Re: Importfilter for MS-Works files (*.wps)

[Joachim Backes]

Mike Burger wrote:
> Unfortunately, OpenOffice is not always capable of opening up Microsoft
> Works files.

Exactly this happened with my .wps file, so Mengs proposal is not
applicable.

JB
> 
> Meng Qiu wrote:
>> Why not install OpenOffice in your F10?
>> Then, you can do anything.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:11 AM, R. G. Newbury > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >does somebody know how to process MS-Works files (...wps) by
>> OpenOffice
>> >or some other tool in F10?
>>
>> I had a client send me a file in this format. I eventually googled
>> something like '.wps to .odt' and found a website which will do a
>> translation. You send the file, they email back in the new format.
>> Sorry, I didn't keep the URL.
>>
>> Geoff
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Re: Importfilter for MS-Works files (*.wps)

[Joachim Backes]

Mike Burger wrote:
> Unfortunately, OpenOffice is not always capable of opening up Microsoft
> Works files.

Exactly this happended with my .wps file, so Meng Qius proposal is not
applicable.

JB
> 
> Meng Qiu wrote:
>> Why not install OpenOffice in your F10?
>> Then, you can do anything.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:11 AM, R. G. Newbury > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >does somebody know how to process MS-Works files (...wps) by
>> OpenOffice
>> >or some other tool in F10?
>>
>> I had a client send me a file in this format. I eventually googled
>> something like '.wps to .odt' and found a website which will do a
>> translation. You send the file, they email back in the new format.
>> Sorry, I didn't keep the URL.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
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Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Brian Mury]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 17:29 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> That helps. I am concerned that if I grab a USB model it may need propietary
> drivers to use.

I have a Logitech USB headset which I use with Skype. I plugged it in,
told Skype to use it, and it worked. I didn't have to install or
configure anything (other than telling Skype which sound device to use).

The model I have is the ClearChat Comfort USB: http://tinyurl.com/3xtyse

I have Skype set to "Logitech USB Headset (hw:Headset,0)" for sound in
and out, and set to "pulse" for ringing. This way incoming calls ring on
my desktop speakers (via pulseaudio), while the audio for the call
itself goes through the headset (not via pulseaudio). I did try using
pulseaudio for the headset, sound out is fine but I can't get sound in
to work. I haven't spent much time trying to solve it because it works
fine the way I have it set up.

> (Previously the output volume was too low with no way to raise it enough in
> applications to hear clearly and boosting stuff in pulseaudio was producing a
> lot of noise.)

That sounds like the same behaviour I am seeing. Care to elaborate on
how you fixed it?


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Re: Importfilter for MS-Works files (*.wps)

[Mike Burger]

Unfortunately, OpenOffice is not always capable of opening up Microsoft
Works files.

Meng Qiu wrote:
> Why not install OpenOffice in your F10?
> Then, you can do anything.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:11 AM, R. G. Newbury  > wrote:
>
>
> >does somebody know how to process MS-Works files (...wps) by
> OpenOffice
> >or some other tool in F10?
>
> I had a client send me a file in this format. I eventually googled
> something like '.wps to .odt' and found a website which will do a
> translation. You send the file, they email back in the new format.
> Sorry, I didn't keep the URL.
>
> Geoff
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Re: Church sound

[Craig White]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 21:53 -0500, David Miller wrote:
> Tim wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 21:27 -0500, David Miller wrote:
> >   
> >> I see several packages that will record but I don't want to have a
> >> 700M file.  Is there a package that will break the recording into,
> >> lets say, 10min files and then be able to burn those to CD as audio
> >> tracks with zero time between tracks.
> >> 
> >
> > I've used software that can automatically break a large audio file up
> > into several smaller ones.  Though I suspect that's not going to work
> > well with speech, as it may think momentary pauses in speech are good
> > break points, whereas a human might break at more sensible moments
> > (change in topics, activities, etc.).
> >
> > I've used Audacity for live recordings of sound, hitting stop and then
> > record between things.  That's one way of doing what you want.
> >
> > But if you want to pay attention to what you're recording, and not get
> > distracted by recording it, then recording it as one slab then editing
> > afterwards is the better approach.  Again, Audacity is quite good for
> > that task.
> >
> >   
> >> At some point later I would like to get a camera and start doing video
> >> recording of the service and place of DVD.
> >> 
> >
> > I'd suggest getting a HDD+DVD recorder, record to hard drive, break the
> > recording into chapters after filming, then burn off a DVD.  It's then
> > an easy job to replicate that DVD, either burning off another copy from
> > the hard drive on the same unit, or copying the DVD on computer.
> >
> > I've got a Sony RDR-HXD590 HDD+DVD recorder which makes that sort of
> > thing relatively painless.  We've used it for recording concerts, and
> > chaptering the different acts.  And it seems to be one of the few that
> > creates fairly error-free discs.  I don't just mean discs that play
> > well, I mean ones that aren't full of masses DVD technical errors that
> > make duplication, or even playing, discs difficult on other decks.
> >
> > I find stand-alone recording equipment to be generally a lot less
> > annoying that computerised video equipment.  Professional video
> > production is my career, and this is the easiest way to go, for low/no
> > budget productions, in my experience.  If you go the whole hog, you can
> > easily spend hours and hours in post production, for no tangible
> > improvement for the type of job you outline.
> >
> >   
> >> In both cases the church is also talking about putting streaming audio
> >> or streaming video on their web site.
> >> 
> >
> > Might be worth looking at some of the youtube tutorials.  The same
> > things will apply for preparing video for your own website as theirs.
> >
> >   
> Well I have used Audacity for 3-10 min recordings in the past but not 
> for hour long recordings. I have never had a problem with my FC7 machine 
> here at home.  The FC10 machine that I threw together for this has the 
> same MSI mother board that I have in my FC7 machine. We are only going 
> to do audio at the moment and, I hope in the near future we will start 
> doing some sort of video.  I put this machine together and loaded FC10 
> Sat. and verified that sound worked, didn't have time to do much 
> testing.  Took the machine to the church this morning and did the 
> recording. I was disappointed with the results this first week.  There 
> was a high pitched hiss throughout the recording.  I don't know what to 
> make of it yet.  I am taking the sound directly from our 32 channel 
> audio mixer. Not the right sound for a ground loop. We have about a 6 
> foot unbalanced cable that goes from the board then splits into the tape 
> deck and the computer. Less than a foot from the split to each. The tape 
> doesn't have it but it may not be able to reproduce it very well.  Using 
> the built in sound of the mother board.

If it's a hum at a fixed frequency, audacity should be able to filter it
out but I would gather that it would be useful to monitor with
headphones all the way through the computer to see where it's coming
from.

Craig

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Re: Church sound

[jdow]

From: "David Miller" 
Sent: Sunday, 2009, March 15 19:53
  
Well I have used Audacity for 3-10 min recordings in the past but not 
for hour long recordings. I have never had a problem with my FC7 machine 
here at home.  The FC10 machine that I threw together for this has the 
same MSI mother board that I have in my FC7 machine. We are only going 
to do audio at the moment and, I hope in the near future we will start 
doing some sort of video.  I put this machine together and loaded FC10 
Sat. and verified that sound worked, didn't have time to do much 
testing.  Took the machine to the church this morning and did the 
recording. I was disappointed with the results this first week.  There 
was a high pitched hiss throughout the recording.  I don't know what to 
make of it yet.  I am taking the sound directly from our 32 channel 
audio mixer. Not the right sound for a ground loop. We have about a 6 
foot unbalanced cable that goes from the board then splits into the tape 
deck and the computer. Less than a foot from the split to each. The tape 
doesn't have it but it may not be able to reproduce it very well.  Using 
the built in sound of the mother board.


Ouch, there probably is something worse you could use; but, I'll be
jiggered if I know what. A decent sound card like a Turtle Beach
Santa Cruz would be better. (Or even better yet would be some of the
MOTU stuff - if you can find drivers.) Motherboard sound picks up all
manner of noise from the circuitry around it. The plugin cards have a
better chance of a clean signal. And an external sound arrangement
such as a MOTU 828 Mk 3 can give exceptionally good sound. But that's
an expensive arrangement. {o.o}

Note that there is an input level mismatch between PC sound cards and
professional mixers. You might stick in a 12 dB or so attenuator in
the feed to the PC. And be VERY sure you are using line in rather than
microphone in.

If I had to make a guess your budget is not sufficient to do the job
adequately if you are thinking of fighting motherboard sound. You can
expect sound synchronization problems and noise at the very least.
You'll have to resample the sound in editing for your video to get good
synchronization over an hour or so.

(The budget for the sort of toys I work with is closer to the $10k to
$25k range. So I won't try to sell you anything, especially here. {^_-})

{^_^}   Joanne

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Re: Swap partition moved -> resume broken

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi Tim,

> Make a new initrd, that's where it's set.  If you don't know how, ask
> the list again.

Are you sure?
I always thought its passed by a kernel-parameter.
Also the bootloader is re-written to automatically start the
hibernated system once.

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Re: Church sound

[jdow]

From: "Tim" 
Sent: Sunday, 2009, March 15 12:02



On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 11:02 -0700, jdow wrote:



That's a good way to capture your edit source, too, if you record 420
or better. But that uses a lot of disk fast if you are trying to do HD.
Of course, HD is not "zero budget" so I presume you're using SD. For
NTSC that bogeys out to about 2.5 megabytes an hour for 422 video plus
some modest amount for the audio.


I think you mean gigabytes...  And truly high-def does that in minutes,


 Indeed I do. And at 4 megabytes per frame 1080i 30M 422 gets you
into gigabytes rather rapidly. It can even challenge the speed of your
disks. Some compression can make a whole lot of difference. {^_-}


not hours.  And therein lay another problem with using a computer:  Hard
drives fill up very rapidly with video data.  You want a whopping great
big one to accommodate recording *and* editing.  And even bigger if
you're likely to leave last weeks recording on file to be worked on next
week.


