Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
Mail Lists-3 wrote: > > > Have to agree with Kevion on this - whilst I do sympathize you mourning > the death of kde 3 - it is dead. Attempting to dig it up and breathe > life into it .. is not the right choice. > > I understand that kde4 has driven away many (including everyone i know > who used to use kde and even linus himself .. ) but still - you gotta > either get with kde 4.x or leave it and maybe come back when you are > comfortable kde 4 does what you want - whether today or in 6 months .. > or a year. > > I also must agree - as one who did also move to gnome for F10 I am hopeful that in time with KDE 4.3 and beyond that good functionality will return to the new KDE desktop. With each update there are more facilities, and more configurability. New plasmoids will be developed, more control over the desktop will be developed and slowly users may return to kde from gnome again. However returning to KDE 3.5 in the new distributions is not sensible, and you would be using insecure ghosts from the past. There have been earth shattering changes in the run-up to F10, and F11 will have even more good developments by the time it is released in a little over two months. It is time-consuming to move forward with the newer facilities at times but it is worth that effort. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/KDE3-on-F9-and-F10-HOWTO%2C-now-online-tp22279295p22283429.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Swap file size?
I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? Thanks Dave-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing nVidia drivers on FC10
Updated answer. Seems the semaphore.h file is now on my system. Don't know when it was added, but it's there in four locations. (never rains but it pours). Regards Dave - Original Message - From: "Dave Bolt IT Solutions" To: "Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora." Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Installing nVidia drivers on FC10 Supposedly. It was one of the packages that the nVidia installation required. Dave - Original Message - From: "Andras Simon" To: "Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora." Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Installing nVidia drivers on FC10 On 3/1/09, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: Thanks Sam and Andras Remains to be seen if the driver makes a difference. That will take a few days. Meanwhile, can anyone shed any light on the header file? Do you have the kernel-devel package installed? Andras -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 09:45 +, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: > Does Fedora Core 10 automatically change the size of the swap file or > do I have to tinker? No... When you create, or the install routine does, a swap partition or swap file, that's the size it's created at. Depending on what you use your computer for, you mayn't need to change the size of what you're using. If you do want to increase it, adding another swap file is quite easy. Changing partition sizes would need you to have some spare space on a hard drive, either unpartitioned, or being able to resize existing partitions. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kde-4.2
On Sunday 01 March 2009 22:57:44 Jim wrote: > Jim wrote: > > Anne Wilson wrote: > >> On Sunday 01 March 2009 19:33:40 Jim wrote: > >>> Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 01 March 2009 18:01:14 Jim wrote: > > Anne Wilson wrote: > >> On Sunday 01 March 2009 17:11:04 Jim wrote: > >>> Anne Wilson wrote: > This is part of the Panel Config. You can get that either from > the > Panel Settings menu (right-click on empty taskbar) or by > hitting the > small cashew at the extreme right of the panel. When that > panel is > open, hovering over the icon will change the cursor to a > diamond, at > which point you can drag the icon to any position you want. You > probably will want to do this with any new launch icons you > add, to > get them into the order you prefer. Before you leave, check > out the > More Settings, just so that you know what the choices are. > Leave by > hitting the red X. > > Anne > >>> > >>> I moved one Icon at left, over one spot, and then the panel "tray" > >>> extended out to cover 50% of the panel, how do you resize the tray, > >>> same with clock. > >>> This Panel in KDE-4.2 is the screwiest thing I've ever seen. > >> > >> Sorry, I can't answer that. I have 4.2 on three different systems > >> (hardware and software versions) and don't have that problem. I > >> can't > >> even guess the cause. > >> > >> Anne > > > > I'm using 4.2 also. > > I'm just wondering if something left over from the updates is causing > this. Try renaming these two files > ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc > ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc > > and re-start KDE. You will lose any configuration you've done, but it > will be a clean start, and hopefully will then hold the settings you > make. > > Anne > >>> > >>> I renamed the two files to .bak and it generate new ones but it had no > >>> affect on Panel/Tray. > >> > >> The method Colin gave you would have been better. Try that. > >> > >>> The only thing I seen different was it deleted the Linked Icons I had > >>> made on Desktop folder. > >>> Since this is a new install , I login to Root and deleted the User I > >>> setup and made a new one, which gives me a new > >>> Panel/Tray, I will just have to Link new Icons on Desktop/Folder. > >> > >> I'm not sure what you mean by this. You can certainly have launch > >> icons on the panel. Is that now what you mean? > >> > >>> Some place in .kde/share/config will have to be settings for Panel . > >> > >> Change the settings using the gui tools provided. > >> > >> Anne > > > > The only draw back is there is no way to resize the "Tray" which > > covers 50% of panel. > It's about 12-15% on this laptop and maybe 20-22% on the netbook. > The settings for the Panel is in plasma-appletsrc, attached is example > of the Panel Tray : > [Containments][3][Applets][8] > geometry=844,3,112,32 I would think that the geometry line is what's defining the size. My laptop has 951,2,178,34 and the netbook has 716,6,216,33. What strikes me is that third parameter. I'd try backing up the plasma-appletsrc, killing plasma then editing that parameter to a larger number. If it doesn't work as required you can simply replace the old file. > immutability=1 To me, that line suggests that it is locked. I don't know whether 'unlock widgets' affects the tray or not. Have you tried that? OTOH, both my systems have it set to 1, so it's probably correct. > plugin=systemtray > zvalue=0 I'm casting around in the dark - sheer guesswork - but as long as you make backups first you should be able to recover if you hit a problem. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
problem getting Fritz WLAN USB running in Fedora 9 x86_64
Hi all, I've been doing a lot of searching the net, including this list, for a solution to my problem: I've got Fedora 9 x86_64 running (nicely) with all current updates up to now, but I just cannot get my Fritz WLAN USB adaptor (drivers) installed. For one thing, since compiling the source code that I got from the AVM company web site does not work, I wanted to resort to installing the ndiswrapper package, but that is not found/available (from Fedora at least). Does anybody know what I need to either be able to successfully compile the source code under x86_64, or to get this ndiswrapper package installed? Also, if I go with the ndiswrapper solution would I need to use the XP or Vista 64-bit drivers, or the regular 32-bit? The device monitor recognizes it when plugged in and lsusb gives this: # lsusb Bus 002 Device 003: ID 057c:62ff AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1 [no firmware] Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:0734 Microsoft Corp. Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub and compiling the source code gives this: [... fritz]# ll total 156 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 214 2007-07-05 15:00 config-wpa -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 215 2007-07-05 15:00 config-wpa2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104 2007-07-05 15:00 install drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-07-05 15:00 lib -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64210 2007-07-05 15:00 Liesmich.html -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62096 2007-07-05 15:00 Readme.html drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-07-05 15:00 src [... fritz]# ./install make: Entering directory `/root/Download/fritz/src' rm -f main.o driver.o tools.o lib.o buffers.o wext.o rm -f fwlanusb.o fwlanusb.ko make: Leaving directory `/root/Download/fritz/src' make: Entering directory `/root/Download/fritz/src' make -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.x86_64/build SUBDIRS=/root/Download/fritz/src modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.x86_64' CC [M] /root/Download/fritz/src/main.o In file included from /root/Download/fritz/src/tools.h:31, from /root/Download/fritz/src/main.c:32: /root/Download/fritz/src/defs.h:63: error: redefinition of typedef ‘uintptr_t’ include/linux/types.h:40: error: previous declaration of ‘uintptr_t’ was here make[2]: *** [/root/Download/fritz/src/main.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/root/Download/fritz/src] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.x86_64' make: *** [fwlanusb.o] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/root/Download/fritz/src' make: Entering directory `/root/Download/fritz/src' cp: cannot stat `fwlanusb.ko': No such file or directory make: *** [install] Error 1 make: Leaving directory `/root/Download/fritz/src' [... fritz]# Thanks in advance for your help! Robert -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
rythmbox not seeing cdrom
A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in. Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't seen any threads on the list with this subject. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
something about themes and widget
Hi all, is it possible that installing and using some themes on KDE 4.2 (Fedora 9 updated) some widget stop functioning? And sometimes plasma crash after adding a widget? For example, I'm using Arezzo theme and I can't use Analogic Clock (is added but not displayed). I'm able to use, instead, the picture frame. It seems that this started after upgrading to 4.2 Tnx Ambrogio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
update to fedora 10
Hello, Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session (startx) when logged as a standard user ! The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. root user is OK. I boot in test mode. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
Roberto Ragusa wrote: > this is a (late) follow up to my mails about > having KDE 3 from F8 on Fedora 9 and 10. > > As there were some people interested in what I've done, > I finally found the time to put all the stuff > online (specs, patches, SRPMS, RPMS). > > Everything is on this page (including a disclaimer): >http://www.robertoragusa.it/kde3_fedora_9/kde3_for_fedora_9_and_beyond.html Thanks for the followup Roberto, I'm sure some will find it helpful. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: logwatch reports kernel errors present
I posted this message last week but didn'yt get any replies. Trying again... Steve wrote: > Every time I boot my machine I get a message like this in logwatch > > WARNING: Kernel Errors Present > ACPI Error (nseval-0159): I ...: 12 Time(s) > > $ uname -r > 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.x86_64 > > I don't see anything in /var/log/messages and in /var/log/dmesg I see: > > ACPI Error (nseval-0159): Insufficient arguments - method [_OSC] needs 5, > found 4 [20080609] > > ie, the same error. Google returned a few hits but nothing that explained > what this meant. I didn't find anything in redhat bugzilla. > > So, what does it mean? Is it important? > > Thanks, > Steve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Lihat profil Facebook saya
