Re: Kernel-firmware package and Anaconda.

2009-05-07 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr  1, 2009, Bram_Gro  wrote:

> For those (like me) who wish to avoid proprietary firmware, they have
> been moved since Fedora 10 into a single package called kernel-firmware.
> Can I uncheck this kernel-firmware package during the custom
> installation process within Anaconda, or is this done otherwise?

No, the kernel packages depend on kernel-firmware, and the kernel
package itself contains non-Free firmware and microcode.

Besides, both kernel and kernel-firmware contain Free Software too,
which you presumably wouldn't want to remove.

Your best bet to avoid non-Free Software from Fedora is probably to
resort to Freed-ora Linux-libre builds, available from
http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/, and to exclude *-firmware and
microcode_ctl from the Fedora repositories.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 08 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>> Unforch Arther, it hasn't made a peep since.  But I haven't hit the MSM
>> news sites yet either.  Probably need to reboot just so things can find
>> each other again I suppose.  Did you reboot?
>
>I can't say that I remember, but that probably wouldn't hurt. Once you
>do that, try `speaker-test` to see if you hear anything. you may have
>to adjust your sound volume levels.

I just did reboot, then went to the multimedia setup & tested things & put 
what worked best at the top of the list.  I still haven't heard but a very 
plaintive boinc from kmail announcing new mail though.  I may not have it 
configured correctly either, and its getting late.  Thanks Arther.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Unforch Arther, it hasn't made a peep since.  But I haven't hit the MSM news
> sites yet either.  Probably need to reboot just so things can find each other
> again I suppose.  Did you reboot?

I can't say that I remember, but that probably wouldn't hurt. Once you
do that, try `speaker-test` to see if you hear anything. you may have
to adjust your sound volume levels.

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Re: Bad Key ID, Trying to Update Fedora 11 Beta

2009-05-07 Thread Marc Ferguson
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Marc Ferguson wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm having a problem updating my beta copy of Fedora 11. I've got about
> 500+ packages ready to be updated, but I'm running into an error.  Can
> someone help me figure this out?  Thanks.
>
> I did a YUM UPDATE and this was my result after a long list of items:
>
>
> Transaction Summary
>
> ===
> Install 16 Package(s)
> Update 512 Package(s)
> Remove   0 Package(s)
>
> Total size: 759 M
> Is this ok [y/N]: y
> Downloading Packages:
> error: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 signature: BAD, key ID
> d22e77f2
>
>
> Problem opening package m17n-db-tamil-1.5.4-2.fc11.noarch.rpm
>
>
> --
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>
> www.fergytech.com
> Registered Linux User: #410978
>
> "When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff!"
>
>
I just tried "yum update --nogpgcheck" based on a forum entry (
https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=threaded&order=ASC&topic_id=69062&forum=11&move=next&topic_time=1237827074)
and I got this error.

Transaction Summary
===
Install 16 Package(s)
Update 512 Package(s)
Remove   0 Package(s)

Total size: 759 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Running rpm_check_debug
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 509 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 392 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 372 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 736 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#  30 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 736 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 252 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 372 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 509 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 736 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 252 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 372 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 509 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 736 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 252 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 372 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 509 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 736 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 252 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 372 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 252 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 372 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 509 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 736 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 220 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 252 Header V3 RSA/SHA256
signature: BAD, key ID d22e77f2
error: rpmdbN

Bad Key ID, Trying to Update Fedora 11 Beta

2009-05-07 Thread Marc Ferguson
Hi Folks,

I'm having a problem updating my beta copy of Fedora 11. I've got about 500+
packages ready to be updated, but I'm running into an error.  Can someone
help me figure this out?  Thanks.

I did a YUM UPDATE and this was my result after a long list of items:


Transaction Summary
===
Install 16 Package(s)
Update 512 Package(s)
Remove   0 Package(s)

Total size: 759 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
error: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 signature: BAD, key ID
d22e77f2


Problem opening package m17n-db-tamil-1.5.4-2.fc11.noarch.rpm


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett 
>>
>> wrote:
 On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
>> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for
>> lack of configuration tools.
>
>That's either
>1.  configuration issue
>2.  audio driver support/bug
>3.  pulseaudio bug
>
>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>
>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>yum remove pulseaudio
>
>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>
>-- Rex

 Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I
 don't see near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth,
 nearly everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they
 sound like they are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room,
 not this one.

 With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus
 mainboard, and an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently
 it has found an audio system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I
 suppose kde's output is miss- directed somehow.  But, I removed the
 module build for all the others except for the audigy2 thinking that
 would force everything to use the audigy2.  No effect other than a
 constant nag from kde asking if I want it to forget the other stuff, and
 I click yes & check the don't nag me again box.  But it does, everytime
 I startx.  I even have jack installed and have played the 10,000 monkeys
 thing configuring it, nothing helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.
>>>
>>>I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
>>>I just removed PulseAudio.
>>
>> I just tried that too Arther, and yum looked like it only removed that
>> which it needed to remove, unlike the last time (F8 then) when it wanted
>> to remove most of X/KDE.
>>
>> So we'll see, but haven't tested much yet.
>>
>> Thanks for the nudge to try it again.
>
>Cool. I know for sure it works for me. So I hope it works as well for you.
>
Unforch Arther, it hasn't made a peep since.  But I haven't hit the MSM news 
sites yet either.  Probably need to reboot just so things can find each other 
again I suppose.  Did you reboot?
>
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Re: f10dvd installs but won't boot

2009-05-07 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 19:40 -0700, jackson byers wrote:
> Craig responded:
> 
> boot F10 in runlevel 3
> login as root
> yum update mkinitrd
> yum update
> yum install system-config-display
> system-config-display --reconfig
> 
> If you do all that, can run 'startx' and be happy, I suppose you are
> good.
> 
> Craig
> 
> jbyers:
> all went ok except last,
> system-config-display --reconfig
>  which fails with
> 
> Couldn't start X server on card 0
> Error, failed to start X server.
> 
> tried it twice
>  once still using old kernel
>  once using new kernel
> 
> same result on both
> 
> the stanza does work now without scsimodescan
> 
> ie here is the new stanza, with new kernel,
> as modified by me to remove scsimodscan
> title Fedora (2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686) noscsimodescn
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686 ro 
> root=UUID=449a78aa-
> d4d5-4e91-bf9c-5833d7218c8f  3
> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686.img
> 
> this again allows booting to level 3
> so Craig's  update method has cured that problem.
> 
> I also did
> useradd byers
> passwd byers
> 
> and
> yum install emacs
> so at least i have a text editor i understand.
> 
> Any ideas on the failing X server?
> 

not really but /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.setup.log should be
able to tell you/us what the problem is. If you do post the Xorg.0.log
to the list, you might want to also include output of 'lspci -v' too

Craig


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Re: f10dvd installs but won't boot

2009-05-07 Thread jackson byers
Craig responded:

boot F10 in runlevel 3
login as root
yum update mkinitrd
yum update
yum install system-config-display
system-config-display --reconfig

If you do all that, can run 'startx' and be happy, I suppose you are
good.

Craig

jbyers:
all went ok except last,
system-config-display --reconfig
 which fails with

Couldn't start X server on card 0
Error, failed to start X server.

tried it twice
 once still using old kernel
 once using new kernel

same result on both

the stanza does work now without scsimodescan

ie here is the new stanza, with new kernel,
as modified by me to remove scsimodscan
title Fedora (2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686) noscsimodescn
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686 ro root=UUID=449a78aa-
d4d5-4e91-bf9c-5833d7218c8f  3
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686.img

this again allows booting to level 3
so Craig's  update method has cured that problem.

I also did
useradd byers
passwd byers

and
yum install emacs
so at least i have a text editor i understand.

Any ideas on the failing X server?

Jack

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Re: Adding Partitions

2009-05-07 Thread David
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> now I need to add that partition
> to /etc/fstab but now I get confused:
> I’ve never seen this UUID stuff before – how do I add my new partition to
> fstab?  I’ve been reading that UUID is related to the GPT but is there a way
> for me to add this partition?

man 5 fstab

and as root, run
blkid
which is part of the e2fsprogs package.

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Re: Adding Partitions

2009-05-07 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

>  Hi there…
>
>
>
> I’ve been reading through various docs but getting a bit lost – figure this
> must be fairly easy to explain ;)
>
>
>
> On my machine (Dell R710 Poweredge) I have 6 SAS drives running RAID5 via
> Perc 6/I controller.  To get Fedora 10 to install, I had to shrink the
> initial partition down so I thought I’d install with just this:
>
>
>
> Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
>
> /dev/sda2 10079084   1354216   8212868  15% /
>
> /dev/sda1   198337 19162168935  11% /boot
>
> tmpfs  4149532 0   4149532   0% /dev/shm
>
>
>
> Then I’ll take the remaining 4.8TB or so and mount them after installing.
> The install went fine now with the smaller partition to boot with….
>
>
>
> So, having not run Fedora for a bit, I thought I’d fire up FDISK but it
> tells me:
>
>
>
> WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk
> doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
>
>
>
> So I fire up parted and create a partition (weird that it only supports
> ext2 vs ext3).  That part seems to go fine and now I need to add that
> partition to /etc/fstab but now I get confused:
>
I thought that was a little weird so I looked it up, and you're correct,
parted does not support ext3 directly, however, the easiest thing to do is
create the partition in parted but format it from a regular shell i.e. "mkfs
-t ext3 /dev/sdX".

