Hardware recommendations for a 64bit kvm server?

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

Suggestions on motherboards etc for running 2-4 virtual machines for 
general purpose uses (suppliers in Australia would be good!).


Thanks,

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Re: active network connection stops working...

[charles zeitler]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Antonio Olivares
wrote:

>
> >
>
> Looks to be correct.  I double checked in Fedora 10 and Fedora 11 and it is
> about the same.  I did not check selinux contexts though :(
>
> You are connecting via dialup or wireless broadband?


 DSL

>
> How long does the connection last?


 seems to vary  ( with each installation )


>  If you do a restart ?
> something like
> # service NetworkMangager stop
> # service NetworkManager start
>

doesn't help.

>
> take a look at output of
> # ifconfig -a


eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:10:B5:BB:49:C7
  inet6 addr: fe80::210:b5ff:febb:49c7/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:39 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:1636 (1.5 KiB)  TX bytes:2556 (2.4 KiB)
  Interrupt:19 Base address:0x8800

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:560 (560.0 b)  TX bytes:560 (560.0 b)

ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
  inet addr:76.214.54.232  P-t-P:151.164.182.119
Mask:255.255.255.255
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:1
  RX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
  RX bytes:54 (54.0 b)  TX bytes:54 (54.0 b)


> and/or system logs to find what is causing this.  also dmesg can see if a
> driver or kernel module caused the stoppage?
>

dmesg doesn't seem to be much help, but i found something i cropped from
messages:

Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: Warning: can't open options file
/root/.ppprc: Permission denied
Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: Using interface ppp0
Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/0
Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppoe[1965]: PPP session is 2563 (0xa03)
Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: PAP authentication succeeded
Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: local  IP address 76.236.148.89
Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: remote IP address 151.164.182.119
Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: primary   DNS address 68.94.156.1
Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: secondary DNS address 68.94.157.1
Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1972]: Can't execute /etc/ppp/ip-up: Permission
denied
Jul 22 22:29:02 cthuga ntpd[1512]: Listening on interface #5 ppp0,
76.236.148.89#123 Enabled

i looked for /root/.ppprc , to stat it, but it doesn't exist.




>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio
>
> charles zeitler

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?

[Frank Murphy]

On 23/07/09 01:05, Michael Leung wrote:

I think Linux is much more than 1%.



Maybe we can get "Back patches and colours"


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Re: What is this .gvfs directory?

[Ron Yorston]

Bradley  wrote:
>On 07/22/2009 09:01 AM, Bradley wrote:
>> On 07/22/2009 07:17 AM, davide wrote:
>>> Bradley comcast.net> writes:
>>>
 I have my system do regular automated backups and just noticed that the
 backups have been failing do to a ".gvfs" directory
>>>
>>> there is a similar thread quite recent.
>>> search into the archives, there is a solution (a dirty hack maybe) 
>>> for the
>>> backup issue.
>> Okay, read the thread but apparently there is no solution to this 
>> problem. Has anyone tried permanently "breaking" or disabling fuse so 
>> that it doesn't create the directory in the first place?
>
>Final update on this thread for me:
>
>Well, I decided to "break" fuse by making the executables in the /bin 
>and /sbin directories unavailable and, guess what? The directory still 
>appears but with normal access rights thereby fixing my problem. All 
>other system operations seem to be working normally except that I have 
>to enter the root password for mounting temporary files systems, which 
>is fine since I'm the only one that uses them on my system. This will be 
>my workaround that works great!

According to a thread on the fedora-test list it's possible to prevent
the gvfs-fuse-daemon starting by setting an environment variable:

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 23:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:54 -0400, Christopher L Tubbs II wrote:
> > Can anybody tell me what this gvfs-fuse-daemon is doing mounted to a 
> > dotfile in my home directory? (.gvfs). It's new to F9 apparently (I 
> > never noticed it in F8, and it definitely wasn't there in F7).
> > 
> > Why do I need it and can I get rid of it?
> 
> You need it if you want to be able to use posix applications on all
> sorts of exotic mounts. E.g editing text files on a gphoto mount, or in
> a mounted archive. 
> 
> To get rid of it: 
> 
> GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE=1
> export GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE

However, I've been unable to find out where to set that environment
variable.  Although gvfsd is run as the user logging in it doesn't
have that users environment.

