Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size

[NiftyFedora Mitch]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 11:49 -0800, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
>>  Research TLB, here is a link to start with:
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_lookaside_buffer
>>
>> With a TLB and clever kernel software a process has the luxury of
>> living
>> in a virtual address space and not having to relocate itself to run.
>
> You're confusing TLB with the page mapping hardware as a whole. The TLB
> is simply a cache to make the mapping faster.

I could be confused or just using 30 year old language when we
had to build our own TLB/MMU out of fast static RAMs and TTL chips.

The TLB is the critical and necessary  first step in building a VM system.
Restarting instructions is the necessary functionality to build a demand
paged VM system.
Full memory management units (MMU) reach out to cache, and enforce attributes
like read only, cacheable, uncacheable, write through, TLB sets, atomic
operations, bus arbitration, and more.

By standers might wish to scan this URI:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_management_unit

The student might search out the National Semiconductor NS32332
or the Motorola MC68451 data books in a library or on line.  These
early books are as much tutorial ad anything.   Also the MIPS 3000
data book is worth looking at.   The MIPS 3000 MMU was minimal and the
documentation was great at discussing how to build complex and
rich memory management models from a minimum but sufficient
set of functionality.





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Re: FC10 XFCE desktop build 20090123

[Frank Murphy]

Vnpenguin wrote:
> This is a customized spin XFCE desktop on Fedora 10 with all updates
> to 23-Jan-2009.
> 
> _Warning_: this is NOT official product of Fedora Project, just my
> personal work.
> 
> Linuxtracker page: http://tinyurl.com/cjzynf
> 
> Announce page on VNOSS (english) : http://forum.vnoss.org/post37911.html
> 
> Happy Fedoring !

Why don't you join in with the Fedoraunity group.
http://www.fedoraunity.org/
The sum of the parts and all that.

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Re: Gateway DX4720 installation problems

[David Timms]

David Timms wrote:

Charles Landau wrote:
I just bought a DX4720-03 from Gateway. Has anyone succeeded in 
installing Fedora on this system?


checkout:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6611313
  last post for a potential fix.

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Re: X11 sweep frequencies, how are they determined?

[NiftyFedora Mitch]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:33 PM, David Timms  wrote:
> Leslie Satenstein wrote:
>>
>> My question is in the subject line.
>
> You might have to give a little more info on this query (I certainly aren't
> sure what you are talking about) ?
>
> Where did you see it mentioned (internet, config file... ?)
>
> DaveT.
>

I suspect the subject line is making reference to the horizontal and
vertical refresh rates and other params like dot clock...

On older monitors these values were documented by the vendor.
X11 set up tables have collections of these matched to vendor part numbers.
The xorg.conf file will have them in the Monitor description section.

New monitors have data wires that permit the system driver to look up the
vendor data.  Google/ search wikipedia  for: "the Display Data Channel
(DDC) and the Extended Display Identification Data (EDID), which
allows computers to communicate with different monitor extensions."
and more.

Note that historically some hardware could be damaged by bad settings so
vendor data for both the card and display itself can be important.



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Re: service

[NiftyFedora Mitch]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 11:06 +, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Steven R. Ringwald wrote:
>>
>> > On 1/22/2009 6:47 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> What is the service/daemon with make that rpm db is regularly locked ?
>> >
>> > yum-update ?
>> >
>> It is not running !
>> Another thing, are the lock managed ?
>> Many times if I make a rpm -qa
>> and I interrupt it, then their is a lock and I have to restart the
>> machine.
>> How can I manage thsi.
>>
>> Thank
> Why don't you just remove the lock under /var/lock/


Caution removing a lock risks corruption to that which the lock is
designed to protect.

What I suspect is that the default desktop is doing
the normal yum download.  On a new machine that
a new users is working on this download can take
much longer than a new user might expect.

On F10 new installs this lock will commonly be visible should
a user try a yum update by hand.   The lock file will commonly
contain the PID of the process that set the lock.  If the PID is
the desktop doing an update for you in the background, let it.

With F10 I have taken to doing updated in layers because the
pile of updates is just too large.   Something like:
 yum update yum
 yum update [a-e]*
 yum update l*
 yum update [v-zX]*
 yum update



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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[g]

john wendel wrote:

> Thanks, this looks interesting. I can't try it until Monday, but I'll 
> definitely give it a run.

you are most welcome.

also, do a 'man firefox' to see why of arguments.

i have never had problems with mozilla firefox or thunderbird from day one,
when i started using netscape 1.3. they have all just worked.

i am aware of these cl starts from subscribing to mozilla support and have
an extensive collection of bookmarks for ff and tb.

biggest problem i have ever run into is that there is a majority of msbsos
babies on list and they are a bit jealous and snide towards linux users.
[especially my sig]

i fluff it off with knowledge that if they were anywhere as smart as some
of them think they are, they would be using linux. 


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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[john wendel]

g wrote:

john wendel wrote:


Yes.


lol. this pop up while replying to other.

so, to keep you busy while i finish other, run following from cl
to see what you get.

firefox -safe-mode
firefox -jsconsole
firefox --g-fatal-warnings




Thanks, this looks interesting. I can't try it until Monday, but I'll 
definitely give it a run.


Thanks for the help.

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Re: F10 - kernel build problem

[john wendel]

David Timms wrote:

john wendel wrote:

this box without any problems. Now with F10, I can't compile the
kernel, gcc dies with a segmentation fault and the output tries to
tell me that
Can you provide the text of the segfault (without that you are asking 
for speculation) ?


I'll get this together on Monday when I have access to the box.



Could you try running the compile inside the gdb debugger, install any
debuginfo packages requested, and hopefully be able to get a backtrace ?


Not sure I can wedge gdb into the kernel makefile, but I'll take a look 
at it. It doesn't give a complete backtrace, but the output lists the 
function that died. I just can't remember the name, though I seem to 
recall that it was the same function every time it crashed.




You aren't running out of disk (on certain partitions/lv's) or memory
during the build, are you ?



Definitely not a disk space issue. I suspect that it might be a memory 
problem, but I've got a 2GB swap partition.



I did build a large software system (nothing as big as the Linux
kernel) on the F10 system and it seems to be working fine, so gcc
seems to be installed properly.

How long did the "large software system" take to complete ?


This a suite of 7 programs and a set of libraries that take about 10 
minutes to compile on FC6 and F10. The kernel compile on FC6 takes about 
20 minutes.



How far into the kernel build did it stop (time gcc ...) ?


I'll have to time it, but it dies after building about the first 
(apprxoimately) 20 modules. If I run make again, it successfully 
compiles the module that it died on, and then segfaults after compiling 
another 5 to 10 modules. Repeat make, same behavior. It eventually 
finishes the build, but the resulting kernel won't boot.


Same config file builds a working kernel using FC6 (with a much older gcc).



DaveT.



Thanks for your help.

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Re: F10 - kernel build problem

[g]

john wendel wrote:

> I ran KDE on FC6, but I switched to XFCE4 for F10.

lighter weight, which will help for desktop.

> Forgot to mention that I've got a 2GB swap partition. And the box has 
> all the latest updates.

i would not use more than 1gb. 'rule of thumb' is twice of ram memory.

somewhere in past, i recall something being bad about using kernel.org
for fedora. just what i do not recall but it had to do with lib's not
playing together well. i may be wrong.

i have never built a kernel for fedora, as it changes too often. but if
i did, it would be *all* fedora. nothing 'foreign'.


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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[g]

john wendel wrote:

> Yes.

lol. this pop up while replying to other.

so, to keep you busy while i finish other, run following from cl
to see what you get.

firefox -safe-mode
firefox -jsconsole
firefox --g-fatal-warnings

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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[john wendel]

g wrote:

john wendel wrote:

Good suggestion, but that was the first thing I did. Several times 
actually, the last being yesterday.


same box you are trying to build new kernel?




Yes.

Regards,

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Re: F10 - kernel build problem

[David Timms]

john wendel wrote:

this box without any problems. Now with F10, I can't compile the
kernel, gcc dies with a segmentation fault and the output tries to
tell me that
Can you provide the text of the segfault (without that you are asking 
for speculation) ?


Could you try running the compile inside the gdb debugger, install any
debuginfo packages requested, and hopefully be able to get a backtrace ?

You aren't running out of disk (on certain partitions/lv's) or memory
during the build, are you ?


I did build a large software system (nothing as big as the Linux
kernel) on the F10 system and it seems to be working fine, so gcc
seems to be installed properly.

How long did the "large software system" take to complete ?
How far into the kernel build did it stop (time gcc ...) ?

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Re: F10 - kernel build problem

[john wendel]

g wrote:

john wendel wrote:

I recently installed F10 on a really old computer that previously was
running FC6 (perfectly). The hardware is a Dell 900 Mhz P3, 512 MB


speed may not be a problem, it will just react slowly. 512mb may be a
problem running x server, especially if you try to use kde. can not
comment on gnome.

again, even if it is not a 'live cd', run 'yum update'.




I thought about the X/desktop issues. After the first failure, I 
switched to run level 3 (no X) and it failed exactly the same way.


I ran KDE on FC6, but I switched to XFCE4 for F10.

Forgot to mention that I've got a 2GB swap partition. And the box has 
all the latest updates.


Regards,

John



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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[g]

john wendel wrote:

> Good suggestion, but that was the first thing I did. Several times 
> actually, the last being yesterday.

same box you are trying to build new kernel?

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Re: F10 - kernel build problem

[g]

john wendel wrote:
> I recently installed F10 on a really old computer that previously was
> running FC6 (perfectly). The hardware is a Dell 900 Mhz P3, 512 MB

speed may not be a problem, it will just react slowly. 512mb may be a
problem running x server, especially if you try to use kde. can not
comment on gnome.

again, even if it is not a 'live cd', run 'yum update'.

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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[john wendel]

g wrote:

john wendel wrote:


Any clues.


after installing from a 'live cd' run 'yum update'.




Good suggestion, but that was the first thing I did. Several times 
actually, the last being yesterday.


Regards,

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 209

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 22:03 -0500, R. G. Newbury wrote:
> Not quite the real etymology of 'freedom' but if you strongly support
> my 
> desires I hope you will join me in castigating the designer of 
> PackageManager.
> Geoff

there are ideas and there are words


cas·ti·gate
tr.v.   cas·ti·gat·ed, cas·ti·gat·ing, cas·ti·gates 
 1. To inflict severe punishment on. See Synonyms at punish.
 2. To criticize severely.

[Latin castīgāre, castīgāt-, from castus, pure; see kes- in
Indo-European roots.] 
cas'ti·ga'tion n., cas'ti·ga'tor n. 

