being a bleeding edge distro, it is best to fix it yourself, then offer a solution, otherwise it may not be fixed, or take forever to get it fixed. On the other hand, I know the issues with having a good system and being stuck with Windows Though it isn't all doom and gloom for me. It is hardware for me, since the system just flat refuses to load linux (I get it to uncompress the boot loader, and start working on vmlinuz, where it eventually stops, and never starts again until reboot, where the same thing happens again and again) though I am sure this is purely the brand of motherboard I have, I am just too lazy and computers are too cheap for me to spend time fighting to have a dual boot on my gaming system. ~Seann smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disk Partition Size Query
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 16:55 +, Dan Track wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Dan Track dan.tr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've got a DL360 G4p connected to an MSA20 disk array. It's got a 9TB logical partition created by HP SmartStart. How can I go about creating a 9TB partition under rhel 5.2? What block size do I need to achieve this and how will it affect performance? All the disks are SCSI disk and the array is attached via SCSI to the server. Hey Guys, Any thoughts on this? RHEL v5 has it's own mail list - clearly you will get more targeted answers there. 5.3 updates were released just a few days ago and I think there are new/improved tools for your system. http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Release_Notes/index.html Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: SATA Hard drive speeds - 70 megs to 150 megs a second unless you're RAIDing DDR2 RAM speeds - 6000 megs a second and up. If performance is a key issue, which I'm sure it is, you don't want swap. Of course I'm perfectly aware that RAM is much faster than hard drive storage. The OP asked how much memory he needed so he didn't have to configure any swap. He even mentioned that the server's hard drive was small as one of the reasons for not wanting swap. My machines, both desktop and server, *all* have swap, even if I don't expect to ever need it. Normally, the swap usage is zero, which is what I want. But there have been instances that the presence of the rarely-touched swap space has saved my ass. It just seemed like a silly cost-saving technique. He was willing to sink hundreds of dollars on a huge amount of RAM, but was unwilling to devote an extra 10-20 dollars on a hard drive big enough to provide swap space. (Apologies if other currencies are involved.) I understand not wanting to swap. I don't understand not want swap available at all. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how to add a Netgear Wireless PCI Adapter 54Mbps WG311 v3 to fedorah 10
Can any one tell me how to add a: how to add a Netgear Wireless PCI Adapter 54Mbps WG311 v3 NIC to fedorah 10 64 bit? Thank you, David ps. step by step please.. I am still a little wet behind the ears. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Michael Cronenworth wrote: I'm really curious. SATA Hard drive speeds - 70 megs to 150 megs a second unless you're RAIDing DDR2 RAM speeds - 6000 megs a second and up. If performance is a key issue, which I'm sure it is, you don't want swap. No, you don't want to /have/ to use swap in normal production (this means having enough RAM). You still want to have swap for unforeseen circumstances. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Software RAID 5 or something else?