>
>
> UUID=8e37b3d8-a52f-4620-ad58-1ae79abd8b50 /   ext3
> defaults1 1
>
> UUID=74dfbed0-e91c-4d95-b09c-0b8eb9d96543 /boot   ext3
> defaults1 2
>
> tmpfs   /dev/shmtmpfs   defaults0 0
>
> devpts  /dev/ptsdevpts  gid=5,mode=620  0 0
>
> sysfs   /syssysfs   defaults0 0
>
> proc/proc   procdefaults0 0
>
> UUID=905ac254-05fb-4ca2-856d-01e05ee4a7d2 swapswap
> defaults0 0
>
>
>
> I’ve never seen this UUID stuff before – how do I add my new partition to
> fstab?  I’ve been reading that UUID is related to the GPT but is there a way
> for me to add this partition?
>
UUID is a way to uniquly identify a disk, partition, lvm, etc. It is never
supposed to change where your /dev entry might if you were to add disks,
rearrange, etc, and is now the standard way to reference storage media on
several linux distributions.

I know how to do if for a real disk or even LVM but not sure about a raid
array but the following link might work:
http://blog.mypapit.net/2008/04/linux-how-to-get-harddisk-uuid-number.html

>
>
> Also, what is the maximum partition size under Core 10?
>
Can't help you there.

>
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> Richard
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
>>> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack
> of configuration tools.

That's either
1.  configuration issue
2.  audio driver support/bug
3.  pulseaudio bug

none of which is solvable by additional software.

If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
yum remove pulseaudio

If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.

-- Rex
>>>
>>> Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't
>>> see near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly
>>> everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like
>>> they are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.
>>>
>>> With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard,
>>> and an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found
>>> an audio system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output
>>> is miss- directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the
>>> others except for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use
>>> the audigy2.  No effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I
>>> want it to forget the other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag
>>> me again box.  But it does, everytime I startx.  I even have jack
>>> installed and have played the 10,000 monkeys thing configuring it, nothing
>>> helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.
>>
>>I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
>>I just removed PulseAudio.
>>
> I just tried that too Arther, and yum looked like it only removed that which
> it needed to remove, unlike the last time (F8 then) when it wanted to remove
> most of X/KDE.
>
> So we'll see, but haven't tested much yet.
>
> Thanks for the nudge to try it again.


Cool. I know for sure it works for me. So I hope it works as well for you.


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Re: Selinux disallows read-only loop mount of a file, but only at boot [SOLVED]

2009-05-07 Thread David
For an alternative solution for the possible benefit of other readers
with similar issues,
http://www.city-fan.org/tips/SubsetRepositoriesFedora10
is "a guide to creating and using a base repository based on an ISO
image of the DVD" (distribution media), which contains relevant
information and is what I was attempting to do when I started this
thread.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>>>Gene Heskett wrote:
 While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
 with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack
 of configuration tools.
>>>
>>>That's either
>>>1.  configuration issue
>>>2.  audio driver support/bug
>>>3.  pulseaudio bug
>>>
>>>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>>>
>>>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>>>yum remove pulseaudio
>>>
>>>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>>>
>>>-- Rex
>>
>> Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't
>> see near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly
>> everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like
>> they are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.
>>
>> With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard,
>> and an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found
>> an audio system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output
>> is miss- directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the
>> others except for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use
>> the audigy2.  No effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I
>> want it to forget the other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag
>> me again box.  But it does, everytime I startx.  I even have jack
>> installed and have played the 10,000 monkeys thing configuring it, nothing
>> helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.
>
>I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
>I just removed PulseAudio.
>
I just tried that too Arther, and yum looked like it only removed that which 
it needed to remove, unlike the last time (F8 then) when it wanted to remove 
most of X/KDE.

So we'll see, but haven't tested much yet.

Thanks for the nudge to try it again.

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Re: Video Capture Software

2009-05-07 Thread Robert L Cochran
David Timms wrote:
> David Timms wrote:
>> Look at videodog, kino, mlt (in RPM Fusion RSN ?)
> Also cinelerra
> http://cinelerra.org/
>
> Currently in review at https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118
>
> But kwizart has it in kwizart repos:
> http://rpms.kwizart.net/fedora/10/i386/repoview/applications.multimedia.group.html
>
>
> DaveT.

Thank you for your help and advice with this. I'm going to give it a try
this weekend. I just picked up a brand new VCR from the friend I'm
helping with this project. Hopefully he bought a good one. This model
does have the cheap plastic feel. It's an Emerson EWV404, which only has
4 heads, but printed on the front panel is the phrase '19 micron head'.
We shall see if that means the unit is better than the Sony SLV-495.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>>Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
>>> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of
>>> configuration tools.
>>
>>That's either
>>1.  configuration issue
>>2.  audio driver support/bug
>>3.  pulseaudio bug
>>
>>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>>
>>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>>yum remove pulseaudio
>>
>>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>>
>>-- Rex
>
> Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't see
> near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly
> everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like they
> are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.
>
> With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard, and
> an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found an audio
> system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output is miss-
> directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the others except
> for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use the audigy2.  No
> effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I want it to forget the
> other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag me again box.  But it does,
> everytime I startx.  I even have jack installed and have played the 10,000
> monkeys thing configuring it, nothing helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.


I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
I just removed PulseAudio.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
>> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of
>> configuration tools.
>
>That's either
>1.  configuration issue
>2.  audio driver support/bug
>3.  pulseaudio bug
>
>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>
>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>yum remove pulseaudio
>
>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>
>-- Rex

Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't see 
near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly 
everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like they 
are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.

With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard, and 
an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found an audio 
system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output is miss-
directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the others except 
for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use the audigy2.  No 
effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I want it to forget the 
other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag me again box.  But it does, 
everytime I startx.  I even have jack installed and have played the 10,000 
monkeys thing configuring it, nothing helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.

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Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2009-05-07 Thread Mr Leslie Satenstein
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Re: Fedora 10: Problems occurred after cancelled the update

2009-05-07 Thread Li Wang
I still have this problem, does anyone has any idea?
Thank you very much!!!:D

> Hi everyone:
> I installed Fedora 10 on my 16G usb thumb disk by using Fedora 10 live
> CD, it is a real installation rather than live USB.
>
> Because the 'yum update' is too slow, I cancelled the process by press
> Ctrl+C, I actually did this 3 times, every time after I restarted and
> try to continue the update, it worked well.
>
> However, the fourth time I cancelled the update and came back again, I
> can not access the system, there is a login page, but it is strange. I
> has no user name on it, and the domain name is 'localhost.localdomian'
> rather than my own defined name. When I typed my user name and
> password manually, and try to login in, the system recgonised my login
> but only show me the blue background with nothing on it.
>
> Is there anyone knows how to figure out this problem?
>
> Thank you very much!:D
>
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Adding Partitions

2009-05-07 Thread Paul Stewart
Hi there.

 

I've been reading through various docs but getting a bit lost - figure this
must be fairly easy to explain ;)

 

On my machine (Dell R710 Poweredge) I have 6 SAS drives running RAID5 via
Perc 6/I controller.  To get Fedora 10 to install, I had to shrink the
initial partition down so I thought I'd install with just this:

 

Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on

/dev/sda2 10079084   1354216   8212868  15% /

/dev/sda1   198337 19162168935  11% /boot

tmpfs  4149532 0   4149532   0% /dev/shm

 

Then I'll take the remaining 4.8TB or so and mount them after installing.
The install went fine now with the smaller partition to boot with..

 

So, having not run Fedora for a bit, I thought I'd fire up FDISK but it
tells me:

 

WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk
doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.

 

So I fire up parted and create a partition (weird that it only supports ext2
vs ext3).  That part seems to go fine and now I need to add that partition
to /etc/fstab but now I get confused:

 

UUID=8e37b3d8-a52f-4620-ad58-1ae79abd8b50 /   ext3
defaults1 1

UUID=74dfbed0-e91c-4d95-b09c-0b8eb9d96543 /boot   ext3
defaults1 2

tmpfs   /dev/shmtmpfs   defaults0 0

devpts  /dev/ptsdevpts  gid=5,mode=620  0 0

sysfs   /syssysfs   defaults0 0

proc/proc   procdefaults0 0

UUID=905ac254-05fb-4ca2-856d-01e05ee4a7d2 swapswap
defaults0 0

 

I've never seen this UUID stuff before - how do I add my new partition to
fstab?  I've been reading that UUID is related to the GPT but is there a way
for me to add this partition?

 

Also, what is the maximum partition size under Core 10?