That's what very large RAID arrays are for. (And there are people working
with quad HD now = 3840 wide 2016 high. That's a LOT of video! Motion
JPEG2 seems to be the preferred compression for theatrical use. For mere
broadcast at 1080i you have to get down to data rates not really
adequate for uncompressed SD. So you can guess what that does to the
video quality on scenes that move rapidly. {^_-})


Unless you have a need for HD, and a means a way to give your viewers HD
on a format that they can watch in HD (which precludes ordinary DVDs),
then there's little point to it.  Sure, if you have a special occasion
that you want to archive for posterity, do it.  But ordinarily, for
simple video production, keep everything in the same format (same
definition input, recording, any editing, and duplications).


Um, I have something that can capture digital video and audio quite
nicely in HD mpeg2 etc presuming they come at proper studio synchronized
rates. But I rather suspect it is outside the original poster's price
range. (It can also playback up to four streams while recording a fifth.
It can't quite manage 2x4, I suspect. I've never tried. It might. The
computer and special video card are both barn-burners. I'd only worry
seriously about bus bandwidth.)

{^_^}

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Re: Church sound

[David Miller]

Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 21:27 -0500, David Miller wrote:
  

I see several packages that will record but I don't want to have a
700M file.  Is there a package that will break the recording into,
lets say, 10min files and then be able to burn those to CD as audio
tracks with zero time between tracks.



I've used software that can automatically break a large audio file up
into several smaller ones.  Though I suspect that's not going to work
well with speech, as it may think momentary pauses in speech are good
break points, whereas a human might break at more sensible moments
(change in topics, activities, etc.).

I've used Audacity for live recordings of sound, hitting stop and then
record between things.  That's one way of doing what you want.

But if you want to pay attention to what you're recording, and not get
distracted by recording it, then recording it as one slab then editing
afterwards is the better approach.  Again, Audacity is quite good for
that task.

  

At some point later I would like to get a camera and start doing video
recording of the service and place of DVD.



I'd suggest getting a HDD+DVD recorder, record to hard drive, break the
recording into chapters after filming, then burn off a DVD.  It's then
an easy job to replicate that DVD, either burning off another copy from
the hard drive on the same unit, or copying the DVD on computer.

I've got a Sony RDR-HXD590 HDD+DVD recorder which makes that sort of
thing relatively painless.  We've used it for recording concerts, and
chaptering the different acts.  And it seems to be one of the few that
creates fairly error-free discs.  I don't just mean discs that play
well, I mean ones that aren't full of masses DVD technical errors that
make duplication, or even playing, discs difficult on other decks.

I find stand-alone recording equipment to be generally a lot less
annoying that computerised video equipment.  Professional video
production is my career, and this is the easiest way to go, for low/no
budget productions, in my experience.  If you go the whole hog, you can
easily spend hours and hours in post production, for no tangible
improvement for the type of job you outline.

  

In both cases the church is also talking about putting streaming audio
or streaming video on their web site.



Might be worth looking at some of the youtube tutorials.  The same
things will apply for preparing video for your own website as theirs.

  
Well I have used Audacity for 3-10 min recordings in the past but not 
for hour long recordings. I have never had a problem with my FC7 machine 
here at home.  The FC10 machine that I threw together for this has the 
same MSI mother board that I have in my FC7 machine. We are only going 
to do audio at the moment and, I hope in the near future we will start 
doing some sort of video.  I put this machine together and loaded FC10 
Sat. and verified that sound worked, didn't have time to do much 
testing.  Took the machine to the church this morning and did the 
recording. I was disappointed with the results this first week.  There 
was a high pitched hiss throughout the recording.  I don't know what to 
make of it yet.  I am taking the sound directly from our 32 channel 
audio mixer. Not the right sound for a ground loop. We have about a 6 
foot unbalanced cable that goes from the board then splits into the tape 
deck and the computer. Less than a foot from the split to each. The tape 
doesn't have it but it may not be able to reproduce it very well.  Using 
the built in sound of the mother board.


David

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Re: Importfilter for MS-Works files (*.wps)

[Meng Qiu]

Why not install OpenOffice in your F10?
Then, you can do anything.



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:11 AM, R. G. Newbury  wrote:

>
> >does somebody know how to process MS-Works files (...wps) by OpenOffice
> >or some other tool in F10?
>
> I had a client send me a file in this format. I eventually googled
> something like '.wps to .odt' and found a website which will do a
> translation. You send the file, they email back in the new format. Sorry, I
> didn't keep the URL.
>
> Geoff
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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 10:17 +1030, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> >> Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client.
> 
> Patrick O'Callaghan:
> > How did you measure this and what did you compare it with?
> 
> Several minutes versus hardly noticeable seconds is easy to measure the
> difference.  And, Evolution since the Red Hat Linux days up to Fedora 9,
> versus every other mail client I've ever tried.

I meant how do you know the time is spent filtering (rather than say
polling the server or downloading mail)? I have a fairly long list of
filters (all of them either move mail to folders or just throw it away)
and have never noticed them taking any time at all. However I poll my
mail servers automatically at fixed intervals, so how would I know?

poc

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Re: Unable to boot Live Fedora on a USB flash drive

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Stewart Williams
 wrote:
> I am trying to create a LiveUSB drive using a 2GB USB flash drive, but
> I'm being unsuccessful for some reason.
>
> Ideally I was hoping to create one based on Omega-10, but I get the same
> problems with Fedora.
>
> Here's what I have tried:
>
> 1. Creating a LiveCD from omega-10-desktop.iso and boot it (which works
> fine).
> Plug in USB stick, fdisk it as one partition, type 6 (fat 16) then
> format it by running 'mkfs.msdos -F 16 -n usbdisk /dev/sdg1'
> As root running 'livecd-iso-to-disk /dev/live /dev/sdg1'
> Seems to complete without error
>
> 2. Boot Fedora 9 install on my desktop and prepare the USB stick as above
> Run liveusb-creator GUI and select /dev/sdg1 as target, and
> omega-10-desktop.iso as source (Also tried F10-Live-i686.iso as source)
> Completes without error
>
> However when I try and boot of the stick either by physically booting
> using the BIOS or testing with QEMU I get the following errors:
>
> Running 'qemu -hda /dev/sdg -m 256 -std-vga' or booting using a physical
> PC I get a garbled prompt
>
> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?07644a5805.png
>
> Running 'qemu -hda /dev/sdg1 -m 256 -std-vga' I get an error stating
> that it can find the root filesystem
>
> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?159f02408f.png
>
> Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?
>
> Many Thanks.

It looks like in the first case it doesn't like the MBR. I get
something similar when I leave my iPod connected to my work laptop on
reboot. One thing, not all usb sticks like all BIOS's. It could be the
stick, it could be your BIOS, no good way to tell that I know of.

Richard

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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Tim]

Tim:
>> Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client.

Patrick O'Callaghan:
> How did you measure this and what did you compare it with?

Several minutes versus hardly noticeable seconds is easy to measure the
difference.  And, Evolution since the Red Hat Linux days up to Fedora 9,
versus every other mail client I've ever tried.

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Re: Swap partition moved -> resume broken

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:23 -0400, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
> However I don't know howto get resume from disk working again.
> It seems the old UID is still passed to the kernel on resume, which
> can't find it and continues with a normal boot :-/
>
> Any idea howto solve that?

Make a new initrd, that's where it's set.  If you don't know how, ask
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Swap partition moved -> resume broken

[Clemens Eisserer]

Hi,

Recently I moved my swap parition a bit, it seems this caused the UID to change.
I simply changed /etc/fstab and replaced the UID value with /dev/sda2
which worked well.

However I don't know howto get resume from disk working again.
It seems the old UID is still passed to the kernel on resume, which
can't find it and continues with a normal boot :-/

Any idea howto solve that?

Thank you in advamce, Clemens

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Unable to boot Live Fedora on a USB flash drive

[Stewart Williams]

I am trying to create a LiveUSB drive using a 2GB USB flash drive, but
I'm being unsuccessful for some reason.

Ideally I was hoping to create one based on Omega-10, but I get the same
problems with Fedora.

Here's what I have tried:

1. Creating a LiveCD from omega-10-desktop.iso and boot it (which works
fine).
Plug in USB stick, fdisk it as one partition, type 6 (fat 16) then
format it by running 'mkfs.msdos -F 16 -n usbdisk /dev/sdg1'
As root running 'livecd-iso-to-disk /dev/live /dev/sdg1'
Seems to complete without error

2. Boot Fedora 9 install on my desktop and prepare the USB stick as above
Run liveusb-creator GUI and select /dev/sdg1 as target, and
omega-10-desktop.iso as source (Also tried F10-Live-i686.iso as source)
Completes without error

However when I try and boot of the stick either by physically booting
using the BIOS or testing with QEMU I get the following errors:

Running 'qemu -hda /dev/sdg -m 256 -std-vga' or booting using a physical
PC I get a garbled prompt

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?07644a5805.png

Running 'qemu -hda /dev/sdg1 -m 256 -std-vga' I get an error stating
that it can find the root filesystem

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?159f02408f.png

Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?

Many Thanks.


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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 01:37 +1030, Tim wrote:
> Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client.

