Re: New user introduction

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/29/2009 11:43 AM, Jan te Beest (jteb) wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Just want to introduce myself as a new member. 
> 
> Love the work that's going on in Fedora and I'd like to participate in the 
> community.
> 
> I'm a system architect/programmer at http://dutchsoftware.com [1] and mainly 
> working on http://elvisready.com. [2]
> 
> We're using lots of opensource software in our product (all LGPL off course). 
> Besides that I've created many native tools using GNU OSS packages and Mac 
> Core Libraries.
> 
> At home I've been using Redhat 6 as my first try at Linux and from there on, 
> never turned away from *nix. Tried some slak, gentoo (man that takes a lot of 
> your time), debian .. on the road. Never couldn't help returning to Fedora 
> though, it rocks. I like living on the edge, that's why I tried Gentoo, so I 
> only ever run Rawhide.
> 
> Well that said,

It's great to see someone running rawhide all the time. As someone who
likes to do that as well, welcome to Fedora.  A few references,

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA


Rahul

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Re: New user introduction

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/29/2009 11:43 AM, Jan te Beest (jteb) wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Just want to introduce myself as a new member. 
> 
> Love the work that's going on in Fedora and I'd like to participate in the 
> community.
> 
> I'm a system architect/programmer at http://dutchsoftware.com [1] and mainly 
> working on http://elvisready.com. [2]
> 
> We're using lots of opensource software in our product (all LGPL off course). 
> Besides that I've created many native tools using GNU OSS packages and Mac 
> Core Libraries.
> 
> At home I've been using Redhat 6 as my first try at Linux and from there on, 
> never turned away from *nix. Tried some slak, gentoo (man that takes a lot of 
> your time), debian .. on the road. Never couldn't help returning to Fedora 
> though, it rocks. I like living on the edge, that's why I tried Gentoo, so I 
> only ever run Rawhide.
> 
> Well that said,

It's great to see someone running rawhide all the time. As someone who
likes to do that as well, welcome to Fedora.  A few references,

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA


Rahul

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New user introduction

[jteb]

Hey all,

Just want to introduce myself as a new member. 

Love the work that's going on in Fedora and I'd like to participate in the 
community.

I'm a system architect/programmer at http://dutchsoftware.com [1] and mainly 
working on http://elvisready.com. [2]

We're using lots of opensource software in our product (all LGPL off course). 
Besides that I've created many native tools using GNU OSS packages and Mac Core 
Libraries.

At home I've been using Redhat 6 as my first try at Linux and from there on, 
never turned away from *nix. Tried some slak, gentoo (man that takes a lot of 
your time), debian .. on the road. Never couldn't help returning to Fedora 
though, it rocks. I like living on the edge, that's why I tried Gentoo, so I 
only ever run Rawhide.

Well that said,
Cheers,
Jan


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Re: ati radeon drivers 4670 hd, and fedora 11

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I downloaded the file and ran the sudo yum install kmod-fglrx,
it says no package available might be wrong package.
my specs are
Specs
Release 11 (Leonidas)
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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
>On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:08:37AM -0700, john wendel wrote:
>> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> >Steve Underwood wrote:
>> >>I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
>> >
>> >Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio
>> > is evil.
>> >
>> >>Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little
>> >> output to help you resolve problems. If you get it working it seems to
>> >> offer you nothing you didn't have before you had pulseaudio.
>> >
>> >It makes sound just work, without apps fighting for the sound device (or
>> >multiple incompatible sound servers all trying to "fix" this fighting for
>> >the sound device). No more annoyances like games failing to play sound
>> >because some GUI event sound was still being played when they tried
>> > opening the sound device. (I've seen, or rather heard, that happen way
>> > too often in pre-PulseAudio times.)
>> >
>> >Most sound cards don't do mixing in hardware. A few do support it, but
>> > the ALSA driver doesn't. Only few sound cards can do it and have ALSA
>> > support for it. So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> >Kevin Kofler
>>
>> Strange, I've never had a sound card that didn't have a hardware mixer.
>> And the on-board Intel hd audio that I'm using now does too. I don't
>> think PulseAudio is evil, it just doesn't bring anything to the party.
>
>You're mixing up things :-)
>
>"Mixer" usually means the device/application you use to control volume level
> settings.
>
>In this context "hardware mixing" meant mixing up multiple audio streams
>(from different applications) and all of them playing at once.
>
>Your on-board Intel hd audio cannot mix audio streams in hardware.. I think.
>Some Creative cards can do that.
>
>-- Pasi

Yes, mine does.  Clicking on a link here in kmail ALWAYS runs firefox with two 
tabs, both linked somehow so that if I scroll one of then and quit that tab, 
the remaining tab has also been scrolled to the same place.  But they are not 
in synch when the links video plays, so in order to stop the confusion of all 
the doubletalk, I have to kill one tab, usually the top(2nd) tab.  I think 
that is evidence that my card DOES do hardware mixing.

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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>On 05/28/2009 06:32 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300
>>
>> Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
>>> but maybe
>>> some folk just did not realize that yet
>>
>> And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish
>> actually is? It just comes to them in a flash of insight perhaps?
>> Or maybe the zero documentation has something to do with it :-).
>
>This seems to be a theme you like but PulseAudio has a lot of details in
>its website
>
>http://pulseaudio.org/

And the last time I looked, a bit over a month ago, there was no hint of what 
to do when it chooses its default output channel wrong, and effectively sends 
it all to /dev/null.  I fail to see what use it is when it ignores the choices 
I have setup in my modprobe.conf, and which work for every other audio app we 
have.

>If you have specific questions, join the mailing list and ask or help
>out and write up some documentation.

I tried, the confirmation replay was bounced. Twice.  Same thing with trying 
to join the nut-user list just this week.

>A recent interview
>
>http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/05/sound-of-fedora-11.
>
>Rahul


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Re: Application Server Software For Fedora 10/11/CentOS

[Veli-Pekka Kestilä]

Robert L Cochran wrote:
I'm interested in setting up a Fedora system as an application server 
so that it works like/has features similar to IBM's WebSphere 
Application Server. I can't afford IBM's licensing costs. Is there an 
open source application server that works more or less the same and 
will run on either Fedora 10 or 11 or CentOS?


Thanks

Bob Cochran

I think JBOSS is what you need. It should work in F10, F11 and CentOS. 
You may also need to get separatedly JDK/JRE to use it. It has the 
important bits Servlet Engine and EJB support. If you don't need ejb 
support that much then I would recommend Tomcat. If I remember correctly 
Websphere had some proprietary extensions which you of course can't use. 
So test first if you have some ready made software you need to run.


-vpk

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RE: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Stuart Munro]

Bob

I have used this utility before with good success 
http://www.soft32.com/download_191651.html

I have used this one with greater success 
http://www.killdisk.com/?gclid=CKatoNLX4JoCFQENDQodO0xTAQ

both are free utilities


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Subject: Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data
On It?

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Robert L Cochran wrote:
>I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most
>dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or
>some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?
>
>Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to
>every storage location?
>
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/(ice) repeated 3 or so times should pretty well 
destroy any attempts to recover any valid data from that drive.  Don't use
the 
partition, such as /dev/sda1, but the whole drive, /dev/sda which should
also 
get the partition tables.

Formatting a hard drive just installs a new inode framework and root 
directory.  The data itself is still there for something as simple as:
dd if=/dev/sdX
which will spit it all out to the screen with only the holes created by the 
installation of a new filesystem framework being invalid.

But /dev/urandom written to everything 3 or more times should render the
data 
unrecoverable unless they wanna call out the guys with the electron 
microscopes to read the edges of the track byte by byte.
>Thanks
>
>Bob Cochran


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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Robert L Cochran wrote:
>I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most
>dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or
>some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?
>
>Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to
>every storage location?
>
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/(ice) repeated 3 or so times should pretty well 
destroy any attempts to recover any valid data from that drive.  Don't use the 
partition, such as /dev/sda1, but the whole drive, /dev/sda which should also 
get the partition tables.

Formatting a hard drive just installs a new inode framework and root 
directory.  The data itself is still there for something as simple as:
dd if=/dev/sdX
which will spit it all out to the screen with only the holes created by the 
installation of a new filesystem framework being invalid.

But /dev/urandom written to everything 3 or more times should render the data 
unrecoverable unless they wanna call out the guys with the electron 
microscopes to read the edges of the track byte by byte.
>Thanks
>
>Bob Cochran


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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Clint Dilks]

Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Robert L Cochran writes:

I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the 
most dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or 
ext4 or some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?


Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense 
to every storage location?


dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/youbettergetthisright bs=1M

If you want to be really sure you need to do the command above several 
time or use software like


http://www.dban.org/

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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Robert L Cochran
 wrote:
> I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most
> dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or
> some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?
>
> Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to
> every storage location?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Cochran


You can also use the badblocks program in write mode which writes a
repeated random sequence to the drive

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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Sam Varshavchik]

Robert L Cochran writes:

I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most 
dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or 
some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?


Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to 
every storage location?


dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/youbettergetthisright bs=1M



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Application Server Software For Fedora 10/11/CentOS

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm interested in setting up a Fedora system as an application server so 
that it works like/has features similar to IBM's WebSphere Application 
Server. I can't afford IBM's licensing costs. Is there an open source 
application server that works more or less the same and will run on 
either Fedora 10 or 11 or CentOS?


Thanks

Bob Cochran

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OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most 
dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or 
some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?


Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to 
every storage location?


Thanks

Bob Cochran

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Re: Can't get updates

[Phil Meyer]

Anne Wilson wrote:
I'm having great problem after upgrading F9 to F10 (using an install dvd).  I 
get huge numbers of updates downloaded, but then it fails.  The problem 
appears to be related to my updates repo.  I've tried it with both baseurl and 
mirrors, without success.  Errors I've seen include
  

...

Please check to see if the package, fedora-release, created *.rpmnew 
files in /etc/yum.repos.d


If so, move them over top of the existing ones:

# cd /etc/yum.repos.d
# mv fedora.repo.rpmnew fedora.repo
# mv fedora-updates.repo.rpmnew fedora-updates.repo

...


You will recall that during the F9 phase, the Fedora gpg keys were in 
question, and so the repos were rebuilt with a .newkey extension.  I 
believe that is your problem.


The fedora.repo file is generally usable from version to version, with 
this one exception, created by the .newkey business.


To verify the issue before making any changes, look for the string 'new' 
in any of the /etc/repos.d/* files.  If there, they should NOT be for 
F10 and forward.


Good Luck!

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Re: Can't get updates

[giuseppe . fuggiano]

2009/5/28 Anne Wilson :

Thanks for trying to help.  I can reach the Internet on other sites.  I can
use konqueror to reach a mirror site and download packages manually.

This box has been upgraded rather than a clean install.  I suspect that
$releasever is not being correctly passed, but I don't know how to test that
theory, nor how to correct it if I'm right.


I don't think wget is actually using $releasever.
Can you wget something else? :-)

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Re: f10 install, still no X [success with xdriver=vesa vga=792]

[jackson byers]

David, thanks for your suggestions re the xorg wiki

I had already tried  Xorg -configure
to generate an xorg.conf,  but that by itself not enough to boot to X

I have since found that I _can_ boot to X
_if_
I use as kernel parameters
xdriver=vesa vga=792

I had been using these for a couple of days
without success, so it is some combination of steps
that finally succeeded.

If i remove those parameters, again no booting  to X

specifically,
 the first stanza in grub.conf does not boot to X;
 the second stanza does:

#  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
#  root (hd1,7)
#  kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sda1
#  initrd /initrd-version.img
#boot=/dev/sdb8
default=0
timeout=10
splashimage=(hd1,7)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
***hiddenmenu

title Fedora (2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686)root (hd1,7)  scsi_mod.scan=sync
root (hd1,7)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=UUID=f3e0f6cf-c687-4d8e-b
08b-3a27f2f79766 rhgb quiet scsi_mod.scan=sync
initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.img



title Fedora (2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686)root (hd1,7)scsi_mod.scan=sync vesa vga=792
root (hd1,7)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686 ro root=UUID=f3e0f6cf-c687-4d8e-b
08b-3a27f2f79766 rhgb quiet scsi_mod.scan=sync xdriver=vesa vga=792
initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686.img

[I am now using a separate /boot partition sdb8,
 with f10 /  still on sda1
 but I dont think that is the issue]

more than a month ago when I was still trying to use livecd (not install)
i found then that i needed those parameters for the livecd to boot to X
but i had forgotten all about it, until I tried a few days ago
on the f10dvd install, but then it had no effect.

Somehow using those kernel parameters
coupled with my various attempts "init 5"
to get an apparently error free Xorg.0.log
and perhaps the final
startx -- :1
did the magic trick.

I cant reconstruct exact set of steps I took to  get here:
About 1 week ago, may24?
I did  Xorg -config  to generate xorg.conf.new
and copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
and  redid  system-ccnfig-display -v
then "init 5"
but those steps  by itself still not booting  to X

I redid the install on may 26,
again copied the xorg.conf
and again
system-ccnfig-display -v; init 5
still no X

tried
startx -- :1
but it gave DRM errors in Xorg.1.log:

[r...@localhost log]# ls -l X*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40137 2009-05-28 07:17 Xorg.0.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40677 2009-05-28 07:16 Xorg.0.log.old
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38695 2009-05-27 03:55 Xorg.1.log
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   835 2009-05-26 12:26 Xorg.setup.log
[r...@localhost log]# grep EE Xorg.1.log

(EE) MGA(0): [drm] Could not boot-strap DMA (-16)
(EE) MGA(0): failed to destroy server context
[r...@localhost log]#

same msg in Xorg.setup.log

evidently those EE
not preventing X
or those EE no longer in effect.


Summary: for my system with the f10dvd
i need
xdriver=vesa vga=792

Can anyone  tell me why these necessary
and/or where documented?

Jack

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Re: What /dev is ethernet Webcam

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/5/28 Jim :
> On 05/28/2009 12:02 PM, Les wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 16:31 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jim wrote:
>>>

 On 05/26/2009 09:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

>
> grammar. ;-)
>

 Sorry about my grammar , but i never got past the Third Grade,
 my family was poor and I had to take up Bank Robbery, it pays better
 than having a College Ed-U-Ma-cation.

>>>
>>> Yes, but does Bank Robbery have a better 401K plan?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sam
>>>
>>
>> Be careful,  Now that the government is in the banking business, you
>> know how the politicians hate competition.
>>
>> Les H
>>
>>
>
> No problem there, I have been retired since 06.

I will retire in 2045... if I'm lucky and make it that far.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Jim]

On 05/28/2009 12:36 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:

Max Pyziur wrote:
   

Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us_personal_journal


fyi,

Max Pyziur
p...@brama.com

 

"All the netbooks I tried had compatibility problems with other external
devices. The netbooks couldn't load the software drivers to let me print
to my Canon and Dell printers. I couldn't load pictures over a USB cable
from my Canon PowerShot SD750 digital camera. I was able to get my
pictures on the machines by plugging a storage card from my camera
directly into the netbooks."


Yup, I've experienced exactly the same problems. Printers being the
worst, of course, since I just use the SD card readers to transfer
pictures from the camera.

Is there a driver wrapper for printers out there (similar to
ndiswrapper)? If not, there should be :P


   

Check out gutenprint.org I believe, you might Google for it.
I have got a number of print drivers for Fedora from them.
you also want to Google for gutenprint-cups.

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Re: What /dev is ethernet Webcam

[Jim]

On 05/28/2009 12:02 PM, Les wrote:

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 16:31 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
   

Jim wrote:
 

On 05/26/2009 09:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
   

grammar. ;-)
 

Sorry about my grammar , but i never got past the Third Grade,
my family was poor and I had to take up Bank Robbery, it pays better
than having a College Ed-U-Ma-cation.
   

Yes, but does Bank Robbery have a better 401K plan?

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Re: networking question

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:44 -0700, Gerhard Magnus wrote:
> The WAN information includes an "IP
> address" and a "Gateway" which differ only in their last two sections
> (i.e. IP address xxx.xxx.181.193 and Gateway xxx.xxx.180.1) Why are
> these two addresses needed?

It's important to understand that an IP address doesn't identify a
machine, it identifies a connection point. Since the gateway (router) is
connected to two networks (the LAN on one side and the Internet on the
other), it has two connection points and hence two IP addresses.

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Re: No sound from Flash (YouTube)

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Ian Pilcher  writes:
> This is 64-bit Fedora 10 with flash-plugin-10.0.22.87-release.i386.

At this point you should probably be using the 64-bit flash on 64-bit
systems.  Here are my notes from when I did it.  Caution the pathnames
on adobe's site may have changed a bit.

 # alpha release of flash 64-bit

 # pulseaudio-libs.i386 pulseaudio-*libs*.i386
 yum erase flash-plugin.i386 nspluginwrapper.x86_64 nspluginwrapper.i386 

 cd /tmp
 # main page: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
 wget 
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
 tar -xvzf libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
 cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 28 May 2009 21:38:56 Craig White wrote:
> silly me, I'm using F11-preview with KDE and I don't notice it slow at
> all - at least as long as I'm in performance mode. On battery, well,
> that is a bit slower but this isn't a device that I'm choosing for high
> performance anyway.

But then there's no guarantee that your hardware is the same as mine.  You 
bought it a few months later, and we all know how hardware specs can change.  
Until the Intel video driver is improved this is going to stay rather slow, 
but it's fine for my purpose.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Beartooth]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 13:38:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
[]
>> I believe it would be - it was certainly better than the xandros on the
>> eeepc 701.
> 
> well, xandros is a spin off debian so I wouldn't bag on it for that. The
> only challenge is for netbook manufacturers to produce a usable system
> that they can sell without a bunch of returns. 

You forget that Xandros is the outfit that sold out to the Gates 
of Hell; its interface, at least on the 701, was so much like Windows 
that I nearly vomited. I got it off the machine in the first half hour I 
owned it. Maybe people who actually like Windows would differ ...