 

Thanks for your time,

 

Paul

 

 

 

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 07 May 2009 18:12:39 -0600
Dave Feustel wrote:

> I have Privoxy installed, along with FoxyProxy. I don't understand how
> they interact.

http://melvilletheatre.com/articles/squid-privoxy/index.html

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 06:08:58PM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Thu, 07 May 2009 13:34:21 -0400
> Dave Feustel wrote:
> 
> > I used to run with no animation in Konqueror and then switched to
> > Firefox with noScript which works very well, except that when scripts
> > are enabled, so are animations, which I dislike intensely.
> 
> Privoxy allows you to do this.

I have Privoxy installed, along with FoxyProxy. I don't understand how
they interact.

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 07 May 2009 13:34:21 -0400
Dave Feustel wrote:

> I used to run with no animation in Konqueror and then switched to
> Firefox with noScript which works very well, except that when scripts
> are enabled, so are animations, which I dislike intensely.

Privoxy allows you to do this.

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 05:33:18PM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote:
> Dave Feustel wrote:
>> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 04:37:56AM +0930, Tim wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:18 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
 Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?
>>> You can customise image.animation_mode preference in about:config
>>>
>> This looks very promising! How do I figure out what to set this to?
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries
>
> Quick answer -- "none", "once", or "normal" (the default).
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread David Burns
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram
wrote:

> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.

Tell me the home page of the software


http://ferret.wrc.noaa.gov/Ferret/



> and give me a brief description on
> what it does.


"Ferret is an interactive computer visualization and analysis environment
designed to meet the needs of oceanographers and meteorologists analyzing
large and complex gridded data sets."


 Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue.


There is an existing rubygem named ferret that is already a fedora package,
but that is a different project, some kind of search engine.

Thanks,
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Re: Preupgrade: Centralized Upgrade

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 04:53 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
> Without having to create a local mirror\repo.
> Is it possible for preupgrade to pool all Fedora PC's,
> on a lan.
> 
> Then download all needed for all boxes, (presto where possible).
> That way it could be more automated save multiple similar rpms,
> maybe I mean a server version?

A server version for preupgrade alone doesn't really make sense.
Preupgrade uses yum and there are some tricks for caching the packages
and metadata.

http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumMultipleMachineCaching

If none of this solves your problem, please file a request for
enhancement in http://bugzilla.redhat.com against preupgrade.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 05:30 PM, sankarshan wrote:
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram
>  wrote:
> 
>> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
>> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
>> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
>> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
>> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> Is it possible to have this on the wiki (after sufficient number of
> such applications have been discussed on the mailing list) ?

Yep. I am posting to other places as well but as the threads quieten
down, I will sweep up and post it somewhere.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 06:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work with 
> fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of 
> configuration tools.

I have no idea what the problem is but it is obviously completed
unrelated to the question and unlikely to be solved by adding more
software. So I guess a different post in a separate thread is in order.
Perhaps file a bug report or post to fedora-kde list.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 07:12 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:53 +0200, Axel wrote:
>> Homepage : http://www.kill-9.org/mbrowse/ (down at this moment)
> 
> I notice that sort of thing with a lot of packages.  You do a rpm -qi on
> them, and the package's homepage is dead, or links to a wrong page on
> their site.  It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
> if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.  One might
> think that the RPM building routine might check meta data about the
> package web address for 404s, or "no such domain" errors, and prompt for
> some human interaction.

There are some checks but for some software, there is no obvious home
page or the project upstream is dead but there are users for it. If
there is a updated homepage, file a bug report.

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Robert Nichols

Dave Feustel wrote:

On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 04:37:56AM +0930, Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:18 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:

Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?

You can customise image.animation_mode preference in about:config


This looks very promising! How do I figure out what to set this to?


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries

Quick answer -- "none", "once", or "normal" (the default).

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Re: f10dvd installs but won't boot

2009-05-07 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:45 -0700, jackson byers wrote:
> David:
> > My (differing) interpretation of the above is that he is reporting
> > success at reaching text login in f10. But like much of what he
> > writes, it is hard to be sure what he is actually saying.
> 
> Craig:
> it doesn't make sense that he can't boot from his F10 installation
> directly but chainload to his FC5 installation which gives him a boot
> menu that boots his F10 installation.
> 
> That almost begs to get the full copies of both /boot/grub/grub.conf and
> compare them.
> ==
> jbyers:
> sorry i wasnt clearer:
> 1) yes, I can get a root login to level 3
>to do this I had to boot back into fc5
>   (via the chainloader stanza in the f10 grub.conf)
>mount the f10 partition,
>   and use emacs to put in "3" end of kernel line in f10 grub.conf.
>   Then on rebooting, i get to f10 level 3 console login.
> 
> 2) so now that i can get that root login, what can i do with it?
>This f10 install was done using the minimum default choices
>so i dont even know what text editors available.
---
boot F10 in runlevel 3
login as root
yum update mkinitrd
yum update
yum install system-config-display
system-config-display --reconfig

If you do all that, can run 'startx' and be happy, I suppose you are
good.

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Re: f10dvd installs but won't boot

2009-05-07 Thread jackson byers
David:
> My (differing) interpretation of the above is that he is reporting
> success at reaching text login in f10. But like much of what he
> writes, it is hard to be sure what he is actually saying.

Craig:
it doesn't make sense that he can't boot from his F10 installation
directly but chainload to his FC5 installation which gives him a boot
menu that boots his F10 installation.

That almost begs to get the full copies of both /boot/grub/grub.conf and
compare them.
==
jbyers:
sorry i wasnt clearer:
1) yes, I can get a root login to level 3
   to do this I had to boot back into fc5
  (via the chainloader stanza in the f10 grub.conf)
   mount the f10 partition,
  and use emacs to put in "3" end of kernel line in f10 grub.conf.
  Then on rebooting, i get to f10 level 3 console login.

2) so now that i can get that root login, what can i do with it?
   This f10 install was done using the minimum default choices
   so i dont even know what text editors available.


3)let me try to correct above

Craig:
it doesn't make sense that he can't boot from his F10 installation directly
jbyers: i can to level 3,  see 1)

Craig: but chainload to his FC5 installation
jbyers: this is correct

Craig: which gives him a boot menu that boots his F10 installation.
jbyers: wrong, I am no longer using fc5  to boot into f10,
that was some time ago and attempts there
often hit " Error2 Bad file or directory"
which error I have never seen since using f10 in control of grub.

That Error2 I also found googling a similar case
 of Centos,f9   playing roles of my fc5,f10.
There the conclusion was that the older grub in centos,
somehow couldnt mount f9...
I concluded that if Centos,f9 couldnt play ball
then I was wasting my time  trying  fc5,f10

so, to repeat, I only use fc5 to enable editing f10 grub.conf
 if I cant do the editing within f10.


thanks much, David and Craig for ongoing response
Jack

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Re: what is "Document Viewer"?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> brian wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Sam & Georgi. I'm having a little PDF issue: ghostscript is
>>> complaining but Document Viewer is not. I needed to know that app is for
>>> debugging info. This is perfect.
>>
>> Yet another reason why programs should be named with their actual name in
>> the menus, not some generic name. :-/ This crap really needs to get fixed.
>>
> I think you have lost sight of the user here, the average user would see
> "evince" in a menu and have zero idea what it is and does.

None of us have any idea what the average Fedora is. Making decisions
based on a fictional user is not useful. You need to worry about the
users here and now, that are represented.

> It is a
> meaningless collections of vowels and consonants which are unrelated to the
> function. The name of the application should be available, but not at the
> expense of something useful to typical user.
>  document viewer (evince)
>  document viewer (xpdf)
> for examples.

Regardless of skill level, "document view" is not a useful search
term. Evince however is. Giving the user the ability to find
information, instead of assume it is more useful.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:17:31 -0700, Francis wrote:

> > It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
> > if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.
> 
> There are actually rules that don't permit such software to remain in
> Fedora,

Really? Rules actually? Or just recommendations related to dead projects
that suffer from a growing list of unfixed bugs/problems?

Please post the links to these Fedora rules.

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Re: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net

2009-05-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:40 -0700, Paul wrote:
> 
> You make some pretty heady assumptions here, including where you assume I am
> speaking on my own behalf about the process of upgrading a machine to a new
> version. I in fact do run Fedora on a number of machines, but that number is
> progressively decrementing. The only time I install Fedora on a box anymore
> is when a client absolutely requires something that is not available in
> RHEL/CentOS yet, such as the 'latest and greatest' (which too often is more
> late than great) web 2.0 fluff.
>
Well, most people, when they are not speaking on their own behalf,
tend to say so.

