Re: A bug in syslogd?

[Peter Teoh]

Thanks Cameron,

Sorry to get back you late on this.   yes, so if it is just purely
just getting the message, and then discard, and then getting it
againthere are a few optimization possible (sorry, i did not look
at source, but just guessing):

a.   allocate a ring buffer, so as to be reused all the time, without
allocation.
b.   if the config file (syslogd.conf) say discard, then then there
should be ZERO copying of the messages generated by the printk() codes
originating from kernel source codes.   I instrumented the kernel
source to do printk()but because the execution path is hot, as it
is traversed many times over, CPU activities really rises up very
high.but in actual fact my /var/log/messages is ZERO content.
i am quite sure there is some under-optimization somewhere.

Thanks.


On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Cameron Simpson  wrote:
> On 23Jan2009 17:34, Peter Teoh  wrote:
> | I did a simple thing - modified my syslog.conf:
> |
> | cat /etc/syslog.conf
> | mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none   /var/log/messages
> |
> | So virtually, there is nothing to go to /var/log/messages, although my
> | dmesg's output did output a lot of other stuffas I instrumented
> | the kernel to do printk()something like every file traversal will
> | generate several entries in dmesg output.
> |
> | Nevertheless, since /var/log/messages to get, as I check, its content
> | is always zero (after I did an initial truncation) - why is syslogd
> | showing such a high performance:
> [...]
> | Over a period of time, I observed that klogd and syslogd is toggling
> | to be among the top few candidate all the time - toggling, meaning
> | switching between one and another.
> |
> | Can someone explained this behavior?   Shouldn't the syslogd be
> | consuming almost zero cpu % since there is zero output to
> | /var/log/messages?
>
> Not really. Your kernel logging is still _all_ going through syslogd,
> which is quietly deciding not to _copy_ it into the messages file. But
> it still has to consider and then discard) every kernel message.
>
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application to suck up RSS to local storage?

[Peter Teoh]

I know thunderbird can be used to view RSS news feed, but, like IMAP,
the content is not stored locally, and thus viewing the pages are
slow.

Is there any application in Redhat which I can use to download RSS
newsfeed, so that I can view it locally without much latency delays?

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Re: Sound with gstreamer-apps is unbearable

[Richard Hughes]

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 21:20 -0800, john wendel wrote:
>  I found that "yum remove gstreamer\*" worked great on my box. And I 
> don't use pulseaudio, just configure things to connect directly to
> alsa. I never skips!

I do yum remove xorg-x11-\*.

The terminal never shows me the busy cursor.

Seriously tho, if as much effort went into fixing the bug as finding
workarounds, it would be fixed already.

Richard.


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Re: Sound with gstreamer-apps is unbearable

[Antonio M]

2009/1/29 Richard Hughes :
> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 21:20 -0800, john wendel wrote:
>>  I found that "yum remove gstreamer\*" worked great on my box. And I
>> don't use pulseaudio, just configure things to connect directly to
>> alsa. I never skips!
>
> I do yum remove xorg-x11-\*.
>
> The terminal never shows me the busy cursor.
>
> Seriously tho, if as much effort went into fixing the bug as finding
> workarounds, it would be fixed already.
>
> Richard.
>
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I am waiting that Bug 479525 -  Kernel doesn't complete booting  is
taken in consideration in order to test 29 series kernel that should
hopefully solve the problem with sound... but this is for rawhide
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Re: Why is uid/gid 350 bad? [WAS: Re: f10 gdm user hide]

[Morgan Read]

On 26/01/09 10:34, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:29:39PM +1300, Morgan Read wrote:
>> Hi Folks
>>
>> I've just set up a user account for our scanner - no the scanner will
>> never login at GDM (will ftp in).  So, after much gnashing of teeth,
>> I've given it a uid/gid of 350 so that it doesn't show up in the GDM
>> login (it seem the only way to hid a user account is to give it a
>> uid/gid below 500).  How long before this rash move turns my machine
>> into a smoking pile of ash?
>>
>> Thanks all,
>> Morgan.
>>
>> On 13/12/08 14:21, Craig White wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 02:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Frank Cox wrote:
> Is there any way to remove a user's name from the list on the initial gdm
> login screen?
> Related:  Is there a way to reorganize the names?  For example, if the
> list has Fred at the top and Sally under that, can the order be reversed
> so Sally is on top?
> Scaling back my question again, does anyone know how to set the default
> username that is initially selected when gdm starts?  So if it's Fred's
> machine he doesn't always have to move the pointer off of Sally first
> before he logs in.
 I'd suggest trying KDM, which can actually be configured.

 su -
 yum install kdebase-workspace
 echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
 reboot

 (That's really "KDE" there, not "KDM".)
 If you want to make sure GNOME is the default desktop, you can add:
 echo 'DESKTOP="GNOME"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
 Likewise, DESKTOP="KDE" makes KDE the systemwide default.

 Then you can set up KDM through systemsettings (the KDE configuration 
 tool).

 You may lose some GNOME integration though (e.g. fast user switching),
 because obviously KDM was primarily designed for KDE.
>>> 
>>> +1 for KDM
>>>
>>> I've been able to edit themes rather simply and get some nice custom
>>> login screens and company backgrounds.
>>>
>>> Craig

Thanks Tom:)
> You should be fine.   Adding a pseudo user with a UID less
> than 500 and greater than 100 is fine.  Even smolt and pulseaudio does
> it.
> 
> As for top posting... that can cause you much more pain.
PS It was kinda 'cause it was a new post really...


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Re: secure-login related log messages when using kdm/gnome

[Mike Cloaked]

Bugzilla from kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
> 
> 
> You can try disabling the pam_gnome_keyring.so in /etc/pam.d/kde (which is
> what KDM uses), but then you'll have to unlock the keyring by hand (by
> typing the password again) after logging in.
> 
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In /etc/pam.d/kdm I presume which currently contains:
#%PAM-1.0
auth [success=done ignore=ignore default=bad] pam_selinux_permit.so
auth   requiredpam_env.so
auth   substacksystem-auth
auth   optionalpam_gnome_keyring.so
accountrequiredpam_nologin.so
accountinclude system-auth
password   include system-auth
sessionrequiredpam_selinux.so close
sessionrequiredpam_loginuid.so
sessionoptionalpam_console.so
sessionrequiredpam_selinux.so open
sessionoptionalpam_keyinit.so force revoke
sessionrequiredpam_namespace.so
sessionoptionalpam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start
sessioninclude system-auth

Exactly what do I change to disable pam_gnome_keyring?
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Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem

[samsir]

Please add the ' reboot=b ' entry in grub conf file.this will solve the issue.
title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686)
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro 
root=UUID=1b593f23-8feb-4463-b8a2-7e5c76947286 rhgb quiet reboot=b 
initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img
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Re: OpenOffice Draw for Site Maps?

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 January 2009 03:54:26 Marc Ferguson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm a web developer and I used to use Microsoft Visio to create my web site
> maps and other flow charts.  I'm now using OpenOffice and I believe Draw is
> the equivalent.  Unfortunately; their official link to a tutorial was to
> something silly like making labels.  Am I using the right tool and are
> there any examples or tutorials on just how robust this application is? 
> Thanks.

I can't answer about the OOo tool - I haven't used it.  However, you might 
find this helpful - it seems to do what you need:

http://userbase.kde.org/Kivio

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Re: Screen White-out

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 January 2009 07:59:19 Kirk Ziegler wrote:
> Clicked on Enable Desktop Effects and my screen went white.  I can see
> the cursor.  I tried the rescue disk but it was no help.
>
> Any suggestions will be helpful.
>
That sounds like a plasma crash to me - possibly your video card and desktop 
effect don't get on, but we can address that separately.  Meanwhile, you need 
to get out of plasma and restart it.  The details are at 
http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/4.1#My_panel_is_gone.2C_how_do_I_get_it_back.3F

(I know it's not the panel, but the method is the same.)  Basically, you need 
to run

kquitapp plasma; rm $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc; plasma

Sometimes you have to run each command separately.  Either way, a new login 
will recreate the necessary files, although you will have to re-configure them 
to what you want.  HTH

BTW, the later the version you have and the less likely you are to see this.  
However, there is always the problem of video cards.

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Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?

[Bryn M. Reeves]

Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote:

I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a
look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large
count of errors in some of the categories.

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Attributes Data
Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes
with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST
THRESH TYPE UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate
0x000f   087   086   006Pre-fail Always   -
13453278

Maybe.
3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   095   094   000Pre-fail 
Always   -   0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100

100   020Old_age Always   -   45 5
Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail 
Always   -   955

It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one
that high. This is your wake up call I believe.


That's a good result, not bad; those number count downwards.. that's
why the threshold is lower than the current or worst value.

See the manual page for smartctl for more information on interpreting
the output of the tool:

"Each Attribute also has a Threshold value (whose range is  0  to
255)  which  is printed under the heading "THRESH".  If the Nor-
malized value is less than or equal to the Threshold value, then
the  Attribute  is  said  to have failed.  If the Attribute is a
pre-failure Attribute, then disk failure is imminent."

Regards,
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Re: Internet connection in F10 via bluetooth-connected WM6 phone?

[Mike Cloaked]

Rick Stevens-3 wrote:
> 
> 
> I found a link that sorta describes this, but uses the USB instead of
> bluetooth:
> 
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340747
> 
> Carrying a USB cable in the laptop bag shouldn't be a huge problem.
> 
> 

OK I followed up on this, and decided to try that route - it turns out that
using the usb cable does work but not without some workarounds.

What I did was as follows:
1) plug in the usb cable from the HTC kaiser running WM6 to the laptop. The
laptop in fact has only ethernet and usb ports for networking but not
wireless. The ethernet port was not being used in this case.
2) NetworkManager recognises the connection and thinks it is connected to
auto-eth1 but at this stage there is no ip address or dns info set up, and
/etc/resolv.conf has no information provided by NM.
3) Now on the phone go to the Internet Sharing page, and clock "connect".
The facility and packages necessary to make the connection are already
installed in F10 and NM disconnects for a moment and then reconnects to auto
eth1, and NM thinks there is a connection available, and so does the phone.

4) ifconfig now looks good and shows a sensible ip address (in fact in the
range 192.168.0.100 or so for eth1. However no access is available to named
sites using ping, ssh or firefox at this stage, but ping does make a
connection to external sites by ip address!

5) Looking at /etc/resolv.conf the reason becomes clear.  The nameserver is
set as 192.168.0.1 (which is the phone) but the search is set to something
else that appears unrelated to the phone, and a "domain" is also set not
related to the phone, so NM has created a resolv.conf that fails to work. 
Manually editing resolv.conf to change the search line to "search
192.168.0.1" now works and ping, ssh and firefox do work but it is rather
slow.

6) Since this is not ideal, I made a new connection called htc-eth1 for NM
and set up the parameters by hand so that it would create a sensible
resolv.conf - now when the phone is plugged in via the usb line, and
connected from the phone end it makes the auto-eth1 connection as before but
with the incorrect resolv.conf, and merely clicking on the NM icon and
changing the connection to the htc-eth1 profile now works, and additionally
setting it up without tls between the laptop and phone speeds up the
connection a lot.

So the conclusion is that F10 is setup with the correct applications and
nearly gets it right out of the box - but it is necessary to make a work
around before you can use the connection. I presume that this is essentially
a bug in NM but I have not searched to see if there are any existing reports
in BZ yet.
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Login keyring weirdness

[Christoph Höger]

Hi,

I have this problem since f10 beta: Whenever I start evolution or run a
ssh connection with key based authentication enabled I am asked to
unlock my login keyring as it was not unlocked on login.