On Monday 02 March 2009 02:00:28 Harry Ismail wrote: > Hai And, > > Saya membuat profil Facebook yang dapat saya kirimi foto, video, dan acara > saya dan saya ingin menambahkan Anda sebagai teman sehingga Anda dapat > melihatnya. Sebelumnya, Anda perlu bergabung dengan Facebook! Setelah > bergabung, Anda dapat juga membuat profil Anda sendiri. > > Terima kasih, > Harry > > Untuk mendaftar ke Facebook, ikuti tautan berikut: > http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1495837449&k=SYB333VZT63MZGG1TB33U&r > > > Email ini dapat berisi materi promosi. Jika Anda tidak ingin menerima > materi komersial dari Facebook, silakan klik tautan di bawah ini. Kantor > Facebook beralamat di 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. > http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=97063d&u=553050304 What? wrong address! -- Armin Moradi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
Roberto Ragusa wrote: > Hi all, > > this is a (late) follow up to my mails about > having KDE 3 from F8 on Fedora 9 and 10. > > As there were some people interested in what I've done, > I finally found the time to put all the stuff > online (specs, patches, SRPMS, RPMS). > > Everything is on this page (including a disclaimer): > > http://www.robertoragusa.it/kde3_fedora_9/kde3_for_fedora_9_and_beyond.html > > Best regards. > Thank you! -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kde-4.2
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 01 March 2009 22:57:44 Jim wrote: Jim wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 01 March 2009 19:33:40 Jim wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 01 March 2009 18:01:14 Jim wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 01 March 2009 17:11:04 Jim wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: This is part of the Panel Config. You can get that either from the Panel Settings menu (right-click on empty taskbar) or by hitting the small cashew at the extreme right of the panel. When that panel is open, hovering over the icon will change the cursor to a diamond, at which point you can drag the icon to any position you want. You probably will want to do this with any new launch icons you add, to get them into the order you prefer. Before you leave, check out the More Settings, just so that you know what the choices are. Leave by hitting the red X. Anne I moved one Icon at left, over one spot, and then the panel "tray" extended out to cover 50% of the panel, how do you resize the tray, same with clock. This Panel in KDE-4.2 is the screwiest thing I've ever seen. Sorry, I can't answer that. I have 4.2 on three different systems (hardware and software versions) and don't have that problem. I can't even guess the cause. Anne I'm using 4.2 also. I'm just wondering if something left over from the updates is causing this. Try renaming these two files ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc and re-start KDE. You will lose any configuration you've done, but it will be a clean start, and hopefully will then hold the settings you make. Anne I renamed the two files to .bak and it generate new ones but it had no affect on Panel/Tray. The method Colin gave you would have been better. Try that. The only thing I seen different was it deleted the Linked Icons I had made on Desktop folder. Since this is a new install , I login to Root and deleted the User I setup and made a new one, which gives me a new Panel/Tray, I will just have to Link new Icons on Desktop/Folder. I'm not sure what you mean by this. You can certainly have launch icons on the panel. Is that now what you mean? Some place in .kde/share/config will have to be settings for Panel . Change the settings using the gui tools provided. Anne The only draw back is there is no way to resize the "Tray" which covers 50% of panel. It's about 12-15% on this laptop and maybe 20-22% on the netbook. The settings for the Panel is in plasma-appletsrc, attached is example of the Panel Tray : [Containments][3][Applets][8] geometry=844,3,112,32 I would think that the geometry line is what's defining the size. My laptop has 951,2,178,34 and the netbook has 716,6,216,33. What strikes me is that third parameter. I'd try backing up the plasma-appletsrc, killing plasma then editing that parameter to a larger number. If it doesn't work as required you can simply replace the old file. immutability=1 To me, that line suggests that it is locked. I don't know whether 'unlock widgets' affects the tray or not. Have you tried that? OTOH, both my systems have it set to 1, so it's probably correct. plugin=systemtray zvalue=0 I'm casting around in the dark - sheer guesswork - but as long as you make backups first you should be able to recover if you hit a problem. Anne That's exactly why I made a backup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:21 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session > (startx) when logged as a standard user ! > The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. > > root user is OK. > I boot in test mode. What's the permissions of the /tmp directory? I've seen that sort of thing in prior releases, because there was a problem there. [...@suspishus ~]$ ls -dl /tmp drwxrwxrwt 53 root root 4096 2009-03-03 01:01 /tmp ^ that "t" being crucial, as well as rwx for all the others. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
Hi Mike, Yes it is an update. I alrealdy have this problem with another machine, but I do not remember how it has been fixed !!! Also notice that if I create an user with firstboot, I have the same problem. I set selinux=0 in grub.conf. I expected that would have fix my problem of autmounting partitions which are not in my fstab when startx (right now in root). Regards Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session (startx) when logged as a standard user ! The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. Clean install or upgrade? -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 09:45 +, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: > I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from > 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 > automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? No, you get to change it if you want. And please stop sending HTML to this list. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
I have had recurring cdrom problems on F9 and F10. On F10 I have problems with sound-juicer while ripping CDs. I will successfully rip a bunch of cds using sound-juicer and then I'll put a new cd in to rip and it wont see the cd. If I pop the cd out and back in again quite often my system will lock up and I have to reboot. On my F9 system I wrote a dvd using wodim. After wodim ejected the dvd I popped it back in to verify it and the cdrom icon did not show up on the desktop. When I moved the dvd to another system the icon showed up just fine and the system mounted the dvd. Paolo On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Martín Marqués wrote: > A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially > solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in. > > Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't > seen any threads on the list with this subject. > > -- > Martín Marqués > select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' > DBA, Programador, Administrador > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 10:10 -0200, Martín Marqués wrote: > A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially > solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in. > > Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't > seen any threads on the list with this subject. You need to give more information. Version of Fedora? Desktop in use (Gnome, KDE, etc.)? What did you do to "partially solve" the sound problem? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session > (startx) when logged as a standard user ! > The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. > > Clean install or upgrade? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/update-to-fedora-10-tp22288008p22289083.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Re: FC10 Gnome desktop icons gone]
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 16:08 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 15:18 -0500, Gary Waters wrote: > > It works perfectly when I reply to your emails; however, I had to > hit > > "reply to all" change the list from "cc" to "to" and remove the > > individuals' private emails before hitting send for the following: > > > > dgbo...@comcast.net > > pgalti...@gmail.com > > akons...@sbcglobal.net > > > > It also worked perfectly when I hit "reply to" for > > mik...@infinity-ltd.com. Only the list email address was apparent. > > > > I have no idea what's causing it or If I'm the only one experiencing > > it. Since my mail is among those causing the problem let me comment. When configuring your account in evolution for example one can make the mistake of adding your own Reply-To header. Mine was configured wrongly in that way for a good while. It is not now. I have checked and no second Reply-To appears in the headers. So what you describe happening is still mysterious. -- === We'll try to cooperate fully with the IRS, because, as citizens, we feel a strong patriotic duty not to go to jail. -- Dave Barry === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re:rythmbox not seeing cdrom
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A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially
solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in.
Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't
seen any threads on the list with this subject.
Hi Martin,
Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me
last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of
clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection.
(and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.)
I sent the following mail to the list:
***
Evening All,
Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD
players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while
trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else
been moved to a new package & I've missed it??
Thanks all
Dave
PS I won't get started on the "joys" of trying to get sounds working..
uname -ar
Linux Fedora-Blue 2.6.27.15-170.2.24.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 11
23:58:12 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
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Received the following reply from Paul & replied back:
*
Do you mean you can't see the actual device files (/dev/...) or you
can't play the media? If you can't see the files, check if they still
exist ('ls /dev/...' from the command line). If you can't play the
media, you'll need to say how you used to do it. Dolphin doesn't play
media itself, it uses Kaffeine (or VLC, or dragon, or mplayer, or ...)
poc
Hi POC,
Neither Dolphin nor Krusader would list or show an icon of anything outside "Home" or "Root";
I found autofs had deinstalled during the upgrade so reinstalled that & my external HDD came back.
Rythmbox one time showed the tracklist, but wouldn't play anything, alsomixer wuld show lots of controls & freeze with nearly 100% CPU usage;
Pulsaudio didn't seem to do anything, so (following the comments in the forum) I deleted PA,
but couldn't take out some of the sub utilis of PA without yum wanting to deinstall everything as nmothing was used by anything else.
So loaded amarok & music plays automatically but the icons in "places" for the CD/DVD drives are still missing.