Hello all, I had a drive failure a few months back so I decided it was time to rework my home server's storage. Now I have 5 750GB SATA dives and now I need some advice on how to set things up. My original idea was to put them in a RAID 5 configuration. This sounded good until I started researching RAID controller cards. It looks like it will cost me $520 to get a good PCI-E card (3Ware 8 port). I don't think I want to spend that much if I don't have to. My goals are two fold. 1) I want to get some redundancy in case of a drive failure. 2) I want to increase my performance. I have benchmarked my read and write performance to and from this server. Using Samba, I seem to be able to get about 50Mb/sec reads and 40Mb/sec writes. I am on a gig network and would like to be able to max out the cards (90Mb/sec is what I get at work). So, the question is, what should I do? 1) Bite the bullet and get the hardware RAID controller. Will this give me the performance I want? 2) Go with a software RAID 5. Will I lose performance with this configuration? If I use this but only get modest performance gains, that would be acceptable. 3) Go with some other software RAID level. Any help would be appreciated. --- Will Y. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
Kaplan, Andrew H. wrote: Hi there -- One question that needs to be answered is whether or not the operating system in question is 32-bit or 64-bit architecture. The 32-bit architecture has a 'glass ceiling' limit of up to 4 gigabytes of RAM that it can access. It's more of a ice ceiling. With Physical Address Extension, you can bring it up to 4 GB /per process/, and 64 GB total, but it's typically not worth the hassle. However, the OP mentioned 8 GB for one app, so I assume it's 64-bit. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: network traffic analyzer
Michael Cronenworth wrote: I'm looking for a web based (graphs) solution for (real-time) network traffic on a Linux (Fedora) router. I currently use iptraf to catch bandwidth usage and type of usage, but I'd love a more accessible interface. What you are looking for has existed a few times as commercial applications. In every case that I am aware of, these type of software packages have been purchased by companies that make network management systems. In one case, some of those elements were incorporated into HP Openview, but in others, those features that I liked best were simply canned, and never seen again. At one job site, I helped manage a network of over 100 disk-less SUN workstations. I installed an agent on each one, and was able to have a small graph on my screen for each. I could switch to that desktop and instantly have an idea of traffic patterns, by protocol, for every workstation. heck, I could tell when a printer was out of paper, and who created the print job! The workstation would continually try to send the job, thus creating a recognizable pattern in the network traffic. That application was amazing, and no longer exists. Like the rest, it was bought by a larger company, and killed. The closest thing to that now days is ether-ape. However, the limitations and scope are very different. If a version of ether-ape could be made to monitor multiple hosts via snmp at once, well then ... Good Luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 11:04 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 02:36 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 02:19 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 01:00 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up. rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially. The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them. How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ? Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able to make fairly good recovery with something like: # mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted # mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download # yumdownloader `sed -e s/.rpm$//g /root/rpmpkgs.backup` # rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin with. Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var on? - Panu - It just end up with disk full !! you have to fix that - there's no way you can have a working software package system with a full disk - it just gets corrupted. Of course, I did it !! maybe you don't have enough space yet... what's output of... df -h /dev/sdc5 2.9G 1.8G 961M 66% / /dev/mapper/VG1-usr 6.9G 4.1G 2.5G 63% /usr /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_lib 6.0G 2.0G 3.7G 35% /usr/lib /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_local 5.0G 1.8G 3.0G 38% /usr/local /dev/mapper/VG1-usr_src 5.0G 1.4G 3.4G 29% /usr/src /dev/mapper/VG1-tmp 2.0G 263M 1.7G 14% /tmp /dev/mapper/VG1-home 8.9G 4.9G 3.6G 58% /home /dev/mapper/VG1-iso_image OK - small hard drive is killing you but if this doesn't work... rm -fr /var/lib/rpm/__* rpm --rebuilddb then your only hope for fixing this would be to follow the instructions here... http://www.rpm.org/wiki/Docs/RpmRecovery OK, but /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_sta is not part of rpm for fedora ! Regards indeed - they seem to have removed the db4 utilities from rpmdb Rpm in F10 no longer uses an internal copy of db4 so this isn't practical to do anymore. even worse, I installed db4-utils package and ran... # cd /var/lib/rpm # db_dump Packages db_dump: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version 4.5 db_dump: DB_ENV-open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch which means that I can't use db4-utils to do anything with rpmdb on Fedora 10 Use the db45_foo variants instead, eg db45_dump - Panu - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working, IP forwarding isn't
Hi folks. I've given up on openswan because it won't work though my ADSL router. I've now got a very simple ppp-over-ssh VPN working using the following script /usr/sbin/pppd updetach noauth passive \ pty ssh $HOST -P -o Batchmode=yes /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach notty noauth \ $LocIP:$RemIP I'm using 192.167.127.1 and .2 for the VPN My local LAN is 10.6.0.0/16 and the remote is 10.1.0.0/16 The VPN works, and from each end I can ssh to the remote end using either it's 192. or 10. IP address. On each gateway, and on the test hosts on each LAN I have set up the appropriate routes. On each gateway I have enabled IP Forwarding by running sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and made it permenant by editing /etc/sysctl.conf. I even rebooted to make sure. However, I cannot get anything to work except gateway to gateway. Anything behind the gateways cannot get past their local gateway. Anyone know what I've missed? -- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software RAID 5 or something else?
