Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:41:48 +1000 (EST), la...@ausics.net wrote: > Rahul, > > Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only > read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, Have you noticed that the Fedora Project Leader has replied using a GMail address? ;-) > I trust none of the other 10 posters or so in this thread were, because > they did not post from fedora/redhat so to avoid getting into long > rantings with trolls, I did not read them, That's mistake. Some clearly pointed out they *could* post from a Red Hat or Fedora Project address, but that wouldn't make a difference in what they've written. Others use signatures, which show whether they work for Red Hat or whether they have a Fedora Project address. There is nothing special about a Fedora Project email address. Your assumption is wrong. There are many people with a Fedora Project email address, who are not "decision makers" in any of the project's committees (or such). You should learn about how contributors can get such an address. The address doesn't make them anything like official representatives. I could post from my Fedora Project address (simply by replacing the @gmail.com appropriately), but that wouldn't make me a project spokesman either. P.S. I don't mind at all, if you really skip this message. Stay uninformed if you prefer that. :-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Never-ending boot progress
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 15:33 +, Tim Clarke wrote: > 3) Once i've got to the grub prompt during the installation i type > "linux textmode" and it gaily starts the installer graphically. Wth? It's just "linux text" rather than "linux textmode" http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/sn-graphics-problem.html (look near the end of the first paragraph) -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
la...@ausics.net wrote: > Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only > read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, Paul W. Frields is the *Fedora Project Leader*, you idiot! > so to avoid getting into long rantings with trolls Pot calling the kettle black. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help installing JRE and make it work with firefox 3, on fedora 10 x64 arch
Ed Greshko wrote: > I just hope that people do realize that OpenJDK is Yes, OpenJDK is the Free Software version of Sun's Java, which makes their proprietary binaries obsolete. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64
Hi, I tried that but it says that i realdy have the latest kernel-source installed see: [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# sudo yum install kernel-devel Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ... ... Finished 371 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Package kernel-devel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 already installed and latest version Nothing to do However I get the same error when i run ./vboxdrv setup: Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found at /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. But these two directories are soft links. The */source is a soft link to */build and build t's a soft link to this directory /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 which does not exist. does this mean i have to rebuild my kernel? if so i dont know where to begin. Thanks a lot for everyones help. Dave On 2/12/09, JD wrote: > David Antonio Garcia Campos wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Im trying to install virtual box from an rpm but Im getting an error >> message when i try to install it. Im using fedora 10 >> arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 >> >> ERROR message from virtual box:Error! Your kernel source for kernel >> 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found at >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. >> You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located. >> Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without >> For some reason i have this >> directory:/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 >> >> but when i run uname -r i get: >> >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# pwd >> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# uname -r >> 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 >> >> can someone please put me on the right direction? >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> Dave >> > > As root, or via sudo, just install kernel devel: > > sudo yum install kernel-devel > > and then run > > sudo service vboxdrv setup > > and that should then build the vbox driver and install it. > > I am not sure what had done in the past to get > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 > You or someone had probably booted kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 > and then installed > kernel-devel. > > Good luck. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
widget engine for gnome
Hi, do we have any nice "plasmoid-like" widget engines for gnome in our repositories? I would like to add some comic stuff to my desk ;) regards christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64
Hi, try to modify the softlink /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 to /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.2.fc10.x86_64 ( or something similar, look for it in your filesystem ). probably the update of the kernel hasn't update this link. > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:45:57 -0500 > From: dgarciacam...@gmail.com > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora 10 > arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 > > Hi, > I tried that but it says that i realdy have the latest kernel-source > installed see: > [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# sudo yum install kernel-devel > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile > ... > ... > Finished > 371 packages excluded due to repository priority protections > Setting up Install Process > Parsing package install arguments > Package kernel-devel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 already installed > and latest version > Nothing to do > However I get the same error when i run ./vboxdrv setup: > Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found > at > /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or > /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. > But these two directories are soft links. The */source is a soft link > to */build and build t's a soft link to this directory > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 which does not exist. > does this mean i have to rebuild my kernel? if so i dont know where to begin. > Thanks a lot for everyones help. > Dave > > On 2/12/09, JD wrote: > > David Antonio Garcia Campos wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> Im trying to install virtual box from an rpm but Im getting an error > >> message when i try to install it. Im using fedora 10 > >> arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 > >> > >> ERROR message from virtual box:Error! Your kernel source for kernel > >> 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found at > >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or > >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. > >> You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located. > >> Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without > >> For some reason i have this > >> directory:/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 > >> > >> but when i run uname -r i get: > >> > >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# pwd > >> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 > >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# uname -r > >> 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 > >> > >> can someone please put me on the right direction? > >> > >> Thanks a lot, > >> > >> Dave > >> > > > > As root, or via sudo, just install kernel devel: > > > > sudo yum install kernel-devel > > > > and then run > > > > sudo service vboxdrv setup > > > > and that should then build the vbox driver and install it. > > > > I am not sure what had done in the past to get > > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 > > You or someone had probably booted kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 > > and then installed > > kernel-devel. > > > > Good luck. > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines _ Vai oltre le parole, scarica Messenger 2009! http://www.messenger.it-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64
Hi asdf qwer, The problem i see is that my kernel is still 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 , if i do change the soft link as you say, wouldnt this cuase a problem? On 2/13/09, asdf qwer wrote: > > Hi, > try to modify the softlink /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 to > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.2.fc10.x86_64 ( or something similar, look > for it in your filesystem ). probably the update of the kernel hasn't update > this link. > >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:45:57 -0500 >> From: dgarciacam...@gmail.com >> To: fedora-list@redhat.com >> Subject: Re: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora >> 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 >> >> Hi, >> I tried that but it says that i realdy have the latest kernel-source >> installed see: >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# sudo yum install >> kernel-devel >> Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit >> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile >> ... >> ... >> Finished >> 371 packages excluded due to repository priority protections >> Setting up Install Process >> Parsing package install arguments >> Package kernel-devel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 already installed >> and latest version >> Nothing to do >> However I get the same error when i run ./vboxdrv setup: >> Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be >> found at >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. >> But these two directories are soft links. The */source is a soft link >> to */build and build t's a soft link to this directory >> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 which does not exist. >> does this mean i have to rebuild my kernel? if so i dont know where to >> begin. >> Thanks a lot for everyones help. >> Dave >> >> On 2/12/09, JD wrote: >> > David Antonio Garcia Campos wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> Im trying to install virtual box from an rpm but Im getting an error >> >> message when i try to install it. Im using fedora 10 >> >> arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 >> >> >> >> ERROR message from virtual box:Error! Your kernel source for kernel >> >> 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found at >> >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or >> >> /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. >> >> You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's >> >> located. >> >> Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without >> >> For some reason i have this >> >> directory:/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 >> >> >> >> but when i run uname -r i get: >> >> >> >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# pwd >> >> /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 >> >> [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# uname -r >> >> 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 >> >> >> >> can someone please put me on the right direction? >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> > >> > As root, or via sudo, just install kernel devel: >> > >> > sudo yum install kernel-devel >> > >> > and then run >> > >> > sudo service vboxdrv setup >> > >> > and that should then build the vbox driver and install it. >> > >> > I am not sure what had done in the past to get >> > /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 >> > You or someone had probably booted kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 >> > and then installed >> > kernel-devel. >> > >> > Good luck. >> > >> > -- >> > fedora-list mailing list >> > fedora-list@redhat.com >> > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> > Guidelines: >> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines >> > >> >> -- >> fedora-list mailing list >> fedora-list@redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> Guidelines: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > _ > Vai oltre le parole, scarica Messenger 2009! > http://www.messenger.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
