Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:36 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:
> Somebody has enough confidence in filling bugs to fill this one? I
> find bugzilla is a nightmare.

You really need to fill in bugzilla yourself, because unless you provide
them with the answer at the same time, or they're able to reproduce the
problem that YOU have, the next step will probably be them asking you to
do some more testing for them.

I don't find filling bugzilla in to be too hard.  Finding out if you're
about to duplicate an already listed bug is painful, or just looking for
similar bugs (the search function is a bit crap), and selecting the
right package to report is painful (actually selecting it from the huge
list, but not, so much, working out which one to select).

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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 13:11 -0400, linux guy wrote:
> if I do a cd /boot from the chroot session, it shows a blank
> directory.   However, if I cd to /media/-/boot, its definitely not
> empty.
> 
> I think I need to link the /boot directory to /media/-/boot and then
> to an rpm -i against the F12 kernel rpm to reinstall the entries into
> the database and then do a rpm -e to actually remove the files.

For future reference, do not confuse the /boot partition, with a /boot
directory that will be used as the mount point for it, but isn't
currently mounted there.

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Re: F9 ---> F11 server update with preupgrade?

[stan]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:29:06 -0700
stan  wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:11:52 +0200
> Peter Diercks  wrote:
> 
> > Hello List!
> > 
> > I am running Fedora 9 on a remote dedicated server leased from a
> > service provider. Access is through SSH. It is a LAMP server with
> > moodle (an educational cms) as the only application. I want to
> > upgrade to Fedora 11, and I need some advice as to which method to
> > choose. Should I
> > 
> > - use preupgrade-cli for a direct upgrade F9 to F11?
> > - use preupgrade-cli for upgrading to F10 first, and then to F11?
> > - avoid upgrading with preupgrade-cli at all, and do a fresh F11
> > install instead?
> > 
> > I prefer one of the first two methods over the latter one, but I
> > remember reading many complaints about preupgrade.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your help,
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> Your first option is not possible.  Preupgrade can't be used for that,
> at least that is what I found when I used it to upgrade F9.  It
> failed, by the way, but I don't think it could be blamed on
> preupgrade.  I didn't do in depth investigation because I was going
> to wipe the partition anyway and was only experi So it is either 2 or
> 3.  

This didn't come out right, so I am completing it here.  The preupgrade
failed at the reboot when it couldn't find the kernel it wanted to
boot.  I had custom compiled kernels on that system, and I think it got
confused by their naming.  The preupgrade said it completed
successfully, and said I just had to reboot to complete it, but it kept
getting kernel not found. Because I was just experimenting to test
preupgrade functionality, I didn't spend a lot of time determining a
solution before I wiped the partition.  I suspect more effort would
have salvaged the upgrade.

I have upgraded successfully in the past with only small problems
afterwards with configuration cleanup.

> 
> I prefer fresh installs, restoring any customized pieces on the new
> system.
> 

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Re: PulseAudio...

[Amadeus W.M.]

> So Ill ask, is there either a way to get this pos working, or is there
> any way to just turn it off so it wont bother me?
> 

Like many others I had troubles with pulseaudio so I understand. 

I skipped from F9 to F11 so I'm not sure about the F10 specifics, but as 
of F9 I came up with the following choices:


1) Uninstall completely:

yum remove pulseaudio


2) Keep it installed, but disable it in gnome, hoping to fix it later:

killall pulse

solves the problem but only for the current gnome session. For a more 
permanent solution, pulseaudio is started when the X-server is started, by 
/usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon. To tell gnome-settings-daemon not to 
start pulseaudio do

applications -> system tools -> gconf-editor -> apps -> 
gnome_settings_daemon -> plugins -> sound 
and uncheck "active".



3) Try to configure it properly.

I have an onboard soundcard, a pci soundcard and a bttv framegrabber (with 
some sound device on it) and pulseaudio was getting confused. I had my 
speakers plugged into the pci sound card, obviously, but by default 
pulseaudio would use the onboard soundcard. 

cat /proc/asound/cards  # to see which dound cards you have

pactl stat   # see which sink it's using

pactl list   # see which sinks it knows about. 

If the sink currently in use is not the card you have your speakers 
plugged in, tell it to use the sink/card you want by setting default-sink 
to the appropriate number (as given by pactl list) in /etc/pulse/
client.conf.

I did this and got pulseaudio to work in F9. Oh, and there was also a 
sound application in F9 (which I no longer see in F11) where you could 
choose which sound system to use (like pulse, alsa, oss, whatever). I 
think I messed with that too, but I think the thing that got it to work 
was to tell puslseaudio to use the appropriate sink for the sound card I 
had the speakers plugged into.

Beyond this I don't know.

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Re: f11 upgrade question

[suvayu ali]

2009/7/16 w bugar :
> I know that fresh install is the recommended path but getting all the mplayer 
> deps installed is just too painfull to go thru again, if I can help it.

I can't help you with your other problem, but as for the mplayer and
its deps just follow this.

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f11.html#mediaplayers

Hope this helps.

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[gilpel]

> On 07/16/2009 10:40 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote:

> What you're missing is that the codecs are required for the player to
> load and play the media.  The codecs are not required to read the
> contents of the CD.

I see. You're teaching me a lot here. I always thought that, when you
install the mplayer codecs, it was really to play Windows Media and,
maybe, some more video codecs. Now you tell me it's only to load the
media. Interesting.

> A wonderful 3rd party repo is rpmfusion.org.

Well, I've been through the fedorafaq site and I do believe I installed
therpmfusion repository. I didn't collect the mplayer codecs on mplayer's
site :)

> They provide many
> wonderful tools and options to make your desktop linux experience much
> more enjoyable...

It's just too bad that you stop short of telling me which codecs "required
to load and play the media".

I'm very quick on the yum install command and since I have the rpmfusion
repository installed, it will be my pleasure to install all that's
needed... when I wake up tomorrow :)



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f11 upgrade question

[w bugar]

Hello list, 
I was trying to upgrade from f10 to f11 (from DVD) but am getting a 
"insufficient disk space" message after the "preparing transaction" step gets 
to 90%. I have a 10G disk with df showing 1.9G avail.
Any way to get the upgrade to finish? 
Is 10G now too small?
I think the disk just has f10 and stuff to get mplayer working.
I know that fresh install is the recommended path but getting all the mplayer 
deps installed is just too painfull to go thru again, if I can help it.
Thx,
Bill


  

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[Shannon McMackin]

On 07/16/2009 10:40 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote:

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:26 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:

Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk
on
my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are
present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the
damned music.

Which part of "Fedora does not support proprietary formats" do you not
understand? If you want .wav support, you need to add codecs from a
non-Fedora repo. I apologize if you did this and it didn't work, but you
don't say so.


I can read the CD, so the codecs are installed.

What I explained is that the way to get the CD playing is far, very far,
from as obvious as if you were using a Mac or Windows.

User friendlyness is N-I-L.

What you're missing is that the codecs are required for the player to 
load and play the media.  The codecs are not required to read the 
contents of the CD.


A wonderful 3rd party repo is rpmfusion.org.  They provide many 
wonderful tools and options to make your desktop linux experience much 
more enjoyable...


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Re: How to get vsftpd working

[Tony Nelson]

On 09-07-16 18:59:02, Ed Landaveri wrote:
 ...
> The reason your directory listing fails is because of iptables.
> Remember vsftp as any ftp server uses incoming port 21 connections 
> but not well-known ports outgoing connections. Google and you'll find 
> the exact configuration.

He's using PASV mode, so only one port.  The messages clearly indicate 
a problem of some sort on the server.  Checking the logs is next.

 ...
> > -Original Message-
> > From: pem...@gmail.com
> > Sent: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:23:01 -0500
> > To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: How to get vsftpd working
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Paolo Galtieri
> >  wrote:
 ...
> >> If I try to put a file I get:
> >> 
> >> ftp> put SPAM
> >> local: SPAM remote: SPAM
> >> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,31,17).
> >> 553 Could not create file.
> >> 
> >> If I try to list the directory:
> >> 
> >> ftp> dir
> >> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,211,221).
> >> 150 Here comes the directory listing.
> >> 226 Transfer done (but failed to open directory).
> >> ftp>

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Re: PulseAudio...

[Kam Leo]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Reg Clemens wrote:
> I had hoped, that since f10 has been out now for at least 6months, that the
> children that wished pulseaudio on us, would have fixed it so that it would
> work 'out of the box'
>
> Alas, Im sure that they are off breaking something else in Fedora instead.
>
> I have had had audio working on Redhat/Fedora for years, no problems.
> The went from one system to another, always with backward compatibility,
>
> Thats a couple of words that Fedora in general just doesnt understand.
>
> I just did a 'new' f10 install, and really expected to have sound working,
> just out of the box.
>
> No such luck.
> The things I did to get sound working 6months ago no longer seem to work.
>
> Sound is just a small aside in the current project, its a shame to have to
> spend this much time trying (unsuccessfully) to get it running.
>
> So Ill ask, is there either a way to get this pos working,
> or is there any way to just turn it off so it wont bother me?
>
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>                                        ...@dwf.com
>

Pulse Audio is not as suppressive in F10 as in F11. Have you tried
un-installing it?

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:26 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:
> Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on
> my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are
> present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the
> damned music. If I go to Application, sound and video, the first option,
> "Audio Player", opens XMMS.
> 
> Great! I click the forward button... I'm presented with a list of the...
> no, no, no! not the files on the CD, but the files in my home directory!!!
> Wow, we're really moving forward! I painfully navigate to /media, there's
> nothing in /media.
> 
> Let's check mtab, my DVD/CD is on sr0, I believe. Nope, nothing there.
> 
> Well, if the intend was to scare away Mac and Windows users, I would think
> that the success rate is 100%. I've been using Linux for 8 years and even
> "I" am scared! I do understand Fedora is for geeks, but would it make
> their life that difficult if things kinda worked? Didn't anybody notice
> that the present set-up makes absolutely no sense?
> 
> At least, normally, you should go to => System, Preference, File
> Management, Media to select a default CD and DVD player. Still impossible!
> No option to change anything. I wrote about this. Nobody replied.
> 
> Who's responsible for setting things this way? Is anyboby responsible
> somewhere or is it "We do all this together in a haphazard way" ? If so,
> never expect any significant market share for Linux. Radio-Canada will
> continue to use Windows Media because "Linux is too hard for ordinary
> people" (MSFT trademark).
> 
> You think I'm a ranter? I've been told this quite often. But, while some
> people write code, I write to the Quebec Press Council.
> 
> I explain that a certain so-called journalist is just a Microsoft
> sycophant. Every time he used Windows Vista, of course, there were a
> few... almost bugs. but certainly no show stopper.
> 
> With Linux, the question is more complex. When a new version of Firefox
> comes out, for instance, instead of waiting for the upgrade, he gets the
> executable at Mozilla and, then, everything gets really complicated.
> 
> Of course, the Press Concil understands perfectly what's going on. I made
> sure my basic complaint was very easy to understand: I explained the
> journalist NEVER discussed the appropriateness for the State --
> television, amongst others -- of using proprietary format and never
> discussed tied sales. That's it, that's all.
> 
> Still, after counceiding that the Press organisation lawyers had well
> understood my POV, the Council judged that the journalist gives a lot of
> coverage to Linux --  they didn't elabore on the kind of coverage: they
> can't evaluate, of course -- and, you know, given that Linux hardly has 1%
> of the market share, they found the coverage was adequate.
> 
> So, I filed an appeal... and sent a copy to the Professional Federation of
> Journalists... I got my appeal.
> 
> But the fight is far from over. The Press Council is heavily subsidized by
> the employer of said journalist, and Radio-Canada, another member of the
> Microsoft club. Seeing subsidies vaporize scares the shit out of those
> learned men: they could lose their precious jobs!
> 
> So, they'll try every trick in the book to give a very mild tone to their
> judgement. But I have a few other tricks in my book to set the records
> straight, though having the support from the Linux community would
> certainly help.
> 
> Cause... do you really believe I got any help from local coders for this
> fight? I got none, absolutely NONE. Why? Cause I'm a ranter. In other
> words, though I am not a programmer, when I see things that are not done
> correctly, I say so. They tell me I should fix the bugs.
> 
> Why is it that there are so many programmers and I can't even set a
> default application for reading CD and DVDs? While I'm alone to do what I
> consider my job, why is it that the whole community doesn't get its act
> together to do such simple things?
> 
> Sometimes I wished I could proselytize in a more positive way. I'd like to
> tell Apple users that Linux equals or surpasses OS X in user friendlyness,
> but it doesn't. It was like this ten years ago, it is still like this now.
> Countrary to what we could think from the success of Steve Jobs at the
> helm of Apple, in the Linux world, the only people who count are
> programmers. They'll fix things... soon.
> 
> But Linux is not so young anymore. After 18 years, it has 1% market share.
> I believe there are some organizational bugs that need to be ironed out.
> For now, from an administrative POV, Linux is a merry-go-round that
> doesn't make much sense.
> 
> What do you say, am I a ranter or an evangelist? Is it good for Linux to
> be ruled by programmers, the alternative not being necessarily the
> marketing department? :)
> 
> Red Hat has some clout. How come they don't say "We want a music player
> that first detects CD files and plays them" and

Re: F9 ---> F11 server update with preupgrade?