Ron

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Fedora 11 install on MacBook Pro 5,2 fails

[Henrik Frisk]

Dear all,
I'm having trouble installing Fedora 11 on my brand new MacBook Pro. With
the live CD (x86_64) will computer will not boot stopping at a black screen,
no messages. Booting from the DVD (also x86_64) the installer (anaconda)
starts up, the first screen with the option to check media displays. The
test passes but continuing eventually ends in a freeze with a small pointer
displaying at the middle of the screen.

I would really prefer to run Fedora than OSX on this machine so I'm hoping
someone could help. I read a blogpost saying I should go for the 64bit
version but maybe that's the problem? Or maybe, it's the dual graphics cards
in this machine that confuses the installer (see below)?

Any hints would be helpful and greatly appreciated.

Best,

Henrik

Hardware info:

Model Name: MacBook Pro

  Model Identifier: MacBookPro5,2

  Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo

  Processor Speed: 3.06 GHz

  Number Of Processors: 1

  Total Number Of Cores: 2

  L2 Cache: 6 MB

  Memory: 4 GB

  Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz

  Boot ROM Version: MBP52.008E.B05


*NVIDIA GeForce 9400M:*


  Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M

  Type: Display

  Bus: PCI

  VRAM (Total): 256 MB

  Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)

  Device ID: 0x0863

  Revision ID: 0x00b1

  ROM Revision: 3436

  gMux Version: 1.7.10

  Displays:

*Color LCD:*

  Resolution: 1920 x 1200

  Depth: 32-Bit Color

  Core Image: Hardware Accelerated

  Main Display: Yes

  Mirror: Off

  Online: Yes

  Quartz Extreme: Supported

  Built-In: Yes


*NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT:*


  Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

  Type: Display

  Bus: PCIe

  PCIe Lane Width: x16

  VRAM (Total): 512 MB

  Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)

  Device ID: 0x0647

  Revision ID: 0x00a1

  ROM Revision: 3436

  gMux Version: 1.7.10

  Displays:

*
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cdrkit isoinfo and iso-info

[Nikola Pajkovsky]

Hi fellows,

   I'm trying resolve problem with cdkit, isoinfo and 
iso-info(libcdio). cdrkit with his isoinfo don't implement Joliet and 
Rock Ridge. I have a bug(enhance) to make support for isoinfo and utf-8. 
I think it's waste of my time to make support utf-8 in isoinfo because 
iso-info support it.


Here is my solution.

1. Implement support utf-8 in isoinfo(waste of my time)
2. Disable isoinfo in cdrkit and put into spec file dependency to 
libcdio and make symlink from iso-info to isoinfo( it's nasty solution, 
but easy )


Does anybody have problem with point 2?

Regards,
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Re: Fedora 11 install on MacBook Pro 5,2 fails

[Niels Haase]

2009/7/23 Henrik Frisk :
> Dear all,
> I'm having trouble installing Fedora 11 on my brand new MacBook Pro. With
> the live CD (x86_64) will computer will not boot stopping at a black screen,
> no messages. Booting from the DVD (also x86_64) the installer (anaconda)
> starts up, the first screen with the option to check media displays. The
> test passes but continuing eventually ends in a freeze with a small pointer
> displaying at the middle of the screen.

Can you please try it with xdriver=vesa as an anaconda boot option?