2009/2/12 Armin : >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?) > > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. -- imalone -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Ian Malone wrote: 2009/2/12 Armin : >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?) > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Old updates
Hi, are old updates kept somewhere? I want to track down the precise update that broke something but the repos contain only recent versions of the packages. If the previous updates are not available, what's the recommended method in such case? (Preferably some that does not involve repackaging the universe on my machine.) Thanks, Yeti -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Old updates
David Nečas wrote: Hi, are old updates kept somewhere? I want to track down the precise update that broke something but the repos contain only recent versions of the packages. If the previous updates are not available, what's the recommended method in such case? (Preferably some that does not involve repackaging the universe on my machine.) Thanks, http://koji.fedoraproject.org/ Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
2009/2/13 Ian Malone : > 2009/2/12 Armin : >>> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?) >> >> it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! >> > > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > Re. new thread title; oops; a noun, but clearly not a collective one. Will cover by suggesting a community of Fedorans. -- imalone -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Install 32 and 64-bit Sun JDKs On Fedora 10 x86_64
* Patrick Steiner [2009-02-13 01:26]: > Take a look at this bugzilla entry: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484858 That has to do with OpenJDK and not the Sun JDK. Andrew -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
It seems that in some ways this list may have lost it's focus. If I'm wrong, please correct me. Isn't Fedora here to explore the latest and greatest? If this is true, at some point two releases a year might not be enough based upon advancements. If someone is expecting a relative distro without change and they don't want to pay the support costs, they should stick with CentOS or Ubuntu TLS - correct? Speaking about incompatibility, isn't the only guarantee is that a kernel at the same level, regardless of distribution, will function exactly the same?! If you want to move from, say, KDE3 to KDE4 you have to upgrade your system because drivers and libraries are hardly ever forward compatible. If you want to move from the ext3 to the ext4 file system you must upgrade your system?! So, what this person is saying is that - I'm going to stop using Fedora because it's constantly moving forward and I want to live in the past! Thanks, Gene Poole -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Fwd: Re: TightVNC for FC10]
Here is where you too can get TightVNC for FC10! If you follow the links you will get to the rpms that you can download and then do a yum localinstall. Original Message On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 01:40:35PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I see your name in the changelog for TightVNC for FC11, so I have ventured to ask your advice/help. Well, building of server is not so easy. I built rpms for F10, you can download them from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1124252. Note that if you want to use "Tight" encoding and compression you have to start viewer with "-PreferredEncoding Tight" parameter. Regards, Adam -- Adam Tkac, Red Hat, Inc. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: > > 2009/2/12 Armin : > > >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > > >> word?) > > > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > > > > > > > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > > > I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > > (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > > -- > Sam > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles -- cmg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + > "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > >> Ian Malone wrote: >>> 2009/2/12 Armin : > Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > word?) it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! >>> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. >>> >> I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas >> >> (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) >> >> -- >> Sam >> > > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles > > -- cmg > How about Fedoranatics? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
Gene Poole wrote: > It seems that in some ways this list may have lost it's focus. > > If I'm wrong, please correct me. Isn't Fedora here to explore the latest > and greatest? If this is true, at some point two releases a year might not > be enough based upon advancements. > > If someone is expecting a relative distro without change and they don't > want to pay the support costs, they should stick with CentOS or Ubuntu TLS > - correct? Speaking about incompatibility, isn't the only guarantee is > that a kernel at the same level, regardless of distribution, will function > exactly the same?! If you want to move from, say, KDE3 to KDE4 you have to > upgrade your system because drivers and libraries are hardly ever forward > compatible. If you want to move from the ext3 to the ext4 file system you > must upgrade your system?! > > So, what this person is saying is that - I'm going to stop using Fedora > because it's constantly moving forward and I want to live in the past! > > Thanks, > Gene Poole > > I do tend to agree here. It sounds to me like a case of 'upgrade fatigue'. I think we've all been there. You get something working the way you want it and then something new comes along. Do you A) upgrade and hope for the best? or B) Stay where you are knowing it'll work the way you like. I think a lot of the answer to that question comes from previous experiences. If the OP has been bitten by various 'hiccups' that come from upgrades enough times, he'll be very conservative. If not, then he may think, it'll work just fine, it has in the past, and do the upgrade. For some people it seems that a new Fedora version is released and virtually immediately after all the kinks are worked out of that version, a new one is released. I can certainly see that causing this kind of post. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 07:34 -0500, David Antonio Garcia Campos wrote: > Hi asdf qwer, > The problem i see is that my kernel is still 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 > , if i do change the soft link as you say, wouldnt this cuase a > problem? > what is the result of: rpm -qa | grep kernel ??? -- Brian Millett - [ G'Kar and Na'Toth (to Tu'Pari), "The Parliament of Dreams"] "With luck, they may never find you, but if they do, you will know pain..." '...and you will know fear...' "...and then you will die. Have a pleasant flight." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
> Speaking about incompatibility, isn't the only guarantee is that a > kernel at the same level, regardless of distribution, will function exactly > the same?! If you want to move from, say, KDE3 to KDE4 you have to upgrade > your system because drivers and libraries are hardly ever forward > compatible. If you want to move from the ext3 to the ext4 file system you > must upgrade your system?! > > So, what this person is saying is that - I'm going to stop using Fedora > because it's constantly moving forward and I want to live in the past! > > Thanks, > Gene Poole There may be a point there, considering that Fedora 10 will not have KDE 3.5.x and the instability of KDE 4.2 (most related to plasmoid/plasma component). Many users of KDE would like to work with KDE 3.5.x, until the 4.2 release becomes more stable/mature. Jay -- Registered Linux User # 483705 @ http://counter.li.org/ (openSUSE 11.1, i686) Smolts Profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/?uuid=pub_b541a450-9bc1-45fd-beab-d46ee43a0108 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Linksys WMB54G Wireless-G Music Bridge
Original Message Subject: Linksys WMB54G Wireless-G Music Bridge From: Mikkel L. Ellertson To: Fedora List Date: 02/12/2009 02:35 PM Does anyone here have any experience, good or bad, using it with Linux? The only Google hits I found were not in English... If the DAAP servers that Craig mentioned don't work you could try running the Linksys software using Wine. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 11:37 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > la...@ausics.net wrote: > > Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only > > read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, > > Paul W. Frields is the *Fedora Project Leader*, you idiot! She already said she's only reading replies from "offical" domains, so I think we're wasting our time here. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FC6 and samba update
Hi all, I have a Fedora 6 production server in a pc refurb company that process about 1000 different pcs a day. We use pxeboot for most everything. I keep getting issues with samba locking on files, then crashing. I want to upgrade to a newer version of samba to try and rectify this issue. Can I use a rpm from fedora 8 or 10 and it still work? This server doesn't have internet access so it would be local installs Thank you in advance -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 09:19 -0500, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + > "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > > > Ian Malone wrote: > > > 2009/2/12 Armin : > > > >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > > > >> word?) > > > > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > > > > > > > > > > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > > > > > I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > > > > (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > > > > -- > > Sam > > > > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles I'll see your Fedoraphiles and raise 2 more: Fedoraphiliacs Hmm. Sounds like a disease ... :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
Jay Mistry wrote: > > >> Speaking about incompatibility, isn't the only guarantee is that a >> kernel at the same level, regardless of distribution, will function exactly >> the same?! If you want to move from, say, KDE3 to KDE4 you have to upgrade >> your system because drivers and libraries are hardly ever forward >> compatible. If you want to move from the ext3 to the ext4 file system you >> must upgrade your system?! >> >> So, what this person is saying is that - I'm going to stop using Fedora >> because it's constantly moving forward and I want to live in the past! >> >> Thanks, >> Gene Poole > > There may be a point there, considering that Fedora 10 will not have > KDE 3.5.x and the instability of KDE 4.2 (most related to > plasmoid/plasma component). Many users of KDE would like to work with > KDE 3.5.x, until the 4.2 release becomes more stable/mature. > > Jay KDE 4.2 is very stable for me. I've found, however, that using r1 of Qt 4.4.2 has some issues with KDE4.2. But, using the latest release of Qt4.4.2 fixes all of that. Mine has been rock solid since the release. But then, I built mine from source instead of the RPMs. I will still say KDE4.2 is damn good and more useful (to me anyway) than GNOME. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 11:37 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> la...@ausics.net wrote: >>> Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only >>> read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, >> Paul W. Frields is the *Fedora Project Leader*, you idiot! > > She already said she's only reading replies from "offical" domains, so I > think we're wasting our time here. > > poc > Yeah we are. This chick is crazy. Beyond crazy. I've migrated more people to Fedora than Ubuntu in my days. And all away from Windows. Her cluelessness about this astonishes me. Hope she has fun with that. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:57 +, Ian Malone wrote: > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. Mad hatters? ;-) -- Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Tim wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:57 +, Ian Malone wrote: I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. Mad hatters? ;-) That makes me wonder, what group would be the March Hare? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fc, fc, fc, fc?