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RE: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net

2009-05-07 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:40 -0700, Paul wrote:

> You make some pretty heady assumptions here, including where you assume I am
> speaking on my own behalf about the process of upgrading a machine to a new
> version. I in fact do run Fedora on a number of machines, but that number is
> progressively decrementing. The only time I install Fedora on a box anymore
> is when a client absolutely requires something that is not available in
> RHEL/CentOS yet, such as the 'latest and greatest' (which too often is more
> late than great) web 2.0 fluff.
> 
> The point remains, despite your arguments, that all of the dependencies
> could be upgraded together at one time without changing to an entirely new
> release. The Fedora legacy project is not in any way comparable, because it
> was attempting to extend the life of old releases with far less resources
> than were being put into developing the 'latest and greatest'.
> 
> I can agree with you on only one thing, Fedora is not suitable for (the
> majority of) my needs, because I run systems that require much more
> stability and reliability than Fedora can provide and don't have time to
> waste on distro upgrades and fixing everything they break, often as much or
> more time that would, as you say, be wasted rebuilding and testing packages
> upgraded outside the "plan". Funny though, I spend significantly less time
> upgrading the OS on my RYO Linux box than I have ever had to spend fixing
> the problems caused by a Fedora release upgrade on any box, and I update it
> far more frequently than Fedora makes releases.

as you have no doubt noticed, there are a lot of different Linux
distributions with different goals in terms of package maintenance and
support.

Everyone has to decide what works best for their situation and it's
clear that different people have different needs.

Fedora clearly intends to be a 'leading edge' distribution and that does
indeed mean frequent upgrades to kernels, gcc, and other base packages
that do not necessarily lend themselves to simplified updates.

I gather that if you are rolling your own - i.e. an LFS type
installation you aren't all that eager to update gcc but hey, it's all
good.

Some people just upgrade Fedora releases via yum or preupgrade which
does update the entirety of the installed packages and has been
relatively easy for those who have enough familiarity with Linux but
clearly not for the average user.

I would agree with the point that where long term maintenance and
stability is desired, I use RHEL or CentOS rather than Fedora but my
desktop needs/wants/desires the leading edge.

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 04:37:56AM +0930, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:18 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> > Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?
> 
> You can customise image.animation_mode preference in about:config
> 
This looks very promising! How do I figure out what to set this to?

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Re: F9: http error_log issues

2009-05-07 Thread g
Daniel B. Thurman wrote:

> Perhaps therein lies the problem below?
> 
> How does one test Avahi integrity, without being forced to reinstall
> avahi and *many* other dependencies?

good question. run google linux "testing avahi" [with ""].

after having done some inet surfing, i would suggest that you do reinstall
and with latest version for security reasons.

and be sure you have version 0.6.23-15-9 or later.

see; http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/148555

another thing, being that you are f9 and f11 is on way, upgrade.

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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Mike Burger

> Mike Burger wrote:
>> Mikkel wrote:
>>> Or don't log in at all. Use scp to copy the file, and then ssh where
>>> it is set to run a command when you connect. (Use the
>>> comand="comand" format for the key.) One thing I am not sure of is
>>> if you can use the same key for scp when using the command= option.
>>
>> Well, is part of the openssh suite, and does/will use the same key as
>> the
>> ssh executable.
>>
>> I use keys to scp and ssh to run commands all the time, without having
>> to
>> pass passwords along, in order to automate processes, all the time.
>>
> I do the same. But I have never tried to use the private key that
> was tied to a command on the other machine with scp, so I do not
> know if scp will work with a key that is only allowed to run one
> program on the remote machine. (You can not "login" in using that
> key.) What I was thinking of was:
>
> scp file to remote machine
> ssh to remote machine witch triggers a command on the remote machine.
>
> From the sshd man page:
>
> command="command"
>Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key is
>used for authentication. The command supplied by the user
>(if any) is ignored.  The command is run on a pty if the
>client requests a pty; otherwise it is run without a tty.
>If an 8-bit clean channel is required, one must not request
>a pty or should specify no-pty. A quote may be included in
>the command by quoting it with a backslash. This option might
>be useful to restrict certain public keys to perform just a
>specific operation. An example might be a key that permits
>remote backups but nothing else. Note that the client may
>specify TCP and/or X11 forwarding unless they are explicitly
>prohibited. The command originally supplied by the client is
>available in the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND environment variable.
>Note that this option applies to shell, command or subsystem
>execution.

Ok...I see where you're going.

Well, he could just continue to go with the methodology he's currently
employing...use scp to copy the file over, then use ssh to run a command
(that command could be a script that runs a number of things, obviously)
or multiple commands (multiple ssh calls).

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RE: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net

2009-05-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:40 -0700, Paul wrote:
> I can agree with you on only one thing, Fedora is not suitable for
> (the majority of) my needs

So why are we having this discussion?

poc

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
Tim:
>> It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
>> if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.

Francis Earl:
> There are actually rules that don't permit such software to remain in
> Fedora, so file bugs when you come across something that hasn't been
> touched in such a long period. I agree there should be mechanisms
> around, but filing bugs is just as useful - even if it's more time
> consuming.

Sometimes you want such software, as it's the only thing that does it's
job, or is bug free and didn't need further work ;-), etc.  But part of
the build process red flagging such things could lead to user actions
such as removing dross from the repos, editing the RPM info to remove
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Re: what is "Document Viewer"?

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 11:59 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> for a brief description of what a menu entry does, you can put
> the mouse pointer on the entry and get a tool tip.

Sometimes you get really stupid descriptions in there.  e.g. The tooltip
for Amaya says "edit the web".

Gee!  Really?  Can I delete microsoft.com?

> On the other hand, adding an option to the right-click menu to read
> more about the application would be handy...

The desktop files used to populate the menus should have the proper
application name in the right place, a terse description in the right
place, and more details in the right place.  And a user menu option
ought to select what's shown.  e.g. select to show Names in menu, select
to show terse info in the same menu item, select whether the longer
detailed pop-ups do pop up, with the default to do the obvious name and
terse description.  e.g. "Amaya, web page editor."

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:18 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?

You can customise image.animation_mode preference in about:config

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Re: mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Chris Tyler
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:38 +0200, Guillaume CHARDIN wrote:
> Hi, maybe some scripting genius gonna help me :D
> 
> I need to move some file from one directory to other with some exclusions.
> Ex: move files from "/data/product/" to "/data/archives/2005" while
> the "*.dat" file/dirs stay in the right place.
> 
> $mv /data/product/* !(/data/product/*.dat) /data/archives/2005

Two solutions using mv and bash's glob control features:

$ shopt -s extglob# enable extended globbing
$ cd /data/product# effective on basenames only
$ mv !(*.dat) /data/archives/2005

Or

$ GLOBIGNORE='*.dat'  # tell bash to ignore *.dat
$ mv /data/product/* /data/archives/2005
$ unset GLOBIGNORE# revert to normal behavior

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread max
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 01:34:21PM -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:21:51PM -0400, Mike Burger wrote:
> > 
> > > Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > 
> > Uninstall the flashplayer plugin and disable javascript?
> > 
> > Seriously...what type of animations are you looking to disable?  Your
> > question doesn't provide nearly enough detail on what you're facing.
> > 
> 
> I used to run with no animation in Konqueror and then switched to
> Firefox with noScript which works very well, except that when scripts
> are enabled, so are animations, which I dislike intensely.
> 
> I would like to turn off all animations. but continue using NoScript.
> 
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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Mike Burger wrote:
> Mikkel wrote:
>> Or don't log in at all. Use scp to copy the file, and then ssh where
>> it is set to run a command when you connect. (Use the
>> comand="comand" format for the key.) One thing I am not sure of is
>> if you can use the same key for scp when using the command= option.
> 
> Well, is part of the openssh suite, and does/will use the same key as the
> ssh executable.
> 
> I use keys to scp and ssh to run commands all the time, without having to
> pass passwords along, in order to automate processes, all the time.
> 
I do the same. But I have never tried to use the private key that
was tied to a command on the other machine with scp, so I do not
know if scp will work with a key that is only allowed to run one
program on the remote machine. (You can not "login" in using that
key.) What I was thinking of was:

scp file to remote machine
ssh to remote machine witch triggers a command on the remote machine.

From the sshd man page:

command="command"
   Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key is
   used for authentication. The command supplied by the user
   (if any) is ignored.  The command is run on a pty if the
   client requests a pty; otherwise it is run without a tty.
   If an 8-bit clean channel is required, one must not request
   a pty or should specify no-pty. A quote may be included in
   the command by quoting it with a backslash. This option might
   be useful to restrict certain public keys to perform just a
   specific operation. An example might be a key that permits
   remote backups but nothing else. Note that the client may
   specify TCP and/or X11 forwarding unless they are explicitly
   prohibited. The command originally supplied by the client is
   available in the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND environment variable.
   Note that this option applies to shell, command or subsystem
   execution.

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Re: mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 17:38:47 +0200,
  Guillaume CHARDIN  wrote:
> Hi, maybe some scripting genius gonna help me :D
> 
> I need to move some file from one directory to other with some exclusions.
> Ex: move files from "/data/product/" to "/data/archives/2005" while
> the "*.dat" file/dirs stay in the right place.
> 
> $mv /data/product/* !(/data/product/*.dat) /data/archives/2005
> 
> 
> If you have a solution, please tell me :)

Look at building the list of files with 'find'. 'find' has a man page that
will describe options that can be used to do that. The -name option in
particular will be useful for your case.