I am not able to unlock it with my login password. 

What am I supposed to enter here?

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Re: Internet connection in F10 via bluetooth-connected WM6 phone?

[Mike Cloaked]

Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> So the conclusion is that F10 is setup with the correct applications and
> nearly gets it right out of the box - but it is necessary to make a work
> around before you can use the connection. I presume that this is
> essentially a bug in NM but I have not searched to see if there are any
> existing reports in BZ yet.
> 

I guess these are related:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=458184
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480525
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Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bryn M. Reeves  wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> I've been having some quirky issues lately and decided to take a
>>> look at the SMART data for the disk. There seems to be a large
>>> count of errors in some of the categories.
>>>
>>> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Attributes Data
>>> Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes
>>> with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST
>>> THRESH TYPE UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate
>>> 0x000f   087   086   006Pre-fail Always   -
>>> 13453278
>>>
>> Maybe.
>>
>>> 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   095   094   000Pre-fail Always
>>>   -   0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100
>>> 100   020Old_age Always   -   45 5
>>> Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail Always
>>> -   955
>>>
>> It has to be about out of spare sectors, I haven't ever seen one
>> that high. This is your wake up call I believe.
>>
>
> That's a good result, not bad; those number count downwards.. that's
> why the threshold is lower than the current or worst value.
>
> See the manual page for smartctl for more information on interpreting
> the output of the tool:
>
> "Each Attribute also has a Threshold value (whose range is  0  to
> 255)  which  is printed under the heading "THRESH".  If the Nor-
> malized value is less than or equal to the Threshold value, then
> the  Attribute  is  said  to have failed.  If the Attribute is a
> pre-failure Attribute, then disk failure is imminent."
>
>
Not reallocated sectors.  I new disk has "zero" reallocated sectors.



SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED
WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   109   093   006Pre-fail
Always   -   198961952
  3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   093   093   000Pre-fail
Always   -   0
  4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
Always   -   9
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail
Always   -   0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   076   060   030Pre-fail
Always   -   45261344
  9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   099   099   000Old_age
Always   -   964

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compiz-fusion: how to set a different wallpaper on different desktop

[Dario Lesca]

Hi, I use wallpapoz for change the wallpaper on different desktop.
When I active compiz and change desktop, wallpapoz not work and do not
change the wallpaper on new desktop.

How to I can do that with compiz active?

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Re: compiz-fusion: how to set a different wallpaper on different desktop

[Neal Becker]

Dario Lesca wrote:

> Hi, I use wallpapoz for change the wallpaper on different desktop.
> When I active compiz and change desktop, wallpapoz not work and do not
> change the wallpaper on new desktop.
> 
> How to I can do that with compiz active?
> 
> Many thanks
>  
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PHP Mime Broken?

[das]

Hello Friends

I copied a part of an website with 'wget -ckr' and then when I opened
the files with a browser, none of the three GUI browsers Epiphany,
Firefox, or Galeon on my Fedora 8 are being able to open the PHP
files, like say index.php which is called by index.html. Even when I
gave the command 'Open With' what is happening that the browser is
opening another tab, and asking there once again how to open the *.php
files. As a test I sent some files in a tar to one of my friends who
is on Fedora 10, and they are opening fine.

What is happening there? Is the mime broken? And why? Any suggestion?
One thing, for the time being I will not be able to upgrade to Fedora
10, I am now too busy with a job to change OS. Anything else?

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Re: Need second opinion, is my HD failing?

[Bryn M. Reeves]

Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:

But in Richard's case, 955 seems odd to me:

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-failAlways
  -   955

Probably, you are right, and the value is OK. But I have never seen a
counting like
this before. I had a defective disk once, which increased 20 or 30 bad
sectors a day.
Therefore, such a high score would not be a surprise for me (Seagate
replaced the disk for me,
even it being more than 2 years old).


It is quite a high number and many of my drives do have raw values 
much closer to zero, although I have at least a few with raw values in 
the 100s that still have 100 as the normalised value and are working fine.


The problem with trying to interpret the raw values is that they are 
completely under the control of the vendor. The only thing S.M.A.R.T. 
specifies is the size of the field. Some vendors have previously taken 
a single field and used it to encode multiple values (e.g. breaking it 
up into several sub-fields). For example, some IBM drives encode three 
distinct temperature measurements in the raw value for the 
Temperature_Celsius attribute.


Because of this, unless you know the scheme being used for a given 
vendor/drive model it's impossible to make any accurate assumption 
from the raw value alone - you just have to trust the firmware to 
decrement the normalised value appropriately as the drive begins to 
deteriorate.


Regards,
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Re: PulseAudio doesn't start

[Roberto Ragusa]

Chris Bredesen wrote:
> 
> Jan 28 21:42:18 interlagos pulseaudio[4080]: module-alsa-sink.c: Error
> opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy

This means someone else opened the alsa device.
Try (as root)
  lsof -n | grep snd
  lsof -n | grep sound

Could be that some application not pulseaudio aware or, and that
happens to me a lot, pulseaudio running as another user.
If you su to another user in a terminal and run something which
tries to produce a sound, pulseaudio will try to autorun itself
as that user, leading an interesting fight between many pulseaudio
instances attempting to open the same alsa devices.

This is really annoying as you can not run different applications
as different users on the same desktop.

It is worse on F10.
On F9 the second user would try to contact the first pulseaudio
and get a permission denied, which could be simply solved with
  chmod 777 -R /tmp/pulse-*

I have no solution on F10.
Pulseaudio "cookies" may have to be involved in this scenario, but
the docs I found were not very assuring.

> Any clues?  The knock on effect of PA not starting is that Pidgin hangs
> hard when it tries to make noise.  Other colleagues of mine report this
> symptom as well...

Yes, it happens a lot with pidgin.
And a lot with mplayer too (audio stops randomly and is costantly out of sync).

This "one user at a time" mentality is really annoying.
Why isn't pulseaudio run as system level daemon and permission handled a simple
unix group? Who knows.

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Re: Strange Mouse behaviior

[Michael Comperchio]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

I wonder is anyone else had the same experience as I had with a new
Microsoft USB mouse.

I have a laptop that double boots to Win XP and F9. I bought a new
Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000. Everything was fine until I decided to use
the CD provided to install all the special effects in the XP
environment.


  
Beware, dual boot, Fedora knows windows is out there and doesn't like 
it! I think that re-booting to windows is what caused F10 to not sync 
with my Lifedrive. So now I stay out of the windows side. I wonder how 
long F10 is going to make me pay penance?


Sorry, I know this isn't an answer, but I couldn't resist, because I 
kinda believe it!

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Re: ATT's DSL Lite for Linux

[g]

reviews are usually biased. especially when they are at a site that is
selling product. this is why it is best to google and only read what is
posted to tsl's.

having limited chose in buying local is only beneficial if you want fast
warranty replacement. granted online buy does delay replacement, but there
are places that will express ship 'no extra charge'.

it is best when it comes to computer equipment to shop early and buy only
after, if you want a 'good deal'. granted, not always easy to do.

just another proof of old saying, 'win some lose some, some get rained out'.

better luck next time.

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Re: OT: wifi antennas

[Timothy Murphy]

Les wrote:

> Antenna's are more complex than they appear.  Think of how a bell
> sounds.  If you change the shape of the bell a bit, its sound changes,
> and the area over which it can be heard also changes.  Antenna's are
> like that.  Moreover a bell has one dominant mode or tone.  Antenna's do
> that too.  But WiFi is not antenna friendly.  It is comprised of many
> tones, spread over a wide range, kind of like a piano keyboard.  So the
> antenna needt to match that frequency, and work for all the associated
> tones.  In addition there are requirements for the area over which it
> can be heard.  RF engineers call that the radiation pattern.  Some
> antenna's radiate in a donut pattern.  This is the basic type of
> antenna, called a dipole.  BUT the radiation that is above and below the
> desired places where receivers might be is wasted, so good WiFi antennas
> are designed to squish the donut, and that squishing causes more
> radiation in the desired areas and less radiation in undesired areas,
> which the antenna manufacturers call "gain".  In other words the signal
> travels farther in the desired direction.  So for a good wifi device
> antenna, the radiation pattern should be flat (gain of 3-5 db), and the
> graphic of the radiation should be a sort of wheel laying on its side.
> 
> To make this work, the antenna needs to match the transmitter for
> efficient power transfer, and it needs to be mounted away from
> interfering objects at least 3 wavelengths (about 1yard or 1meter from
> walls or objects as tall or taller than the antenna).
> 
> Hope this gives you some background and some idea of how to get the best
> from your antenna purchase.

I wonder if this is true?
My impression is that the most important factor is the number of walls
and ceilings that the signal has to pass through,
and particularly the material these are made from.
I don't think the position of the antenna in the room is that significant.
I suspect it is almost impossible to work out how the wireless waves
are reflected from walls and other objects.

Incidentally, I have one very good external antenna, from Avaya.
It attaches to the back of an Orinoco gold card,
which in this case is in a PCI adaptor.

I see that Linksys (Cisco) sell quite a cheap WiFi extender.
I don't have one, but as far as I could see it is designed
to re-broadcast the signal.




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Re: f10: fs errors; journal write error in flush_commit_list

[g]

Dario Nievas wrote:

> See if you can enable smartd to get further details

it is running and no reports.

> -Check for hdparm parameters on your F10. Maybe there's some value
> that's not getting along with the sdb disk.

i had not thought about hdparm. will log off internet and go have a look.

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Re: PHP Mime Broken?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 18:15 +0530, das wrote:
> What is happening there?

We don't know.  You haven't given any examples that we can examine.

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Re: F10 Cups / Samba / Vista

[Craig White]

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 22:28 -0800, Joel Gomberg wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 12:08 +1030, Tim wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:56 -0500, Brian C. Huffman wrote:
> >>> the alternative that someone suggested about just making it a network
> >>> printer and pointing to the http address for cups (bypassing samba)
> >>> does work.  I'm just thinking that I might want to use this machine as
> >>> a fileserver at some point and there's no need to use two points of 
> >>> entry if one works.
> >> It's worth thinking about that putting Samba in between CUPS and remote
> >> access to it, and you are putting an *extra* thing in the middle, *is*
> >> complicating how printing works.
> > 
> > sure, when you're talking about one system.
> > 
> > also, experience tells me that things don't occur in isolation and
> > eventually you figure out that whatever is broken also affects other
> > things down the line that you haven't discovered yet.
> > 
> > The theory here is fairly simple...If cups is functioning properly,
> > computer can print. If samba is functioning properly, Windows computers
> > can print to samba shared printer through cups. Since PCL drivers on
> > Windows systems do not speak postscript, you must permit 'raw' printing
> > to allow the PCL through to the printer unmolested by cups. It really
> > isn't that complicated.
> 
> I've been experiencing a similar problem with my wife's new Vista computer.  
> The 
> printer is recognized.  I can print a test page.  Printing anything else has 
> failed 99% of the time.  The only relevant error I see in my cups error_log 
> is:
> 
> cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided.

sounds as if you added...
guest ok = yes
to the 'printers' section of smb.conf, this would go away though it
defies logic that you can print a test page from Windows but not from
other applications on Windows because of authentication.

Also, samba authentication is for Windows to samba and once samba has
the job, it should automatically authenticate itself to cups so it
doesn't make much sense for cups to complain about authentication.