[Kam Leo]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Peter Diercks wrote:
>>> Hello List!
>>>
>>> I am running Fedora 9 on a remote dedicated server leased from a service
>>> provider. Access is through SSH. It is a LAMP server with moodle (an
>>> educational cms) as the only application. I want to upgrade to Fedora
>>> 11, and I need some advice as to which method to choose. Should I
>>>
>>> - use preupgrade-cli for a direct upgrade F9 to F11?
>>> - use preupgrade-cli for upgrading to F10 first, and then to F11?
>>> - avoid upgrading with preupgrade-cli at all, and do a fresh F11 install
>>> instead?
>>>
>>> I prefer one of the first two methods over the latter one, but I
>>> remember reading many complaints about preupgrade.
>> _
>>
>> An interesting note... the documentation says the preupgrade path F9->F11 is
>> not possible, but this bugzilla entry[1] says otherwise. Having said that, 
>> I'd
>> try a direct upgrade F9->F11.
>>
>> [1]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506750
>>
>> ~af
>
> I'll correct myself here. The bug seems to talk about a standard upgrade,
> perhaps using DVD media. It does not mention preupgrade.
>
> ~af

Fedora, since about forever (If you don't believe me check the list
archives.), has recommended a fresh install versus upgrading an
existing system.  If you must upgrade use the DVD. The net-install CD
is usable; but, it does not allow addition of other repositories
(updates, rmpfusion, etc.) so you'll end up performing more updates
post-install.

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[gilpel]

> On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:26 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:
>> Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk
>> on
>> my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are
>> present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the
>> damned music.
>
> Which part of "Fedora does not support proprietary formats" do you not
> understand? If you want .wav support, you need to add codecs from a
> non-Fedora repo. I apologize if you did this and it didn't work, but you
> don't say so.

I can read the CD, so the codecs are installed.

What I explained is that the way to get the CD playing is far, very far,
from as obvious as if you were using a Mac or Windows.

User friendlyness is N-I-L.

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, gil...@altern.org  wrote:

> From: gil...@altern.org 
> Subject: Ranter or evangelist?
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 7:26 PM
> Why is it that, when I insert an
> audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on
> my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files
> that are
> present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to
> play the
> damned music. If I go to Application, sound and video, the
> first option,
> "Audio Player", opens XMMS.
> 
> Great! I click the forward button... I'm presented with a
> list of the...
> no, no, no! not the files on the CD, but the files in my
> home directory!!!
> Wow, we're really moving forward! I painfully navigate to
> /media, there's
> nothing in /media.
> 
> Let's check mtab, my DVD/CD is on sr0, I believe. Nope,
> nothing there.
> 
> Well, if the intend was to scare away Mac and Windows
> users, I would think
> that the success rate is 100%. I've been using Linux for 8
> years and even
> "I" am scared! I do understand Fedora is for geeks, but
> would it make
> their life that difficult if things kinda worked? Didn't
> anybody notice
> that the present set-up makes absolutely no sense?
> 
> At least, normally, you should go to => System,
> Preference, File
> Management, Media to select a default CD and DVD player.
> Still impossible!
> No option to change anything. I wrote about this. Nobody
> replied.
> 
> Who's responsible for setting things this way? Is anyboby
> responsible
> somewhere or is it "We do all this together in a haphazard
> way" ? If so,
> never expect any significant market share for Linux.
> Radio-Canada will
> continue to use Windows Media because "Linux is too hard
> for ordinary
> people" (MSFT trademark).
> 
> You think I'm a ranter? I've been told this quite often.
> But, while some
> people write code, I write to the Quebec Press Council.
> 
> I explain that a certain so-called journalist is just a
> Microsoft
> sycophant. Every time he used Windows Vista, of course,
> there were a
> few... almost bugs. but certainly no show stopper.
> 
> With Linux, the question is more complex. When a new
> version of Firefox
> comes out, for instance, instead of waiting for the
> upgrade, he gets the
> executable at Mozilla and, then, everything gets really
> complicated.
> 
> Of course, the Press Concil understands perfectly what's
> going on. I made
> sure my basic complaint was very easy to understand: I
> explained the
> journalist NEVER discussed the appropriateness for the
> State --
> television, amongst others -- of using proprietary format
> and never
> discussed tied sales. That's it, that's all.
> 
> Still, after counceiding that the Press organisation
> lawyers had well
> understood my POV, the Council judged that the journalist
> gives a lot of
> coverage to Linux --  they didn't elabore on the kind
> of coverage: they
> can't evaluate, of course -- and, you know, given that
> Linux hardly has 1%
> of the market share, they found the coverage was adequate.
> 
> So, I filed an appeal... and sent a copy to the
> Professional Federation of
> Journalists... I got my appeal.
> 
> But the fight is far from over. The Press Council is
> heavily subsidized by
> the employer of said journalist, and Radio-Canada, another
> member of the
> Microsoft club. Seeing subsidies vaporize scares the shit
> out of those
> learned men: they could lose their precious jobs!
> 
> So, they'll try every trick in the book to give a very mild
> tone to their
> judgement. But I have a few other tricks in my book to set
> the records
> straight, though having the support from the Linux
> community would
> certainly help.
> 
> Cause... do you really believe I got any help from local
> coders for this
> fight? I got none, absolutely NONE. Why? Cause I'm a
> ranter. In other
> words, though I am not a programmer, when I see things that
> are not done
> correctly, I say so. They tell me I should fix the bugs.
> 
> Why is it that there are so many programmers and I can't
> even set a
> default application for reading CD and DVDs? While I'm
> alone to do what I
> consider my job, why is it that the whole community doesn't
> get its act
> together to do such simple things?
> 
> Sometimes I wished I could proselytize in a more positive
> way. I'd like to
> tell Apple users that Linux equals or surpasses OS X in
> user friendlyness,
> but it doesn't. It was like this ten years ago, it is still
> like this now.
> Countrary to what we could think from the success of Steve
> Jobs at the
> helm of Apple, in the Linux world, the only people who
> count are
> programmers. They'll fix things... soon.
> 
> But Linux is not so young anymore. After 18 years, it has
> 1% market share.
> I believe there are some organizational bugs that need to
> be ironed out.
> For now, from an administrative POV, Linux is a
> merry-go-round that
> doesn't make much sense.
> 
> What do you say, am I a ranter or an evangelist? Is it good
> for 

Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

[gilpel]

> On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:04 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:
>> peter wrote:
>>
>> > What you could do is install pavucontrol.
>> > Start pavucontrol and select the Configuration tab.
>> > Try to find the correct output device.
>>
>> pavucontrol doesn't work in x86_64. Well, not here. Maybe somebody has a
>> different experience?
>
> Works for me.

Well, I dunno, maybe we don't have the same hardware? I have a
GA-MA770T-UD3P mobo with a Realtek ALC888 audio chipset. Whether I start
pavucontrol from the command line or the application menu, I get:

http://cjoint.com/data/hqucXVQGHM.htm

I tried booting with the CD, then, since pavucontrol isn't installed by
default, I installed it. Same result.

Let's see. Google ALC888 pulseaudio "connection failed"

Results 1 - 10 of about 251, some dating from nov 2008.

Google with: Realtek ALC888 pulseaudio pavucontrol "connection failed"
+solved -"not solved" -"haven't solved"

2 irrelevant results.

I could fill a bug report, though I believe I saw one when my search was
less complete, kinda only 'pulseaudio "connection failed"' But I won't.

As I already explained, first time I noticed a bug, I wasn't a Fedora
user: the minimum hardware recommendation for installing Fedora was
incorrect. Rahul Sundaram was kind enough to fill the bug. Rahul works for
Red Hat, the bug is still there 2 months later. Many people will lose lots
of time with this and it would take a few second to change.

Since open source is about sharing code and SMPlayer does a very good job
with Realtek ALC888, it should be an easy job, I suppose. No?

Somebody has enough confidence in filling bugs to fill this one? I find
bugzilla is a nightmare.

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 22:26 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote:
> Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk
> on
> my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are
> present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the
> damned music.

Which part of "Fedora does not support proprietary formats" do you not
understand? If you want .wav support, you need to add codecs from a
non-Fedora repo. I apologize if you did this and it didn't work, but you
don't say so.

Regarding the rest of your post, I have no opinion.

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Ranter or evangelist?

[gilpel]

Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on
my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are
present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the
damned music. If I go to Application, sound and video, the first option,
"Audio Player", opens XMMS.

Great! I click the forward button... I'm presented with a list of the...
no, no, no! not the files on the CD, but the files in my home directory!!!
Wow, we're really moving forward! I painfully navigate to /media, there's
nothing in /media.

Let's check mtab, my DVD/CD is on sr0, I believe. Nope, nothing there.

Well, if the intend was to scare away Mac and Windows users, I would think
that the success rate is 100%. I've been using Linux for 8 years and even
"I" am scared! I do understand Fedora is for geeks, but would it make
their life that difficult if things kinda worked? Didn't anybody notice
that the present set-up makes absolutely no sense?

At least, normally, you should go to => System, Preference, File
Management, Media to select a default CD and DVD player. Still impossible!
No option to change anything. I wrote about this. Nobody replied.

Who's responsible for setting things this way? Is anyboby responsible
somewhere or is it "We do all this together in a haphazard way" ? If so,
never expect any significant market share for Linux. Radio-Canada will
continue to use Windows Media because "Linux is too hard for ordinary
people" (MSFT trademark).

You think I'm a ranter? I've been told this quite often. But, while some
people write code, I write to the Quebec Press Council.

I explain that a certain so-called journalist is just a Microsoft
sycophant. Every time he used Windows Vista, of course, there were a
few... almost bugs. but certainly no show stopper.

With Linux, the question is more complex. When a new version of Firefox
comes out, for instance, instead of waiting for the upgrade, he gets the
executable at Mozilla and, then, everything gets really complicated.

Of course, the Press Concil understands perfectly what's going on. I made
sure my basic complaint was very easy to understand: I explained the
journalist NEVER discussed the appropriateness for the State --
television, amongst others -- of using proprietary format and never
discussed tied sales. That's it, that's all.

Still, after counceiding that the Press organisation lawyers had well
understood my POV, the Council judged that the journalist gives a lot of
coverage to Linux --  they didn't elabore on the kind of coverage: they
can't evaluate, of course -- and, you know, given that Linux hardly has 1%
of the market share, they found the coverage was adequate.

So, I filed an appeal... and sent a copy to the Professional Federation of
Journalists... I got my appeal.

But the fight is far from over. The Press Council is heavily subsidized by
the employer of said journalist, and Radio-Canada, another member of the
Microsoft club. Seeing subsidies vaporize scares the shit out of those
learned men: they could lose their precious jobs!

So, they'll try every trick in the book to give a very mild tone to their
judgement. But I have a few other tricks in my book to set the records
straight, though having the support from the Linux community would
certainly help.

Cause... do you really believe I got any help from local coders for this
fight? I got none, absolutely NONE. Why? Cause I'm a ranter. In other
words, though I am not a programmer, when I see things that are not done
correctly, I say so. They tell me I should fix the bugs.

Why is it that there are so many programmers and I can't even set a
default application for reading CD and DVDs? While I'm alone to do what I
consider my job, why is it that the whole community doesn't get its act
together to do such simple things?

Sometimes I wished I could proselytize in a more positive way. I'd like to
tell Apple users that Linux equals or surpasses OS X in user friendlyness,
but it doesn't. It was like this ten years ago, it is still like this now.
Countrary to what we could think from the success of Steve Jobs at the
helm of Apple, in the Linux world, the only people who count are
programmers. They'll fix things... soon.

But Linux is not so young anymore. After 18 years, it has 1% market share.
I believe there are some organizational bugs that need to be ironed out.
For now, from an administrative POV, Linux is a merry-go-round that
doesn't make much sense.

What do you say, am I a ranter or an evangelist? Is it good for Linux to
be ruled by programmers, the alternative not being necessarily the
marketing department? :)

Red Hat has some clout. How come they don't say "We want a music player
that first detects CD files and plays them" and accept to include them on
the default CD only on this condition?

Etc., etc., etc.

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Re: PolicyKit - Authorizations - VNC - Add/Remove - Non-Root User

[Albert Graham]

F-IN-A


/* RANT ON

I can't help but think that all of this policy junk on a default 
install of the Linux Operating System is akin to microsoft's 
implementation of the standard unix operating philosophy of operating 
as a non-root user.  If we want to tighten up our security, then we 
should have tools such as Policy Kit to do this, and I am assuming 
that this is PolicyKit that is preventing me from running this and not 
some other bug.  But its ridiculous to try the linux community in the 
same fashion that Microsoft treats the average household user.


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A graphics driver problem - poor quality and resolution on F11.

[Simon Slater]

G'day all,
I have a s3virge graphics card and Acerview56c monitor.  All 
looked
fine with FC6 but with F11 there are vertical lines and following the
mouse pointer are some pixels in contrasting colours. The maximum screen
size available through system-config-display is 832x624.
The driver in /etc/X11xorg.conf is the s3virge driver and appears under
hardware in s-c-d, which also shows the correct monitor.

I booted to Knoppix and the display was crystal clear at a resolution
of 1024x768 using the s3virge driver.

s-c-d won't let me change either the driver to vesa or the monitor to a
generic 1024x768.  Where do I find the source of the problem?

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Re: PulseAudio...

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 18:38 -0600, Reg Clemens wrote:
> I had hoped, that since f10 has been out now for at least 6months, that the
> children that wished pulseaudio on us, would have fixed it so that it would
> work 'out of the box'
> 
> Alas, Im sure that they are off breaking something else in Fedora instead.
> 
> I have had had audio working on Redhat/Fedora for years, no problems.
> The went from one system to another, always with backward compatibility, 
> 
> Thats a couple of words that Fedora in general just doesnt understand.
> 
> I just did a 'new' f10 install, and really expected to have sound working,
> just out of the box.
> 
> No such luck. 
> The things I did to get sound working 6months ago no longer seem to work.
> 
> Sound is just a small aside in the current project, its a shame to have to
> spend this much time trying (unsuccessfully) to get it running.
> 
> So Ill ask, is there either a way to get this pos working, 
> or is there any way to just turn it off so it wont bother me?

