Re: Request for Temporary Tattoo Art.
On 04/13/2009 03:19 PM, David Duncan wrote: I would like to request assistance for the creation of a temporary tattoo design. The temporary tattoo will be included in Ambassadors Kits for North America. The design of the temporary tattoo would be based upon the existing artwork for the laptop sticker found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Marketing_Stickers_poweredby_sticker.png Help me understand: exactly the same only with the powered text changed with empowered? If you have any questions or information related to this, I have placed a request on the wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Temporary_Tattoo_design -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 06:20 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Done [1] I've added only the versions we actually have in the package - 16:10, 4:3 and 5:4, single and dual, one size per each. I noticed you also had there 16:9 one - was there some desire to include this ratio in the Leonidas release? We've never shipped these and I've also never seen computer displays with this ratio (even though it is used on HD TVs). BTW. the simple Greek style anaconda and first boot banners look awesome! Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
Hi Team, just a bunch of (small) questions: - Is the Lion-Head the official Background of F11? - I want to create name plates with the LionHead as background for FUDCon Berlin, if it's the official background - T-shirt Design with the LionHead somewhere available? Thanks for your reply Gerold On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 06:20 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Done [1] I've added only the versions we actually have in the package - 16:10, 4:3 and 5:4, single and dual, one size per each. I noticed you also had there 16:9 one - was there some desire to include this ratio in the Leonidas release? We've never shipped these and I've also never seen computer displays with this ratio (even though it is used on HD TVs). BTW. the simple Greek style anaconda and first boot banners look awesome! Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... any how, it is just a thought passed by my mind and shared with u ... P.S. normally, i carry my 12.1 laptop without a second screen in my hand ^_^ thanx for taking time to read :) On 4/14/09, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: On 04/14/2009 11:30 AM, Gerold wrote: just a bunch of (small) questions: ...and short answers :p - Is the Lion-Head the official Background of F11? Yes, check the rpm - I want to create name plates with the LionHead as background for FUDCon Berlin, if it's the official background Go ahead. Use the .xcf posted earlier on the list. - T-shirt Design with the LionHead somewhere available? Not yet - I guess someone has to work on a simplified version using less colors. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Civil Infrastructures Engineer Dar Al-Handasah Consultants (Shair and Partners) P.O.Box: 40358 Mobile: +974 5042547 - +974 5543080 E.mail: hisham.abdelma...@dargroup.com Websites: www.dargroup.com - www.thepearlqatar.com Fedora Ambassador in Sudan and Qatar, E.mail: hi...@fedoraproject.org wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Himam ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) That's actually only for the landscape ones. The lion has only one version. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 05:33 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) That's actually only for the landscape ones. The lion has only one version. Then maybe is a wise idea to provide both, this is the second time I hear someone asking for the lion today (the other one was on #fedora-art). Hmm... I can add that, but given that today is the final freeze (not sure when exactly and whether any build I would have done today would make it in) and this would not end up on the release CD/DVDs either, I doubt I could ask for a freeze break just to add one subpackage (with the wallpapers with lion on single screens as well). I think I have only these two options: 1. wait if we are gonna do some further bugfixes to the artwork and add them with it, or 2. make this a zero day update (note it would mean about 8MiB of updates for _every_ user of leonidas-backgrounds, unless F11 would be Presto enabled) Any better insights, suggestions, ideas? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Request for Temporary Tattoo Art.
On 04/14/2009 09:11 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/13/2009 03:19 PM, David Duncan wrote: I would like to request assistance for the creation of a temporary tattoo design. The temporary tattoo will be included in Ambassadors Kits for North America. The design of the temporary tattoo would be based upon the existing artwork for the laptop sticker found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Marketing_Stickers_poweredby_sticker.png Help me understand: exactly the same only with the powered text changed with empowered? Uh, like the attached PNG? do you have specific technical requests (transparency, number of colors, size, resolution)? If you have any questions or information related to this, I have placed a request on the wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Temporary_Tattoo_design -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ attachment: empoweredby_sticker.png___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firstboot RTL problem (Was Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds)
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:00:22AM +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote: * RTL PROBLEM WARNING ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Firstboot_Banner the banner is not right to left aware when firstboot runs in RTL locale (eg. Arabic) I suggest having two dark strips making the banner symmetric (except the fedora logo) and setting text margin to start after that dark strip Are you able to get a screenshot? -- Ian Weller ianwel...@gmail.com GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgp1eCboJJrvq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Should generic-logos' system-logo-white.png be a smiling hot dog with arms and legs?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:14:16PM +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: I recently noticed that the system-logo-white.png file in generic-logos is (imo) a quite weird and unprofessional-looking smiling hot dog with arms and legs. It is shown in the middle of the screen when booting the system on a machine where KMS works. I'd rather have something more neutral and Fedora-ish in the default boot screen, but I must replace fedora-logos with generic-logos on my custom spins of Fedora. Therefore, I filed a bug about it here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495561 I already got one reply from Bill Nottingham, who noted that the generic logos were supposed to be replaced by the creators of the custom spins. He also noted that this is the first bug about the file, and replacing the image may be considered, if there is more pressure to do so. I think the current image may well have stayed under the radar due to the rarity of people replacing fedora-logos with generic-logos. Until now, it has also been quite rare to have KMS enabled, but F11 is going to greatly increase the visibility of the hot dog logo on systems with generic-logos. Note that I'm not creating my own distribution, so creating my own logo packages and repos for them is quite an overkill. I'd just like to share some custom Fedora spins with my friends and not have to show them an annoying and cheesy smiling hot dog right on boot. Do the people here think that the hot dog logo is good as it is, or should it maybe be changed to something more usual and maybe less annoying? I'd see no logo (a completely transparent png) a lot better than the current situation. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my dislike for the current picture. Thanks for reading this, hope to hear some other opinions on this. If we don't make it obvious to people that they can change this logo (whether via smiling hot dog or explicit documentation) then they won't think they can change it. Acceptable alternatives would not include Tux, IMHO, cuz it's not from the Linux Foundation, and they kinda own the trademark. Also, a transparent PNG doesn't make it known that, yes, there can be a logo here. It's just simply not obvious enough. A smiling face (see /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/emotes) or the Computer icon in the default icon set would be good alternatives. (Not to start a bikeshedding conversation or anything) -- Ian Weller ianwel...@gmail.com GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpC6Wv5Hgzr4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Should generic-logos' system-logo-white.png be a smiling hot dog with arms and legs?
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 20:54 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: A smiling face (see /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/emotes) or the Computer icon in the default icon set would be good alternatives. What about the Fedora Remix mark? -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazquez...@gmail.com PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Should generic-logos' system-logo-white.png be a smiling hot dog with arms and legs?
2009/4/15 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazquez...@gmail.com: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 20:54 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: A smiling face (see /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/emotes) or the Computer icon in the default icon set would be good alternatives. What about the Fedora Remix mark? I think was some effort to get the remix logos packaged similarly to the current fedora-logos and generic-logos, but afaik they aren't in Rawhide yet. The Fedora Remix mark would probably suit my use perfectly, but I still think that even generic-logos should have good logos in it, too. Of course, it can be argued that the hot dog is a good logo and it would be very nice to have it show up on every boot. :-) -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Bug 492510] Regression: wqy-bitmap-fonts preferred font over truetype fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492510 --- Comment #17 from Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com 2009-04-14 03:42:08 EDT --- (In reply to comment #16) Warren, how are you installing wqy-bitmap-fonts? Through @chinese-support? (Apparently) I guess one workaround may be to install wqy-zenhei-fonts in addition to [or instead of??] wqy-bitmap-fonts. Unfortunately wqt-zenhei overrides ja default font on ja desktop even... so needs fixing too IMHO. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 484536] [ml_IN] various smc-fonts have wrong default glyphs
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484536 --- Comment #4 from Pravin Satpute psatp...@redhat.com 2009-04-14 05:34:58 EDT --- thanks for update. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 492510] Regression: wqy-bitmap-fonts preferred font over truetype fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492510 --- Comment #18 from Akira TAGOH ta...@redhat.com 2009-04-14 09:23:12 EDT --- still happens on current rawhide with packages: cjkuni-ukai-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-23.fc11 cjkuni-uming-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-23.fc11 fontconfig-2.6.99.behdad.20090318-1.fc11 vlgothic-fonts-20090204-3.fc11 vlgothic-p-fonts-20090204-3.fc11 wqy-bitmap-fonts-0.9.9-9.fc11 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 495252] Texts/Fonts are crappy.
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495252 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||xgl-ma...@redhat.com Component|pango |xorg-x11-drv-ati AssignedTo|besfa...@redhat.com |xgl-ma...@redhat.com --- Comment #1 from Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com 2009-04-14 14:36:02 EDT --- Radeon M6. More likely to be a driver bug than a gnome bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 495252] Texts/Fonts are crappy.