> 
> The same setup worked on W2k and continues to work on a VMware W2k virtual 
> machine.  The relevant user has the same user name and password on both 
> machines.  Only printing is affected.  Both computers can see the shares of 
> the 
> other.  The shares can be mounted, files transferred, etc.  This must be 
> something Vista-specific.  And, no, I can't explain why one or two jobs did 
> print.  I haven't posted about this issue before, because it doesn't really 
> seem 
> to be a Fedora problem.

There may be something Vista specific - I can't personally test because
I'm not eager to install Vista on any of my systems. I would suspect
that it's a Windows print driver issue.

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Christopher A. Williams]

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:19 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 03:36:44PM -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > Well - It seems that time of year has come once again...
> > 
> > And once again, Intuit is doing browser checks on their TurboTax site
> > and refusing to run any browser if the OS is Linux.
> > 
> > Firefox on Windows or Mac is fine, but not Linux.
> > 
> > I got around this before by finding a UA Switcher config that fooled it.
> > Anyone know where I can find one that has FF 3.0 on Windows as an
> > option?
> 
> "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 
> Firefox/3.0.5"
> 
> is a User Agent string on an XP system with FireFox 3.0.5.  You can
> simply add this to User Agent Switcher.

Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.

Cheers,

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Re: Fedora 10 installation failing and dropping to shell

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 02:13:08PM -0800, Jason Kania wrote:
> 
> First thanks for the reply. The install never made it past this
> point and there weren't enough available OS commands to dig much
> further. I could list the mounted CDROM but navigating onto it
> didn't work. When I attempted to exit the shell, the machine had a
> kernel panic.

I'm a little confused by your response -- do you mean that the
installation didn't complete, or that booting after installation
didn't complete?  I know the latter is true; I was trying to find out
if the installation itself, before you rebooted, seemed to finish
normally.  When it does that, you get a screen with a picture of a
computer, and a message telling you everything finished normally.
Then you can click the Reboot button to reboot into your system.

If the installer seemed to finish normally but you still couldn't boot
up afterward, that's a different situation from one in which the
installer quit prematurely, or if you interrupted it in the middle and
rebooted anyway.  Can you be more precise about exactly what happened
at the end of actually running the installer?

> After a bunch of playing I decided to switch out the CD Drive for a
> Panasonic and live boot proceeded to completion. I then tried the
> original CD Drive with Debian 4 and my Fedora 6 versions and things
> were fine so I am wondering if there is some driver brittleness for
> the CDROM. It is an LG that is about 2 years old, nothing
> exotic. For both working and not working cases, the CD Drive was an
> IDE slave.
>
> In my case, I can use the other CD. What might be helpful is to
> detect unhappiness with the CD drive and generally indicate that
> that is the problem before dropping to shell.

It's not unheard of for driver updates to regress for a very small
number of drives.  You may want to post a bug with the exact hardware
information for the problem drive in question.  You can file it
against the kernel using Bugzilla:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

There's a page on the wiki about how to file bugs:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_report_bugs

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 06:58:56 -0700,
  "Christopher A. Williams"  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:19 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> > 
> > is a User Agent string on an XP system with FireFox 3.0.5.  You can
> > simply add this to User Agent Switcher.
> 
> Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.

You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.

If you set it to the empty string the header isn't even sent.

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 06:58:56 -0700,
>  "Christopher A. Williams"  wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:19 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
>> >
>> > is a User Agent string on an XP system with FireFox 3.0.5.  You can
>> > simply add this to User Agent Switcher.
>>
>> Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.
>
> You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
> set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.
>
> If you set it to the empty string the header isn't even sent.

We (the Wife and I) just installed the windows version of Firefox
under Wine and it also works well.

Richard

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Re: PulseAudio doesn't start

[Chris Bredesen]

Roberto Ragusa wrote:

Chris Bredesen wrote:

Jan 28 21:42:18 interlagos pulseaudio[4080]: module-alsa-sink.c: Error
opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy


This means someone else opened the alsa device.
Try (as root)
  lsof -n | grep snd
  lsof -n | grep sound

Could be that some application not pulseaudio aware or, and that
happens to me a lot, pulseaudio running as another user.
If you su to another user in a terminal and run something which
tries to produce a sound, pulseaudio will try to autorun itself
as that user, leading an interesting fight between many pulseaudio
instances attempting to open the same alsa devices.

This is really annoying as you can not run different applications
as different users on the same desktop.


This is a laptop and I can't think of any applications off the top of my 
 head that would try to access the alsa device as a different user. 
But I will keep what you said in mind for the next time it bombs.



It is worse on F10.
On F9 the second user would try to contact the first pulseaudio
and get a permission denied, which could be simply solved with
  chmod 777 -R /tmp/pulse-*

I have no solution on F10.
Pulseaudio "cookies" may have to be involved in this scenario, but
the docs I found were not very assuring.


Any clues?  The knock on effect of PA not starting is that Pidgin hangs
hard when it tries to make noise.  Other colleagues of mine report this
symptom as well...


Yes, it happens a lot with pidgin.
And a lot with mplayer too (audio stops randomly and is costantly out of sync).


Thanks for your suggestions - I'll give them a shot.

Cheers,

Chris

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Re: [OT] linux viruses statics

[Dave Ihnat]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:45:02AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> Linux users can still have problems with viruses or worms. Until SELinux
> gets a bit better, they can still be tricked into running programs similar to
> how Windows users are. There are some apps that run on linux that are
> designed to easily execute code disquised as data.

The big difference between Windows and Linux is permissions.  Yes, you
can get infested--but the vast majority of Linux/Unix users don't run
with root permissions. (Caveat: I don't know how many are careless and
actually login and work as root.  In the Old Days, I'm sure it was close
to nil; with the influx of non-Unix/Linux users, I wonder.)  The vast
majority of Windows users--especially workstation and home users--have
admin privs to their system.  Meaning that Trojans on Win boxen usually
get to modify the OS; on Linux systems, they usually only get to infest
the user's environment.

> And people are still trying to turn web browsers into an
> application environment instead of a simple document viewer.

Get used to that.  Unless and until the concept of cloud computing falls
into disfavor, the vendors are really, really pushing SAAS--it seems (to
them) to be a way to regain their shrinking market share on software and 
OS sales.  Once I point out that loss of Internet connectivity means
shutdown of operations, and that their data is falling out of their
direct control, I've not had any enthusiasm for it from clients, but.

And there are cases where it'd be nice to have the browser carry the
load.  F'rinstance, not having to install and configure a heavy database
client on every workstation.  (Unfortunately--or fortunately, if you
object to browsers filling this role--there aren't any tools yet to
generate complex database FEs for browsers; it's got to be coded.)

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Re: PHP Mime Broken?

[das]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Tim  wrote:

>
> We don't know.  You haven't given any examples that we can examine.
>

Shall I attach the same tar file to this list? It is only 50kb.

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Re: ATT's DSL Lite for Linux

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 13:35 +, g wrote:
> having limited chose in buying local is only beneficial if you want
> fast warranty replacement.

Or any...  Just about all electronic gadgets in this country are
imported, with often just a retail outfit being your only point of
contact.  If you can't walk in and get the shop to manage replacing
something that's duff, it's often just not economical or efficient to
get it replaced.

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Re: Fedora fail for Blender :( Ubuntu works... windows also fail :)

[Hiisi]

Hi,
this past weekend we organized Blender workshop and to my surprise
Fedora 10 failed on few computers for running this workshop! :(
This is the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47915

The good news is that we had few laptops with ATI graphic cards so
they worked. To make Fedora not look like it sucks Windows came to the
rescue :) Blender running on Windows laptops has even more issues :)
Latest Ubuntu has no issues with running Blender on same hardware.

Do you have some success/fail stories regarding Blender?

ps. Blender is awesome!!!

Valent.

I'm running Blender on Fedora 9 and it works well except selecting. Not 
all edges of selected object are pink. For example, when I start blender 
only two edges of default cube are pink. All other seems to be all 
right.
In a school where I teach Blender, on Windows machines with all the 
latest updates  everything is fine.


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Re: grubby error "unable to find a suitable template" when installing kernel-2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:48:54 +1100, L wrote:

> # grub.conf generated by anaconda
> #
> # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
> # NOTICE:  You do not have a /boot partition.  This means that
> #  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /, eg.
> #  root (hd0,1)
> #  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sda2
> #  initrd /boot/initrd-version.img
> #boot=/dev/sda
> default=0
> timeout=5
> splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> hiddenmenu
> title Fedora (2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686)
> root (hd0,1)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686 ro
> root=UUID=5e2d514d-487e-4881-aff0-84bc64583555 rhgb quiet
> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686.img
> title Fedora (2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i686)
> root (hd0,1)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i686 ro
> root=UUID=5e2d514d-487e-4881-aff0-84bc64583555 rhgb quiet
> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i686.img

Please attach it (compress it if need be), so it won't be modified with
line-breaks. Above it is broken, but I don't want to guess whether that
only applies to this mail or also the original file.

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Re: PHP Mime Broken?

[das]

The problem is not understanding that the *.php files are to be
browsed, it is opening them with some text editor.

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errors trying kde 4.2 from kde-redhat repository

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Hello all (and probably Rex in particular ;-)
trying to install kde 4.2 from http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/
repository, after enabling kde-testing and kde-testing-all I get this
error messages below.
Any simple action to get the update done?
Thanks,
Gianluca

yum groupupdate kde-desktop
[snip]
Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_phononxine.so from install of
kdebase-runtime-libs-4.2.0-3.fc10.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package phonon-backend-xine-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_phononxine.so from install of
kdebase-runtime-4.2.0-3.fc10.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
phonon-backend-xine-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/kde4/services/kcm_phononxine.desktop from install of
kdebase-runtime-4.2.0-3.fc10.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
phonon-backend-xine-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64

Error Summary
-

[r...@tekkafedora ~]# rpm -e phonon-backend-xine

gives:

error: Failed dependencies:
phonon-backend-xine is needed by (installed) phonon-4.2.0-7.fc10.x86_64
[r...@tekkafedora ~]# rpm -e phonon-backend-xine phonon
error: Failed dependencies:
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
k9copy-2.1.0-2.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
ktorrent-3.1.5-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
amarok-2.0.1.1-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
kdelibs-6:4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdegraphics-libs-7:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdeedu-libs-4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdenetwork-libs-7:4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdegames-libs-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdemultimedia-libs-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdeedu-kstars-4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
PyKDE4-4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdeedu-math-4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kipi-plugins-0.2.0-0.11.beta6.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
kdegames-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
digikam-libs-0.10.0-0.12.beta8.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdepim-libs-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
kdepim-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
digikam-0.10.0-0.12.beta8.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdeaccessibility-1:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdemultimedia-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
kdebase-6:4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed) 
kdeedu-4.1.4-1.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdenetwork-7:4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdebase-runtime-libs-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
libphonon.so.4()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
kdebase-runtime-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64

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Re: Linux Bowl - Any Ideas?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 17:09 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 01:08 -0500, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > I just purchased www.linuxbowl.com.  I thought it would be fun to have
> > it... or ironic since I'm not really into football.  So; the question
> > is what do I do with it!?  I'd love to make it a community project
> > since I'm already strapped for extra time.  Shoot me some of your
> > ideas and let's see what sticks!
> > 
> Site logo of 10 pin bowling pins that look like Penguins?
> 
> I'm not sure what "bowl" and football have to do with each other?  The
> amphitheatre shape of the field?  Must be an American thing...  "Bowl"
> makes me think of 10 pin bowling, or lawn bowls.  ;-)

I always thought it had something to do with the trophy (viz. FA Cup,
Ashes, etc.) but I speak from the vantage point of complete ignorance.

poc (not-an-American-either)

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Re: secure-login related log messages when using kdm/gnome

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 01:20 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> Bugzilla from kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > You can try disabling the pam_gnome_keyring.so in /etc/pam.d/kde (which is
> > what KDM uses), but then you'll have to unlock the keyring by hand (by
> > typing the password again) after logging in.
> > 
> > 
> 
> In /etc/pam.d/kdm I presume which currently contains:
> #%PAM-1.0
> auth [success=done ignore=ignore default=bad] pam_selinux_permit.so
> auth   requiredpam_env.so
> auth   substacksystem-auth
> auth   optionalpam_gnome_keyring.so
> accountrequiredpam_nologin.so
> accountinclude system-auth
> password   include system-auth
> sessionrequiredpam_selinux.so close
> sessionrequiredpam_loginuid.so
> sessionoptionalpam_console.so
> sessionrequiredpam_selinux.so open
> sessionoptionalpam_keyinit.so force revoke
> sessionrequiredpam_namespace.so
> sessionoptionalpam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start
> sessioninclude system-auth
> 
> Exactly what do I change to disable pam_gnome_keyring?