I don't suppose that it occurred to you that the tone of your message
will turn off many who might have otherwise chosen to help you. Good
luck on your search for answers. Might I suggest google?

Craig


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Re: How to get vsftpd working

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Ed Landaveri wrote:
>> I would advise you NOT to allow WRITE_ENABLE. If your clients are other 
>> *.nix clients you only need scp/sftp or psftp on Windows clients. If you 
>> have MAC clients they also can use scp. These clients run over ssh that come 
>> stardard on Fedora/CentOS/Red Hat boxes. If you have Debian you install the 
>> ssh server and this will put the secure copy/ftp clients too. This way you 
>> just allow anonymous access and if your users want to upload anything to 
>> your server they will use a secure connection to their home directories. 
>> Good for loggin purposes too!
>>
>> The reason your directory listing fails is because of iptables. Remember 
>> vsftp as any ftp server uses incoming port 21 connections but not well-known 
>> ports outgoing connections. Google and you'll find the exact configuration.
>
> If it is an iptables/firewall proble, system-config-firewall or maybe
> system-config-securitylevel can be used to fix it
_

Keep in mind that system-config-firewall opens a port in a general
sense and offers
no granularity to specify only this or that IP.
Is there a system-config-securitylevel package for F11?

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Re: F9 ---> F11 server update with preupgrade?

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Peter Diercks wrote:
>> Hello List!
>>
>> I am running Fedora 9 on a remote dedicated server leased from a service
>> provider. Access is through SSH. It is a LAMP server with moodle (an
>> educational cms) as the only application. I want to upgrade to Fedora
>> 11, and I need some advice as to which method to choose. Should I
>>
>> - use preupgrade-cli for a direct upgrade F9 to F11?
>> - use preupgrade-cli for upgrading to F10 first, and then to F11?
>> - avoid upgrading with preupgrade-cli at all, and do a fresh F11 install
>> instead?
>>
>> I prefer one of the first two methods over the latter one, but I
>> remember reading many complaints about preupgrade.
> _
>
> An interesting note... the documentation says the preupgrade path F9->F11 is
> not possible, but this bugzilla entry[1] says otherwise. Having said that, I'd
> try a direct upgrade F9->F11.
>
> [1]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506750
>
> ~af

I'll correct myself here. The bug seems to talk about a standard upgrade,
perhaps using DVD media. It does not mention preupgrade.

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PulseAudio...

[Reg Clemens]

I had hoped, that since f10 has been out now for at least 6months, that the
children that wished pulseaudio on us, would have fixed it so that it would
work 'out of the box'

Alas, Im sure that they are off breaking something else in Fedora instead.

I have had had audio working on Redhat/Fedora for years, no problems.
The went from one system to another, always with backward compatibility, 

Thats a couple of words that Fedora in general just doesnt understand.

I just did a 'new' f10 install, and really expected to have sound working,
just out of the box.

No such luck. 
The things I did to get sound working 6months ago no longer seem to work.

Sound is just a small aside in the current project, its a shame to have to
spend this much time trying (unsuccessfully) to get it running.

So Ill ask, is there either a way to get this pos working, 
or is there any way to just turn it off so it wont bother me?

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Re: F9 ---> F11 server update with preupgrade?

[Aldo Foot]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Peter Diercks wrote:
> Hello List!
>
> I am running Fedora 9 on a remote dedicated server leased from a service
> provider. Access is through SSH. It is a LAMP server with moodle (an
> educational cms) as the only application. I want to upgrade to Fedora
> 11, and I need some advice as to which method to choose. Should I
>
> - use preupgrade-cli for a direct upgrade F9 to F11?
> - use preupgrade-cli for upgrading to F10 first, and then to F11?
> - avoid upgrading with preupgrade-cli at all, and do a fresh F11 install
> instead?
>
> I prefer one of the first two methods over the latter one, but I
> remember reading many complaints about preupgrade.
_

An interesting note... the documentation says the preupgrade path F9->F11 is
not possible, but this bugzilla entry[1] says otherwise. Having said that, I'd
try a direct upgrade F9->F11.

[1]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506750

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Re: How to get vsftpd working

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Ed Landaveri wrote:
> I would advise you NOT to allow WRITE_ENABLE. If your clients are other *.nix 
> clients you only need scp/sftp or psftp on Windows clients. If you have MAC 
> clients they also can use scp. These clients run over ssh that come stardard 
> on Fedora/CentOS/Red Hat boxes. If you have Debian you install the ssh server 
> and this will put the secure copy/ftp clients too. This way you just allow 
> anonymous access and if your users want to upload anything to your server 
> they will use a secure connection to their home directories. Good for loggin 
> purposes too!
>
> The reason your directory listing fails is because of iptables. Remember 
> vsftp as any ftp server uses incoming port 21 connections but not well-known 
> ports outgoing connections. Google and you'll find the exact configuration.

If it is an iptables/firewall proble, system-config-firewall or maybe
system-config-securitylevel can be used to fix it

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Re: F9 ---> F11 server update with preupgrade?

[stan]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:11:52 +0200
Peter Diercks  wrote:

> Hello List!
> 
> I am running Fedora 9 on a remote dedicated server leased from a
> service provider. Access is through SSH. It is a LAMP server with
> moodle (an educational cms) as the only application. I want to
> upgrade to Fedora 11, and I need some advice as to which method to
> choose. Should I
> 
> - use preupgrade-cli for a direct upgrade F9 to F11?
> - use preupgrade-cli for upgrading to F10 first, and then to F11?
> - avoid upgrading with preupgrade-cli at all, and do a fresh F11
> install instead?
> 
> I prefer one of the first two methods over the latter one, but I
> remember reading many complaints about preupgrade.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
Your first option is not possible.  Preupgrade can't be used for that,
at least that is what I found when I used it to upgrade F9.  It failed,
by the way, but I don't think it could be blamed on preupgrade.  I
didn't do in depth investigation because I was going to wipe the
partition anyway and was only experi So it is either 2 or 3.  

I prefer fresh installs, restoring any customized pieces on the new
system.

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Re: SOLVED. Was Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 16:16 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I fixed it.  The problem had nothing to do with Linux whatsoever.  It
> was a bonehead problem caused by me.  Someday when I am not mad at
> myself and way behind schedule I'll talk about it.
> 
> I re installed kernel kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12.i586.rpm.  It works OK
> as far as I can tell.

there is a fedora-test list which is probably better suited for
questions/problems with rawhide packages

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F9 ---> F11 server update with preupgrade?

[Peter Diercks]

Hello List!

I am running Fedora 9 on a remote dedicated server leased from a service
provider. Access is through SSH. It is a LAMP server with moodle (an
educational cms) as the only application. I want to upgrade to Fedora
11, and I need some advice as to which method to choose. Should I

- use preupgrade-cli for a direct upgrade F9 to F11?
- use preupgrade-cli for upgrading to F10 first, and then to F11?
- avoid upgrading with preupgrade-cli at all, and do a fresh F11 install
instead?

I prefer one of the first two methods over the latter one, but I
remember reading many complaints about preupgrade.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Peter


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Re: How to get vsftpd working

[Ed Landaveri]

I would advise you NOT to allow WRITE_ENABLE. If your clients are other *.nix 
clients you only need scp/sftp or psftp on Windows clients. If you have MAC 
clients they also can use scp. These clients run over ssh that come stardard on 
Fedora/CentOS/Red Hat boxes. If you have Debian you install the ssh server and 
this will put the secure copy/ftp clients too. This way you just allow 
anonymous access and if your users want to upload anything to your server they 
will use a secure connection to their home directories. Good for loggin 
purposes too!

The reason your directory listing fails is because of iptables. Remember vsftp 
as any ftp server uses incoming port 21 connections but not well-known ports 
outgoing connections. Google and you'll find the exact configuration.


Regards

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> -Original Message-
> From: pem...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:23:01 -0500
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: How to get vsftpd working
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Paolo Galtieri
> wrote:
>> I've been trying to get vsftpd working but have had no luck so far.
>> This is
>> my config:
>> 
>> anonymous_enable=NO
>> local_enable=YES
>> write_enable=YES
>> local_umask=022
>> dirmessage_enable=YES
>> xferlog_enable=YES
>> connect_from_port_20=YES
>> xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log
>> xferlog_std_format=YES
>> ascii_upload_enable=YES
>> ascii_download_enable=YES
>> ftpd_banner=Welcome to Darkstar FTP service.
>> listen=YES
>> 
>> pam_service_name=vsftpd
>> userlist_enable=YES
>> tcp_wrappers=YES
>> pasv_max_port=1024
>> no_anon_password=YES
>> 
>> I am able to connect from my client system to the server.  I login as
>> user
>> pgaltieri, am prompted for password, and when I enter it I am logged in.
>> However, once this happens I can't do anything.  If I try to put a file
>> I
>> get:
>> 
>> ftp> put SPAM
>> local: SPAM remote: SPAM
>> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,31,17).
>> 553 Could not create file.
>> 
>> If I try to list the directory:
>> 
>> ftp> dir
>> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,211,221).
>> 150 Here comes the directory listing.
>> 226 Transfer done (but failed to open directory).
>> ftp>
>> 
>> The directory ownership on the server is:
>> 
>> [pgalti...@darkstar ~]$ /bin/ls -ld /home/pgaltieri
>> drwxr-xr-x. 38 pgaltieri pgaltieri 4096 2009-07-16 10:40 /home/pgaltieri
>> 
>> I changed this from the default 700 wondering if this might be the cause
>> but
>> it made no difference.
>> 
>> I'm sure I'm doing something stupid, but I don't remember it being this
>> hard
>> to set up.
>> 
>> I'm also logged in as the same user on the client system.  The directory
>> permissions on the client are 700
>> 
>> [pgalti...@peglaptop10 ~]$ /bin/ls -ld ~pgaltieri
>> drwx--. 62 pgaltieri pgaltieri 4096 2009-07-16 11:34 /home/pgaltieri
>> 
>> I tried it with 755 but it still fails.
>> 
>> I would appreciate any help from someone who can tell me what I'm
>> missing.
>> It seems to be a permissions issue on the server, but I don't know what
>> it
>> could be.  I'm not getting any selinux alerts.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Paolo
> 
> 
> Check your logs
> 
> /var/log/messages
> /var/log/secure
> /var/log/vsftpd.log
> 
> 
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Re: vlc 1.0.0 for Fedora 10

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 17:04 -0400, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 12:04 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > An RC version has been available for at least a couple of weeks:
> > 
> > % rpm -q vlc
> > vlc-1.0.0-0.12rc4.fc11.x86_64
> 
> That looks like a F11 package.  I was asking about a F10 update.

Quite right, I missed that.

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Re: missing audio after F11 install on IBM T61 Thinkpad

[stan]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:37:47 -0700 (PDT)
Globe Trotter  wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have been missing audio after installing F11 (from the XFCE spin)
> on my IBM Thinkpad T61. I looked around and even tried the following:
> 
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=206868&highlight=problems+sound
> 
> but this did nothing. alsamixer -c0 brought in a while lot of stuff
> and I dutifully changed everything from  to 00 without
> understanding the implications, but to no avail. Any suggestions? I
> sort of miss the old system-config-sound and then clicking to see
> whether sound would work on the older Fedoras (before 10). 
> 
> This machine had previously been upgraded from F8->F9->F10 so I never
> felt the problems in F10. I chose to install this time because of the
> ext4 filesystem, etc and hence getting sound working is a different
> ball-game.
> 
> Thanks in advance for all the help!
> Best wishes,
> T
> 
> 
>   
> 
I'll try some suggestions, but I suspect you are running HDA-intel
architecture as most new sound cards have that architecture, and I'm
not very familiar with it.  I use AC97 sound cards and they work fine.
USB sound cards that adhere to the standard are supposed to work fine
too, but I haven't experience with them either.  Also, while I have
pulseaudio installed, I have it disabled as the default device and
don't start it on boot.  So I can't help a lot with pulse stuff.  There
is a website, http://www.pulseaudio.org  where you can probably get
help.  Others here might help you with pulse.

The first suggestion is to go to the link below and run the shell
script.  It will print a whole bunch of information, much of it useful
only for developers, but very comprehensive picture of your sound
system.  If you post it here, it allows people to see your sound setup,
and perhaps spot a problem.

You probably don't have any of the configuration from F10, but it would
be great if you had run the alsa-info.sh program and saved the output
so you could run it again and look at the differences.  Good idea for
next time.

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh

Run a wav file with aplay and see if it plays sound.

aplay -D plughw:0,0 some.wav

This will tell you if alsa has identified your device properly.

Use something like audacity or amarok, which allows you to select the
device to use, import an audio file, and see if it plays. Does the vu
meter show sound while playing, even if it is silent?  Try different
outputs.  What if you do the same thing after a pulseaudio --kill  ?
Have you run alsamixer to get the pulse volume control and turned it up?

Go to the link below and download the latest driver snapshot.  You can
install it as it is supposed to be backward compatible, but that isn't
necessary at this point.  If you just unpack it, go into the directory
that it unpacks to, something like alsa-driver-snapshot, and then into
alsa-kernel/Documentation you will find all the driver documentation.
Grep for your codec.  Look at the HDA files for troubleshooting
information.

ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.gz

I've had no major issues with sound in F11 x86_64, but I don't have
hda-intel cards.  I have pulseaudio installed, but don't use it.
Before I disabled it, it seemed to work fine.

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Re: Fedora 11: can't read debugging symbols anymore

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:13:12 +0200
Mildred Ki'Lya wrote:

> Since recently, in Fedora 11, debugging software is becoming difficult.
> Neither GDB nor Valgrind can read debugging symbols from my executables.