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. 


you are so entirely over the top and tone deaf that you simply do not
see that you demonstrate not even the slightest amount of decency.

At some point in life, I hope you find the ability to disagree without
being so disagreeable.

If you don't like the choices offered in Package Manager, you always
have the option of removing it from your computer. Instead, you want to
make it your mission to not only to identify and ridicule, you are using
the list to solicit sympathy for your viciousness.

Whatever point you may have had (and it's a dubious one at best), it's
lost in your presentation. 

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Re: X11 sweep frequencies, how are they determined?

[David Timms]

Leslie Satenstein wrote:

My question is in the subject line.
You might have to give a little more info on this query (I certainly 
aren't sure what you are talking about) ?


Where did you see it mentioned (internet, config file... ?)

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Re: F10 - Firefox won't start

[g]

john wendel wrote:

> Any clues.

after installing from a 'live cd' run 'yum update'.

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F10 - kernel build problem

[john wendel]

I recently installed F10 on a really old computer that previously was 
running FC6 (perfectly). The hardware is a Dell 900 Mhz P3, 512 MB 
memory (all it will take) and a ancient Nvidia card with a PCI interface 
(dog slow).


Everything went well, except for a few quirks and a big problem.

I normally don't use the Fedora kernel, I build a custom kernel from the 
latest stable sources at kernel.org. I've been doing this for years on 
this box without any problems. Now with F10, I can't compile the kernel, 
 gcc dies with a segmentation fault and the output tries to tell me 
that this must be a hardware or operating system problem. A load of 
crap! I booted the FC6 disk and did a successful kernel build, so not a 
hardware problem.


I installed the kernel built on the FC6 box, and it works fine with the 
F10 system. But I'd really like to get this working without booting FC6 
every time a kernel patch is released.


I did build a large software system (nothing as big as the Linux kernel) 
 on the F10 system and it seems to be working fine, so gcc seems to be 
installed properly.


Any hints on how to diagnose this problem will be appreciated.

Regards,

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Re: Gateway DX4720 installation problems

[David Timms]

Charles Landau wrote:
I just bought a DX4720-03 from Gateway. Has anyone succeeded in 
installing Fedora on this system?

...
This system's processor is an Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 which I 
believe is 64-bit. I tried both the i386 and x86_64 distributions with 
the same results.
If it's core 2 duo is definitely is x86_64. The dvd boot tells you 
pretty quickly if you are trying to boot an x86_64 media on a non x86_64 
processor.


You might be able to determine if this is just an installer issue, by 
downloading, and writing a live media, eg:

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
  Fedora 10 Desktop Edition   Live Media

and seeing if that allows the machine to operate OK ?

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Re: Hosed fstab, won't boot how to edit?

[Robert Moskowitz]

john wendel wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I mistyped noatime in /etc/fstab; wished there was a way to test 
this first!


Anyway, since this is my ASUS Eee and my swap is on the SD card, by 
pulling the SD card the boot halts and puts me into Repair 
Filesystem mode.


Thing is /etx fstab is readonly. vi fstab won't let me save the file.

I assume you have done the normal "write a ro file" command (:w!) 
and that failed as well?


I really don't want to do a complete reinstall yet. I want to buy a 
8Gb SD card first (and next time I am putting /usr on the SD card). 
So how can I edit this? 


Yes, that did not work. I am home now, and will just do a reinstall. 
I was planning one anyway as I figured out the 'best' way to 
distribute everything between a 4Gb SSD drive and a 4Gb SD drive. 
When I just had everything (/) on the 4Gb SSD drive as a ext3 
partition, the install failed. Moving /var/cache over to the SD drive 
worked. But now after looking at things, I am going to put /usr on a 
4Gb ext3 partition on the SD drive, a 1.5Gb swap and 2.5Gb / ext3 on 
the SSD drive. I think that is the best I can do until I get a 8Gb SD 
card, or figure out how to unsolder the SSD drive and install a 
larger one



I'm far from an expert, but I read that you should use EXT2 on a SSD 
instead of EXT3, the drive will last longer due to less I/O activity 
(the ext3 journal does too much I/O). 


I have been seriously considering using ext2 on the SD drive. Afterall, 
it will have /usr on it and not a lot of activity happens to files in 
/usr (or am I missing something?). I figure to run the check program 
(I'd have to research that again) after yum updates...


I have mixed feelings about ext2 for the SSD drive that would have the 
rest of the / tree. adding 'noatime' (and NOT misspelling it this time!) 
is a big win. Also need to look into nodiratime, seems it goes with 
noatime. Don't see any other options that will cut out writes...



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Re: Samba problem

[Paul Smith]

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>> I could access to a directory in my F10 partition from a VMware
>> virtual machine (MS Windows2000) through Samba, but not now. This is
>> very strange because I have not changed any samba settings. Any ideas?
>>
> First place to look  Your samba logs.  As well as making sure that
> smbd and nmbd are indeed running.

Thanks, Ed. Any ideas from the following?

Paul

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[2009/01/25 02:50:35,  0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(849)
  nmbd version 3.2.7-0.25.fc10 started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
[2009/01/25 02:56:16,  0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(395
)
  *

  Samba name server MYPC is now a local master browser for workgroup MYGROUP on
 subnet 192.168.57.1

  *
[2009/01/25 02:56:16,  0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(395
)
  *

  Samba name server MYPC is now a local master browser for workgroup MYGROUP on
 subnet 172.16.55.1

  *
[2009/01/25 02:56:16,  0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(395
)
  *

  Samba name server MYPC is now a local master browser for workgroup MYGROUP on
 subnet 172.16.49.1

  *
[2009/01/25 02:56:16,  0] nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(395
)
  *

  Samba name server MYPC is now a local master browser for workgroup MYGROUP on
 subnet 192.168.1.3

  *



[2009/01/25 02:50:36,  0] smbd/server.c:main(1208)
  smbd version 3.2.7-0.25.fc10 started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
[2009/01/25 02:50:36,  0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_connect(78)
  Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 - Connection refused
[2009/01/25 02:50:36,  0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_connect(78)
  Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 - Connection refused

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Re: Package Manager Denies Permission to Install

[R. G. Newbury]

>> No nuanced and masterfully persuasive oratory can disguise the fact that
>> >>someone has made *and enforced* a decision that *they know better
>> >> than the user* how "THINGS MUST BE DONE" purely because the doing, is
>> >> considered to be 'not best practice'.
>> >>
>> >> In this particular case, the 'best practice' enforcement approaches
>> >> religious fervour in its application. In the particular instance 
which
>> >> started this thread, PolicyKit nags about being root, and then 
*refuses*

>> >> to allow the installation of an rpm! It does not deny the right to
>> >> download and install the rpm in a consoleIt just denies the 
user the

>> >> advantages of using PackageManager to resolve dependenices directly.
>> >>
>> >> And *exactly* what nuanced extra is added to the equation, by forcing
>> >> the administrator to log out of root, to log in as a user, to do the
>> >> same thing? Especially in a circumstance where the install is 
actually

>> >> desired to be general and not user-local? This position is idiocy.
>> >>
>> >> I don't mind a nag. I DO mind unknown and unaccountable people
>> >> attempting to enforce their quasi-religious beliefs on me (by
>> >> quasi-religious, I mean the attitude which equates doing anything 
while

>> >> root is akin to giving booze and car-keys to seventeen year old boys:
>> >> instantly and always catastrophically dangerous.) I know using 
root can

>> >> increase the probability of disaster. But I want to be able to decide
>> >> what the limits of my risk tolerance are, not have someone else 
do it.

>> >>
>> >> That argument, the libertarian argumnent is one of the underlying 
bases
>> >> of the free software movement. Let's have it recognized and 
venerated in

>> >> the code!
>> >>
>> >> Geoff
> > My memory is that the designer of PackageManager indicated on the list
> > that running PackageManager as root has security problems that running
> > it as a user and entering the root password does not have. I believed
> > him. Your objection is that it makes you log as a user rather than as
> > root.
> >
> > I believe in the theory that "freedom" derives from the words free doom
> > indicating that everyone has a right to commit suicide in his (or her)
> > own way. I strongly support your committing suicide in any way you
> > desire.
> >
> > Aaron Konstam

>I would like to know why the developer of PackageManager makes a
>distinction between a root and a user login? Cut out extraneous code.
>Make any user enter the root password.
> Kam Leo

That works for me. I don't object to entering my root password to do 
something. I do object to being told that in effect I don't own my own 
box and I therefore cannot do something as root. But I do own the box. 
And if I break it, I will have to fix it.


Someone previously noted that I should fix the code. I would do that, if 
there were any reasonable prospect that my patch would be applied to the 
code base. And since there is no such reasonable prospect, I am not 
going to waste my time doing that.

Geoff




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Re: Hosed fstab, won't boot how to edit?

[john wendel]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I mistyped noatime in /etc/fstab; wished there was a way to test 
this first!


Anyway, since this is my ASUS Eee and my swap is on the SD card, by 
pulling the SD card the boot halts and puts me into Repair Filesystem 
mode.


Thing is /etx fstab is readonly. vi fstab won't let me save the file.

I assume you have done the normal "write a ro file" command (:w!) and 
that failed as well?


I really don't want to do a complete reinstall yet. I want to buy a 
8Gb SD card first (and next time I am putting /usr on the SD card). 
So how can I edit this? 


Yes, that did not work. I am home now, and will just do a reinstall. I 
was planning one anyway as I figured out the 'best' way to distribute 
everything between a 4Gb SSD drive and a 4Gb SD drive. When I just had 
everything (/) on the 4Gb SSD drive as a ext3 partition, the install 
failed. Moving /var/cache over to the SD drive worked. But now after 
looking at things, I am going to put /usr on a 4Gb ext3 partition on the 
SD drive, a 1.5Gb swap and 2.5Gb / ext3 on the SSD drive. I think that 
is the best I can do until I get a 8Gb SD card, or figure out how to 
unsolder the SSD drive and install a larger one



I'm far from an expert, but I read that you should use EXT2 on a SSD 
instead of EXT3, the drive will last longer due to less I/O activity 
(the ext3 journal does too much I/O).