The drives show up however in HWLister. /dev shows entries for cdrom & cdrom1 & cdrw, dvd, dvd1 & dvdrw.
Dave
***
I've just rechecked /dev, and while I have the entries quoted above for
the block devices, there's no folder entry like there is for disks.
It's a RRPITA because I can't even add the devices to "places" in
Dolphin, so I cannot access data discs..
Dave
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Re: NM: the usual rant
On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 17:05 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> Part of the problem here is understanding the difference between the > >> network service and the NetworkManager service. The network service > >> will connect before you log in, while the NetworkManager service > >> connects after you log in. You normally want to run only one of > >> these services. I like the network service for servers and desktops, > >> and the NetworkManager service for laptops. (I need to be able to > >> connect to my desktop even if nobody is logged in.) You can have > >> both services running at the same time, but you have to make sure > >> you have the interfaces that you do not want NetworkManager to > >> control marked as such. > >> > >> > > To add to the discussion, NM doesn't connect to the network without a > > gui. That seems a rather shortsighted design. I found this the hard > > way today when my gui got screwed after an update and some ill > > considered tinkering. > > > What you and Mikkel say make me realize I'm the one who is the dummy > here. I was assuming that NetWorkManager will automatically connect to > my hidden wireless network after I did the setup work after choosing > System --> Administration --> Network, and supplying my network details. > Maybe that GUI has nothing to do with NetworkManager. But I didn't think > of this at the time. I saved the settings in that GUI, got a message > indicating I may want to restart my network, and without thinking that > the 'network' service is turned off in chkconfig for all runlevels > anyhow, I merrily typed away 'service network restart'. Ouch. > > It looks like I have to click the gui icon on the top right of my > desktop showing two computer monitors and then select either a visible > network name, or 'Connect to hidden network...' for the first time one > does a wireless connection. I'll reboot soon to see if it connects > automatically from here on. > > Apparently there is a settings file in > /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf that one can work with, but > mine only has the text > > [main] > plugins=ifcfg-fedora > > and there seems very little NetworkManager documentation to start with. > Maybe it is all in the wiki. The additional plugin should be called: keyfile -- === Shannon's Observation: Nothing is so frustrating as a bad situation that is beginning to improve. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:54:17PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > This is debugging output intended for wireless driver developers only, you > are not expected to understand it. Then it shouldn't be outputting it, unless it's asked for. -- Marc Wilson | Tell me what to think!!! m...@cox.net | -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 14:38 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: > I set selinux=0 in grub.conf. I expected that would have fix my > problem of autmounting partitions which are not in my fstab when > startx (right now in root). Why did you think that? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:21 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session (startx) when logged as a standard user ! The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. root user is OK. I boot in test mode. What's the permissions of the /tmp directory? I've seen that sort of thing in prior releases, because there was a problem there. [...@suspishus ~]$ ls -dl /tmp drwxrwxrwt 53 root root 4096 2009-03-03 01:01 /tmp ^ that "t" being crucial, as well as rwx for all the others. drwxrwxrwt 59 root root 7168 2009-03-02 14:32 /tmp -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Re: FC10 Gnome desktop icons gone]
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 08:51 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Since my mail is among those causing the problem let me comment. When > configuring your account in evolution for example one can make the > mistake of adding your own Reply-To header. Mine was configured > wrongly in that way for a good while. It is not now. I have checked > and no second Reply-To appears in the headers. So what you describe > happening is still mysterious. But you've replied to one of his messages with his address in the reply-to field, and your reply (then) had his address in the to field. See your message, thus: From: Aaron Konstam Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. To: gan...@videotron.ca, Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: FC10 Gnome desktop icons gone Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:25:40 -0600 (Mon, 00:55 CST) Message-Id: <1235917540.3283.15.ca...@cyrus> All in all, this is an odd thing. And even odder that his client behaved oddly, when replying, when there's multiple to addresses. I suspect he's inappropriately (in this case) using a "reply to all" feature, rather than just replying to a message. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re:rythmbox not seeing cdrom(2)
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9. rythmbox not seeing cdrom (Mart?n Marqu?s)
From: Mart?n Marqu?s
Subject: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
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A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially
solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in.
Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't
seen any threads on the list with this subject.
Hi Martin,
Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me
last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of
clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection.
(and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.)
I sent the following mail to the list:
***
Evening All,
Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD
players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while
trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else
been moved to a new package & I've missed it??
Thanks all
Dave
PS I won't get started on the "joys" of trying to get sounds working..
uname -ar
Linux Fedora-Blue 2.6.27.15-170.2.24.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 11
23:58:12 EST 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
*
Received the following reply from Paul & replied back:
*
Do you mean you can't see the actual device files (/dev/...) or you
can't play the media? If you can't see the files, check if they still
exist ('ls /dev/...' from the command line). If you can't play the
media, you'll need to say how you used to do it. Dolphin doesn't play
media itself, it uses Kaffeine (or VLC, or dragon, or mplayer, or ...)
poc
Hi POC,
Neither Dolphin nor Krusader would list or show an icon of anything
outside "Home" or "Root";
I found autofs had deinstalled during the upgrade so reinstalled that &
my external HDD came back.
Rythmbox one time showed the tracklist, but wouldn't play anything,
alsomixer wuld show lots of controls & freeze with nearly 100% CPU usage;
Pulsaudio didn't seem to do anything, so (following the comments in the
forum) I deleted PA,
but couldn't take out some of the sub utilis of PA without yum wanting
to deinstall everything as nmothing was used by anything else.
So loaded amarok & music plays automatically but the icons in "places"
for the CD/DVD drives are still missing.
The drives show up however in HWLister. /dev shows entries for cdrom &
cdrom1 & cdrw, dvd, dvd1 & dvdrw.
Dave
***
I've just rechecked /dev, and while I have the entries quoted above for
the block devices, there's no folder entry like there is for disks.
It's a RRPITA because I can't even add the devices to "places" in
Dolphin, so I cannot access data discs..
Dave
OK... After sending the message, I went back & did an ls -l on /dev
(rather than just looking at it with Dolphin. Here's what I get:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/cdrom -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/cdrom1 -> sr1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/cdrw -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/dvd -> sr0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/dvd1 -> sr1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/dvdrw ->
sr0
brw-rw+ 1 root disk11, 0 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/sr0
brw-rw+ 1 root disk11, 1 2009-03-02 10:55 /dev/sr1
I also notice I have a device mapper, although I was sure (!!) I had
turned it off, not having any Raid type devices.