Why does Fedora Core still live on? kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 Terminal-0.2.8.3-1.fc10 git-1.6.0.6-1.fc10 I'm dying here. Someone please help me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mediawiki dependencies
Why on earth is texlive a dependency with mediawiki? I'd rather not have 100 megs of fluff on my system. # yum install mediawiki [...] Install 28 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 97 M Is this ok [y/N]: n I have mediawiki running from a tarball from mediawiki.org without any issues serving thousands of users. Looks like I'll be sticking to my tarball. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
On Friday 13 February 2009 06:37:53 Kevin Kofler wrote: > la...@ausics.net wrote: > > Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only > > read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, > > Paul W. Frields is the *Fedora Project Leader*, you idiot! > > > so to avoid getting into long rantings with trolls > > Pot calling the kettle black. > > Kevin Kofler LOL!! I loved the last sentence (Pot calling the kettle black) -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:37:53AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > la...@ausics.net wrote: > > Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only > > read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, > > Paul W. Frields is the *Fedora Project Leader*, you idiot! Well, no need to call names. > > so to avoid getting into long rantings with trolls > > Pot calling the kettle black. It's obvious to me at this point that the OP wasn't interested in an honest dialogue, but had already made up her mind to some extent on the issues. In one sense that's unfortunate, because everywhere I've gone and spoken about these issues with other people -- many of them users of various Linux distributions other than Fedora -- I've been able to achieve a really clear understanding with tham as to how these issues work. Maybe it's that email isn't as good a communication vehicle as we'd like (or think?), but that's neither here nor there. But I do know that on many occasions -- not just a few -- those people have walked away with a far better appreciation for how Fedora works, and not just in the sense of legal, licensing, or maintenance issues. That makes me feel very confident in our model and community strength. Now in another sense it's not all that unfortunate, because people who aren't even willing to listen critically and discuss constructively frankly don't make very effective community members. That's not to say that disagreement is bad! If we never disagreed with each other in the Fedora community, Fedora would quickly wither and die. A substantial amount of our progress comes from disagreement -- *constructive* disagreement -- and then discussion, consensus, a plan of action, and follow-through to address it. And being strong-minded is fine too -- as long as one balances that with openness to change in the event that one is wrong. People who aren't willing to be open-minded in their thinking, and their interactions with other community members, don't tend to be good at contributing. So if someone without the inclination to engage in constructive dialogue doesn't want to continue in our community, they're free to pursue their own idea of greener pastures, and we welcome them back when their worldview has blossomed a bit. Free and open source software are built on open dialogue, vigorous collaboration, and critical (but cordial!) review of ideas, code, and content. In my experience, Fedora leads the pack when it comes to building on those cornerstones of FOSS. Our continued, shared success in empowering a huge, diverse, and energetic community of contributors to FOSS -- not just consumers -- isn't just some marketing hype; it's a testament to the power of these ideas. (By the way, I'm also pfrie...@fedoraproject.org, but for now I prefer to use the same email address I've been using for 5.5 years of contributing to FOSS through the Fedora Project.) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgplsGGjMunNk.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Why does Fedora Core still live on? kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 Terminal-0.2.8.3-1.fc10 git-1.6.0.6-1.fc10 I'm dying here. Someone please help me. Iirc, the 'c' in the package tags was retained because dropping it would cause sorting issues for package NVREs. I believe it has been bacronymed as "fedora collection". ;) Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 09:19 -0500, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + > "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > >> Ian Malone wrote: >>> 2009/2/12 Armin : > Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > word?) it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! >>> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. >>> >> I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas >> >> (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) >> >> -- >> Sam >> > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles I'll see your Fedoraphiles and raise 2 more: Fedoraphiliacs Hmm. Sounds like a disease ... :-) It would probably be translatable as "One who has an abnormal attraction to Fedora" (c.f. Necrophiliac) Maybe there could be several collective nouns: Fedorallergics: People who break out into a rash at the very mention of it (Ubuntu users? ;o) Fedoraphobics: People who hate Fedora, but use it anyway. Fedoraphiles: People who like Fedora Fedoraphiliacs: People who like Fedora a little too much. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Seann Clark wrote: > Tim wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:57 +, Ian Malone wrote: >> >>> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. >>> >> >> Mad hatters? ;-) > > That makes me wonder, what group would be the March Hare? As a slight , Fedora (in addition to the hat-connection), is also the name of a Billy Wilder-directed film, loosely based on the life of enigmatic Swedish-born, American actress, Greta Garbo (http://www.garboforever.com/Unrealized-10.htm#Fedora). Jay -- Registered Linux User # 483705 @ http://counter.li.org/ (openSUSE 11.1, i686) Smolts Profile: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/?uuid=pub_b541a450-9bc1-45fd-beab-d46ee43a0108 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:20 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Why does Fedora Core still live on? > > > > kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 > > Terminal-0.2.8.3-1.fc10 > > git-1.6.0.6-1.fc10 > > > > I'm dying here. Someone please help me. > > > > Iirc, the 'c' in the package tags was retained because dropping it > would cause sorting issues for package NVREs. I believe it has been > bacronymed as "fedora collection". ;) Well, I learned a new word today (Bryn's misspell easily forgiven)... backronym n. [portmanteau of back + acronym] A word interpreted as an acronym that was not originally so intended. This is a special case of what linguists call `back formation'. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Friday 13 February 2009 10:25:18 Mark Haney wrote: > Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + > > > > "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > >> Ian Malone wrote: > >>> 2009/2/12 Armin : > > Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > > word?) > > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > >>> > >>> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > >> > >> I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > >> > >> (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > >> > >> -- > >> Sam > > > > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles > > > > -- cmg > > How about Fedoranatics? > > > -- > Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione > quadraturae circuli > > Mark Haney > Sr. Systems Administrator > ERC Broadband > (828) 350-2415 > > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support Fedoramar? How about this one? -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
Craig White wrote: > > Well, I learned a new word today (Bryn's misspell easily forgiven)... > > backronym > > n. [portmanteau of back + acronym] A word interpreted as an acronym that > was not originally so intended. This is a special case of what linguists > call `back formation'. > > Craig > You simply can't beat a football reference in a Fedora post on linguistics. :) -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Friday 13 February 2009 11:13:29 Sharpe, Sam J wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 09:19 -0500, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + > > > > > > "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > > >> Ian Malone wrote: > > >>> 2009/2/12 Armin : > > > Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > > > word?) > > > > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > > >>> > > >>> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > > >> > > >> I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > > >> > > >> (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Sam > > > > > > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles > > > > I'll see your Fedoraphiles and raise 2 more: Fedoraphiliacs > > > > Hmm. Sounds like a disease ... :-) > > It would probably be translatable as "One who has an abnormal attraction > to Fedora" (c.f. Necrophiliac) > > Maybe there could be several collective nouns: > > Fedorallergics: People who break out into a rash at the very mention of > it (Ubuntu users? ;o) > Fedoraphobics: People who hate Fedora, but use it anyway. > Fedoraphiles: People who like Fedora > Fedoraphiliacs: People who like Fedora a little too much. > > -- > Sam And I add: Fedoraphilistas (people who fight for Fedora and love it so much!) -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:20 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Michael Cronenworth wrote: Why does Fedora Core still live on? kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 Terminal-0.2.8.3-1.fc10 git-1.6.0.6-1.fc10 I'm dying here. Someone please help me. Iirc, the 'c' in the package tags was retained because dropping it would cause sorting issues for package NVREs. I believe it has been bacronymed as "fedora collection". ;) Well, I learned a new word today (Bryn's misspell easily forgiven)... I prefer that spelling - according to google, it's the dominant variation - there's 28,000,000 hits for that spelling to 39,000 with the 'k' :) I shall persist in this mis-spelling :) Cheers, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mediawiki dependencies