Regards,

John

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 209

[R. G. Newbury]

Subject: Re: Package Manager Denies Permission to Install
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,  and advice for using
Fedora." 
Message-ID: <1232745649.5954.36.ca...@cyrus>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 12:10 -0500, R. G. Newbury wrote:
> > Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> >  > > Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> >  > > But PolicyKit does not work in a root session:
> >  > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447266
> >
> >  > Hmm...this is probably worthy of some nuanced and masterfully
> >  > persuasive oratory as to where to strike the balance between 
designing

> >  > for expected use cases and designing a system with flexibility to
> >  > accomedate local needs even when those use cases are not considered
> >  > best practises.  .
> >
> > No nuanced and masterfully persuasive oratory can disguise the fact 
that

> >someone has made *and enforced* a decision that *they know better
> > than the user* how "THINGS MUST BE DONE" purely because the doing, is
> > considered to be 'not best practice'.
> >
> > In this particular case, the 'best practice' enforcement approaches
> > religious fervour in its application. In the particular instance which
> > started this thread, PolicyKit nags about being root, and then 
*refuses*

> > to allow the installation of an rpm! It does not deny the right to
> > download and install the rpm in a consoleIt just denies the 
user the

> > advantages of using PackageManager to resolve dependenices directly.
> >
> > And *exactly* what nuanced extra is added to the equation, by forcing
> > the administrator to log out of root, to log in as a user, to do the
> > same thing? Especially in a circumstance where the install is actually
> > desired to be general and not user-local? This position is idiocy.
> >
> > I don't mind a nag. I DO mind unknown and unaccountable people
> > attempting to enforce their quasi-religious beliefs on me (by
> > quasi-religious, I mean the attitude which equates doing anything 
while

> > root is akin to giving booze and car-keys to seventeen year old boys:
> > instantly and always catastrophically dangerous.) I know using root 
can

> > increase the probability of disaster. But I want to be able to decide
> > what the limits of my risk tolerance are, not have someone else do it.
> >
> > That argument, the libertarian argumnent is one of the underlying 
bases
> > of the free software movement. Let's have it recognized and 
venerated in

> > the code!
> >
> > Geoff
>My memory is that the designer of PackageManager indicated on the list
>that running PackageManager as root has security problems that running
>it as a user and entering the root password does not have. I believed
>him. Your objection is that it makes you log as a user rather than as
>root.

No particular instances of 'security problems' were actually indicated, 
so we are left with usual position, that an exploit or breach of a user 
account will do 'less' damage than a breach of a root account. Firstly 
this is based on the unstated assumption that the exploit cannot  be 
escalated. And secondly, this is based on the unstated assumption that 
PackageManager has security problems. If so, it does not actually matter 
 what user runs the program: any exploit could be easily escalated by 
using PackageManager to install a rootkit...


My objection is that he has arrogated to himself the power to determine 
how I can operate my computer. So not all of the "free"'s apply to this 
software.


>I believe in the theory that "freedom" derives from the words free doom
indicating that everyone has a right to commit suicide in his (or her)
own way. I strongly support your committing suicide in any way you
desire.

Not quite the real etymology of 'freedom' but if you strongly support my 
desires I hope you will join me in castigating the designer of 
PackageManager.

Geoff


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Re: Install Fedora 10 for the 1st time

[David Timms]

Paul W. Frields wrote:

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:28:33PM -0600, Harvey Folse wrote:
I am having a problem installing Fedora on a Dell Poweredge box. 
Keep getting the following error


Volume group "VolGroup00" not found
Unable to access resume device (/dev/VolGroup00/LogVolGroup00/LogVol101)

I have formatted & created a hardware RAID one for the install.

What am I doing wrong? 


That device name looks weird to me.  Aren't LVM volumes normally named
/dev// ?  Why the extra path here?
If it isn't a typo, the lvm tools (possibly having booted in rescue mode 
if this issue is stopping the machine booting) should help you 
understand what is going on:

lvmdiskscan

vgdisplay

lvdisplay

DaveT.

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Re: KMyMoney Killed by last update

[Rex Dieter]

Vincent Onelli wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> After today's update Kmymoney stopped work

What exactly was included in "today's update"?

(If you need hints, look in /var/log/yum.log).

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Re: FC10 XFCE desktop build 20090123

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:54:57 +0100
Vnpenguin  wrote:

> This is a customized spin XFCE desktop on Fedora 10 with all updates
> to 23-Jan-2009.
> 
> _Warning_: this is NOT official product of Fedora Project, just my
> personal work.

Ah, I see the below announce page now has a link to the kickstart file. 

It looks like you are using your own ks file? 
Why not use the one we use to make the Xfce spin? 

The iso file says it's i386, but you mean i686? 

> Linuxtracker page: http://tinyurl.com/cjzynf
> 
> Announce page on VNOSS (english) :
> http://forum.vnoss.org/post37911.html
> 
> Happy Fedoring !

kevin


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Re: service

[Leslie Satenstein]

There is a lock, and I do believe that associated with it is a process-id. So 
when another application tries for the same lock, before giving up, the 
process-id is checked to see if it exists. If it does not, the lock is deleted 
and the new lock is created.

I did find that yum put a lock in a subdirectory of /usr  Its been a long time 
since I had to clear it manually.

Also check /tmp   Sometimes locks are placed there


--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Patrick Dupre  wrote:
From: Patrick Dupre 
Subject: Re: service
To: "Steven R. Ringwald" 
Cc: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 

Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:06 AM

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Steven R. Ringwald wrote:

> On 1/22/2009 6:47 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What is the service/daemon with make that rpm db is regularly locked ?
> 
> yum-update ?
> 
It is not running !
Another thing, are the lock managed ?
Many times if I make a rpm -qa
and I interrupt it, then their is a lock and I have to restart the machine.
How can I manage thsi.

Thank
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Re: What is the fedora way of setting a kernel module to load at boot time?

[Stuart]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
[...]
> One thing to keep in mind is that the module is not going to get
> loaded until the root file system gets mounted. If you need the
> module loaded before that, you can include it in the initrd. You
> would list it in /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd. (I don't remember the
> exact format.)

you set the MODULES variable, which is picked up by mkinitrd.

MODULES="intelfb"

or similar. Multiple modules are space separated inside the quotes.


Regards,

Stuart
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Re: Hosed fstab, won't boot how to edit?

[Robert Moskowitz]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I mistyped noatime in /etc/fstab; wished there was a way to test 
this first!


Anyway, since this is my ASUS Eee and my swap is on the SD card, by 
pulling the SD card the boot halts and puts me into Repair Filesystem 
mode.


Thing is /etx fstab is readonly. vi fstab won't let me save the file.

I assume you have done the normal "write a ro file" command (:w!) and 
that failed as well?


I really don't want to do a complete reinstall yet. I want to buy a 
8Gb SD card first (and next time I am putting /usr on the SD card). 
So how can I edit this? 


Yes, that did not work. I am home now, and will just do a reinstall. I 
was planning one anyway as I figured out the 'best' way to distribute 
everything between a 4Gb SSD drive and a 4Gb SD drive. When I just had 
everything (/) on the 4Gb SSD drive as a ext3 partition, the install 
failed. Moving /var/cache over to the SD drive worked. But now after 
looking at things, I am going to put /usr on a 4Gb ext3 partition on the 
SD drive, a 1.5Gb swap and 2.5Gb / ext3 on the SSD drive. I think that 
is the best I can do until I get a 8Gb SD card, or figure out how to 
unsolder the SSD drive and install a larger one



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Re: pdf creation tool?

[Kevin Martin]

Bill Edwards wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Bill Davidsen  > wrote:
>
> I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in
> case I ever need it. I have the scan software, I can easily create
> an image of each page, or save the page in postscript or pdf. What
> I don't have is a simple tool which will easily allow me to put
> the pages into a single document, and possibly add an index so I
> can find things if needed.
>
> Any suggestions? I can certainly live with what I have, I can get
> the information back for online reading or hard copy if needed,
> but it's ugly.
>
> -- 
> Bill Davidsen mailto:david...@tmr.com>>
>  "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>   
>
>
> I have the same problem, but I don't need any fancy indexes or stuff,
> so I just save each page of the set as postscript, and then 
> concatenate them all together with cat. then ps2pdf and you're done
>
> Bill Edwards
xsane will save scanned pages as pdf, ps, whatever.  Don't know if it
will scan multiple pages to save into one pdf but you can always do the
cat | ps2pdf thing.

Kevin

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Re: Samba problem

[Ed Greshko]

Paul Smith wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I could access to a directory in my F10 partition from a VMware
> virtual machine (MS Windows2000) through Samba, but not now. This is
> very strange because I have not changed any samba settings. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
>
>   
First place to look  Your samba logs.  As well as making sure that
smbd and nmbd are indeed running.



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F10 - Firefox won't start

[john wendel]

Fresh F10 install from a live-cd.

When I try to start firefox from a console, here's the error.

Error: Platform version '1.9.0.4' is not compatible with
minVersion >= 1.9.0.5
maxVersion <= 1.9.0.5

Any clues.

Thanks,

John


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Re: pdf creation tool?

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 12:23 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:38:53 -0500
> Bill Davidsen wrote:
> 
> > I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in case I ever 
> > need 
> > it. I have the scan software, I can easily create an image of each page, or 
> > save 
> > the page in postscript or pdf. What I don't have is a simple tool which 
> > will 
> > easily allow me to put the pages into a single document, and possibly add 
> > an 
> > index so I can find things if needed.
> 
> You will find that pdftk is very useful for many things pdf-related.
> 
> The bad news is that it is no longer available from "official" Fedora
> repositories.
> 
> The good news is that you can compile the Fedora 7 pdftk
> (pdftk-1.41-5.fc7.src.rpm) on Fedora 9 and 10.

indeed and I have been doing that very thing.

pdftk is a great tool.

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RE: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[bruce]

hey chris...

i recently (last few days) recall seeing something in the news that said the
IRS was pretty much allowing everyone to do free electronic filing. if this
is the case, you might not need turbo-tax at all. (unless you still need a
tax app to do the actual calculations for the various forms)

if you check it out, let us know!!

thanks


-Original Message-
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[mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com]on Behalf Of Christopher A.
Williams
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:37 PM
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)


Well - It seems that time of year has come once again...

And once again, Intuit is doing browser checks on their TurboTax site
and refusing to run any browser if the OS is Linux.

Firefox on Windows or Mac is fine, but not Linux.

I got around this before by finding a UA Switcher config that fooled it.
Anyone know where I can find one that has FF 3.0 on Windows as an
option?

I did my part by sending Intuit a strongly, but professionally worded
complaint about this. It included (truthfully) how I have used their
product for years and that I am now considering using a competitor's
product because, in today's Web 2.0 world, this kind of browser checking
stuff is completely unacceptable.

Anyone care to do the same?

Cheers,

Chris

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Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 11:49 -0800, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
>  Research TLB, here is a link to start with:
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_lookaside_buffer
> 
> With a TLB and clever kernel software a process has the luxury of
> living
> in a virtual address space and not having to relocate itself to run.

You're confusing TLB with the page mapping hardware as a whole. The TLB
is simply a cache to make the mapping faster.

poc

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Tom Horsley]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:36:44 -0700
Christopher A. Williams wrote:

> I am now considering using a competitor's
> product because

Shucks, Intuit got on my "I'll never buy from them again"
list back when they released turbo tax with all the activation
checks which were so broken, it wouldn't let me run
it again the 2nd day after I installed and activated it.