1) Bite the bullet and get the hardware RAID controller. Will this give me the performance I want? That depends on the rest of the system - you get to play move the bottleneck. It will then depend on your PCI-X controller, your memory bandwidth and if you have the CPU 8). The 3ware is at least a real hardware driven RAID, most ATA 'RAID' is BIOS/driver RAID so just software RAID with a disguise kit. 2) Go with a software RAID 5. Will I lose performance with this configuration? If I use this but only get modest performance gains, that would be acceptable. RAID 5 in software means XOR in software so has a cost, RAID 1 is much cheaper in software if you can take the capacity hit. RAID5 also works best with a battery backed cache which you don't get in software. You may also find that multiple cheap PCI-X AHCI cards outperform several drives on one card. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software RAID 5 or something else?
On Friday 23 January 2009 09:39:44 am arag...@dcsnow.com wrote: Hello all, I had a drive failure a few months back so I decided it was time to rework my home server's storage. Now I have 5 750GB SATA dives and now I need some advice on how to set things up. My original idea was to put them in a RAID 5 configuration. This sounded good until I started researching RAID controller cards. It looks like it will cost me $520 to get a good PCI-E card (3Ware 8 port). I don't think I want to spend that much if I don't have to. My goals are two fold. 1) I want to get some redundancy in case of a drive failure. 2) I want to increase my performance. I have benchmarked my read and write performance to and from this server. Using Samba, I seem to be able to get about 50Mb/sec reads and 40Mb/sec writes. I am on a gig network and would like to be able to max out the cards (90Mb/sec is what I get at work). So, the question is, what should I do? 1) Bite the bullet and get the hardware RAID controller. Will this give me the performance I want? 2) Go with a software RAID 5. Will I lose performance with this configuration? If I use this but only get modest performance gains, that would be acceptable. 3) Go with some other software RAID level. Any help would be appreciated. --- Will Y. I think you want software raid. The little processor on a hardware raid card is unlikely to be better that what you already have for a cpu. If the hw raid card breaks for any reason you may be faced with trying to find just the same card and revision number to regain access to your data, a distressing experience no matter what. SW raid can confidently be expected to be stable over time. On point 1 I think you can look for blogs like the storage report and have a look at anandtech.com for reviews of raid including performance figures. On point 2 I think you will gain performance. The stipulated gain from 50 to 90 MB/sec seems quite achievable. On point 3 I think you need to look at testing others have performed to see what is the best (to you) combination of raid level, safety and speed. I might add that I have a currently working F7 implementation on a single Seagate 320 SATA drive and hdparm -tT shows 78 MB/sec reads while on another new drive, a Seagate 640 SATA I get 110 MB/sec. No raid at all and the only drive in the system. It might be worthwhile to examine your current setup further for bottlenecks before spending that kinda coin. Dave -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Canada must refuse to be entangled in any more wars fought to make the world safe for capitalism. -- The Regina Manifesto, 1933 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software RAID 5 or something else?
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 12:39 -0500, arag...@dcsnow.com wrote: 1) I want to get some redundancy in case of a drive failure. 2) I want to increase my performance. I have benchmarked my read and write performance to and from this server. Using Samba, I seem to be able to get about 50Mb/sec reads and 40Mb/sec writes. I am on a gig network and would like to be able to max out the cards (90Mb/sec is what I get at work). So, the question is, what should I do? 1) Bite the bullet and get the hardware RAID controller. Will this give me the performance I want? RAID controllers with onboard memory and CPU might free up 2-3% of your main CPU time. In all but the most demanding cases, this isn't worthwhile. RAID controllers with ROM-based BIOS extensions and no CPU use the main system CPU to do the work, so no real benefit over kernel RAID, except that if the card fails it will be harder to get your data back (!). 2) Go with a software RAID 5. Will I lose performance with this configuration? If I use this but only get modest performance gains, that would be acceptable. With 5 drives on 5 controllers, you could potentially see read performance gains of 4x+ on long sequential reads (parallel reads). Write performance will vary from less than 1/2 (read from 2 drives then write to 2 drives for each sub-chunk modification) to more than 4x the single-drive performance (large sequential writes), depending on usage patterns. -Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software RAID 5 or something else?