/dev/mapper:
total 0
crw-rw 1 root root 10, 63 2009-03-02 10:55 control
Dave
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How to mesure the inactivity time
Hi list I am developping a tool with java and I want to know the inactivity time of the user, i.e, the duration of the time that the keybord and mouse were not used. Is there any API that facilitate the access to this information. This should certanly done with KDE and GNOME desktops when they go on background screen. Thanks in advance fior help Regards -- http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/ -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique 1001 Tunis Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Yes it is an update. > > I alrealdy have this problem with another machine, but I do not > remember how it has been fixed !!! > > I seem to remember you had a long thread about this kind of thing already some weeks ago - and at the time there were strong suggestions that running a yum upgrade from fc7 to f10 was not advised. Some people suggested that progressive upgrades from 7 to 8 to 9 to 10 might work but a jump without a clean install from 7 to 10 was more than likely to lead to problems. Is there some special reason why you cannot do a clean install of F10 and then re-instate the user areas? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/update-to-fedora-10-tp22288008p22290529.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kde-4.2
I saw the stretched clock and system tray problem on a client's computer that I worked on recently. He had upgraded to F10 from F9 and had all the problems listed in this thread plus others. His Kickoff was on his desktop so it had to be moved to the panel. His task manager was missing and that allowed the clock and system tray to stretch to fill the panel. Check that you have the task manager widget on your panel, and it fills the available space. Good Luck, Lloyd -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kde-4.2
OOPS, sorry for the unwrapped line. I forgot this editor does not place new lines in autowrap. Lloyd -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
2009/3/2 DB : > fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: > > Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me last > week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of clips > (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection. (and > identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.) amarok doesn't see the CD either. > I sent the following mail to the list: > *** > Evening All, > > Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD players > with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while trying to > get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else been moved to a > new package & I've missed it?? I can see, for example, an F9 DVD with dolphin. So it's not a hardware problem, nor a dolphin issue. It isn't even related to KDE or Gnome (the problem persists on both environments). -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Re: FC10 Gnome desktop icons gone]
Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 15:01 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> On this list, the Reply-To header is not rewritten - one is added >> pointing back to the list. If you have your own Reply-To, then >> replies show up for both. I have to delete the sender's address on >> about 25% of the messages I send. > > I usually don't bother to do that. I (quite rightly) presume that > they've deliberately added their address, and want private copies. > That's the proper way to respond to a message with more than one > reply-to address (reply to all of them). > > If they're silly enough to have just put their address in the > reply-to(*) header, as well, without realising that you shouldn't do > that by default, that's their problem. Otherwise, I mightn't be > replying to some people who've deliberately set things to work that way. > > It's not up to me to try and second guess whether they know what they're > doing, or not. > The problem I run into is that they reply to me, instead of the list. I guess I should really create another email address just for the Fedora lists... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to mesure the inactivity time
Adel ESSAFI wrote: > Hi list > > > I am developping a tool with java and I want to know the inactivity time > of the user, i.e, the duration of the time that the keybord and mouse > were not used. Use a static variable (secondsSincePress) in your main class (e.g. MyProgram), add a keyPressed method (along with blank methods for the rest of the KeyListener interface) that sets secondsSincePress to 0, then call MainJFrame.addKeyListener from MyProgram's main. It is basically the same thing for mouse (MouseListener), except I don't think there's any way to detect mouse /movements/ (only presses and entering and leaving the window). Let us know if you still have questions. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
Martín Marqués wrote: 2009/3/2 DB : fedora-list-requ...@redhat.com wrote: Yup, I have the same problem with Amarok - it did play one CD for me last week when I first installed it, but now all it finds is a couple of clips (that I didn't know I'd made) which it calls my local collection. (and identifies them as something totally unrelated to the actual music.) amarok doesn't see the CD either. I sent the following mail to the list: *** Evening All, Since my preupgrade from F9 to F10, it seems I cannot see my CD/DVD players with Dolphin (nor Krusader). Have I killed something else while trying to get video & sound working with Skype? Or has something else been moved to a new package & I've missed it?? I can see, for example, an F9 DVD with dolphin. So it's not a hardware problem, nor a dolphin issue. It isn't even related to KDE or Gnome (the problem persists on both environments). That's odd I've got 2 DVD readers in Master-slave on the same ide cable. If I put a data disk into either, I get the "recently connected devices" window but neither react to a music disc And, like you, I can navigate through the disk. (One disk I tried is from a Linux magazine, & IIRC it should autostart. It doesn't & clicking on the autostart.sh does nothing -- should it). And it appears that I can't right-click on the disks to get a context menu; both right & left click open the device or file from the r"recently connected" window. In "places" right click allows me to eject, release or hide the CD - Maybe we're not seeing the device, only the disc loaded into the device Dave Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: rythmbox not seeing cdrom
2009/3/2 Patrick O'Callaghan : > On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 10:10 -0200, Martín Marqués wrote: >> A few weeks ago I started experiencing problems with sound (partially >> solved) and rythmbox not seeing the cdrom when it goes in. >> >> Am I the only one experiencing this rythmbox-cdrom problem? Havn't >> seen any threads on the list with this subject. > > You need to give more information. Version of Fedora? Desktop in use > (Gnome, KDE, etc.)? What did you do to "partially solve" the sound > problem? Fedora 10. Laptop Compaq Presario F756la Problem happens with rythmbox and amarok. At the moment I'm using kscd to listen to CDs. xmms also works with CDs. The sound problem had something to do with pulseaudio and the kernel. Rebooted with an old F9 kernel and when I rebooted with the latest kernel sound was working great with PA. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:54:17PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> This is debugging output intended for wireless driver developers only, you >> are not expected to understand it. > > Then it shouldn't be outputting it, unless it's asked for. That's a ridiculous statement. /var/log/messages is not something regular users are supposed to be looking at constantly. In normal use, messages get printed there and ignored. That's okay. However, when an error occurs, it is vital the user be able to go to the logs and copy relevant information. Having a "enable output to /var/log" option would make it very hard to find intermittent errors. If you're an ordinary user and don't plan to file a bug report, just ignore the logs and go on your way. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:54:17PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> This is debugging output intended for wireless driver developers only, you >>> are not expected to understand it. >> Then it shouldn't be outputting it, unless it's asked for. > > That's a ridiculous statement. /var/log/messages is not something > regular users are supposed to be looking at constantly. In normal use, > messages get printed there and ignored. That's okay. > > However, when an error occurs, it is vital the user be able to go to the > logs and copy relevant information. Having a "enable output to > /var/log" option would make it very hard to find intermittent errors. > > If you're an ordinary user and don't plan to file a bug report, just > ignore the logs and go on your way. > > Matt Flaschen > If you never want to see the error messages, then turn off sending them to the log files. You can configure (r)syslog to throw them away. I like the fact that I can go digging in the logs when something goes wrong. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kde-4.2
LPM wrote: I saw the stretched clock and system tray problem on a client's computer that I worked on recently. He had upgraded to F10 from F9 and had all the problems listed in this thread plus others. His Kickoff was on his desktop so it had to be moved to the panel. His task manager was missing and that allowed the clock and system tray to stretch to fill the panel. Check that you have the task manager widget on your panel, and it fills the available space. Good Luck, Lloyd I show the Task Manager is enabled in the Widget window, but I don't see any Icon, if I right click on Panel , next to Tray I see Task Manager Settings and if I click on Task Master Manager Settings I get a Window that opens. General Appearance Show Tips: is checked Force Row Settings: not checked Maximum rows: 2 Grouping & Sorting Grouping: By Program Name Only when Taskbar is full: is checked Sorting: Alphabetically Filters Nothing is checked. Is this the correct settings for Task Manager ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > If you never want to see the error messages, then turn off sending > them to the log files. You can configure (r)syslog to throw them > away. That's another valid option, if you really think the logs are harming your performance (the impact is usually negligible for desktop machines and small-scale servers). Otherwise, just ignore them. I like the fact that I can go digging in the logs when > something goes wrong. I definitely agree. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Re: FC10 Gnome desktop icons gone]
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 10:24 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > The problem I run into is that they reply to me, instead of the > list. I guess I should really create another email address just for > the Fedora lists... That's what I do. Messages sent to me get auto-deleted, and I never see them. People who answer mailing list queries in private ruin the purpose of mailing lists. Likewise with web forums. Time and time again I'll search for an answer to some solution, and all I'll find is other people asking the same question, but no answers. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
I agree that whatever a process can send to a system log, for purposes of error output, the better. If a URL could be supplied by a log message pointing to a resource that can help explain the meaning of the exact error code, that would be a great help too, because it saves the technician's time in tracking down the error. Speaking as someone who fixes other people's computers for money, I wish that "regular users" of every flavor would get accustomed to looking at log messages. Or at least email them to me on request. Doing so could save both of us a lot of time and money. I wouldn't have to charge so much, and my time is conserved for focusing on the really tough issues. I don't really draw any line between a "regular user" and someone with perhaps additional skills or training. In real life, working with real customers, I've seen a lot of variation here. Some customers have great technical skills, some don't. Some have a lot of smarts and can be coached to find and email a resource to me. Some are driven by time constraints that have to be appreciated and understood by technicians like me. Most are a lot smarter than they seem. What they have in common is a problem they all want fixed quickly and quietly. If that person can sift through log messages, and email them to me it helps a lot. So the more log output pertinent to an error, the better. By the way my Network Manager implementation works okay with my wireless hardware. I've discovered that it needs an amazingly long time to build a connection to the access point -- I think there is some sort of timing issue with it. But generally within 3-5 minutes of my logging on to my user account, the machine does connect to the access point. I just get a few more gray hairs waiting for this to happen. Bob Matthew Flaschen wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:54:17PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >>> This is debugging output intended for wireless driver developers only, you >>> are not expected to understand it. >>> >> Then it shouldn't be outputting it, unless it's asked for. >> > > That's a ridiculous statement. /var/log/messages is not something > regular users are supposed to be looking at constantly. In normal use, > messages get printed there and ignored. That's okay. > > However, when an error occurs, it is vital the user be able to go to the > logs and copy relevant information. Having a "enable output to > /var/log" option would make it very hard to find intermittent errors. > > If you're an ordinary user and don't plan to file a bug report, just > ignore the logs and go on your way. > > Matt Flaschen > > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:21 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session > (startx) when logged as a standard user ! > The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. > > root user is OK. Do you end up back at the login screen, or does something else happen (e.g. the screen just blanks). Give us an exact description of events. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Alpine will not show attachments
Hi, I am running alpine-2.00-1.fc10.x86_64 on an F10 box. If I get a message with an html or file attachment and I try to open it, I get an error that "Firefox can't find the file at /tmp/img--46112.htm" The correct program opens up but I always get the can't find file errors. If the message contains a URL then it comes up and displays properly. Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this problem? Regards, -- Tom Diehl tdi...@rogueind.com Spamtrap address mtd...@rogueind.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Alpine will not show attachments