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:38 +0200, Christof Damian wrote:
> I am using F10 on the EeePC which works ok, I just have problems with
> wakeup after suspend sometimes. You might also need to install some
> stuff from rpmfusion to get wireless working.

I also had problems with Resume not reconnecting to the Wifi network.
They went away when I updated to F11-beta.

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Re: preupgrade F10 --> Rawhide [SOLVED]

[Germán Racca]

Well, I have checked the grub.conf and I realized that the line
"default=1" was wrong, and
I put "default=0" and now booted correctly.

Thanks Konstantino, I think in that link must be a similar solution.

Thanks again,
German.

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Konstantin Svist  wrote:
> Germán Racca wrote:
>> Hello everybody:
>>
>> I have recently run "preupgrade" in my Fedora 10, and I choosed
>> to upgrade to Rawhide. The "preupgrade" program made all the
>> necessary tasks (downloaded fc11 packages, etc.) and when finished
>> it asked to reboot. I rebooted and I got a black screen saying
>> "GRUB _" (the _ is blinking) and it reminds in the same way since
>> 30 minutes ago.
>>
>> My question: is it working or I get an error? May I reboot again?
>>
>
> No, it's an error. See here for instructions:
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=214137
>
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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:27:37 Andras Simon wrote:
> On 5/28/09, Konstantin Svist  wrote:
> > Another example from my experience: I bought a Creative webcam on
> > impulse (it was very cheap, found it on Slickdeals). Plug it in - no
> > dice. Search for the drivers - nothing. Some similar models are
> > supported, but not this one (different chipset, I think, was the
> > problem). Creative has open source page for this webcam
> > (http://tinyurl.com/m72oq3). I'll even save you the trouble of going to
> > that page: status is "pending" and there's no link to any sources. So
> > what, I'm supposed to write a driver myself?
>
> No. Just stop impulse buying stuff.
>
Not always easy.  I printed out the whole list of known-to-work webcams, and 
couldn't find one of them in the store.  No box ever tells you what chipset 
is being used.  In the end I bought a cheap own-brand webcam.  To my surprise 
it worked with the gspca driver!

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pulseaudio capability question

[Tom Horsley]

In the quest to find something useful pulseaudio can do for me,
I'm wondering if it can do more than just volume when it is mixing
several audio sources?

I would love to learn I can insert an output filter to use
ffmpeg to do on the fly conversion of all my audio to something
that can be sent to the SP/DIF optical output on my motherboard.

Then, while it is at it, accept already encoded audio streams
from a DVD I'm playing and bypass the ffmpeg layer for them.

Now that would be useful.

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Re: Can't get updates

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 28 May 2009 21:16:32 Giuseppe Fuggiano wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > wget: unable to resolve host address `download.fedoraproject.org' -
> > strange!
>
> To reach that mirror you have to assure that:
>
>  1. You can resolve hostnames
> Look in /etc/resolv.conf for a valid nameserver;
>
>  2. You should verify you can open a http connection
> Try to use netcat:  nc -v 209.132.176.120 80, if you get
> "Connection to 209.85.171.100 80 port [tcp/http] succeeded!" so you are
> able to connect to the internet.
>
> That error message says it cannot resolve host
> download.fedoraproject.org.  Try to resolve for it, using
> 209.132.176.120 instead.  Otherwise add "nameserver 208.67.222.222" line
> at the beginning of /etc/resolv.conf file.
>
> Hope this will help.
>
Thanks for trying to help.  I can reach the Internet on other sites.  I can 
use konqueror to reach a mirror site and download packages manually.

This box has been upgraded rather than a clean install.  I suspect that 
$releasever is not being correctly passed, but I don't know how to test that 
theory, nor how to correct it if I'm right.

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Re: networking question

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Gerhard Magnus wrote:

One thing I've always liked about computers is that it's possible for
one to do so much more than one understands; a little knowledge turns
out to have a great deal of leverage. But now I'd like to backtrack a
bit and learn something about the LAN I've already cobbled together.

My interface with the Internet is an Actiontec DSL modem (which I then
have connected to a router.) When I use a browser to look at the modem's
"status" window I see it's connected to a WAN (wide-area network?) which
I assume is administered by my ISP. The WAN information includes an "IP
address" and a "Gateway" which differ only in their last two sections
(i.e. IP address xxx.xxx.181.193 and Gateway xxx.xxx.180.1) Why are
these two addresses needed? (I'm thinking my LAN would only need one IP
address.)

Thanks for the help on what's probably a very elementary question


Yes, very elementary, the IP address is what you think it is, the IP for 
your DSL modem.  All of your incoming traffic is routed to/through it.
The GATEWAY address is for all of your *outgoing* traffic.  The DSL 
modem needs to know that it needs to be sent to that address in order 
for it to be delivered to the proper targets.  The GATEWAY is not a part 
of your setup, its another router in your ISP's network that you need to 
know about in order to use it properly.  Its the ISP's equivalent of 
your LAN's "default" route.  Your LAN sends outgoing traffic to gateway 
listed on your "default" route (which I imagine is your DSL modem) which 
then needs to send it to *it's* GATEWAY in order to get where its going.


Clear as mud?

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networking question

[Gerhard Magnus]

One thing I've always liked about computers is that it's possible for
one to do so much more than one understands; a little knowledge turns
out to have a great deal of leverage. But now I'd like to backtrack a
bit and learn something about the LAN I've already cobbled together.

My interface with the Internet is an Actiontec DSL modem (which I then
have connected to a router.) When I use a browser to look at the modem's
"status" window I see it's connected to a WAN (wide-area network?) which
I assume is administered by my ISP. The WAN information includes an "IP
address" and a "Gateway" which differ only in their last two sections
(i.e. IP address xxx.xxx.181.193 and Gateway xxx.xxx.180.1) Why are
these two addresses needed? (I'm thinking my LAN would only need one IP
address.)

Thanks for the help on what's probably a very elementary question

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Konstantin Svist]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 19:58:18 Craig White wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 19:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
>> 
>>> Mine came with Lupus (I think) Linux.  I removed it almost from day one
>>> and installed Fedora 10.
>>>   
>> My understanding is that it is called 'Linpus'
>> 
>
> Correct - I knew it didn't sound quite right :-)
>   


http://www.itsnotlup.us  :)


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RE: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Michael . Coll-Barth]

 

> From: Simon Wesp

> The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
> helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a 
> murder is
> guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
> should not be allowed in fedora.

Say what?  ::jaw drops to floor and slams back up::

That is, without a doubt, one of the most 'mis-guided' things I ever
heard on here.  If that were even a slightly legitimate argument, then
you could not use ANY software at all.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 21:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 19:58:18 Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 19:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Thursday 28 May 2009 18:43:33 Craig White wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:08 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
> > > > > Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
> > > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us
> > > > >_per sonal_journal
> > > > >
> > > > > fyi,
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I suppose inherent is the assumption that the problems don't happen
> > > > with Windows and that they are always the Linux software.
> > > >
> > > > My experience with my Acer Aspire One was decidedly different.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > > It came with Windows. My USB key and hard drive wouldn't work in
> > > > Windows but did work with Linux. After I upgraded the BIOS they also
> > > > worked with Windows.
> > >
> > > Mine came with Lupus (I think) Linux.  I removed it almost from day one
> > > and installed Fedora 10.
> >
> > 
> > My understanding is that it is called 'Linpus'
> 
> Correct - I knew it didn't sound quite right :-)
> > which is derived from 
> > Fedora 9 or 10. It is clearly a reduced set of software packages. It
> > seems pretty clear that a serious computer user would probably want a
> > normal Linux distribution installed but for something that is usable off
> > the shelf, it seemed adequate.
> >
> I believe it would be - it was certainly better than the xandros on the eeepc 
> 701.

well, xandros is a spin off debian so I wouldn't bag on it for that. The
only challenge is for netbook manufacturers to produce a usable system
that they can sell without a bunch of returns.

> 
> > It was however very useful for developing some alterations to maximize
> > battery life and performance.
> >
> I wouldn't actually recommend running a full gnome or kde on it, as it is 
> rather slow, but I wanted to be able to evaluate up-to-date kde packages and 
> help with documentation.  It is serving me admirably for my purpose.  If you 
> can live with the speed hit, and I've definitely seen worse, then it will do 
> anything and everything you would wish.

silly me, I'm using F11-preview with KDE and I don't notice it slow at
all - at least as long as I'm in performance mode. On battery, well,
that is a bit slower but this isn't a device that I'm choosing for high
performance anyway.

The really big deal for me was to break the 1024x600 limits and I'm
running a virtual 1280x1024 screen now. The wireless and camera worked
out of the box. I do have to boot it in Windows in order to do Yahoo
Messenger w/video though  :-(

It's a good thing that WSJ doesn't depend upon advertisers like
Microsoft for revenue...

Craig


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Re: Can't get updates

[giuseppe . fuggiano]

2009/5/27 Anne Wilson :

wget: unable to resolve host address `download.fedoraproject.org' - strange!