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495252 François Cami fc...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added CC||fc...@fedoraproject.org AssignedTo|xgl-ma...@redhat.com|airl...@redhat.com Flag||needinfo?(fabian.deut...@gm ||x.de) --- Comment #2 from François Cami fc...@fedoraproject.org 2009-04-14 15:51:08 EDT --- Thanks for the bug report, Could you add /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.0.log as uncompressed text/plain attachment to this bug ? Note : probable duplicate of bug # 490651 . Fabian, please add yourself as CC there. --- Fedora Bugzappers volunteer triage team https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 495820] New: numerals aren't fixed-width in all sizes of sans font
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: numerals aren't fixed-width in all sizes of sans font https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495820 Summary: numerals aren't fixed-width in all sizes of sans font Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: low Priority: low Component: dejavu-fonts AssignedTo: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net ReportedBy: c...@btinternet.com QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: nicolas.mail...@laposte.net, fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com Classification: Fedora Description of problem: in the default font and size used in firstboot the '5' digit is a slightly different width, i think. so in the 'date and time' settings screen the text shuffles a bit as the seconds and minutes tick through 05/15/25 etc. ah, actually, it looks like it's a hinting problem - this happens with 'full' and 'medium' but not with 'slight' or 'none'. not sure if that means it's a problem with freetype rather than the font. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): freetype-2.3.9-3.fc11.i586 dejavu-sans-fonts-2.29-2.fc11.noarch How reproducible: always. Steps to Reproduce: 1.install fedora 2.in firstboot go to datetime screen 3.watch the time ticking and observe text layout alternatively log in and enable seconds display and 12 hour mode on the panel clock and watch that. Actual results: layout 'jiggles' as numbers change. Expected results: no jiggling. Additional info: i think this has been like this for a year at least. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
remove andreas.kup...@stw-bonn.de from mirror-admin alias
Can somebody please remove andreas.kup...@stw-bonn.de from the mirror-ad...@fedoraproject.org alias? Everytime I sent a mail to mirror-admin I get following error since a few days (maybe even weeks): andreas.kup...@stw-bonn.de: permission denied. Command output: maildrop: maildir over quota. maildrop: maildir over quota. maildrop: maildir over quota. Adrian ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
STS45-RIPE
Hello Folks! I'm writing you to let you know about my interest to join the FIG. My name ist Stefan, I'm 23 Years old, living in Austria/Vienna and working as a systems engineer at an Austrian ISP Company (we do a lot of sponsoring for F/OSS projects as well ;-). We mostly use Debian/Linux for our business, but I used RedHat/Fedora before. ;-) Currently I have about 6 years of experiance as a system administrator. I'm pretty familiar with all sorts of sysop tasks (networking, virtualization, scripting in perl/python/bash, ticketing systems, infrastructure automation eg. puppet/cfengine, ldap, web technoligies, mail, dns, databases, packaging, technical documentation, etc). I couldn't decide on which FIG group to choose yet, but eventually fedora-web or fedora-noc would be suitable... Feel free to contact me, I'm on IRC (freenode/#fedora-admin/sts) as well, with best regards, Stefan. -- Stefan Schlesinger \\ \\\ s...@ono.at STS45-RIPE ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
RFR: A test box for running an LDAP server for SSSD test day
== Primary Contact == Name: Jakub Hrozek Fedora Account Name: jhrozek Group: Fedora Packager CVS Commit Group '''Infrastructure Sponsor''': == Secondary Contact info == Name: Simo Sorce Fedora Account Name: simo Group: Fedora Packager CVS Commit Group == Project Info == Project Name: A test box running an LDAP server for SSSD test day Target Audience: SSSD Test Day participants Expiration/Delivery Date (required): 2009-04-30 (this is the Test day date) Description/Summary: A test box running an LDAP server for SSSD test day. Project plan (Detailed): A Fedora Directory Server, or a FreeIPA instance, is needed to perform full testing of SSSD (there is a draft How to test on the Feature Page, I'll rework that into a better test plan this week). I'm not sure if we can ask the test day participants to go through the process of configuring their own instance and even if they had one on their local machine, it wouldn't allow them to test the online caching feature of SSSD properly. There are several options, the best of them is to have an LDAP server with test data available for the community to test on. Therefore, I'd like to ask the Fedora Infrastructure team to provide us with a temporary test box where we could install and configure FDS. The box would be needed until the test day (2009-04-30), can be removed afterwards. I understand that getting a root access for the box might not be possible - I can provide an install script and an LDIF file that would bootstrap the FDS instance in that case. However, getting a sudo for controlling the FDS instance (ldapmodify, restart the service, view the logs) would be very nice. Goals: Provide the test day participants with an easy test environment. == Specific resources needed == N/A == Additional Info (Optional) == As per the time *before* the test day, it would be handy if we had the test instance for 1-2 weeks prior to the test day. I hope all the necessary information is included either here or in the ticket itself. I'll be happy to answer questions about this RFR. Thank you for the consideration, Jakub Hrozek ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
rpm-4.6.x friends for RHEL5 (was: hosts for rawhide build chroots - different rpm versions?)
Hi, On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:09AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: On Sunday 22 March 2009 05:02:41 am Axel Thimm wrote: AFAIK the build hosts are RHEL5 (or maybe F10 by now?). At any rate the rpm used in rawhide is quite different than the ones from the hosts, how has this been solved in the build hosts? Has the hosting OS upgraded its rpm to be compatible to all hosted chroots? Or is the rpm within the chroot used? I'm asking in a double context: First I'd like to understand if smart can properly handle chroots of rawhide/F11 on F10/RHEL5 hosts. Anders Björklund (in the Cc, please keep him there on replies) has put a great deal of effort to have smart working on F10 and F11, and a smart version for managing F11 and later chroots on F10 or earlier would be great. And second I'd like to know how to setup a build environment for F11 for getting some ATrpms packages out. we are running a version of rpm 4.6.0 on rhel5. This is only so mock can populate chroots with rpms with stronger hashes rhel5's rpm doesnt support. All srpm creation now takes place in chroots so features of the target rpm are always available. rpm in F-10 updates is compatible with the new rpm features. but rpm from F-9 and RHEL4 and 5 can not handle the new rpm at all. you cannot make chroots on them with rawhide rpms. you could use koji on F-10/rawhide or F-9/RHEL5 by replacing the hosts rpm to build your packages. Thanks for the explanation, Dennis. Can I get these tailored rpm rpms from somewhere? I just tried rebuilding rpm from rawhide on RHEL5 and the dependencies look endless. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgp7EVD9Gntys.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: rpm-4.6.x friends for RHEL5 (was: hosts for rawhide build chroots - different rpm versions?)
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Axel Thimm axel.th...@atrpms.net wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:09AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: we are running a version of rpm 4.6.0 on rhel5. This is only so mock can populate chroots with rpms with stronger hashes rhel5's rpm doesnt support. All srpm creation now takes place in chroots so features of the target rpm are always available. Thanks for the explanation, Dennis. Can I get these tailored rpm rpms from somewhere? I just tried rebuilding rpm from rawhide on RHEL5 and the dependencies look endless. http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/ -- Jeff Ollie ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Infrastructure Freeze
It is not inside the freeze bubble on that doc so it is not frozen (the publictest servers are never frozen) My bad...overlooked the bubble :) -- Regards, Susmit. = ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit = ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Improving QA test result submission and organization
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:25 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, James Laska wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 15:57 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, James Laska wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 13:10 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: * Should the semantic performance impact be significant, is hosting a separate Fedora QA mediawiki (with semantic enabled) a possibility? That is possible, for example we have a smolt wiki seperate from the normal mediawiki install. The question of performance is, does it only impact pages deciding to use semantic or everything? We have lots of way to test the actual impact of using it. Good question. The feedback I have so far is it affects everything. I just did some speed tests against the laptop.org instance you linked to. At this point I don't think thats a blocker but we may find something out later. Package review in progress for both extensions ... mediawiki-semantic-forms - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490171 mediawiki-semantic - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490001 I'm playing with the system locally to get more comfortable in this framework. Is it possible to get a dump of a subset of content from the fedoraproject.org/wiki so I can get a better sense how things will look in production? Yeah we can do that no problem. Can it wait until after the beta launches though? (the 24th) It'll just be easier that way. Still swamped on my end, but having a snapshot of the current fedora wiki database that I can load into a test instance would help speed up efforts to identify whether semantic is the short-term (F12) solution for QA. Any updates on grabbing a db snapshot of the fedoraproject.org wiki? Does this seem possible? Thanks, James signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: rpm-4.6.x friends for RHEL5 (was: hosts for rawhide build chroots - different rpm versions?)