How did you measure this and what did you compare it with?

poc

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Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Dave Feustel]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 05:29:04PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 22:15:16 +,
>   Dave Feustel  wrote:
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I threw out all the packaging after I determined that it
> > works. They cost $39 and have builtin headphone and mic volume controls.
> > There is also a USB adaptor, but I have not been able to get that to
> > work with skype. In fact, I had to plug the mic plug directly into the
> > mic jack at the rear of the computer to get the mic to work with skype.
> > I also had to remove pulseaudio modules to be able to adjust the volume.
> > With pulseaudio gone alsamixer seems to work well.
> 
> That helps. I am concerned that if I grab a USB model it may need propietary
> drivers to use. It seems like they have some inexpensive models that
> connect directly to a sound card and have cord lengths that will work.
> The USB models would be a bit more flexible if they actually work.

The USB adaptor for this headset is a small, separate module which is
not reqyired to use the headset with Fedora. It is advertised to work with 
Windows.
I'll try it out next time I go to the library.

> I have pulseaudio working OK in rawhide. There was an issue with ALSA
> volume controls still being relevant, but with no obvious way to access
> them. I finally found a command line tool that let me set the volume
> for ALSA to something reasonable and I can now control things in applications.
> (Previously the output volume was too low with no way to raise it enough in
> applications to hear clearly and boosting stuff in pulseaudio was producing a
> lot of noise.)

I had the volume problem too, but it seems to have gone away.

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Re: Adding a new graphics card and Fedora 10?

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 13:43 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> Tim-163 wrote

Hmm, I don't see no numbers on me...   ;-)

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Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 22:15:16 +,
  Dave Feustel  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, I threw out all the packaging after I determined that it
> works. They cost $39 and have builtin headphone and mic volume controls.
> There is also a USB adaptor, but I have not been able to get that to
> work with skype. In fact, I had to plug the mic plug directly into the
> mic jack at the rear of the computer to get the mic to work with skype.
> I also had to remove pulseaudio modules to be able to adjust the volume.
> With pulseaudio gone alsamixer seems to work well.

That helps. I am concerned that if I grab a USB model it may need propietary
drivers to use. It seems like they have some inexpensive models that
connect directly to a sound card and have cord lengths that will work.
The USB models would be a bit more flexible if they actually work.

I have pulseaudio working OK in rawhide. There was an issue with ALSA
volume controls still being relevant, but with no obvious way to access
them. I finally found a command line tool that let me set the volume
for ALSA to something reasonable and I can now control things in applications.
(Previously the output volume was too low with no way to raise it enough in
applications to hear clearly and boosting stuff in pulseaudio was producing a
lot of noise.)

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Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Dave Feustel]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 04:55:34PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 17:00:04 -0400,
>   Dave Feustel  wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:16:44PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > I am looking for recommendations for headsets that will work with Fedora
> > > without using propietary drivers (and prefer ones that are in the distro).
> > > My main concern is using them for voice communication. I will listen to
> > > music on them as well, but I am not a very discriminating music listener 
> > > and
> > > would prefer less expensive to high fidelity.
> > > 
> > > I was hoping to find some recommendations on the Fedora Talk page (perhaps
> > > in the FAQ), but didn't see anything there.
> > 
> > I can recommend the Plantronics headset which I bought from Best Buy.
> > Works great with Skype (my reason for buying them) and for general
> > audio.
> 
> Thanks. Can you tell me which model it is?

Unfortunately, I threw out all the packaging after I determined that it
works. They cost $39 and have builtin headphone and mic volume controls.
There is also a USB adaptor, but I have not been able to get that to
work with skype. In fact, I had to plug the mic plug directly into the
mic jack at the rear of the computer to get the mic to work with skype.
I also had to remove pulseaudio modules to be able to adjust the volume.
With pulseaudio gone alsamixer seems to work well.

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Importfilter for MS-Works files (*.wps)

[R. G. Newbury]

>does somebody know how to process MS-Works files (...wps) by OpenOffice
>or some other tool in F10?

I had a client send me a file in this format. I eventually googled 
something like '.wps to .odt' and found a website which will do a 
translation. You send the file, they email back in the new format. 
Sorry, I didn't keep the URL.


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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Mike Cloaked]

Beartooth Sciurivore wrote:
> 
> 
>   OK, I'll try -- and if I can handle it, anyone can. Where is that 
> default, and how do I change it??
> 
> 

I am not where in Fedora the login manager is set to the default so that an
install gives kdm - but if you want to switch from gdm after the install,
and use it then you can create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop and put into it
lines like the following:
DESKTOP="GNOME"
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
The latter sets kdm to be the login manager.  If you restart X then first
time you try to login you need to select which desktop session type you want
- and then it becomes your default on that machine.  

You can edit the config files ( in /etc/kde/kdm ) yourself but it is easier
to login to kde and then use the graphical settings system to change things.

I guess that if you are spinning an iso and wanted kdm to be the default
then you would have to alter a source file somewhere but I have not delved
into that.
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Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 17:00:04 -0400,
  Dave Feustel  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:16:44PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > I am looking for recommendations for headsets that will work with Fedora
> > without using propietary drivers (and prefer ones that are in the distro).
> > My main concern is using them for voice communication. I will listen to
> > music on them as well, but I am not a very discriminating music listener and
> > would prefer less expensive to high fidelity.
> > 
> > I was hoping to find some recommendations on the Fedora Talk page (perhaps
> > in the FAQ), but didn't see anything there.
> 
> I can recommend the Plantronics headset which I bought from Best Buy.
> Works great with Skype (my reason for buying them) and for general
> audio.

Thanks. Can you tell me which model it is?

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Re: Fedora splash screen ??

[Todd Zullinger]

William Case wrote:
> That got rid of it.

:)

> I was going to say I wish they would stop moving things around, but
> I don't really.  I think putting more and more stuff into gconf IS a
> good thing.  I just didn't think of looking there.

I'm sure that key was there for a long time.  All that happened is the
GUI that used to toggle it was removed.  But the default is false, so
you'd either have to have an older gnome config that you carried over
or someone/something had to use gconf to toggle the setting to true.

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Re: Fedora splash screen ??

[William Case]

Again thanks Tod;

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 17:03 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > Yes, I still see it -- if we are talking about the same thing.
> 
> I think we are.  Thanks for clarifying that.
> 
> See if the gconf key /apps/gnome-session/options/show_splash_screen is
> set.  It's not on my system.

That got rid of it.  I was going to say I wish they would stop moving
things around, but I don't really.  I think putting more and more stuff
into gconf IS a good thing.  I just didn't think of looking there.
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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Beartooth]

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:43:38 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:

>>   Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure
>> and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.
 
> I switched to kdm for F10 even though I use gnome - I did not like the
> way gdm looked or the lack of configurability. I was used to kdm since I
> was a long time kde user until recently.

OK, I'll try -- and if I can handle it, anyone can. Where is that 
default, and how do I change it??

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Re: Fedora splash screen ??

[Todd Zullinger]

William Case wrote:
> Yes, I still see it -- if we are talking about the same thing.

I think we are.  Thanks for clarifying that.

See if the gconf key /apps/gnome-session/options/show_splash_screen is
set.  It's not on my system.

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Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Dave Feustel]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:16:44PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I am looking for recommendations for headsets that will work with Fedora
> without using propietary drivers (and prefer ones that are in the distro).
> My main concern is using them for voice communication. I will listen to
> music on them as well, but I am not a very discriminating music listener and
> would prefer less expensive to high fidelity.
> 
> I was hoping to find some recommendations on the Fedora Talk page (perhaps
> in the FAQ), but didn't see anything there.

I can recommend the Plantronics headset which I bought from Best Buy.
Works great with Skype (my reason for buying them) and for general
audio.

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Re: Fedora splash screen ??

[William Case]

Hi Todd;

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 16:26 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > There used to be a check box in the gnome sessions program that let
> > you turn off the small Fedora splash screen that showed different
> > services starting up at login -- I am NOT talking about the main gdm
> > screen.
> >
> > How do I turn that Fedora Services screen off now?
> 
> You still see a gnome splash screen after entering your username in
> gdm?  I thought that was disabled by default for ages now, on the
> theory that startup should be so fast as to make a splash screen
> useless. :)
> 
Yes, I still see it -- if we are talking about the same thing.  I am
referring to a small rectangular screen that comes up right after login.
It has FEDORA on it and it shows the progress of opening the file system
etc.  Gnome completely loads before it goes away.

> > And, there used to be a Menus & Toolbars gnome preference program
> > that let you turn off the titles under the buttons on program
> > toolbars.  Where did that go and how do I turn off button titles?
> 
> I believe that what you're looking for is at System -> Preferences ->
> Look and Feel -> Appearance, on the Interface tab.
> 

You are right.  I must have had a brain cramp last night.  Thats got the
titles turned off!

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Re: Adding a new graphics card and Fedora 10?

[Mike Cloaked]

Tim-163 wrote:
> 
> 
> Chances that are that just about any video card will support run level
> 3.  There are some that don't work well, but they're few and far
> between.
> 
> You won't need to reboot, after booting up in run level 3 and editing
> xorg.conf.  Simply change up to run level 5 (telinit 5), and see if X
> starts without any user configuration.
> 
> If you need to fiddle around, and the system doesn't crash while you're
> fiddling.  You can CTRL ALT F1 (or F2, or F3, etc.) to get back to a
> text screen, telinit 3 to go back down to run level 3, fiddle around
> with xorg, telinit 5 again...  Rinse, lather, repeat.
> 
> 

Yes indeed - I had not thought of that - but in any event I also have to
switch the XP end so rebooting will be needed at some point anyway - but yes
once it is working I can switch between runlevel 3 and 5 as you say and
diddle in between- 

I will see how it goes once I have the card and play with the new
hardware...
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Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Mike Cloaked]

Mail Lists-3 wrote:
> 
> 
>   Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure
> and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.
> 
> 

I switched to kdm for F10 even though I use gnome - I did not like the way
gdm looked or the lack of configurability. I was used to kdm since I was a
long time kde user until recently.
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Re: Adding a new graphics card and Fedora 10?