I commented out the two lines containing pam_gnome_keyring. Works for
me.

poc

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Re: errors trying kde 4.2 from kde-redhat repository

[Rex Dieter]

Gianluca Cecchi wrote:

> Hello all (and probably Rex in particular ;-)
> trying to install kde 4.2 from http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/
> repository, after enabling kde-testing and kde-testing-all I get this
> error messages below.
> Any simple action to get the update done?
> Thanks,
> Gianluca
> 
> yum groupupdate kde-desktop
> [snip]
> Transaction Check Error:
>   file /usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_phononxine.so from install of
> kdebase-runtime-libs-4.2.0-3.fc10.x86_64 conflicts with file from
> package phonon-backend-xine-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64

Either don't do a selective upgrade, via
yum update
or possibly try:

yum update @kde-desktop phonon-backend-xine

I'll see if I can make both work.

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Re: Linux Bowl - Any Ideas?

[Steve Searle]

Around 02:56pm on Thursday, January 29, 2009 (UK time), Patrick O'Callaghan 
scrawled:

> I always thought it had something to do with the trophy (viz. FA Cup,
> Ashes, etc.) but I speak from the vantage point of complete ignorance.

From Wikipedia: Bowl game ...The term "bowl" originated from the Rose
Bowl Stadium, site of the first post-season college football games. The
Rose Bowl stadium takes its name and bowl-shaped design from the Yale
Bowl, the prototype of many football stadiums in the United States...

> poc (not-an-American-either)

Steve (from England)

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Re: OpenOffice Draw for Site Maps?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 22:54 -0500, Marc Ferguson wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
> I'm a web developer and I used to use Microsoft Visio to create my web
> site maps and other flow charts.  I'm now using OpenOffice and I
> believe Draw is the equivalent.  Unfortunately; their official link to
> a tutorial was to something silly like making labels.  Am I using the
> right tool and are there any examples or tutorials on just how robust
> this application is?  Thanks.

Take a look at Dia ("yum install dia").

poc

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Re: hostname curiosity [SOLVED] ...but curioser and curioser

[Steve]

 "Mikkel L. Ellertson"  wrote: 
> Steve wrote:
> >  "Mikkel L. Ellertson"  wrote: 
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>> Cool! Adding 
> >>>
> >>> DHCP_HOSTNAME=yes
> >>>
> >>> to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 seems to have done
> >>> the trick. Now there is a longer pause during booting when it gets
> >>> to the Setting up eth0...[OK] line so I'm guessing it is waiting a
> >>> little longer to get an answer from the dhcp server.
> >>> Btw, where are the docs for the ifcfg-eth0 file syntax? There is
> >>> no man page for it.

It looks like I spoke too soon. Yesterday when I booted up in the morning I got 
the hp for the host name back, ie not what I was expecting. Rebooting 
got the correct name again.

> > The second thing is that there is no DHCP_HOSTNAME option listed
> > in the /usr/share/doc/initscripts-8.76.4/sysconfig.txt and yet it
> > DHCP_HOSTNAME="yes" seems to work evem though PERSISTENT_DHCLIENT is
> > still not set.
> > 
> It should be set to the hostname you desire. I am surprised that it
> is not in the file. It is processed by the ifup-eth script.

I did some looking around in the ifup-eth scrupt and yes, you are correct in 
that whatever DHCP_HOSTNAME is set to gets sent to the dhcp server to say that 
this is the hostname I want. But that's the problem - I want the dhcp server to 
tell the client what hostname to use, not the other way around. From the 
dhclient man page:

-R [,...]
  Specify the list of options the client is to request from the 
server.  The option list must be a single string consisting of option names 
separated
  by at least one command and optional space characters.  The 
default option list is:

  subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
  domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name, nis-domain,
  nis-servers, ntp-servers

This tells me that the client >>requets<< host-name >>from<< the server by 
default so it should not be necessary to configure anything to get this. 
(Hmmm... maybe the dhcp protocol does not >require< that the server honour the 
request). Obviously, this is not working all the time so I modified ifup-eth 
and replace the -q switch to dhclient with a -v to try and get a better idea of 
what is going on. I saw some messages flash by during the boot but I can't find 
where they have been logged. Any ideas or do I need to log them manually by 
adding '> dhclient.log 2>&1 ' to the dhclient startup call?

> > The third thing is that something is creating a
> /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf file at boot time that contains this line:
> > 
> > send host-name "yes"; # temporary RHL ifup addition
> > 
> I am not sure what is creating it - I will have to look into it.
> 
> > Obviously, my host name is not "yes" so this must be some
> > special, undocumented use of send host-name that make the
> > dhcp client get the hostname from the server.
> > 
> I think it is causing the DHCP server to send the client a hostname.
> It is probably a "feature" of the server, rather then something with
> the client.

I figured this one out. The ifup-eth script writes the dhclient-eth0.conf file 
with the line

send host-name "";

so when I wrote DHCP_HOSTNAME=yes in ifcfg-eth0 I got
send host-name = "yes";
in dhclient-eth0.conf.

Steve

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Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 15:53 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Aldo Foot  wrote:
> >> # rpm -V python
> >> package python is not installed
> >
> > You are saying that the affected system after fresh install appears to
> > not have the python package installed? If that is true that will break
> > far more than just firstboot..far more.  In fact its pretty hard to
> > imagine having a desktop Fedora system without python installed.
> >
> > That's bad enough...but its worse..what you are telling me is not
> > self-consistent from an rpm based install process standpoint.  Here's
> > is a summary of what you are saying to me, just for clarity.
> >
> > /usr/bin/python   exists
> > /usr/bin/python2  exists
> > but the python package itself is not installed.
> >
> > That is inconsistent information.
> 
> To clarify:
> /usr/bin/python   does not exist
> /usr/bin/python2 exists and is an empty link to a non-existent
> /usr/bin/python binary.
> 
> > rpm -qf /usr/bin/python will tell you which package(s) the rpm
> > system thinks "own" the /usr/bin/python file in the rpm sense.
> 
> I know this is odd. I cannot even run a yum command on this system.
> Here's what I get:
> 
> # ls -la /usr/bin/python
> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
How about finding a python tarball and installing it. Just to get things
started.
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Re: Linux Bowl - Any Ideas?

[Paolo Galtieri]

The first thing that came to my mind was the the old College Bowl game show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Bowl

Paolo

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Marc Ferguson wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I just purchased www.linuxbowl.com.  I thought it would be fun to have
> it... or ironic since I'm not really into football.  So; the question is
> what do I do with it!?  I'd love to make it a community project since I'm
> already strapped for extra time.  Shoot me some of your ideas and let's see
> what sticks!
>
> --
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>
> www.fergytech.com
> Registered Linux User: #410978
>
> "When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff!" -Marc F.
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Re: OT: wifi antennas

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 13:50 +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>  I see that Linksys (Cisco) sell quite a cheap WiFi extender.
> I don't have one, but as far as I could see it is designed
> to re-broadcast the signal.

I have one of those. It wasn't that cheap ($95 in Best Buy) and is
basically useless in my situation (too many obstacles between AP and
point of use). It's also almost completely undocumented and very finicky
to configure.

I actually wanted a Belkin extender for about half the price but they
weren't in stock. I don't think it would have worked either but I'd have
wasted less money :-(

poc

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:10 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 06:58:56 -0700,
> >  "Christopher A. Williams"  wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:19 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> >> >
> >> > is a User Agent string on an XP system with FireFox 3.0.5.  You can
> >> > simply add this to User Agent Switcher.
> >>
> >> Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.
> >
> > You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
> > set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.
> >
> > If you set it to the empty string the header isn't even sent.
> 
> We (the Wife and I) just installed the windows version of Firefox
> under Wine and it also works well.

You can also install the User Agent Switcher Firefox extension to
minimize hand-editing of your config.

poc

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Re: Linux Bowl - Any Ideas?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 15:03 +, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 02:56pm on Thursday, January 29, 2009 (UK time), Patrick O'Callaghan 
> scrawled:
> 
> > I always thought it had something to do with the trophy (viz. FA Cup,
> > Ashes, etc.) but I speak from the vantage point of complete ignorance.
> 
> From Wikipedia: Bowl game ...The term "bowl" originated from the Rose
> Bowl Stadium, site of the first post-season college football games. The
> Rose Bowl stadium takes its name and bowl-shaped design from the Yale
> Bowl, the prototype of many football stadiums in the United States...
> 
> > poc (not-an-American-either)

Ahh! I'd looked up Rose Bowl before posting, but the Wikipedia page
didn't have that info directly. Now I feel I've learned something :-)

poc

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Re: Yum error when attempting an update

[John Lagrue]

2009/1/29 Thorsten Leemhuis 

> On 29.01.2009 02:55, David Burns wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM, John Lagrue  wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/1/27 Phil Meyer 
>>>
 John Lagrue wrote:

> Attempting an update this evening I get the following error.
>
> --
> Downloading Packages:
> == Entering rpm code
> ===
> Running rpm_check_debug
> ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:
> kernel-uname-r is needed by (installed)
> kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.5.i686
>
 My guess is that kmod-nvidia (or something related) has not been
>> updated to match the new kernel yet.
>>
>
> Wrong guess. The modules were in the repo on the same day as the new kernel
> (within hours after that one got out; wasn't quicker as I was asleep when
> the new kernel got pushed).
>
>  kernel-uname-r is needed by (installed)
> kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.6.i686
> kernel-uname-r is needed by (installed)
> kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.7.i686
> Complete!
> (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report'
> ])
>

> These are all kernels and those are reports for the kmod that are on the
> system. John, did you maybe remove the kernels 2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i686
> 2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686 and 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686 with "--nodeps"?
>
> But whatever, this command should solve the problem:
>
>  rpm -e kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.5.i686
>> kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.6.i686
>> kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.7.i686
>>
>
> Then run yum-update
>
> CU
> knurd
>
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Thank you - that fixed it :)

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Re: IPv6 and localhost

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Allen Kistler  writes:
> So the question really is:  Is there a reason localhost is not both
> the IPv4 loopback and the IPv6 loopback (*other* than hiding some bugs
> in some programs)?  Or should Fedora (and eventually Red Hat) change
> the default /etc/hosts shipped/created with anaconda?

One of the first things I do on an install is get rid of the lame
distribution /etc/hosts file.  I've done this since fc4 and fedora,
just like netbsd and openbsd has no need for the silly targeted
localhost names.  The other silly thing is the "localhost.localdomain"
entry coming first.  Really, what is that about???  "localhost" has
worked just fine for over 2 decades.  Software understands it.  What
advantage is there to rocking the boat?