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:35:16 -0600, Michael wrote: > Why on earth is texlive a dependency with mediawiki? I'd rather not have > 100 megs of fluff on my system. > > # yum install mediawiki > [...] > Install 28 Package(s) > Update 0 Package(s) > Remove 0 Package(s) > > Total download size: 97 M > Is this ok [y/N]: n > > I have mediawiki running from a tarball from mediawiki.org without any > issues serving thousands of users. Looks like I'll be sticking to my > tarball. Please examine the src.rpm, find out why texlive is used, and report a bug/RFE if you can show what is wrong. Help with improving the packaging. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
Original Message Subject: Re: fc, fc, fc, fc? From: Bryn M. Reeves To: Craig White CC: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." Date: 02/13/2009 09:41 AM I prefer that spelling - according to google, it's the dominant variation - there's 28,000,000 hits for that spelling to 39,000 with the 'k' :) I shall persist in this mis-spelling :) Thanks for the heads up. In any case, "fc" is still going to bug the hell out of me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mediawiki dependencies
Original Message Subject: Re: mediawiki dependencies From: Michael Schwendt To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/13/2009 09:41 AM Please examine the src.rpm, find out why texlive is used, and report a bug/RFE if you can show what is wrong. Help with improving the packaging. Yes, that's my next course of action, but I thought I would probe the mailing list for answers before I do something stupid like generate a frivolous bug report. P.S. Notice I sent the original mail over 12 hours ago. redhat.com doesn't like me. :( -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:41 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:20 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > >> Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >>> Why does Fedora Core still live on? > >>> > >>> kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 > >>> Terminal-0.2.8.3-1.fc10 > >>> git-1.6.0.6-1.fc10 > >>> > >>> I'm dying here. Someone please help me. > >>> > >> Iirc, the 'c' in the package tags was retained because dropping it > >> would cause sorting issues for package NVREs. I believe it has been > >> bacronymed as "fedora collection". ;) > > > > Well, I learned a new word today (Bryn's misspell easily forgiven)... > > I prefer that spelling - according to google, it's the dominant > variation - there's 28,000,000 hits for that spelling to 39,000 with > the 'k' :) > > I shall persist in this mis-spelling :) it may be dominant but it's not covered at all at dictionary.com persist in your wicked ways and I'll say no more about them. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mediawiki dependencies
Original Message Subject: Re: mediawiki dependencies From: Michael Schwendt To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/13/2009 09:41 AM Please examine the src.rpm, find out why texlive is used, and report a bug/RFE if you can show what is wrong. Help with improving the packaging. Done. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485447 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mediawiki dependencies
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 09:45:56AM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Original Message > Subject: Re: mediawiki dependencies > From: Michael Schwendt > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > Date: 02/13/2009 09:41 AM > >> >> Please examine the src.rpm, find out why texlive is used, and report a >> bug/RFE if you can show what is wrong. Help with improving the packaging. >> > > Yes, that's my next course of action, but I thought I would probe the > mailing list for answers before I do something stupid like generate a > frivolous bug report. > > P.S. Notice I sent the original mail over 12 hours ago. redhat.com > doesn't like me. :( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements TeX is used for rendering mathematical formulae inline. It looks from this page to be optional, so maybe there's a way to split that requirement into a mediawiki-math subpackage. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpG5l3ThT3EN.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Mark Haney írta: > Carroll Grigsby wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + >> "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: >> >> >>> Ian Malone wrote: >>> 2009/2/12 Armin : >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a >> word?) >> > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > > I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. >>> I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas >>> >>> (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) >>> >>> -- >>> Sam >>> >>> >> I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles >> >> -- cmg >> >> > > How about Fedoranatics? > Can we stop these collective nuances? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F10: can't get dual-head working
I have a laptop with F10, and am trying to get an external VGA LCD panel to work (in a dual-head setting). I did the following: * login using gnome * attach + power up monitor (it goes into 'no-signal' power save mode) * Fire up gnome-display-properties (System > Preferences > Hardware > Screen Resolution) It detects the external monitor; I select it, change its resolution from 'off' to '1440x900', click apply, and the monitor resolutely stays in power save mode. Also, quitting then restarting gnome-display-properties shows the monitor's resolution setting has switched back to 'off'. Any suggestions? It's a Dell 640m laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. xrandr shows: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 1440 VGA connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 1440x900 59.9 + 75.0 59.9 1400x1050 60.0 1280x1024 75.0 60.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 75.0 70.1 60.0 832x62474.6 800x60072.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x48075.0 72.8 75.0 66.7 59.9 720x40070.1 LVDS connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 300mm x 190mm 1440x900 60.0*+ 1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 640x48059.9 TV disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) -- A walk of a thousand miles begins with a single step... then continues for another 1,999,999 or so. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:21:31 +0100 Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote: > Can we stop these collective nuances? No! It's pronounced "collective nuances", but its spelt "Throat-Warbler Mangrove". -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mediawiki dependencies
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:41:47 +0100 Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Why on earth is texlive a dependency with mediawiki? I'd rather not have > > 100 megs of fluff on my system. I'd strongly guess to support the math formula stuff in mediawiki. No doubt it runs the math through TeX to format it and produces a image from the output. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: > 2009/2/12 Mikkel L. Ellertson : >> JD wrote: >>> I have been a unix user since the early 70's. Were you even born then? >>> >> Yes, I was born then - I was even working with computers then. So I >> have seen a bit of the computer world. > > You're both clearly in the same ballpark (the category of "in > computing before I was born") but the evidence suggests that maturity > does not necessarily correlate with advancing years. I resemble that remark. > I recently popped onto this list from the RHEL ones - I hope this > thread isn't an indication of normality around here or I might as > well go home. > Don't take your ball and go home - Nothing is normal on this list. :) We are usually serious around here, but we need to take a break every now and then and be silly. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
First thoughts on KDE4.2...
I thought I'd start a thread on first thoughts about KDE4.2... It feels faster. I don't think it looks as nice as KDE 4.1.x did. I liked the black background on the panel better than the current panel color scheme. That is probably being picky, but it is what I think. Maybe the panel background color could be set in the future ? I find the file icon "icon bars" that appear on an icon when you holdover to be too big now. I thought they were better in KDE 4.1.4. I love the LCDWeather widget. I have 2 of them in my lower panel. I wish that they displayed the name of the location they are indicating for. For example, it should say "Las Vegas" when you open it up. I guess the designers didn't anticipate people having more than one weather widget operating once ? Evolution seems to run faster. I have really large email folders. My lower, centered panel now retains its width setting and doesn't move the icons around between sessions ! Its nice this problem is finally fixed. It doesn't seem possible to move icons within a panel. I'm hoping this feature appears in the near future so that I can group icons they way I like them. Overall, it looks pretty good. Kudos to the KDE team for their efforts. LG -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: can't get dual-head working
Dave Mitchell wrote: I have a laptop with F10, and am trying to get an external VGA LCD panel to work (in a dual-head setting). I did the following: * login using gnome * attach + power up monitor (it goes into 'no-signal' power save mode) * Fire up gnome-display-properties (System > Preferences > Hardware > Screen Resolution) It detects the external monitor; I select it, change its resolution from 'off' to '1440x900', click apply, and the monitor resolutely stays in power save mode. Also, quitting then restarting gnome-display-properties shows the monitor's resolution setting has switched back to 'off'. Any suggestions? It's a Dell 640m laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. xrandr shows: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 1440 VGA connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 1440x900 59.9 + 75.0 59.9 1400x1050 60.0 1280x1024 75.0 60.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 75.0 70.1 60.0 832x62474.6 800x60072.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x48075.0 72.8 75.0 66.7 59.9 720x40070.1 LVDS connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 300mm x 190mm 1440x900 60.0*+ 1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 640x48059.9 TV disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) This helped me: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Has livna gone belly up?