[Mike Cloaked]

Tim-163 wrote:
> 
> 
> Chances that are that just about any video card will support run level
> 3.  There are some that don't work well, but they're few and far
> between.
> 
> You won't need to reboot, after booting up in run level 3 and editing
> xorg.conf.  Simply change up to run level 5 (telinit 5), and see if X
> starts without any user configuration.
> 
> If you need to fiddle around, and the system doesn't crash while you're
> fiddling.  You can CTRL ALT F1 (or F2, or F3, etc.) to get back to a
> text screen, telinit 3 to go back down to run level 3, fiddle around
> with xorg, telinit 5 again...  Rinse, lather, repeat.
> 
> 

Yes indeed - I had not thought of that - but in any event I also have to
switch the XP end so rebooting will be needed at some point anyway - but yes
once it is working I can switch between runlevel 3 and 5 as you say and
diddle in between- 

I will see how it goes once I have the card and play with the new
hardware...
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Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

[Mail Lists]

  gdm has become, frankly, really awful.

  Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure
and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.

  kdm is part of Fedora anyway ... leave gnome as the default desktop,
just replace the login manager part with something that behaves better.

  Bonus, it even looks nicer!!

  Is there any reason not to do this ?





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Re: Fedora splash screen ??

[Todd Zullinger]

William Case wrote:
> There used to be a check box in the gnome sessions program that let
> you turn off the small Fedora splash screen that showed different
> services starting up at login -- I am NOT talking about the main gdm
> screen.
>
> How do I turn that Fedora Services screen off now?

You still see a gnome splash screen after entering your username in
gdm?  I thought that was disabled by default for ages now, on the
theory that startup should be so fast as to make a splash screen
useless. :)

> And, there used to be a Menus & Toolbars gnome preference program
> that let you turn off the titles under the buttons on program
> toolbars.  Where did that go and how do I turn off button titles?

I believe that what you're looking for is at System -> Preferences ->
Look and Feel -> Appearance, on the Interface tab.

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Fedora splash screen ??

[William Case]

Hi;

There used to be a check box in the gnome sessions program that let you
turn off the small Fedora splash screen that showed different services
starting up at login -- I am NOT talking about the main gdm screen.  

How do I turn that Fedora Services screen off now?

And, there used to be a Menus & Toolbars gnome preference program that
let you turn off the titles under the buttons on program toolbars.
Where did that go and how do I turn off button titles?



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Fedora Talk inbound numbers usage guidelines?

[Bruno Wolff III]

The Fedora Talk wiki page doesn't have guidelines covering what is acceptible
use of the inbound numbers by Fedora members.
Presumably some amount of personal (non-Fedora) use is OK, but I am hoping to
get some comments on where the boundries are?

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Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?

[Bruno Wolff III]

I am looking for recommendations for headsets that will work with Fedora
without using propietary drivers (and prefer ones that are in the distro).
My main concern is using them for voice communication. I will listen to
music on them as well, but I am not a very discriminating music listener and
would prefer less expensive to high fidelity.

I was hoping to find some recommendations on the Fedora Talk page (perhaps
in the FAQ), but didn't see anything there.

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bluetooth mounse becomes erratic when network load is moderate.

[Wendell Nichols]

I have a bluetooth mouse which works nicely most of the time, but if I 
run a process which consumes network resources (and my network is 
wireless) the pointer lags behind the mouse movement.  Even playing 
music via an nfs mounted disk is enough to cause this problem.  Anyone 
else see or overcome that?

wcn

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Re: Church sound

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 11:02 -0700, jdow wrote:
> You even have problems when recording if you have a little Logitech
> style video camera and a microphone to the computer input. The audio
> will drift away from the video causing loss of lip sync with remarkable
> rapidity.

Ooh, but that's amongst my pet hates for digital video!  The number of
times I've had to put up with something out of lipsync...  It's
distracting, and makes it very hard to lipread.  Everybody does it, to
some degree.  It's how you tell apart some similar sounding words.

I'm sure if we could see the person voicing the adverts on our local TV
station for "national (channel) nine news at six (pm)," we wouldn't all
by thinking we heard him say "national nine nudes at six," this past
fortnight.  That's been highly amusing to some of us, but trying to work
out what someone's saying in the middle of a speech really throws off
your concentration.

Computer editing may be quite nifty for some things, but I find it
really falls apart when you have to edit anything lengthy.  Lipsync is
something that really suffers, in that regards.  The other being how
slow the whole thing can be to work with when its having to manage that
many gigabytes of data.  The average home PC isn't too bad for editing
video shorts, but you need to beef up a system quite expensively to make
it nice to work on a production that's an hour long, or more.

Tim:
>> The benefit of standalone video gear is generally that it "just works".
>> There's no fiddling around trying to figure out what to do with the
>> software, which of the gazillion options you need or should never use.
>> No time consuming importing and rendering.

> Use a firewire connection from a real camera with microphones attached.
> Or use SDI video connections with embeded or AES/EBU digital audio that
> has been properly synchronized with the video at the source. Otherwise
> you'll look like the crumby YouTube videos with unsynchronized audio and
> video.

I've generally found analogue into a DVD/HDD recorder to work quite
well.  Bad equipment not withstanding, but with hundreds of hours of
video recorded that way, I've not encountered it.  Certain playback
devices, on the other hand, can throw lipsync out on perfectly synced
original material.

But on the digital side, sometimes you'll find a camera and recorder
that doesn't work well when you connect them via firewire (glitches
every now and then, or the recorder continues to complain that there's
nothing connected, or wants to control the cameras's VCR rather than
just record the video out).  I haven't found a good reason for it, I
think it's just another of those strange compatibility issues, and
manufacturers trying to make "too helpful" technology.

Of course, once you get into this sort of thing, it's quite easy to hook
two cameras up to a recorder, and live switch between them.  Which makes
things far less boring to watch, and gives you a way out of some filming
difficulties (e.g. simply switch to a wide shot, rather than fumble
around trying to follow someone in closeup when you don't have a super
tripod; or switching to the input signal for a video projection, rather
than filming off a screen, as someone uses a visual aid during their
speech).  Likewise, if you have a sound system, you can record mixed
audio, rather than take it from one source which might be in the worst
place possible to record from (e.g. the camera mike, or a mike on one
person who does the main speaking, but isn't the sole source of audio).
That sort of thing's easy to do in the analogue domain.


>> But, if you're /that good/ at producing a recording, in the first place,
>> that you don't need to edit.  And you're an organisation that sells off
>> quite a few copies of your recordings.  Having a bank of five DVD
>> recorders patched up to your camera means that you can record live, and
>> distribute several discs straight away.  I've seen churches that do that
>> sort of thing.  The operators need to know little more than how to start
>> and stop recording.

> That's a good way to capture your edit source, too, if you record 420
> or better. But that uses a lot of disk fast if you are trying to do HD.
> Of course, HD is not "zero budget" so I presume you're using SD. For
> NTSC that bogeys out to about 2.5 megabytes an hour for 422 video plus
> some modest amount for the audio.

I think you mean gigabytes...  And truly high-def does that in minutes,
not hours.  And therein lay another problem with using a computer:  Hard
drives fill up very rapidly with video data.  You want a whopping great
big one to accommodate recording *and* editing.  And even bigger if
you're likely to leave last weeks recording on file to be worked on next
week.

Unless you have a need for HD, and a means a way to give your viewers HD
on a format that they can watch in HD (which precludes ordinary DVDs),
then there's little point to it.  Sure, if you have a special occasion
that you want to archive for

slow x on HD2400 Pro

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

I was trying to update my drm.ko and radeon.ko but get missing init_mm when I 
try to modprobe the newer versions.  The xorg list suggested I see if libdrm 
was the latest, but the conundrum is that while I have libdrm-2.4.0 installed, 
I just discovered that this package actually contains an old 2.3.0 series of 
files.

[r...@coyote drm]# ls -l /usr/lib|grep drm.so
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   15 2009-02-26 17:53 libdrm.so -> libdrm.so.2.3.0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   15 2009-02-26 17:47 libdrm.so.2 -> 
libdrm.so.2.3.0
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root40236 2008-10-01 01:28 libdrm.so.2.3.0

And a look at the files tab in yumex for libdrm-2.4.0-0.21.fc10 agrees.

When might this be fixed?

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Re: Church sound

[jdow]

From: "Tim" 
Sent: Sunday, 2009, March 15 08:00



Tim:

I'd suggest getting a HDD+DVD recorder, record to hard drive, break the
recording into chapters after filming, then burn off a DVD.  It's then
an easy job to replicate that DVD, either burning off another copy from
the hard drive on the same unit, or copying the DVD on computer.


Bill Davidsen:
You can record directly to the computer and avoid one layer of copying, 
with

possible interface issues. Then break up the big file to as many parts as
needed, and edit out the bits you don't want to make public.


With a hard drive / DVD recorder combination, the same sort of thing
applies.  Record to drive, edit out stuff, make disc.  Only one
generation is used.  The system cuts apart MPEG streams, it doesn't
re-render unless you change resolutions.

Though, with a computer, it is possible to lose more than one
generation.  If you transcode from one digital format to another (any
change, resolution, bitrate, format, etc.), you lose one there.  You
probably will, as the bitrate from a camera is generally higher than
you'll use on DVD, so there's often a re-rendering at some point.  And
if you have to render a transition (fades, wipes, etc.), you lose one
there, too.  The hint, there, is stick to straight cuts.