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TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Christopher A. Williams]

Well - It seems that time of year has come once again...

And once again, Intuit is doing browser checks on their TurboTax site
and refusing to run any browser if the OS is Linux.

Firefox on Windows or Mac is fine, but not Linux.

I got around this before by finding a UA Switcher config that fooled it.
Anyone know where I can find one that has FF 3.0 on Windows as an
option?

I did my part by sending Intuit a strongly, but professionally worded
complaint about this. It included (truthfully) how I have used their
product for years and that I am now considering using a competitor's
product because, in today's Web 2.0 world, this kind of browser checking
stuff is completely unacceptable.

Anyone care to do the same?

Cheers,

Chris
 
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Re: SataRaid and Installation

[Markku Kolkka]

Alan Cox kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 23. 
tammikuuta 2009):
>
> What bug number is this ?

For example:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474399
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471737
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476818

I can't upgrade from F8 until I know for sure that this issue is 
resolved.

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KMyMoney Killed by last update

[Vincent Onelli]

Hello,

After today's update Kmymoney stopped work, it loads but does not
respond to any menu selection. I could not fine the data file that it
save, I think that t was destroyed. I reinstalled but no good it does
the same thing. Help is greatly  appreciate thank you. Vinny   

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Re: Hosed fstab, won't boot how to edit?

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
So I mistyped noatime in /etc/fstab; wished there was a way to test this 
first!


Anyway, since this is my ASUS Eee and my swap is on the SD card, by 
pulling the SD card the boot halts and puts me into Repair Filesystem mode.


Thing is /etx fstab is readonly.  vi fstab won't let me save the file.

I assume you have done the normal "write a ro file" command (:w!) and that 
failed as well?


I really don't want to do a complete reinstall yet.  I want to buy a 8Gb 
SD card first (and next time I am putting /usr on the SD card).  So how 
can I edit this?






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Re: pdf creation tool?

[Bill Edwards]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:

> I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in case I ever
> need it. I have the scan software, I can easily create an image of each
> page, or save the page in postscript or pdf. What I don't have is a simple
> tool which will easily allow me to put the pages into a single document, and
> possibly add an index so I can find things if needed.
>
> Any suggestions? I can certainly live with what I have, I can get the
> information back for online reading or hard copy if needed, but it's ugly.
>
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>


I have the same problem, but I don't need any fancy indexes or stuff, so I
just save each page of the set as postscript, and then  concatenate them all
together with cat. then ps2pdf and you're done

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Re: music download sites?

[Bill Davidsen]

Anne Wilson wrote:

Artists lose revenue through illegal file-sharing.  Artists gain revenue if 
you buy from reputable sites.  Magnatune guarantee that the artist will get 
50% of whatever you pay (I don't know how they split it when you buy monthly 
subscriptions).  I bought a CD in wav form for burning because it fitted a 
particular niche.  If I'd paid the recommended $5 (I paid slightly more) the 
artist would have got a great deal more than he would get from a £12-£15 shop-
bought one.  Incidentally, they will actually burn a disc and send it to you 
for only a small extra charge.



Well said!


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Re: pdf creation tool?

[steve]

sorry for replying to my own reply, but I forgot to mention -- most scanners I 
have seen let you scan multiple pages in to one single pdf. You should check 
whether your scanner/scanning software supports this.


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Re: F10, NetworkManager, and intermittent dns

[Bill Davidsen]

McGuffey, David C. wrote:

A couple of weeks back I did a fresh install of F10, blowing away F7.
Got F10 up and running, did an update and then converted to static IP
addressing.  Everything went downhill from there.  Could only get on the
network about 1 out of 10 attempts. This is on a wired network.

Did some research and discovered on an Ubuntu forum a recommendation to
pin the MAC address to an IP address in the dhcpd configuration of the
IPS firewall/switch device, and then go back to dynamic addressing.

Did that, and did a complete fresh install of F10 with dynamic
addressing.  Data held by NM seems to be correct. I can ping all the
devices on the 192.168.1.0 network, and can use cups to print to two
printers on that network.  I got to a mirror site and downloaded the F10
updates and applied them. So far, so good. 


Most of the time, I can browse out and get Evolution to upload/download
e-mail.  I say most of the time, because after a while, the box starts
getting dns errors (failure to resolve address).  It is intermittent,
and has been driving me nuts.

I finally discovered a pattern.  After a reboot, the first user can log
in and everything works.  That user can log out and a second user log in
and everything works. This can be repeated until the cows come home.
However, if either of those users let the screensaver kick off, dns
disappears for all users until a reboot. The Windoze XP Pro side of this
box doesn't skip a beat. Two other Windoze laptops (one XP and one
Vista) have no problems, and neither did a guest laptop on the wireless
side of the ISP firewall/switch, so I don't think there is an issue with
the ISP firewall/switch. 


This NM stuff is new to me.  The old way worked and worked and
worked...better than the Energizer Bunny.  This NM tool, in my opinion,
is not ready for big time, and there is not enough documentation so
someone can come back and yell at me to rtfm.

Tonight I'm going to install tshark and see what I can discover in the
network traffic.

Where do I start?  

Start by booting and saving a copy of /etc/resolv.conf. Then let the screensaver 
kick in, resume, and look at the resolv.conf file again. Other things to save 
and check are (a) "netstat -rn" or your favorite similar command, (b) "ifconfig" 
to see if the network is working. From the original resolv.conf file you can see 
the nameserver address(es) and then see if you can reach them after DNS fails, 
assuming the resolv.conf file isn't getting hosed. If you ping they may not 
respond (mine don't), but if you get "no route to host" you have something else 
wrong.


Does your screensaver config kick the system to low power mode, or suspend it, 
or do anything but change the screen display?


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Re: pdf creation tool?

[steve]

Hi Bill,

Bill Davidsen wrote:
I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in case I ever need 
it. I have the scan software, I can easily create an image of each page, or save 
the page in postscript or pdf. What I don't have is a simple tool which will 
easily allow me to put the pages into a single document, and possibly add an 
index so I can find things if needed.


Any suggestions? I can certainly live with what I have, I can get the 
information back for online reading or hard copy if needed, but it's ugly.


I had the same problem a while back and I came across this:
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/software/pdf-append.php

The ghostscript method has worked for me very well since then.

HTH,
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Re: Creating X config

[Bill Davidsen]

Kevin Kofler wrote:

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

With my recent install of FC10, I noticed X will come up without the
need for a physical xorg.conf file.  However, if the KVM switch isn't on
that particular system when it reboots, the result is less than
desirable ... no X.  So, since it already knows how to bring up X (when
it does detect the monitor), is there a way for me to dump the (guessed)
configuration it uses and actually create a physical xorg.conf file?


X -configure

Kevin Kofler

If this doesn't create a file which works for you, you can still install 
system-config-display with yum, run that, and use the tool which has been 
standard for years (or at least the latest incarnation of it).


The xorg.conf file is needed in so many cases, I have no idea why creation 
wasn't part of the install. Or maybe there's a secret other file to hold all the 
options most people want to provide for a laptop, and I just haven't found the 
information on it.


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Re: TV tuner card in f10

[Bill Davidsen]

Michael Cronenworth wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: TV tuner card in f10
From: Endy 
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. 


Date: 01/22/2009 01:31 AM


Hi all,

I've got a Sabrent SBTV/FM tuner card in my media box.


OT:

Why? Analogue signals are getting turned off in Februrary. Don't tell me 
you haven't heard...



No. They will still be on cable and satellite, and low power TV is exempt.

If it's for using the composite ports, I could understand, but even then 
I think you want an HDMI/ATSC tuner card.


To the original question, how about the device info extracted from "lspic -vvv" 
and the name of the module used previously.


Other ideas:
 the linux-video list
 firmware
 were you using ndiswrapper?

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Re: RAM question for everyone!

[Gilboa Davara]

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 16:46 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > Yeah, but this problem can more-or-less be avoided by
> > lowering /proc/sys/vm/swappiness.
> 
> Sure, that will make the VM more likely to evict pagecache data than 
> anonymous pages when it's trying to free pages.
> 
> I haven't tested this to any real degree on my desktop boxes (as I 
> don't really suffer too much from this with the setups that I run), 
> does it give a significant benefit for this case?
> 
> I can imagine it would given that systems where I have seen problems 
> like this have tended to seem a bit cache-heavy, but testing results 
> are always good to hear.
> 
> Regards,
> Bryn.
> 

To be honest, now-days, I rarely tweak the swappiness value. While it
was required on a 32bit machine with >2GB of memory, the default value
works just fine on most 64bit workstation (and server) I use these-days.
Even on servers with relatively long up times (>4 months), I rarely see
more than 100-200MB of swap being used. *

- Gilboa 
* Unless something goes horribly wrong (mostly due to admin error), in
which case, I'm glad that I had a lot of swap space ready "just in
case"...







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Re: firewall url filter

[Bill Davidsen]

roland wrote:

Hallo,

I have a network with a fedora-server and several workstations-Vista 
Microsoft (client doesn't want any linux pc's). The users are connected 
to the internet via a router Lancom.


The client wants to prevent users to connect to sex sites.

Can I use the fedora-box as a firewall, filtering several url's or 
filtering several keywords?


You can filter all you want and some will get through. Alternatively you can 
just log all http SYN packets and tell people explicitly that they may have to 
justify access to any site they visit, or justify using a redirector, etc. That 
worked quite well at a few places of which I'm aware, it tends to block a lot 
more than porn, also social sites, etc. You can also log the size of downloads, 
even using https they have size.


It's a hard call between free access, security, and avoiding paying people for 
their hobbies. Some places only log during business hours, but have a policy 
about unannounced scans of business computers.


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Re: How Do I Do This PGP/GPG Thing?

[Jerry Feldman]

On 01/19/2009 11:33 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jerry Feldman wrote:

On 01/17/2009 12:40 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:04:47 -0500,
  "Michael H. Warfield"  wrote:
 

Eventually, even these were forced to be relaxed for open source
software to the point where they have almost no real impact.  If you



I think again this was done to make a free speech argument challenging
the regulations moot so that they could still harrass companies when 
needed.


One other note is that the original version of PGP used the IDEA 
encryption
algorithm. This algorithm is covered by a patent for a couple of 
years yet.
So the supplied version of gpg in many distros is not going to be 
able to
handle stuff ecnrypted with the original gpg and some old keys. This 
probably

won't be a problem for you.