Anyone know what's up with rpm.livna.org lately? I was under the impression that one or two packages would still be hosted at livna since rpmfusion wouldn't/couldn't host them. But the last couple of days it's been unreachable. -- * Stephen Berg * * sb...@mississippi.com * * Sinners can repent, * * But stupid is forever. * -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Has livna gone belly up?
On Friday 13 February 2009 12:54:09 Steve Berg wrote: > Anyone know what's up with rpm.livna.org lately? I was under the > impression that one or two packages would still be hosted at livna since > rpmfusion wouldn't/couldn't host them. But the last couple of days it's > been unreachable. > > > -- > * Stephen Berg * > * sb...@mississippi.com * > * Sinners can repent, * > * But stupid is forever. * http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2009/02/rpmlivnaorg-is-not-dead.html no, it hasn't. Some server problems apparently! -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] good excuse to have a party
(I'm in San Jose, California, USA so I'm using my local timezone.) 'Tis time to celebrate absolutely nothing. On Friday the 13th of February 2009 at 3:31:30pm PST it will be 1234567890 Linux (Unix) Time: "date +%s" Yeah wo wo Any excuse for a party. Celebrate and go have a beer ;D Sorry for the noise (I just couldn't resist). Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with the kernel when installing virtual box:Fedora 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64
David Antonio Garcia Campos wrote: Hi, I tried that but it says that i realdy have the latest kernel-source installed see: [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# sudo yum install kernel-devel Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ... ... Finished 371 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Package kernel-devel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 already installed and latest version Nothing to do However I get the same error when i run ./vboxdrv setup: Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found at /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. But these two directories are soft links. The */source is a soft link to */build and build t's a soft link to this directory /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 which does not exist. does this mean i have to rebuild my kernel? if so i dont know where to begin. Thanks a lot for everyones help. Dave On 2/12/09, JD wrote: David Antonio Garcia Campos wrote: Hi everyone, Im trying to install virtual box from an rpm but Im getting an error message when i try to install it. Im using fedora 10 arch:2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 ERROR message from virtual box:Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 cannot be found at /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/build or /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64/source. You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located. Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without For some reason i have this directory:/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 but when i run uname -r i get: [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# pwd /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 [r...@localhost 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64]# uname -r 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 can someone please put me on the right direction? Thanks a lot, Dave As root, or via sudo, just install kernel devel: sudo yum install kernel-devel and then run sudo service vboxdrv setup and that should then build the vbox driver and install it. I am not sure what had done in the past to get /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 You or someone had probably booted kernel 2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64 and then installed kernel-devel. Good luck. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines David, So, you are booted with kernel 2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 and you already have kernel-deve. Good. Now do this: cd /lib/modules/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 rm -f source build ln -sf /usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 build service vboxdrv setup Be happy. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: First thoughts on KDE4.2...
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 09:50 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Evolution seems to run faster. I have really large email folders. Evolution is a Gnome app. There's no reason it should run any faster in KDE 4.2 than in 4.1. Perhaps you updated Evo at the same time (2.24 has new indexing code which makes large folders much better). [...] > It doesn't seem possible to move icons within a panel. Click on the cashew (right side of the panel) and hover over the icon you want to move. Hold down the left mouse button, drag and release. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> >> 2009/2/12 Armin : >> >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?) >> > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! >> > >> >> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. >> > I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > > (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > I'll go with Fedorante --it sounds like a Don Quixote thing. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Friday 13 February 2009 13:32:10 Aldo Foot wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Sharpe, Sam J > > wrote: > > Ian Malone wrote: > >> 2009/2/12 Armin : > >> >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > >> >> word?) > >> > > >> > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > >> > >> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > > > > I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > > > > (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > > I'll go with Fedorante --it sounds like a Don Quixote thing. > > ~af Fedoranito sounds good too! -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: First thoughts on KDE4.2...
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:54 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 09:50 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > Evolution seems to run faster. I have really large email folders. > > Evolution is a Gnome app. There's no reason it should run any faster in > KDE 4.2 than in 4.1. Perhaps you updated Evo at the same time (2.24 has > new indexing code which makes large folders much better). I know that Evo is a gnome app. It still feels faster. There doesn't appear to have been any changes to it recently. grep "evolution" yum.log Jan 08 08:08:28 Updated: evolution-2.24.2-3.fc10.i386 Jan 08 08:10:01 Updated: evolution-help-2.24.2-3.fc10.i386 Jan 23 19:43:43 Updated: evolution-data-server-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386 Jan 23 19:44:25 Updated: evolution-data-server-doc-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386 Jan 23 19:44:28 Updated: evolution-data-server-devel-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386 Jan 23 19:45:39 Updated: evolution-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386 Jan 23 19:46:22 Updated: evolution-help-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386 > > [...] > > > It doesn't seem possible to move icons within a panel. > > Click on the cashew (right side of the panel) and hover over the icon > you want to move. Hold down the left mouse button, drag and release. That worked. Thanks. The panel also crashed once while I was moving icons around. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
xorg crashes during updates
I've had bad things happening during updates when using PackageKit. When PackageKit is updating (download stage or update stage) and I press ALT-TAB then X crashes with this backtrace: 0: /usr/bin/Xorg(xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x812bc5b] 1: /usr/bin/Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0x51) [0x80bcc81] 2: [0x337400] 3: /usr/bin/Xorg(miHandleValidateExposures+0x37) [0x8123837] 4: /usr/bin/Xorg(UnmapWindow+0x1f8) [0x8070818] 5: /usr/bin/Xorg(compFreeClientWindow+0x23a) [0x813e74a] 6: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x813bbf4] 7: /usr/bin/Xorg(FreeResource+0x10c) [0x806e01c] 8: /usr/bin/Xorg(compUnredirectWindow+0x7b) [0x813e2eb] 9: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x813c54e] 10: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x8123e55] 11: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x8123d6c] 12: /usr/bin/Xorg(miChangeSaveUnder+0x6b) [0x8123f0b] 13: /usr/bin/Xorg(MapWindow+0x37b) [0x8070f7b] 14: /usr/bin/Xorg(ProcMapWindow+0x69) [0x8085619] 15: /usr/bin/Xorg(Dispatch+0x34f) [0x8085e9f] 16: /usr/bin/Xorg(main+0x47d) [0x806b71d] 17: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5) [0x99c6e5] 18: /usr/bin/Xorg [0x806ab01] ALT-TAB is an "always reproducible" case. An "occasionally reproducible" case is when I'm using the mouse inside the PackageKit dialogues, or X just decides to crash sometime randomly during the update process. This is with compiz on or off. nVidia binary driver in use. GeForce 5200 FX. I've only seen this happen on this card. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Never-ending boot progress
> -Original Message- > From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tim > Sent: 13 February 2009 10:00 > To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. > Subject: RE: Never-ending boot progress > > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 15:33 +, Tim Clarke wrote: > > 3) Once i've got to the grub prompt during the installation i type > > "linux textmode" and it gaily starts the installer graphically. Wth? > > It's just "linux text" rather than "linux textmode" > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/sn-graph ics-problem.html > (look near the end of the first paragraph) Thanks Tim. Also looks. D'oh Tim -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: can't get dual-head working
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:54:23AM -0600, Ron Siven wrote: > Dave Mitchell wrote: >> I have a laptop with F10, and am trying to get an external VGA LCD panel to >> work (in a dual-head setting). >> >> I did the following: >> >> * login using gnome >> * attach + power up monitor (it goes into 'no-signal' power save mode) >> * Fire up gnome-display-properties (System > Preferences > Hardware > >> Screen Resolution) >> >> It detects the external monitor; I select it, change its resolution from >> 'off' to '1440x900', click apply, and the monitor resolutely stays in >> power save mode. >> >> Also, quitting then restarting gnome-display-properties shows the >> monitor's resolution setting has switched back to 'off'. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> It's a Dell 640m laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. >> >> xrandr shows: >> >> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 1440 >> VGA connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) >>1440x900 59.9 + 75.0 59.9 1400x1050 60.0 >> 1280x1024 75.0 60.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 >> 75.0 1024x768 75.0 70.1 60.0 832x62474.6 >>800x60072.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x480 >> 75.0 72.8 75.0 66.7 59.9 720x40070.1 LVDS >> connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 300mm >> x 190mm >>1440x900 60.0*+ >>1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 640x48059.9 >> TV disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) >> >> >> > This helped me: > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 Ah thanks. For the record, my problem was due to insufficient virtual screen size. I created a minimal /etc/X11/xorg.conf to set a virtual screen big enough for two 1440x900 displays stacked vertically: Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Configured Video Device" DefaultDepth24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 1400 1800 EndSubSection EndSection Logged back in, and now it works (modulo gnome panels being screwed up in various unamusing ways). -- You live and learn (although usually you just live). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Based on the original thread, the only people who didn't think that Firefox was slow had dual core or better machines. I highly disagree that one should need a dual core to run a browser. And yes I have pango disabled, And no, it's not DNS problems. The only apparent problem I have is that I don't have a dual core machine. Slashdot: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/13/0058251 Original Article: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benchmarked-firefox-javascript-linux-and-windows-and-its-not-pretty -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mediawiki dependencies
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:41:35 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:41:47 +0100 > Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > Why on earth is texlive a dependency with mediawiki? I'd rather not have > > > 100 megs of fluff on my system. > > I'd strongly guess to support the math formula stuff in mediawiki. > No doubt it runs the math through TeX to format it and produces > a image from the output. Kindly pay attention to whom you attribute your quotes. I did not write what is quoted below "Michael Schwendt wrote". -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xorg crashes during updates
Original Message Subject: xorg crashes during updates From: Michael Cronenworth To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/13/2009 12:01 PM I've had bad things happening during updates when using PackageKit. When PackageKit is updating (download stage or update stage) and I press ALT-TAB then X crashes with this backtrace: Disregard this email. I sent it to the wrong list, and it's something with my system; not with packagekit. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is > stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux > instead. Which firefox builds are you using? Are you using the upstream Mozilla build under wine and the Fedora build under Fedora? Did you test the Mozilla linux build on Fedora? I take it you mean slow page rendering. I just want to be clear, different people use "slow" to mean different things. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
KDE4.x: How do I open a folder from folderview with Dolphin instead of Konqueror ?