I just tried building my Qt app "kewpie" with debug info and running
it under debugger, and it works fine for me. (Fedora 11 64 bit).

Are you trying to look at locals inside a constructor? g++ is
notoriously dreadful at generating debug info for constructor
bodies for some reason.

http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/kewpie/kewpie.html

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Re: How to get vsftpd working

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> I've been trying to get vsftpd working but have had no luck so far.  This is
> my config:
>
> anonymous_enable=NO
> local_enable=YES
> write_enable=YES
> local_umask=022
> dirmessage_enable=YES
> xferlog_enable=YES
> connect_from_port_20=YES
> xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log
> xferlog_std_format=YES
> ascii_upload_enable=YES
> ascii_download_enable=YES
> ftpd_banner=Welcome to Darkstar FTP service.
> listen=YES
>
> pam_service_name=vsftpd
> userlist_enable=YES
> tcp_wrappers=YES
> pasv_max_port=1024
> no_anon_password=YES
>
> I am able to connect from my client system to the server.  I login as user
> pgaltieri, am prompted for password, and when I enter it I am logged in.
> However, once this happens I can't do anything.  If I try to put a file I
> get:
>
> ftp> put SPAM
> local: SPAM remote: SPAM
> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,31,17).
> 553 Could not create file.
>
> If I try to list the directory:
>
> ftp> dir
> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,211,221).
> 150 Here comes the directory listing.
> 226 Transfer done (but failed to open directory).
> ftp>
>
> The directory ownership on the server is:
>
> [pgalti...@darkstar ~]$ /bin/ls -ld /home/pgaltieri
> drwxr-xr-x. 38 pgaltieri pgaltieri 4096 2009-07-16 10:40 /home/pgaltieri
>
> I changed this from the default 700 wondering if this might be the cause but
> it made no difference.
>
> I'm sure I'm doing something stupid, but I don't remember it being this hard
> to set up.
>
> I'm also logged in as the same user on the client system.  The directory
> permissions on the client are 700
>
> [pgalti...@peglaptop10 ~]$ /bin/ls -ld ~pgaltieri
> drwx--. 62 pgaltieri pgaltieri 4096 2009-07-16 11:34 /home/pgaltieri
>
> I tried it with 755 but it still fails.
>
> I would appreciate any help from someone who can tell me what I'm missing.
> It seems to be a permissions issue on the server, but I don't know what it
> could be.  I'm not getting any selinux alerts.
>
> Thanks
> Paolo


Check your logs

/var/log/messages
/var/log/secure
/var/log/vsftpd.log



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Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

[Linuxguy123]

On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 23:37 -0700, john wendel wrote:
> On 07/14/2009 10:02 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 20:31 -0700, john wendel wrote:
> >> Looks like our junk is similar - Intel chip
> >>
> >> I had lots of sound problems until I moved to a 2.6.30 kernel. You'll
> >> note that all the sound modules have very different sizes from yours.
> >> And your driver version is 1.0.18a while mine is 1.0.20.
> >>
> >> I dumped pulse when I was having the sound problems, but it made no
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> I'd recommend a kernel upgrade.
> >
> > Exactly which kernel did you use ?   Did you build it or did you get it
> > from an unstable repository ?  (a yum command here would be
> > appreciated...)
> >
> > I haven't built a custom kernel since Redhat 9...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> 
> I built 2.6.30.1 from kernel.org. I suspect that there are pre-built 
> 2.6.30 kernels in rawhide or whatever, but I'd rather roll my own. Once 
> you get a working config file, it only takes a few minutes. I started 
> with the fedora config file (in /boot) and removed all the things I 
> don't use, saves a few megabytes.


I installed kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12.i586.rpm from here:

http://koji.fedoraproject.org:80/koji/buildinfo?buildID=114595

My sound still doesn't work.

LG


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SOLVED. Was Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Linuxguy123]

I fixed it.  The problem had nothing to do with Linux whatsoever.  It
was a bonehead problem caused by me.  Someday when I am not mad at
myself and way behind schedule I'll talk about it.

I re installed kernel kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12.i586.rpm.  It works OK
as far as I can tell.

LG

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Fedora 11: can't read debugging symbols anymore

[Mildred Ki'Lya]

Hi,

Since recently, in Fedora 11, debugging software is becoming difficult.
Neither GDB nor Valgrind can read debugging symbols from my executables.

Debug symbols shipped with the distribution are readable. So for
example, when i'm debugging my code, I can access local variables when
I'm inside the Qt library, but not in my own code, frustrating.

Recently, a bug report has been filled with some very similar problem:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=509197 (the error messages I
get from valgrind are almost the same). But i'm not running rawhide.

So, has this bug found its way through regular fedora updates?
Can anyone confirm it?

Thanks.


Mildred


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Re: hp-setup not working on F11

[Paolo Galtieri]

Try running

strace hp-setup

This should tell you where it is hanging.  I tried hp-setup on my F11 system
and it works fine.  Note you may have to install the strace package.  strace
will tell you what system calls are being executed by the program being
traced.  There is also ltrace which traces library calls.

Paolo

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Andrea  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've tried to run hp-setup and after the copyright it just hangs there.
>
> those are the packages I have installed
>
> hplip-gui-3.9.2-4.fc11.i586
> hplip-3.9.2-4.fc11.i586
> hplip-libs-3.9.2-4.fc11.i586
>
> the debug option does not add much
>
> [r...@thinkpad andrea]# hp-setup -g
>
> HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.9.2)
> Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 8.0
>
> Copyright (c) 2001-9 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP
> This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
> This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
> under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.
>
> hp-setup[3846]: debug: param=
>
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Re: lightweight spam filter

[Steven W. Orr]

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On 07/16/09 15:33, quoth Christoph Höger:
> Hi,
> 
> is there a lightweight spam filter out there that works well with
> postfix?
> Especially important would be to whitelist some servers I forward mail
> from that already run a spamfilter.
> 
> regards
> 
> christoph
> 

I'm going to weigh in on this one too. Signature and all. ;-)

I'm going to declare the question as flawed. You can do a fair amount of
decision making right in the SMTP server. After that, you can do as much as
you want given the limits of what you are willing to use. In this case, you
use the word lightweight with no clear idea of what it is you think exceeds
the definition. ClamAV is lightweight in that it is almost trivial to
configure, big fat hairy footprint however. Spamassassin does a good job and
can take a bit of work ot configure and can add a bit of load, depending on
how much you want it to do. I filter out all the stuff that's in asian
languages and self declared spammers right in sendmail before it even gets to
spam analysis. I'd suggest elaborating more on what your goals are.

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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Mick M.]

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:


> Here is my grub file.  The boot
> partition is /dev/sda1.  That should
> be hd0,0, right ?    The root partition is
> sda2.  That should be
> hd0,1, right ?
> 
> Does anyone see anything wrong with my grub setup ?
> 

Check your /boot/grub/device.map file, grub-install will change it.
Make sure that it matches grub.conf and /etc/fstab.

I have had to change mine several times after removing/adding drives.

[m...@localhost ~]$ cat /boot/grub/device.map
# this device map was generated by anaconda
(hd0) /dev/sda
(hd1) /dev/sdb


Mick M.


  

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RE: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Markus Kesaromous]

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:59:19 -0400
> From: cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
>
> Peter J. Stieber wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
>>
>> What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?
>
> Check your fedora-release package. It should be the f11 one. If so,
> you'll use f11 repos. If not, you'll use f10 repos. Get/install it by
> hand if you have to
>
>> Pete
>>
>
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get/install the package from a mirror - like:

rpm -ivh  
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm

Cheers,

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missing audio after F11 install on IBM T61 Thinkpad

[Globe Trotter]

Hi,

I have been missing audio after installing F11 (from the XFCE spin) on my IBM 
Thinkpad T61. I looked around and even tried the following:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=206868&highlight=problems+sound

but this did nothing. alsamixer -c0 brought in a while lot of stuff and I 
dutifully changed everything from  to 00 without understanding the 
implications, but to no avail. Any suggestions? I sort of miss the old 
system-config-sound and then clicking to see whether sound would work on the 
older Fedoras (before 10). 

This machine had previously been upgraded from F8->F9->F10 so I never felt the 
problems in F10. I chose to install this time because of the ext4 filesystem, 
etc and hence getting sound working is a different ball-game.

Thanks in advance for all the help!
Best wishes,
T


  

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS So your feeling is I should abort the
PS currently stuck install?

KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC>>> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC>>> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>>> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>>>
KC>>> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC>>> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC>>> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC>>> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC>>> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC>>> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC>>> of it.

PS Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS GUI install after it reads...
PS
PS N of N packages completed
PS
PS in the background, and
PS
PS Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...

KC>>> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC>>> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC>>> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC>>> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC>>> starting to install the N packages
KC>>>
KC>>> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?

PS>> It is.

KC>>> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC>>> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC>>> of your old ones too?

PS>> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
PS>> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
PS>> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>>
PS>> Does this indicate what the problem is?

MK = Markus Kesaromous
MK> It would appear that the upgrade process has
MK> not finished updating the database. So, for
MK> all practical purposes, your "upgraded" system
MK> is very likely unusable. At this point I would
MK> strongly urge you to burn the dvd iso and
MK> upgrade from the dvd.

No need.  If you checkout the other messages in this thread you'll find 
the machine booted Fedora 11.  I have some cleaning up to do, but all is 
well.  System is very usable.


As I said earlier in this thread...


I have a little over 10 machines I administer at work.  They all have
run Fedora since Fedora Core 1.  They all have been update with
occasional HW fixes along the way, and yes, there are always problems
upgrading, but I just look on this list and the net to figure out solutions.

I've been doing network install CD updates since that was available.
I've used the preupgrade process on a few machines for F10 -> F11, but
was bit by the mirror problems last Saturday.  I upgraded a similar i386
machine using the network install CD yesterday so I figured the mirror
problem was fixed.

Don't be afraid to upgrade if you are willing to deal with all of the
problems, just backup first.


And thanks to some help from Kevin Cummings, all is well.  Don't be 
afraid to attempt an upgrade, especially if you are going to wipe the 
machine to do a fresh install.


Pete

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
PS>>
PS>> What can I do to start obtaining fc11
PS>> rpms with yum?

KC = Kevin Cummings
KC> Check your fedora-release package.  It
KC> should be the f11 one.  If so, you'll
KC> use f11 repos.  If not, you'll use f10
KC> repos.  Get/install it by hand if you
KC> have to

# rpm -qa | grep fedora-release
fedora-release-10-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-10.0.0-1.noarch
fedora-release-11-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-11.0.0-2.fc11.noarch

So I'm running

# package-cleanup --cleandupes

Will use

# package-cleanup --orphans

and

# package-cleanup --problems

after that, but I may have more questions.  Thanks again for all of your 
help.


It's probably simpler to download the current RPM by hand (or save a 
copy of the current one), then do a:


rpm -e -a --nodeps fedora-release
rpm -i --nodeps fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm


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RE: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Markus Kesaromous]

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:33:51 -0700
> From: develo...@toyon.com
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
>
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS So your feeling is I should abort the
> PS currently stuck install?
>
> KC = Kevin J. Cummings
> KC>>> If you can't find out what's been installed
> KC>>> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
> KC>>> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
> KC>>>
> KC>>> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
> KC>>> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
> KC>>> and see information that has scrolled off the
> KC>>> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
> KC>>> the time you find the right screen to look at,
> KC>>> the useful information has scrolled off the top
> KC>>> of it.
>
> PS>>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
> PS>>> GUI install after it reads...
> PS>>>
> PS>>> N of N packages completed
> PS>>>
> PS>>> in the background, and
> PS>>>
> PS>>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a
> PS>>> little while...
>
> KC>>> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
> KC>>> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
> KC>>> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
> KC>>> to run the transaction in which case its only
> KC>>> starting to install the N packages
> KC>>>
> KC>>> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
>
> PS>> It is.
>
> KC>>> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
> KC>>> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
> KC>>> of your old ones too?
>
> PS>> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
> PS>> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
> PS>> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
> PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
> PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
> PS>>
> PS>> Does this indicate what the problem is?
>
> KC> No, your current install probably has the db
> KC> open for write access
> KC> Depending on what you had installed under f10
> KC> (a lot of kernels?) it could take a while to
> KC> reconstruct your db.
>
> I remove old kernels using rpm -e.
>
> KC> At this point I'd try rebooting and see if
> KC> you can boot the new kernel
>
> I rebooted and the machine is running 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586, but there
> were a lot of complaints during the boot.
>
> KC> If so, try a yum-complete-transaction to see
> KC> if anything needs cleaning up. You might find
> KC> a few things that need cleaning up...
> KC> At best, you might not find any problems...
> KC> Absolute worst, is you can't boot at all and
> KC> need the rescue disk to recover. but it looks like
> KC> the bulk of the install finished.
>
> I rebooted before I read this. At the prompt I ran
>
> # yum clean all
> # yum update
>
> And it updated a bunch of packages with the fc10 versions. Time to
> cleanup ;-)
>
> KC> Also, remember if you have RPM problems after
> KC> the reboot, try:
> KC>
> KC> cd /var/lib/rpm
> KC> rm -f __*
> KC> rpm --rebuilddb
> KC>
> KC> And if your rebuild hangs, try it with a number
> KC> of -v options, log the output, and post it here
>
> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
>
> What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?
>
> Pete
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What does it say ? 10 or 11 ?