Also, are you behind a firewall?  Are you behind a proxy?

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Re: preupgrade F10 --> Rawhide

[Konstantin Svist]

Germán Racca wrote:
> Hello everybody:
>
> I have recently run "preupgrade" in my Fedora 10, and I choosed
> to upgrade to Rawhide. The "preupgrade" program made all the
> necessary tasks (downloaded fc11 packages, etc.) and when finished
> it asked to reboot. I rebooted and I got a black screen saying
> "GRUB _" (the _ is blinking) and it reminds in the same way since
> 30 minutes ago.
>
> My question: is it working or I get an error? May I reboot again?
>   

No, it's an error. See here for instructions:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=214137


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Robin Laing]

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:52:23 +0200
Simon Wesp wrote:


The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
should not be allowed in fedora.


Shouldn't you remove all bittorrent clients then :-).



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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 28 May 2009 19:58:18 Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 19:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 May 2009 18:43:33 Craig White wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:08 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
> > > > Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
> > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us
> > > >_per sonal_journal
> > > >
> > > > fyi,
> > >
> > > 
> > > I suppose inherent is the assumption that the problems don't happen
> > > with Windows and that they are always the Linux software.
> > >
> > > My experience with my Acer Aspire One was decidedly different.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > It came with Windows. My USB key and hard drive wouldn't work in
> > > Windows but did work with Linux. After I upgraded the BIOS they also
> > > worked with Windows.
> >
> > Mine came with Lupus (I think) Linux.  I removed it almost from day one
> > and installed Fedora 10.
>
> 
> My understanding is that it is called 'Linpus'

Correct - I knew it didn't sound quite right :-)
> which is derived from 
> Fedora 9 or 10. It is clearly a reduced set of software packages. It
> seems pretty clear that a serious computer user would probably want a
> normal Linux distribution installed but for something that is usable off
> the shelf, it seemed adequate.
>
I believe it would be - it was certainly better than the xandros on the eeepc 
701.

> It was however very useful for developing some alterations to maximize
> battery life and performance.
>
I wouldn't actually recommend running a full gnome or kde on it, as it is 
rather slow, but I wanted to be able to evaluate up-to-date kde packages and 
help with documentation.  It is serving me admirably for my purpose.  If you 
can live with the speed hit, and I've definitely seen worse, then it will do 
anything and everything you would wish.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Andras Simon]

On 5/28/09, Konstantin Svist  wrote:

> Another example from my experience: I bought a Creative webcam on
> impulse (it was very cheap, found it on Slickdeals). Plug it in - no
> dice. Search for the drivers - nothing. Some similar models are
> supported, but not this one (different chipset, I think, was the problem).
> Creative has open source page for this webcam
> (http://tinyurl.com/m72oq3). I'll even save you the trouble of going to
> that page: status is "pending" and there's no link to any sources. So
> what, I'm supposed to write a driver myself?

No. Just stop impulse buying stuff.

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Re: Can't get updates

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Anne Wilson wrote:
> wget: unable to resolve host address `download.fedoraproject.org' - strange!

To reach that mirror you have to assure that:

 1. You can resolve hostnames
Look in /etc/resolv.conf for a valid nameserver;

 2. You should verify you can open a http connection
Try to use netcat:  nc -v 209.132.176.120 80, if you get
"Connection to 209.85.171.100 80 port [tcp/http] succeeded!" so you are
able to connect to the internet.

That error message says it cannot resolve host
download.fedoraproject.org.  Try to resolve for it, using
209.132.176.120 instead.  Otherwise add "nameserver 208.67.222.222" line
at the beginning of /etc/resolv.conf file.

Hope this will help.

Cheers,
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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Mike Burger]

> On Thursday 28 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>Steve Underwood wrote:
>>> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
>>
>>Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio
>> is
>>evil.
>>
>>> Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little
>>> output
>>> to help you resolve problems. If you get it working it seems to offer
>>> you
>>> nothing you didn't have before you had pulseaudio.
> +1000
>>
>>It makes sound just work, without apps fighting for the sound device (or
>>multiple incompatible sound servers all trying to "fix" this fighting for
>>the sound device). No more annoyances like games failing to play sound
>>because some GUI event sound was still being played when they tried
>> opening
>>the sound device. (I've seen, or rather heard, that happen way too often
>> in
>>pre-PulseAudio times.)
>
> Yeah, but with it working, only the system beep works...
>
>>Most sound cards don't do mixing in hardware. A few do support it, but
>> the
>>ALSA driver doesn't. Only few sound cards can do it and have ALSA support
>>for it. So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.
>>
>>Kevin Kofler
>
> If only it worked...
>
> And I will continue to denigrate it until we have a configuration tool
> that
> WILL let us make it work regardless of ones choice of hardware.

And therein lies the rub.

There are times when I can start up my X session, and it appears that
everything works...then, other times, I start up my X session and I get a
popup box indicating that PulseAudo wouldn't work because of something,
and it's falling back to another mode of sound.

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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>Steve Underwood wrote:
>> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
>
>Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is
>evil.
>
>> Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little output
>> to help you resolve problems. If you get it working it seems to offer you
>> nothing you didn't have before you had pulseaudio.
+1000
>
>It makes sound just work, without apps fighting for the sound device (or
>multiple incompatible sound servers all trying to "fix" this fighting for
>the sound device). No more annoyances like games failing to play sound
>because some GUI event sound was still being played when they tried opening
>the sound device. (I've seen, or rather heard, that happen way too often in
>pre-PulseAudio times.)

Yeah, but with it working, only the system beep works...

>Most sound cards don't do mixing in hardware. A few do support it, but the
>ALSA driver doesn't. Only few sound cards can do it and have ALSA support
>for it. So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.
>
>Kevin Kofler

If only it worked...

And I will continue to denigrate it until we have a configuration tool that 
WILL let us make it work regardless of ones choice of hardware.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Damián Rodrí­guez Sánchez]

that's because it's a lot more common for mac drivers to come available 
with the hardware you buy for your computer. have you ever seen a 
keyborad, video card, printer or whatever come with a linux driver in 
the accompanying cd?



Arthur Pemberton escreveu:

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:36:46 -0700
Konstantin Svist wrote:


Is there a driver wrapper for printers out there (similar to
ndiswrapper)c If not, there should be :P

Why stop at printers? I've long believed there should be a generic
windows driver layer in linux that provides all the interfaces
of windows drivers to the kernel so you could use any
windows driver for linux :-).



No one ever seems to expect their Mac to use Windows drivers though.




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Re: No sound from Flash (YouTube)

[Ian Pilcher]

RS wrote:
> 
> Have you tried the 64-bit flash plugin at
> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
>  
> 
> I know it's Alpha - but atleast it works well enough with all the
> youtube and CBS streaming vids..and it avoids a whole lotta multi-lib
> issues...
> 

Works.  Thanks!

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 10:43:33 -0700
Craig White wrote:

> What the author doesn't say is that he has learned to put up with
> Windows problems and writes as if those problems are unique to Linux.
> They are not.

Yep. In fact the very first time I ever had a "plug & play" scanner
actually function by merely plugging it in was when I plugged in
my new HP multi-function box to my fedora 10 system. I almost
had a heart attack :-). It didn't just "plug & play" on windows,
I had to load updated HP software to get it working there.

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Re: No sound from Flash (YouTube)

[RS]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 14:25 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> I'm not sure when this broke; it was working at some point.
> 
> Other sounds work, but Flash gives me nothing but silence.
> 
> This is 64-bit Fedora 10 with flash-plugin-10.0.22.87-release.i386.
> 
> Suggestions appreciated.  Thanks!
> 
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> 
> 

Have you tried the 64-bit flash plugin at
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
 

I know it's Alpha - but atleast it works well enough with all the
youtube and CBS streaming vids..and it avoids a whole lotta multi-lib
issues...

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No sound from Flash (YouTube)

[Ian Pilcher]

I'm not sure when this broke; it was working at some point.

Other sounds work, but Flash gives me nothing but silence.

This is 64-bit Fedora 10 with flash-plugin-10.0.22.87-release.i386.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 19:53 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 19:41:12 Konstantin Svist wrote:
> > True, except for one major difference: when your printer doesn't work
> > under Windows, it's usually because you didn't install the driver yet
> > (or installed the wrong one). Unless the printer is at least a few years
> > old, there are always drivers for it.
> 
> Nope.  From time to time there have been windows releases where the old 
> drivers would not work, and no new ones were written.  I had a SCSI Black 
> Widow scanner that had to be thrown for just that reason.

of course...there is a graveyard for printers and scanners that don't
have drivers for Vista.

The netbooks however don't come with Vista because they will perform
poorly.