So I have a Desktop folderview widget open on my desktop. All is good. If I right click a folder and select Open With... it shows Dolphin as the top application.However, if I click on the folder, it opens with Konqueror. How do I change my system so that when I click on a folder in a folderview widget, it opens with Dolphin ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is > stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux > instead. Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] good excuse to have a party
Who cant dude i'm in California too and ill probably do something hell any excuse to have a party is a good excuse right? On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Mike Wright wrote: > (I'm in San Jose, California, USA so I'm using my local timezone.) > > 'Tis time to celebrate absolutely nothing. > > On Friday the 13th of February 2009 at 3:31:30pm PST it will be 1234567890 > Linux (Unix) Time: "date +%s" > > Yeah wo wo > > Any excuse for a party. Celebrate and go have a beer ;D > > Sorry for the noise (I just couldn't resist). > > Mike Wright :m) > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is >> stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux >> instead. > > Which firefox builds are you using? Are you using the upstream Mozilla > build under wine and the Fedora build under Fedora? Did you test the > Mozilla linux build on Fedora? I have been using the Fedora provided builds since F7. > I take it you mean slow page rendering. I just want to be clear, > different people use "slow" to mean different things. I'll try to paint a picture (at least until someone instructs me on specific metrics to collect) I do a lot of web development, on FC7, I basically had to stop using my desktop for my most of my web work, and when I did use it it was Konqueror as I only have Fedora on my desktop. When I say slow, I don't mean boots slow, here's a incomplete of things that are slow, and by slow I mean slower than my now dead 4 year old laptop with Windows XP on a Celeron: * switching between tabs * zooming (I mean _really_ slow) * loading new pages often blocks the entire browser * reloading often (again, I do web work) * even basic loading of pages (is slower than other machines on the same network) In FC7 I could not use the guided Bugzilla mode with Firefox. The only thing that has changed between FC7 and F9 for me is that I did a serious hardware upgrade of my machine. And that was necessary because scrolling a page in Firefox would starve PulseAudio of resources and literally kill it. I always assumed this were just bugs that would be worked out. But it's been going on for pretty long now. Now, I have dual core test machine, and Firefox is unobtrusive on that machine, at least it is fast enough that my model is the likely bottleneck. If there are spefic tests that one would like me to do, I'll be happy to do them. It just seems unhelpful for me to file a bugzilla issue that "firefox is slow". -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is >> stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux >> instead. > > Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? I don't use Wine, but I'll be sure to try it when I get home tonight. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE4.x: How do I open a folder from folderview with Dolphin instead of Konqueror ?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > So I have a Desktop folderview widget open on my desktop. All is good. > If I right click a folder and select Open With... it shows Dolphin as > the top application.However, if I click on the folder, it opens with > Konqueror. > > How do I change my system so that when I click on a folder in a > folderview widget, it opens with Dolphin ? > > Thanks That's weird, it opens up Dolphin for me. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Red Hat g++ packaging question
?> Most likely your RAM is faulty. Run a memory tester. The random errors were a memory issue. I'm still wondering if... PS> I have code that suffered from the following GCC PS> bug reports... PS> 1. A problem with floating point calculations, PS> that caused repeatable crashing one of my apps: PS> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38045 PS> I can work around it by adding this compiler PS> option: -fno-if-conversion or by randomly changing PS> other lines of code. PS> 2. A problem with "code reordering" that messed PS> up glibc which affected threading code found in PS> wxWidgets wxThread class: PS>http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=29415 PS> I worked around it by using joinable threads PS> instead of detached threads. the 4.3.3 fixed to these problems have been backported to Fedora's gcc-c++-4.3.2-7 on Fedora 10? Pete -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > I have been using the Fedora provided builds since F7. Mozilla's upstream linux builds are materially different that what we ship. I believe the Mozilla builds build in some libraries statically and maybe some other compile time differences like pango support. What would be fruitful is doing a comparison for specific tasks firefox tasks using different firefox builds. Mozilla windows build on native windows. Mozilla windows build under wine running in Fedora. Mozilla linux build running in Fedora. Fedora linux build running in Fedora with pango support turned off. The Fedora Firefox version has a several language packs installed by default. Does the Mozilla build have those as by default as well? Could there be a rendering slow down due to that? I don't know. Thats why I want you to test the Mozilla builds running of Fedora. If you are going to do it, try to formalize the methodology so that you are doing the same tasks in the same order from the moment the first firefox window appears. Also to make sure there isn't some screwing library caching going on. Do full reboots between tests to ensure library caches are cleared. > * switching between tabs > * zooming (I mean _really_ slow) > * loading new pages often blocks the entire browser > * reloading often (again, I do web work) > * even basic loading of pages (is slower than other machines on the > same network) > If there are spefic tests that one would like me to do, I'll be happy > to do them. It just seems unhelpful for me to file a bugzilla issue > that "firefox is slow". I don't know how to do accurate computer based timing on any of these firefox operations. But if you are talking about human perceptual differences on the order of seconds, it might be enough to screencast your scripted set of actions so people can see the time differences in the context of your task sequence methodology. If the biggest differences are between windows and linux firefox builds that says its something we can drive into Mozilla discussion. If the biggest difference is between the Mozilla and Fedora builds, that's something we'll have to bring to the attention of our maintainer. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
On Friday 13 February 2009, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >Sharpe, Sam J wrote: >> 2009/2/12 Mikkel L. Ellertson : >>> JD wrote: I have been a unix user since the early 70's. Were you even born then? >>> >>> Yes, I was born then - I was even working with computers then. So I >>> have seen a bit of the computer world. >> >> You're both clearly in the same ballpark (the category of "in >> computing before I was born") but the evidence suggests that maturity >> does not necessarily correlate with advancing years. > >I resemble that remark. So do I, but at 74, I steadfastly refuse to grow up. Unforch the calendar calls me a liar. As does the mirror, dammit. >> I recently popped onto this list from the RHEL ones - I hope this >> thread isn't an indication of normality around here or I might as >> well go home. > >Don't take your ball and go home - Nothing is normal on this list. > >:) We are usually serious around here, but we need to take a break > >every now and then and be silly. And that is what they call this? Boggles the mind, it does. >Mikkel -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) With the current ACPI code in my test boxes it seems to be no worse than APM, unfortunately it would be hard to be worse. - Alan Cox on the ACPI mailing list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I don't know how to do accurate computer based timing on any of these > firefox operations. But if you are talking about human perceptual > differences on the order of seconds, it might be enough to screencast > your scripted set of actions so people can see the time differences in > the context of your task sequence methodology. If the biggest > differences are between windows and linux firefox builds that says its > something we can drive into Mozilla discussion. If the biggest > difference is between the Mozilla and Fedora builds, that's something > we'll have to bring to the attention of our maintainer. Oh and yeah... we'll also need to try to find a test that reduces the problem of network affects. Does using the ip address instead of hostname make a difference? Do local pages served from localhost of the same complexity have the same relative slowdowns across builds? This probably isn't the problem..but its good to be sure. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
Original Message Subject: Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux) From: Patrick O'Callaghan To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/13/2009 12:43 PM On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux instead. Have you tried it in Wine on your machine? Is it in fact better? poc Patrick, Jeff, This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-February/msg00570.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE4.x: How do I open a folder from folderview with Dolphin instead of Konqueror ?