Tom Diehl wrote: > Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this problem? I haven't used Alpine, but it sounds like it's deleting the attachment when Firefox "exits". The problem is, the Firefox launcher exits immediately if Firefox is already running. That means Alpine is probably deleting the file before Firefox can open it. For troubleshooting, try exiting Firefox before telling Alpine to open the file. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
Robert L Cochran wrote: > Speaking as someone who fixes other people's computers for money, I > wish that "regular users" of every flavor would get accustomed to > looking at log messages. Or at least email them to me on request. I agree that it's great if users look at logs and send them to technicians when appropriate. My point is just that if they don't understand them, don't want to look them up, and don't want to report the issue to someone who will, then they should just ignore the logs and stop complaining. > I don't really draw any line between a "regular user" and someone with > perhaps additional skills or training. I agree that such a dichotomy is not necessary. > So the more log output pertinent to an error, the better. Exactly. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Alpine will not show attachments
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Matthew Flaschen wrote: Tom Diehl wrote: Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this problem? I haven't used Alpine, but it sounds like it's deleting the attachment when Firefox "exits". The problem is, the Firefox launcher exits immediately if Firefox is already running. That means Alpine is probably deleting the file before Firefox can open it. For troubleshooting, try exiting Firefox before telling Alpine to open the file. Well except that I went stupid and left out some important details. If I open up a link in the message it opens firefox and displays the link. If I try to open any attachment it opens the correct program be it firefox, evince or whatever and then gives the error message similar to "Unable to open document Error opening file: No such file or directory" The above error is from evince. The message in my previous message was from FF. Just to be sure, I tried your suggestion but no joy. Thanks for trying. Regards, -- Tom Diehl tdi...@rogueind.com Spamtrap address mtd...@rogueind.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Alpine will not show attachments
Tom Diehl wrote: > Well except that I went stupid and left out some important details. > If I open up a link in the message it opens firefox and displays the link. Well, that's different. There wouldn't be any attachment to save into the fs in that case, and thus no tmp file for alpine to prematurely delete. > If I try to open any attachment it opens the correct program be it firefox, > evince or whatever and then gives the error message similar to "Unable > to open document Error opening file: No such file or directory" And when you look for the file manually, it is in fact gone, right? I still think alpine is prematurely deleting it though the fact that it happens with all programs is strange. Matt Flaschen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
Patrick Dupre wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:21 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session (startx) when logged as a standard user ! The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. root user is OK. I boot in test mode. What's the permissions of the /tmp directory? I've seen that sort of thing in prior releases, because there was a problem there. [...@suspishus ~]$ ls -dl /tmp drwxrwxrwt 53 root root 4096 2009-03-03 01:01 /tmp ^ that "t" being crucial, as well as rwx for all the others. drwxrwxrwt 59 root root 7168 2009-03-02 14:32 /tmp since user 'root' is OK, I suspect that you probably are having an issue with older settings and you can temporarily move them out of the way... Use to get to a virtual console. login as your regular user execute these commands as a regular user... mv .gnome .gnome-bak mv .gnome2 .gnome2-bak mv .gconf .gconf-bak mv .gconfd .gconfd-bak and then log in as user to see if that solves the GNOME issue. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: update to fedora 10
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Craig White wrote: Patrick Dupre wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:21 +, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, after I update fc7 to fedora 10, I cannot start an X session (startx) when logged as a standard user ! The mouse pointer does not show up and the gnome session never starts. root user is OK. I boot in test mode. What's the permissions of the /tmp directory? I've seen that sort of thing in prior releases, because there was a problem there. [...@suspishus ~]$ ls -dl /tmp drwxrwxrwt 53 root root 4096 2009-03-03 01:01 /tmp ^ that "t" being crucial, as well as rwx for all the others. drwxrwxrwt 59 root root 7168 2009-03-02 14:32 /tmp since user 'root' is OK, I suspect that you probably are having an issue with older settings and you can temporarily move them out of the way... Use to get to a virtual console. login as your regular user execute these commands as a regular user... mv .gnome .gnome-bak mv .gnome2 .gnome2-bak mv .gconf .gconf-bak mv .gconfd .gconfd-bak I already tried this, but it does not work. I have the same problem when creating a brad new user. and then log in as user to see if that solves the GNOME issue. Craig -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Alpine will not show attachments
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Matthew Flaschen wrote: Tom Diehl wrote: Well except that I went stupid and left out some important details. If I open up a link in the message it opens firefox and displays the link. Well, that's different. There wouldn't be any attachment to save into the fs in that case, and thus no tmp file for alpine to prematurely delete. If I try to open any attachment it opens the correct program be it firefox, evince or whatever and then gives the error message similar to "Unable to open document Error opening file: No such file or directory" And when you look for the file manually, it is in fact gone, right? I still think alpine is prematurely deleting it though the fact that it happens with all programs is strange. I do not think it ever gets created. I never see a tmp file. It could be that it gets created and immediately deleted, I cannot be sure. What I do know is that this used to work and somewhere in between upgrading from pine to alpine it stopped working. Regards, -- Tom Diehl tdi...@rogueind.com Spamtrap address mtd...@rogueind.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Alpine will not show attachments
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:59:34 -0500, Tom Diehl wrote: > I am running alpine-2.00-1.fc10.x86_64 on an F10 box. If I get a message > with an html or file attachment and I try to open it, I get an error > that "Firefox can't find the file at /tmp/img--46112.htm" The correct > program opens up but I always get the can't find file errors. If the > message contains a URL then it comes up and displays properly. > > Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this problem? First, go into M[ain Menu] > S[etup] > C[onfigure] ; type W [hereis], then URL. Make sure the first hit says viewing is enabled. Then W till you get to URL-viewer, and post what it's set to; you may also want to hit the question mark and read the help -- Pine/Alpine help is generally well written. My viewer is unset, and it uses the default; since I run Gnome, my preferences are set in Fedora's Preferences (to Dillo -- it's fastest, and I can always c&p the URL to something else if Dillo can't handle it). When viewing the message, you should see at least one line among the headers specifying the attachment(s). Hit '>' [right angle-bracket]; that gives you just the list of what you can view. With the cursor, highlight what you want, then hit Enter or the angle bracket again. When it asks, tell it Yes. If that fails, tell it Save, and notice the name it offers (or change it, if you like). Then go into your home directory and find it; this time you have all of Fedora to open it with, and will usually succeed. Finally, if it's some cockamamie Windows app, you may have to go looking for what in linux handles that. For specifically html, right- clicking on the saved file will normally let you choose any browser you have to open it with. (I recommend Epiphany; it's the least well- defended, and I keep it around as an expendable to try things that my strong browsers won't handle, when I don't want to stop and figure out which defense I have to relax for something I may only ever look at once.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: something about themes and widget
On Monday 02 March 2009 13:13:52 Ambrogio wrote: > Hi all, > > is it possible that installing and using some themes on KDE 4.2 (Fedora > 9 updated) some widget stop functioning? > And sometimes plasma crash after adding a widget? > > For example, I'm using Arezzo theme and I can't use Analogic Clock (is > added but not displayed). > I'm able to use, instead, the picture frame. > It seems that this started after upgrading to 4.2 > I'm no expert on this, but I believe I have read of people finding that some widgets don't work with some themes. The plasma crashes are probably related to that. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:28:50 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I agree that whatever a process can send to a system log, for purposes > of error output, the better. If a URL could be supplied by a log message > pointing to a resource that can help explain the meaning of the exact > error code, that would be a great help too, because it saves the > technician's time in tracking down the error. > > Speaking as someone who fixes other people's computers for money, I > wish that "regular users" of every flavor would get accustomed to > looking at log messages. Or at least email them to me on request. Doing > so could save both of us a lot of time and money. I wouldn't have to > charge so much, and my time is conserved for focusing on the really > tough issues. [snipperoo] If that spelling of your surname means you're related to the great Emory E Cochran who wrote a Practical German Review Grammar, then Sir, you are a worthy descendant, and if there's an afterlife he must be proud of you. Fine draftsmanship, fine voice of experience; I congratulate you -- and hope you stay on the Fedora list. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
required "compat" packages to run 32-bit toolchain on x86_64?
i have an install of f10 x86_64 on which i'd like to install some coldfire toolchains, but these appear to be 32-bit toolchains since they complain about not finding the linker /lib/ld-linux.so.2. what is the required compatibility package(s) i need to install to run 32-bit packages on this system now? thanks. the actual diagnostic when i try to run the cross-compiler program is: "/lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory." rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
Rex Dieter wrote: > Thanks for the followup Roberto, I'm sure some will find it helpful. About as "helpful" as posting instructions to put a ticking timebomb into one's living room under the heading "get grandmother's watch back"... Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: something about themes and widget
Ambrogio wrote: > is it possible that installing and using some themes on KDE 4.2 (Fedora > 9 updated) some widget stop functioning? It's probably a bug in the offending theme. Does it work again if you switch back to one of the default themes (e.g. Oxygen or Aya)? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > [For the TL;DR crowd: DO NOT FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE OP!!! THEY > WILL REINTRODUCE CRITICAL SECURITY VULNERABILITIES INTO YOUR SYSTEM AND > MAY > ALSO CAUSE A LOT OF DEPENDENCY ISSUES!!!] > > Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> this is a (late) follow up to my mails about >> having KDE 3 from F8 on Fedora 9 and 10. > No amount of disclaimers is going to help the fact that you're giving out > bad advice and that idiots are going to follow it and then whine that it > breaks, nor are they going to help the people who get their system > compromised due to the unfixed security holes in your compatibility > libraries. You have to admit that his warning is very clear... it roughly translates to "if you use this, you're on your own". That warning should be way on the top of the page in big red letters. And yet, someone out there will ignore any dangers related to security holes and broken functionality. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
Kevin Kofler wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: Thanks for the followup Roberto, I'm sure some will find it helpful. About as "helpful" as posting instructions to put a ticking timebomb into one's living room under the heading "get grandmother's watch back"... Kevin Kofler and here was me thinking that fedora was about freedom, not about devs telling you your stupid if you don't upgrade to their newest code whether you like it or not? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
Patrick, Did you mean me when you said to stop sending HTML? My mail client is set to plain text, and the source of my messages shows as plain text when I receive them back, so I assume this was either a standard or accidental comment. Let me know if you know something I don't. Regards Dave - Original Message - From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Swap file size? On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 09:45 +, Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? No, you get to change it if you want. And please stop sending HTML to this list. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: Patrick, Did you mean me when you said to stop sending HTML? My mail client is set to plain text, and the source of my messages shows as plain text when I receive them back, so I assume this was either a standard or accidental comment. Let me know if you know something I don't. Dave, Your original email rendered as HTML in my mail reader. Your follow-up came through as plain text. Perhaps Patrick saw the same thing I did Regards Dave From your original email: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===1736732413== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from = 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 = automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? Thanks Dave --=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found some more memory modules to add = to my test=20 box, taking it from 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file = is 512MB. Does=20 Fedora Core 10 automatically change the size of the swap file or do I = have to=20 tinker? Thanks Dave --=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80-- -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch - slight hiccup!