So Microsoft will sell a crippled version of Windows 7 for netbooks in
the future and you can give them more money, the amount of which is
determined by how much you are willing to pay for features and
performance hit. It's an interesting market...crippleware.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 19:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 18:43:33 Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:08 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
> > > Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
> > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us_per
> > >sonal_journal
> > >
> > > fyi,
> >
> > 
> > I suppose inherent is the assumption that the problems don't happen with
> > Windows and that they are always the Linux software.
> >
> > My experience with my Acer Aspire One was decidedly different.
> >
> +1
> 
> > It came with Windows. My USB key and hard drive wouldn't work in Windows
> > but did work with Linux. After I upgraded the BIOS they also worked with
> > Windows.
> >
> Mine came with Lupus (I think) Linux.  I removed it almost from day one and 
> installed Fedora 10.

My understanding is that it is called 'Linpus' which is derived from
Fedora 9 or 10. It is clearly a reduced set of software packages. It
seems pretty clear that a serious computer user would probably want a
normal Linux distribution installed but for something that is usable off
the shelf, it seemed adequate.

It was however very useful for developing some alterations to maximize
battery life and performance.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 28 May 2009 19:41:12 Konstantin Svist wrote:
> True, except for one major difference: when your printer doesn't work
> under Windows, it's usually because you didn't install the driver yet
> (or installed the wrong one). Unless the printer is at least a few years
> old, there are always drivers for it.

Nope.  From time to time there have been windows releases where the old 
drivers would not work, and no new ones were written.  I had a SCSI Black 
Widow scanner that had to be thrown for just that reason.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Konstantin Svist]

Craig White wrote:
> What the author doesn't say is that he has learned to put up with
> Windows problems and writes as if those problems are unique to Linux.
> They are not.
>   

True, except for one major difference: when your printer doesn't work
under Windows, it's usually because you didn't install the driver yet
(or installed the wrong one). Unless the printer is at least a few years
old, there are always drivers for it.
With Linux, if it doesn't work out-of-the-box, there's SOMETIMES a 3rd
party driver for it, but if there isn't, you're done.

If you tell Joe Sixpack to "go buy ANY new printer because your old one
is a paperweight," he'll grumble but comply. It's "reasonable" to him
because he doesn't understand how technology works (nor does he care to,
really). Maybe it's partially due to the fact that "it's bad because
it's old" is implied, and Joe can wrap his head around that -- after
all, he's used to hardware (e.g. car) wearing out over time.
With Linux, it's "go buy a COMPATIBLE printer." Does anyone expect Joe
Sixpack to actually do any research and buy the printer that's best for
him?? Hell no, he'll go to the store and buy the shiniest one, or one
that a sales rep will recommend him.
When new stuff doesn't work, Joe gets pissed off. One of two
possibilities: (1) he swears a blood oath against the printer maker, or
(2) he swears a blood oath against Linux. And HP is a huge well known
company which obviously doesn't make mistakes like this. In essence,
Linux is not popular enough to get away with stuff like this.


Another example from my experience: I bought a Creative webcam on
impulse (it was very cheap, found it on Slickdeals). Plug it in - no
dice. Search for the drivers - nothing. Some similar models are
supported, but not this one (different chipset, I think, was the problem).
Creative has open source page for this webcam
(http://tinyurl.com/m72oq3). I'll even save you the trouble of going to
that page: status is "pending" and there's no link to any sources. So
what, I'm supposed to write a driver myself?



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preupgrade F10 --> Rawhide

[Germán Racca]

Hello everybody:

I have recently run "preupgrade" in my Fedora 10, and I choosed
to upgrade to Rawhide. The "preupgrade" program made all the
necessary tasks (downloaded fc11 packages, etc.) and when finished
it asked to reboot. I rebooted and I got a black screen saying
"GRUB _" (the _ is blinking) and it reminds in the same way since
30 minutes ago.

My question: is it working or I get an error? May I reboot again?

Please...can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance,
German.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 28 May 2009 18:43:33 Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:08 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
> > Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us_per
> >sonal_journal
> >
> > fyi,
>
> 
> I suppose inherent is the assumption that the problems don't happen with
> Windows and that they are always the Linux software.
>
> My experience with my Acer Aspire One was decidedly different.
>
+1

> It came with Windows. My USB key and hard drive wouldn't work in Windows
> but did work with Linux. After I upgraded the BIOS they also worked with
> Windows.
>
Mine came with Lupus (I think) Linux.  I removed it almost from day one and 
installed Fedora 10.

> My USB SD card reader doesn't work in Windows so I have to plug into my
> Linux computer to get pictures off the card and transfer them to
> Windows.
>
I couldn't say for sure whether the card reader works or not - I use a usb 
card-reader - but certainly everything else does.

> What the author doesn't say is that he has learned to put up with
> Windows problems and writes as if those problems are unique to Linux.
> They are not.
>
Just a 'for example' - on this full-size laptop I cannot hold a wireless 
network connection for more than a minute or two in windows.  It works 
faultlessly in Mandriva.

The problem, of course, is that people will think the author knows what he is 
talking about.

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Re: What /dev is ethernet Webcam

[Rick Stevens]

Les wrote:

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 16:31 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:

Jim wrote:

On 05/26/2009 09:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

grammar. ;-)

Sorry about my grammar , but i never got past the Third Grade,
my family was poor and I had to take up Bank Robbery, it pays better 
than having a College Ed-U-Ma-cation.

Yes, but does Bank Robbery have a better 401K plan?

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Re: Can't get updates

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 27 May 2009 15:45:45 Antonio M wrote:
> 2009/5/27 Anne Wilson :
> > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 15:09:03 François Patte wrote:
> >> Anne Wilson a écrit :
> >> > I'm having great problem after upgrading F9 to F10 (using an install
> >> > dvd).  I get huge numbers of updates downloaded, but then it fails.
> >>
> >> Did you, before all update yum:
> >>
> >> yum update yum
> >
> > I forgot that - but I can't:
> >
> > Downloading Packages:
> > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/updates/testing/10/i38
> >6/yum-3.2.23-3.fc10.noarch.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError:  > 'Name or service not known')> Trying other mirror.
> >
> >
> > Error Downloading Packages:
> >  yum-3.2.23-3.fc10.noarch: failure: yum-3.2.23-3.fc10.noarch.rpm from
> > updates-testing: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
> >
> > Anne
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> can you download the yum rpm directly and save on your hard disk???
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Eventually I got a url for a mirror, found the new yum, downloaded and 
installed it.  I still have the same problem.  By now I'm almost convinced 
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How do I find the current value of $releasever?  If it's wrong, is the correct 
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SET $releasever = 10

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Alan Cox]

> > Why stop at printers? I've long believed there should be a generic
> > windows driver layer in linux that provides all the interfaces
> > of windows drivers to the kernel so you could use any
> > windows driver for linux :-).
> 
> 
> No one ever seems to expect their Mac to use Windows drivers though.

Mac people griping about driver problems is not unusual however.

My netbook needs Linux driver wrappers for Windows - at least the
wireless only works properly for me in Linux...

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F11 release moved to 2009-06-09

[Paul W. Frields]

Release date has slipped to June 9:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-May/msg00011.html

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:08 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
> Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us_personal_journal
> 
> fyi,

I suppose inherent is the assumption that the problems don't happen with
Windows and that they are always the Linux software.

My experience with my Acer Aspire One was decidedly different.

It came with Windows. My USB key and hard drive wouldn't work in Windows
but did work with Linux. After I upgraded the BIOS they also worked with
Windows.

My USB SD card reader doesn't work in Windows so I have to plug into my
Linux computer to get pictures off the card and transfer them to
Windows.

What the author doesn't say is that he has learned to put up with
Windows problems and writes as if those problems are unique to Linux.
They are not.

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Re: Streaming media server

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 07:42 -0600, Wendell Nichols wrote:
> I currently play my music (which is stored in a file system on a server 
> on my home network) by mounting the filesystem via nfs and playing the 
> files in amarok.  However if any disruption to the wireless network 
> occurs, I lose the mount and, as you know, its hell to recover an nfs 
> mount if the network has failed.   
> What I'd like to have is something like a shoutcast server that would 
> serve up my collection over a network connection or somesuch.  I 
> installed icecast but it doesn't seem appropriate for playing disk based 
> music collections.. meybe I'm wrong about that.
> Any suggestions?

I use mt-daapd which is a simple install. It will serve up any
directory/directories of mp3/m4a files as if it were an iTunes program
sharing it's files and thus could be accessed by any computer on the LAN
capable of using an iTunes music server...like Rhytmbox, iTunes, etc.

Unfortunately, the one program that doesn't seem to be able to connect
is Amarok but perhaps that is because I give up too easily.

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:36:46 -0700
> Konstantin Svist wrote:
>
>> Is there a driver wrapper for printers out there (similar to
>> ndiswrapper)? If not, there should be :P
>
> Why stop at printers? I've long believed there should be a generic
> windows driver layer in linux that provides all the interfaces
> of windows drivers to the kernel so you could use any
> windows driver for linux :-).


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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:36:46 -0700
Konstantin Svist wrote:

> Is there a driver wrapper for printers out there (similar to
> ndiswrapper)? If not, there should be :P

Why stop at printers? I've long believed there should be a generic
windows driver layer in linux that provides all the interfaces
of windows drivers to the kernel so you could use any
windows driver for linux :-).