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Re: Strange Mouse behaviior

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Michael Comperchio  writes:
> Beware, dual boot, Fedora knows windows is out there and doesn't like
> it! I think that re-booting to windows is what caused F10 to not sync
> with my Lifedrive. So now I stay out of the windows side. I wonder how
> long F10 is going to make me pay penance?

If you switch OS's, you may want to avoid rebooting and do a clean
shutdown and power-on cycle.  There are things that don't get cleared
with a reboot.  Even rebooting my fedora-10 (and formerly f9) would
cause problems with my dual-link framebuffer not driving the display
correctly after a reboot if X or the kernel changed.  Doing a complete
shutdown always fixed things.

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Re: Linux Bowl - Any Ideas?

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 15:03 +, Steve Searle wrote:
> > Around 02:56pm on Thursday, January 29, 2009 (UK time), Patrick
> O'Callaghan scrawled:
> >
> > > I always thought it had something to do with the trophy (viz. FA Cup,
> > > Ashes, etc.) but I speak from the vantage point of complete ignorance.
> >
> > From Wikipedia: Bowl game ...The term "bowl" originated from the Rose
> > Bowl Stadium, site of the first post-season college football games. The
> > Rose Bowl stadium takes its name and bowl-shaped design from the Yale
> > Bowl, the prototype of many football stadiums in the United States...
> >
> > > poc (not-an-American-either)
>
> Ahh! I'd looked up Rose Bowl before posting, but the Wikipedia page
> didn't have that info directly. Now I feel I've learned something :-)
>
> poc
>
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Ah, you folks are awesome.  I love the community.  Some really good, bad,
and funny ideas for the domain name.  Keep 'em coming and we'll make
something of this silly purchase yet!  Personally; I like the news bit,
competitive ideas, linux-related ads. All good ideas, but sounds like  a lot
of work too. :D

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Re: errors trying kde 4.2 from kde-redhat repository

[Rex Dieter]

Rex Dieter wrote:

> Gianluca Cecchi wrote:

>> yum groupupdate kde-desktop
>> [snip]
>> Transaction Check Error:
>>   file /usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_phononxine.so from install of
>> kdebase-runtime-libs-4.2.0-3.fc10.x86_64 conflicts with file from
>> package phonon-backend-xine-4.1.4-2.fc10.x86_64
> 
> Either don't do a selective upgrade, via
> yum update
> or possibly try:
> 
> yum update @kde-desktop phonon-backend-xine
> 
> I'll see if I can make both work.

OK, I think we can use some packaging tricks to avoid the issue, coming in
phonon-4.3.0-4 which will land in the kde-redhat repo for testing soon.

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Re: OpenOffice Draw for Site Maps?

[Mike Cloaked]

Anne Wilson-4 wrote:
> 
> 
> I can't answer about the OOo tool - I haven't used it.  However, you might 
> find this helpful - it seems to do what you need:
> 
> http://userbase.kde.org/Kivio
> 
> 

It works in fully up to date F10 - but according to 
http://docs.kde.org/development/en/koffice/kivio/page-export.html
you should be able to export as an image - I just tried it you only get
kivio or xml format - what do you need to do to get image export? If this is
not available in the current version then this will limit its usefulness?
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kde4 source rpms

[JD]

I would like to download kde4 source rpms for fedora,
including kdelibs. I have scoured the web, but all I
am coming across are discussions that mention it.

Thanx for any info.


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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 250

[Kirk Ziegler]

> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:07:00 +
> From: Anne Wilson 
> Subject: Re: Screen White-out
> To: kirk...@q.com, "Community assistance, encouragement,  and advice
>   for using Fedora." 
> Message-ID: <200901291007.09171.an...@kde.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
> 
> On Thursday 29 January 2009 07:59:19 Kirk Ziegler wrote:
> > Clicked on Enable Desktop Effects and my screen went white.  I can see
> > the cursor.  I tried the rescue disk but it was no help.
> >
> > Any suggestions will be helpful.
> >
> That sounds like a plasma crash to me - possibly your video card and desktop 
> effect don't get on, but we can address that separately.  Meanwhile, you need 
> to get out of plasma and restart it.  The details are at 
> http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/4.1#My_panel_is_gone.2C_how_do_I_get_it_back.3F
> 
> (I know it's not the panel, but the method is the same.)  Basically, you need 
> to run
> 
> kquitapp plasma; rm $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc; plasma
> 
> Sometimes you have to run each command separately.  Either way, a new login 
> will recreate the necessary files, although you will have to re-configure 
> them 
> to what you want.  HTH
> 
> BTW, the later the version you have and the less likely you are to see this.  
> However, there is always the problem of video cards.
> 
> Anne
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Thanks for the suggestion Ann but all of the commands came up command
not found.   Being F10 may have something to do with not recognizing the
commands.  I'll just reinstall it as I've only used it a few days now
and won't loose anything but time involved.  I hope to eventually learn
enough to be helpful to this forum.

Kirk


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Re: errors trying kde 4.2 from kde-redhat repository

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Thanks Rex.
In the mean time a workaround to get the result needed was at my side:

1) yum remove phonon-backend-xine
2) yum groupupdate kde-desktop

keeping track of delta between packages removed in 1) and not
installed in 2) I get:

package k9copy is not installed
package kdeedu-kstars is not installed
package kdeedu is not installed
package kdeedu-math is not installed
package kdeedu-libs is not installed

yum install k9copy kdeedu-kstars kdeedu kdeedu-math kdeedu-libs

ok!

I'm going to test this finally release 4.2.
Gianluca

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[OT] searching for a regular expression to match strings

[Christoph Höger]

Hi,

anyone knows about a (high-performance) regular expression to match
java-like Strings?
(e.g. "Hi, World \n this is a \"-quoted string.\n")

I have tested 

((\\.)|[^"\\])*

which basically does what I want (although capturing too much escape
sequences). 

The problem is: I've tried jakarta's regexp and java's implementation
and both run into Stack Overflows for input strings with more than 500
characters. That is definitely not acceptable as a hard limit for
tokenizing source code.

Any suggestions?


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Re: OT: wifi antennas

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:44:19 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> I actually wanted a Belkin extender for about half the price but they
> weren't in stock. I don't think it would have worked either but I'd have
> wasted less money :-(

An old Pringles can would have been even cheaper.

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Re: OT: wifi antennas

[Michael Comperchio]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:44:19 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
  

I actually wanted a Belkin extender for about half the price but they
weren't in stock. I don't think it would have worked either but I'd have
wasted less money :-(



An old Pringles can would have been even cheaper.

  
Drill in hand, looking at the wall, wondering what to do with all that 
network cable in the basement


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Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
> How about finding a python tarball and installing it. Just to get things
> started.

We have no idea what else failed to install properly.  There could be
a hundred other packages that were suppose to install.

He's already downloaded and burned a new iso which works. He's
admitted he didn't media check the original disk he burned.
Continuing to rely on any install using that media is simply put..a
horrible idea.

-jef

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Re: Error building custom kernel on ps3

[Patrick Mansfield]

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Mikael Larsson wrote:
> mån 2009-01-26 klockan 18:51 +0100 skrev Mikael Larsson:
> > Hello, have been trying to recompile the latest fedora 10 ppc64 kernel
> > on a playstation 3 with no luck. 
> > 
> > I followed the instructions on
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/CustomKernel that always works
> > perfectly on my i386 and x86_64 machine. 
> > Is there any difference when recompiling for ppc64?
> > 
> > I start the build with:
> > $rpmbuild -bb --without debuginfo --target=`uname -m` kernel.spec
> > 
> > If I look at the output from the build it looks as if the kernel and
> > 'modules stage II' gets built and after 3.5 hours the system freezes for
> > about 10 to 15 minutes with no disk activity and then continues leaving
> > an error that file /var/tmp. returned with wrong status.
> > 
> > How can I find out what's going wrong here?
> > 
> > Regards
> > Mikael Larsson
> > 
> 
> Ideas anyone? please...
> 
> This is the end of the build:
> ...
> drivers/net/skfp/pmf.c:278: warning: cast from pointer to integer of
> different size
> drivers/net/skfp/pmf.c:279: warning: cast from pointer to integer of
> different size
> drivers/net/skfp/pmf.c:280: warning: cast from pointer to integer of
> different size
> drivers/net/wireless/airo.c: In function 'sniffing_mode':
> drivers/net/wireless/airo.c:4744: warning: integer overflow in
> expression
>   Building modules, stage 2.
> WARNING: modpost: Found 1 section mismatch(es).
> To see full details build your kernel with:
> 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
> + mkdir
> -p /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot
> + install -m
> 644 .config 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/config-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> + install -m 644
> System.map 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/System.map-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> +
> touch 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/initrd-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64.img
> + '[' -f arch/powerpc/boot/zImage.stub ']'
> + cp_vmlinux
> vmlinux 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> + eu-strip --remove-comment
> -o 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
>  vmlinux
> + chmod
> 755 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> + mkdir
> -p 
> /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/lib/modules/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> + make -s ARCH=powerpc
> INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc
>  modules_install KERNELRELEASE=2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64 mod-fw=
> /bin/sh: line 1: 27427 Killed  /sbin/depmod -ae -F
> System.map
> -b /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc
> -r 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 137
> fel: Dålig slutstatus från /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UU6psg (%build)

Anything in your log files? Maybe it's out of memory, still that does
not help much :-(

I forget which Fedora release failed to enable swap on the PS3, but you
should have already hit other problems if that was the case (at least yum
update would have failed).

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RE: Question for our users

[Paul Blondé]

> -Original Message-
> From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com 
> [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Wolff III
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:19 AM
> To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: Question for our users
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:34:55 -0600,
>   Mike McGrath  wrote:
> > 
> > Who uses Fedora?
> 
> I use Fedora because:
> The commitment of the project (and its backer, Redhat) to freedom.
> Access to shiny new toys.
> The opportunity for me to have an impact on the distribution.

I use Fedora when access to bleeding edge package releases (such as PHP
5.2.*) is mandated (or as Bruno put it, shiny new toys ;p), and CentOS
(clone of RHEL for the uninformed) or RHEL when the server is required to be
particularly stable. This way, everything works pretty much the same and I
don't have to deal with the differences between, for example, Fedora and
Debian. If I could get an Ubuntu that was based on Fedora, I'd be ecstatic.

Hmm...what would that be called, FUbuntu? };-D

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Re: kde4 source rpms

[Rex Dieter]

JD wrote:

> I would like to download kde4 source rpms for fedora,

For example,
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Everything/source/SRPMS/
or
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/SRPMS/

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RE: Question for our users

[Paul Blondé]

> -Original Message-
> From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com 
> [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ralf Corsepius
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:07 AM
> To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: Question for our users
> 
> Tim wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 03:23 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >> No, I was referring to deploying Fedora in "office-like situation",
> >> i.e. to be used by "non-technical" people, who are using 
> not much more
> >> than "text processor, spreadsheet, internet browser, 
> email, scanner,
> >> printer, fax".
> >>
> >> For them, an OS and the SW they are using are supposed to 
> "just work
> >> out of the box". They will throw away Fedora at the very moment,
> >> they'll be confronted with SELinux alerts or package-kits update
> >> alerts or when they experience the poor shape of certain key
> >> components in Fedora currently are in.
> > 
> > Funny how NONE of them do the same when it comes to Windows
> 
> Right, Windows has similar issues, ... nagging ordinary users with 
> popups they are not supposed/not knowledgeable to process is a very 
> questionable design.
> 
> It's appropriate for "single-user/single-seat" "personal" setups, but 
> not for "office"/"production" environment desktop and 
> networked/centrally adminstrated installations.
> 
> Ralf

All versions of Windows do it, Macs do it, every version of Linux including
even the extreme desktop non-techie user-centric Ubuntu does it.