Another truly painful thing about editing on a computer is that the
computer screen is generally different than a video monitor.  It has a
slightly different frame rate, different gamma, etc.  That's a major
problem, here, where video is 50 Hz and computers are usually 60 Hz and
higher.  You're never quite sure if jerks and flickers are just your
preview, or how the end result will actually be.  Likewise, if you mess
around with video levels, the computer monitor is giving you a wrong
preview.  You'd need to learn how to read waveform monitors to get that
right, or simply leave such things alone (take it as read that your
monitor is wrong, the video is fine, don't tweak it).


You even have problems when recording if you have a little Logitech
style video camera and a microphone to the computer input. The audio
will drift away from the video causing loss of lip sync with remarkable
rapidity. 48kbps is pretty much standard for the video industry. So for
broadcast use and 50 fields per second you need exactly 960 audio samples
for each of those 50 fields. For NTSC it gets more interesting. You have
60/1.001 fields per second. So for every five fields you must have exactly
801 samples for four fields and 800 samples for the fifth. I suppose this
can be managed by sophisticated editing tools that notice the error and
resample the audio.

Cheap can be done. But it requires a thorough understanding of the issues
involved. (And the "stuff" I work with is decidedly not what a Fedora user
would consider "cheap" by any stretch of the imagination.)


In the trade "no budget" doesn't mean zero money, it probably means you
have little money, and that you don't have a preallocated budget.
Putting a DVD recorder, even a HDD+DVD recorder, into a place is cheaper
than putting a computer there.  The rest you need regardless (camera,
microphones, whatever else).


And you may come up with a superior product to a REALLY cheap Linux
machine setup. {^_-}


In particular the benefit of a separate CD or DVD burner escapes me,
since there are easy to use tools for creating anything from VCD,
thru SVCD to DVD, and audio CD formats are easily created.


The benefit of standalone video gear is generally that it "just works".
There's no fiddling around trying to figure out what to do with the
software, which of the gazillion options you need or should never use.
No time consuming importing and rendering.

Record to hard drive - real time.  Snip out the waiting around and
goofs, maybe half an hour if you only have a few to deal with (find them
at high speed, few minutes tweaking at normal speed).  Burn your edit
from HDD to disc, ten to fifteen minutes.


Use a firewire connection from a real camera with microphones attached.
Or use SDI video connections with embeded or AES/EBU digital audio that
has been properly synchronized with the video at the source. Otherwise
you'll look like the crumby YouTube videos with unsynchronized audio and
video.


My experience, as someone who does editing far faster than anyone else
than I've watched, is that the computer adds an awful lot of time in
editing (it's cumbersome without a decent edit controller), and so does
rendering (it's not uncommmon for rendering to take half the time of the
final production).

But, if you're /that good/ at producing a recording, in the first place,
that you don't need to edit.  And you're an organisation that sells off
quite a few copies of your recordings.  Having a bank of five DVD
recorders patched up to your camera means that you can record live, and
distribute several discs straight away.  I've seen churches that do that
sort of thing.  The operators need to know little more than how to start
and stop re

Re: Adding a new graphics card and Fedora 10?

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 09:25 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> then reboot to Fedora 10 runlevel 3 and move the xorg.conf out of the
> way and then reboot to Fedora again and hope that it picks up sensible
> settings for the new graphics card ( or move xorg.conf before the
> changeover shutdown) - the thing I did not know is whether after
> shutting down Fedora and changing the graphics card whether I would
> then be able to boot to Fedora even at runlevel 3 successfully to make
> the changes - or whether I would need to perhaps ssh in and make a new
> initrd??

Chances that are that just about any video card will support run level
3.  There are some that don't work well, but they're few and far
between.

You won't need to reboot, after booting up in run level 3 and editing
xorg.conf.  Simply change up to run level 5 (telinit 5), and see if X
starts without any user configuration.

If you need to fiddle around, and the system doesn't crash while you're
fiddling.  You can CTRL ALT F1 (or F2, or F3, etc.) to get back to a
text screen, telinit 3 to go back down to run level 3, fiddle around
with xorg, telinit 5 again...  Rinse, lather, repeat.

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dual monitors with nvidia broken with latest updates

[Eric Mesa]

Has something changed in the syntax for xorg dual monitor with twinview or
nvidia?  I'm using the legacy drivers and as of yesterday I can't do dual
screen anymore.  I've got my xorg.conf posted at
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/monitor-keeps-blinking-to-black-711665/
.  Dual screen works before the nvidia loads, but once nvidia loads - no
more dual screen.

Thanks,
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Re: How to build a linux based cheap (handheld ) computer

[Frank Cox]

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:41:46 +1030
Tim wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:55 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> > http://beagleboard.org/
> 
> Sounds intriguing.  Has anybody actually played with one?  Are they a
> reasonable alternative to an ordinary computer?

This is based on the beagleboard:

http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm

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Re: Hydrogen crashing desktop when opening. F10

[Andras Simon]

On 3/15/09, Nigel Henry  wrote:

> How are you running it then? On xfce?

No, nothing but a WM (fvwm 1; it's been working pretty well here for
almost 15 years :-))

> I may try removing it, and re-installing using apt-get directly. Perhaps
> synaptic still has a problem, but there wern't any error messages, apart
> from
> "extra output was created during install", but I often get that with
> synaptic, and can be ignored.

I don't know if it matters, probably not, but I only use yum.

> I have had Hydrogen crash when the wrong audio output was selected. for
> example, if Hydrogen was set to use jack, and jackd wasn't started, then
> Hydrogen would crash, but I've never had it also crashing the desktop
> before.
>
> Tried various options for audio output. Jackd running, jackd stopped, and I
> think Hydrogen is still an OSS audio app (may be wrong there), but alsa-oss
> is also installed, so there should be no problem there.

I only use it with jackd, and it's very stable. I often kill jackd
from under it (I have to, if I want to listen to music, because I
couldn't make PulseAudio work) and when I restart it, all I have to do
is goto Preferences->Audio System->Restart driver in Hydrogen. Much
better then audacity, which has to be restarted with jackd.

> Hydrogen version installed on my F10 is.
> hydrogen-0.9.3-13.fc9.i386

Same here.

DId you try to start Hydrogen from the command line? Just to see if it
produces any error messages?

> Thanks for your reply.

You're welcome.

Andras

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Re: Adding a new graphics card and Fedora 10?

[Mike Cloaked]

Tim-163 wrote:
> 
> 
> If you have no /etc/xorg.conf file, then the system automatically
> handles whatever graphics card that it finds, as best it can.
> 
> If you have one, then it you may want to move it aside (rename it), as
> it'll have specific drivers referenced in it.
> 
> 

Thanks Tim - yes at the moment both machines have a rudimentary xorg.conf
that I had to add to specify the vesa driver since i810 fails to give a
working X at all on both machines. Without it the machines failed to work in
F10. 

I guess the process will be to check/prepare the BIOS settings, and then run
up XP and load the drivers - then reboot to Fedora 10 runlevel 3 and move
the xorg.conf out of the way and then reboot to Fedora again and hope that
it picks up sensible settings for the new graphics card ( or move xorg.conf
before the changeover shutdown) - the thing I did not know is whether after
shutting down Fedora and changing the graphics card whether I would then be
able to boot to Fedora even at runlevel 3 successfully to make the changes -
or whether I would need to perhaps ssh in and make a new initrd?? This would
be more work and of course more nailbiting pending seeing something
re-appear on the screen after the changes!

Maybe this is a good time to buy brown trousers before starting the changes!
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Re: Hydrogen crashing desktop when opening. F10

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 15 March 2009 16:43, Andras Simon wrote:
> On 3/15/09, Nigel Henry  wrote:
> > As synaptic has been repaired now by an update, I thought that I'd try
> > installing something to check it out, so installed Hydrogen, and
> > hydrogen-drumkits, which installed ok without any of the previous md5
> > missmatch problems.
> >
> > Anyway, I click on the Hydrogen icon, which opens a page showing info
> > about Hydrogen, then close that page. Hydrogen's small splash screen is
> > showing the
> > Hydrogen tries to open, but instantly crashes the F10 desktop, and takes
> > me to a login screen.
> >
> >
> > I've just tried it on F10's Gnome desktop, with the same result.
> >
> > Anyway care to try Hydrogen, and say whether it works ok for them, or
> > they are
> > getting the same problem as I am?
>
> FWIW, Hydrogen (v 0.9.3) works fine here. But then I'm not using any
> kind of desktop.
>
> Andras

Hi Andras.

How are you running it then? On xfce?

I may try removing it, and re-installing using apt-get directly. Perhaps 
synaptic still has a problem, but there wern't any error messages, apart from 
"extra output was created during install", but I often get that with 
synaptic, and can be ignored.

I have had Hydrogen crash when the wrong audio output was selected. for 
example, if Hydrogen was set to use jack, and jackd wasn't started, then 
Hydrogen would crash, but I've never had it also crashing the desktop before.

Tried various options for audio output. Jackd running, jackd stopped, and I 
think Hydrogen is still an OSS audio app (may be wrong there), but alsa-oss 
is also installed, so there should be no problem there.

Hydrogen version installed on my F10 is.
hydrogen-0.9.3-13.fc9.i386

Thanks for your reply.

Nigel.