  
To make a long story short, some of the technology behind public key 
encryption is based on a patent owned by MIT and leased to RSA. The 
technology was developed by Ronald Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard 
Adleman who were at MIT at the time although public key encryption 
was originally proposed at Stanford. There was a big battle waged 
between RSA and Phil Zimmerman, and during that time, MIT was able to 
open source some of the technology. I'm being very general, because 
that was the subject of last December's Boston Linux and Unix meeting 
which we hold at MIT each month.



AFAIK the patent expired last year...


Yes it did.

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Re: Amazon Kindle and Fedora

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert L Cochran wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
  

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
  


Robert L Cochran wrote:
  

  

Please note: I am saying all the above after having downloaded only one
free sample chapter of a Kindle-ized book, and I have never bought a
Kindle Store book from Amazon.


  


If you want to give it more of a test, go to Baen Free Library and
download some books in the Kindle format. They have a fair sample of
free books. They are complete books, but about half are the first
book in a series, to get you hooked on the author's work. (If you
liked the first one, and want more of the same.)

They offer the same book in more then one format. So if you like the
book, but don't like reading it on the Kindle, you can read it on
other devices. If all else fails, you can always download the HTML
version. Best of all - no DRM!

http://www.baen.com/library

Mobibook offers free software that will create books in their format
- from what I understand, they will work in the Kindle as well.
(Just change the extension.)

http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/ProductDetailsCreator.asp

Mikkel
  

  

Thanks for letting me know about baen.com. I was downloading stuff like
Tom Sawyer (which is fun reading by the way, and could have been better
if I could see the original book illustrations in the Kindle) from
gutenberg.org. I also have the Mobibook software and have used it.

Bob

  


Well, this did induce me to plug my Kindle in for a recharge. I have to
say the showy book covers on the baen.com website make me wish even more
that the Kindle is color-capable.

Bob

  

I downloaded "Primary Inversion" by Catherine Asaro from Baen. Connected
it to my Fedora 7 box over USB with no trouble and copied the book (as a
*.mobi file) onto it. The table of contents is at the end of the book. I
suppose that's no different than having it at the start of the book. The
front cover images are grayscale and tough to read. The text itself is
fine.

I then went back to baen.com/library and downloaded the same book in
HTML zip format, and put it on my hefty Dell Latitude E6400 laptop.
Started Firefox 3 and read a few paragraphs. The book cover now at least
shows up in color. The HTML links appear to work. I like the HTML
version better except for one thing -- the laptop weighs a ton compared
to the Kindle.

Of course you get color with xpdf and the pdf version of the books. I'm working 
my way through 'Mistborn' at the moment, although dead trees still are my 
favorite UI. And don't need power.


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Re: Miro crashes

[oleksandr korneta]

on 01/22/2009 11:16 PM oleksandr korneta wrote:
ok, same is also observed on F9 x86_64. It must be some update that 
broke everything...




on 01/19/2009 05:55 PM oleksandr korneta wrote:
I've been using it for quite some time without problems and today it 
started crashing right after video clip stops playing.


command-line output:

/usr/bin/miro: line 2:  9782 Segmentation fault 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9 miro.real "$@"


is anybody else experiencing this? Any suggestions?





even though nobody else responded so far, just to let you know. The bug 
is caused by latest xine-lib-1.1.16-1 update. Rollback to 1.1.15 solves 
the problem.




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Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 09:03:28AM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 15:42 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > 
> > > This is explained in nearly all textbooks on Computer Architecture. So
> > > the question remains, where is the address space in Linux.
> > 
> > Patrick isn't the only one confused by your question.  I can't make 
> > heads or tails of it.  Are you asking where the mapping between the 
> > virtual address space and physical memory is done, or what?
> > 
> No I am asking where the virtual address space resides of the machine.

Research TLB, here is a link to start with:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_lookaside_buffer

With a TLB and clever kernel software a process has the luxury of living
in a virtual address space and not having to relocate itself to run.

This implies that the virtual address spaces (plural) reside in data
structures (tables) managed by the kernel (the answer to your question).
A process is activated with some TLB entries setup to map the process
address space to some real memory.   Any time the process reads or writes
outside of valid TLB entries a page fault handler is called in the kernel
and if the access is allowed/ valid then a real resource is allocated
and mapped as valid for the process and the instruction restarted.

The TLB and the ability to restart an instruction after a page fault
is central to building a demand paged virtual memory system.   Implied
in this is user mode and kernel mode state in the processor.

Most TLB hardware has less entries than a valid process may need
over its life.  However they can be reloaded (on demand) as the program counter
and data pointers change.

Most of the x86 and x86_64 processor documentation is difficult to understand
on this point.   If you can find a copy of a MIPS or perhaps M68020 processor
manual to read.   As a point of history the M68010 had no TLB/MMU but could
restart instructions.   With an external TLB virtual memory systems could
be built on the ability to restart instructions.

A TLB also has the side effect of letting the kernel isolate my process
from your process permitting multi user multitask systems.  


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Re: database mess up

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello

How would you change the blocksize ?
As I said I have /usr /usr/lib, /usr/local /tmp /home on separated 
partitions and I do not see any reason for now to change them.

I try to only mount / from a fc6 partition on /mntlinux
than tar -cvzf slash.tzg /mnt/linux --selinux
on another partition.
then mke2fs -b 4096 /dev/hda14
tune2fs -j /dev/hda14
mount the / on the same partition as before
and tar -xvzf slash.tgz
grub-install
fix the /mnt/linux/etc/fstab
but it did boot.
It looks like that it is a problem with the initrd !

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Re: F10+ Burn multiple discs concurrent from iso?

[Frank Murphy]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

>>
> In addition to bandwidth issues, this really is best addresses as a
> script. Are you going to burn multiple copies of the same data or
> multiple things at once (doesn't change the bandwidth issue for
> backplane, does for disk).
> 
> Check power supply for that load...

Burn the one image.
Am thinking maybe quad core cpu,
with possibly 32mb ram.
2 power supplies to share the load.
I've come across a case that has 10 5.5 inch bays.
Plus 6 3.5 internal for drives.


Frank

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Re: music download sites?

[Antonio Olivares]

> > I've had long debates with some friends about
> downloading MP3s.  For me,
> > I wind up downloading MP3s for music I find
> interesting but not worth
> > buying the CD for.  So in my case, I can honestly say
> that the whole
> > RIAA argument about musicians having lost revenue are
> complete bullshit.
> >  If I find an artist I *really* like, I will go and
> buy the CD.  It's
> > worth 15 cents a track to check out an artist I'm
> not familiar with.  No
> > way would I plunk down $12-$15 for the same CD.
> 
> Artists lose revenue through illegal file-sharing.  Artists
> gain revenue if 
> you buy from reputable sites.  Magnatune guarantee that the
> artist will get 
> 50% of whatever you pay (I don't know how they split it
> when you buy monthly 
> subscriptions).  

I hate to disagree with some of the arguments here, but here it goes:

Artists lose money either which way :(, they make the money via concerts, 
presentations.  The guys at recording studios rip them off, the illegal/legal 
file sharing guys as well.  I have a friend who had hit somewhat big in the 
80's and once in a while he and his group go out to the states, like Florida, 
New York, Illinois, Nevada and California.  He asked his recording studio to 
make for him like 50 cd's so he could take to his presentations.  They charged 
him(the original author, songs were all his own), like $10 for each cd.  He 
asked me if I could burn for him multiple copies of his big hits and how much I 
would charge him.  I told him to bring me the cd's(blanks) and I would happily 
burn them and then a friend copy the cd label and print out the cd covers.  He 
wanted to pay me $5 for each cd, but since he is a friend of the family, I told 
him that it was OK :)

I asked if anything was illegal and he told me that if I ever get into trouble, 
as the original author of the music/songs he would go to court with me if 
necessary.

The good^{*} artists give away their music for free and release it under 
protective licenses.  They are released under Cretive common licenses or 
something like that.  

Regards,

Antonio 

^{*}  the word good here is subjective, so YMMV.  Good refers to kind people 
who like to share their work so others can enjoy it too without paying 
royalities.  Like we enjoy using Fedora for free and we do not pay to use it :) 
 


  

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Re: F10+ Burn multiple discs concurrent from iso?

[Bill Davidsen]

Frank Murphy wrote:

Can any of the fedora supplied, GUI Burners,
burn multiple copies concurrent.
Looking at setting up a PC based Duplicator.

Any controller card better than another Fedora POV?
May 6 devices Internal.

In addition to bandwidth issues, this really is best addresses as a script. Are 
you going to burn multiple copies of the same data or multiple things at once 
(doesn't change the bandwidth issue for backplane, does for disk).


Check power supply for that load...

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Re: service

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 02:33:54AM +, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 02:47:30AM +, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What is the service/daemon with make that rpm db is regularly locked ?
>>> Thank
>>>
>>
>> You should see the process id of the locker.  Do a "ps -efl | grep PID"
>> to be sure.   I suspect you will find that gnome starts "gpk-update-icon"
>> and friends on a schedule.
> Yes, how can I avoid it ?
> I do not see it in the list of services !
>
>>
>> See "system --> preferences --> system --> Software Updates.
>>
>> Look for the check for updates timer.


It is not a "service" in the same way that sendmail or ntpd are.

Think of it as a desktop activity. As such use desktop tools to manage
it.  Try a right click on the icon and set the polling to something like
weekly or monthly.   You can set it to never run but never updating 
is problematic in itself.

I like to let it download updates and notify me to install them.   This
can speed up the install when I elect to do it.  There is no special
value in turning it off downloading updates is something I suspect you do want.



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This is a customized spin XFCE desktop on Fedora 10 with all updates
to 23-Jan-2009.

_Warning_: this is NOT official product of Fedora Project, just my
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Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size

[Les]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 11:43 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 09:03 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 15:42 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > > Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > This is explained in nearly all textbooks on Computer Architecture. So
> > > > the question remains, where is the address space in Linux.
> > > 
> > > Patrick isn't the only one confused by your question.  I can't make 
> > > heads or tails of it.  Are you asking where the mapping between the 
> > > virtual address space and physical memory is done, or what?
> > > 
> > No I am asking where the virtual address space resides of the machine.
> 
> No, sorry, nothing coming through. The question as phrased makes no
> sense.
> 
> If you're asking where does a given address in the virtual address space
> map to, it depends on whether the corresponding page of the process
> address space is currently in RAM, or on backing store (disk or
> whatever), or nowhere because it hasn't been allocated, but the question
> "where is the address space" has no meaning.
> 
> Furthermore, the *machine* as such has no "virtual address space".
> 
> poc
> 
Ok, let me give this a try. Feel free to correct or disregard this if my
explanation is in error or doesn't match what some of you know.