You can limit it, but that's as far as you can go. There is no way to
guarantee that a user will never be faced with a message from the computer
that s/he will not be able to handle. This is where a bare minimum of user
education is required: teach them to communicate to you or your staff
immediately and clearly what has occurred so that you can get it resolved
with the minimum of effort and go back to playing with your toys as soon as
possible.

Paul

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Re: PulseAudio doesn't start

[Chris Bredesen]

Roberto Ragusa wrote:

Chris Bredesen wrote:

Jan 28 21:42:18 interlagos pulseaudio[4080]: module-alsa-sink.c: Error
opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy


This means someone else opened the alsa device.
Try (as root)
  lsof -n | grep snd
  lsof -n | grep sound


gnome-set  3123 cbredesen  mem   REG  253,0 10212  469174 
/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libsound-sample-cache.so
gnome-set  3123 cbredesen  mem   REG  253,0927956 1700796 
/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
firefox   14958 cbredesen  mem   REG  253,0927956 1700796 
/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0


Looks like only me in there.  Unless another user did something and then 
exited.  Is that possible?


The plot thickens.  PA *was* started today and it has since crashed.  I 
didn't notice that it had crashed until Pidgin croaked.  One possibility 
is that I have started up a KVM instance since this morning.  Any link 
there, possibly?


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Same problem with Kaffeine,Dragon player,GXine,Xine(no video)

[GMS S]

Hi,
When I run a file like "dbgt35.rmvb" it starts playing the sound of that video 
file but there is no video.

"rpm -qa | grep xine"

Result:
xine-lib-extras-freeworld-1.1.16.1-1.fc10.i386
xine-lib-extras-1.1.16.1-1.fc10.i386
phonon-backend-xine-4.1.2-5.fc10.i386
xine-lib-1.1.16.1-1.fc10.i386
xine-0.99.5-5.fc10.i386
xine-lib-devel-1.1.16.1-1.fc10.i386
gxine-0.5.903-2.fc10.i386
totem-xine-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386

"all-20071007" this codecs are here:
/usr/lib/codecs
/usr/lib/win32
/usr/local/lib/codecs
/usr/local/lib/win32

Can someone tell what should i do?




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Re: [OT] searching for a regular expression to match strings

[Konstantin Svist]

Christoph Höger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> anyone knows about a (high-performance) regular expression to match
> java-like Strings?
> (e.g. "Hi, World \n this is a \"-quoted string.\n")
>
> I have tested 
>
> ((\\.)|[^"\\])*
>
> which basically does what I want (although capturing too much escape
> sequences). 
>
> The problem is: I've tried jakarta's regexp and java's implementation
> and both run into Stack Overflows for input strings with more than 500
> characters. That is definitely not acceptable as a hard limit for
> tokenizing source code.
>
> Any suggestions?
>   

IIRC from taking a compiler course, tokenizing is usually done with a
lexer like Lex, Flex, JLex, Ragel, and so on (in conjunction with Yacc
or Bison).
They're highly tuned for the task - for example, Ragel creates a state
machine (decision trees), and only needs to scan each character of the
source text once. This is as high performance as you can expect to get
(maybe you can squeeze a cycle or two more by coding in assembly, of
course). See http://www.complang.org/ragel/
I'm not sure exactly how regular expressions work, but I suspect they're
not nearly this robust.

HTH,
Konstantin

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Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Spaleta  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
>> How about finding a python tarball and installing it. Just to get things
>> started.
>
> We have no idea what else failed to install properly.  There could be
> a hundred other packages that were suppose to install.
>
> He's already downloaded and burned a new iso which works. He's
> admitted he didn't media check the original disk he burned.
> Continuing to rely on any install using that media is simply put..a
> horrible idea.


A bad idea indeed. I only kept trying with this dvd to find the root cause of
the problem.
I did the media check and it was bad. The error said "The media which was
just tested has errors. This could be due to a corrupt download or bad disc..."
So, the moral of the story is (as Tim suggested) test the media at least once.
I have had bad media before that would not even start. But this one went on
all the way.
Is rather amusing how this "No root login" thing evolved to just a bad disc.
I apologize for not having had the patience to do a basic media check.

Thanks for your patience Jeff and everyone.
~af

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Re: Question for our users

[Christoph Höger]

Am Montag, den 19.01.2009, 08:34 -0600 schrieb Mike McGrath:
> Hello Fedora Users!  I was wondering if everyone wouldn't mind answering
> the following questions for me to the list.
> 
> What is Fedora (the operating system)?

A Linux distribution that
a) tries to keep in front of current desktop technologies
b) tries to integrate all those technologies into a usable
package
c) usually does a) and b) well but sometimes has to sacrifice
stability and backwards compatibility for those goals 

> 
> Who uses Fedora?

A mix of hackers, red hat fanboys and people that want a distro with a
large user base and newest technologies.

> Who should use Fedora?

Basically everyone who likes a) or b), does not bother c) and has time
to do updates on a regular base.

> Thanks all!
> 
>   -Mike
> 


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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Christopher A. Williams]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 10:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:10 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 06:58:56 -0700,
> > >  "Christopher A. Williams"  wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:19 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > is a User Agent string on an XP system with FireFox 3.0.5.  You can
> > >> > simply add this to User Agent Switcher.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.
> > >
> > > You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
> > > set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.
> > >
> > > If you set it to the empty string the header isn't even sent.
> > 
> > We (the Wife and I) just installed the windows version of Firefox
> > under Wine and it also works well.
> 
> You can also install the User Agent Switcher Firefox extension to
> minimize hand-editing of your config.

...ummm I think we're going around in circles now. The reason why I (the
OP) asked for this was so I could add it to the list of agents I have
configured with my UA Switcher plug-in.
 
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DNS query

[ann kok]

Hi 

I run nslookup to check my dns

other domain gets

eg:

Non-authoritative answer:
domain.com  nameserver = ns.domain.com.
domain.com  nameserver = ns2.domain.com.

Authoritative answers can be found from:
ns.domain.com  internet address = 111.222.333.222
ns2.domain.com  internet address = 111.222.333.444

but my domain gets this one 
but not "ns.my.com internet address = ipaddress"

ls it fine?  and why?

Non-authoritative answer:
my.com  nameserver = ns.my.com.
my.com  nameserver = ns2.my.com.
Authoritative answers can be found from:



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Re: Internet connection in F10 via bluetooth-connected WM6 phone?

[Rick Stevens]

Mike Cloaked wrote:



Rick Stevens-3 wrote:


I found a link that sorta describes this, but uses the USB instead of
bluetooth:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340747

Carrying a USB cable in the laptop bag shouldn't be a huge problem.




OK I followed up on this, and decided to try that route - it turns out that
using the usb cable does work but not without some workarounds.

What I did was as follows:
1) plug in the usb cable from the HTC kaiser running WM6 to the laptop. The
laptop in fact has only ethernet and usb ports for networking but not
wireless. The ethernet port was not being used in this case.
2) NetworkManager recognises the connection and thinks it is connected to
auto-eth1 but at this stage there is no ip address or dns info set up, and
/etc/resolv.conf has no information provided by NM.
3) Now on the phone go to the Internet Sharing page, and clock "connect".
The facility and packages necessary to make the connection are already
installed in F10 and NM disconnects for a moment and then reconnects to auto
eth1, and NM thinks there is a connection available, and so does the phone.

4) ifconfig now looks good and shows a sensible ip address (in fact in the
range 192.168.0.100 or so for eth1. However no access is available to named
sites using ping, ssh or firefox at this stage, but ping does make a
connection to external sites by ip address!

5) Looking at /etc/resolv.conf the reason becomes clear.  The nameserver is
set as 192.168.0.1 (which is the phone) but the search is set to something
else that appears unrelated to the phone, and a "domain" is also set not
related to the phone, so NM has created a resolv.conf that fails to work. 
Manually editing resolv.conf to change the search line to "search

192.168.0.1" now works and ping, ssh and firefox do work but it is rather
slow.

6) Since this is not ideal, I made a new connection called htc-eth1 for NM
and set up the parameters by hand so that it would create a sensible
resolv.conf - now when the phone is plugged in via the usb line, and
connected from the phone end it makes the auto-eth1 connection as before but
with the incorrect resolv.conf, and merely clicking on the NM icon and
changing the connection to the htc-eth1 profile now works, and additionally
setting it up without tls between the laptop and phone speeds up the
connection a lot.

So the conclusion is that F10 is setup with the correct applications and
nearly gets it right out of the box - but it is necessary to make a work
around before you can use the connection. I presume that this is essentially
a bug in NM but I have not searched to see if there are any existing reports
in BZ yet.


Glad you got it working.  I have a BlackBerry, hence I use XmBlackBerry.
It's a right pain in the arse to set up but it works.  I don't think
NM groks BlackBerrys.  I don't really care for NM as it has a lot of
faults when I try to use it for what I need, but some people swear by
it.  Me?  I generally swear AT it.
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Re: Question for our users

[Aldo Foot]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Mike McGrath wrote:
>> Hello Fedora Users!  I was wondering if everyone wouldn't mind answering
>> the following questions for me to the list.
>>
>> What is Fedora (the operating system)?
>>
> There is no "Fedora" operating system.
>
> Anyone that tells you otherwise is either mis-informed or otherwise
> ignorant.

So, *what is* Fedora then?

I read this somewhere:
"(Operating System) software that controls the execution of computer
programs and may provide various services"

And from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system.

"An operating system (commonly abbreviated OS and O/S) is the
infrastructure software component of a computer system; it is
responsible for the management and coordination of activities and the
sharing of the limited resources of the computer"

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Re: DNS query

[Rick Stevens]

ann kok wrote:
Hi 


I run nslookup to check my dns

other domain gets

eg:

Non-authoritative answer:
domain.com  nameserver = ns.domain.com.
domain.com  nameserver = ns2.domain.com.

Authoritative answers can be found from:
ns.domain.com  internet address = 111.222.333.222
ns2.domain.com  internet address = 111.222.333.444

but my domain gets this one 
but not "ns.my.com internet address = ipaddress"


ls it fine?  and why?

Non-authoritative answer:
my.com  nameserver = ns.my.com.
my.com  nameserver = ns2.my.com.
Authoritative answers can be found from:


Do you actually have DNS A entries for ns.my.com and ns2.my.com and are
they authoritative for your domain?
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Re: F10 Cups / Samba / Vista

[Joel Gomberg]

Craig White wrote:

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 22:28 -0800, Joel Gomberg wrote:

Craig White wrote:

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 12:08 +1030, Tim wrote:

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:56 -0500, Brian C. Huffman wrote:

the alternative that someone suggested about just making it a network
printer and pointing to the http address for cups (bypassing samba)
does work.  I'm just thinking that I might want to use this machine as
a fileserver at some point and there's no need to use two points of 
entry if one works.

It's worth thinking about that putting Samba in between CUPS and remote
access to it, and you are putting an *extra* thing in the middle, *is*
complicating how printing works.


sure, when you're talking about one system.

also, experience tells me that things don't occur in isolation and
eventually you figure out that whatever is broken also affects other
things down the line that you haven't discovered yet.