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RE: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Markus Kesaromous]

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:56:07 -0700
> From: develo...@toyon.com
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
>
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> So your feeling is I should abort the
> PS>> currently stuck install?
>
> KC = Kevin J. Cummings
> KC> If you can't find out what's been installed
> KC> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
> KC> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
> KC>
> KC> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
> KC> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
> KC> and see information that has scrolled off the
> KC> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
> KC> the time you find the right screen to look at,
> KC> the useful information has scrolled off the top
> KC> of it.
>
> PS>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
> PS>> GUI install after it reads...
> PS>>
> PS>> N of N packages completed
> PS>>
> PS>> in the background, and
> PS>>
> PS>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
>
> KC> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
> KC> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
> KC> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
> KC> to run the transaction in which case its only
> KC> starting to install the N packages
> KC>
> KC> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
>
> It is.
>
> KC> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
> KC> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
> KC> of your old ones too?
>
> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
>
> Does this indicate what the problem is?
>
> Pete
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It would appear that the upgrade process has not finished updating the database.
So, for all practical purposes, your "upgraded" system is very likely unusable.
At this point I would strongly urge you to burn the dvd iso and  upgrade from
the dvd.



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RE: Cannot get Flash working with Fedora 11

[Markus Kesaromous]

> From: akons...@sbcglobal.net
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:38:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Cannot get Flash working with Fedora 11
>
> On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 10:32 -0400, Doctor Who wrote:
>> When I visit a site with Flash, either the area containing Flash
>> animations does not work (like adobe.com) or with a video (like
>> YouTube) I get the video initally then it just changes to a gray box.
>> I'm not sure what's going on here.
>>
>> I thought it might have to do with Desktop Effects being enabled, but
>> when I disable I get the same behavior.
>>
>> I have the following installed:
>>
>> firefox-3.5-1.fc11.i586
>> flash-plugin-10.0.22.87-release.i386
>> libflashsupport-000-0.5.svn20070904.i386
>>
>> Any help with this is greatly appreciated.
>>
> I don't have libflashsupport installed and video things work well.
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Download flash from www.adobe.com.
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?promoid=BUIGP

If your platform is 64 bit, you will have to either find a 64 bit flash player 
and flash plugin
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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
PS>>
PS>> What can I do to start obtaining fc11
PS>> rpms with yum?

KC = Kevin Cummings
KC> Check your fedora-release package.  It
KC> should be the f11 one.  If so, you'll
KC> use f11 repos.  If not, you'll use f10
KC> repos.  Get/install it by hand if you
KC> have to

# rpm -qa | grep fedora-release
fedora-release-10-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-10.0.0-1.noarch
fedora-release-11-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-11.0.0-2.fc11.noarch

So I'm running

# package-cleanup --cleandupes

Will use

# package-cleanup --orphans

and

# package-cleanup --problems

after that, but I may have more questions.  Thanks again for all of your 
help.


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Re: vlc 1.0.0 for Fedora 10

[Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 12:04 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> An RC version has been available for at least a couple of weeks:
> 
> % rpm -q vlc
> vlc-1.0.0-0.12rc4.fc11.x86_64

That looks like a F11 package.  I was asking about a F10 update.

I may just abandon 3D for a while and move up to F11 right away.

Regards,

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:


Thanks for all of the help Kevin.

What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?


Check your fedora-release package.  It should be the f11 one.  If so, 
you'll use f11 repos.  If not, you'll use f10 repos.  Get/install it by 
hand if you have to



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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS So your feeling is I should abort the
PS currently stuck install?

KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC>>> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC>>> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>>>  Seems I always end up doing that anyways.  B^)
KC>>>
KC>>> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC>>> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC>>> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC>>> screen.  Seems that's always what happens, by
KC>>> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC>>> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC>>> of it.

PS>>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>>
PS>>> N of N packages completed
PS>>>
PS>>> in the background, and
PS>>>
PS>>> Finishing upgrade process.  This may take a
PS>>> little while...

KC>>> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC>>> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC>>> file, etc.)  Or it could be actually starting
KC>>> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC>>> starting to install the N packages
KC>>>
KC>>> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?

PS>> It is.

KC>>> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC>>> show the new RPMS as installed?  Does it show any
KC>>> of your old ones too?

PS>> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
PS>> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
PS>> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>>
PS>> Does this indicate what the problem is?

KC> No, your current install probably has the db
KC> open for write access
KC> Depending on what you had installed under f10
KC> (a lot of kernels?) it could take a while to
KC> reconstruct your db.

I remove old kernels using rpm -e.

KC> At this point I'd try rebooting and see if
KC> you can boot the new kernel

I rebooted and the machine is running 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586, but there 
were a lot of complaints during the boot.


KC> If so, try a yum-complete-transaction to see
KC> if anything needs cleaning up.  You might find
KC> a few things that need cleaning up...
KC> At best, you might not find any problems...
KC> Absolute worst, is you can't boot at all and
KC> need the rescue disk to recover. but it looks like
KC> the bulk of the install finished.

I rebooted before I read this.  At the prompt I ran

# yum clean all
# yum update

And it updated a bunch of packages with the fc10 versions.  Time to 
cleanup ;-)


KC> Also, remember if you have RPM problems after
KC> the reboot, try:
KC>
KC>  cd /var/lib/rpm
KC>  rm -f __*
KC>  rpm --rebuilddb
KC>
KC> And if your rebuild hangs, try it with a number
KC> of -v options, log the output, and post it here

Thanks for all of the help Kevin.

What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?

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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[jackson byers]

> I downloaded the supergrub iso and installed it onto my usb drive.
> When I boot from it, it gives me the grub> command line.  Is that a
> sign I don't have the USB installation right or is that the tool that
>I am supposed to use to fix my non booting drive ?

 I dont know supergrub
but my advice is to restore grub to your mbr  of your internal hdisk
presumably that is where you had it originally,
not on mbr of usb.

preferably with your usb turned off,
from a live cd with grub on it, knoppix eg:


grub>
root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0)
quit

that  should do it

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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:59:58 -0400,
  linux guy  wrote:
> I downloaded the supergrub iso and installed it onto my usb drive.
> When I boot from it, it gives me the grub> command line.  Is that a
> sign I don't have the USB installation right or is that the tool that
> I am supposed to use to fix my non booting drive ?

If you got there you probably could have booted from that grub instance
by setting the correct initrd and kernel settings before giving a boot
command. If the hard drives were named correctly, but the grub install
on the mbr was hosed, the configfile command might be easier. Grub
has built in minimal help. You can use tab to see what the options are
for commands or parameters.

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hp-setup not working on F11

[Andrea]

Hi,

I've tried to run hp-setup and after the copyright it just hangs there.

those are the packages I have installed

hplip-gui-3.9.2-4.fc11.i586
hplip-3.9.2-4.fc11.i586
hplip-libs-3.9.2-4.fc11.i586

the debug option does not add much

[r...@thinkpad andrea]# hp-setup -g

HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.9.2)
Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 8.0

Copyright (c) 2001-9 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP
This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.

hp-setup[3846]: debug: param=


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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:58:00 -0400,
  linux guy  wrote:
> 
> default=0
> timeout=15
> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> hiddenmenu
> title Fedora (2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586)
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 ro
> root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
> title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 ro
> root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586.img

I also like to comment out hiddenmenu, and take rhgb and quiet off the
kernel lines so that I have a chance to notice odd things during the
boot process. But what you have should work.

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>> currently stuck install?

KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>  Seems I always end up doing that anyways.  B^)
KC>
KC> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC> screen.  Seems that's always what happens, by
KC> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC> of it.

PS>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>
PS>> N of N packages completed
PS>>
PS>> in the background, and
PS>>
PS>> Finishing upgrade process.  This may take a little while...

KC> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC> file, etc.)  Or it could be actually starting
KC> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC> starting to install the N packages
KC>
KC> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?

It is.

KC> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC> show the new RPMS as installed?  Does it show any
KC> of your old ones too?

# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# rpm -qa | grep fc10
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm

Does this indicate what the problem is?


No, your current install probably has the db open for write access
Depending on what you had installed under f10 (a lot of kernels?) it 
could take a while to reconstruct your db.


At this point I'd try rebooting and see if you can boot the new kernel

If so, try a yum-complete-transaction to see if anything needs cleaning 
up.  You might find a few things that need cleaning up...
At best, you might not find any problems  Absolute worst, is you 
can't boot at all and need the rescue disk to recover. but it looks like 
the bulk of the install finished.


Also, remember if you have RPM problems after the reboot, try:

cd /var/lib/rpm
rm -f __*
rpm --rebuilddb

And if your rebuild hangs, try it with a number of -v options, log the 
output, and post it here



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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Rich Mahn]

> Here is my grub file.  The boot partition is /dev/sda1.  That should
> be hd0,0, right ?The root partition is sda2.  That should be
> hd0,1, right ?

> Does anyone see anything wrong with my grub setup ?

> I don't understand how installing an f12 kernel and then uninstalling
> it could still result in a machine that won't boot.   Does f12 assume
> an ext4 filesystem or something ?  df thinks my file systems are all
> ext3.

ext3 should be fine.  ext4 would be a problem.


> default=0
> timeout=15
> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> hiddenmenu
> title Fedora (2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586)
> root (hd0,0)
>kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 ro
> root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
> title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)
>root (hd0,0)
>kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 ro
> root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586.img


Okay, let's start back at the beginning.

First, are we sure grub is actually running?  Do you get anything
at all? or just a blinking cursor?  Does the splashimage come up?

If it isn't running at all, then either the MBR got messed up or
the BIOS reordered the disks, or something like that.  One you get
your shell from the rescue disk, run grub-install with the appropriate
parameters.  You probably need to do something like this:
   mkdir /boot
   mount /dev/sda1 /boot
   grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda
   umount /boot

Assuming grub is starting, and you have verified the files are there,
then maybe the UUID somehow got changed.  Try changing that part to
'root=/dev/vg00/lv00', or whatever the vg and lv are.

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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Seann Clark]

linux guy wrote:

I downloaded the supergrub iso and installed it onto my usb drive.
When I boot from it, it gives me the grub> command line.  Is that a
sign I don't have the USB installation right or is that the tool that
I am supposed to use to fix my non booting drive ?

Thanks

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
  

Here is my grub file.  The boot partition is /dev/sda1.  That should
be hd0,0, right ?The root partition is sda2.  That should be
hd0,1, right ?

Does anyone see anything wrong with my grub setup ?

I don't understand how installing an f12 kernel and then uninstalling
it could still result in a machine that won't boot.   Does f12 assume
an ext4 filesystem or something ?  df thinks my file systems are all
ext3.

Thanks

default=0
timeout=15
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
title Fedora (2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 ro
root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 ro
root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586.img

On 7/16/09, Rich Mahn  wrote:


I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
neither would boot.


I have had this problem often when I've been moving disks around or
when I am testing out new operating systems.  It has always been
one of two things:

  1. the BIOS has reordered disks and you aren't booting from the
 disk you want, or
  2. (similar to above), the disk identified in grub is the wrong one
 and needs to be dhanged.  Where you see something like
 root (hd0,0), you may need to change it to root(hd1,0).

This can sometimes be caused by a USB device being present (or not).
If you loaded your OS with a USB drive, it may have shifted all the
hd's when creating the grub.conf file.


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I can't say for certain about the USB method, I just burn it to a CD, 
and after I am done with the CD I put it into a tool kit/cd wallet I use 
so I haven't tried that option. It should boot to a menu system with the 
fix action options there, since you are getting just the grub prompt I 
would venture a guess the USB key is wrong


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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>> currently stuck install?

KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>  Seems I always end up doing that anyways.  B^)
KC>
KC> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC> screen.  Seems that's always what happens, by
KC> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC> of it.

PS>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>
PS>> N of N packages completed
PS>>
PS>> in the background, and
PS>>
PS>> Finishing upgrade process.  This may take a little while...

KC> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC> file, etc.)  Or it could be actually starting
KC> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC> starting to install the N packages
KC>
KC> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?

It is.

KC> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC> show the new RPMS as installed?  Does it show any
KC> of your old ones too?

# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# rpm -qa | grep fc10
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm

Does this indicate what the problem is?

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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

>
> You don't want a live CD but to run the f11 DVD in rescue mode. Then you
> can chroot to the F11 / directory and apply any fixes. That way the
> programs you run will be F11 programs.
>

If you read the thread, I did chroot.  Chroot runs whatever programs the new
root holds, thus I was running f11 applications with the f9 kernel.  It
worked.

I was leery of this myself, so I did some version checking and used the
which command and verified that everything was running from my f11
installation.  That is the beauty of chroot.

The real beauty of using a live version is that you can multiple sessions
running (normal and chroot) via multiple kterms as well as access the
Internet, have full graphical interface, etc.  This the first rescue I have
done in a long, long time and the first time that I have used a live CD to
do it.

Linux is one heck of an OS.  I remember trying to do stuff like this in
Windows, ie mount a non running hard drive and access it from a running
one... it was generally version disaster after version disaster.

Now if I could just figure out why my f11 install won't boot.  Time to
google.
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Re: lightweight spam filter

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Christoph Höger wrote:

Hi,

is there a lightweight spam filter out there that works well with
postfix?


IMHO, if there was an effective lightweight SPAM filter out there, SPAM 
wouldn't be the problem that it is today



Especially important would be to whitelist some servers I forward mail
from that already run a spamfilter.


I always run my own SPAM filter, no matter where my email comes from. 
My run is usually more in depth than my ISP's anyways.


Do you use greylisting?

Do you use SPF?

I consider both "lightweight".  I still use SpamAssassin on all of my 
incoming mail too.



regards

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Re: lightweight spam filter

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 21:33 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> is there a lightweight spam filter out there that works well with
> postfix?
> Especially important would be to whitelist some servers I forward mail
> from that already run a spamfilter.
> 
> regards
> 
> christoph
spamassassin is not really light weight but it works well with postfix.
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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:

So your feeling is I should abort the currently stuck install?