A computer consists of:

cpu... the processor.  It addresses memory via bits on its output
address lines.
Cache... This is the fastest memory and these days is part of the
processor's internal hardware.  This is actually where code is executed.
This memory gets loaded by pages, and the size of a page is determined
by hardware design in a special block of the processor called the MMU or
memory management unit.
Main memory... This is the bulk memory that is commonly known as the
SIMM cards or DIMM cards with DDR memory on it.

The MMU has a limited addressing range.  If the total number of address
lines is 32, it can only access 0x to 0x, and that is
somewhat more limited by certain requirements for the system.  For
example location 0...XXX where XXX is determined by the processor design
in an INTEL processor is where the interrupt vectors reside.  At the
same time, some memory is reserved for shared applications, such as 
VIDEO memory or Audio memory or in some cases Array processor memory.
Another block is reserved for swap memory.  The MMU knows about swap
memory, but not the others.  These other hardware pieces often have
their own MMU's that can control how the main CPU views their memory.
And in some cases the MMUs have a control or flag access space that will
let them communicate to what ever degree they need to.

Now this is just background up to now.  Now lets talk about
applications.  An application has data space and program space.  They
seldom overlap, and the locations within data space are typically
intermittantly addressed.  That is when the application is running, the
operation will typically address a relatively small portion of the data
address space for several operations, then move to another portion of
the data address space and work there for a while. In addition, the data
space is usually quite large compared to the program size.  So using a
memory architecture that only keeps a portion of the data in place at
one time is beneficial and yields a cheaper system that can still handle
a very large data space.  For example, the typical INTEL system has 2
CPU's today (dual core) 2 to 8M of embedded cache memory, sometimes some
external cache memory, and a full memory space of 512-2G of main memory.
Attached to this is one or more disks giving storage of up to a few
hundred gigabytes of storage and occasionally a server with up to
2Terabytes of storage.  Now how do you access say a data base of 2G of
data?  One way is to create a "virtual address space" that runs from say
0x000 to 0xFFF.  Now this address space spans
2Terabytes.  But the data is actually on the disk.  So we add another
form of memory cache, using a swap space, and a bit of software to map
the "virtual address space" in blocks into the actual memory used for
swap.  This virtual addressing scheme maps some disk sectors as the true
location which is called the logical address, and the actual disk
sectors become the blocks to move in and out.  Those blocks are now the
physical address space.  So the software mmu operates by simply
detecting whether a specific address call to the virtual address is ther
or not.  If not that is called a page miss, or cache miss, and generates
an interrupt, the processor then sends the software module into action,
requesting the oldest block be written to the disk, and the new address
block be read in.

So literally the "virtual address" doesn't exist in the machine except
as a block reference number that is mapped to a specific disk sector
(which is why swap space is not set up like a regular disk partition)
and can be referenced more or less l

Re: music download sites?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 24 January 2009 18:05:44 Steven Stern wrote:
> On 01/20/2009 01:29 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > Kevin Kempter wrote:
> >> Hi all;
> >>
> >> anyone out there using one of the pay for music download sites?
> >
> > I use both AmazonMP3 and Magnatune occasionally.
> >
> > Magnatune is perfect (Ogg Vorbis or FLAC, no downloader needed, etc.),
> > except it doesn't have any mainstream artists.
> >
> > AmazonMP3 has a (proprietary) downloader for Linux that works well.  I'd
> > like the downloader to be FOSS, and offer Ogg Vorbis, but...
>
> I can't get the Amazon downloader to work  on F10. It does work on F9,
> however.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/help/amd.html
>
I found that it wasn't needed, so I'm pleased that I didn't have to install 
it.

Anne


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Re: remove

[Andreas Waldenburger]

Almost! :)

See below for 

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Re: pdf creation tool?

[Frank Cox]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:38:53 -0500
Bill Davidsen wrote:

> I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in case I ever 
> need 
> it. I have the scan software, I can easily create an image of each page, or 
> save 
> the page in postscript or pdf. What I don't have is a simple tool which will 
> easily allow me to put the pages into a single document, and possibly add an 
> index so I can find things if needed.

You will find that pdftk is very useful for many things pdf-related.

The bad news is that it is no longer available from "official" Fedora
repositories.

The good news is that you can compile the Fedora 7 pdftk
(pdftk-1.41-5.fc7.src.rpm) on Fedora 9 and 10.

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[David Tolo]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM,  wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Will btfrs file system obsolete LVM? (Rahul Sundaram)
>   2. Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size (Aaron Konstam)
>   3. Samba problem (Paul Smith)
>   4. Re: ATT's DSL Lite for Linux (g)
>   5. Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size (Patrick O'Callaghan)
>   6. Re: gdm - displaying of information/ F10 (Mail Lists)
>   7. Routing problem - was FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working,IP
>  forwarding isn't (Gary Stainburn)
>   8. Re: F10+ Burn multiple discs concurrent from iso?
>  (Mikkel L. Ellertson)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:28:08 +0530
> From: Rahul Sundaram 
> Subject: Re: Will btfrs file system obsolete LVM?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,   and advice for using
>Fedora." 
> Message-ID: <497b2c80.30...@fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Leslie Satenstein wrote:
> > My question is in the subject line.
> >
>
> Btrfs will take more time to mature  (maybe a couple more releases
> atleast) but essentially, yes.
>
> Btrfs features are listed in
>
> http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
>
> Rahul
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:03:28 -0600
> From: Aaron Konstam 
> Subject: Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,   and advice for using
>Fedora." 
> Message-ID: <1232809408.3158.25.ca...@cyrus>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 15:42 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > >
> > > This is explained in nearly all textbooks on Computer Architecture. So
> > > the question remains, where is the address space in Linux.
> >
> > Patrick isn't the only one confused by your question.  I can't make
> > heads or tails of it.  Are you asking where the mapping between the
> > virtual address space and physical memory is done, or what?
> >
> No I am asking where the virtual address space resides of the machine.
> --
> ===
> Pie are not square. Pie are round. Cornbread are square.
> ===
> Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:05:22 +
> From: Paul Smith 
> Subject: Samba problem
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement,   and advice for using
>Fedora." 
> Message-ID:
><6ade6f6c0901240705j3880108fo1d7719cd3c078...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dear All,
>
> I could access to a directory in my F10 partition from a VMware
> virtual machine (MS Windows2000) through Samba, but not now. This is
> very strange because I have not changed any samba settings. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:31:24 +
> From: g 
> Subject: Re: ATT's DSL Lite for Linux
> To: fedora-list 
> Message-ID: <497b344c.1040...@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Tim wrote:
>
> > A Dlink DIR-300.  I'm none-too-impressed with it, for more than just
> > that reason.
>
> it is nice to 'be true to your native country', but some times a simple
> search on google will help you make up your mind.
>
> --
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>
> tc,hago.
>
> g
> .
>
> 
> in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
> **
> help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today
> **
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Re: Routing problem - was FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working, IP forwarding isn't

[Steve Forsythe]

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Gary Stainburn wrote:
| On Saturday 24 January 2009 11:19:05 Giany wrote:
|> If you say ip_forward is enabled then either there is a routing problem
|> or some firewall issue.
|>
|
| I've been going round in circles all day and now my head's spinning. I
even
| got it working once, but don't know how and can't repeat it.
|
| Iptables on all four machines set ACCEPT on INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD. IP
| forwarding enabled on both gateways.
|
| This only leaves routing.
|
| Both gateways talk to each other.
| Client and Server can talk to their local gateway
| Local gateway can talk to remote server.
| Remote gateway cannot talk to client
| Client cannot talk to remote gateway or server
| server cannot talk to local gateway or client
|
| Layout
|
| Clienteth010.6.1.2/16
|
|   Network 10.6.0.0/16
|
| Local GW  eth010.6.1.1/16
|   eth1192.168.1.1/24 (internet connection)
|   ppp0192.168.127.2/32 P-to-P 192.168.127.1
|
|   VPN ppp-over-ssh
|
| Remoteeth010.1.1.115/16
| GWppp1192.168.127.1/32 P-to-P 192.168.127.2
|
|   Network 10.1.0.0/16
|
| Servereth010.1.1.104
|
| route tables
|
| Client
| Kernel IP routing table
| Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use Iface
| 192.168.128.1   10.6.1.1255.255.255.255 UGH   0  0
0 eth0
| 192.168.127.1   10.6.1.1255.255.255.255 UGH   0  0
0 eth0
| 10.6.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1  0
0 eth0
| 0.0.0.0 10.6.1.10.0.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
|
| Local Gateway
| Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use Iface
| 192.168.127.1   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  0
0 ppp0
| 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  0
0 eth1
| 10.2.0.0192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 ppp0
| 136.0.0.0   192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 ppp0
| 10.1.0.0192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 ppp0
| 10.6.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  0
0 eth0
| 10.5.0.0192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 ppp0
| 172.0.0.0   192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 ppp0
| 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  0
0 eth1
| 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254   0.0.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth1
|
| Remote Gateway
| Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use Iface
| 192.168.127.2   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  0
0 ppp1
| 10.2.0.010.1.1.1255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 172.24.0.0  10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 10.1.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  0
0 eth0
| 10.4.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 10.5.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 136.9.0.0   10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  0
0 eth0
| 0.0.0.0 10.1.1.112  0.0.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
|
| Server
| Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use Iface
| 192.168.127.2   10.1.1.115  255.255.255.255 UGH   0  0
0 eth0
| 10.2.0.010.1.1.1255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 172.24.0.0  10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 10.1.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  0
0 eth0
| 10.6.0.010.1.1.115  255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 10.4.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 10.5.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 136.9.0.0   10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
| 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  0
0 eth0
| 0.0.0.0 10.1.1.112  0.0.0.0 UG0  0
0 eth0
|
|
Perhaps I'm overlooking something, but the remote gateway does not
appear to have a route to the 10.6 network via 192.168.127.2. It looks
to me like traffic to 10.6 would go via the default to 10.1.1.112.


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Re: music download sites?

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On 01/20/2009 01:29 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> Hi all;
>>
>> anyone out there using one of the pay for music download sites?
> 
> I use both AmazonMP3 and Magnatune occasionally.
> 
> Magnatune is perfect (Ogg Vorbis or FLAC, no downloader needed, etc.),
> except it doesn't have any mainstream artists.
> 
> AmazonMP3 has a (proprietary) downloader for Linux that works well.  I'd
> like the downloader to be FOSS, and offer Ogg Vorbis, but...
> 

I can't get the Amazon downloader to work  on F10. It does work on F9,
however.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/help/amd.html



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Re: music download sites?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 24 January 2009 17:02:40 Thomas Cameron wrote:
> I've had long debates with some friends about downloading MP3s.  For me,
> I wind up downloading MP3s for music I find interesting but not worth
> buying the CD for.  So in my case, I can honestly say that the whole
> RIAA argument about musicians having lost revenue are complete bullshit.
>  If I find an artist I *really* like, I will go and buy the CD.  It's
> worth 15 cents a track to check out an artist I'm not familiar with.  No
> way would I plunk down $12-$15 for the same CD.