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 01:15:21PM -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Axel Thimm axel.th...@atrpms.net wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:09AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: we are running a version of rpm 4.6.0 on rhel5. This is only so mock can populate chroots with rpms with stronger hashes rhel5's rpm doesnt support. All srpm creation now takes place in chroots so features of the target rpm are always available. Thanks for the explanation, Dennis. Can I get these tailored rpm rpms from somewhere? I just tried rebuilding rpm from rawhide on RHEL5 and the dependencies look endless. http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/ Thanks, I guess it's http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/builder-rpms/ It's missing popt builds, but these were easy to rebuild from Fedora. I just metion it in case a) I'm pulling the wrong bits, b) someone else wants to use RHEL5 hosts with F11 roots. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net pgpWpMWGV5epm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Document formats (was: Re: Infrastructure Freeze)
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:33 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: Just a reminder guys, our infrastructure will be in a change freeze starting at the end of the day today. The preview release will ship on the 28th. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ISOP:RELEASE#Change_Freeze I understand the desire to use canonical sources for data, but perhaps we should export the freeze diagram to a browser-supported format since: 1) it requires Draw to be run, which is not a small install/app, and 2) it causes older versions of Draw to complain. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazquez...@gmail.com PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
[PATCH] squashfs broken when pageszie blocksize
Not sure if we are too late for F11 on this or not but this patch is needed to be able to mount squashfs (as used by anaconda) on ia64. Our goal is to be able to build Fedora on ia64 with no custom SRPMs so it would be appreciated if this could be pulled in. Squashfs is broken on any system where the pageszie is larger than either the block size of the squashfs image or larger than the metadata size (8192). This is easily fixed by ensuring cache-pages is always 0. Signed-off-by: Doug Chapman doug.chap...@hp.com Cc: Phillip Lougher phil...@lougher.demon.co.uk --- diff --git a/fs/squashfs/cache.c b/fs/squashfs/cache.c index 1c4739e..40c98fa 100644 --- a/fs/squashfs/cache.c +++ b/fs/squashfs/cache.c @@ -252,6 +252,7 @@ struct squashfs_cache *squashfs_cache_init(char *name, int entries, cache-entries = entries; cache-block_size = block_size; cache-pages = block_size PAGE_CACHE_SHIFT; + cache-pages = cache-pages ? cache-pages : 1; cache-name = name; cache-num_waiters = 0; spin_lock_init(cache-lock); ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: [PATCH] squashfs broken when pageszie blocksize
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 08:57:07 Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 08:18:40AM -0400, Doug Chapman wrote: Not sure if we are too late for F11 on this or not but this patch is needed to be able to mount squashfs (as used by anaconda) on ia64. Our goal is to be able to build Fedora on ia64 with no custom SRPMs so it would be appreciated if this could be pulled in. It would be needed for ppc64 kernels using a 64KiB pagesize as well from what I can see. Sounds like a good idea to me. Committed to the F11 branch. Not needed for F10 and earlier, since they're still using squashfs v3, even for the 2.6.29.x builds. Will just let it trickle in via upstream for the devel branch. -- Jarod Wilson ja...@redhat.com ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: EDAC on AMD with Fedora 10
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:44:19 +0100 Jeremy Sanders jer...@jeremysanders.net wrote: Is there any reason the amd76x_edac module doesn't appear in the Fedora 10 kernel RPM? As far as I can see it should be being built from the configuration. We've got an AMD 790X based motherboard which doesn't seem to have any Fedora 10 support for ECC RAM. According to the kernel Kconfig file it's only available for old 32-bit Athlons, and it is in the i686 kernel(s). config EDAC_AMD76X tristate AMD 76x (760, 762, 768) depends on EDAC_MM_EDAC PCI X86_32 help Support for error detection and correction on the AMD 76x series of chipsets used with the Athlon processor. ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: speakers not workingthrough docking station
Sam, others, 2009/2/27 Sam Wetmore s...@wetmore.homelinux.com: Re: Dell D810 Laptop found the solution: The issue was that by default alsa outputs on the digital output of the d/port. if you go into alsamixer and turn down IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA all the way, and make sure that IEC958 is not muted, the analog port will work. and this: Dell D610 Laptop in Feisty In Feisty Fawn, I had to go into Volume Control (by clicking the volume icon in the status area of the desktop), select Preferences, check the box next to IEC958, and then I got a tab Switches where I could check a box next to IEC958. This seems to be working OK now without any mixer tweaking on the F11 Beta Snapshot. Can anyone else confirm? I don't think there was bug report about it. Rui ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
[Fedora-legal-list] ProjectX
Would it be possible to package ProjectX in Fedora (http://project-x.sourceforge.net/)? It is a DVB demuxing tool. The license is GPLv2+, so that part is fine. I understand MPEG2 is a patented codec (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#DVD_Playback) but does that also affect a tool that just demultiplexes the stream? ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] ProjectX
On 04/14/2009 03:53 PM, Göran Uddeborg wrote: Would it be possible to package ProjectX in Fedora (http://project-x.sourceforge.net/)? It is a DVB demuxing tool. The license is GPLv2+, so that part is fine. I understand MPEG2 is a patented codec (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#DVD_Playback) but does that also affect a tool that just demultiplexes the stream? We permit code that only does demuxing. It can't also encode/decode. If ProjectX meets those criteria, it should be okay. ~spot ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] ProjectX
On Tuesday 14 April 2009, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 04/14/2009 03:53 PM, Göran Uddeborg wrote: Would it be possible to package ProjectX in Fedora (http://project-x.sourceforge.net/)? It is a DVB demuxing tool. The license is GPLv2+, so that part is fine. I understand MPEG2 is a patented codec (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#DVD_Playback) but does that also affect a tool that just demultiplexes the stream? We permit code that only does demuxing. It can't also encode/decode. If ProjectX meets those criteria, it should be okay. I think ProjectX does quite a bit more than just demuxes (attempts to repair streams etc). See also http://project-x.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/project-x/Project- X/ReadMe.txt?revision=1.22view=markup 34 For a program compliant to the international standards ISO 11172 35 and ISO 13818 it is inevitable to use methods covered by patents 36 in various countries. The authors of this program disclaim any 37 liability for patent infringement caused by using, modifying or 38 redistributing this program. ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: (no subject)
2009/4/14 g gel...@bellsouth.net: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 22:44 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: That's interesting Patrick, but I'm very keen to learn how Capitals are working very well with your Asus 1000HE netbook with F10, as it hasn't made an outing in this thread yet. What? This was an attempt at a joke based on your three recent threads that all contain mention of your new toy. Sorry, i'll try harder in future. H E S A I D , H O W A R E C A P I T A L S W O R K I N G O N Y O U R A S U S 1 0 0 0 H E D I D Y O U R E Y E S G O D E A F O N Y O U ? This was a much funnier post. I spat my morning coffee out over this Asus EeePC 701G with Ubuntu 9.04 because of this. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Software request
On Monday 13 April 2009 21:59:26 Beartooth wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:03:47 +0930, Tim wrote: [] so how do I get to vimtutor? Launch it from the CLI? I've never tried to use vimtutor, so I can't comment, but if you want a quick- start help, google for 'vi cheatsheet' Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fcron
Has anybody used it? Anybody like it? Anybody have anything to say about it at all? jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fcron
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Has anybody used it? Anybody like it? Anybody have anything to say about it at all? Sounds like it has much in common with anacron which already comes with fedora. -- Don't get mad, get even. -- Joseph P. Kennedy Don't get even, get jewelry. -- Anonymous mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
shared libraries (not working ld.so.conf.d)
Hello guys, I have patched my own libraries and override locations to them in ld.so.conf.d . Let's just see an example: [r...@david ld.so.conf.d]# cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/cairo-lcd-x86_64.conf /usr/lib64/cairo-lcd Now , when I will execute ldd to check for shared library dependencies : 1) gnome-terminal [r...@david ~]# ldd /usr/bin/gnome-terminal |grep libcairo libcairo.so.2 = /usr/lib64/cairo-lcd/libcairo.so.2 (0x0032ef00) - OK this is totally ok and works as expected , but : 2) gimp [r...@david ~]# ldd /usr/bin/gimp |grep libcairo libcairo.so.2 = /usr/lib64/libcairo.so.2 (0x0032ee80) - Totally WRONG this is wrong and looks for original library instead as it should. My question is : What is the cause of this problem? Does gimp and others uses hard-linked libraries and ld.so.conf is for nothing?? Thanks in advance! David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: openvpn - urgent help requested!