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Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Konstantin Svist]

Max Pyziur wrote:
>
> Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us_personal_journal
>
>
> fyi,
>
> Max Pyziur
> p...@brama.com
>
"All the netbooks I tried had compatibility problems with other external
devices. The netbooks couldn't load the software drivers to let me print
to my Canon and Dell printers. I couldn't load pictures over a USB cable
from my Canon PowerShot SD750 digital camera. I was able to get my
pictures on the machines by plugging a storage card from my camera
directly into the netbooks."


Yup, I've experienced exactly the same problems. Printers being the
worst, of course, since I just use the SD card readers to transfer
pictures from the camera.

Is there a driver wrapper for printers out there (similar to
ndiswrapper)? If not, there should be :P


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WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks

[Max Pyziur]

Little Laptops With Linux Have Compatibility Issues
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346723960760371.html#mod=todays_us_personal_journal

fyi,

Max Pyziur
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Re: What /dev is ethernet Webcam

[Les]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 16:31 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
> Jim wrote:
> > On 05/26/2009 09:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> >> grammar. ;-)
> > Sorry about my grammar , but i never got past the Third Grade,
> > my family was poor and I had to take up Bank Robbery, it pays better 
> > than having a College Ed-U-Ma-cation.
> 
> Yes, but does Bank Robbery have a better 401K plan?
> 
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Re: Kernel update nuked my machine

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:29:23AM -0500, Smith, Herb wrote:
> Thanks.
> 
> Is there a separate Rescue CD for FC10 or does the live CD serve that
> purpose.  I haven't found a link to a Rescue CD for 10.

You can use the "boot.iso" found in the images/ folder of any
distribution site:

http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/os/images/

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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Delaunay Christophe <
christophe.delau...@thomson.net> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> Many thanks for your interest to my problem. Sorry, I may not have
> replied as soon as you'd expect. This is because, after reading your
> response and others, I tried several things which were suggested to me.
>
> But, first, here's my problem:
>
> My PC is quite old. It's a Compaq desktop 5100 with A Pentium II running
> at 800 mHz, 512 MB of RAM and an Intel I810 audio chip.
>
> On this PC, I first installed a fedora 9 which worked like a charm until
> recently.
>
> On the gnome desktop, I launch the "orca" screen reader which I
> configured to say screen content through the ESpeak speech synthesizer.
>
> A month ago, after a yum update, the synth began to drop last syllables
> of what it had to say. For instance, "Welcome to Orca" became "Welcome
> to Or".
>
> Yesterday, I upgraded the F9 PC to F10 in order to benefit from many
> enhancements of Orca and the gnome desktop from 2.22 top 2.24.
>
> As a result, I don't hear ESpeak anymore.
>
> I suspected pulseaudio to be the culprit after doing the following.
>
> (1) I booted the PC in runlevel 3, (console only).
>
> (2) I logged onto my account and issued the following command:
>
> script -c startx
>
> (3) After awhile, I could hear the login sound and then orca was
> launched and brailled "Welcome to orca" but it did not speak. Also the
> screen reader continued to braille, it did not say anything.
>
> (4) I logged out X and then, after the X server was shut down, I was
> back to the console.
>
> (5) In the "typescript" file which was generated by "script", I read
> that some actions required me to have increased RT_PRIO or RLIMIT_NICE
> capabilities. It was suggested to add my user account to the "pulse-rt"
> group.
>
> (6) I did this by logging as root and entering the command:
>
> usermod -a -G pulse-rt 
>
> Then I logged out from root and back in to my account.
>
> (7) I started the gnome desktop but to no avail. Of course, I didn't
> have the warning I had before but always no speech.
>
> (8) I then logged in as root and tried to "yum erase pulseaudio". Four
> dependent packages were also removed. I wrote down their names in order
> to be able to reinstall them all later.
>
> (9) I then logged out root and logged in back to my account and started
> the gnome desktop. This time, I did not hear the login sound but after
> awhile, I heard ESpeak saying "Welcome to orc". The synth did not finish
> its sentence but it talked. Problem: This is the only sentence I could
> hear. Then, orca was totally frozen: no more braille, no more speech,
> just as if orca was deadlocked somewhere.
>
> (10) I reinstalled pusleaudio and its four dependent packages and tried
> to start gnome again. This time, I heard the login sound but no speech,
> just like in (7).
>
> (11) I finally tried to modify /etc/asound.conf and to create a
> ~/.asoundrc in my home directory, as suggested by Paulo Cavalcanti. This
> time, when I started the gnome desktop, I heard the login sound, then
> "Welcome to Orc", ESpeak did not finish and Orca was frozen like in (9).
>
> Now, I realize that my problem may not be due to pulseaudio but what
> should I do to have ESpeak work in F10 like it did in F9 please?
>
> Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris
>


I have never used orca before, but it seems to be working fine here with
pulseaudio. The difficult part is to make she stop talking  ...

I also tried espeak, and it is also reading file names via command line.

Did  you make a clean install or used some kind of upgrade from F9 to F10?

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Christof Damian]

I am using F10 on the EeePC which works ok, I just have problems with
wakeup after suspend sometimes. You might also need to install some
stuff from rpmfusion to get wireless working.

Another distribution to try would be: http://moblin.org/ . It is a bit
like Xandros but nicer and is a Fedora fork, so it is very easy to
install additional software with yum. It also has a user interface
which works pretty good on netbooks. It comes with all the drivers you
need for the EeePC.

Christof

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 14:00, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
>
> I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
> and am thinking of installing a different OS.
>
> I would like to install Fedora,
> as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines,
> but I'm attracted by the fact that there is
> a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu)
> apparently specifically for the EeePC.
>
> I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
> Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
> on this very small machine?
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RE: Kernel update nuked my machine

[Smith, Herb]

Thanks.

Is there a separate Rescue CD for FC10 or does the live CD serve that
purpose.  I haven't found a link to a Rescue CD for 10.

Herb 

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From: Patrick O'Callaghan [mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:51 AM
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Kernel update nuked my machine

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 08:47 -0500, Smith, Herb wrote:
> Tuesday evening the automatic updater downloaded a kernel update.  
> After rebooting all I get is a totally black screen with "GRUB_" in 
> the upper left corner of the screen.  It responds to nothing on the
keyboard.
> 
> This is a dual boot Dell machine with FC10 and Windows XP.
> 
> Any suggestions?  Is there something I can do with the rescue CD or is

> it best to wait for FC11 and try to just do an update from there?

Boot with the rescue disk. Chroot to /mnt/sysimage. Run "grub-install"
(the default arguments are probably correct). Reboot as normal.

poc

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Alan Evans]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
> and am thinking of installing a different OS.

This came up just a short time ago. To answer your question directly,
I've found F10 to be a very good fit on my EeePC.

I put a LiveCD onto a SD card using livecd-iso-to-disk and installed
from that, which gave me a pretty light install. I followed some of
the advice at:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eee_PC

particularly the use of OpenBox and Epiphany.

I also tweaked my fstab to reduce writing to my internal flash storage:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg01418.html

In all, I love Fedora 10 on my EeePC. I'm excited about trying F11 soon...

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

>
> I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
> and am thinking of installing a different OS.
>
> I would like to install Fedora,
> as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines,
> but I'm attracted by the fact that there is
> a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu)
> apparently specifically for the EeePC.
>
> I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
> Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
> on this very small machine?
>
>
I have F11 running nicely on my 701 4G. I used the Live CD install since it
makes things easy and is a very light install (size wise). I've updated my
bios to get the full 900MHz instead of the stock 630.

Pros:
- Nice a light install
- No issues during install
- All buttons work, even WiFi (on F11, didn't in F10).

Cons:
- have to use EXT4 since it copies the live image over (arguably not good
for SSD's and more I/O overhead)
- Default Gnome is not as snappy as it could be. I've used Openbox/Gnome
combo which helps but some config screens still don't work well for the 480
vertical display. I have to tab over and guess when the "OK" button is
selected.

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:00 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
> and am thinking of installing a different OS.
> 
> I would like to install Fedora,
> as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines,
> but I'm attracted by the fact that there is
> a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu)
> apparently specifically for the EeePC.
> 
> I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
> Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
> on this very small machine?

I'll just repeat what I said a while back. I installed F11pre on my
EeePC 1000HE and am delighted with it. Everything works, even the
special function keys. Note that this machine has a 160GB hd inside,
which may not be the case for you (EeePC models vary quite a lot).

poc

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Re: Kernel update nuked my machine

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 08:47 -0500, Smith, Herb wrote:
> Tuesday evening the automatic updater downloaded a kernel update.  After
> rebooting all I get is a totally black screen with "GRUB_" in the upper
> left corner of the screen.  It responds to nothing on the keyboard.
> 
> This is a dual boot Dell machine with FC10 and Windows XP.
> 
> Any suggestions?  Is there something I can do with the rescue CD or is
> it best to wait for FC11 and try to just do an update from there?