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Re: FC10 and NDISwrapper

2009-05-07 Thread John W. Linville
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Jerry Feldman wrote:
> >Rather than screw with NDISWrapper, are you using a BroadCom NIC?
> >There is a native Broadcom driver in F10, but you need to load the 
> >firmware. There is a utility called b43-fwcutter you would use to do 
> >this from the Windows driver. In any case, it might be better for you to 
> >describe your wireless chip and Dell model. Note that NDISWrapper is 
> >bith a driver (ndiswrapper.ko) as well as a command.  But, in the case 
> >of Broadcom, it will conflict with the native driver.
> >
> Where do you D/L the firmware? Or even find the name of the firmware file 
> to try and dig it out of Windows? The wireless web site has numbers for the 
> firmware, but they haven't matched any filenames for most of the laptops 
> I've used.

The instructions seem fairly clear here:

http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmwareinstallation

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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:21:51PM -0400, Mike Burger wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?
> >
> > Thanks.
> 
> Uninstall the flashplayer plugin and disable javascript?
> 
> Seriously...what type of animations are you looking to disable?  Your
> question doesn't provide nearly enough detail on what you're facing.
> 

I used to run with no animation in Konqueror and then switched to
Firefox with noScript which works very well, except that when scripts
are enabled, so are animations, which I dislike intensely.

I would like to turn off all animations. but continue using NoScript.

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Re: FC10 and freeNX (solved)

2009-05-07 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 13:53 +0200, Nephilim wrote:
> Hello Craig,
> 
> you can solve your keyboard problem by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the 
> client system i. e. Ubuntu 8.10 or Ubuntu 9.04.
> 
> Add the following block to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
> 
>  cut (start) 
> Section "ServerFlags"
> Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"
> EndSection
>  cut (end) 
> 
> If your're using an other keyboard layout than US, you may have to adjust the 
> keyboard "InputDevice" in xorg.conf, too. Add (or uncomment) a block like 
> this:
> 
>  cut (start) 
> # uncomment the following lines to use a
> # german pc keyboard layout
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
>   Driver  "kbd"
>   Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
>   Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
>   Option  "XkbLayout"  "de"
>   Option  "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch"
> EndSection
>  cut (end) 
> 
> After editing xorg.conf you have to restart your X-Server. On Ubuntu simply 
> logout out and in.
> 
> That's it.
> bye
>  Nephilim

good catch...indeed that does work!

I think I ended up doing some more than you suggested, I added...

Section "ServerFlags"
Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
Option  "AutoAddDevices" "false"
Option  "DontZap" "false"   
EndSection  

to my xorg.conf which research tells me turns off hal's automatically
adding devices which had me specifically defining both my keyboard and
mouse setups in xorg.conf (perhaps not necessary but I am gathering that
it was necessary).

The 'Option "DontZap" "false"' was added in anticipation of Fedora 11's
xorg.conf which will enable that feature automatically and will prevent
you from being able to kill X from the keyboard, I gather to solve some
incompatibility with emacs and perhaps some other software.

Thanks

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Re: what is "Document Viewer"?

2009-05-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bill Davidsen wrote:
> In a perfect world there would be a click to get a useful description
> off the menu. Until then "about" is a good thing to remember.
> 
> I find that I learn about a bunch of obscurely named packages by reading
> the packages released feed or newsgroup. The one paragraph description
> is enough to decide if a package might be useful, and wherever they come
> from it would be nice to have a package->description tool. Or maybe we
> do and I just haven't read about it yet. ;-)
> 
Well, for a brief description of what a menu entry does, you can put
the mouse pointer on the entry and get a tool tip. On the other
hand, adding an option to the right-click menu to read more about
the application would be handy...

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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Mike Burger

> Mike Burger wrote:
>>
>> Alternately, Dan ought to, instead of an expect script, use a non-root
>> user, key-based authentication (bypass the password), scp the conf file
>> to
>> the non-root user's homedir, and sudo to provide root level privs to
>> move
>> the conf file into place and restart NTP.
>>
> Or don't log in at all. Use scp to copy the file, and then ssh where
> it is set to run a command when you connect. (Use the
> comand="comand" format for the key.) One thing I am not sure of is
> if you can use the same key for scp when using the command= option.

Well, is part of the openssh suite, and does/will use the same key as the
ssh executable.

I use keys to scp and ssh to run commands all the time, without having to
pass passwords along, in order to automate processes, all the time.

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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Mike Burger wrote:
> 
> Alternately, Dan ought to, instead of an expect script, use a non-root
> user, key-based authentication (bypass the password), scp the conf file to
> the non-root user's homedir, and sudo to provide root level privs to move
> the conf file into place and restart NTP.
> 
Or don't log in at all. Use scp to copy the file, and then ssh where
it is set to run a command when you connect. (Use the
comand="comand" format for the key.) One thing I am not sure of is
if you can use the same key for scp when using the command= option.

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RE: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net

2009-05-07 Thread Paul
> -Original Message-
> From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com 
> [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel 
> L. Ellertson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:27 PM
> To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net
> 
> Paul wrote:
> > 
> > Not everyone is such a whiz that they can just go and do an 
> in-place 
> > upgrade of any given Linux distribution. Windoze is bad enough with 
> > things breaking on an upgrade, Fedora can be a nightmare, 
> and that is 
> > on a stock distro without manually updated or installed 
> packages. This 
> > is why I personally find the Fedora policy of tossing out a 
> new distro 
> > every so often and scrapping the one to or three places back so 
> > abhorrent. Have you seen the uproar M$ has gone through 
> over retiring 
> > XP? Responsible would be keeping one version and keeping it 
> patched as 
> > long as possible, not throwing out the baby, bathwater and 
> tub every 
> > six months. There is no actual need to do this, it is just a choice 
> > made by the Fedora maintainers, to do it this way rather 
> than make the 
> > individual updates to each package, kernel included, as 
> they are brought out by the developers, and tested for use in 
> the distro.
> > 
> > - Paul
> > 
> Paul,
>  If this type of upgrade is such a problem for you, then 
> maybe Fedora is not the correct distribution for you to be 
> running. There are many distributions that are not nearly as 
> fast paced. You have many choices. I believe that most of us 
> here are happy with the release policy of Fedora.
> 
> There are more then a few people here that run more then one 
> distribution. They run something like RedHat or CentOS for 
> systems that need long term stability. They run Fedora to see 
> one direction things may take in the future.
> 
> As far as updating individual packages, there is a problem 
> with that. Too many packages depend on each other - you may 
> need to rebuild many packages in order to up update one 
> package. Then you need to test the changed package. It is not 
> nearly as easy as you make it sound. Just ask the people that 
> maintained the Fedora Legacy  project...
> 
> When it comes to MS and the problems with retiring XP, the 
> cases are not comparable. You can run a different 
> distribution of Linux instead of Fedora and do the equivalent 
> of staying with XP.
> 
> Mikkel

You make some pretty heady assumptions here, including where you assume I am
speaking on my own behalf about the process of upgrading a machine to a new
version. I in fact do run Fedora on a number of machines, but that number is
progressively decrementing. The only time I install Fedora on a box anymore
is when a client absolutely requires something that is not available in
RHEL/CentOS yet, such as the 'latest and greatest' (which too often is more
late than great) web 2.0 fluff.

The point remains, despite your arguments, that all of the dependencies
could be upgraded together at one time without changing to an entirely new
release. The Fedora legacy project is not in any way comparable, because it
was attempting to extend the life of old releases with far less resources
than were being put into developing the 'latest and greatest'.

I can agree with you on only one thing, Fedora is not suitable for (the
majority of) my needs, because I run systems that require much more
stability and reliability than Fedora can provide and don't have time to
waste on distro upgrades and fixing everything they break, often as much or
more time that would, as you say, be wasted rebuilding and testing packages
upgraded outside the "plan". Funny though, I spend significantly less time
upgrading the OS on my RYO Linux box than I have ever had to spend fixing
the problems caused by a Fedora release upgrade on any box, and I update it
far more frequently than Fedora makes releases.