Timothy Murphy wrote: Thanks to you it is now working fine. The only lines I had to add are: to zones vpn ipv4 to interfaces vpn tun0192.168.5.255 to policy vpn $FW ACCEPT I have also added openvpnserver:1194 net 0.0.0.0/0 to tunnels, although it seems to work fine without this. I should say that the setting about allows me to ping from my laptop to my home server, not in the reverse direction. However, I cannot think of any reason I would want to do the reverse, so that does not worry me. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wifi won't reconnect on resume
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 15:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 19:14 +, Beartooth wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:11:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: My Asus 1000HE netbook with F10 seems to work well, including suspend and resume, but the Wifi will *sometimes* (results seem to vary) refuse reconnect after the latter. No amount of fiddling with NM will persuade it. It shows the connection as down and there appears to be no way to make it reconnect, obliging me to reboot. On my desktop, a simple left-click on the NM applet resets the (wired) connection, but it doesn't work on the netbook. Hints welcome. You might try disabling NetworkManager and running system-config- network -- if you haven't. As I'm resigned to the fact that NM isn't going away, I'd rather get it to work properly, thanks all the same. I'm in the same boat with the same problem, if its any consolation. Other than this glitch, NM works great. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question about update of clamav
Steven W. Orr wrote: On Monday, Apr 13th 2009 at 15:34 -, quoth James Kosin: =Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:34:01 =From: James Kosin jko...@beta.intcomgrp.com =Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. =fedora-list@redhat.com =To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. =fedora-list@redhat.com =Subject: Re: Question about update of clamav = =Steven W. Orr wrote: = When I tried to update clamav using yum, it told me that I'm up to date. = I've got 0.94.2 and .95 is out. Should I expect this to be available = soon or how would this work? = =Questions: =a) What version of fedora? 8, 9, 10? =b) 0.95 made significant changes to milter. This may be the cause for =the delay. And there is no real threat for using 0.94.2 other than not =being the latest release. = =James Thanks. I am running F10 but I never really understood what the purpose of the milter is. I am running with both the clamav milter as well as spamass-milter. The spamass-milter rejects the mail before reception completes. I'm not really sure what the clamav milter does. A very small percentage of my email is caught by clamav and when it happens, I get the message with some indicator that the virus was removed. Also, I asked about all this because it complains so loudly when it starts and when the nightly logs are run. clamav-milter is a mail filter that tries to scan incoming/outgoing mail for viruses and other threats in the mail. Clamav-Milter though doesn't remove a virus, it should be stopping the mail message completely. If you are seeing a message saying the virus was removed then either you are misreading the message or you have some other source scanning your email for you as well. I know it complains very LOUD when this happens. My system has been complaining for months now, but I finally took the plunge and managed to get the clamav package the rework needed to get everything working. I've been using FC1 since it came out and have been maintaining the packages on the box for many years. I'd give it a few more weeks or so before giving up hope though on the community having a 0.95.1 release ready. If you get tired, you can try the source package here to compile and test on your system. Though I'd keep a backup of the installation you have, just in case. http://support.intcomgrp.com/mirror/fedora-core/beta/src/clamav-0.95.1-0.0.fc1.src.rpm James Kosin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 07:23 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: This was an attempt at a joke based on your three recent threads that all contain mention of your new toy. Perhaps because they were all questions *about* the new toy? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
2009/4/14 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 07:23 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: This was an attempt at a joke based on your three recent threads that all contain mention of your new toy. Perhaps because they were all questions *about* the new toy? Ok, it wasn't a very good joke. Lets let it die. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: useradd and the default group
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:29:41 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 13Apr2009 16:28, Carl D. Roth r...@ursus.net wrote: | Can some one explain the following weird behavior with useradd? | # useradd -g mock -r -m -d /var/lib/mockuser mockuser | -- create a new 'mockuser' user that can be used to run /usr/bin/mock | # id mockuser | uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) | # grep mock /etc/group | mock:x:491:roth | Hm, that's interesting, 'mockuser' is not in the 'mock' group. This can | be verified using 'getgrent()'. If you look at /etc/passwd you will see the gid field there is mock (494). Eg: $ grep cameron /etc/passwd cameron:x:1000:1000::/home/cameron:/bin/zsh The -g option to useradd specifies the primary group, which is recorded in the passwd file, not the group file. A UNIX user has a primary group which comes from the passwd file and secondary groups which come from the group file. Absent the setgid bit on a directory, new files and directories a process makes get their group ownership from the primary group. _Access_ (open, cd, etc) is governed by uid and all the groups. So from a UNIX programming perspective, then, a test for group membership is then: 1. is the user listed in the group membership list OR 2. is the user's primary group equal to the target gid That seems strange; it means that the group file is not canonical for establishing group permissions. C -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kde freezes in Fedora 10
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009 18:43:09 Robin Laing wrote: I will have to try removing akonadi. I have not found a use of it yet. Maybe it will fix some of my problems. Sure. It might make coffee for you while it's doing it :-) What makes you think that akonadi has anything to do with this? I've seen nothing in this thread to suggest it. Anne Anne, The post I responded to mentioned as quoted. Disabled desktop effects and yum remove akonadi it's working now. I am not using desktop effects and I have not seen any use for akonadi. I don't use most of the KDE applications that work with akonadi. I am at a loss for the freezes and lockups of the system. I am lucky to get 48 hours of uptime with F10. On the weekend I ordered new controller cards for my HD's as the chips on the motherboard are slow and more RAM. This weekend the computer locked up twice yesterday with no-one logged in needing system reset using kdm. I am not getting anything in any of the logs to point to a problem other than the odd disk message related to the controller. Some random kernel oops over the last two months where I get a pop-up about sending the info to the kernel developers. With my years of using RedHat and Fedora, this has been the worst experience yet. This install is not like the rest though and I do accept that I may have to remove disk encryption as one level of testing. If system loads are high due to encryption, it may be necessary. I am going to try the SysRq key settings and see if I have some success with getting some info. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Network Routing
I have a server with 3 nics in it. eth0 is local lan eth1 is public internet eth2 is private I have most of the routing working in that I can send and receive traffic that I need on the private network from the server, but not on the workstations. I am using iptables for my firewalling, and have the route statements based on IP's for the eth2 interface and this works from the server. The default gateway is the eth1 interface. On the workstations, I need to be able to route out the eth2 interface of the server when I need a specific webpage. I'm thinking I need to add an iptables statement to my firewall to get that to work from the workstations, but I can't figure out how to do it. Basically, if I type www.site.com in a web browser on a workstation, it needs to hit eth2 on the server and get that page. Anyone know how to do that? Am I even on the right track? Thanks. -- -=/Thom -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: This was a much funnier post. I spat my morning coffee out over this Asus EeePC 701G with Ubuntu 9.04 because of this. glad you enjoyed it. when i read poc's post, it just popped into my head and i could not resist. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ 'fedora faqs' http://www.fedorafaq.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (no subject)
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: Ok, it wasn't a very good joke. only in that you spat coffee on your asus. :) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ 'fedora faqs' http://www.fedorafaq.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
On 04/08/2009 06:16 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Jim wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 15:27 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: ttys 'b-'. you did not answer which model and usage of paper. :) asr33, paper scroll :-) ASR33s also had the paper tape punch and reader. KSR33s did not. I had both hooked up to my Altair 8800 back in '77 via 110 baud, 20mA current loop serial interfaces. Ah, memories! ASR33 on a Altair, that far back, You must be at least 100, Smart*ss! Nah, I was in college (sophmore). I started out on a RCA 1802 8 bit and I still have it. I modified it to work on S100 bus so I could get more memory , 64k , man you were top dog with that kind of memory. Only had 56K (seven 8KB RAM cards) and a nice 8K EPROM board (had 1702A PROMS on it) holding a monitor program. I'm chiming in a bit late, but I did use an ASR33 with a PDP-8 in graduate school in 1971-72. The PDP-8 was the ultimate RISC machine :-) -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Routing
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Thom Paine painet...@gmail.com wrote: I have a server with 3 nics in it. eth0 is local lan eth1 is public internet eth2 is private I have most of the routing working in that I can send and receive traffic that I need on the private network from the server, but not on the workstations. I am using iptables for my firewalling, and have the route statements based on IP's for the eth2 interface and this works from the server. The default gateway is the eth1 interface. On the workstations, I need to be able to route out the eth2 interface of the server when I need a specific webpage. I'm thinking I need to add an iptables statement to my firewall to get that to work from the workstations, but I can't figure out how to do it. Basically, if I type www.site.com in a web browser on a workstation, it needs to hit eth2 on the server and get that page. Anyone know how to do that? Am I even on the right track? Thanks. -- -=/Thom -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines /sbin/iptables -t nat --flush /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQUERADE where 192.168.2.0/24 should match your subnet address this works for me, I'm not including the other rules to choke ports. -- gary -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display Resolution Problem