arag...@dcsnow.com wrote: Hello all, I had a drive failure a few months back so I decided it was time to rework my home server's storage. Now I have 5 750GB SATA dives and now I need some advice on how to set things up. My original idea was to put them in a RAID 5 configuration. This sounded good until I started researching RAID controller cards. It looks like it will cost me $520 to get a good PCI-E card (3Ware 8 port). I don't think I want to spend that much if I don't have to. My goals are two fold. 1) I want to get some redundancy in case of a drive failure. 2) I want to increase my performance. I have benchmarked my read and write performance to and from this server. Using Samba, I seem to be able to get about 50Mb/sec reads and 40Mb/sec writes. I am on a gig network and would like to be able to max out the cards (90Mb/sec is what I get at work). So, the question is, what should I do? 1) Bite the bullet and get the hardware RAID controller. Will this give me the performance I want? 2) Go with a software RAID 5. Will I lose performance with this configuration? If I use this but only get modest performance gains, that would be acceptable. 3) Go with some other software RAID level. Any help would be appreciated. --- Will Y. Will, I can't help with the software side, but I have a 3ware 8 port myself and here are the stats I am getting from my RAID 5: (output of tw_cli) Unit UnitType Status %RCmpl %V/I/M Stripe Size(GB) Cache AVrfy -- u0RAID-5OK - - 64K 3259.56 OFFON Port Status Unit SizeBlocksSerial --- p0 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WMASYX p1 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WMASYX p2 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WMASYX p3 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WMASYX p4 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WCAS8X p5 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WCAS8X p6 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WCAS8X p7 OK u0 465.76 GB 976773168 WD-WCAS8X Name OnlineState BBUReady StatusVolt Temp Hours LastCapTest --- bbu On NoTesting OK OK 0 24-Nov-2008 Timing Statistics: /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 11640 MB in 2.00 seconds = 5830.68 MB/sec /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.00 seconds = 50.64 MB/sec my biggest bottle neck right now is the write-cache is off due to a battery test that is being done. Total cost for the card (and battery backup) was about 575.00. The card, from new egg is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116054 Another note, 3ware has good support in Linux, and is very nice and easy to manage if you do go that route. I will leave it to the DMraid/software RAID guys to answer for that though ~Seann smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SataRaid and Installation
broken. The fix is for me to stop using Sata RAID0. This is not a good fix, my disk IO doubles by having this. I have seen posts all over the boards and bugzilla relating to various problems in DMRaid. Yet for 2 releases, it has stayed broken. To me this is a show stopper when you can't even install an OS. What bug number is this ? Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software RAID 5 or something else?