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Re: F10 evolution hangs on imap after a few hours

[Craig White]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 09:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 21:21 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 10:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Every so often I come into work to find Thunderbird prompting for my
> > > > Gmail password. When I supply it, I get a message saying
> > > > "imap.googlemail.com is not a valid IMAP4 server." - a thunderbird
> > > > restart cures this.
> > > 
> > > It was fairly clear to me that this is a problem with Gmail and not
> > > Evolution, and now you have effectively confirmed it. The fact that it's
> > > so easy to correct (even if it *is* Gmail's fault) is why I reported it
> > > to the Evo BZ.
> > 
> > I surely believe that there are some timeout issues occasionally with
> > Gmail and don't dispute what you are suggesting but in the past two
> > days, since I have turned off TLS, Evolution has not hung on my IMAP
> > server. I recognize that it isn't possible to use Gmail/IMAP without SSL
> > but I strongly suspect that some of your problems are rooted in SSL/TLS
> > with Evolution.
> > 
> > I may play around with adding my gmail account to Evolution after I go
> > another day without SSL/TLS in Evolution to see if it hangs but it
> > hasn't hung on me in the last day and half since I turned it off.
> 
> Both my IMAP accounts use SSL, not TLS. That includes Gmail. The only
> hangs are with Gmail, not with the other account. I think we are seeing
> two different problems here. There may well be a TLS problem, but there
> is also a Gmail problem orthogonal to that.
> 
> Gmail is unlike most IMAP servers out there in several respects, due to
> its underlying model being so different (e.g. labels instead of folders,
> the way deletion is managed etc.), but they do try to map their model
> onto what IMAP expects. However the fact that you aren't talking to a
> single server is possibly the key to the problem, i.e. at any given time
> you are talking to one server, but the server can change from one moment
> to the next. What happens if the server changes while an IMAP connection
> is still open, such as is very likely to happen with Evo given that it
> keeps IMAP connections open for long periods of time even when no
> traffic is flowing? I don't think anyone outside of Google really knows,
> and that's where I would look first.

I am quite well aware that Gmail uses SSL and not TLS.

I added the Gmail account to my setup to see if it takes down just Gmail
or both.

Craig

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Re: How to build a linux based cheap (handheld ) computer

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: Tim 

| On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:55 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
| > http://beagleboard.org/
| 
|   Are they a
| reasonable alternative to an ordinary computer?

In what sense?

For most cases where one would use an ordinary computer (PC) they are not 
a good alternative.

- a bare PC board doesn't fit well on most desks or tables.

- it has no ethernet interface.  They recommend a Linksys USB to
  Ethernet adapter.  One more thing on your desk.

- it gets power from something not included in the picture: either
  from USB or a wall wart (your choice).

- a 600MHz ARM isn't as nearly as fast as current PCs.  Probably not
  as fast as the OLPC XO's CPU (guess).

- 128M of RAM is tight these days 

- At US$149 for the bare board, it doesn't compare well to a Dell Mini 9
  netbook which has gone for as low as US$200.  Remember that the netbook 
  includes a case, power supply, faster processor, more RAM, "disk", 
  display, and keyboard, all pre-configured.

On the other hand, the Beagleboard looks to be quite interesting for
some projects.  A regular PC would be out of place on such projects.

The question is a bit like asking if a wheelbarrow is a reasonable
alternative to a pickup truck.  Generally, they are best suited to
different problems even though there is some overlap.

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Re: Hydrogen crashing desktop when opening. F10

[Andras Simon]

On 3/15/09, Nigel Henry  wrote:
> As synaptic has been repaired now by an update, I thought that I'd try
> installing something to check it out, so installed Hydrogen, and
> hydrogen-drumkits, which installed ok without any of the previous md5
> missmatch problems.
>
> Anyway, I click on the Hydrogen icon, which opens a page showing info about
> Hydrogen, then close that page. Hydrogen's small splash screen is showing
> the
> Hydrogen tries to open, but instantly crashes the F10 desktop, and takes me
> to a login screen.
>
>
> I've just tried it on F10's Gnome desktop, with the same result.
>
> Anyway care to try Hydrogen, and say whether it works ok for them, or they
> are
> getting the same problem as I am?

FWIW, Hydrogen (v 0.9.3) works fine here. But then I'm not using any
kind of desktop.

Andras

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Hydrogen crashing desktop when opening. F10

[Nigel Henry]

As synaptic has been repaired now by an update, I thought that I'd try 
installing something to check it out, so installed Hydrogen, and 
hydrogen-drumkits, which installed ok without any of the previous md5 
missmatch problems.

Anyway, I click on the Hydrogen icon, which opens a page showing info about 
Hydrogen, then close that page. Hydrogen's small splash screen is showing the 
Hydrogen tries to open, but instantly crashes the F10 desktop, and takes me 
to a login screen.


I've just tried it on F10's Gnome desktop, with the same result.

Anyway care to try Hydrogen, and say whether it works ok for them, or they are 
getting the same problem as I am?

Other graphical sound apps are working ok (ZynAddSubFX, MhWaveedit, etc).

Thanks.

Nigel.

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Re: Firewire problem on F10

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: Jens Schmidt 

| I am having trouble getting kino running on F10. I've been able to
| capture video from my JVC GR-DV2000EA in the past. Today i tried again
| and I am not able to capture video though I can control the camera from
| Kino.

I have no idea if this is relevant, but my impression is that the
firewire stack was rewritten in the last couple of years and Fedora
has been on the bleeding edge.  I say "impression" since I've not paid
much attention to this and could have it all wrong.

Here's one place where I bumped into this:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=415841

The new stack is called "juju".  You could google for juju and firewire
or juju and dvgrab, for example.

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Re: How to build a linux based cheap (handheld ) computer

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:55 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> http://beagleboard.org/

Sounds intriguing.  Has anybody actually played with one?  Are they a
reasonable alternative to an ordinary computer?

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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Tim]

On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:32 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I have all my emails since 2002.   This isn't the first folder that
> reached the 2GB limit.

I've got folders with thousands of messages going back further than
that, none of them are anywhere near that size.

Of course, if you have messages with files attached, that swells things
up a lot.

> Evolution is pretty good about being reasonably fast with large
> folders.

My experience says that it's rather dire (out of trying over a dozen
different clients, over the years).  Filtering is the slowest I've seen
on any mail client.  I gave up filtering in Evolution, and just manually
dump messages into folders once a week, or so (use the search box to
find all the fedora-list messages, drag and drop them out of inbox to a
fedora folder).  And it's hopeless at doing two things at once, such as
loading up the next message while your reply is being sent.

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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?

[Tim]

Patrick O'Callaghan:
>> Don't forget to Expunge (or Empty Trash) to make sure the space is
>> really freed.

Linuxguy123:
> I didn't know this was necessary.  Interesting.

Technically, it's necessary on many mail clients (delete flags a message
as not wanted, and actually removing it is a second function).  But some
mail clients have a default of doing both both actions together, or
automatically purging/expunging periodically.  I don't recall what the
default is for Evolution, but you can set it to do that, itself, daily,
weekly, etc.

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Re: Church sound

[Tim]

Tim:
>> I'd suggest getting a HDD+DVD recorder, record to hard drive, break the
>> recording into chapters after filming, then burn off a DVD.  It's then
>> an easy job to replicate that DVD, either burning off another copy from
>> the hard drive on the same unit, or copying the DVD on computer.

Bill Davidsen:
> You can record directly to the computer and avoid one layer of copying, with 
> possible interface issues. Then break up the big file to as many parts as 
> needed, and edit out the bits you don't want to make public.

With a hard drive / DVD recorder combination, the same sort of thing
applies.  Record to drive, edit out stuff, make disc.  Only one
generation is used.  The system cuts apart MPEG streams, it doesn't
re-render unless you change resolutions.

Though, with a computer, it is possible to lose more than one
generation.  If you transcode from one digital format to another (any
change, resolution, bitrate, format, etc.), you lose one there.  You
probably will, as the bitrate from a camera is generally higher than
you'll use on DVD, so there's often a re-rendering at some point.  And
if you have to render a transition (fades, wipes, etc.), you lose one
there, too.  The hint, there, is stick to straight cuts.

Another truly painful thing about editing on a computer is that the
computer screen is generally different than a video monitor.  It has a
slightly different frame rate, different gamma, etc.  That's a major
problem, here, where video is 50 Hz and computers are usually 60 Hz and
higher.  You're never quite sure if jerks and flickers are just your
preview, or how the end result will actually be.  Likewise, if you mess
around with video levels, the computer monitor is giving you a wrong
preview.  You'd need to learn how to read waveform monitors to get that
right, or simply leave such things alone (take it as read that your
monitor is wrong, the video is fine, don't tweak it).

>> I find stand-alone recording equipment to be generally a lot less
>> annoying that computerised video equipment.  Professional video
>> production is my career, and this is the easiest way to go, for low/no
>> budget productions, in my experience.  If you go the whole hog, you can
>> easily spend hours and hours in post production, for no tangible
>> improvement for the type of job you outline.
 
> Most people don't find any match between "low/no budget" and "stand-alone 
> recording equipment" since Fedora users have a computer but may not have all 
> that other stuff.

In the trade "no budget" doesn't mean zero money, it probably means you
have little money, and that you don't have a preallocated budget.
Putting a DVD recorder, even a HDD+DVD recorder, into a place is cheaper
than putting a computer there.  The rest you need regardless (camera,
microphones, whatever else).

> In particular the benefit of a separate CD or DVD burner escapes me,
> since there are easy to use tools for creating anything from VCD, 
> thru SVCD to DVD, and audio CD formats are easily created.

The benefit of standalone video gear is generally that it "just works".
There's no fiddling around trying to figure out what to do with the
software, which of the gazillion options you need or should never use.
No time consuming importing and rendering.

Record to hard drive - real time.  Snip out the waiting around and
goofs, maybe half an hour if you only have a few to deal with (find them
at high speed, few minutes tweaking at normal speed).  Burn your edit
from HDD to disc, ten to fifteen minutes.

My experience, as someone who does editing far faster than anyone else
than I've watched, is that the computer adds an awful lot of time in
editing (it's cumbersome without a decent edit controller), and so does
rendering (it's not uncommmon for rendering to take half the time of the
final production).