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:59 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > So I have a Desktop folderview widget open on my desktop. All is good. > > If I right click a folder and select Open With... it shows Dolphin as > > the top application.However, if I click on the folder, it opens with > > Konqueror. > > > > How do I change my system so that when I click on a folder in a > > folderview widget, it opens with Dolphin ? > > > > Thanks > > > That's weird, it opens up Dolphin for me. I found Kstart-> System Settings-> Default Applications -> File Manager. Here I can set the default file manager to Dolphin. However, when I do that and open a folder in folderview, it asks me for root permission ! Is this a bug ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mkinitrd fails in fc5
Linux bootp 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 #1 Tue Aug 8 15:30:55 EDT 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I cannot get mkinitrd to work. It only responds with the --help list, seeming to say that my syntax is wrong. I am attempting to include usb-storage I am running as root from /root [r...@bootp ~]# mkinitrd preload=ehci-hcd preload=usb-storage preload=scsi_mod preload=sd_mod /boot/initrd_usb.img 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 usage: mkinitrd [--version] [--help] [-v] [-f] [--preload ] [--force-ide-probe] [--force-scsi-probe | --omit-scsi-modules] [--image-version] [--force-scsi-probe | --omit-raid-modules] [--with=] [--force-lvm-probe | --omit-lvm-modules] [--builtin=] [--omit-dmraid] [--fstab=] [--nocompress] (ex: mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.5-15.img 2.2.5-15) [r...@bootp ~]# and no new .img in /boot: [r...@bootp ~]# ls -l /boot/*img* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1058886 Aug 17 2006 /boot/initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.img -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1081430 Aug 21 2006 /boot/initrd-2.6.17-1.2174_FC5.img -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7006019 Dec 21 2006 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386 my experience running mkinitrd is meager, but this just looks broken. maybe fc5 is just too old? I saw lots of mkinitrd bugs "wont fix" by googling. but this lack of any response except the help pkg tells me I am doing something basically wrong. I get same result using \ to breakup the command into two lines thanks for any help Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mkinitrd fails in fc5
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:51:31 -0800, jackson byers wrote: > > my experience running mkinitrd is meager, but this just looks broken. > maybe fc5 is just too old? I saw lots of mkinitrd bugs "wont fix" by > googling. FC5 is long out of support. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mkinitrd fails in fc5
2009/2/13 jackson byers : > > Linux bootp 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 #1 Tue Aug 8 15:30:55 EDT 2006 i686 i686 i386 > GNU/Linux > > I cannot get mkinitrd to work. It only responds with the --help list, > seeming to say that my syntax is wrong. > I am attempting to include usb-storage > > I am running as root from /root > > [r...@bootp ~]# mkinitrd preload=ehci-hcd preload=usb-storage > preload=scsi_mod preload=sd_mod /boot/initrd_usb.img > 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 > usage: mkinitrd [--version] [--help] [-v] [-f] [--preload ] >[--force-ide-probe] [--force-scsi-probe | --omit-scsi-modules] >[--image-version] [--force-scsi-probe | --omit-raid-modules] >[--with=] [--force-lvm-probe | --omit-lvm-modules] >[--builtin=] [--omit-dmraid] >[--fstab=] [--nocompress] Err, unless GMail is chewing your message, you've forgotten a lot of dashes in that mkinitrd. It should be: mkinitrd --preload=ehci-hcd --preload=usb-storage --preload=scsi_mod --preload=sd_mod /boot/initrd_usb.img 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mkinitrd fails in fc5
jackson byers wrote: > > Linux bootp 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 #1 Tue Aug 8 15:30:55 EDT 2006 i686 i686 > i386 GNU/Linux > > I cannot get mkinitrd to work. It only responds with the --help list, > seeming to say that my syntax is wrong. > I am attempting to include usb-storage > > I am running as root from /root > > [r...@bootp ~]# mkinitrd preload=ehci-hcd preload=usb-storage > preload=scsi_mod preload=sd_mod /boot/initrd_usb.img > 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 > usage: mkinitrd [--version] [--help] [-v] [-f] [--preload ] >[--force-ide-probe] [--force-scsi-probe | --omit-scsi-modules] >[--image-version] [--force-scsi-probe | --omit-raid-modules] >[--with=] [--force-lvm-probe | --omit-lvm-modules] >[--builtin=] [--omit-dmraid] >[--fstab=] [--nocompress] > >(ex: mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.5-15.img 2.2.5-15) > [r...@bootp ~]# > > and no new .img in /boot: > [r...@bootp ~]# ls -l /boot/*img* > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1058886 Aug 17 2006 > /boot/initrd-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.img > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1081430 Aug 21 2006 > /boot/initrd-2.6.17-1.2174_FC5.img > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7006019 Dec 21 2006 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386 > > my experience running mkinitrd is meager, but this just looks broken. > maybe fc5 is just too old? I saw lots of mkinitrd bugs "wont fix" > by googling. > > but this lack of any response except the help pkg > tells me I am doing something basically wrong. > I get same result using \ to breakup the command into two lines > > > thanks for any help > Jack > I think reading the mkinitrd man page would help. I do not believe you are using the preload option properly. --preload=module Load the module module in the initial ramdisk image. The module gets loaded before any SCSI modules which are specified in /etc/modprobe.conf. This option may be used as many times as necessary. You normally do not need to preload any SCSI modules. But the big mistake I see here is you are using preload instead of --preload. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own > tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. I think the more correct thing to say is that the linux version of Firefox is slow. From my reading this is not a Fedora specific problem... the mozilla builds are equally affected. This could be a real problem for all linux distributors that needs to be addressed in the upstream firefox codebase. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: mkinitrd fails in fc5
Mikkel responded You normally do not need to preload any SCSI modules. But the big mistake I see here is you are using preload instead of --preload. Mikkel thanks to both Sam and Mikkel but it does appear gmail was chewing my message I hadthe double dash everywhere as per the man page Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox RunningSlow in Linux)
Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own >> tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. > > I think the more correct thing to say is that the linux version of > Firefox is slow. From my reading this is not a Fedora specific > problem... the mozilla builds are equally affected. This could be a > real problem for all linux distributors that needs to be addressed in > the upstream firefox codebase. > > -jef > I think I"m going to run some of my own benchmarks on my Gentoo box since I see no difference between FF on linux and on Windows. (I have dual boot.) I don't see any appreciable difference in either OS, javascript or otherwise. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: First thoughts on KDE4.2...