Thanks Richard... 0x318 worked. Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Kam Leo kam@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Jack Lauman jlau...@nwcascades.com wrote: I have a Compaq Presario 2500 (Model No: 2525US) When booting into run level 3 (command line) on Fedora 9 the video occupies less than 2/3 of the total screen. Using startx to launch xwindows works fine and uses the full screen. Is there a way to control the screen size in run level 3? Thanks, Jack Default runlevel 3 console screen is 80x25 characters. If you have lines of text 132 characters wide then you are at the maximum supported, 132x40 characters. Here is a table of values courtesy of LinuxQuestions.org, http://www.linuxquestions.org/blog/archtoad6-147095/2007/12/29/vga-resolution-codes-for-grub-and-lilo-830/ VGA Resolution Codes for GRUB Lilo --- Depth -- Colors bits 640x480 800×600 1024×768 1152×864 1280×1024 1600×1200 2568 vga=769 vga=771 vga=773 vga=353 vga=775vga=796 32000? vga=784 vga=787 vga=790 vga= ?vga=793vga= ? 65000 16 vga=785 vga=788 vga=791 vga=355 vga=794vga=798 16.7M 24 vga=786 vga=789 vga=792 vga=795 vga=799 Try appending one of the settings (vga=value) to kernel line in grub to optimize viewing the screen. Another option is to have the kernel tell you what modes your chipset and display support. When you get to GRUB edit your kernel line and append vga=ask to it. When you reboot it will give you a list of supported modes. You can type in the 3 digit number to try a mode or type SCAN to see if it can detect additional modes. Once you find one you like, change the ask portion to the number of the mode but be sure to put 0x in front of it. For example, on my desktop I use 1024x768 and I believe that's 318 so I would append vga=0x318 to the kernel line in grub. Richard No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Routing
/sbin/iptables -t nat --flush /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQUERADE where 192.168.2.0/24 should match your subnet address this works for me, I'm not including the other rules to choke ports. -- gary Well I have a program that sets up the rest of my rules already. I think I need to add a special case for this one website that I need to force out the eth2 interface. So I think I need to add that to the very end. I need to be able to hit 142.46.226.26 on eth2. The website associated to this is https://one-pages.on.ca. I have the route statement on the server. [r...@mail root]# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface tlsb.tls.one-ma 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 10.250.223.148 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 tlsb.tls.one-ma 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 10.250.192.92 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 tlsa.tls.one-ma 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 tlsa.tls.one-ma 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 webmail.one-mai 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 gwa.gw.one-mail 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 gwb.gw.one-mail 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 142.46.226.26 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 ptr.ssha.ca 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 10.250.223.109 142.47.61.53255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 eth2 142.47.61.52* 255.255.255.252 U 0 00 eth2 209.239.18.192 * 255.255.255.192 U 0 00 eth1 10.10.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth2 default gw.ch1.cable.ex 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth1 Ultimately I need to add an LDAP entry to the end users address book, but I can start with them browsing the address book online start. Basically I want to force any traffic destined to 142.46.226.26 out eth2 all the time. There will never be a situation I need to hit that site from the public internet. Thanks. -- -=/Thom -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kde freezes in Fedora 10
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 16:02:16 Robin Laing wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009 18:43:09 Robin Laing wrote: I will have to try removing akonadi. I have not found a use of it yet. Maybe it will fix some of my problems. Sure. It might make coffee for you while it's doing it :-) What makes you think that akonadi has anything to do with this? I've seen nothing in this thread to suggest it. Anne Anne, The post I responded to mentioned as quoted. Disabled desktop effects and yum remove akonadi it's working now. I am not using desktop effects and I have not seen any use for akonadi. I don't use most of the KDE applications that work with akonadi. I am at a loss for the freezes and lockups of the system. I am lucky to get 48 hours of uptime with F10. On the weekend I ordered new controller cards for my HD's as the chips on the motherboard are slow and more RAM. It's certainly true that KDE 4 requires more resources than KDE 3. This weekend the computer locked up twice yesterday with no-one logged in needing system reset using kdm. I am not getting anything in any of the logs to point to a problem other than the odd disk message related to the controller. Some random kernel oops over the last two months where I get a pop-up about sending the info to the kernel developers. With my years of using RedHat and Fedora, this has been the worst experience yet. This install is not like the rest though and I do accept that I may have to remove disk encryption as one level of testing. If system loads are high due to encryption, it may be necessary. I am going to try the SysRq key settings and see if I have some success with getting some info. I have read a good deal and come to the conclusion that almost all of this is related to video driver issues. You are probably aware of the fact that the first indication of the problem came when up to date NVidia drivers were found to make KDE 4 crawl. After talks between KDE devs and NVidia devs it was found the KDE 4 was using parts of the driver that had previously been assumed to work, but since nothing really tested them, it was theoretical. NVidia then set out to work on the problem, and I believe that there has been a significant improvement. I'm not sure what the situation is with ATi drivers, but those of us with Intel drivers are suffering a great deal. In my case it is just horribly slow, but I'm luckier than those that have suffered lockups. It's worth trying some of the tips at http://userbase.kde.org/GPU-Performance - but what helps on one system seems to be totally wrong on another, so it's trial and error. However, many people have been able to get a considerable improvement this way. I don't think that akonadi is in any way implicated in this. You may well be right that you don't need it, but I don't think it has any impact whatsoever on this case. HTH Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fcron
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 15:29 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Has anybody used it? Anybody like it? Anybody have anything to say about it at all? Sounds like it has much in common with anacron which already comes with fedora. It does have much in common with anacron, but anacron lacks one feature which would be very useful: the ability to get it to start running its jobs when commanded to. I do a fair amount of audio transcription, and system housekeeping creates too much of a load to allow it to record audio reliably. So I would sometimes like to sometimes get system housekeeping over with immediately. This is possible with anacron: log in as root; kill the instance of anacron started at system startup; then run anacron -n. But it's rather tedious, and fcron provides tools to do this. So... Any info about fcron would be very welcome. jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 05:15:26PM -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:26:39 -0700 Hugh Caley wrote: Problem: After running Firefox for a time (a few minutes to 30 minutes) it will start taking 80%+ of CPU (as shown in top) and will keep taking it until I restart the browser. This machine is running Fedora 10 32-bit. Firefox firefox-3.0.8-1 flash-plugin-10.0.22.87 That does make it sound like a Flash problem. I'll try noscript, but I'd REALLY like Fedora/RedHat/Mozilla people to work on the problem. Reading this and inspecting my system I suspect that this is related to the content of sites you visit and not a true bug in FF, Fedora, Mozilla I recently played with a Photoshop share format and noticed that the animation and audio (flash based) continued to run on hidden tabs and also in frames and other blocks on the page. Do make sure you have not inadvertantly left a camera or microphone open/on. I have also seen java and javascript error of very stupid types. Do run a javascript validator on the page and links. FWIW, the most common error I used to see is something like if (a = 2) then in contrast to if (a == 2) then... For a time these bugs were so common at a company I once worked at that that when I looked I discovered they were all related to a development tool used in IT. Of interest they did not manafest as errors on IE. i.e. the bug may be in pages you visit not in FF, Fedora, etc... -- T o m M i t c h e l l Found me a new hat, now what? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: Qt applications show corrupted fonts after upgrade
On Sunday 12 April 2009 09:34:52 wwp wrote: Oh, right. Let me apologize for this, updates-testing was enabled here, but it's accidental. Thanks! Regards, Try to remove hinting, at least that solved the problem to me when I had that problem: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-February/001624.html -- José Abílio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
I'm not sure I agree with all of the arguments about oh closed source, don't use it. The fact is that Firefox allows the use of proprietary plugins, for better or worse. It doesn't prevent me from using things that don't agree with it's own license (thankfully; I'd rather have this crappy Flash integration than none). Open-source alternatives are fine, but try to find a new machine that doesn't use an ATi or Nvidia graphics card. And I can't imagine the time it would take to come up with a complete drop in replacement for Flash. Proprietary is here; we need to deal with it. Now, my own point is that a single Linux user has about zip power to influence Adobe. I think Redhat and to a lesser extent the Mozilla organization has a lot more. There should be direct talks between these commercial operations about problems like these, and if there have been, it'd be nice to know. Also, Firefox allows a single bad plugin to make the brower unusable. Maybe it shouldn't do that? Seems to me there's a legitimate argument to be made there. I don't think the that's proprietary, deal with it arguments are helpful. Hugh Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:20:39 -0700 From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com Subject: Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 1239668439.13027.648.ca...@lin-workstation.azapple.com Content-Type: text/plain On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:26 -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: I do definitely get the problem on sites such as youtube; however, I also get the problem on sites that don't have any obvious flash content, and frankly, I'm not sure which ones at this point. Flashblock doesn't seem to catch all of them. Still trying to find out. I think it would be a good thing if Fedora and Mozilla/Firefox talked with Adobe about fixing this. just so you understand that Adobe ships Flash (and of course Adobe Reader and everything else) in what we tend to refer to as a binary blob and thus only they retain the source code. While some of the Adobe software might be free in terms of no cost, they aren't free as in open source and so the only set of eyeballs that ever looks at the program code is theirs. The distinction is a very important one. Adobe has sole responsibility for compatibility as they can download the source code for Mozilla Firefox and fully understand how to implement their software in Firefox. The responsibility completely lies with Adobe and if you are unhappy, you should be complaining to Adobe, not the list. The list might help you with some workarounds but that's going to be as far as it goes. The ultimate solution would be to use the open source variants (perhaps gnash) because then you could participate in the software development. No one from Fedora or Mozilla software development is going to waste their time on Adobe proprietary software that they can't even see the source code to possibly make a knowledgeable suggestion. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
card. And I can't imagine the time it would take to come up with a complete drop in replacement for Flash. Probably a lot less now than before as a lot of the documentation has finally been published - presumably because Adobe finally realised that a mostly open microsoft spec versus a totally proprietary Adobe one was a bad idea ;). I'd rather reimplement Flash than Nvidia drivers - by a large margin. Also, Firefox allows a single bad plugin to make the brower unusable. Maybe it shouldn't do that? Seems to me there's a legitimate argument to be made there. FC10 uses the plugger stuff to try and keep them apart (its important for security too) however the interface plugins used is a very old, rather inelegant hack from way back when. Easy for firefox to move from it (and indeed it basically has with the extensions model of its own) but your proprietary plugins don't move themselves. I don't think the that's proprietary, deal with it arguments are helpful. Unfortunately that is reality for a lot of this. There are some things you can do to isolate misbehaving plugins but there are a lot of things you can't fix that easily including some of the less nice properties of the flash plugin. Increasingly flash isn't needed. The javascript DOM can do a lot in javascript that used to justify flash. With SVG graphics much of the animation and gaming is going that way, with Firefox and HTML now going the theora path the video will become less important too. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