If you can't find out what's been installed and what isn't, yes, I'd 
abort and try again.  Seems I always end up doing that anyways.  B^)


24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of the 3 log screens to be 
able to scroll back and see information that has scrolled off the 
screen.  Seems that's always what happens, by the time you find the 
right screen to look at, the useful information has scrolled off the top 
of it.


Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a GUI install after it 
reads...


N of N packages completed

in the background, and

Finishing upgrade process.  This may take a little while...


Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the OLD RPMs from the db, 
cleaning up the grub.conf file, etc.)  Or it could be actually starting 
to run the transaction in which case its only starting to install the N 
packages


Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?

If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa show the new RPMS as 
installed?  Does it show any of your old ones too?



in the foreground?

Pete


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Re: Cannot get Flash working with Fedora 11

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 10:32 -0400, Doctor Who wrote:
> When I visit a site with Flash, either the area containing Flash
> animations does not work (like adobe.com) or with a video (like
> YouTube) I get the video initally then it just changes to a gray box.
> I'm not sure what's going on here.
> 
> I thought it might have to do with Desktop Effects being enabled, but
> when I disable I get the same behavior.
> 
> I have the following installed:
> 
> firefox-3.5-1.fc11.i586
> flash-plugin-10.0.22.87-release.i386
> libflashsupport-000-0.5.svn20070904.i386
> 
> Any help with this is greatly appreciated.
> 
I don't have libflashsupport installed and  video things work well.
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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 16:07 +, davide wrote:
> linux guy  gmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
> >  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
> >  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
> >  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible to
> >  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live session
> >  ?
> 
> You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the chroot
> command using the command line.
> But you should know what you are doing.
> Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can also 
> break
> your system.
> 
You don't want a live CD but to run the f11 DVD in rescue mode. Then you
can chroot to the F11 / directory and apply any fixes. That way the
programs you run will be F11 programs.
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lightweight spam filter

[Christoph Höger]

Hi,

is there a lightweight spam filter out there that works well with
postfix?
Especially important would be to whitelist some servers I forward mail
from that already run a spamfilter.

regards

christoph


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RE: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Markus Kesaromous]

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:26:11 -0700
> From: develo...@toyon.com
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
>
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
> PS>>
> PS>> In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97%
> PS>> of CPU with anaconda consuming the rest. Maybe
> PS>> the video driver is causing me grief.
> PS>>
> PS>> Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more
> PS>> priority or get Xorg out of the way?
>
> KC = Kevin J. Cummings
> KC> You can do a "text" install. Or at least you
> KC> used to. If you can't do a text install, try
> KC> forcing the Xorg driver to VESA. I'm pretty
> KC> sure there is an boot option to control this...
>
> So your feeling is I should abort the currently stuck install?
>
> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a GUI install after it reads...
>
> N of N packages completed
>
> in the background, and
>
> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
>
> in the foreground?
>
> Pete
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Well, if N of N packages are done, there is not much left to do...

>From the shell in one of the virtual tty's , 
you may be able to chroot to the mounted linux partition you are upgrading.
After chroot, run
rpm -qa  to see if all the N packages are fedora 11 or still fedora 10.

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Re: Query about fedora 11

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 21:02 +0530, Anant More wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to install 'fedora 11' in to my system, while this I'm not
> able to make '/boot' partition. I have 2 HDD's in system, in 1st disk
> I have windows XP, and want to install 'fedora 11' on 2nd disk!
> If I'm trying for '/boot' partition it will generate a 'Unexpected
> Error' of a bug. Why it is so ?
I assume you have the boot partition on the second disk and the boot
black in the MBR of the first disk.At what point in the installation do
you get your error what what exactly does the error say?
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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks Kevin.  That's exactly what I needed!
PS>>
PS>> In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97%
PS>> of CPU with anaconda consuming the rest.  Maybe
PS>> the video driver is causing me grief.
PS>>
PS>> Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more
PS>> priority or get Xorg out of the way?

KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> You can do a "text" install.  Or at least you
KC> used to.  If you can't do a text install, try
KC> forcing the Xorg driver to VESA.  I'm pretty
KC> sure there is an boot option to control this...

So your feeling is I should abort the currently stuck install?

Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a GUI install after it reads...

N of N packages completed

in the background, and

Finishing upgrade process.  This may take a little while...

in the foreground?

Pete

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:


Thanks Kevin.  That's exactly what I needed!

In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97% of CPU with anaconda 
consuming the rest.  Maybe the video driver is causing me grief.


Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more priority or get Xorg 
out of the way?


You can do a "text" install.  Or at least you used to.  If you can't do 
a text install, try forcing the Xorg driver to VESA.  I'm pretty sure 
there is an boot option to control this



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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

TM = Timothy Murphy
TM I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with
TM preupgrade) from F10.  Everything went fine
TM until "Finishing upgrade process", which
TM has been running now for 14 hours, with that
TM ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging
TM from side to side.
TM
TM I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM
TM Please, this is Linux.
TM Tell us what is happening,
TM and show us what progress is being made.

AA = Simon Andrews
SA>>> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going
SA>>> into a shell I saw that anaconda was only
SA>>> taking ~2%CPU...

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This may
PS>> take a while" state?
PS>>
PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.

MK = Markus Kesaromous
MK> What I suggest is that you get the full F11 DVD iso
MK> and do the upgrade from that. Doing an upgrade can
MK> be problematic because it is possible that some or
MK> many rpms you currently have on F10 (which you
MK> might have installed from repositories other than
MK> Redhat/Fedora), will fail the upgrade.

I only use Fedora repos.  I don't even use rpmfusion.

MK> May I ask why you want to do an "upgrade" vs "install"??

I have a little over 10 machines I administer at work.  They all have 
run Fedora since Fedora Core 1.  They all have been update with 
occasional HW fixes along the way, and yes, there are always problems 
upgrading, but I just look on this list and the net to figure out solutions.


I've been doing network install CD updates since that was available. 
I've used the preupgrade process on a few machines for F10 -> F11, but 
was bit by the mirror problems last Saturday.  I upgraded a similar i386 
machine using the network install CD yesterday so I figured the mirror 
problem was fixed.


Don't be afraid to upgrade if you are willing to deal with all of the 
problems, just backup first.


Pete


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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

I downloaded the supergrub iso and installed it onto my usb drive.
When I boot from it, it gives me the grub> command line.  Is that a
sign I don't have the USB installation right or is that the tool that
I am supposed to use to fix my non booting drive ?

Thanks

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
> Here is my grub file.  The boot partition is /dev/sda1.  That should
> be hd0,0, right ?The root partition is sda2.  That should be
> hd0,1, right ?
>
> Does anyone see anything wrong with my grub setup ?
>
> I don't understand how installing an f12 kernel and then uninstalling
> it could still result in a machine that won't boot.   Does f12 assume
> an ext4 filesystem or something ?  df thinks my file systems are all
> ext3.
>
> Thanks
>
> default=0
> timeout=15
> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> hiddenmenu
> title Fedora (2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586)
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 ro
> root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
> title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 ro
> root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
> initrd /initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586.img
>
> On 7/16/09, Rich Mahn  wrote:
>>
>>> I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
>>> f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
>>> in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
>>> neither would boot.
>>
>> I have had this problem often when I've been moving disks around or
>> when I am testing out new operating systems.  It has always been
>> one of two things:
>>
>>   1. the BIOS has reordered disks and you aren't booting from the
>>  disk you want, or
>>   2. (similar to above), the disk identified in grub is the wrong one
>>  and needs to be dhanged.  Where you see something like
>>  root (hd0,0), you may need to change it to root(hd1,0).
>>
>> This can sometimes be caused by a USB device being present (or not).
>> If you loaded your OS with a USB drive, it may have shifted all the
>> hd's when creating the grub.conf file.
>>
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RE: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Markus Kesaromous]

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:52:09 -0700
> From: develo...@toyon.com
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
>
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
> PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This
> PS>> may take a while" state?
>
> KC = Kevin J. Cummings
> KC> CTRL-ALT-F2 usually does it when you are running
> KC> anaconda
>
> PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
> PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
> PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
> PS>> the install 19 hours ago.
>
> KC> CTRL-ALT-F3, CTRL-ALT-F4, and CTRL-ALT-F5 usually
> KC> contain interesting information during an anaconda
> KC> install. I think console 3 has the anaconda logs,
> KC> console 4 has syslog messages, and console 5 has
> KC> the Xorg log.
>
> Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
>
> In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97% of CPU with anaconda
> consuming the rest. Maybe the video driver is causing me grief.
>
> Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more priority or get Xorg
> out of the way?
>
> Pete
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Increasing priority will probably not be helpful - but from the shell, you can 
issue

renice --10 where  is the anaconda process id.

You could also drastically decrease the priority of the Xserver by

renice +20 

Again, I doubt it would help very much at all.

Cheers,

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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

Here is my grub file.  The boot partition is /dev/sda1.  That should
be hd0,0, right ?The root partition is sda2.  That should be
hd0,1, right ?

Does anyone see anything wrong with my grub setup ?

I don't understand how installing an f12 kernel and then uninstalling
it could still result in a machine that won't boot.   Does f12 assume
an ext4 filesystem or something ?  df thinks my file systems are all
ext3.

Thanks

default=0
timeout=15
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
title Fedora (2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 ro
root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 ro
root=UUID=f543d554-9344-4cad-a7da-47de47cd2665 rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586.img

On 7/16/09, Rich Mahn  wrote:
>
>> I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
>> f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
>> in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
>> neither would boot.
>
> I have had this problem often when I've been moving disks around or
> when I am testing out new operating systems.  It has always been
> one of two things:
>
>   1. the BIOS has reordered disks and you aren't booting from the
>  disk you want, or
>   2. (similar to above), the disk identified in grub is the wrong one
>  and needs to be dhanged.  Where you see something like
>  root (hd0,0), you may need to change it to root(hd1,0).
>
> This can sometimes be caused by a USB device being present (or not).
> If you loaded your OS with a USB drive, it may have shifted all the
> hd's when creating the grub.conf file.
>
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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished.  This
PS>> may take a while" state?

KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> CTRL-ALT-F2 usually does it when you are running
KC> anaconda

PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>>  I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck.  I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.

KC> CTRL-ALT-F3, CTRL-ALT-F4, and CTRL-ALT-F5 usually
KC> contain interesting information during an anaconda
KC> install.  I think console 3 has the anaconda logs,
KC> console 4 has syslog messages, and console 5 has
KC> the Xorg log.

Thanks Kevin.  That's exactly what I needed!

In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97% of CPU with anaconda 
consuming the rest.  Maybe the video driver is causing me grief.


Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more priority or get Xorg 
out of the way?


Pete

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Re: [FC] Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with
TM preupgrade) from F10. Everything went fine
TM until "Finishing upgrade process", which
TM has been running now for 14 hours, with
TM that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo
TM swinging from side to side.
TM
TM I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM
TM Please, this is Linux.
TM Tell us what is happening,
TM and show us what progress is being made.

SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA>>> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going
SA>>> into a shell I saw that anaconda was only
SA>>> taking ~2%CPU...

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This
PS>> may take a while" state?
PS>>
PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.

JB = Joerg Bergmann
JB> See the "software upgrade failed" thread on this list.
JB> Due to all mirrors out of sync, any network install
JB> (or install with online repositories included) is
JB> impossible now. I learned that on Sunday, July 12. I
JB> did terminate an installation from DVD with online
JB> repositories included. An offline installation worked
JB> well. On Monday 15:00 UTC there was a window for
JB> doing the updates, but mirrors got de-synced after
JB> that again...

I was burnt by this problem last Saturday, but I successfully completed 
a network install CD upgrade on a i386 machine yesterday, just before 
upgrading the machine that is currently causing me problems.  The screen 
statued that is successfully installed 1090 packages.


Does anyone else believe this is the "mirror problem".

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm wondering how to determine what is 
going on on the machine?  How did Simon get into a shell?


How long should I wait before rebooting?

Pete


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How to get vsftpd working

[Paolo Galtieri]

I've been trying to get vsftpd working but have had no luck so far.  This is
my config:

anonymous_enable=NO
local_enable=YES
write_enable=YES
local_umask=022
dirmessage_enable=YES
xferlog_enable=YES
connect_from_port_20=YES
xferlog_file=/var/log/vsftpd.log
xferlog_std_format=YES
ascii_upload_enable=YES
ascii_download_enable=YES
ftpd_banner=Welcome to Darkstar FTP service.
listen=YES

pam_service_name=vsftpd
userlist_enable=YES
tcp_wrappers=YES
pasv_max_port=1024
no_anon_password=YES

I am able to connect from my client system to the server.  I login as user
pgaltieri, am prompted for password, and when I enter it I am logged in.
However, once this happens I can't do anything.  If I try to put a file I
get:

ftp> put SPAM
local: SPAM remote: SPAM
227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,31,17).
553 Could not create file.

If I try to list the directory:

ftp> dir
227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,70,211,221).
150 Here comes the directory listing.
226 Transfer done (but failed to open directory).
ftp>

The directory ownership on the server is:

[pgalti...@darkstar ~]$ /bin/ls -ld /home/pgaltieri
drwxr-xr-x. 38 pgaltieri pgaltieri 4096 2009-07-16 10:40 /home/pgaltieri

I changed this from the default 700 wondering if this might be the cause but
it made no difference.

I'm sure I'm doing something stupid, but I don't remember it being this hard
to set up.

I'm also logged in as the same user on the client system.  The directory
permissions on the client are 700

[pgalti...@peglaptop10 ~]$ /bin/ls -ld ~pgaltieri
drwx--. 62 pgaltieri pgaltieri 4096 2009-07-16 11:34 /home/pgaltieri

I tried it with 755 but it still fails.

I would appreciate any help from someone who can tell me what I'm missing.
It seems to be a permissions issue on the server, but I don't know what it
could be.  I'm not getting any selinux alerts.