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > I thought I'd start a thread on first thoughts about KDE4.2... > > It feels faster. > True. > I don't think it looks as nice as KDE 4.1.x did. I liked the black > background on the panel better than the current panel color scheme. That > is probably being picky, but it is what I think. Maybe the panel > background color could be set in the future ? > > I find the file icon "icon bars" that appear on an icon when you > holdover to be too big now. I thought they were better in KDE 4.1.4. True, Chitlesh -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)
Arthur Pemberton wrote: > So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is > stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux > instead. ok. someone missed a previous post. also, msbsos users are complaining about slow and eating resources. from previous post; } Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:10:13 -0500 } From: paul s } To: fedora-list@redhat.com } References: } In-Reply-To: } Subject: Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux [snip] Reduce the amount of RAM Firefox uses for it’s cache feature Try this: 1) Type “about:config” (no quotes) in the address bar in the browser. 2) Find “browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers” 3) Set it’s value to “0“;(Zero) Increase the Speed in Which Firefox loads pages 1) Type “about:config” into the address bar and hit Enter. (Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.) 2) Alter the entries as follows: Set “network.http.pipelining” to “true” Set “network.http.proxy.pipelining” to “true” Set “network.http.pipelining.maxrequests” to some number like 10. This means it will make 10 requests at once. 3) Lastly, right-click anywhere and select New->Integer. Name it “nglayout.initialpaint.delay” and set its value to “0“;.(Zero) This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives. If you’re using a broadband connection you’ll load pages faster now. Optionally (for even faster web browsing) here are some more options for your about:config (you might have to create some of these entries by Right Click –> New– >Interger or String “network.dns.disableIPv6”: set “false” “content.notify.backoffcount”: set “5”; (Five) “ui.submenuDelay”: set “0”; (Zero) Reduce RAM usage to 10mb when Firefox is minimized This little hack will drop Firefox’s RAM usage down to 10 Mb when minimized: 1) Open Firefox and go to the Address Bar. Type in about:config and then press Enter. 2) Right Click in the page and select New -> Boolean. 3) In the box that pops up enter “config.trim_on_minimize”. Press Enter. 4) Now select True and then press Enter. 5) Restart Firefox. These simple tweaks will make your web browsing with Mozilla Firefox at least twice as fast and it's a pretty simple thing anybody can do. [/snip] i will find out tonight when i try them. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mkinitrd fails in fc5
2009/2/13 jackson byers : > > Mikkel responded > You normally do not need to preload any SCSI modules. But the big > mistake I see here is you are using preload instead of --preload. > > Mikkel > > > thanks to both Sam and Mikkel > but it does appear gmail was chewing my message > I hadthe double dash everywhere as per the man page I've also just noticed that you are using "--preload=" when the man page actually says "--preload " - try dropping the = signs. Having checked though, RHEL4 (which can't be far off FC5) doesn't care if you have an equals sign or not - most commands accept both. My best suggestion would be to drop the preload stuff and see if mkinitrd works with just: # mkinitrd /boot/initrd_usb.img 2.6.17-1.2174_FC5 Then try adding in your preload stuff - at least that will tell you if mkinitrd is functional! -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
Craig White wrote: > it may be dominant but it's not covered at all at dictionary.com > > persist in your wicked ways and I'll say no more about them. you just check wrong tionary. should have used your wik instead of your dic. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/backronym http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bacronym http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bacronyms http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/recursive_acronym -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: can't get dual-head working
Dave Mitchell wrote: Ah thanks. For the record, my problem was due to insufficient virtual screen size. I created a minimal /etc/X11/xorg.conf to set a virtual screen big enough for two 1440x900 displays stacked vertically: Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Configured Video Device" DefaultDepth24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Virtual 1400 1800 EndSubSection EndSection Logged back in, and now it works (modulo gnome panels being screwed up in various unamusing ways). If you want to go past 2048 pixels in either direction on a 945 you have to turn off acceleration (Option "NoAccel" "true" in the "intel" driver section). Jeff -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
On Friday 13 February 2009 16:51:11 g wrote: > should have used your wik instead of your dic. lol, that sounds like something else! -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 13:41 -0400, Armin wrote: > On Friday 13 February 2009 13:32:10 Aldo Foot wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Sharpe, Sam J > > > > wrote: > > > Ian Malone wrote: > > >> 2009/2/12 Armin : > > >> >> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a > > >> >> word?) > > >> > > > >> > it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! > > >> > > >> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. > > > > > > I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas > > > > > > (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) > > > > I'll go with Fedorante --it sounds like a Don Quixote thing. > > > > ~af > > Fedoranito sounds good too! Fedorales? Fedora's posse! (Sorry, it's Friday afternoon...) -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 08:47 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:41 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > > Craig White wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 15:20 +, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > > >> Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > >>> Why does Fedora Core still live on? > > >>> > > >>> kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 > > >>> Terminal-0.2.8.3-1.fc10 > > >>> git-1.6.0.6-1.fc10 > > >>> > > >>> I'm dying here. Someone please help me. > > >>> > > >> Iirc, the 'c' in the package tags was retained because dropping it > > >> would cause sorting issues for package NVREs. I believe it has been > > >> bacronymed as "fedora collection". ;) > > > > > > Well, I learned a new word today (Bryn's misspell easily forgiven)... > > > > I prefer that spelling - according to google, it's the dominant > > variation - there's 28,000,000 hits for that spelling to 39,000 with > > the 'k' :) > > > > I shall persist in this mis-spelling :) > > it may be dominant but it's not covered at all at dictionary.com > > persist in your wicked ways and I'll say no more about them. More egregious than the misspelling is the misuse. An acronym is not just an abbreviation, it's an abbreviation pronounceable as a word. The closest word I can pronounce from "fc" is not suitable for mailing-list use. 8^) > > Craig > > -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns
Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 13:41 -0400, Armin wrote: On Friday 13 February 2009 13:32:10 Aldo Foot wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: Ian Malone wrote: 2009/2/12 Armin : Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a word?) it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) I'll go with Fedorante --it sounds like a Don Quixote thing. ~af Fedoranito sounds good too! Fedorales? Fedora's posse! (Sorry, it's Friday afternoon...) Ohmigawd, I think I started this! I'm going to amend my initial attempt and go with "Fedorite". Sounds a bit like some of mineral. "We dug down and found a large deposit of fedorite..." -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - To err is human, to moo bovine. - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns
Rick Stevens wrote: Ohmigawd, I think I started this! I'm going to amend my initial attempt and go with "Fedorite". Sounds a bit like some of mineral. "We dug down and found a large deposit of fedorite..." So that would make all of us Fedorologists? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: First thoughts on KDE4.2... lots of bugs...
I'm finding a lot of bugs in KDE4.2 1) KDE asks for root permission when I open a folder with Dolphin from a folderview. 2) Kstart gets messed up when I go from classical mode to the kickoff mode. Half the kickoff menu extends below the bottom of my display. The Kstart widget icon gets big when I am done. 3) I've crashed plasma twice and I get errors when I start it from time to time. 4) I crashed one of my panels when I tried to rearrange the icons in it. Now I can't add a Konsole icon to it. 5) I get funky flashing menus in applications from time to time. 6) My display goes funky during boot up. It starts good but then displays parts of old windows then goes black (or blue) for a long time. After a while it goes normal, except that the desktop background doesn't display on my second monitor. I'm not saying KDE4.2 is bad, just that its not entirely stable. Hopefully there will be an update in the near future. After all, it is a .0 release. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns
Steve Berg wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Ohmigawd, I think I started this! I'm going to amend my initial attempt and go with "Fedorite". Sounds a bit like some of mineral. "We dug down and found a large deposit of fedorite..." So that would make all of us Fedorologists? Hadn't thought of it that far, but I suppose so. Yes! And if our systems are in caves and covered in bat guano dripping from the O'Reilly sendmail book we could be Spelinuxers. (oh my, this is getting worse and worse!) -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick" - - themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - - -- Winston Churchill - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