Guess I'll just go look at Youtube with my javascript DOM/SVG viewer and ... wait ;) Personally, I think if Alan Cox contacted the head Linux programmer at Adobe that would be helpful. I also think you guys (we) are winning the Open Source versus proprietary war, slowly but surely. At the moment, that doesn't make my Linux desktop experience suck much less. Hugh Alan Cox wrote: card. And I can't imagine the time it would take to come up with a complete drop in replacement for Flash. Probably a lot less now than before as a lot of the documentation has finally been published - presumably because Adobe finally realised that a mostly open microsoft spec versus a totally proprietary Adobe one was a bad idea ;). I'd rather reimplement Flash than Nvidia drivers - by a large margin. Also, Firefox allows a single bad plugin to make the brower unusable. Maybe it shouldn't do that? Seems to me there's a legitimate argument to be made there. FC10 uses the plugger stuff to try and keep them apart (its important for security too) however the interface plugins used is a very old, rather inelegant hack from way back when. Easy for firefox to move from it (and indeed it basically has with the extensions model of its own) but your proprietary plugins don't move themselves. I don't think the that's proprietary, deal with it arguments are helpful. Unfortunately that is reality for a lot of this. There are some things you can do to isolate misbehaving plugins but there are a lot of things you can't fix that easily including some of the less nice properties of the flash plugin. Increasingly flash isn't needed. The javascript DOM can do a lot in javascript that used to justify flash. With SVG graphics much of the animation and gaming is going that way, with Firefox and HTML now going the theora path the video will become less important too. Alan -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 11:58 -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: Guess I'll just go look at Youtube with my javascript DOM/SVG viewer and ... wait ;) Personally, I think if Alan Cox contacted the head Linux programmer at Adobe that would be helpful. I also think you guys (we) are winning the Open Source versus proprietary war, slowly but surely. At the moment, that doesn't make my Linux desktop experience suck much less. as a counterpoint but probably unhelpful is my opinion that... - every time I go to youtube.com, the stuff works fine. - I no longer get the race conditions FF 3.07/Fedora 10 but when I had problems with FF, they always seemed to be related to AdobeReader plugin in FF which I just simply removed and my problems went away. PDF files downloaded and AdobeReader opened in its own memory space instead of within Firefox. - I'm using KDE 4.x on Fedora 10 and I don't think the Linux desktop experience sucks at all. - I don't tell Alan Cox what to do about anything and I wouldn't expect him to listen to me if I did. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: plea for tar-1.21
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 02:58:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009, John W. Linville wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 01:14:42PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Please, either stabilize the device mapping (BTW, how did you do that when I didn't even reboot?) or give us a version of tar that can cope with it. According to the ChangeLog, it will take 1.21 to do that. Gene, Did you open a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com for this update? tar-1.22 is in F-11. It should be no problem to get a version in F-10. I'll be happy to do it, presuming that the package owner grants me sufficient privilege to do so. John I may have been premature with this squawk John, both Dustin and I miss-read the tar ChangeLog, and that option IS in 1.20 unless fedora removed it when they built it for the rpm in the repos. Can anyone answer that detail please? AFAICT it is there. Hth...? John -- John W. LinvilleLinux should be at the core linvi...@redhat.com of your literate lifestyle. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: useradd and the default group
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 14:42:32 +, Carl D. Roth r...@ursus.net wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:29:41 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: So from a UNIX programming perspective, then, a test for group membership is then: 1. is the user listed in the group membership list OR 2. is the user's primary group equal to the target gid That's not how it is done. Processes have a group list associated with them. That list plus the gid are the lists a process is in. The main affect is that group membership is determined when a process starts unless something unusual is done. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: shared libraries (not working ld.so.conf.d)
On Tuesday, Apr 14th 2009 at 05:20 -, quoth David Hl??ik: =Hello guys, = =I have patched my own libraries and override locations to them in ld.so.conf.d . = =Let's just see an example: = =[r...@david ld.so.conf.d]# cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/cairo-lcd-x86_64.conf =/usr/lib64/cairo-lcd = = =Now , when I will execute ldd to check for shared library dependencies : = =1) gnome-terminal = =[r...@david ~]# ldd /usr/bin/gnome-terminal |grep libcairo = libcairo.so.2 = /usr/lib64/cairo-lcd/libcairo.so.2 =(0x0032ef00) - OK = =this is totally ok and works as expected , but : = =2) gimp = =[r...@david ~]# ldd /usr/bin/gimp |grep libcairo = libcairo.so.2 = /usr/lib64/libcairo.so.2 (0x0032ee80) - =Totally WRONG = =this is wrong and looks for original library instead as it should. = =My question is : What is the cause of this problem? Does gimp and =others uses hard-linked libraries and ld.so.conf is for nothing?? = =Thanks in advance! =David Read the man page for ldconfig. You have to rerun it if you make changes. -- steveo at syslang dot net TMMP1 http://frambors.syslang.net/ Do you have neighbors who are not frambors? Steven W. Orr-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird
On 04/13/2009 03:13 PM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 13:41 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote: Providing a total count in all folders could be very costly. First, what about imap where you have a server that can store thousands of emails for you, then local folders. Take my case where I have over 150 local folders consisting of emails I have received over 20 years. Wouldn't it just be counting the totals from the index of each folder, not counting all the messages? Certainly more attractive to read the index files, but still costly. Remember that there also could be imap folders. Certainly tbird could keep a running count and update it as it fetch's the email. The show expanded columns in folder pane seems to be the closest it comes to what the OP wants. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the Live install of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will just come up, running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a regular install occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing de...@sharplabs.com wrote: A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the Live install of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will just come up, running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a regular install occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: useradd and the default group
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 14:42 +, Carl D. Roth wrote: On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:29:41 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 13Apr2009 16:28, Carl D. Roth r...@ursus.net wrote: | Can some one explain the following weird behavior with useradd? | # useradd -g mock -r -m -d /var/lib/mockuser mockuser | -- create a new 'mockuser' user that can be used to run /usr/bin/mock | # id mockuser | uid=494(mockuser) gid=491(mock) groups=491(mock) | # grep mock /etc/group | mock:x:491:roth | Hm, that's interesting, 'mockuser' is not in the 'mock' group. This can | be verified using 'getgrent()'. If you look at /etc/passwd you will see the gid field there is mock (494). Eg: $ grep cameron /etc/passwd cameron:x:1000:1000::/home/cameron:/bin/zsh The -g option to useradd specifies the primary group, which is recorded in the passwd file, not the group file. A UNIX user has a primary group which comes from the passwd file and secondary groups which come from the group file. Absent the setgid bit on a directory, new files and directories a process makes get their group ownership from the primary group. _Access_ (open, cd, etc) is governed by uid and all the groups. So from a UNIX programming perspective, then, a test for group membership is then: 1. is the user listed in the group membership list OR 2. is the user's primary group equal to the target gid That seems strange; it means that the group file is not canonical for establishing group permissions. C Not strange at all. In this case from the view of the group file some othere user had that group rpeviosuly as its primary group so thew group file just lists those users in the group. In this case the user entry just added will appear second in the group file entry.. Seems ok to me. -- === Why do seagulls live near the sea? 'Cause if they lived near the bay, they'd be called baygulls. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
I wouldn't presume to tell Alan Cox what to do, either, and I don't think I did. Apologies if it came across that way. Hugh Message: 10 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:32:41 -0700 From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com Subject: Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 1239737561.13027.828.ca...@lin-workstation.azapple.com Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 11:58 -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: Guess I'll just go look at Youtube with my javascript DOM/SVG viewer and ... wait ;) Personally, I think if Alan Cox contacted the head Linux programmer at Adobe that would be helpful. I also think you guys (we) are winning the Open Source versus proprietary war, slowly but surely. At the moment, that doesn't make my Linux desktop experience suck much less. as a counterpoint but probably unhelpful is my opinion that... - every time I go to youtube.com, the stuff works fine. - I no longer get the race conditions FF 3.07/Fedora 10 but when I had problems with FF, they always seemed to be related to AdobeReader plugin in FF which I just simply removed and my problems went away. PDF files downloaded and AdobeReader opened in its own memory space instead of within Firefox. - I'm using KDE 4.x on Fedora 10 and I don't think the Linux desktop experience sucks at all. - I don't tell Alan Cox what to do about anything and I wouldn't expect him to listen to me if I did. Craig -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 12:44 -0800, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing de...@sharplabs.com wrote: A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the Live install of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will just come up, running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a regular install occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. That is one answer but the way I remember it when the Live version boots there is a icon on the screen that says essentially install the version fro the Live CD (but not exactly in those words) -- === We'll pivot at warp 2 and bring all tubes to bear, Mr. Sulu! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing de...@sharplabs.com wrote: A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the Live install of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will just come up, running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a regular install occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? Dean -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: Qt applications show corrupted fonts after upgrade