Thanks
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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Kevin J. Cummings]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:

How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is 
finished.  This may take a while" state?


CTRL-ALT-F2 usually does it when you are running anaconda

I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.  I'm updating F10 -> F11 
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck.  I started 
the install 19 hours ago.


CTRL-ALT-F3, CTRL-ALT-F4, and CTRL-ALT-F5 usually contain interesting 
information during an anaconda install.  I think console 3 has the 
anaconda logs, console 4 has syslog messages, and console 5 has the Xorg 
log.



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RE: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Markus Kesaromous]

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:17:50 -0700
> From: develo...@toyon.com
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
>
> TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
> TM>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
> TM>> Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
> TM>> which has been running now for 14 hours,
> TM>> with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
> TM>>
> TM>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
> TM>>
> TM>> Please, this is Linux.
> TM>> Tell us what is happening,
> TM>> and show us what progress is being made.
>
> SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
> SA> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a
> SA> shell I saw that anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU...
>
> How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is
> finished. This may take a while" state?
>
> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine. I'm updating F10 -> F11
> with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
> the install 19 hours ago.
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
> Pete
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Usually, during the install / upgrade process, you can Ctrl-Alt one of  the  F 
keys
which has a running shell in it already.  However, i am not sure the shell
would help.

What I suggest is that you get the full F11 DVD iso and do the upgrade from 
that.
Doing an upgrade can be problematic because it is possible that some or many
rpms you currently have on F10 (which you might have installed from repositories
other than Redhat/Fedora), will fail the upgrade.

May I ask why you want to do an "upgrade" vs "install"??

Cheers,

MM

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Joerg Bergmann]

See the "software upgrade failed" thread on this list.
Due to all mirrors out of sync, any network install
(or install with online repositories included) is impossible
at now. I learned that on Sunday, July 12. I did terminate
an installation from DVD with online repositories
included. An offline installation worked well. On Monday
15:00 UTC there was a window for doing the updates, but
mirrors got de-synced after that again...

Joerg

Am 16.07.2009 20:17, schrieb Peter J. Stieber:

TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
TM>> Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
TM>> which has been running now for 14 hours,
TM>> with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
TM>>
TM>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>
TM>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>> and show us what progress is being made.

SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a
SA> shell I saw that anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU...

How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is
finished. This may take a while" state?

I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine. I'm updating F10 -> F11
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
the install 19 hours ago.

Any help would be appreciated,
Pete



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fwbackups failure in Fedora 10

[Jack Howarth]

   Is anyone else seeing this failure in fwbackups under
Fedora 10? I find that when I start fwbackups, click on
the One-Time Backup, select a directory in my user account
and then select a directory on an external usb firewire drive
(ext3) which I have write permission to that the backup fails
with an alert saying...

Error initializing.
An error occurred initializing the backup operation: 'OldToKeep'

This is the only error message I see.
   Jack

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Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows

[Peter J. Stieber]

TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
TM>> Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
TM>> which has been running now for 14 hours,
TM>> with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
TM>>
TM>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>
TM>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>> and show us what progress is being made.

SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA> I saw this too (but not for that long).  Going into a
SA> shell I saw that anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU...

How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is 
finished.  This may take a while" state?


I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.  I'm updating F10 -> F11 
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck.  I started 
the install 19 hours ago.


Any help would be appreciated,
Pete

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Re: [fedora-list] How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Rich Mahn]

> I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
> f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
> in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
> neither would boot.

I have had this problem often when I've been moving disks around or
when I am testing out new operating systems.  It has always been
one of two things:

  1. the BIOS has reordered disks and you aren't booting from the
 disk you want, or
  2. (similar to above), the disk identified in grub is the wrong one
 and needs to be dhanged.  Where you see something like
 root (hd0,0), you may need to change it to root(hd1,0).

This can sometimes be caused by a USB device being present (or not).
If you loaded your OS with a USB drive, it may have shifted all the
hd's when creating the grub.conf file.


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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

All traces of the f12 kernel have been removed without errors via rpm.
 My computer still won't boot.

When I run fdisk on sda (the hard disk), partition 1 is still set to
boot and the ID is still 83/Linux.  Everything looks good.

Why won't my computer boot ?

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
>> To fix Grub fast and easy, after editing the kernel grouping, or
>> anything else out of  /boot/grub/grub.conf, you can grab a livecd that
>> works good on fixing a broken grub boot, called super grub disk (I have
>> used it plenty of times when a borked boot of a fedora box happened to
>> me) and it works great.  Biggest thing I can think of is edit grub.conf,
>> and change the default to a known good kernel and remove the bad kernel
>> out. That is to say you have a good one you can boot off of still on the
>> system
>
> I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
> f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
> in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
> neither would boot.
>
> I think this is somehow an mbr problem.
>

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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Seann Clark]

linux guy wrote:

To fix Grub fast and easy, after editing the kernel grouping, or
anything else out of  /boot/grub/grub.conf, you can grab a livecd that
works good on fixing a broken grub boot, called super grub disk (I have
used it plenty of times when a borked boot of a fedora box happened to
me) and it works great.  Biggest thing I can think of is edit grub.conf,
and change the default to a known good kernel and remove the bad kernel
out. That is to say you have a good one you can boot off of still on the
system



I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
neither would boot.

I think this is somehow an mbr problem.

  
Well for my other suggestion, instead of pure Fedora, at the very least 
just to see if it does fix this check out http://www.supergrubdisk.org/


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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

> To fix Grub fast and easy, after editing the kernel grouping, or
> anything else out of  /boot/grub/grub.conf, you can grab a livecd that
> works good on fixing a broken grub boot, called super grub disk (I have
> used it plenty of times when a borked boot of a fedora box happened to
> me) and it works great.  Biggest thing I can think of is edit grub.conf,
> and change the default to a known good kernel and remove the bad kernel
> out. That is to say you have a good one you can boot off of still on the
> system

I did that, twice, first off, before I ever posted to the group.   The
f12 kernel installed to default 0 and then I had 2 f11 2.6.29 kernels
in positions 1 and 2.  I changed the default to both of them and
neither would boot.

I think this is somehow an mbr problem.

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Re: Linksys Wireless WSUSB54G ?

[Suvayu Ali]

Jim wrote:

On 07/16/2009 11:55 AM, suvayu ali wrote:

You rename it to what ever name is mentioned in the page and put it in
/lib/firmware.


I'm sorry but I don't understand this paragraph, what page ?

suvayu, Thanks for your help on this.


I am sorry for being unclear. Was getting late for a meeting.

I meant for you to follow the instructions in 
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/p54 . Here they ask the user 
to download the firmware and rename it to something depending on the 
chip used in the device and the kernel of your system, and put it in 
/lib/firmware/


The supported device list is at 
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/p54/devices


I also did a little more digging in the fedora-list archives. There was 
another user probably with the same device as you.[1] And I believe 
after a lengthy discussion on the list[2] we came to the conclusion that 
at _that_ moment it was not supported properly. But I think things might 
have changed as your device seems to be listed here[3].


You might want to look for the appropriate firmware on this page.
http://daemonizer.de/prism54/prism54-fw/

Hope this helps. If you still can't make this work, try IRC: #prism54 on 
freenode. However I have to say this, you have to be very patient there. 
There are very few active users. You will get a response but might take 
an hour or two.


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[2]https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-June/thread.html#00034
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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

So here is what I did:

- open a regular (non chroot) session.
- cd to /media/-/
- mount /dev/sda1 boot   /dev/sda1 is the /media/-boot/ drive.  I
found this out by doing a df and looking at the mappings.
- the mount has to be done in the NON chroot session because the
chroot session doesn't have access to /media and its /dev doesn't have
the boot directory in it.  What all this does is mount the boot
partition to /boot for the chroot session, just like the linux OS does
when it boots for real.  Once that is all done, do this:

- open a chroot session
- cd to /home/xxx/Download, where the rpm files were that I installed
- rpm -i kernel*rpm.  This gave me an obscure error
- rpm -F kernel*rpm.  This worked
- rpm -q kernel  - this listed the f12 kernel.
- rpm -e kernel...rpm for the f12 kernel.  This worked.
- when I checked /media/-boot/ in the non chroot session, the f12
files were gone.  I will now reboot to see if my machine runs.

One thing I learned in all this is that its really, really nice doing
a rescue from a Live CD because you have full access to the Internet
and you can open both chroot and non chroot terminals to the hard
drive file system and operate as you need to.  The chroot sessions
allow you to use all the tools (in the correct versions) that you have
installed on the hard drive.  The non chroot sessions allow you to
access the hard drives from a more global view, ie via /media/-/, etc.
 Pretty neat.

I am going to reboot now...

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
> No joy.  All I got was the same blinking cursor.  I'm running from the
> F9 Live CD.
>
> BTW: chroot above was actually /usr/sbin/chroot.   And the yum problem
> with the repos wasn't the repos at all.  The chroot session doesn't
> have access to the network.  ping www.google.com returns "unknown
> host" in the chroot session, whereas its found from a non chroot
> session.
>
> yum -C list kernel shows only the two F11 kernels.  The F12 kernel is gone.
>
> However, if I look at grub. conf in /media/-/boot, the entry for the
> F12 kernel is still there !  Furthermore so are the F12 kernel files.
>  So I am guessing that rpm didn't remove any of the actual files, even
> though it seems to have removed all of the database entries.  GREAT !
> I've got a mess on my hands.
>
> This makes sense, because if I do a cd /boot from the chroot session,
> it shows a blank directory.   However, if I cd to /media/-/boot, its
> definitely not empty.
>
> I think I need to link the /boot directory to /media/-/boot and then
> to an rpm -i against the F12 kernel rpm to reinstall the entries into
> the database and then do a rpm -e to actually remove the files.
>
> Does that make sense ?  Is there an easier way ?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> HOWEVER
>
> On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
>> I think I got it fixed.  Here is what I did in case someone needs it
>> someday
>> :)
>>
>> - booted F9 Live.  Just because I had it around.
>> - opened Dolphin, because it displays the hard drives for the machine
>> - opened a terminal in Dolphin
>> - browse to the root directory of the hard drive
>> - did a pwd in the terminal and found the root of my hard drive was
>> /media/-/
>> - su
>> - chroot /media/-/
>> - yum -C list kernel  <- did -C because the Fedora repos seem to be
>> messed up again, thus I only used the local cache data
>> - yum -C remove kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>> - this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies.
>> - rpm -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>> - this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies
>> - rpm --nodeps -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>> - rpm -e kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>>
>> I will now reboot and see if my system runs.  I'll report back in a
>> bit if it does.
>>
>> On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
>>> Will chroot work when the target system has a broken kernel ?   It
>>> keeps running the old kernel ?
>>>
>>> I tried using rpm with --dbpath so that it used the F11 rpm data.  It
>>> wouldn't run because of incompatible rpm versions.
>>>
>>> On 7/16/09, davide  wrote:
 linux guy  gmail.com> writes:


>  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
>  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
>  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible
> to
>  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live
> session
>  ?

 You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the
 chroot
 command using the command line.
 But you should know what you are doing.
 Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can
 also
 break
 your system.

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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Fennix]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Seann Clark wrote:

> linux guy wrote:
>
>> No joy.  All I got was the same blinking cursor.  I'm running from the
>> F9 Live CD.
>>
>> BTW: chroot above was actually /usr/sbin/chroot.   And the yum problem
>> with the repos wasn't the repos at all.  The chroot session doesn't
>> have access to the network.  ping www.google.com returns "unknown
>> host" in the chroot session, whereas its found from a non chroot
>> session.
>>
>> yum -C list kernel shows only the two F11 kernels.  The F12 kernel is
>> gone.
>>
>> However, if I look at grub. conf in /media/-/boot, the entry for the
>> F12 kernel is still there !  Furthermore so are the F12 kernel files.
>>  So I am guessing that rpm didn't remove any of the actual files, even
>> though it seems to have removed all of the database entries.  GREAT !
>> I've got a mess on my hands.
>>
>> This makes sense, because if I do a cd /boot from the chroot session,
>> it shows a blank directory.   However, if I cd to /media/-/boot, its
>> definitely not empty.
>>
>> I think I need to link the /boot directory to /media/-/boot and then
>> to an rpm -i against the F12 kernel rpm to reinstall the entries into
>> the database and then do a rpm -e to actually remove the files.
>>
>> Does that make sense ?  Is there an easier way ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> HOWEVER
>>
>> On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I think I got it fixed.  Here is what I did in case someone needs it
>>> someday
>>> :)
>>>
>>> - booted F9 Live.  Just because I had it around.
>>> - opened Dolphin, because it displays the hard drives for the machine
>>> - opened a terminal in Dolphin
>>> - browse to the root directory of the hard drive
>>> - did a pwd in the terminal and found the root of my hard drive was
>>> /media/-/
>>> - su
>>> - chroot /media/-/
>>> - yum -C list kernel  <- did -C because the Fedora repos seem to be
>>> messed up again, thus I only used the local cache data
>>> - yum -C remove kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>>> - this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies.
>>> - rpm -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>>> - this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies
>>> - rpm --nodeps -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>>> - rpm -e kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>>>
>>> I will now reboot and see if my system runs.  I'll report back in a
>>> bit if it does.
>>>
>>> On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Will chroot work when the target system has a broken kernel ?   It
 keeps running the old kernel ?

 I tried using rpm with --dbpath so that it used the F11 rpm data.  It
 wouldn't run because of incompatible rpm versions.