Boot with the rescue disk. Chroot to /mnt/sysimage. Run
"grub-install" (the default arguments are probably correct). Reboot as
normal.

poc

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Jim]

On 05/28/2009 10:26 AM, David wrote:

On 5/28/2009 8:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
   

I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
and am thinking of installing a different OS.

I would like to install Fedora,
as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines,
but I'm attracted by the fact that there is
a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu)
apparently specifically for the EeePC.

I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
on this very small machine?
 


Eee PC

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc

Haven't tried this. I don't have the machine. But it sounds workable.



   

I installed Fedora 10 on a E 1000 and it had drivers for everything.

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[David]

On 5/28/2009 8:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
> and am thinking of installing a different OS.
> 
> I would like to install Fedora,
> as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines,
> but I'm attracted by the fact that there is
> a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu)
> apparently specifically for the EeePC.
> 
> I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
> Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
> on this very small machine?


Eee PC

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc

Haven't tried this. I don't have the machine. But it sounds workable.



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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Ralf Corsepius]

Simon Wesp wrote:


This problem is like the duplicated zlib problematic for rsync and
zsync.


No, it isn't.


Is a modified zlib a duplicate of zlib? Or is it is own fork?

The latter.

Or whatever? 
It's bad design. A package which hacks around into commonly accepted and 
widely used system libraries is simply hacking around.


A proper design would "use zlib" without modifications, like many other 
applications do, or to ask zlib's upstream to adopt the changes.


Ralf

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RE: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Delaunay Christophe]

Hi Kevin,

Many thanks for your interest to my problem. Sorry, I may not have
replied as soon as you'd expect. This is because, after reading your
response and others, I tried several things which were suggested to me.

But, first, here's my problem:

My PC is quite old. It's a Compaq desktop 5100 with A Pentium II running
at 800 mHz, 512 MB of RAM and an Intel I810 audio chip.

On this PC, I first installed a fedora 9 which worked like a charm until
recently.

On the gnome desktop, I launch the "orca" screen reader which I
configured to say screen content through the ESpeak speech synthesizer.

A month ago, after a yum update, the synth began to drop last syllables
of what it had to say. For instance, "Welcome to Orca" became "Welcome
to Or".

Yesterday, I upgraded the F9 PC to F10 in order to benefit from many
enhancements of Orca and the gnome desktop from 2.22 top 2.24.

As a result, I don't hear ESpeak anymore.

I suspected pulseaudio to be the culprit after doing the following.

(1) I booted the PC in runlevel 3, (console only).

(2) I logged onto my account and issued the following command:

script -c startx

(3) After awhile, I could hear the login sound and then orca was
launched and brailled "Welcome to orca" but it did not speak. Also the
screen reader continued to braille, it did not say anything.

(4) I logged out X and then, after the X server was shut down, I was
back to the console.

(5) In the "typescript" file which was generated by "script", I read
that some actions required me to have increased RT_PRIO or RLIMIT_NICE
capabilities. It was suggested to add my user account to the "pulse-rt"
group.

(6) I did this by logging as root and entering the command:

usermod -a -G pulse-rt 

Then I logged out from root and back in to my account.

(7) I started the gnome desktop but to no avail. Of course, I didn't
have the warning I had before but always no speech.

(8) I then logged in as root and tried to "yum erase pulseaudio". Four
dependent packages were also removed. I wrote down their names in order
to be able to reinstall them all later.

(9) I then logged out root and logged in back to my account and started
the gnome desktop. This time, I did not hear the login sound but after
awhile, I heard ESpeak saying "Welcome to orc". The synth did not finish
its sentence but it talked. Problem: This is the only sentence I could
hear. Then, orca was totally frozen: no more braille, no more speech,
just as if orca was deadlocked somewhere.

(10) I reinstalled pusleaudio and its four dependent packages and tried
to start gnome again. This time, I heard the login sound but no speech,
just like in (7).

(11) I finally tried to modify /etc/asound.conf and to create a
~/.asoundrc in my home directory, as suggested by Paulo Cavalcanti. This
time, when I started the gnome desktop, I heard the login sound, then
"Welcome to Orc", ESpeak did not finish and Orca was frozen like in (9).

Now, I realize that my problem may not be due to pulseaudio but what
should I do to have ESpeak work in F10 like it did in F9 please?

Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris

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From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Kofler
Sent: jeudi 28 mai 2009 00:14
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Delaunay Christophe wrote:
> What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please?

Why do you want to do that in the first place? Chances are removing
PulseAudio is not the correct solution for your problem.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: Streaming media server

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Wendell Nichols  wrote:

> I currently play my music (which is stored in a file system on a server on
> my home network) by mounting the filesystem via nfs and playing the files in
> amarok.  However if any disruption to the wireless network occurs, I lose
> the mount and, as you know, its hell to recover an nfs mount if the network
> has failed.   What I'd like to have is something like a shoutcast server
> that would serve up my collection over a network connection or somesuch.  I
> installed icecast but it doesn't seem appropriate for playing disk based
> music collections.. meybe I'm wrong about that.
> Any suggestions?
> wcn
>
>
My favorite is ampache, which I intent to finish the review process one day:

http://ampache.org/

I have it built here (it is noarch):

http://orion.lcg.ufrj.br/RPMS/myrpms-f10-x86_64/repoview/ampache.html


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Kernel update nuked my machine

[Smith, Herb]

Tuesday evening the automatic updater downloaded a kernel update.  After
rebooting all I get is a totally black screen with "GRUB_" in the upper
left corner of the screen.  It responds to nothing on the keyboard.

This is a dual boot Dell machine with FC10 and Windows XP.

Any suggestions?  Is there something I can do with the rescue CD or is
it best to wait for FC11 and try to just do an update from there?

Thanks in advance.

Herb "I now own a boat anchor" Smith

  

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Re: Fedora and jabber MSN gateway

[wwp]

Hello Michael,


On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:30:07 +1000 Michael Fleming 
 wrote:

> On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:52:08 +0200
> wwp  wrote:
> 
> > Hello there,
> > 
> > 
> > does anybody here has ever set up a jabber daemon with a full-featured
> > MSN gateway on a Fedora? Are there helpful howto's online for that?
> 
> Yes, I have one running the MSN Python Transport - It's no different
> than installing other transports/components, the install docs in the
> package outline what needs to be done - there may be some variations
> depending on what XMPP server software you're running.
> 
> My package is here if you're interested (also F9 / CentOS flavours
> available for i386 too)
> 
> http://www.thatfleminggent.com/packages/fedora/10/x86_64/repoview/pymsn-t.html

Many thanks for this reply, Michael. I'll give all this a look and
hopefully will set up my personal jabber/MSN services. Thanks again!


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Re: Streaming media server

[Seann Clark]

Wendell Nichols wrote:
I currently play my music (which is stored in a file system on a 
server on my home network) by mounting the filesystem via nfs and 
playing the files in amarok.  However if any disruption to the 
wireless network occurs, I lose the mount and, as you know, its hell 
to recover an nfs mount if the network has failed.   What I'd like to 
have is something like a shoutcast server that would serve up my 
collection over a network connection or somesuch.  I installed icecast 
but it doesn't seem appropriate for playing disk based music 
collections.. meybe I'm wrong about that.

Any suggestions?
wcn

Use MPD as the player backend plugged into icecast. It works wonderfully 
(I am listening to it right now actually) and it also have a few good 
web based front ends for it, plus tons of linux based GUI's if that is 
your thing, and some good CLI Clients as well. MPD, I believe is in the 
Fedora repository (I haven't had to look for it in some time) but I do 
know that icecast has (or had) an oddity in it for Fedora 9 (I haven't 
tested 10 or 11, but it also only happened on a 64 bit platform) so if 
you have strangeness of the port for icecast not binding properly, 
remove the RPM and compile icecast from source.



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Streaming media server

[Wendell Nichols]

I currently play my music (which is stored in a file system on a server 
on my home network) by mounting the filesystem via nfs and playing the 
files in amarok.  However if any disruption to the wireless network 
occurs, I lose the mount and, as you know, its hell to recover an nfs 
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What I'd like to have is something like a shoutcast server that would 
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Any suggestions?
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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/28/2009 06:32 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300
> Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
> 
>> but maybe
>> some folk just did not realize that yet
> 
> And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish
> actually is? It just comes to them in a flash of insight perhaps?
> Or maybe the zero documentation has something to do with it :-).

This seems to be a theme you like but PulseAudio has a lot of details in
its website

http://pulseaudio.org/

If you have specific questions, join the mailing list and ask or help
out and write up some documentation.

A recent interview

http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/05/sound-of-fedora-11.

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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:

> but maybe
> some folk just did not realize that yet

And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish
actually is? It just comes to them in a flash of insight perhaps?
Or maybe the zero documentation has something to do with it :-).

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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Steve Underwood  wrote:

> Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
>
>> Andras Simon wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
>>> > Steve Underwood wrote:
>>> >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
>>> > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that
>>> PulseAudio is
>>> > evil.
>>>
>>> This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think).
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> > So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.
>>>
>>> You must be joking.
>>>
>> You will probably find that the people who want to get rid of pulseaudio
>> are the vocal minority. For the rest of us, we don't complain because it
>> works perfectly fine for us.
>>
> Vocal minority makes them sound like a bunch of whining trouble makers. In
> reality they are the people for whom it didn't work out of the box, because
> when it doesn't work its so ridiculously painful to figure out what is
> wrong. No documentation. No debug messages.