> I would really prefer to run Fedora than OSX on this machine so I'm hoping
> someone could help. I read a blogpost saying I should go for the 64bit
> version but maybe that's the problem? Or maybe, it's the dual graphics cards
> in this machine that confuses the installer (see below)?
> Any hints would be helpful and greatly appreciated.
> Best,
> Henrik
> Hardware info:
>

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epiphany blocking security updates

[Bruno Wolff III]

epiphany-2.26.3-2.fc11 in koji has been built against the newer gecko-libs
but wasn't pushed to bodhi (in either updates or updates-testing). People
who have it installed are not going to get the firefox related updates
that were recently pushed to updates without manual intervention.

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Is it possible to install Skype on Fedora 11 ?

[Mark Ryden]

Hello,
  I tried to install Skype on Fedora 11 on a 64 bit machine (x86_64).
I downloaded the rpm from Skype
website and tried to install. There is no rpm for f11 in  Skype
website. Only rpms
for fedora 6 and 7; See:
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/choose/

so I downloaded the rpm for fedora 7.
These rpms (also for Fedora 6)  are for 32 bit machines. So when
trying to install the skype rpm,
I get errors which tell me that I need to install qt 32 bit.
The errors I get are :
...
   libQtCore.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72...
libQtDBus.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72...
libQtGui.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72...
...

So I tried to install qt for 32 bit, and it failed with Transaction Check Error:

yum install qt.i386




Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test


Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_zh_CN.qm from install
of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_zh_TW.qm from install
of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_ja.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_pl.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/linguist_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/linguist_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qtconfig_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qtconfig_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qvfb_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
  file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qvfb_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64

Error Summary
-

Any ideas what should I do ?

Rgs,
Mark

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Re: F12 networkmanager, anyone else worried by this?

[Ian Malone]

2009/7/22 Rahul Sundaram :
> On 07/22/2009 03:22 PM, Ian Malone wrote:


>
>> Is anyone able to reassure me that NM will finally work this time?
>
> The best way is to run Rawhide for testing, provide feedback and
> reassure yourself.
>

So, no then.

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Re: Is it possible to install Skype on Fedora 11 ?

[John Horne]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 13:58 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote:
> Hello,

> So I tried to install qt for 32 bit, and it failed with Transaction Check 
> Error:
> 
Take a look at
http://www.my-guides.net/en/content/view/161/26/2/9/#fedora_skype

Scroll down for the skype installation. I used the skype repository. Yum
then resolves all the dependencies, and skype installed with no
problems.




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Re: Is it possible to install Skype on Fedora 11 ?

[Tanel Valdna]

The installer worked just fine for me.
Make sure you have the following packages installed:

   * Qt 4.2.1+
   * D-Bus 1.0.0
   * libsigc++ 2.0.2
   * libasound2 1.0.12   (I dont have this installed...)

Or try this guide:

http://www.tekkie.ro/computer-setup/easiest-way-to-get-skype-on-fedora-11/

On 07/23/2009 01:58 PM, Mark Ryden wrote:

Hello,
   I tried to install Skype on Fedora 11 on a 64 bit machine (x86_64).
I downloaded the rpm from Skype
website and tried to install. There is no rpm for f11 in  Skype
website. Only rpms
for fedora 6 and 7; See:
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/choose/

so I downloaded the rpm for fedora 7.
These rpms (also for Fedora 6)  are for 32 bit machines. So when
trying to install the skype rpm,
I get errors which tell me that I need to install qt 32 bit.
The errors I get are :
...
libQtCore.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72...
libQtDBus.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72...
libQtGui.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72...
...

So I tried to install qt for 32 bit, and it failed with Transaction Check Error:

yum install qt.i386




Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test


Transaction Check Error:
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_zh_CN.qm from install
of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_zh_TW.qm from install
of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_ja.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_pl.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/linguist_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/linguist_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_de.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qtconfig_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qtconfig_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qvfb_zh_CN.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64
   file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qvfb_zh_TW.qm from install of
qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64

Error Summary
-

Any ideas what should I do ?