The theory here is fairly simple...If cups is functioning properly,
computer can print. If samba is functioning properly, Windows computers
can print to samba shared printer through cups. Since PCL drivers on
Windows systems do not speak postscript, you must permit 'raw' printing
to allow the PCL through to the printer unmolested by cups. It really
isn't that complicated.
I've been experiencing a similar problem with my wife's new Vista computer.  The 
printer is recognized.  I can print a test page.  Printing anything else has 
failed 99% of the time.  The only relevant error I see in my cups error_log is:


cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided.


sounds as if you added...
guest ok = yes
to the 'printers' section of smb.conf, this would go away though it
defies logic that you can print a test page from Windows but not from
other applications on Windows because of authentication.

Also, samba authentication is for Windows to samba and once samba has
the job, it should automatically authenticate itself to cups so it
doesn't make much sense for cups to complain about authentication.

The same setup worked on W2k and continues to work on a VMware W2k virtual 
machine.  The relevant user has the same user name and password on both 
machines.  Only printing is affected.  Both computers can see the shares of the 
other.  The shares can be mounted, files transferred, etc.  This must be 
something Vista-specific.  And, no, I can't explain why one or two jobs did 
print.  I haven't posted about this issue before, because it doesn't really seem 
to be a Fedora problem.


There may be something Vista specific - I can't personally test because
I'm not eager to install Vista on any of my systems. I would suspect
that it's a Windows print driver issue.


That appears to be it.  I opened the task manager and changed the compatibility 
setting on all three running Epson driver processes from Vista to XP Service 
Pack 2. [This is done by right-clicking on the process, selecting "Properties" 
and then the Compatibility tab.] Printing now works.  Thanks for sharing your 
suspicion about the underlying cause of the problem.




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Re: f10: fs errors; journal write error in flush_commit_list

[g]

Dario Nievas wrote:

> -Check for hdparm parameters on your F10. Maybe there's some value
> that's not getting along with the sdb disk. If possible, compare those
> values agains the other distros installed, looking for differences,
> Try to go with the bare minimun default values (yeah, the slow ones)
> and see if you prevent write errors with those

ok, i checked for /etc/sysconfig/hdparm and they are bare minimum.

so bare and minimum that there is no file in all 3 installs. :)


open for suggestions on just what i should try in file.

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Re: AGP 4x Video Recommendation for FC10 w/ 1600x1080 LCDs

[Kevin Kofler]

john wendel wrote:
> The free "nv" drivers (shipped with fedora) work fine.

If you fancy no sort of acceleration, sure... The Radeon 9250 is fully
supported by the Free drivers with 2D and 3D acceleration.

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Kevin Kofler]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
> set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.

But that means sites won't count you as a GNU/Linux user in their stats.

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Re: Where's native Eclipse?

[Kevin Kofler]

Noel wrote:
> I heard that back in FC4, Red Hat compiled the
> Java-based Eclipse into native machine code,
> making it quicker to start and run.
> What happened to that? I can't find it in F10...

Unfortunately, OpenJDK's JIT is actually faster than GCJ's native code. :-(
So the efforts are being focused on that.

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Re: Where's native Eclipse?

[Andrew Overholt]

* Kevin Kofler  [2009-01-29 15:10]:
> Noel wrote:
> > I heard that back in FC4, Red Hat compiled the
> > Java-based Eclipse into native machine code,
> > making it quicker to start and run.
> > What happened to that? I can't find it in F10...
> 
> Unfortunately, OpenJDK's JIT is actually faster than GCJ's native code. :-(

Why is this unfortunate?

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Re: OpenOffice Draw for Site Maps?

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 January 2009 16:03:49 Mike Cloaked wrote:
> Anne Wilson-4 wrote:
> > I can't answer about the OOo tool - I haven't used it.  However, you
> > might find this helpful - it seems to do what you need:
> >
> > http://userbase.kde.org/Kivio
>
> It works in fully up to date F10 - but according to
> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/koffice/kivio/page-export.html
> you should be able to export as an image - I just tried it you only get
> kivio or xml format - what do you need to do to get image export? If this
> is not available in the current version then this will limit its
> usefulness? --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/OpenOffice-Draw-for-Site-Maps--tp21720474p21729805.ht
>ml Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

I don't know - but I'll try to find out.

Anne


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Re: [OT] searching for a regular expression to match strings

[Steven W. Orr]

On Thursday, Jan 29th 2009 at 13:10 -, quoth Konstantin Svist:

=>Christoph H?ger wrote:
=>> Hi,
=>>
=>> anyone knows about a (high-performance) regular expression to match
=>> java-like Strings?
=>> (e.g. "Hi, World \n this is a \"-quoted string.\n")
=>>
=>> I have tested 
=>>
=>> ((\\.)|[^"\\])*
=>>
=>> which basically does what I want (although capturing too much escape
=>> sequences). 
=>>
=>> The problem is: I've tried jakarta's regexp and java's implementation
=>> and both run into Stack Overflows for input strings with more than 500
=>> characters. That is definitely not acceptable as a hard limit for
=>> tokenizing source code.
=>>
=>> Any suggestions?
=>>   
=>
=>IIRC from taking a compiler course, tokenizing is usually done with a
=>lexer like Lex, Flex, JLex, Ragel, and so on (in conjunction with Yacc
=>or Bison).
=>They're highly tuned for the task - for example, Ragel creates a state
=>machine (decision trees), and only needs to scan each character of the
=>source text once. This is as high performance as you can expect to get
=>(maybe you can squeeze a cycle or two more by coding in assembly, of
=>course). See http://www.complang.org/ragel/
=>I'm not sure exactly how regular expressions work, but I suspect they're
=>not nearly this robust.

Don't jump to any conclusions. Regex's break up into the deterministic 
(DFA) and the non-deterministic (NFA) variety. Tools like lex/flex are 
totally deterministic and they do in fact produce a state machine as 
output.

The regex engine that's in things like perl/python/egrep/emacs/etc allow 
for lots of extended operators to be used including things like 
look-ahead.

You're trying to say something like

"([^"\\]|\\.)*"

but I'm not sure it's correct because the * (i.e., closure operator) is 
greedy. So you might be better off using a non-greedy closure operator, a 
la, 

"([^"\\]|\\.)*?"

BTW, NOT TRIED. If it doesn't work I won't even feel bad. My point is that 
it's eminently doable and that if it's correct then it's certainly robust.

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Re: OT: wifi antennas

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 January 2009 17:18:16 Michael Comperchio wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:44:19 -0430,
> >
> >   Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> >> I actually wanted a Belkin extender for about half the price but they
> >> weren't in stock. I don't think it would have worked either but I'd have
> >> wasted less money :-(
> >
> > An old Pringles can would have been even cheaper.
>
> Drill in hand, looking at the wall, wondering what to do with all that
> network cable in the basement
>
When your walls are 30" thick, drilling is big job :-)  Wifi does well enough, 
though, between floors.

Anne


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Re: Error building custom kernel on ps3

[Mikael Larsson]

tor 2009-01-29 klockan 09:33 -0800 skrev Patrick Mansfield:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Mikael Larsson wrote:
> > mån 2009-01-26 klockan 18:51 +0100 skrev Mikael Larsson:
> > > Hello, have been trying to recompile the latest fedora 10 ppc64 kernel
> > > on a playstation 3 with no luck. 
> > > 
> > > I followed the instructions on
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/CustomKernel that always works
> > > perfectly on my i386 and x86_64 machine. 
> > > Is there any difference when recompiling for ppc64?
> > > 
> > > I start the build with:
> > > $rpmbuild -bb --without debuginfo --target=`uname -m` kernel.spec
> > > 
> > > If I look at the output from the build it looks as if the kernel and
> > > 'modules stage II' gets built and after 3.5 hours the system freezes for
> > > about 10 to 15 minutes with no disk activity and then continues leaving
> > > an error that file /var/tmp. returned with wrong status.
> > > 
> > > How can I find out what's going wrong here?
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Mikael Larsson
> > > 
> > 
> > Ideas anyone? please...
> > 
> > This is the end of the build:
> > ...
> > drivers/net/skfp/pmf.c:278: warning: cast from pointer to integer of
> > different size
> > drivers/net/skfp/pmf.c:279: warning: cast from pointer to integer of
> > different size
> > drivers/net/skfp/pmf.c:280: warning: cast from pointer to integer of
> > different size
> > drivers/net/wireless/airo.c: In function 'sniffing_mode':
> > drivers/net/wireless/airo.c:4744: warning: integer overflow in
> > expression
> >   Building modules, stage 2.
> > WARNING: modpost: Found 1 section mismatch(es).
> > To see full details build your kernel with:
> > 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
> > + mkdir
> > -p /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot
> > + install -m
> > 644 .config 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/config-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> > + install -m 644
> > System.map 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/System.map-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> > +
> > touch 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/initrd-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64.img
> > + '[' -f arch/powerpc/boot/zImage.stub ']'
> > + cp_vmlinux
> > vmlinux 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> > + eu-strip --remove-comment
> > -o 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> >  vmlinux
> > + chmod
> > 755 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> > + mkdir
> > -p 
> > /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc/lib/modules/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> > + make -s ARCH=powerpc
> > INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc
> >  modules_install KERNELRELEASE=2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64 mod-fw=
> > /bin/sh: line 1: 27427 Killed  /sbin/depmod -ae -F
> > System.map
> > -b /home/build/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc
> > -r 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.ps3.fc10.ppc64
> > make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 137
> > fel: Dålig slutstatus från /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UU6psg (%build)
> 
> Anything in your log files? Maybe it's out of memory, still that does
> not help much :-(
> 
> I forget which Fedora release failed to enable swap on the PS3, but you
> should have already hit other problems if that was the case (at least yum
> update would have failed).
> 
> -- Patrick Mansfield
> 

I'm compiling in runlevel 3 with a 512MB swap file. If I run top in
another terminal while compiling it states that about 15MB of the swap
is used and df states that there is 1GB free space on the HDD.

I have also tried mounting an nfs share as the rpmbuild directory giving
me 5GB of free space on the local ps3 drive and over 100GB free space on
the share but that gives me the same build error.

Regards
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Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Aldo Foot  wrote:
> Is rather amusing how this "No root login" thing evolved to just a bad disc.
> I apologize for not having had the patience to do a basic media check.

Hopefully Gene made the same mistake as Gene is the only other person
in this thread that confirmed this firstboot behavior.  I wonder how
many other people did what you did, and then assumed that Fedora was
broken and just moved on?

>
> Thanks for your patience Jeff and everyone.

Doing the diagnose was worthwhile, as it illustrates how bad media can
affect an the experience of the resulting install, even if the install
completes without error.  I'm going to use you as an example for
testing media for probably 2 or 3 releases.  Even if you got the
python problem fixed.. there could be many other packages.

Now there might be something that can be done to verify that the rpmdb
is self-consistent after the install is completed to catch the symptom
you ran into, but its not clear its worth implementing. A fresh
install should have a self-consistent rpmdb dependency map.

If python were installed, and you were having other weird issues I
would have had you install yum-utils package  and then do
package-cleanup --problems which would report a list of dep issues in
your rpmdb.  That would have given us a much more comprehensive
picture of how deeply your install was affected by the bad media.  But
we didn't even get that far..because that would require yum..which
requires python.

I might start doing that for myself as part of fresh install from media testing.

But that would not apply to upgrades done with the installer, as
upgrades are specifically allowed to break dep chains during the
install to accommodate 3rd party packages.

-jef

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F10 post installation kernel issue?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

First time F10 install went well.  One thing I did
differently in installing F10 was to:

1) Use the Volume based filesystems
2) Enabled disk encryption

I noticed that on every reboot, one must enter the password
long before seeing a grub display.  Hmm...  maybe for a server
this is not the way to go, but for a workstation, it's probably ok.