In fact, there is no need to remove anything for deactivating pulse audio.

One just need to add "~/.asoundrc" to /etc/asound.conf

.
files [
"/etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf"
"~/.asoundrc"
]
.

and create a file ~/.asoundrc with the following contents:

pcm.!default {
type hw
card 0
device 0
}

ctl.!default {
type hw
card 0
}

Of course, a sound application (vlc, mplayer, etc.) should not specify pulse
audio as the default in this case (it should use alsa, instead).

I think if we had an option in some menu for deactivating pulseaudio
in a similar (or better) way, we could avoid a lot of traffic in this list.

Although, I really like pulseaudio and have used it since the beginning,
some people seem to be unable to configure/use it appropriately.

Everything needed is in pavucontrol, and one only needs to click
the right mouse button of the mouse onto the stream identifier
to set defaults or redirect the output to some card, but maybe
some folk just did not realize that yet...

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Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Alessandro Boggiano]

Timothy Murphy ha scritto:

I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
and am thinking of installing a different OS.

I would like to install Fedora,

Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
on this very small machine?



Hello Timothy,
I started with an Ubuntu 9.04 on my eeepc 1000HD, but, (I don't know 
what,) "something" was wrong.

So I decided to try with F11: I'm very happy! :)
IHMO, there are some things to work out : Pulseaudio is a pain, default 
gnome is a little "heavy", (I'm thinking to switch to fluxbux), but I 
want to say that almost everything was working "out of the box".
Oh, a kernel problem with the video card i915 and "tiling disabled" 
(google for it); but I don't complain : F11 is a preview right now.


And, of course, the big deal is "I'm feeling at home" with my Fedora! ;)

Anyway, I think that you can start with a live usb and guve it a try!

Ciao
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EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?

[Timothy Murphy]

I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G,
and am thinking of installing a different OS.

I would like to install Fedora,
as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines,
but I'm attracted by the fact that there is
a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu)
apparently specifically for the EeePC.

I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora
on this very small machine?

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Alan Cox]

> This package comes without pornographic content, but it help you to
> get this content.

So its no different to the origins of pan ;) which we do ship.

> The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
> helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
> guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
> should not be allowed in fedora.

Quick get rid of firefox

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Re: A wallet mystery

[Timothy Murphy]

Kevin Kofler wrote:

>> It seems that each account in KMail must have an identification no,
>> but where it can be found escapes me.
> 
> In the config files in ~/.kde/share/config.

Thanks.

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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Steve Underwood]

Sharpe, Sam J wrote:

Andras Simon wrote:

On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Steve Underwood wrote:
>> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
> Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that 
PulseAudio is

> evil.

This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think).

[...]

> So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.

You must be joking.
You will probably find that the people who want to get rid of 
pulseaudio are the vocal minority. For the rest of us, we don't 
complain because it works perfectly fine for us.
Vocal minority makes them sound like a bunch of whining trouble makers. 
In reality they are the people for whom it didn't work out of the box, 
because when it doesn't work its so ridiculously painful to figure out 
what is wrong. No documentation. No debug messages.


I quite like pulseaudio actually...
Well, its fine when it works. You really wouldn't notice its there, 
which is how these things should be.


Steve

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Simon Wesp]

Tom Horsley  wrotes:
TH> Shouldn't you remove all bittorrent clients then :-).
mh I know my arumentation has a big gap :-)

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:52:23 +0200
Simon Wesp wrote:

> The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
> helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
> guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
> should not be allowed in fedora.

Shouldn't you remove all bittorrent clients then :-).

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Re: Fedora and jabber MSN gateway

[Michael Fleming]

On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:52:08 +0200
wwp  wrote:

> Hello there,
> 
> 
> does anybody here has ever set up a jabber daemon with a full-featured
> MSN gateway on a Fedora? Are there helpful howto's online for that?

Yes, I have one running the MSN Python Transport - It's no different
than installing other transports/components, the install docs in the
package outline what needs to be done - there may be some variations
depending on what XMPP server software you're running.

My package is here if you're interested (also F9 / CentOS flavours
available for i386 too)

http://www.thatfleminggent.com/packages/fedora/10/x86_64/repoview/pymsn-t.html

> Regards,
> 

Cheers,
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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Joonas Sarajärvi]

2009/5/28 Andras Simon :
> On 5/28/09, Sharpe, Sam J  wrote:
>> Andras Simon wrote:
>>> On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
>>> > Steve Underwood wrote:
>>> >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
>>> > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that
>>> PulseAudio is
>>> > evil.
>>>
>>> This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think).
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> > So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.
>>>
>>> You must be joking.
>> You will probably find that the people who want to get rid of pulseaudio
>> are the vocal minority. For the rest of us, we don't complain because it
>> works perfectly fine for us.
>
> You may or may not be right; unless you have numbers, it's really a
> question of faith. But that was not the question here. "PA works for
> the majority" is a very different (and possibly true) statement from
> "PA works for everyone", which is obviously false, and "Most people
> wanted to get rid of pulseaudio only because people like you
> perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil" which is worse.

It's of course hard to find reliable numbers anywhere... maybe Smolt
could be put to
fetch some, though (It already reports if SELinux is enabled, for example).

For what it's worth, I've used pulseaudio in Fedora on at least five
computers of various ages (built roughly 2000-2008), none of which
have had any major trouble with pulseaudio.

>> I quite like pulseaudio actually...
>
> Good for you!

I like it, too! :-)


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Simon Wesp]

Jens Kaddelbach  wrotes:
JK> sounds good! thank you. Can I have a link for that review?

mh, well

The problem is for me, that the guidelines says:
"Content must not be pornographic, or contain nudity, whether animated,
simulated, or photographed. There are better places on the Internet to
get porn."

This package comes without pornographic content, but it help you to
get this content.

This problem is like the duplicated zlib problematic for rsync and
zsync. Is a modified zlib a duplicate of zlib? Or is it is own fork? Or
whatever? 

The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
should not be allowed in fedora.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 05/28/2009 04:09 PM, Jens Kaddelbach wrote:
> sounds good! thank you. Can I have a link for that review?


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503013

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Jens Kaddelbach]

sounds good! thank you. Can I have a link for that review?

2009/5/28 Simon Wesp 

> Simon Wesp  wrotes:
> SW> very interessting... I saw this 2 days ago on gnomefiles.org
> SW> There is a gap in the guidelines, for a case like that!
> SW> mh, I will take a look in it.
>
> @ Jens,
> I created a review a few minutes ago. I don't know if it is allowed in
> Fedora, because i didn't find a hint in the Guidelines, but I know who
> knows best... The Fedora Reviewers and perhaps the legal team. I will
> create a legal blocker for this review!
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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Andras Simon]

On 5/28/09, Sharpe, Sam J  wrote:
> Andras Simon wrote:
>> On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
>> > Steve Underwood wrote:
>> >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
>> > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that
>> PulseAudio is
>> > evil.
>>
>> This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think).
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.
>>
>> You must be joking.
> You will probably find that the people who want to get rid of pulseaudio
> are the vocal minority. For the rest of us, we don't complain because it
> works perfectly fine for us.

You may or may not be right; unless you have numbers, it's really a
question of faith. But that was not the question here. "PA works for
the majority" is a very different (and possibly true) statement from
"PA works for everyone", which is obviously false, and "Most people
wanted to get rid of pulseaudio only because people like you
perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil" which is worse.

> I quite like pulseaudio actually...

Good for you!

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

[Simon Wesp]

Simon Wesp  wrotes:
SW> very interessting... I saw this 2 days ago on gnomefiles.org
SW> There is a gap in the guidelines, for a case like that!
SW> mh, I will take a look in it.

@ Jens,
I created a review a few minutes ago. I don't know if it is allowed in
Fedora, because i didn't find a hint in the Guidelines, but I know who
knows best... The Fedora Reviewers and perhaps the legal team. I will
create a legal blocker for this review! 
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Re: What /dev is ethernet Webcam

[Andrew Kelly]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 16:31 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
> Jim wrote:
> > On 05/26/2009 09:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> >> grammar. ;-)
> > Sorry about my grammar , but i never got past the Third Grade,
> > my family was poor and I had to take up Bank Robbery, it pays better 
> > than having a College Ed-U-Ma-cation.
> 
> Yes, but does Bank Robbery have a better 401K plan?
> 
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401, 402, whatever it takes.


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Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

[Sharpe, Sam J]

Andras Simon wrote:

On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Steve Underwood wrote:
>> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio.
> Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that 
PulseAudio is

> evil.

This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think).

[...]

> So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone.

You must be joking.
You will probably find that the people who want to get rid of pulseaudio 
are the vocal minority. For the rest of us, we don't complain because it 
works perfectly fine for us.


I quite like pulseaudio actually...

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