Artists lose revenue through illegal file-sharing.  Artists gain revenue if 
you buy from reputable sites.  Magnatune guarantee that the artist will get 
50% of whatever you pay (I don't know how they split it when you buy monthly 
subscriptions).  I bought a CD in wav form for burning because it fitted a 
particular niche.  If I'd paid the recommended $5 (I paid slightly more) the 
artist would have got a great deal more than he would get from a £12-£15 shop-
bought one.  Incidentally, they will actually burn a disc and send it to you 
for only a small extra charge.

I'm sure there are other services equally good and maybe offering a slightly 
different set of services.

Anne


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Re: pdf creation tool?

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On 01/24/2009 11:38 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in case I
> ever need it. I have the scan software, I can easily create an image of
> each page, or save the page in postscript or pdf. What I don't have is a
> simple tool which will easily allow me to put the pages into a single
> document, and possibly add an index so I can find things if needed.
> 
> Any suggestions? I can certainly live with what I have, I can get the
> information back for online reading or hard copy if needed, but it's ugly.
> 

yum install gscan2pdf pdfedit


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Re: gdm - displaying of information/ F10

[Jonathan Dieter]

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 22:50 -0500, Mail Lists wrote:
> Our policy is to minimize information leakage - we recently switched
> from kdm/kde to gdm/gnome and I cannot find how to adjust gdm greeter to
> achieve :
> 
> 
>   (1) stop list of users displayed

Run this from the command line:
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source
xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory -s
--type=bool /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list true

> 
>   (2) stop last user being displayed

Should automatically work if you don't see a user list.
> 
>   (3) control the banner/logo content

Haven't tried this, don't know how to make it work.

If you make the change in (1), then when you log in, all you'll see is
the "Other" selection, which you then click on and type in the username
and password.

Jonathan


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pdf creation tool?

[Bill Davidsen]

I would like to convert some old paper documentation to PDF in case I ever need 
it. I have the scan software, I can easily create an image of each page, or save 
the page in postscript or pdf. What I don't have is a simple tool which will 
easily allow me to put the pages into a single document, and possibly add an 
index so I can find things if needed.


Any suggestions? I can certainly live with what I have, I can get the 
information back for online reading or hard copy if needed, but it's ugly.


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Re: music download sites?

[Thomas Cameron]

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Kevin Kempter wrote:
> Hi all;
> 
> anyone out there using one of the pay for music download sites? I'm wanting 
> to 
> find one that does not require windows or mac software to simply download the 
> mp3 files, or other such stupidity.
> 
> Suggestions ?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 

http://gomusic.ru

According to their legal information page, they are legal in Russia.
Whether that makes them legal to download from in your country, I have
no idea.  I have been using them for well over a year with no identity
theft or security issues.  Their tech support is lightning fast to
respond, customer service is great, and MP3s are something like 15
cents/track when you buy by the album.

I've had long debates with some friends about downloading MP3s.  For me,
I wind up downloading MP3s for music I find interesting but not worth
buying the CD for.  So in my case, I can honestly say that the whole
RIAA argument about musicians having lost revenue are complete bullshit.
 If I find an artist I *really* like, I will go and buy the CD.  It's
worth 15 cents a track to check out an artist I'm not familiar with.  No
way would I plunk down $12-$15 for the same CD.

Also, if you've not tried http://www.pandora.com, you really should.
You plug in an artist or song you like and it finds similar music based
on what the call the music genome.  Things like beats per minute, vocal
quality, syncopation and rhythm and so on.  I've been introduced to a
ton of new (to me) artists that I really like that way.

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Re: F10+ Burn multiple discs concurrent from iso?

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Robin Laing wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Can any of the fedora supplied, GUI Burners,
>> burn multiple copies concurrent.
>> Looking at setting up a PC based Duplicator.
>>
>> Any controller card better than another Fedora POV?
>> May 6 devices Internal.
>>
>> Frank
>>
> 
> I think you would be better off using a script and a CLI tool.  It isn't
> that hard.  It may actually work better as each burner, even if
> identical will have different properties and operating characteristics.
> 
> But you ask a good question and it will be interesting to see.

I suspect that a SCSI controller, and an external LUN controller
with the drives in it would work better. I would not want the load
of 6 drives burring at the same time on the PC's power supply.
Depending on the burn speed, you might run into data transfer
problems on the PCI bus in any case. You could run external SATA
drives, but the cabling would be a problem and you still have the
PCI bus speed limit.

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Routing problem - was FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working, IP forwarding isn't

[Gary Stainburn]

On Saturday 24 January 2009 11:19:05 Giany wrote:
> If you say ip_forward is enabled then either there is a routing problem
> or some firewall issue.
>

I've been going round in circles all day and now my head's spinning. I even 
got it working once, but don't know how and can't repeat it.

Iptables on all four machines set ACCEPT on INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD. IP 
forwarding enabled on both gateways.

This only leaves routing.

Both gateways talk to each other.
Client and Server can talk to their local gateway
Local gateway can talk to remote server.
Remote gateway cannot talk to client
Client cannot talk to remote gateway or server
server cannot talk to local gateway or client

Layout

Client  eth010.6.1.2/16

Network 10.6.0.0/16

Local GWeth010.6.1.1/16
eth1192.168.1.1/24 (internet connection)
ppp0192.168.127.2/32 P-to-P 192.168.127.1

VPN ppp-over-ssh

Remote  eth010.1.1.115/16
GW  ppp1192.168.127.1/32 P-to-P 192.168.127.2

Network 10.1.0.0/16

Server  eth010.1.1.104

route tables

Client
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.128.1   10.6.1.1255.255.255.255 UGH   0  00 eth0
192.168.127.1   10.6.1.1255.255.255.255 UGH   0  00 eth0
10.6.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 10.6.1.10.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0

Local Gateway
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.127.1   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp0
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth1
10.2.0.0192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 ppp0
136.0.0.0   192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 ppp0
10.1.0.0192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 ppp0
10.6.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
10.5.0.0192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 ppp0
172.0.0.0   192.168.127.1   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 ppp0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth1
0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth1

Remote Gateway
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.127.2   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp1
10.2.0.010.1.1.1255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
172.24.0.0  10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
10.1.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
10.4.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
10.5.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
136.9.0.0   10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 10.1.1.112  0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0

Server
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.127.2   10.1.1.115  255.255.255.255 UGH   0  00 eth0
10.2.0.010.1.1.1255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
172.24.0.0  10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
10.1.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
10.6.0.010.1.1.115  255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
10.4.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
10.5.0.010.1.1.112  255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
136.9.0.0   10.1.1.16   255.255.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth0
0.0.0.0 10.1.1.112  0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0






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Re: gdm - displaying of information/ F10

[Mail Lists]

On 01/24/2009 09:01 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 22:50 -0500, Mail Lists wrote:
>>  Our policy is to minimize information leakage - we recently switched
>> from kdm/kde to gdm/gnome and I cannot find how to adjust gdm greeter to
>> achieve :
> 
> Dear Mr Lists

  I did put my name at the bottom.

> 
> Have you considered using kdm with Gnome?

  Yep, as I said in the original post

  ++ I did try kdm but there was some nasty white flash before the blue
  ++ background was loaded as gnome/metacity was started by kdm)

  This was only on one computer where I ran the test, a lenovo laptop
with nvidia graphics. Its a possible workaround for gdm - I am still
wondering how to do it with gdm tho'. We are obviously most concerned
with laptops rather than desktops.

  As an aside, we plan to revisit kde periodically to see if its
usability and configurabilty are maturing back to kde 3.5 type of
levels. Fro the time being we have switched to gnome.

 Thanks for your suggestion

  gene/


> 
> poc
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Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 09:03 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 15:42 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > 
> > > This is explained in nearly all textbooks on Computer Architecture. So
> > > the question remains, where is the address space in Linux.
> > 
> > Patrick isn't the only one confused by your question.  I can't make 
> > heads or tails of it.  Are you asking where the mapping between the 
> > virtual address space and physical memory is done, or what?
> > 
> No I am asking where the virtual address space resides of the machine.

No, sorry, nothing coming through. The question as phrased makes no
sense.

If you're asking where does a given address in the virtual address space
map to, it depends on whether the corresponding page of the process
address space is currently in RAM, or on backing store (disk or
whatever), or nowhere because it hasn't been allocated, but the question
"where is the address space" has no meaning.

Furthermore, the *machine* as such has no "virtual address space".

poc

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Re: ATT's DSL Lite for Linux

[g]

Tim wrote:

> A Dlink DIR-300.  I'm none-too-impressed with it, for more than just
> that reason.

it is nice to 'be true to your native country', but some times a simple
search on google will help you make up your mind.

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Samba problem

[Paul Smith]

Dear All,

I could access to a directory in my F10 partition from a VMware
virtual machine (MS Windows2000) through Samba, but not now. This is
very strange because I have not changed any samba settings. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 15:42 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > 
> > This is explained in nearly all textbooks on Computer Architecture. So
> > the question remains, where is the address space in Linux.
> 
> Patrick isn't the only one confused by your question.  I can't make 
> heads or tails of it.  Are you asking where the mapping between the 
> virtual address space and physical memory is done, or what?
> 
No I am asking where the virtual address space resides of the machine.
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Re: Will btfrs file system obsolete LVM?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Leslie Satenstein wrote:

My question is in the subject line.



Btrfs will take more time to mature  (maybe a couple more releases 
atleast) but essentially, yes.


Btrfs features are listed in

http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page

Rahul

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Re: Fedora AOS

[Kevin Kofler]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Aaarrggh ... acronym overload ... must abort parsing ...

FEL = Fedora Electronic Lab

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Fedora AOS

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 10:40 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> What does one do with F10 AOS *.raw file?
> 
> attempting to give one to my tutor,
> along with FEL. He used work with plc(s)

Aaarrggh ... acronym overload ... must abort parsing ...

poc

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Re: gdm - displaying of information/ F10

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 22:50 -0500, Mail Lists wrote:
>  Our policy is to minimize information leakage - we recently switched
> from kdm/kde to gdm/gnome and I cannot find how to adjust gdm greeter to
> achieve :

Dear Mr Lists

Have you considered using kdm with Gnome?

poc

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Re: Amazon Kindle and Fedora

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 18:04 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > Sounds good, however my objection to the Kindle business model is that
> > you can't lend a book to a friend, something I do all the time with
> > printed books.
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> That depends on where you buy books. I buy mainly from Baen's web
> site. They do not use copy protection on their books. They have
> found that your being able to lend an ebook to a friend actually
> increases the sales of the dead tree versions. They even give some
> of their books away for free.