Anyway, the initial kernel I started with is:
(1) kernel-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686

I proceeded to get the latest updates and this was approx. 1 week ago.

I later added programs I wanted installed, configured the services I wanted,
etc., etc., and everything went well.  I was able to reboot, no problems.

But then a few days later, more updates came through, but specifically
a new kernel was added:
(2) kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686

Rebooting, I got the messages:
==
ata1: ACPI get timing mode failed (AE 0x300d)
Loading /lib/kdb/Keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.map
[hang]

So, I never got to the point where I needed to enter
the encrypted disk password for continuance.

To be sure, I rebooted back to the original kernel (1),
and it booted just fine.  Leaving it there, I continued using
the system, but got yet another kernel update:
(3) kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686

Same problem reported in (2) above.  So I am still
stuck at using my initial kernel at (1).

Is there anything I can do or to check to understand why
I am not able to use the latest kernels?

Thanks!
Dan

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Re: OpenOffice Draw for Site Maps?

[David G. Mackay]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:03 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> Anne Wilson-4 wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I can't answer about the OOo tool - I haven't used it.  However, you might 
> > find this helpful - it seems to do what you need:
> > 
> > http://userbase.kde.org/Kivio

You might want to take a look at dia, which is available via yum.

Dave


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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On 01/29/2009 02:28 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote:

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 10:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 08:10 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 06:58:56 -0700,
  "Christopher A. Williams"  wrote:

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 11:19 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:

is a User Agent string on an XP system with FireFox 3.0.5.  You can
simply add this to User Agent Switcher.

Thanks! This is exactly what I was looking for.

You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.

If you set it to the empty string the header isn't even sent.

We (the Wife and I) just installed the windows version of Firefox
under Wine and it also works well.

You can also install the User Agent Switcher Firefox extension to
minimize hand-editing of your config.


...ummm I think we're going around in circles now. The reason why I (the
OP) asked for this was so I could add it to the list of agents I have
configured with my UA Switcher plug-in.


Oops, brain not engaged, sorry.

poc

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Re: TurboTax.com (Here we go again...)

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 21:01:58 +0100,
  Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > You can also just set general.useragent.override in about:config and
> > set the alternate useragent header without installing a plugin.
> 
> But that means sites won't count you as a GNU/Linux user in their stats.

I like to have my home machine set to not send a user agent header.
At work we have some stupid apps that thing the useragent header is required
and barf if there isn't one (even though it doesn't if its garbage otherwise).
So at work I usally set it to use the same useragent string google uses.

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Re: DNS query

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:58:59 -0800,
  ann kok  wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> I run nslookup to check my dns

When you don't supply real information for a request like this you are
just wasting everyone's time. It's not like your DNS information is supposed
to be secret. And people can't help you when they can't see what is really
happening.

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Re: AGP 4x Video Recommendation for FC10 w/ 1600x1080 LCDs

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 21:00:00 +0100,
  Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> john wendel wrote:
> > The free "nv" drivers (shipped with fedora) work fine.
> 
> If you fancy no sort of acceleration, sure... The Radeon 9250 is fully
> supported by the Free drivers with 2D and 3D acceleration.

But you probably want to spring for at least a 9200 as you'll get a faster
card for about the same cost.

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Re: OT: wifi antennas

[g]

Paul Smith wrote:

> Could someone please advise me regarding USB antennas to improve the
> reception wifi Internet signal?

as already noted in another post, there are no usb antennas, but
there are many external antennas that can be used for most all
wifi systems. even 'built in' if you so desire.

if you really want to get into wifi antennas, check here;
  http://www.linux-wireless.org/Wireless/Antenna.DIY/

a lot of what is listed are designs from amateur radio, and are
adapted to wifi. most can be built without a lot of experience
in building antennas, several do require some personal ability.

i know that it is a long listing and each link will have more links,
if you bare with it, you will find several designs that will do what
you want.

also, have a look at;

http://wardrivingonline.com/tutorials/tutorials.htm
http://www.binarywolf.com/249/
http://www.freeantennas.com/
http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html
http://www.tritium.co.uk/
http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html
http://www.usbwifi.orconhosting.net.nz/

for safety, have a look at;

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3095831


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Re: Screen White-out

[Andrew Parker]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Kirk Ziegler  wrote:
> Clicked on Enable Desktop Effects and my screen went white.  I can see
> the cursor.  I tried the rescue disk but it was no help.
>

I believe the config file that you need is
~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc, and you need to set Enabled to "false" in
the Compositing group.  This has worked for me in the past, and I
don't lose settings when I do it.  You may need to be logged out when
you do it though.

The same effect can be done by running:

kwriteconfig --file ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc --group Compositing
--key Enabled false

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Re: ATT's DSL Lite for Linux

[g]

Tim wrote:

> Or any...  Just about all electronic gadgets in this country are
> imported, with often just a retail outfit being your only point of
> contact. 

u.s.a. used to be a proud country by making most all their electronic
products, with just a few exceptions of imports from england, germany,
and sweden.

then good old itt started importing cheap tubes from japan and it was not
long after that things started going down hill.

just as has happened with automobiles, when japan noted how many people
where buying vw's for economics, they new they had another market.

i am not against union labor, but because of expense factor, a lot of
semiconductor companies started having work done in japan for cheaper
labor. all that did was to help them improve on their designs and now
entire asia is exporting everywhere.

u.s.a.'s agreement with china embargo and 'little red book' did not help
matters any either.

too many manufacturers have failed to read revelations and understand
just what was written.

> If you can't walk in and get the shop to manage replacing
> something that's duff, it's often just not economical or efficient to
> get it replaced.

this is where you do come out ahead with online buying. most of them
keep their advertising cost down with internet and reach a larger market
thru web links and google searches. they have to drop price and be highly
competitive and back their products with good warranty.

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Re: Windowmaker and NetworkManager

[steve]

Hello Suvayu,

suvayu ali wrote:

That went perfect. Now I am online on wmaker.

Good to know ! Welcome to the club !


I ran pidgin too. However it didn't go as smoothly. Most of the time
it didn't appear on the dock or even a window for that matter. I tried
running it from,
1. the 'Run' in the right click menu on the desktop,

Look at at tip below[1]

2. from xterm.
However, it had worked the last time I had logged in. Kinda strange I guess.


Yes, that is strange, it has never happened to me. However, I do start my pidgin 
in offline mode (ie: the -n (or --nologin) option), so don't know whether pidgin 
would wait for NM to connect and then go online before showing the applet or the 
window.




Also, I am having trouble NM and Evolution remember the password, but
I guess that calls for another thread after some more extensive
searching.


Hmm, well, this *might* have to do with the gnome-keyring-daemon. You haven't 
mentioned whether you use gdm, but i remember seeing a post on this list that 
the NM and other apps with ask you for a password if your login password is not 
the same as your keyring password. Note, that this is just what i read over 
here. I have /not/ had any trouble with NM remembering passwords (and I don't 
use evolution, i prefer thunderbird).




Thanks for the help. :)

You are welcome.

[1] Now the tip i spoke about. Window Maker is very keyboard friendly, so you 
can bind any application as well as builtin actions to keyboard shortcuts. The 
way to do this also is very easy:

a. Fire up the Window Maker Preference utility:
$ WPerfs
b. Scroll to the icon with the menu picture
c. A menu will pop up, select the menu item you want to bid to a shortcut
d. In the Keyboard Shortcut dialog, click Capture and then press your keyboard 
shortcut (for ex. I use Mod1+r for the run dialog and Mod1+t for opening a terminal)
e. To bind window maker actions (like maximizing/minimizing windows etc) select 
the icon with the keyboard picture and do the same. For example you can use the 
'windows key' on your keyboard to show the applications menu.


Once you start binding your most common apps to keyboard shortcuts, and start 
using them, you'll soon forget about the mouse :).


cheers,
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Re: Where's native Eclipse?

[Kevin Kofler]

Andrew Overholt wrote:

> * Kevin Kofler  [2009-01-29 15:10]:
>> Unfortunately, OpenJDK's JIT is actually faster than GCJ's native code.
>> :-(
> 
> Why is this unfortunate?

Because it means GCJ sucks at generating native code. In principle, native
code should be more efficient because you don't have to go and recompile
that bytecode all the time. That a JIT manages to do better than GCJ's
native code is a sad state of affairs. I wish we had a decent AOT compiler
for Java so we can get rid of the slow bytecode once and for all. As it is
now, Java code is a lot slower than compiled code, and GCJ only makes it
worse instead of better.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: [OT] searching for a regular expression to match strings

[Christoph Höger]

> 
> BTW, NOT TRIED. If it doesn't work I won't even feel bad. My point is that 
> it's eminently doable and that if it's correct then it's certainly robust.
> 

Hi

thanks for the advice, I've tested both of them, and yes apparently they
work (which means: they match what they should), but at least with the
java implementation they cause StackOverflows on big input sequences
too.

Maybe it's me, but all I do is match those Expressions via lookingAt()
against Strings with > 500 characters.



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Re: Where's native Eclipse?

[Veli-Pekka Kestilä]

Kevin Kofler wrote:

Andrew Overholt wrote:

  

* Kevin Kofler  [2009-01-29 15:10]:


Unfortunately, OpenJDK's JIT is actually faster than GCJ's native code

Why is this unfortunate?



Because it means GCJ sucks at generating native code. In principle, native
code should be more efficient because you don't have to go and recompile
that bytecode all the time. That a JIT manages to do better than GCJ's
native code is a sad state of affairs. I wish we had a decent AOT compiler
for Java so we can get rid of the slow bytecode once and for all. As it is
now, Java code is a lot slower than compiled code, and GCJ only makes it
worse instead of better.
  
I have heard some talk that there is some optimizations which only can 
be done in runtime which can make JIT faster than precompiled code so 
it's not necessary so easy to make GCJ faster than JIT and I don't think 
there is big need for that either. The things where java is slow are 
addressed better on using some native code libraries like the OpenGL 
library. Telling is that oldskool demo people are using Java quite 
extensively nowdays to do their projects. Have you even looked what the 
bytecode really is? It's actually kind of assembly code which is adapted 
to the current running platform trough interpreter or JIT.


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Re: "stale NFS file handle" problem

[Adam Hough]

On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 22:36 +, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 January 2009 22:10:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Both my F10 netbook and Mandriva 2009 laptop have nfs mounts to my home
> > directory and a data directory on my server.  A couple of hours ago I found
> > that I could not access the home directory, although the data directory is
> > still fine.  I was seeing messages about "stale NFS file handle".  On
> > googling I got the impression that the problem was at the client end, but
> > it would be really strange if both clients developed a problem at the same
> > time.
> >
> > I've really no idea where to look, to troubleshoot this.  All ideas
> > welcome.
> >
> I wonder if there is any connection with the fact that I had to reinstall 
> CentOS on the server yesterday, as repeated power-cuts had depleted the ups 
> until the system was trashed.  Most things are up and running again, but 
> there 
> is a problem with keychain, which I still have to resolve.  The permissions 
> on 
> the data directory are much looser (since it is shared with other users) so 
> it 
> could be an authentication problem.  I'll be looking into the keychain issue 
> tomorrow.
> 
> Anne

Checkout adding fsid=XXX in your NFS server's /etc/exports file to the
exported directories.  It helps nfs clients recover from NFS servers
dropping out on them and then coming back later.  You will need centos5
or newer kernel/nfs software stack for this option to help though.

- Adam

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