I have just updated some f10 boxes a few minutes ago. On logging on again after rebooting to the new kernel this evening, the main user directories have had their contexts changed to usr_t so I presume some kind of relabelling has been done - but not correctly! After restorecon -vR /home/user the contexts have mostly reverted to where they should be - I initially noticed because ssh suddenly started demanding a passphrase when it should not need one - and then I noted avc denials. This is for selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch and the related targeted policy. I have tested on several systems and so far all is well after doing restorecon -vR /home as root to fix all user areas in one go. Any one user can fix their own user area by doing restorecon -vR /home/user I presume that this will lose any chcon changes - but any contexts that were saved as a rule using semanage fcontext presumably should be restored - though I have not had time to explore all directories yet. This update was pushed to stable today so presumably it will take a while to sync to all mirrors. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch---slight-hiccup%21-tp22296524p22296524.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE3 on F9 and F10 HOWTO, now online
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 20:09 +, phil wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Thanks for the followup Roberto, I'm sure some will find it helpful. > > > > About as "helpful" as posting instructions to put a ticking timebomb into > > one's living room under the heading "get grandmother's watch back"... > > > > Kevin Kofler > > > and here was me thinking that fedora was about freedom, not about devs > telling you your stupid if you don't upgrade to their newest code > whether you like it or not? No-one here is stopping anyone from doing anything. Freedom means freedom to shoot yourself in the foot, and it also means being able to voice an opinion about the sanity of doing so. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 15:36 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: > > Patrick, > > Did you mean me when you said to stop sending HTML? > > My mail client is set to plain text, and the source of my messages shows > > as plain text when I receive them back, so I assume this was either a > > standard or accidental comment. > > Let me know if you know something I don't. > > Dave, > Your original email rendered as HTML in my mail reader. Your follow-up > came through as plain text. Perhaps Patrick saw the same thing I did In fact the original was in both plaintext and HTML, and my mail reader is set to show the plaintext in these cases. However I could see the HTML was also there, so I put in a word about it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: > I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from > 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 > automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? > Thanks > Dave See how much memory you use normally. If all programs you run fit in RAM (which is often the case), you'll be fine. In fact, in this case, tweaking swap size won't do anything for you. You'll only have problems if you try to use more than RAM+swap. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Alpine will not show attachments
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Beartooth wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:59:34 -0500, Tom Diehl wrote:
I am running alpine-2.00-1.fc10.x86_64 on an F10 box. If I get a message
with an html or file attachment and I try to open it, I get an error
that "Firefox can't find the file at /tmp/img--46112.htm" The correct
program opens up but I always get the can't find file errors. If the
message contains a URL then it comes up and displays properly.
Does anyone know how to troubleshoot this problem?
First, go into M[ain Menu] > S[etup] > C[onfigure] ; type W
[hereis], then URL. Make sure the first hit says viewing is enabled. Then
W till you get to URL-viewer, and post what it's set to; you may also
want to hit the question mark and read the help -- Pine/Alpine help is
generally well written.
This looks right to me:
_TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ /usr/bin/firefox
"/usr/bin/mozilla _URL_"
"/usr/bin/links _URL_"
and if I click on a link in the message firefox opens up and goes to the site
selected.
My viewer is unset, and it uses the default; since I run Gnome,
my preferences are set in Fedora's Preferences (to Dillo -- it's fastest,
and I can always c&p the URL to something else if Dillo can't handle it).
When viewing the message, you should see at least one line among
the headers specifying the attachment(s). Hit '>' [right angle-bracket];
that gives you just the list of what you can view. With the cursor,
highlight what you want, then hit Enter or the angle bracket again.
Well now here is the problem that I am trying to solve. when I do this
I see the following:
12 lines Text/PLAIN (charset: ISO-8859-1 "Latin 1 (Western
Europe)")
2 87 KB Message/RFC822, "Fwd: Fw: The Plan"
2.1.1.1168 lines Text/PLAIN
2.1.1.2 ~621 lines Text/HTML
2.1.2 29 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "ThePlan.jpg")
If I select the first 2 entries I get to see the attachments. If I select the
Text/HTML or Image/JPEG (Name: "ThePlan.jpg") entries I get the appropriate
viewer but a file not found error. That is the problem I am trying to
describe and solve.
When it asks, tell it Yes. If that fails, tell it Save, and
notice the name it offers (or change it, if you like). Then go into your
home directory and find it; this time you have all of Fedora to open it
with, and will usually succeed.o
Yes and that works although it is cumbersome if all I want to do is see
the html version of an email. Back in my pine days this worked. I would
like to be able to figure out what changed in Alpine. What I am not sure
about is if this feature broke when I upgraded from pine to alpine or
if there was a new version of alpine that broke it. This has been broken
for me for a long time. I just have not had the time to trouble shoot this.
Recently it is becoming a large PITA.
Finally, if it's some cockamamie Windows app, you may have to go
looking for what in Linux handles that. For specifically html, right-
clicking on the saved file will normally let you choose any browser you
have to open it with. (I recommend Epiphany; it's the least well-
defended, and I keep it around as an expendable to try things that my
strong browsers won't handle, when I don't want to stop and figure out
which defense I have to relax for something I may only ever look at once.)
Thanks for the help,
Regards,
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Re: something about themes and widget
Il giorno lun, 02/03/2009 alle 20.37 +0100, Kevin Kofler ha scritto: > Ambrogio wrote: > > is it possible that installing and using some themes on KDE 4.2 (Fedora > > 9 updated) some widget stop functioning? > > It's probably a bug in the offending theme. Does it work again if you switch > back to one of the default themes (e.g. Oxygen or Aya)? > > Kevin Kofler Well, I tried now Aya and oxygen and it's ok. The strange is that I tried with a lot of other themes before, so I thougth it was a kde problem. The theme Arezzo is very beautiful. I don't remember my theme before the upgrade to 4.2 but after the upgrade my desktop was very different from before. Tnx Kevin for pointing me to the default theme. Kde4 is new for me and I don't ever find things that I'm searching. For example, I don't find where to setup the login and logoff music. Bye Ambrogio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
xinitrc
Hello, Something that I do not understand xinit is supposed to use /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients (or .Xclients) but this script test the existence of: /etc/sysconfig/desktop but this file does not exists in fc10 !! It results that the variable DESKTOP is not taken into account !!! Am I correct ? Thank -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.2 update and sound
Il giorno dom, 22/02/2009 alle 10.56 +, Colin J Thomson - G6AVK ha scritto: > System sound options for notifications or the Video/Audio options are: > > System Settings > Notifications > System Settings > Multimedia Many tanks Ambrogio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xinitrc
Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Something that I do not understand > xinit is supposed to use /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients (or .Xclients) > but this script test the existence of: > /etc/sysconfig/desktop > > but this file does not exists in fc10 !! > > It results that the variable DESKTOP is not taken into account !!! > > /etc/sysconfig/desktop has not existed for several previous versions of Fedora before F10! If you need this file then create it - it only has two lines usually! You can copy it from an earlier working system if you like. It contains lines such as: DESKTOP="GNOME" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" or similar. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/xinitrc-tp22296995p22297359.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Logging from remote sources
Greetings; I, like many of you, am using an old x86 box as a router, running the x86 version of dd-wrt-sp1 from a cf card in that old box, no drives, just nics. So this question is directed at those using such equipment. dd-wrt has an option to send its logs to a remote address rather than keeping them in volatile memory, which it appears can only use about 320 of the 512megs in that old box. But it auto-rotates those logs at about 50k and only keep the previous one. So I've told it to use this machines ad.dr.es.s:514 I also have it mounting a samba share, but a startup script for dd-wrt that we cobbled up back in FC2 days, is apparently no longer working to allow that access, although dd-wrt says its mounted, with nearly 400GB of empty space showing on its status screen. I want to set up rsyslog on this machine to be a receiver, and log to a separate file, the data it should be capturing on port 514. Right now, it looks like a pretty good imitation of /dev/null. :) I have the manpages and docs installed for rsyslog, and they seem to contain nice examples of sending the logs someplace else, but nothing on the reverse, where it is to log from another source. Is there a tut on this someplace, or can someone advise me how to do this? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If you see an onion ring -- answer it! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch - slight hiccup!