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Re: f10dvd installs but won't boot

2009-05-07 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:27 -0700, jackson byers wrote:
> > A. let it boot up until the screen disappears...
> > press 
> >
> > or
> >
> > B. Press a key at the grub prompt and highlight the kernel with the
> > arrow keys and press the letter 'e', move down to the kernel line and
> > press the letter 'e'. Add a space and put in the number "3" to tell it
> > to boot to runlevel 3
> > ---
> > jbyers:
> > A.   did not work, all it does is recover a blinking white  dash,
> >  no response to keyboard
> >
> > B. I got partway thru this, i think including adding "3", then  I did
> > something wrong
> >   left with
> .> grub>
> > I wasnt clear at this point  put in "boot"
> > got many error msgs
> >
> > I finally went back to my fc5   and put a space and a "3"  at end of kernel 
> > line
> > in the f10 grub.conf.
> > This got me to login
> >
> > I will try
> > yum update mkinitrd
> > yum update
> >
> > later today; I need my fc5 right now.
> 
> >>well, it won't do you any good since you are not getting past grub
> 
> >>at this point, I would probably...
> 
> >> boot the Install DVD, put the kernel argument into the boot command...
> 
>  >> linux install scsi_mod.scan=sync
> 
> >>Making /dev/sda1 about 200 megabytes for just /boot and then /dev/sda4
> for /
> 
> >>At least if you boot the DVD with the scsi_mod.scan=sync kernel
> >>parameter, when it installs the kernel and builds your initrd, it will
> >>build it with that parameter already.
> 
> >>Craig
> ---
> jbyers:
> I am not at all sure I did B. procedure correctly,
> so my not getting past grub could have been due to my error?
> And I do get to level 3 login using my modified f10 grub.conf
> 
> I will try at least f10 reinstall with "linux install scsi_mod.scan=sync"
> --won't get  to it until > noon pst.
> 
> Question on your sda1 for /boot, sda4  for /  :
> My experience using disk druid in the install is weak.
> I have used gparted from a   systemrescuecd
> and this seems pretty easy to use.
> 
> So from gparted i would
> 1)format current sda1 first? or not necessary?
> 2)Shrink sda1 from its current 21gb  down to 200mb.
> 3)new partition sda4, to start at end of new sda1
>   and to end at old sda1end
> this process will leave  present size, location of sda2,sda3 untouched?
> so in  order on  disk,   sda1,sda4,sda2,sda3  ?

yeah - that's sort of what I was thinking

You are only allowed 4 'primary' partitions and obviously sda2 & sda3
are to be left alone but if I recall correctly, one of them was your
'swap' partition which could be used by any Linux boot. It does seem to
me that the usage of diskdruid in anaconda (installer) is necessary just
to tell it which partitions to use (i.e. /dev/sda1 for /boot, /dev/sda3?
for swap and /dev/sda4 for /) so I don't know that you're getting much
value from gparted but suit yourself.

Craig


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rex Dieter
Gene Heskett wrote:


> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of
> configuration tools.

That's either 
1.  configuration issue
2.  audio driver support/bug
3.  pulseaudio bug

none of which is solvable by additional software.

If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
yum remove pulseaudio 

If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.

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Re: f10dvd installs but won't boot

2009-05-07 Thread jackson byers
> A. let it boot up until the screen disappears...
> press 
>
> or
>
> B. Press a key at the grub prompt and highlight the kernel with the
> arrow keys and press the letter 'e', move down to the kernel line and
> press the letter 'e'. Add a space and put in the number "3" to tell it
> to boot to runlevel 3
> ---
> jbyers:
> A.   did not work, all it does is recover a blinking white  dash,
>  no response to keyboard
>
> B. I got partway thru this, i think including adding "3", then  I did
> something wrong
>   left with
.> grub>
> I wasnt clear at this point  put in "boot"
> got many error msgs
>
> I finally went back to my fc5   and put a space and a "3"  at end of kernel 
> line
> in the f10 grub.conf.
> This got me to login
>
> I will try
> yum update mkinitrd
> yum update
>
> later today; I need my fc5 right now.

>>well, it won't do you any good since you are not getting past grub

>>at this point, I would probably...

>> boot the Install DVD, put the kernel argument into the boot command...

 >> linux install scsi_mod.scan=sync

>>Making /dev/sda1 about 200 megabytes for just /boot and then /dev/sda4
for /

>>At least if you boot the DVD with the scsi_mod.scan=sync kernel
>>parameter, when it installs the kernel and builds your initrd, it will
>>build it with that parameter already.

>>Craig
---
jbyers:
I am not at all sure I did B. procedure correctly,
so my not getting past grub could have been due to my error?
And I do get to level 3 login using my modified f10 grub.conf

I will try at least f10 reinstall with "linux install scsi_mod.scan=sync"
--won't get  to it until > noon pst.

Question on your sda1 for /boot, sda4  for /  :
My experience using disk druid in the install is weak.
I have used gparted from a   systemrescuecd
and this seems pretty easy to use.

So from gparted i would
1)format current sda1 first? or not necessary?
2)Shrink sda1 from its current 21gb  down to 200mb.
3)new partition sda4, to start at end of new sda1
  and to end at old sda1end
this process will leave  present size, location of sda2,sda3 untouched?
so in  order on  disk,   sda1,sda4,sda2,sda3  ?
Jack



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Re: Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Mike Burger

> Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?
>
> Thanks.

Uninstall the flashplayer plugin and disable javascript?

Seriously...what type of animations are you looking to disable?  Your
question doesn't provide nearly enough detail on what you're facing.


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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Mike Burger

> Dan Track wrote:
>> I appreciate this is OT but could someone just give me a little
>> advice, I've written this script to logon on each server then
>> restart the ntpd daemon. The problem I have is it only restarts the
>> daemon for the last server provided in the list, any ideas as to why
>> and how to fix it?
>
> While I'm not offering any help on why your expect script is failing
> you, I would say that if you have a need to ssh into multiple machines
> to copy config files and restart services, you should look into tools
> like func and puppet.  Func is perfect for quick, one-off commands.
> Puppet is better for complete configuration management.
>
> As a t-shirt from Reductive Labs¹, the makers of Puppet said, "SSH in a
> loop is _not_ a solution." ;)
>
> ¹ http://reductivelabs.com/images/Layouts.pdf

Alternately, Dan ought to, instead of an expect script, use a non-root
user, key-based authentication (bypass the password), scp the conf file to
the non-root user's homedir, and sudo to provide root level privs to move
the conf file into place and restart NTP.

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Turn off animations in Firefox

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox?

Thanks.

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Re: mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Rick Stevens

Guillaume CHARDIN wrote:

Hi, maybe some scripting genius gonna help me :D

I need to move some file from one directory to other with some exclusions.
Ex: move files from "/data/product/" to "/data/archives/2005" while
the "*.dat" file/dirs stay in the right place.

$mv /data/product/* !(/data/product/*.dat) /data/archives/2005


Try:

find /data/product -name "*.dat" -prune -exec mv \{\} \
/data/archives/2005 \;

You might try using "cp" instead of "mv", just to test it.  If it works,
then "find /data/product -name "*.dat" -exec rm -rf \{\} \;" to delete
the files.  Note that the target directory MUST exist before you run
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Re: mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Peter Langfelder
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Guillaume CHARDIN
 wrote:
>
> Hi, maybe some scripting genius gonna help me :D
>
> I need to move some file from one directory to other with some exclusions.
> Ex: move files from "/data/product/" to "/data/archives/2005" while
> the "*.dat" file/dirs stay in the right place.
>
> $mv /data/product/* !(/data/product/*.dat) /data/archives/2005
>
>
> If you have a solution, please tell me :)
> Thanks for your time.
>

No genius here, but a solution would be using rsync

rsync -auv --exclude='*.dat' --remove-source-files /data/product
/data/archives/2005/

replace the -avu with -avun for a dry (test) run. The disadvantage is
that files are copied, not moved, so it will take longer.

Alternatively, make a tmp directory somewhere, then

mv /data/product/*.dat /tmp
mv /data/product/* /data/archives/2005/
mv /tmp/* /data/product/

This should also do what you want (?)

Peter

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Re: mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Guillaume CHARDIN
ok thank's for your help i'm gonna test this asap.

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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Dan Track wrote:
> I appreciate this is OT but could someone just give me a little
> advice, I've written this script to logon on each server then
> restart the ntpd daemon. The problem I have is it only restarts the
> daemon for the last server provided in the list, any ideas as to why
> and how to fix it?

While I'm not offering any help on why your expect script is failing
you, I would say that if you have a need to ssh into multiple machines
to copy config files and restart services, you should look into tools
like func and puppet.  Func is perfect for quick, one-off commands.
Puppet is better for complete configuration management.

As a t-shirt from Reductive Labs¹, the makers of Puppet said, "SSH in a
loop is _not_ a solution." ;)

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Re: Setup Firefox so mailto links use Kmail

2009-05-07 Thread Suvayu Ali

Kevin Kempter wrote:

Hi all;

I did the following to setup firefox mailto links to use kmail but it did not 
work. Thoughts ?


1) I went to about:config in firefox and ensured that the value  
"network.protocol-handler.external.mailto" is set to true 


2) I did a right click and choose new --> string
   in the popup for the preference name I entered the following:   
network.protocol-handler.app.mailto


   Then in the next popup asking for the string value I entered this:
 kmail

However when I click on a mailto link firefox still wants to bring up 
evolution. I even tried using /usr/bin/kmail as the string value.


Thanks in advance...



Doesn't going to Preferences>>Applications and searching for mailto give 
you the appropriate dialogue to change this option?