 On 7/16/09, davide  wrote:


> linux guy  gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>
>
>>  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
>>  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
>>  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible
>> to
>>  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live
>> session
>>  ?
>>
>>
> You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the
> chroot
> command using the command line.
> But you should know what you are doing.
> Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can
> also
> break
> your system.
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>>
>>
> To fix Grub fast and easy, after editing the kernel grouping, or anything
> else out of  /boot/grub/grub.conf, you can grab a livecd that works good on
> fixing a broken grub boot, called super grub disk (I have used it plenty of
> times when a borked boot of a fedora box happened to me) and it works great.
>  Biggest thing I can think of is edit grub.conf, and change the default to a
> known good kernel and remove the bad kernel out. That is to say you have a
> good one you can boot off of still on the system
>
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It definately seems like your grub configuration was "borked" and not much
more.  The files of your previous versions are still there (it seems as the
directory is populated with many files) and in their proper place (though
when using the live CD you see them under /media) so you need to add one
of the older kernel entries back into your grub.con file pointing to the
normal location.  I wil post here the latest entry for my grub.conf and you
can substitute your kernel version specifics as needed
# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not 

Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[Seann Clark]

linux guy wrote:

No joy.  All I got was the same blinking cursor.  I'm running from the
F9 Live CD.

BTW: chroot above was actually /usr/sbin/chroot.   And the yum problem
with the repos wasn't the repos at all.  The chroot session doesn't
have access to the network.  ping www.google.com returns "unknown
host" in the chroot session, whereas its found from a non chroot
session.

yum -C list kernel shows only the two F11 kernels.  The F12 kernel is gone.

However, if I look at grub. conf in /media/-/boot, the entry for the
F12 kernel is still there !  Furthermore so are the F12 kernel files.
 So I am guessing that rpm didn't remove any of the actual files, even
though it seems to have removed all of the database entries.  GREAT !
I've got a mess on my hands.

This makes sense, because if I do a cd /boot from the chroot session,
it shows a blank directory.   However, if I cd to /media/-/boot, its
definitely not empty.

I think I need to link the /boot directory to /media/-/boot and then
to an rpm -i against the F12 kernel rpm to reinstall the entries into
the database and then do a rpm -e to actually remove the files.

Does that make sense ?  Is there an easier way ?

Thanks


HOWEVER

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
  

I think I got it fixed.  Here is what I did in case someone needs it someday
:)

- booted F9 Live.  Just because I had it around.
- opened Dolphin, because it displays the hard drives for the machine
- opened a terminal in Dolphin
- browse to the root directory of the hard drive
- did a pwd in the terminal and found the root of my hard drive was
/media/-/
- su
- chroot /media/-/
- yum -C list kernel  <- did -C because the Fedora repos seem to be
messed up again, thus I only used the local cache data
- yum -C remove kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
- this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies.
- rpm -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
- this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies
- rpm --nodeps -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
- rpm -e kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12

I will now reboot and see if my system runs.  I'll report back in a
bit if it does.

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:


Will chroot work when the target system has a broken kernel ?   It
keeps running the old kernel ?

I tried using rpm with --dbpath so that it used the F11 rpm data.  It
wouldn't run because of incompatible rpm versions.

On 7/16/09, davide  wrote:
  

linux guy  gmail.com> writes:




 I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
 see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
 would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible to
 do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live session
 ?
  

You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the
chroot
command using the command line.
But you should know what you are doing.
Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can
also
break
your system.

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To fix Grub fast and easy, after editing the kernel grouping, or 
anything else out of  /boot/grub/grub.conf, you can grab a livecd that 
works good on fixing a broken grub boot, called super grub disk (I have 
used it plenty of times when a borked boot of a fedora box happened to 
me) and it works great.  Biggest thing I can think of is edit grub.conf, 
and change the default to a known good kernel and remove the bad kernel 
out. That is to say you have a good one you can boot off of still on the 
system


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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

No joy.  All I got was the same blinking cursor.  I'm running from the
F9 Live CD.

BTW: chroot above was actually /usr/sbin/chroot.   And the yum problem
with the repos wasn't the repos at all.  The chroot session doesn't
have access to the network.  ping www.google.com returns "unknown
host" in the chroot session, whereas its found from a non chroot
session.

yum -C list kernel shows only the two F11 kernels.  The F12 kernel is gone.

However, if I look at grub. conf in /media/-/boot, the entry for the
F12 kernel is still there !  Furthermore so are the F12 kernel files.
 So I am guessing that rpm didn't remove any of the actual files, even
though it seems to have removed all of the database entries.  GREAT !
I've got a mess on my hands.

This makes sense, because if I do a cd /boot from the chroot session,
it shows a blank directory.   However, if I cd to /media/-/boot, its
definitely not empty.

I think I need to link the /boot directory to /media/-/boot and then
to an rpm -i against the F12 kernel rpm to reinstall the entries into
the database and then do a rpm -e to actually remove the files.

Does that make sense ?  Is there an easier way ?

Thanks


HOWEVER

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
> I think I got it fixed.  Here is what I did in case someone needs it someday
> :)
>
> - booted F9 Live.  Just because I had it around.
> - opened Dolphin, because it displays the hard drives for the machine
> - opened a terminal in Dolphin
> - browse to the root directory of the hard drive
> - did a pwd in the terminal and found the root of my hard drive was
> /media/-/
> - su
> - chroot /media/-/
> - yum -C list kernel  <- did -C because the Fedora repos seem to be
> messed up again, thus I only used the local cache data
> - yum -C remove kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
> - this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies.
> - rpm -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
> - this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies
> - rpm --nodeps -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
> - rpm -e kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
>
> I will now reboot and see if my system runs.  I'll report back in a
> bit if it does.
>
> On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
>> Will chroot work when the target system has a broken kernel ?   It
>> keeps running the old kernel ?
>>
>> I tried using rpm with --dbpath so that it used the F11 rpm data.  It
>> wouldn't run because of incompatible rpm versions.
>>
>> On 7/16/09, davide  wrote:
>>> linux guy  gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible to
  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live session
  ?
>>>
>>> You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the
>>> chroot
>>> command using the command line.
>>> But you should know what you are doing.
>>> Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can
>>> also
>>> break
>>> your system.
>>>
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Getting rt2860 to work in FC11

[Markus Kesaromous]

After installing fc11 from dvd, I discovered there was no rt2860sta.ko module.
I then downloaded the kernel source rpm, reconfig'ed to support rt2860
and rebuilt and installed. 
Now, rt2860sta.ko gets loaded and wpa_supplicant is happy.


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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

I think I got it fixed.  Here is what I did in case someone needs it someday :)

- booted F9 Live.  Just because I had it around.
- opened Dolphin, because it displays the hard drives for the machine
- opened a terminal in Dolphin
- browse to the root directory of the hard drive
- did a pwd in the terminal and found the root of my hard drive was /media/-/
- su
- chroot /media/-/
- yum -C list kernel  <- did -C because the Fedora repos seem to be
messed up again, thus I only used the local cache data
- yum -C remove kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
- this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies.
- rpm -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
- this resulted in an error due to some unrelated pooched dependencies
- rpm --nodeps -e kernel-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12
- rpm -e kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.69.rc3.fc12

I will now reboot and see if my system runs.  I'll report back in a
bit if it does.

On 7/16/09, linux guy  wrote:
> Will chroot work when the target system has a broken kernel ?   It
> keeps running the old kernel ?
>
> I tried using rpm with --dbpath so that it used the F11 rpm data.  It
> wouldn't run because of incompatible rpm versions.
>
> On 7/16/09, davide  wrote:
>> linux guy  gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>>  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
>>>  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
>>>  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible to
>>>  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live session
>>>  ?
>>
>> You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the
>> chroot
>> command using the command line.
>> But you should know what you are doing.
>> Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can
>> also
>> break
>> your system.
>>
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Re: vlc 1.0.0 for Fedora 10

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 23:57 -0400, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know if rpm fusion will be releasing vlc 1.0.0 for F10?  I
> want to try out the improved AVCHD support in 1.0.0, but I don't want to
> move up to F11 (not until I have 3D support for my HD3850 video card).

An RC version has been available for at least a couple of weeks:

% rpm -q vlc
vlc-1.0.0-0.12rc4.fc11.x86_64

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Re: Linksys Wireless WSUSB54G ?

[Jim]

On 07/16/2009 11:55 AM, suvayu ali wrote:

You rename it to what ever name is mentioned in the page and put it in
/lib/firmware.


You rename it to what ever name is mentioned in the page and put it in
/lib/firmware.

I'm sorry but I don't understand this paragraph, what page ?

suvayu, Thanks for your help on this.



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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[linux guy]

Will chroot work when the target system has a broken kernel ?   It
keeps running the old kernel ?

I tried using rpm with --dbpath so that it used the F11 rpm data.  It
wouldn't run because of incompatible rpm versions.

On 7/16/09, davide  wrote:
> linux guy  gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
>>  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
>>  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible to
>>  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live session
>>  ?
>
> You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the chroot
> command using the command line.
> But you should know what you are doing.
> Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can also
> break
> your system.
>
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Re: Query about fedora 11

[Patrick Mansfield]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:02:09PM +0530, Anant More wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to install 'fedora 11' in to my system, while this I'm not able
> to make '/boot' partition. I have 2 HDD's in system, in 1st disk I have
> windows XP, and want to install 'fedora 11' on 2nd disk!
> If I'm trying for '/boot' partition it will generate a 'Unexpected Error' of
> a bug. Why it is so ?

Maybe this bug? 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501768

A real PITA for me. I had created a new boot partition by splitting an
existing paritition, and used whatever partition number I could, so ended
up with partitions out of order. Plus, one of my partitions could not even
be read by parted (or maybe it was cfdisk ...).

Run fdisk -l /dev/sdN on you drives, and see if you get a "Partition table
entries are not in disk order".

Re-numbering partitions sounds like it should be fairly easy, but because
(I assume) of the cylinder/head setup, it might be impossible to exactly
map to specific start and end blocks!

Good luck :-(

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Re: How do a fix a non working kernel installation ?

[davide]

linux guy  gmail.com> writes:


>  I am now running from a Fedora 9 live CD I had laying around.  I can
>  see the hard drive and its partitions from the live session.  How
>  would I fix the F11 installation so it runs again ?  Is it possible to
>  do an rpm -e on the non running F11 partition from the F9 live session
>  ?

You can take control of the installed linux from a live cd with the chroot
command using the command line.
But you should know what you are doing.
Basically it is very simple and powerful, but for this reason you can also break
your system.

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Re: Status of a 2.6.30 kernel ? Other sources for a 2.6.30 kernel.

[linux guy]

I'll give adjusting the timeout a try.

Thanks

On 7/16/09, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:30:59 -0400,
>   linux guy  wrote:
>> So... I found the koji site and I found a 2.6.31-rc3 kernel rpm for
>> fc12.  It installed on my machine just fine with rpm -i.
>>
>> However, when I rebooted my computer all I got was a flashing cursor.
>> No grub kernel select screen, no nothing.
>
> Boot a rescue disk and check the grub configuration. You may want to adjust
> the timeout setting. (I like to use 9.) That should give you time to
> switch which kernel you are booting from.
>
> While the video driver churning continues to go on, running kernels from
> koji that are two far removed from your base system are likely to have
> problems. The libdrm, kernel, xorg and mesa stuff all needs to be consistant
> with each other.
>

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suggestions for library pc environment

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Probably I have the opportunity to set-up (in my spare time) 4 PC for
the library of the town where I live.
They have been given as a present and are Dell GX260 PC with good cpu
and ram (but) with 20Gb hard disk.
There is not a robust infrastructure in the library at the moment.
There are 5 PC with Windos Xp (eventually I can also reuse them having
so a total of 9 stations), overbloated by antivirus and unnecessary
things usera have put on (some of them are accessed with admin
rights)
I'm thinking about what kind of opensource service/suite suitable for
the library I could implement, based on fedora 11 of course that I'm
extensively using.
Or a mix of Fedora and CentOS.

I wouldn't like to keep it more complicated than needed, also because
then I will not have so much time to follow and support (I hope some
student in my town could learn and keep on eventually, though...;-)
AFAIK, the PCs at the moment are used mainly to go through the
internet, do instant messaging, create and print documents through a
printer connected to one PC used by the librarian), and are used by
Italian and foreign persons.
I think at the moment the records about books lent to the users are
only on paper... so it would be an added value to integrate with some
kind of sw able to manage the flow of the book of the books ..;-)

Some considerations below, I would like to receive back suggestions
and/or comments or other points I missed.

- predefined user for every pc (eventually different between different
PCs) or any user his/her login?
Second one would be far better because one could choose the preferred
language and also desktop customization
Also, the first time a user asks to use a PC, he/she has to register
and the library can keep track of this...
But I should setup a sw to let a guy easily make first registration
and let him/her use on any PC that is present
(eventually it could be a step integrated with the sw used for
workflow of book loan..)
In first scenario, instead, I should provide a way so that every time
the predefined user logs on, he/she gets a completely new session,
without mixing personal data of different users: is there a gnome
setting that allows to save nothing about a session?

- LTSP? Could it be an option?
I used version 4.2 for a test case some years and it was well
documented and suitable... not tried version 5 that is provided in
F11.
Any comments on this? A weakness I see is that if LTSP server is down
or has a problem with the network, all the PC stations are impacted.
And I have to count one more PC to use as a server


thanks in advance
Gianluca

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Re: Query about fedora 11

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Anant More wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to install 'fedora 11' in to my system, while this I'm not
> able to make '/boot' partition. I have 2 HDD's in system, in 1st disk I
> have windows XP, and want to install 'fedora 11' on 2nd disk!
> If I'm trying for '/boot' partition it will generate a 'Unexpected
> Error' of a bug. Why it is so ?
> 
It would help to have more details on how you are doing the install.
Are you doing the install from the live CD, the install DVD, or some
other method?

How are you trying to create the /boot partition?

Mikkel
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