Kevin Kofler wrote: wwp wrote: qt-4.5.0-10.fc10.i386 Please use fedora-test-list for test upgrades next time. This appears to be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490377 We've identified vrgb and vgbr font hinting to be broken when built against freetype with FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING . Looks like we've been able to fix this in new qt-4.5.0-14 builds coming soon. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 11:23 -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: Proprietary is here; we need to deal with it. Yes, but because of its nature, we only have few ways to deal with it. If we're lucky, it works. If we're not, it doesn't, and we probably can't do anything about it (we can only do workarounds if we know how to use it, even if we don't know how it works, and some things just don't give you all the information you need). If we're more unlucky, we can't do a damn thing about it. Now, my own point is that a single Linux user has about zip power to influence Adobe. I think Redhat and to a lesser extent the Mozilla organization has a lot more. There should be direct talks between these commercial operations about problems like these, and if there have been, it'd be nice to know. I wouldn't be surprised if Redhat, et al, have tried to deal with closed source companies. I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't have a great deal of luck, either. Also, Firefox allows a single bad plugin to make the brower unusable. Maybe it shouldn't do that? Seems to me there's a legitimate argument to be made there. Yes, though you're chatting to the wrong people, now. That's a Firefox issue, and you'd need to take it up with them. Have a look at Google's browser. Or, since it's not for Linux, have a look at what they say about their browser: Tabs run as independent processes. One can't crash the other. You can kill one without stuffing up the others, etc. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing de...@sharplabs.com wrote: A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the Live install of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will just come up, running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a regular install occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? There are a few differences: * The Live CD is a CD (obviously). You can run it directly or from a USB stick (if your machine has no optical drive, as most netbooks don't). * Running the Live CD lets you check that the basic hardware (video card, networking etc.) will work acceptably before installing. And you can run it without touching your hard disk if you still haven't made up your mind. * The distro DVD might be a lot harder for some people to download simply because it's much larger. Also, it's *not* a live system. It's for installation or rescue. * Once you install from the Live CD you'll get a smaller system (e.g. Gnome or KDE but not both, no Open Office etc. etc.) and will then have to add stuff you want via yum. * The DVD version will already have most of what you need (all the same the first thing you should do after installation is to run yum update.) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? More or less... If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? Smaller disc to download, in the first place. But if you want more than it provides, there's more to download later on. However, since there's probably been a load of updates since the disc was created, you may face that anyway, when you do an update after the install. NB: The live disc is only a test of whether a system can boot the live disc. I've used systems which worked fine on a hard drive install, but not on the live disc. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/14 Dean S. Messing de...@sharplabs.com: If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? Dean The best thing about live CDs are they are small downloads and you can choose a spin that you want. For example if you prefer XFCE you need not bother about installing Gnome or KDE stuff that you don't need. There is one downside though, you don't get to choose the packages in the live CD that gets installed. So if you want to exclude any of the packages, you have to remove it once everything is installed. (not sure about this part, so correct me if I am wrong) And a few cautionary remarks: 1. Make sure you have enough RAM in your system. Live CDs don't do well with systems with a small RAM. 2 gigs is okay imo. 2. If you have a very new graphics card (like my HD4870), GUI _won't_ work. You would need to do a text install. (No scares, I found console graphics pretty cool and easy to navigate through) Thats it. And a good hearty welcome to your friend. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird
Tim: Wouldn't it just be counting the totals from the index of each folder, not counting all the messages? Jerry Feldman: Certainly more attractive to read the index files, but still costly. Remember that there also could be imap folders. I suppose it would depend on the IMAP server. Do some keep their own indexes? I can't see any evidence of Dovecot doing that when it's storing mail in mailspool files. I would have thought a mail client would have been keeping a running count, adding to it as it goes along. Though, if you used two different clients, at different times, that wouldn't work. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Running gparted from Live CD
After installing F10 on my netbook I decided to reorganize the partitions to gain space for Fedora and reduce that available to Windows. I booted the Live CD (actually a Live USB pendrive) and used yum to install gparted on the running system. However gparted won't let me move the extended hd partition where I installed Fedora. It claims that at least one of the sub-partitions is mounted, but I can't see it listed under 'mount' and don't understand how it can be mounted if I'm running from the pendrive and haven't explicitly mounted it myself. Any thoughts? poc PS I also tried the live gparted download but it has video problems on this machine and is unusable. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing de...@sharplabs.com wrote: A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the Live install of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will just come up, running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a regular install occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? There are a few differences: * The Live CD is a CD (obviously). You can run it directly or from a USB stick (if your machine has no optical drive, as most netbooks don't). * Running the Live CD lets you check that the basic hardware (video card, networking etc.) will work acceptably before installing. And you can run it without touching your hard disk if you still haven't made up your mind. * The distro DVD might be a lot harder for some people to download simply because it's much larger. Also, it's *not* a live system. It's for installation or rescue. * Once you install from the Live CD you'll get a smaller system (e.g. Gnome or KDE but not both, no Open Office etc. etc.) and will then have to add stuff you want via yum. Open Office 3 is included. * The DVD version will already have most of what you need (all the same the first thing you should do after installation is to run yum update.) poc Fedora 10 Release Notes regarding installation and live-CD: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Dean S. Messing wrote: Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? I guess you see the system running on the CD - or in my case, the USB stick - and this gives you some confidence that it will transfer to the hard disk without too much hassle. Installing directly from the DVD requires an act of faith which in my case I do not have. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 hogging 90% CPU, can anything be done about this?
2009/4/14 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 11:23 -0700, Hugh Caley wrote: Proprietary is here; we need to deal with it. snip I wouldn't be surprised if Redhat, et al, have tried to deal with closed source companies. They must have done or still do: Name : flash-plugin Repo : rhel-i386-client-supplementary-5 Name : acroread Repo : rhel-i386-client-supplementary-5 (For the uninitiated, those are Red Hat provided official packages for Adobe Flash and Adobe Acrobat Reader for Red Hat Enterprise Linux) To get the rights to package and distribute those, they must at least have a working (or commercial) relationship with Adobe. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Dean S. Messing wrote: Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? I guess you see the system running on the CD - or in my case, the USB stick - and this gives you some confidence that it will transfer to the hard disk without too much hassle. Installing directly from the DVD requires an act of faith which in my case I do not have. -- Timothy Murphy That just gives you false confidence. Unfortunately, hard drive and video problems still lurk. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running gparted from Live CD
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: After installing F10 on my netbook I decided to reorganize the partitions to gain space for Fedora and reduce that available to Windows. I booted the Live CD (actually a Live USB pendrive) and used yum to install gparted on the running system. However gparted won't let me move the extended hd partition where I installed Fedora. It claims that at least one of the sub-partitions is mounted, but I can't see it listed under 'mount' and don't understand how it can be mounted if I'm running from the pendrive and haven't explicitly mounted it myself. Any thoughts? poc PS I also tried the live gparted download but it has video problems on this machine and is unusable. Dumb question - do you have a swap partition on the extended partition? The live-CD may be using it if you do. Try running swapon -s. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: openvpn - urgent help requested!
Timothy Murphy wrote: I should say that the setting about allows me to ping from my laptop to my home server, not in the reverse direction. However, I cannot think of any reason I would want to do the reverse, so that does not worry me. Apologies, this was sent several days after the event, having lived unnoticed in my Outbox. In fact, openvpn is running in both directions. And far from being pointless, it is in fact both rewarding and useful to be able to ssh 192.168.5.10 and find I am in a different country. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Problems with system-config-printer and system-config-display (Fedora 10)
Greetings, everyone. I am writing to ask advice for system-config-display and system-config-printer. In the past, I had no trouble running these commands. Within the last 3 days, I bought a new flat-screen monitor and tried to install a new printer. When I ran system-config display and system-config-printer, I got the following error messages: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-printer/system-config-printer.py, line 30, in module import dbus ImportError: No module named dbus Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 34, in module import rhpxl.videocard File /usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/rhpxl/videocard.py, line 18, in module import dbus ImportError: No module named dbus I have what look like dbus.py modules for various applications: This is from locate dbus.py: /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.pyc /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.pyo /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/pkdbus.py /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/pkdbus.pyc /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/packagekit/pkdbus.pyo I don't know what the problem could be? Perhaps a version inconsistency in python itself versus this module? I used yum to reinstall both packages, but still came up with the same error messages. Does anyone have a clue as to what I'm doing wrong here? Thanks, Baz bryan (dot) zimmer (at) comcast (dot) net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
On 04/10/2009 09:51 AM, Tim wrote: If you're a moderately old-timer, you can do hex to binary in your head. If you're even older, you can do octal to decimal, and vice versa. For extra brownie points, you know EBCDIC in your head. ;-) I used to and I still have one of my old IBM cards. And as with Rick, I also had a DEC Alpha. Never likes the MicroVax, but I once worked on PDP-11 serial number 2 (named Gollem on Decnet in Spitbrook Road). My original desktop system was an Apple II (with a manual partially handwritten by Woz). -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Goto [Was Re: Chown ???]