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Mike Cloaked wrote:
> I have just updated some f10 boxes a few minutes ago. On logging on again
> after rebooting to the new kernel this evening, the main user directories
> have had their contexts changed to usr_t so I presume some kind of
> relabelling has been done - but not correctly! After restorecon -vR
> /home/user the contexts have mostly reverted to where they should be - I
> initially noticed because ssh suddenly started demanding a passphrase when
> it should not need one - and then I noted avc denials.
>
> This is for selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch and the related targeted
> policy.
>
> I have tested on several systems and so far all is well after doing
> restorecon -vR /home
> as root to fix all user areas in one go. Any one user can fix their own
> user area by doing restorecon -vR /home/user
> I presume that this will lose any chcon changes - but any contexts that were
> saved as a rule using semanage fcontext presumably should be restored -
> though I have not had time to explore all directories yet.
>
> This update was pushed to stable today so presumably it will take a while to
> sync to all mirrors.
This is very strange, I have no idea why SELinux update would do this,
and suspect that something else might have gone wrong. Were there other
packages in the update?
I will update my F10 and see what is going on.
Could be someone is doing a chcon -t usr_t in a post install script?
selinux-policy should only be doing the equivalent of a restorecon -vR
in its post install. Actually executes fixfiles
"fixfiles -C ${FILE_CONTEXT}.pre restore"
Which figures out what was different between the old file context and
the new and runs restorecon on them.
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Re: NM: the usual rant
Beartooth wrote: > On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:28:50 -0500, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >> I agree that whatever a process can send to a system log, for purposes >> of error output, the better. If a URL could be supplied by a log message >> pointing to a resource that can help explain the meaning of the exact >> error code, that would be a great help too, because it saves the >> technician's time in tracking down the error. >> >> Speaking as someone who fixes other people's computers for money, I >> wish that "regular users" of every flavor would get accustomed to >> looking at log messages. Or at least email them to me on request. Doing >> so could save both of us a lot of time and money. I wouldn't have to >> charge so much, and my time is conserved for focusing on the really >> tough issues. >> > [snipperoo] > > If that spelling of your surname means you're related to the > great Emory E Cochran who wrote a Practical German Review Grammar, then > Sir, you are a worthy descendant, and if there's an afterlife he must be > proud of you. Fine draftsmanship, fine voice of experience; I > congratulate you -- and hope you stay on the Fedora list. > Thanks for the compliment. I'm not related to Emory. I'm just a simple technician. I've been on the Fedora list for a long while and expect to remain on it. I've been somewhat undiplomatic at times but I eventually learned to shy away from flame wars and not get involved. The real satisfaction for me is often the learning process I go through when implementing the advice I'm given here by others, and I finish feeling one step closer to having expertise. Bob > > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xinitrc
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Mike Cloaked wrote: Patrick Dupre wrote: Something that I do not understand xinit is supposed to use /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients (or .Xclients) but this script test the existence of: /etc/sysconfig/desktop but this file does not exists in fc10 !! It results that the variable DESKTOP is not taken into account !!! /etc/sysconfig/desktop has not existed for several previous versions of Fedora before F10! If you need this file then create it - it only has two lines usually! You can copy it from an earlier working system if you like. It contains lines such as: DESKTOP="GNOME" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" or similar. Hi Mike, Thank, but I do not understand why this Xclients file has not been fixed in fedora 10 !! I do think that it is a similar bug that mess up gnome-session ! kde works fine, but as soon that I switch the gnome, the X session fails. Regards. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
xfce 4.6.0 for F9
xfce 4.6.0 has been announced, but it is a rather complicated package to build and install. Will xfce 4.6.0 be available as a Fedora 9 package? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch - slight hiccup!
Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > > This is very strange, I have no idea why SELinux update would do this, > and suspect that something else might have gone wrong. Were there other > packages in the update? > > I will update my F10 and see what is going on. > > Could be someone is doing a chcon -t usr_t in a post install script? > > I don't know but during the yum update the selinux-policy update produced a whole string of "*" chars on the terminal window during the update of that package (instead of the hashes between [] ), and there are lines in the /var/log/messages file afterwards with: Mar 2 19:49:25 home1 yum: Updated: selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch Mar 2 19:49:49 home1 dbus: avc: received policyload notice (seqno=2) Mar 2 19:49:49 home1 dbus: avc: received policyload notice (seqno=2) Maybe that is relevant - but I guess you will probe what is going on on your system. I also noticed that on some boxes only directories below /home were altered and on others /home itself was changed... very odd and a little un-nerving! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch---slight-hiccup%21-tp22296524p22297666.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: required "compat" packages to run 32-bit toolchain on x86_64?
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:33:47 -0500 (EST) Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i have an install of f10 x86_64 on which i'd like to install some > coldfire toolchains, but these appear to be 32-bit toolchains since > they complain about not finding the linker /lib/ld-linux.so.2. > > what is the required compatibility package(s) i need to install to > run 32-bit packages on this system now? thanks. > > the actual diagnostic when i try to run the cross-compiler program > is: > > "/lib/ld-linux.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or > directory." It is always difficult to guess which packages have which libraries, fortunately yum can look it up for you: yum install /lib/ld-linux.so.2 should download whatever rpm includes that file (almost certainly a 32 bit glibc in this particular case), then you just repeat until you don't get any more missing lib messages and eventually you have everything you need. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xinitrc
Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Thank, but I do not understand why this Xclients file has not been > fixed in fedora 10 !! > I do think that it is a similar bug that mess up gnome-session ! > kde works fine, but as soon that I switch the gnome, the X session > fails. > > I expect that if you did a clean install of F10 and not a yum upgrade from FC7 direct to F10 then maybe you would not see this problem at all! I have F10 running on 8 boxes all with clean installs, and this problem simply does not exist for me! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/xinitrc-tp22296995p22297723.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Logging from remote sources
Gene Heskett wrote: > I want to set up rsyslog on this machine to be a receiver, and log to a > separate file, the data it should be capturing on port 514. Right now, it > looks like a pretty good imitation of /dev/null. :) > > I have the manpages and docs installed for rsyslog, and they seem to contain > nice examples of sending the logs someplace else, but nothing on the reverse, > where it is to log from another source. Well, I just had a look at the man pages and conf files and found this: # Provides UDP syslog reception #$ModLoad imudp.so #$UDPServerRun 514 # Provides TCP syslog reception #$ModLoad imtcp.so #$InputTCPServerRun 514 which appears to be what you have to uncomment to receive messages. Do you want to receive TCP or UDP? Try to understand if data is coming to your machine with tcpdump -i eth0 -n -n and do not forget to make a hole in the firewall to avoid discarding these packets. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch - slight hiccup!
Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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Hash: SHA1
Mike Cloaked wrote:
I have just updated some f10 boxes a few minutes ago. On logging on again
after rebooting to the new kernel this evening, the main user directories
have had their contexts changed to usr_t so I presume some kind of
relabelling has been done - but not correctly! After restorecon -vR
/home/user the contexts have mostly reverted to where they should be - I
initially noticed because ssh suddenly started demanding a passphrase when
it should not need one - and then I noted avc denials.
This is for selinux-policy-3.5.13-46.fc10.noarch and the related targeted
policy.
I have tested on several systems and so far all is well after doing
restorecon -vR /home
as root to fix all user areas in one go. Any one user can fix their own
user area by doing restorecon -vR /home/user
I presume that this will lose any chcon changes - but any contexts that were
saved as a rule using semanage fcontext presumably should be restored -
though I have not had time to explore all directories yet.
This update was pushed to stable today so presumably it will take a while to
sync to all mirrors.
This is very strange, I have no idea why SELinux update would do this,
and suspect that something else might have gone wrong. Were there other
packages in the update?
I will update my F10 and see what is going on.
Could be someone is doing a chcon -t usr_t in a post install script?
selinux-policy should only be doing the equivalent of a restorecon -vR
in its post install. Actually executes fixfiles
"fixfiles -C ${FILE_CONTEXT}.pre restore"
Which figures out what was different between the old file context and
the new and runs restorecon on them.
Yes, but if the new context list contains an incorrect setting (usr_t
instead of user_home_dir_t), then restorecon is going to set the usr_t
context. After all, restorecon doesn't have that stuff compiled in, it
reads it from the control file.
That being said, I've got an "exclude=selinux-policy-targeted*" in my
yum configs until this is fixed.