arag...@dcsnow.com wrote: Hello all, I had a drive failure a few months back so I decided it was time to rework my home server's storage. Now I have 5 750GB SATA dives and now I need some advice on how to set things up. My original idea was to put them in a RAID 5 configuration. This sounded good until I started researching RAID controller cards. It looks like it will cost me $520 to get a good PCI-E card (3Ware 8 port). I don't think I want to spend that much if I don't have to. My goals are two fold. 1) I want to get some redundancy in case of a drive failure. 2) I want to increase my performance. I have benchmarked my read and write performance to and from this server. Using Samba, I seem to be able to get about 50Mb/sec reads and 40Mb/sec writes. I am on a gig network and would like to be able to max out the cards (90Mb/sec is what I get at work). So, the question is, what should I do? 1) Bite the bullet and get the hardware RAID controller. Will this give me the performance I want? 2) Go with a software RAID 5. Will I lose performance with this configuration? If I use this but only get modest performance gains, that would be acceptable. 3) Go with some other software RAID level. Any help would be appreciated. --- Will Y. If you understand that there is really no such thing as hardware based RAID. There is 'dedicated hardware' based RAID, which is software based RAID on a card that does nothing else but RAID. Most of these RAID cards have a small, slow, CPU, and relatively slow RAM modules to run the RAID software. So considering that, what do you gain from dedicated hardware for RAID? You get a commercially supported RAID software and hardware package, and you get to unload a bit of CPU from the main system. Considering that the CPU on the card at max performance is probably 1/3 of a core from a modern CPU, then that is not really much of a savings. The real consideration for RAID 5 is survival. In either situation you have to have a spare drive, and you have to consider availability of new drives to match them in the future. Good Luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 19:49 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: http://www.rpm.org/wiki/Docs/RpmRecovery OK, but /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_sta is not part of rpm for fedora ! Regards indeed - they seem to have removed the db4 utilities from rpmdb Rpm in F10 no longer uses an internal copy of db4 so this isn't practical to do anymore. even worse, I installed db4-utils package and ran... # cd /var/lib/rpm # db_dump Packages db_dump: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version 4.5 db_dump: DB_ENV-open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch which means that I can't use db4-utils to do anything with rpmdb on Fedora 10 Use the db45_foo variants instead, eg db45_dump good to know...do I gather that you have little faith for the... db45_dump /var/lib/rpm/Packages.old \ | db45_load /var/lib/rpm/Packages mechanics to suggest that he essentially download every package and re-add them to --justdb which seems like a rather Herculean task? Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 01:00 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up. rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially. The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them. How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ? Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able to make fairly good recovery with something like: # mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted # mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download # yumdownloader `sed -e s/.rpm$//g /root/rpmpkgs.backup` # rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin with. Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var on? - Panu - It just end up with disk full !! you have to fix that - there's no way you can have a working software package system with a full disk - it just gets corrupted. Disk getting full should not corrupt the database but give a hefty load of error messages about disk being full. Of course it wont function properly without sufficient space but corrupt it should not - doesn't mean there couldn't be bugs, those codepaths dont get exercised that often. - Panu - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 19:49 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: http://www.rpm.org/wiki/Docs/RpmRecovery OK, but /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_sta is not part of rpm for fedora ! Regards indeed - they seem to have removed the db4 utilities from rpmdb Rpm in F10 no longer uses an internal copy of db4 so this isn't practical to do anymore. even worse, I installed db4-utils package and ran... # cd /var/lib/rpm # db_dump Packages db_dump: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version 4.5 db_dump: DB_ENV-open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch which means that I can't use db4-utils to do anything with rpmdb on Fedora 10 Use the db45_foo variants instead, eg db45_dump good to know...do I gather that you have little faith for the... db45_dump /var/lib/rpm/Packages.old \ | db45_load /var/lib/rpm/Packages mechanics to suggest that he essentially download every package and re-add them to --justdb which seems like a rather Herculean task? I got the impression from Patrick's earlier messages that --rebuilddb ended up with a partial database. If that's the case ... well, db_dump db_load cannot bring back data if it's not in the db anymore. Otherwise, attempting the dump+load doesn't hurt anything of course. - Panu - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software RAID 5 or something else?