On 04/10/2009 11:32 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: The purpose of deprecating use of goto was to avoid the spaghetti code that was so prevalent, especially in C. spaghetti code is not limited to any language. You can write bad, unreadable code in any computer language. At the time Structured programming really targeted COBOL which was the primary business programming language. Try the following statement in COBOL (sorry for upper case, but that was all we had): ALTER R5RETURN to goto FOO FOO. : R5RETURN. GOTO I had several COBOL programs that had been converted from IBM assembler to Burroughs COBOL. What the alter was was essentially an IBM assember subroutine call using the BALR (Branch and Link Register). I loved it, the old-time Burroughs programmers hated that code, but I knew IBM assembler and was not intimidated by this. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems with system-config-printer and system-config-display (Fedora 10)
Bryan Zimmer writes: Greetings, everyone. I am writing to ask advice for system-config-display and system-config-printer. In the past, I had no trouble running these commands. Within the last 3 days, I bought a new flat-screen monitor and tried to install a new printer. When I ran system-config display and system-config-printer, I got the following error messages: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-printer/system-config-printer.py, line 30, in module import dbus ImportError: No module named dbus Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 34, in module import rhpxl.videocard File /usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/rhpxl/videocard.py, line 18, in module import dbus ImportError: No module named dbus I have what look like dbus.py modules for various applications: This is from locate dbus.py: /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.pyc /usr/lib/yum-plugins/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.pyo These are yum plugins. You want these: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.pyc /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.pyo These packages are installed by dbus-python. The system-config-display package has an explicit Requires: dbus-python, so somehow you got system-config-display installed without its required prerequisite: dbus-python. If you tried to reinstall system-config-display, it should tell you that you're missing dbus-python. pgpa5XdIEe6pC.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running gparted from Live CD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:32 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: After installing F10 on my netbook I decided to reorganize the partitions to gain space for Fedora and reduce that available to Windows. I booted the Live CD (actually a Live USB pendrive) and used yum to install gparted on the running system. However gparted won't let me move the extended hd partition where I installed Fedora. It claims that at least one of the sub-partitions is mounted, but I can't see it listed under 'mount' and don't understand how it can be mounted if I'm running from the pendrive and haven't explicitly mounted it myself. Any thoughts? poc PS I also tried the live gparted download but it has video problems on this machine and is unusable. Dumb question - do you have a swap partition on the extended partition? The live-CD may be using it if you do. Try running swapon -s. That was it. I turned off swapping and it's working like a dream. Many thanks. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: plea for tar-1.21
On Tuesday 14 April 2009, John W. Linville wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 02:58:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009, John W. Linville wrote: On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 01:14:42PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Please, either stabilize the device mapping (BTW, how did you do that when I didn't even reboot?) or give us a version of tar that can cope with it. According to the ChangeLog, it will take 1.21 to do that. Gene, Did you open a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com for this update? tar-1.22 is in F-11. It should be no problem to get a version in F-10. I'll be happy to do it, presuming that the package owner grants me sufficient privilege to do so. John I may have been premature with this squawk John, both Dustin and I miss-read the tar ChangeLog, and that option IS in 1.20 unless fedora removed it when they built it for the rpm in the repos. Can anyone answer that detail please? AFAICT it is there. Hth...? John Maybe John, maybe not. The next time fedora/udev, or the kernel, decides to re-enumerate the disks in this system is when I can say for sure. If it goes by without driving tar out of its mind when instructed to check level 1, 2, 3 or even 4 for backup levels, that will be good. However, I just recently had a situation where all 4 of the levels it normally checks the estimates of when planning this backup session, were all reported to be the same size as a level 0. There is no way in tuncket that 95GB of data is gonna fit on a 20GB tape the only thing I can do is fire off a script that runs as many as 8 backups in a row each time I run it, just to get caught back up. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Whether you can hear it or not, The Universe is laughing behind your back. -- National Lampoon, Deteriorata -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Thanks to all (to many to name individually) for the helpful answers! My colleague may be a new member soon. Dean -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Hello, Still I am a little bewildered. I googled and read about it; still here is my dillema: there are 2 options which I consider: 1) running gparted from a Linux LiveCD, freeing space from the vista partition. then rebooting, making sure window vista can start, and then installing Linux on the freed space. 2) resizing while installing Linux. Suppose I have the rescue window CDs. which options is better ? Regards, Mark On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? gparted should work but things to consider... Fedora 10 installer can resize NTFS partition on the fly when installing. Gparted might be a bit easier (assuming that you make a boot CD). If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. Leave any utility partitions alone, i.e. re-installation partitions etc. so if necessary, you could reinstall Windows. After resizing, Windows will run a full repair on the next boot up, be prepared to allow the time. Windows XP seems to require at least 12 Gigabytes with current SP3 and Vista likely needs more. 20 should be OK. If space is not an issue, 24 or 32 Gigabytes might be safer, especially if your need to use Windows increases. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
picture book update
In summary, we need to separate CONTENT CREATION and DISTRIBUTION into two separate tasks. CONTENT CREATION We need to read over their file creation guide as well as their cover template generator, and their color cover/interior suggestions/guidelines. The sales guy basically said that our job is to deliver them a .pdf file, so anything we use to create content that can spit out a .pdf is going to be ok, but he urged us to read those documents to be sure. We can choose 7x10, 8x10, or 8.5x11 as the trim size. They are mailing a sample of their work to Red Hat in Raleigh, where I will be next week to take a look at it. DISTRIBUTION SETUP FEE -- $75 PROOF FEE -- $15 + $.09 per page = $22.20 1-49 copies:$9.50 each 50-99 copies: $9.025 each 100-249 copies: $8.55 each 250-499 copies: $7.60 each 500+ copies:$7.125 each 200 copies will run us $1807.20 plus tax ($9.04 each) 300 copies will run us $2377.20 plus tax ($7.92 each) 400 copies will run us $3137.20 plus tax ($7.84 each) 500 copies will run us $3659.70 plus tax ($7.32 each) We can either (a) do whatever we want with the books or (b) do whatever we want with some of the books and put the others on Amazon, etc. = My recommendation is that we continue working to produce the book, and assuming that the quality of their sample is good, we go with LSI. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting Today 2009.04.14 @ 20.00UTC / 4 Eastern
Hey All, We will have our weekly meeting today, April 14th, 2009, at 20.00 UTC which is 4pm Eastern and 1 Pacific, in #fedora-meeting. We are coming up on the preview release and we need to begin ramping up to the release. Jack -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing idea mandatory for everybody
I love the idea, but I think we should have something not graphically F11 related so we can always use them. +1 Jack Gerold Kassube wrote: Hello everybody out there, what do you think about name plates like https://kermit.homelinux.net/misc/nameplate.jpg ? I would like to see every Ambassador with such a name plate (around the world) at the Release Parties, Talks, Events and btw. at Linuxtag, Fedora related Speakers from LinuxTag and FUDCon will have such a name plate :-) Can I have your vote for a mandatory Standard name plate for the Release Cycle of F11? -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing idea mandatory for everybody
Am Dienstag, den 14.04.2009, 16:52 -0400 schrieb Jack Aboutboul: I love the idea, but I think we should have something not graphically F11 related so we can always use them. ^^ right; name and Fedora LOGO, but after 10 Events you always look boring :-) With a lets call it Release name Plate for half a year your looking interesting because maybe somebody remember you with a (F6) Bubble-name Plate from years ago ... imho should be a standard creation item for the Art Team ... +1 Jack Gerold Kassube wrote: Hello everybody out there, what do you think about name plates like https://kermit.homelinux.net/misc/nameplate.jpg ? I would like to see every Ambassador with such a name plate (around the world) at the Release Parties, Talks, Events and btw. at Linuxtag, Fedora related Speakers from LinuxTag and FUDCon will have such a name plate :-) Can I have your vote for a mandatory Standard name plate for the Release Cycle of F11? -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: gerol...@fedoraproject.org 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
I'm Out!!
Hey Everyone, I will be out tomorrow and Thursday, returning on Friday. If anyone needs help with anything, please direct your questions to either Max Spevack, mspev...@redhat.com, or Steven Moix, steven.m...@axianet.ch. Thanks, Jack -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing idea mandatory for everybody
Am Dienstag, den 14.04.2009, 22:46 +0200 schrieb Gerold Kassube: Hello everybody out there, what do you think about name plates like https://kermit.homelinux.net/misc/nameplate.jpg ? I would like to see every Ambassador with such a name plate (around the world) at the Release Parties, Talks, Events and btw. at Linuxtag, Fedora related Speakers from LinuxTag and FUDCon will have such a name plate :-) Can I have your vote for a mandatory Standard name plate for the Release Cycle of F11? +1 :) -- Dominic Hopf dma...@gmail.com http://dominichopf.de/ Key Fingerprint: A7DF C4FC 07AE 4DDC 5CA0 BD93 AAB0 6019 CA7D 868D signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Smolt in Mandriva
Hi After Fedora and OpenSUSE, Mandriva also has Smolt now though not yet used by default http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/mandriva/smolt-in-mandriva.html Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
rpms/perl-File-Pid/devel perl-File-Pid.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: iarnell
Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-File-Pid/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv11927/devel
Modified Files:
.cvsignore sources
Added Files:
perl-File-Pid.spec
Log Message:
initial import
--- NEW FILE perl-File-Pid.spec ---
Name: perl-File-Pid
Version:1.01
Release:1%{?dist}
Summary:Pid File Manipulation
License:GPL+ or Artistic
Group: Development/Libraries
URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/File-Pid/
Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/C/CW/CWEST/File-Pid-%{version}.tar.gz
BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
BuildArch: noarch
BuildRequires: perl(Class::Accessor::Fast) = 0.19
BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
Requires: perl(Class::Accessor::Fast) = 0.19
Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo
$version))
%description
This software manages a pid file for you. It will create a pid file,
query the process within to discover if it's still running, and remove
the pid file.
%prep
%setup -q -n File-Pid-%{version}
%build
%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
make %{?_smp_mflags}
%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
%{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
%check
make test
%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
%files
%defattr(-,root,root,-)
%doc Changes README
%{perl_vendorlib}/*
%{_mandir}/man3/*
%changelog
* Fri Apr 10 2009 Iain Arnell 1.01-1
- Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77.
Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-File-Pid/devel/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2
--- .cvsignore 14 Apr 2009 04:50:15 - 1.1
+++ .cvsignore 14 Apr 2009 14:25:26 - 1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+File-Pid-1.01.tar.gz
Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-File-Pid/devel/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2
--- sources 14 Apr 2009 04:50:15 - 1.1
+++ sources 14 Apr 2009 14:25:26 - 1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+d927b40215cbfbff233d9feb53529532 File-Pid-1.01.tar.gz
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