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startx -- :1
Hello, In the past I was able to start several X sessions by using startx -- :1 etc.. Now in fedora 10 it just freeze the display and their is not other way to get ride of this situation is to reboot the machine from the switch !! -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
pidgin startup data
Anyone know where pidgin startup data is kept? Ever since a forceful shutdown of one of my NFS clients pidgin refuses to start correctly. I can see pidgin is running from ps(1) but it never opens the intial window onscreen. I can hear the tones when a buddy logs in or out and when they initiate an IM connection the IM window opens on screen. I assume pidgin stores state as to where the main window was last located and it somehow is now off screen. Where is this info stored, I'd like to try zapping it and recreating it. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:53:51 -0500 Dave Feustel wrote: > xfce 4.6.0 has been announced, but it is a rather complicated package > to build and install. Will xfce 4.6.0 be available as a Fedora 9 > package? Pretty unlikely. I'm not sure all the dependencies are available there, and its a pretty intrusive change for a stable release (something like 60 packages would need to update with all the plugins, etc) We are still thinking about F10 as well. > > Thanks. > kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin startup data
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Anyone know where pidgin startup data is kept? Ever since a forceful shutdown of one of my NFS clients pidgin refuses to start correctly. I can see pidgin is running from ps(1) but it never opens the intial window onscreen. I can hear the tones when a buddy logs in or out and when they initiate an IM connection the IM window opens on screen. I assume pidgin stores state as to where the main window was last located and it somehow is now off screen. Where is this info stored, I'd like to try zapping it and recreating it. I believe you'll find all that in ~/.purple -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do - - in it.- - -- WC. Fields - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin startup data
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 14:17 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Anyone know where pidgin startup data is kept? Ever since a forceful > shutdown of one of my NFS clients pidgin refuses to start correctly. I > can see pidgin is running from ps(1) but it never opens the intial > window onscreen. I can hear the tones when a buddy logs in or out and > when they initiate an IM connection the IM window opens on screen. > > I assume pidgin stores state as to where the main window was last > located and it somehow is now off screen. Where is this info stored, > I'd like to try zapping it and recreating it. Pidgin keeps a 'system tray' icon and you can click on it to 'restore' the login/status windows. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
Matthew Flaschen wrote: > I agree that it's great if users look at logs and send them to > technicians when appropriate. My point is just that if they don't > understand them, don't want to look them up, and don't want to report > the issue to someone who will, then they should just ignore the logs and > stop complaining. You seem to have a bizarre view of Linux. To my mind Linux, and in particular Fedora, is about learning, not about sending problems to "technicians". If I shared your view I would use another operating system. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
Apologies are in order it seems. I had my mail settings set to Mail in HTML, but reply in format received. Since I was receiving plain text, my replies were also plain text. Must have forgotten to change the settings last time I re-installed. (Not suppressing when it takes a working week to install and configure all the applications on this machine). Regards Dave - Original Message - From: "Kevin J. Cummings" To: "Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora." Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Swap file size? Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: Patrick, Did you mean me when you said to stop sending HTML? My mail client is set to plain text, and the source of my messages shows as plain text when I receive them back, so I assume this was either a standard or accidental comment. Let me know if you know something I don't. Dave, Your original email rendered as HTML in my mail reader. Your follow-up came through as plain text. Perhaps Patrick saw the same thing I did Regards Dave From your original email: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===1736732413== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from = 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 = automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? Thanks Dave --=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found some more memory modules to add = to my test=20 box, taking it from 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file = is 512MB. Does=20 Fedora Core 10 automatically change the size of the swap file or do I = have to=20 tinker? Thanks Dave --=_NextPart_000_004D_01C99B1B.A3526C80-- -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
Thanks for that information everyone. I think we're in business for now. Regards Dave - Original Message - From: "Konstantin Svist" To: "Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora." Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Swap file size? Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: I found some more memory modules to add to my test box, taking it from 256MB to 896MB. I notice the swap file is 512MB. Does Fedora Core 10 automatically change the size of the swap file or do I have to tinker? Thanks Dave See how much memory you use normally. If all programs you run fit in RAM (which is often the case), you'll be fine. In fact, in this case, tweaking swap size won't do anything for you. You'll only have problems if you try to use more than RAM+swap. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Swap file size?
2009/3/2 Dave Bolt IT Solutions : > Apologies are in order it seems. > I had my mail settings set to Mail in HTML, but reply in format received. > Since I was receiving plain text, my replies were also plain text. > Must have forgotten to change the settings last time I re-installed. (Not > suppressing when it takes a working week to install and configure all the > applications on this machine). Have you heard of Kickstart? It's quite good for installing machines and a good %post section could configure all your applications... probably in less than a week... -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:53:51 -0500 Dave Feustel wrote: xfce 4.6.0 has been announced, but it is a rather complicated package to build and install. Will xfce 4.6.0 be available as a Fedora 9 package? Pretty unlikely. I'm not sure all the dependencies are available there, and its a pretty intrusive change for a stable release (something like 60 packages would need to update with all the plugins, etc) We are still thinking about F10 as well. Thanks. kevin kevin is it major surgery to build xfce 4.6 in F10? as i've literally just finished downloading the full source tarball, (and the graphical installer in case i came up against to much problems lol) and if it's going to be a major hassle i'll just pass for now as my aspire one is running pretty sweet and i don't want to rock the boat, also if your going to build it for F10 i can wait for that ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin startup data
Rick Stevens writes: > I believe you'll find all that in ~/.purple Thanks! Now I'm not sure they could have made that any harder to find. Purple? Purple -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin startup data
Craig White writes: > Pidgin keeps a 'system tray' icon and you can click on it to 'restore' > the login/status windows. Strangely, not in this case. There is no pidgin icon in either the bottom tray (or the top one). Ditto for alternate desktops. At first I thought pidgin wasn't running because of that but ps showed it indeed was. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:42:25 + phil wrote: > kevin is it major surgery to build xfce 4.6 in F10? as i've literally > just finished downloading the full source tarball, (and the graphical > installer in case i came up against to much problems lol) and if it's > going to be a major hassle i'll just pass for now as my aspire one is > running pretty sweet and i don't want to rock the boat, also if your > going to build it for F10 i can wait for that ;) F10 shouldn't be too bad. I do have a local repo here, but I haven't updated it yet to the 4.6.0 final packages. Also, I haven't tried to rebuild all the plugins for F10. I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to test them? > phil kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin startup data
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 14:54 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Craig White writes: > > Pidgin keeps a 'system tray' icon and you can click on it to 'restore' > > the login/status windows. > > Strangely, not in this case. There is no pidgin icon in either the > bottom tray (or the top one). Ditto for alternate desktops. At first I > thought pidgin wasn't running because of that but ps showed it indeed > was. I suspect that you are referring to panels (top and bottom) but not status/system trays which in KDE is a separate widget. I don't know about GNOME because I never use it but it probably is an optional item in a panel. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: something about themes and widget
Ambrogio wrote: > The theme Arezzo is very beautiful. You should probably report the bug to the author, hopefully he/she can fix it. > I don't remember my theme before the upgrade to 4.2 but after the > upgrade my desktop was very different from before. The Oxygen look was changed significantly between 4.1 and 4.2. > Tnx Kevin for pointing me to the default theme. FYI, Oxygen is the real default (and the default in Fedora), Aya is used as the default in several other distributions (e.g. openSUSE) because it uses your application color scheme (Oxygen uses its own). Both are included with KDE and thus expected to always work. > Kde4 is new for me and I don't ever find things that I'm searching. > > For example, I don't find where to setup the login and logoff music. System Settings / Appearance & Behavior: Notifications / System Notifications / Source: KDE system notifications Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to > test them? > >> phil > > kevin > I would also be willing to test. FRank -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM: the usual rant
Timothy Murphy wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > > >> I agree that it's great if users look at logs and send them to >> technicians when appropriate. My point is just that if they don't >> understand them, don't want to look them up, and don't want to report >> the issue to someone who will, then they should just ignore the logs and >> stop complaining. >> > > You seem to have a bizarre view of Linux. > To my mind Linux, and in particular Fedora, is about learning, > not about sending problems to "technicians". > > If I shared your view I would use another operating system. > > So, are you saying that (in your mind) Linux is only for people who wish to learn about the O/S? So, it shouldn't be used by an end-user that just wants a system to work? An end-user that doesn't want or care what a "colonel" is or thinks that application is what you do to deodorants? So, I really should tell my 86yr old dad to stop using Linux? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: startx -- :1
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, In the past I was able to start several X sessions by using startx -- :1 etc.. Now in fedora 10 it just freeze the display and their is not other way to get ride of this situation is to reboot the machine from the switch !! THis problem may be specific to the machine which exhibits problem when startx in user mode ! -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin startup data
Craig White writes: > I suspect that you are referring to panels (top and bottom) but not > status/system trays which in KDE is a separate widget. I don't know > about GNOME because I never use it but it probably is an optional item > in a panel. There is an area on the lower gnome panel that icons for unmapped (in the X sense) programs tend to show up in. All the programs other than pidgin were indeed there. It did turn out to be a problem with the state stored in ~/.purple . Moving that directory aside caused pidgin to appear onscreen again the next time I started it. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.full-steam.org/ (ipv6-only) You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