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Re: mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/5/7 Guillaume CHARDIN :
> Hi, maybe some scripting genius gonna help me :D
>
> I need to move some file from one directory to other with some exclusions.
> Ex: move files from "/data/product/" to "/data/archives/2005" while
> the "*.dat" file/dirs stay in the right place.
>
> $mv /data/product/* !(/data/product/*.dat) /data/archives/2005

find /data/product -maxdepth 1 -type f \! -path "*.dat" -exec mv \{\}
/data/product/2005 \;

Which translates as finding the following criteria of files:

-maxdepth 1 : don't recurse into subdirectories e.g. not into /data/product/2005
-type f : find only files, not directories
\! -path "*.dat" : filename/path should not end in .dat

And then moving them to /data/product/2005 like this:

$ ls -lR /data/product
/data/product:
total 4
drwxr-xr-x 2 sjs298 root  4096 2009-05-07 16:57 2005
-rw-r--r-- 1 sjs298 users0 2009-05-07 16:57 adatfile.dat
-rw-r--r-- 1 sjs298 users0 2009-05-07 16:57 afile
-rw-r--r-- 1 sjs298 users0 2009-05-07 16:57 anotherfile

/data/product/2005:
total 0
$ find /data/product -maxdepth 1 -type f \! -path "*.dat" -exec mv
\{\} /data/product/2005 \;
$ ls -lR /data/product/data/product:
total 4
drwxr-xr-x 2 sjs298 root  4096 2009-05-07 16:58 2005
-rw-r--r-- 1 sjs298 users0 2009-05-07 16:57 adatfile.dat

/data/product/2005:
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 sjs298 users 0 2009-05-07 16:57 afile
-rw-r--r-- 1 sjs298 users 0 2009-05-07 16:57 anotherfile

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Setup Firefox so mailto links use Kmail

2009-05-07 Thread Kevin Kempter
Hi all;

I did the following to setup firefox mailto links to use kmail but it did not 
work. Thoughts ?

1) I went to about:config in firefox and ensured that the value  
"network.protocol-handler.external.mailto" is set to true 

2) I did a right click and choose new --> string
   in the popup for the preference name I entered the following:   
network.protocol-handler.app.mailto

   Then in the next popup asking for the string value I entered this:
 kmail

However when I click on a mailto link firefox still wants to bring up 
evolution. I even tried using /usr/bin/kmail as the string value.

Thanks in advance...

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mv and exlude list

2009-05-07 Thread Guillaume CHARDIN
Hi, maybe some scripting genius gonna help me :D

I need to move some file from one directory to other with some exclusions.
Ex: move files from "/data/product/" to "/data/archives/2005" while
the "*.dat" file/dirs stay in the right place.

$mv /data/product/* !(/data/product/*.dat) /data/archives/2005


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Re: what is "Document Viewer"?

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 07 May 2009 10:56:34 -0400
Bill Davidsen wrote:

> > Yet another reason why programs should be named with their actual name in
> > the menus, not some generic name. :-/ This crap really needs to get fixed.
> >   
> I think you have lost sight of the user here, the average user would see 
> "evince" in a menu and have zero idea what it is and does.

Which brings up another thing that needs fixing: Meaningless application names 
:-).

I gave up on finding meaning in menu structures years ago. I finally learned
that the real way to find something is to grep the .desktop files under
/usr/share/applications :-).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Francis Earl
> It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
> if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.

There are actually rules that don't permit such software to remain in
Fedora, so file bugs when you come across something that hasn't been
touched in such a long period. I agree there should be mechanisms
around, but filing bugs is just as useful - even if it's more time
consuming.

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Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 15:22 +0100, Dan Track wrote:
> Any ideas?

Do you actually *WANT* to login and restart each server, or are you
doing this to deal with the NTP servers stuffing up?  If the latter,
there are some known problems and (better) solutions regarding NTP
servers twiddling their thumbs instead of working.

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Re: what is "Document Viewer"?

2009-05-07 Thread Bill Davidsen

Kevin Kofler wrote:

brian wrote:

Thanks, Sam & Georgi. I'm having a little PDF issue: ghostscript is
complaining but Document Viewer is not. I needed to know that app is for
debugging info. This is perfect.


Yet another reason why programs should be named with their actual name in
the menus, not some generic name. :-/ This crap really needs to get fixed.

I think you have lost sight of the user here, the average user would see 
"evince" in a menu and have zero idea what it is and does. It is a meaningless 
collections of vowels and consonants which are unrelated to the function. The 
name of the application should be available, but not at the expense of something 
useful to typical user.

  document viewer (evince)
  document viewer (xpdf)
for examples.

Having the document viewer in graphics is probably not optimal, but there isn't 
a perfect place on the menus, maybe "office" is a bit more intuitive.



FYI, for next time, the easiest way to figure out what something
like "Document Viewer" actually is is to go to Help / About within the
program.

In a perfect world there would be a click to get a useful description off the 
menu. Until then "about" is a good thing to remember.


I find that I learn about a bunch of obscurely named packages by reading the 
packages released feed or newsgroup. The one paragraph description is enough to 
decide if a package might be useful, and wherever they come from it would be 
nice to have a package->description tool. Or maybe we do and I just haven't read 
about it yet. ;-)


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Re: FC10 and NDISwrapper

2009-05-07 Thread Bill Davidsen

Jerry Feldman wrote:

Rather than screw with NDISWrapper, are you using a BroadCom NIC?
There is a native Broadcom driver in F10, but you need to load the 
firmware. There is a utility called b43-fwcutter you would use to do 
this from the Windows driver. In any case, it might be better for you to 
describe your wireless chip and Dell model. Note that NDISWrapper is 
bith a driver (ndiswrapper.ko) as well as a command.  But, in the case 
of Broadcom, it will conflict with the native driver.


Where do you D/L the firmware? Or even find the name of the firmware file to try 
and dig it out of Windows? The wireless web site has numbers for the firmware, 
but they haven't matched any filenames for most of the laptops I've used.


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Re: insmod and WIFI - was Re: FC10 and NDISwrapper

2009-05-07 Thread Bill Davidsen

Kevin Kofler wrote:

Gary Stainburn wrote:

hybrid_wl/wl.ko


That's the proprietary driver from Broadcom. People are suggesting you use
the Free Software b43 driver, not the proprietary Broadcom wl.

If you have one of the models which b43 supports, and it works well enough for 
your purposes, that's fine. I've read for over a year that there would be 
support for the 4310, first in b43, then in some other module "being worked on," 
the truth is it still only works on Windows, not with the politically correct 
Linux drivers.


I'm tired of running a USB NIC on laptops, or paying hundreds more because the 
ones with the best price/performance have unsupported NICs.


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f10 failed to update perl for missing dependency

2009-05-07 Thread Vincent Onelli
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:54:04 +0200
> From: Michael Schwendt 
> Subject: Re: f10 failed to update perl for missing dependency
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
>
> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:40:58 -0400, vincent wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I am running fedora 10 in HP laptop zv6000, the last couple update were
>> incomplete because the dependency problem, the following is the message
>> that did show when try to update.
>> The message "Dependency resolution failed a package could not be found
>> that allows the task to complete".
>> The details are:
>> perl = 4:5.10.0-56.fc10 is needed by package
>> 3:perl-version-0.74-56.fc10.i386
>> perl = 4:5.10.0-56.fc10 is needed by package
>> 4:perl-libs-5.10.0-56.fc10.i386
>> perl = 4:5.10.0-56.fc10 is needed by package
>> 1:perl-Module-Pluggable-3.60-56.fc10.i386 : Success - empty transaction
>> do you have any suggestion on how I can fix it?
>> thank you in advance.
>> Vinny
>
> Is this with Yum or PackageKit?

Automatic update
When the message showed up there was a button call  "details" when clicked 
on showed the few line that I copied and send in.

>
> What you call "details" is not so detailed. It looks a bit as if your
> update tool was seeing a newer "perl" but not the corresponding updates
> of other/related packages. Messages like that mean that it could not apply
> some updates because it would break dependencies of old/installed 
> packages.
>
> Please open your favourite terminal, run "yum clean metadata ; yum update"
> and don't truncate the output if you can repeat the error messages.

before execute the above command I want to try to use the comand "su -c 'yum 
update' "
and found out that for some reason it update perl and few other programs 
without complaint
>
> There has been an update of Perl to 5.10.0-68.fc10. The perl-version
> (0.74-68.fc10) and perl-Module-Pluggable (3.60-68.fc10) packages are built
> from the same "perl" src.rpm package, so normally they are released
> together with the "perl" and "perl-libs" packages and should be available
> at the same time as the new "perl" package.
>
> Typically the fix is to clean old/cached repository metadata, try again
> and wait till you're assigned to a mirror that offers a sufficiently
> recent set of updates. Meanwhile you can examine your installed packages
> (show what versions of the packages are installed) and list the available
> updates in the remote repositories (with repoquery or yum, for example).
> It's also possible to view a package repository with your favourite
> browser and save a copy of the repodata directory (to further analyse
> it in order to find out whether it is bad and only refers to a partial
> set of the "perl" updates).
>
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[OT] ssh login script - Please Help

2009-05-07 Thread Dan Track
Hi

I appreciate this is OT but could someone just give me a little
advice, I've written this script to logon on each server then restart
the ntpd daemon. The problem I have is it only restarts the daemon for
the last server provided in the list, any ideas as to why and how to
fix it?