So considering that, what do you gain from dedicated hardware for RAID? You get a commercially supported RAID software and hardware package, and you get to unload a bit of CPU from the main system. The big thing it saves you on in RAID 1 5 is memory bandwidth, and in RAID5 doubly so for the XOR costs. The second thing it helps with is bus bandwidth as each chunk of data crosses the PCI(X) bus once. In the PCI world that really helped, PCI-X it's less clear. The last benefit is a battery backed cache. Considering that the CPU on the card at max performance is probably 1/3 of a core from a modern CPU, then that is not really much of a savings. The real consideration for RAID 5 is survival. In either situation you have to have a spare drive, and you have to consider availability of new drives to match them in the future. Bigger ones will do Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: database mess up
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up. rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially. The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them. How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ? Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able to make fairly good recovery with something like: # mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted # mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download # yumdownloader `sed -e s/.rpm$//g /root/rpmpkgs.backup` # rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin with. Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var on? Hello Panu, The larger rpmpkgs file is the following one: rpmpkgs-20090111 from 2008-12-30 The following one is only 462 block compared to 61748 Concerning the message files, I attached the last one, I do not see anything bad, the CPU0 temperature is 34 °C, so I do not thing that it is wrong. However the -12V and +12V are wrong according to gkrellM system monitor. But is it right, I doubt that the machine would work with 0.63 and 3.95 V instead. Furthermore concerning the messages file, /messages-20090111 is empty as well as the following one: messages-20090118 /var is ext3 (on /) /usr, /usr/lib, /usr/local are lvm2 What do you thing ? Nothing out of ordinary there.. what does 'stat -f /var' say on these problematic systems (as you said you have two systems with these problems)? Noticed from the df output in another mail that the root partition was fairly small so it might be subject to a more or less known issue of filesystem blocksize of 1024 (at least on ext3) causing rpmdb corruption. - Panu - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Install Fedora 10 for the 1st time
I am having a problem installing Fedora on a Dell Poweredge box. Keep getting the following error Volume group VolGroup00 not found Unable to access resume device (/dev/VolGroup00/LogVolGroup00/LogVol101) I have formatted created a hardware RAID one for the install. What am I doing wrong? Thank you, Harvey Folse -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Install Fedora 10 for the 1st time
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:28:33PM -0600, Harvey Folse wrote: I am having a problem installing Fedora on a Dell Poweredge box. Keep getting the following error Volume group VolGroup00 not found Unable to access resume device (/dev/VolGroup00/LogVolGroup00/LogVol101) I have formatted created a hardware RAID one for the install. What am I doing wrong? That device name looks weird to me. Aren't LVM volumes normally named /dev/VolGroupName/LogicalVolName ? Why the extra path here? Admittedly, I don't run a server farm so it's quite possible I'm just not familiar with that nomenclature. Clues gratefully accepted. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpvGqfQ6Vpvf.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10, NetworkManager, and intermittent dns -- Update
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:32:08 -0500 McGuffey, David C. wrote: Update: Intermittent dns is still present. I'd strongly suspect this is NM getting the resolv.conf file correct on initial connect, then screwing it up on subsequent DHCP lease renewal. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10, NetworkManager, and intermittent dns -- Update
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:41:39, McGuffey, David C. wrote: A couple of weeks back I did a fresh install of F10, blowing away F7. Got F10 up and running, did an update and then converted to static IP addressing. Everything went downhill from there. Could only get on the network about 1 out of 10 attempts. This is on a wired network. Did some research and discovered on an Ubuntu forum a recommendation to pin the MAC address to an IP address in the dhcpd configuration of the IPS firewall/switch device, and then go back to dynamic addressing. Did that, and did a complete fresh install of F10 with dynamic addressing... ... after a while, the box starts getting dns errors (failure to resolve address). It is intermittent... I finally discovered a pattern... if either of those users let the screensaver kick off, dns disappears for all users until a reboot... Update: Intermittent dns is still present. Have been able to overcome it by restarting NetworkManager every time dns dies. Problem begins when the screensaver kicks in, or the system is idle for a while. I set the screen saver for 2 hours, and after about 15 minutes of inactivity, dns dies. Restarting NM gets it going again. I'm going to put the restart command in sudo so everyone on the box can restart it...but this is a poor solution to what used to be a very stable service. Red Hat...if you are listening, don't allow NM to get into your productized server loads Not everything walks, talks, or quacks like a laptop. The old stable approach is good enough for every customer I have on my books. Dave McGuffey Principal Information System Security Engineer // NSA-IEM, NSA-IAM SAIC, IISBU, Columbia, MD Save a Tree...Unless necessary don't print this e-mail -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