But, if you're /that good/ at producing a recording, in the first place,
that you don't need to edit.  And you're an organisation that sells off
quite a few copies of your recordings.  Having a bank of five DVD
recorders patched up to your camera means that you can record live, and
distribute several discs straight away.  I've seen churches that do that
sort of thing.  The operators need to know little more than how to start
and stop recording.

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Re: Adding a new graphics card and Fedora 10?

[Tim]

On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 04:18 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> Can anyone offer any advice as to the procedure to install the cards to
> minimise the chances of problems.  I know that for the 2400 I need to check
> that in the BIOS there is "auto" selection of graphics before installing the
> new card - and then use the relevant drivers for XP - but when I then boot
> to F10 will there be a need to do anything special or will the system
> recognise that a new card in now in place with the only monitor attached to
> the new graphics card?
> 
> In the case of the 5150 I presume a similar procedure is needed - but again
> when I boot to F10 once the new card is in place and the monitor plugged
> into to will F10 boot up and recognise it?  Or are there some special
> preparatory steps needed before booting up (and afterwards) ?

If you have no /etc/xorg.conf file, then the system automatically
handles whatever graphics card that it finds, as best it can.

If you have one, then it you may want to move it aside (rename it), as
it'll have specific drivers referenced in it.

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Re: Firewire problem on F10

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 23:50 +1100, Jens wrote:
> I am having trouble getting kino running on F10.

Just FYI:  Your posts are making it through, no need to post them three
times, or more.  Someone will answer if they can.

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Re: F10 evolution hangs on imap after a few hours

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 21:21 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 10:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > 
> > > Every so often I come into work to find Thunderbird prompting for my
> > > Gmail password. When I supply it, I get a message saying
> > > "imap.googlemail.com is not a valid IMAP4 server." - a thunderbird
> > > restart cures this.
> > 
> > It was fairly clear to me that this is a problem with Gmail and not
> > Evolution, and now you have effectively confirmed it. The fact that it's
> > so easy to correct (even if it *is* Gmail's fault) is why I reported it
> > to the Evo BZ.
> 
> I surely believe that there are some timeout issues occasionally with
> Gmail and don't dispute what you are suggesting but in the past two
> days, since I have turned off TLS, Evolution has not hung on my IMAP
> server. I recognize that it isn't possible to use Gmail/IMAP without SSL
> but I strongly suspect that some of your problems are rooted in SSL/TLS
> with Evolution.
> 
> I may play around with adding my gmail account to Evolution after I go
> another day without SSL/TLS in Evolution to see if it hangs but it
> hasn't hung on me in the last day and half since I turned it off.

Both my IMAP accounts use SSL, not TLS. That includes Gmail. The only
hangs are with Gmail, not with the other account. I think we are seeing
two different problems here. There may well be a TLS problem, but there
is also a Gmail problem orthogonal to that.

Gmail is unlike most IMAP servers out there in several respects, due to
its underlying model being so different (e.g. labels instead of folders,
the way deletion is managed etc.), but they do try to map their model
onto what IMAP expects. However the fact that you aren't talking to a
single server is possibly the key to the problem, i.e. at any given time
you are talking to one server, but the server can change from one moment
to the next. What happens if the server changes while an IMAP connection
is still open, such as is very likely to happen with Evo given that it
keeps IMAP connections open for long periods of time even when no
traffic is flowing? I don't think anyone outside of Google really knows,
and that's where I would look first.

poc

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Re: Samba access problems from virtual machine to F10

[Paul Smith]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Craig White  wrote:
>> >> I have VMware Server installed here to have a Windows2000 virtual
>> >> machine. It used to work fine until recently: cannot transfer files
>> >> between the virtual machine and F10 through samba (getting always the
>> >> message "The network path was not found" whenever I try to access,
>> >> from Windows2000", the samba shared F10 directory).
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas?
>> >
>> > My smb.conf file:
>> >
>> > [intercambio]
>> >        path = /home/psmith/intercambio
>> >        writeable = yes
>> >        browseable = yes
>> >        valid users = psmith
>>
>> And the shared directory is [intercambio].
> 
> smb.conf with every comment is kind of painful. Next time, execute (as
> root), 'testparm -s > /tmp/smb-conf.txt' which removes all of the
> comments. Executing this command should also provide clues on obvious
> missed configuration options.
>
> Since you haven't set a Netbios name, what do you get from the VM host
> when you execute 'smbclient -L $SAMBA_HOSTNAME -U%' ? Does it list the
> 'intercambio' share?

Thanks, Craig. The problem is now solved: it was caused by the virtual
machine firewall.

Paul

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Re: Samba access problems from virtual machine to F10

[Craig White]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 12:57 +, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Paul Smith  wrote:
> >> I have VMware Server installed here to have a Windows2000 virtual
> >> machine. It used to work fine until recently: cannot transfer files
> >> between the virtual machine and F10 through samba (getting always the
> >> message "The network path was not found" whenever I try to access,
> >> from Windows2000", the samba shared F10 directory).
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> > My smb.conf file:
> >
> > [intercambio]
> >path = /home/psmith/intercambio
> >writeable = yes
> >browseable = yes
> >valid users = psmith
> 
> And the shared directory is [intercambio].

smb.conf with every comment is kind of painful. Next time, execute (as
root), 'testparm -s > /tmp/smb-conf.txt' which removes all of the
comments. Executing this command should also provide clues on obvious
missed configuration options.

Since you haven't set a Netbios name, what do you get from the VM host
when you execute 'smbclient -L $SAMBA_HOSTNAME -U%' ? Does it list the
'intercambio' share?

Craig

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Re: Samba access problems from virtual machine to F10

[Paul Smith]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Paul Smith  wrote:
>> I have VMware Server installed here to have a Windows2000 virtual
>> machine. It used to work fine until recently: cannot transfer files
>> between the virtual machine and F10 through samba (getting always the
>> message "The network path was not found" whenever I try to access,
>> from Windows2000", the samba shared F10 directory).
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> My smb.conf file:
>
> # This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
> # smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed
> # here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options (perhaps too
> # many!) most of which are not shown in this example
> #
> # For a step to step guide on installing, configuring and using samba,
> # read the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. This may be obtained from:
> #  http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.pdf
> #
> # Many working examples of smb.conf files can be found in the
> # Samba-Guide which is generated daily and can be downloaded from:
> #  http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-Guide.pdf
> #
> # Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash)
> # is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #
> # for commentry and a ; for parts of the config file that you
> # may wish to enable
> #
> # NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command "testparm"
> # to check that you have not made any basic syntactic errors.
> #
> #---
> # SELINUX NOTES:
> #
> # If you want to use the useradd/groupadd family of binaries please run:
> # setsebool -P samba_domain_controller on
> #
> # If you want to share home directories via samba please run:
> # setsebool -P samba_enable_home_dirs on
> #
> # If you create a new directory you want to share you should mark it as
> # "samba-share_t" so that selinux will let you write into it.
> # Make sure not to do that on system directories as they may already have
> # been marked with othe SELinux labels.
> #
> # Use ls -ldZ /path to see which context a directory has
> #
> # Set labels only on directories you created!
> # To set a label use the following: chcon -t samba_share_t /path
> #
> # If you need to share a system created directory you can use one of the
> # following (read-only/read-write):
> # setsebool -P samba_export_all_ro on
> # or
> # setsebool -P samba_export_all_rw on
> #
> # If you want to run scripts (preexec/root prexec/print command/...) please
> # put them into the /var/lib/samba/scripts directory so that smbd will be
> # allowed to run them.
> # Make sure you COPY them and not MOVE them so that the right SELinux context
> # is applied, to check all is ok use restorecon -R -v /var/lib/samba/scripts
> #
> #--
> #
> #=== Global Settings =
>
> [global]
>
> # --- Netwrok Related Options -
> #
> # workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name, eg: MIDEARTH
> #
> # server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field
> #
> # netbios name can be used to specify a server name not tied to the hostname
> #
> # Interfaces lets you configure Samba to use multiple interfaces
> # If you have multiple network interfaces then you can list the ones
> # you want to listen on (never omit localhost)
> #
> # Hosts Allow/Hosts Deny lets you restrict who can connect, and you can
> # specifiy it as a per share option as well
> #
>        workgroup = mygroup
>        server string = Samba Server Version %v
>
> ;       netbios name = MYSERVER
>
> ;       interfaces = lo eth0 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24
> ;       hosts allow = 127. 192.168.12. 192.168.13.
>
> # --- Logging Options -
> #
> # Log File let you specify where to put logs and how to split them up.
> #
> # Max Log Size let you specify the max size log files should reach
>
>        # logs split per machine
>        log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>        # max 50KB per log file, then rotate
>        max log size = 50
>
> # --- Standalone Server Options 
> #
> # Scurity can be set to user, share(deprecated) or server(deprecated)
> #
> # Backend to store user information in. New installations should
> # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards
> # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration.
>
>        security = share
>        passdb backend = tdbsam
>
>
> # --- Domain Members Options 
> #
> # Security must be set to domain or ads
> #
> # Use the realm option only with security = ads
> # Specifies the Active Directory realm the host is part of
> #
> # Backend to store user information in. New installations should
> # use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards
> # compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration.
> #
> # Use password server option only with security = server or 

Re: Samba access problems from virtual machine to F10

[Paul Smith]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Paul Smith  wrote:
> I have VMware Server installed here to have a Windows2000 virtual
> machine. It used to work fine until recently: cannot transfer files
> between the virtual machine and F10 through samba (getting always the
> message "The network path was not found" whenever I try to access,
> from Windows2000", the samba shared F10 directory).
>
> Any ideas?