#!/usr/bin/expect -f

set argc [llength $argv]
for {set i 0} {$i<$argc} {incr i} {
puts "arg $i: [lindex $argv $i]"

set var1 [lindex $argv $i]
spawn scp /etc/ntp.conf "r...@$var1:/etc/"
spawn ssh r...@$var1 "/etc/init.d/ntpd restart"
}

###
expect {
 -re ".*es.*o.*" {
 exp_send "yes\r"
 exp_continue
 }
 -re ".*sword.*" {
 exp_send "\r"
 }
}
interact

When run I get the following:

./test.expect server1 server2

arg 0: server1
spawn scp /etc/ntp.conf r...@server1:/tmp/
spawn ssh r...@server1 /etc/init.d/ntpd restart
arg 1: server2
spawn scp /etc/ntp.conf r...@server2:/tmp/
spawn ssh r...@server2 /etc/init.d/ntpd restart
r...@server2's password:
Shutting down ntpd: [  OK  ]
Starting ntpd: [  OK  ]

Any ideas?

Thanks for any help.
Dan

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Re: insmod and WIFI - was Re: FC10 and NDISwrapper

2009-05-07 Thread Bill Davidsen

Gary Stainburn wrote:

Hi folks,

Thanks to help on here I'm almost there with my WIFI connection.

The session log below shows that the new broadcom WIFI drivers work (in 
theory). I now have two questions.


1) How do I make the two insmod's survive over a reboot.
2) How do I get to use the new WIFI interface?


Should be able to do it with /etc/modprobe.*

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Pim Zandbergen

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository.

Any CalDAV server.

Not using one now, but I would like to.
Preferably Apple's Calender Server which has been ported to Debian

http://calendarserver.org/
http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/calendarserver

Pim

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Pim Zandbergen

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository.

chan-capi (http://www.chan-capi.org)

chan-capi allows the Asterisk open source PBX, which is already part of 
Fedora

to use ISDN cards using the CAPI interface.

chan-capi is included upstream in callweaver, an Asterisk fork which is 
also part of Fedora.


Asterisk would require a newer version of chan-capi than callweaver, though.

Pim

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Alan Cox
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.

JMRI is the obvious one now we have openjdk. However JMRI relies upon the
java async communications interfaces which openjdk currently appears to
be missing for some reason.

So until OpenJDK is actually a drop in replacement for Sun's Java stuff I
guess its stuck.

Other than that and xapian/omega (which I use for some search setups) not
a lot.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
>
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

dbacl  -   http://dbacl.sourceforge.net/

Powerful text classifier, I'm using it with procmail as a spam filter.

Apparently not in the package review queue.
Should be easy to package, almost no dependencies.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:53 +0200, Axel wrote:
> Homepage : http://www.kill-9.org/mbrowse/ (down at this moment)

I notice that sort of thing with a lot of packages.  You do a rpm -qi on
them, and the package's homepage is dead, or links to a wrong page on
their site.  It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.  One might
think that the RPM building routine might check meta data about the
package web address for 404s, or "no such domain" errors, and prompt for
some human interaction.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
>that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
>suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
>issues.
>
>Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
>what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
>fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
>package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
>for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
>
>
>Rahul

While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work with 
fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of 
configuration tools.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Axel

Le 07/05/2009 13:01, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul

   


mbrowse, a graphical SNMP MIB browser, available on debian/ubuntu. 
License : GPL.


Ubuntu package : http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/mbrowse

Homepage : http://www.kill-9.org/mbrowse/ (down at this moment)

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 05:32 PM, Georgi Hristozov wrote:

> 
> It will be nice to see the omnibook module too (
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke ). The project seems dead and the
> only usable version is the SVN snapshot, but I think it will help the
> notebook users who can't compile the module themselves and need built-in
> support for the specific hardware. For example, without omnibook it's
> impossible to use your bluetooth on such notebook.

Fedora doesn't allow third party kernel module packages. It can go to
RPM Fusion but this stuff should just work out of the box and not depend
on dead modules. Can you file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com
for the functionality that is missing?

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Georgi Hristozov
Hi,

Rahul Sundaram написа:
> Hi,
> 
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> 
> Rahul
> 

I'm missing wicd - a python-based alternative network manager (
http://wicd.net/ ). It's very easy to install, but adding it to the
Fedora repo will help the users to keep up with the updates. I found
some discussions about adding it to the repos, but nothing have happened
since then (March 2008).

It will be nice to see the omnibook module too (
http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke ). The project seems dead and the
only usable version is the SVN snapshot, but I think it will help the
notebook users who can't compile the module themselves and need built-in
support for the specific hardware. For example, without omnibook it's
impossible to use your bluetooth on such notebook.

And, finally, one game - Simutrans ( http://www.simutrans.com/ ). It's a
transportation simulation game. The package won't be very big, even with
 a few PAKs.



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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram
 wrote:

> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

Is it possible to have this on the wiki (after sufficient number of
such applications have been discussed on the mailing list) ?

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Re: FC10 and freeNX (solved)

2009-05-07 Thread Nephilim
Hello Craig,

you can solve your keyboard problem by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the client 
system i. e. Ubuntu 8.10 or Ubuntu 9.04.

Add the following block to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

 cut (start) 
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"
EndSection
 cut (end) 

If your're using an other keyboard layout than US, you may have to adjust the 
keyboard "InputDevice" in xorg.conf, too. Add (or uncomment) a block like this:

 cut (start) 
# uncomment the following lines to use a
# german pc keyboard layout
Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
  Driver  "kbd"
  Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
  Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
  Option  "XkbLayout"  "de"
  Option  "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch"
EndSection
 cut (end) 

After editing xorg.conf you have to restart your X-Server. On Ubuntu simply 
logout out and in.

That's it.
bye
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 07 May 2009 16:31:55 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository.

I use "remind" as a substitute for evolution's appointment mechanism
since I gave up on evolution ever working reliably.

http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind

I use it together with a silly message popup tool I wrote which I'd
be perfectly willing to have in the repos as long a I didn't have to
do any of the work :-).

http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/qtmess.html

I also use truecrypt (http://www.truecrypt.org/), but I have
a feeling someone somewhere would decide there are potential
issues with it.

Then, of course, there is gdmsetup (which I would use if only it
existed :-).

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Preupgrade: Centralized Upgrade

2009-05-07 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)

Without having to create a local mirror\repo.
Is it possible for preupgrade to pool all Fedora PC's,
on a lan.

Then download all needed for all boxes, (presto where possible).
That way it could be more automated save multiple similar rpms,
maybe I mean a server version?

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 04:31:55PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> 
> Rahul

64-bit Maxima is in the education and science repositories, but it does not
install for me on Suse 11.0 because of dependency issues.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)

On 07/05/09 12:01, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul



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avoiding errors. Imagine that you can easily adapt it and extend its 
functionality. Imagine that it is open source. Well, that's eBox."


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What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul

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Re: Is the jigdo project still active?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/06/2009 05:57 PM, Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Is there any people working on Jigdo images? I'm interested in help and
> learn about this.

Generating Jidgo images ? Ask in fedora-infrastructure list and they can
guide you.

Rahul

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Re: Video Capture Software

2009-05-07 Thread David Timms

David Timms wrote:

Look at videodog, kino, mlt (in RPM Fusion RSN ?)

Also cinelerra
http://cinelerra.org/

Currently in review at https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118

But kwizart has it in kwizart repos:
http://rpms.kwizart.net/fedora/10/i386/repoview/applications.multimedia.group.html

DaveT.

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Re: FC4: Kernel Panic - Not Syncing

2009-05-07 Thread Georgi Hristozov
Hi,

Kumar Limbu написа:
> Kernel panic - not syncing: bad locking

It's probably a SMP issue. 2.6.17 is nearly 3 years old, so I encourage
you to follow the advice of the others and upgrade. :)




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Re: FC4: Kernel Panic - Not Syncing

2009-05-07 Thread Thierry Sayegh De Bellis

Kumar Limbu wrote:

Hi,

I have a server which is running Fedora Core 4.



This version has been EOL for a fair bit now, to be honest no 
updates/fixes have been issued for 4 years.


Fedora is reaching release 11 in 20 days, unless you have a real 
requirement to keep such an old version I would suggest you start 
backing up data and prepare to upgrade the OS.


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Re: FC4: Kernel Panic - Not Syncing

2009-05-07 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)

On 07/05/09 09:40, Kumar Limbu wrote:

Hi,

I have a server which is running Fedora Core 4.


Curent supported versions are F9, F10

you won't get any update for F4.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle/EOL

Frank


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FC4: Kernel Panic - Not Syncing

2009-05-07 Thread Kumar Limbu

Hi,

I have a server which is running Fedora Core 4. I have updated the kernel to
version 2.6.17 because I was getting kernel panic on version 2.6.11. I used
yum for update. After the update the server worked fine for months before
the problem again started to surface. Now I get a similar Kernel Panic error
every few weeks.

Kernel panic - not syncing: bad locking

I thought that this might be an issue with the kernel so I tried updating it
again. Only this time yum doesn't show any new version as available.

So what are my options? How do I update the kernel on my server without
upgrading the OS itself? I would prefer an RPM update as opposed to a TAR
balls update.

Please feel free to ask further questions regarding the error message. I
will be more than willing to answer your queries. 

Thanks for your help.

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