Naturally, but unless I want to limit myself to Baen's catalogue that's
not really relevant. A mainstream book from Amazon is still going to be
DRM-encumbered.

poc

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Re: no sound via headphone jack with the latest kernel - anyone solved this ?

[Brian Millett]

On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 13:23 +0100, Phil Bieber wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 15:43, Culapov Andrei  wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Kevin Kempter
> >  wrote:
> >> Hi all;
> >>
> >> Just wondering if anyone has managed to find a fix for the no sound 
> >> through the
> >> headphone jack issue in the latest kernel ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >
> > same problem for me to in F10
> >
> 
> Hi!
> I have the same problem on a DELL Inspiron 640m / E1405 notebook. I'm
> currently booting into an older version ...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477888


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Sound not working with F9-64 bit on Asus M3N78-EM

[M. Fioretti]

Hello,

I have F9 x86_64 with all updates applied running on this board.
Everything works except audio. I have read that other Linux users have
succeeded to get audio work, at least partially, on this board, so I'd
need help to figure out if and how I can do the same with
Fedora.

When I start Amarok from the command line and try to play ogg files, I get no 
erros at the console, except:

Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use 
amarokapp.
QLayout "unnamed" added to QVBox "unnamed", which already has a layout
QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) to layout for 
PlaylistWindow/PlaylistWindow
QObject::connect: Incompatible sender/receiver arguments
StarManager::ratingsColorsChanged() --> 
ContextBrowser::ratingOrScoreOrLabelsChanged(const QString&)

which I don't think have anything to do with this problem, have they now?

If I start firefox from the command line and try to play a Youtube
video, I get these audio errors on the console:

ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1429:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library 
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so

I have found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431659, but
am not sure what to make out of it.  I have alsa-lib installed, but
there is no /usr/lib/alsa-lib directory. What's the next step? What
should I do to make sound work on F9, since the hw is capable of doing it under 
Linux?

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Re: no sound via headphone jack with the latest kernel - anyone solved this ?

[Phil Bieber]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 15:43, Culapov Andrei  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Kevin Kempter
>  wrote:
>> Hi all;
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone has managed to find a fix for the no sound through 
>> the
>> headphone jack issue in the latest kernel ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>
> same problem for me to in F10
>

Hi!
I have the same problem on a DELL Inspiron 640m / E1405 notebook. I'm
currently booting into an older version ...

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Re: database mess up

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello Panu,

Thank for your advices,

So, you think that their is  not enough inodes ?
I do not really understand what is wrong.
What need to be moved on another fs (ie. with blocksize 4096) ?
/var/lib/rpm ?
/usr/lib ?
/var ?

I have /
/usr, /usr/lib, /usr/local/ /tmp, /home

Thank again.



On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote:


On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote:


Hello,

For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up.
rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially.
The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them.
How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ?


Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated 
before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and 
copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able 
to make fairly good recovery with something like:


# mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted
# mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download
# yumdownloader `sed -e "s/.rpm$//g" /root/rpmpkgs.backup`
# rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm

The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin 
with.
Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting 
full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var 
on?



Hello Panu,

The larger rpmpkgs file is the following one:
rpmpkgs-20090111
from 2008-12-30
The following one is only 462 block compared to 61748
Concerning the message files, I attached the last one, I do not see 
anything bad, the CPU0 temperature is 34 °C, so I do not thing that it is
wrong. However the -12V and +12V are wrong according to gkrellM system 
monitor. But is it right, I doubt that the machine would work with 0.63 
and 3.95 V instead.

Furthermore concerning the messages file, /messages-20090111 is empty
as well as the following one: messages-20090118

/var is ext3 (on /)
/usr, /usr/lib, /usr/local are lvm2

What do you thing ?


Nothing out of ordinary there.. what does 'stat -f /var' say on these 
problematic systems (as you said you have two systems with these 
problems)?


It gives:

 File: "/var"
   ID: 590562c6b464a80b Namelen: 255 Type: ext2/ext3
Block size: 1024   Fundamental block size: 1024



Bingo...


Blocks: Total: 3019460Free: 1030413Available: 876994
Inodes: Total: 384000 Free: 356630



Noticed from the df output in another mail that the root partition was 
fairly small so it might be subject to a more or less known issue of 
filesystem blocksize of 1024 (at least on ext3) causing rpmdb corruption.



do you think that blocksize of 1024 is bad ?


It's almost certainly the cause of the rpmdb mess you're seeing. This has 
been seen on both Fedora and Mandriva:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=181363
https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32547

...and reformatting with a block size of 4096 or moving rpmdb to another fs 
with that block size is known to avoid the problems, caused by what is 
supposedly a kernel/fs bug.


- Panu -




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Re: FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working, IP forwarding isn't

[Giany]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Gary Stainburn <
gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk> wrote:

> On Saturday 24 January 2009 10:06:01 Giany wrote:
> > I guess its normal not to pass because the next gateways dont "know"
>  what
> > 10.x/192.x ips are.
> > I think either you have to export those IPs to the next gateways either
> you
> > enable nat
> > for each VPN, smth like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j
> > MASQUERADE (fastest
> > way) where eth0 is your interface for internet.
>
> The routing isn't the problem.
>
> Local gateway   eth0 10.6.1.1 ppp0 192.168.127.2
> Remote gateway  eth0 10.1.1.6 ppp0 192.168.127.1
>
> Local routes add -net 10.1.0.0/16 gw 192.168.127.1
>
> traceroute from local gateway to 10.1.1.1 gets as far as 192.168.127.1 and
> stops
>


If you say ip_forward is enabled then either there is a routing problem
or some firewall issue.

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Re: FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working, IP forwarding isn't

[Gary Stainburn]

On Saturday 24 January 2009 10:06:01 Giany wrote:
> I guess its normal not to pass because the next gateways dont "know"  what
> 10.x/192.x ips are.
> I think either you have to export those IPs to the next gateways either you
> enable nat
> for each VPN, smth like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j
> MASQUERADE (fastest
> way) where eth0 is your interface for internet.

The routing isn't the problem.

Local gateway   eth0 10.6.1.1 ppp0 192.168.127.2
Remote gateway  eth0 10.1.1.6 ppp0 192.168.127.1

Local routes add -net 10.1.0.0/16 gw 192.168.127.1

traceroute from local gateway to 10.1.1.1 gets as far as 192.168.127.1 and 
stops


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Fedora AOS

[Frank Murphy]

What does one do with F10 AOS *.raw file?

attempting to give one to my tutor,
along with FEL. He used work with plc(s)


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Re: FC9 Linux gateways, VPN working, IP forwarding isn't

[Giany]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Gary Stainburn <
gary.stainb...@ringways.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi folks.
>
> I've given up on openswan because it won't work though my ADSL router.
>
> I've now got a very simple ppp-over-ssh VPN working using the following
> script
>
> /usr/sbin/pppd updetach noauth passive \
>  pty "ssh $HOST -P -o Batchmode=yes /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach notty noauth" \
>  $LocIP:$RemIP
>
> I'm using 192.167.127.1 and .2 for the VPN
>
> My local LAN is 10.6.0.0/16 and the remote is 10.1.0.0/16
>
> The VPN works, and from each end I can ssh to the remote end using either
> it's
> 192. or 10.  IP address.
>
> On each gateway, and on the test hosts on each LAN I have set up the
> appropriate routes. On each gateway I have enabled IP  Forwarding by
> running
>
> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
>
> and made it permenant by editing /etc/sysctl.conf. I even rebooted to make
> sure.
>
> However, I cannot get anything to work except gateway to gateway. Anything
> behind the gateways cannot get past their local gateway.
>
> Anyone know what I've missed?



I guess its normal not to pass because the next gateways dont "know"  what
10.x/192.x ips are.
I think either you have to export those IPs to the next gateways either you
enable nat
for each VPN, smth like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
(fastest
way) where eth0 is your interface for internet.

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Re: database mess up

[Panu Matilainen]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote:


On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Panu Matilainen wrote:


On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote:


Hello,

For a reason that I ignore my database is totallt mess up.
rpm --rebuilddb only rebuild iy partially.
The packages are installed, but rpm --rebuilddb does not see them.
How can I recover them without resintalling them manually ?


Find the latest intact /var/log/rpmpkgs* file (ie one that got generated 
before the db got corrupted, file size should be a good indicator) and 
copy it somewhere safe, say /root/rpmpkgs.backup. Now you should be able 
to make fairly good recovery with something like:


# mv /var/lib/rpm /var/lib/rpm.busted
# mkdir /var/tmp/download; cd /var/tmp/download
# yumdownloader `sed -e "s/.rpm$//g" /root/rpmpkgs.backup`
# rpm -Uvh --notriggers --noscripts --justdb *.rpm

The question of course is, what got the database corrupted to begin with.
Did anything out of the ordinary happen at that time, like /var getting 
full? Segfaults logged in /var/log/messages*? What filesystem is /var on?



Hello Panu,

The larger rpmpkgs file is the following one:
rpmpkgs-20090111
from 2008-12-30
The following one is only 462 block compared to 61748
Concerning the message files, I attached the last one, I do not see 
anything bad, the CPU0 temperature is 34 °C, so I do not thing that it is
wrong. However the -12V and +12V are wrong according to gkrellM system 
monitor. But is it right, I doubt that the machine would work with 0.63 
and 3.95 V instead.

Furthermore concerning the messages file, /messages-20090111 is empty
as well as the following one: messages-20090118

/var is ext3 (on /)
/usr, /usr/lib, /usr/local are lvm2

What do you thing ?


Nothing out of ordinary there.. what does 'stat -f /var' say on these 
problematic systems (as you said you have two systems with these problems)?


It gives:

 File: "/var"
   ID: 590562c6b464a80b Namelen: 255 Type: ext2/ext3
Block size: 1024   Fundamental block size: 1024

 

Bingo...


Blocks: Total: 3019460Free: 1030413Available: 876994
Inodes: Total: 384000 Free: 356630



Noticed from the df output in another mail that the root partition was 
fairly small so it might be subject to a more or less known issue of 
filesystem blocksize of 1024 (at least on ext3) causing rpmdb corruption.



do you think that blocksize of 1024 is bad ?


It's almost certainly the cause of the rpmdb mess you're seeing. This has 
been seen on both Fedora and Mandriva:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=181363
https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32547

...and reformatting with a block size of 4096 or moving rpmdb to another 
fs with that block size is known to avoid the problems, caused by what is 
supposedly a kernel/fs bug.


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