My smb.conf file:

# This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
# smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed
# here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options (perhaps too
# many!) most of which are not shown in this example
#
# For a step to step guide on installing, configuring and using samba,
# read the Samba-HOWTO-Collection. This may be obtained from:
#  http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.pdf
#
# Many working examples of smb.conf files can be found in the
# Samba-Guide which is generated daily and can be downloaded from:
#  http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-Guide.pdf
#
# Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash)
# is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #
# for commentry and a ; for parts of the config file that you
# may wish to enable
#
# NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command "testparm"
# to check that you have not made any basic syntactic errors.
#
#---
# SELINUX NOTES:
#
# If you want to use the useradd/groupadd family of binaries please run:
# setsebool -P samba_domain_controller on
#
# If you want to share home directories via samba please run:
# setsebool -P samba_enable_home_dirs on
#
# If you create a new directory you want to share you should mark it as
# "samba-share_t" so that selinux will let you write into it.
# Make sure not to do that on system directories as they may already have
# been marked with othe SELinux labels.
#
# Use ls -ldZ /path to see which context a directory has
#
# Set labels only on directories you created!
# To set a label use the following: chcon -t samba_share_t /path
#
# If you need to share a system created directory you can use one of the
# following (read-only/read-write):
# setsebool -P samba_export_all_ro on
# or
# setsebool -P samba_export_all_rw on
#
# If you want to run scripts (preexec/root prexec/print command/...) please
# put them into the /var/lib/samba/scripts directory so that smbd will be
# allowed to run them.
# Make sure you COPY them and not MOVE them so that the right SELinux context
# is applied, to check all is ok use restorecon -R -v /var/lib/samba/scripts
#
#--
#
#=== Global Settings =

[global]

# --- Netwrok Related Options -
#
# workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name, eg: MIDEARTH
#
# server string is the equivalent of the NT Description field
#
# netbios name can be used to specify a server name not tied to the hostname
#
# Interfaces lets you configure Samba to use multiple interfaces
# If you have multiple network interfaces then you can list the ones
# you want to listen on (never omit localhost)
#
# Hosts Allow/Hosts Deny lets you restrict who can connect, and you can
# specifiy it as a per share option as well
#
workgroup = mygroup
server string = Samba Server Version %v

;   netbios name = MYSERVER

;   interfaces = lo eth0 192.168.12.2/24 192.168.13.2/24
;   hosts allow = 127. 192.168.12. 192.168.13.

# --- Logging Options -
#
# Log File let you specify where to put logs and how to split them up.
#
# Max Log Size let you specify the max size log files should reach

# logs split per machine
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
# max 50KB per log file, then rotate
max log size = 50

# --- Standalone Server Options 
#
# Scurity can be set to user, share(deprecated) or server(deprecated)
#
# Backend to store user information in. New installations should
# use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards
# compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration.

security = share
passdb backend = tdbsam


# --- Domain Members Options 
#
# Security must be set to domain or ads
#
# Use the realm option only with security = ads
# Specifies the Active Directory realm the host is part of
#
# Backend to store user information in. New installations should
# use either tdbsam or ldapsam. smbpasswd is available for backwards
# compatibility. tdbsam requires no further configuration.
#
# Use password server option only with security = server or if you can't
# use the DNS to locate Domain Controllers
# The argument list may include:
#   password server = My_PDC_Name [My_BDC_Name] [My_Next_BDC_Name]
# or to auto-locate the domain controller/s
#   password server = *

Firewire problem on F10

[Jens]

Hi
I am having trouble getting kino running on F10. I've been able to
capture video from my JVC GR-DV2000EA in the past. Today i tried again
and I am not able to capture video though I can control the camera from
Kino.

running dvgrab gives me the same result.

[r...@wombat]# dvgrab
Found AV/C device with GUID 0x008088010068ea79
"" 0.00 MiB 0 frames
Capture Stopped
Error: no DV

To verify the camera is working I booted from the same computer into
Ubuntu and installed kino, modprobe raw1394 and I could capture videos
from the camera out of the box.


[r...@wombat Documents]# uname -a
Linux wombat 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 23 13:00:23
EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep 1394
libavc1394-0.5.3-4.fc10.x86_64
libraw1394-2.0.1-1.fc10.i386
libdc1394-2.0.2-1.fc10.x86_64
libraw1394-2.0.1-1.fc10.x86_64
libavc1394-0.5.3-4.fc10.i386

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep kino
kino-1.3.3-1.fc10.x86_64

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep dvgrab
dvgrab-3.2-1.fc10.x86_64

At
http://www.kinodv.org/dcforum/dcforum?az=show_topic&forum=101&topic_id=3471 
someone else had a similar problem with F10 and Kino.


Any help is much appreciate


Regards
Jens

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Firewire problem on F10

[Jens Schmidt]

Hi
I am having trouble getting kino running on F10. I've been able to
capture video from my JVC GR-DV2000EA in the past. Today i tried again
and I am not able to capture video though I can control the camera from
Kino.

running dvgrab gives me the same result.

[r...@wombat]# dvgrab
Found AV/C device with GUID 0x008088010068ea79
"" 0.00 MiB 0 frames
Capture Stopped
Error: no DV

To verify the camera is working I booted from the same computer into
Ubuntu and installed kino, modprobe raw1394 and I could capture videos
from the camera out of the box.


[r...@wombat Documents]# uname -a
Linux wombat 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 23 13:00:23
EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep 1394
libavc1394-0.5.3-4.fc10.x86_64
libraw1394-2.0.1-1.fc10.i386
libdc1394-2.0.2-1.fc10.x86_64
libraw1394-2.0.1-1.fc10.x86_64
libavc1394-0.5.3-4.fc10.i386

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep kino
kino-1.3.3-1.fc10.x86_64

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep dvgrab
dvgrab-3.2-1.fc10.x86_64

At
http://www.kinodv.org/dcforum/dcforum?az=show_topic&forum=101&topic_id=3471 
someone else had a similar problem with F10 and Kino.


Any help is much appreciate


Regards
Jens

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Firewire problem on F10

[Jens Schmidt]

Hi
I am having trouble getting kino running on F10. I've been able to
capture video from my JVC GR-DV2000EA in the past. Today i tried again
and I am not able to capture video though I can control the camera from
Kino.

running dvgrab gives me the same result.

[r...@wombat]# dvgrab
Found AV/C device with GUID 0x008088010068ea79
"" 0.00 MiB 0 frames
Capture Stopped
Error: no DV

To verify the camera is working I booted from the same computer into
Ubuntu and installed kino, modprobe raw1394 and I could capture videos
from the camera out of the box.


[r...@wombat Documents]# uname -a
Linux wombat 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 23 13:00:23
EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep 1394
libavc1394-0.5.3-4.fc10.x86_64
libraw1394-2.0.1-1.fc10.i386
libdc1394-2.0.2-1.fc10.x86_64
libraw1394-2.0.1-1.fc10.x86_64
libavc1394-0.5.3-4.fc10.i386

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep kino
kino-1.3.3-1.fc10.x86_64

[r...@wombat Documents]# rpm -qa | grep dvgrab
dvgrab-3.2-1.fc10.x86_64

At
http://www.kinodv.org/dcforum/dcforum?az=show_topic&forum=101&topic_id=3471 
someone else had a similar problem with F10 and Kino.


Any help is much appreciate


Regards
Jens

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Samba access problems from virtual machine to F10

[Paul Smith]

Dear All,

I have VMware Server installed here to have a Windows2000 virtual
machine. It used to work fine until recently: cannot transfer files
between the virtual machine and F10 through samba (getting always the
message "The network path was not found" whenever I try to access,
from Windows2000", the samba shared F10 directory).

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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Re: kernel

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

pushparaj muthu wrote:
> Hi
> 
>  
> 
> When I try to do make install of kernel 2.6.23.1 source code after
> successfully completion of make command
> 
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Re: f10 annoying bugs/enhancements: dpms

[Tom Horsley]

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 08:56:22 +0100
François Patte wrote:

> Is gnome making a "coup d'état" on unix like system?

Nah, its not that smart - it is just all the GDM "improvements"
that have rendered it utterly useless.

I know I was able to change the login screen DPI by arranging
to store a copy of my personal gconf font setting info as
user "gdm". Possibly the same thing would work for power
management settings like shutting down the monitor?

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Re: Building Fedora RPM's 101 Where? (Aplogies if ot)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
> Is this link still the most valid?
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/drafts/rpm-guide-en/ch-creating-rpms.html
> 
> Is there any specific Fedora tools required?
> How does one builf for all supported archs from one machine?
> 
> If wrong list, please feel free to re-direct me.

This one is more up2date

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package

Rahul

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kernel

[pushparaj muthu]

Hi



When I try to do make install of kernel 2.6.23.1 source code after
successfully completion of make command



It show error message



make install



Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.23.1 modules .dep.temp

No modules available for kernel 2.6.23.1

mkinitrd failed



Regards

Raj
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Building Fedora RPM's 101 Where? (Aplogies if ot)

[Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)]

Is this link still the most valid?
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/drafts/rpm-guide-en/ch-creating-rpms.html

Is there any specific Fedora tools required?
How does one builf for all supported archs from one machine?

If wrong list, please feel free to re-direct me.

Frank

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f10 annoying bugs/enhancements: dpms

[François Patte]

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Bonjour,

I am carrying on the list of irritating that we cannot easily configure
and that we used to be able to do previously.

I have an nvidia video card and, in my xorg.conf dpms is enabled:

Section "Monitor"

Option  "dpms"
EndSection

The result in Xorg.0.log:

(**) Option "dpms"
(**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled

But dpms is not working at all when you are on the login screen and it
is working when you are logged in, *only* if you enable it using the
gnome utility for screen savers etc.

We are facing a lot problems like this and we have to make a per user
config for things which should be relevant to global config.

Is gnome making a "coup d'état" on unix like system?

Regards.

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