Rgs,
Mark

   


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Re: Is it possible to install Skype on Fedora 11 ?

[Mark Ryden]

John,
thanks, adding the skype repo and yum install skype worked. Great!
rgs,
Mark


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:24 PM, John Horne wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 13:58 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote:
>> Hello,
>
>> So I tried to install qt for 32 bit, and it failed with Transaction Check 
>> Error:
>>
> Take a look at
> http://www.my-guides.net/en/content/view/161/26/2/9/#fedora_skype
>
> Scroll down for the skype installation. I used the skype repository. Yum
> then resolves all the dependencies, and skype installed with no
> problems.
>
>
>
>
> John.
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Re: F12 networkmanager, anyone else worried by this?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 07/23/2009 04:54 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> 2009/7/22 Rahul Sundaram :
>> On 07/22/2009 03:22 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>>> Is anyone able to reassure me that NM will finally work this time?
>>
>> The best way is to run Rawhide for testing, provide feedback and
>> reassure yourself.
>>
> 
> So, no then.

You seem to be reading something I have never said.

Rahul

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postfix per sender relay bounces

[Christoph Höger]

Hi,

I noticed an odd problem on my fresh local postfix setup (which was done
after Pauls howto 
 
 http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2616
) The Problem is: when my paranoid university mail server denied relay
because of the wrong helo (even though I authenticate via a TLS secured
connection), postfix happily wanted to send a bounce report. To the
adress of the "faked" sender. So it tried to relay that bounce report to
the university server again and -of course- failed. 

Is there a way to configure postfix to send bounces for specific senders
back to a local queue?

regards

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HELP

[David West]

After Installing Fedora 11 on the hard drive I am asked to restart the
system. When I do, it wants the original CD and it will not hold my
information such as the client host password.

It is as if nothing stuck to the Drive. Please help.

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Pidgin crashes on startup

[Steven Stern]

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513388

Pidgin from July 22 update crashes on startup.


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cachefilesd.ko missing in FC11

[Albert Graham]

Hi,

The init script for /etc/init.d/cachefilesd states:

echo -n $"Starting $PROG: "

# Load the cachefiles module if needed
[ -x "$MODPROBE" ] && {
if ! /sbin/lsmod | grep cachefiles > /dev/null ; then
 $MODPROBE cachefiles $MODPROBE_ARGS || exit 1
fi
}


This implies there is a kernel modules called cachefiles.ko ? which does 
not exist


# service cachefilesd start
Starting cachefilesd: FATAL: Module cachefiles not found.

The  file called /sbin/cachefilesd is the userspace side of things that 
relies on /proc/fs/cachefiles which I assume would be created by the 
kernel module - if it existed ?


/sbin/cachefilesd -dns
Unable to open /proc/fs/cachefiles: errno 2 (No such file or directory)


Any ideas ?

Albert.




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Loss Tray Icons for NetworkManager and Email

[Steven F. LeBrun]

Hi,

When I tried to delete an Icon/applet from my upper Gnome panel, two 
other Icons/Applets also were deleted.  There should have been no 
relationships between the icon that I explicitly deleted and the two 
that disappeared.  So far I have had no luck in getting them back.


The two icons are for the NetworkManager status and and unread email 
messages count.  Any ideas on how to get these two icons back?


Environment:
Fedora 11
Gnome
Toshiba Laptop, Satellite A305.


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Re: Loss Tray Icons for NetworkManager and Email

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 07/23/2009 06:39 PM, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I tried to delete an Icon/applet from my upper Gnome panel, two
> other Icons/Applets also were deleted.  There should have been no
> relationships between the icon that I explicitly deleted and the two
> that disappeared.  So far I have had no luck in getting them back.
> 
> The two icons are for the NetworkManager status and and unread email
> messages count.  Any ideas on how to get these two icons back?

I suspect you accidentally deleted the notification area in the GNOME
panel.  Right click on the panel -> Add to Panel => Notification Area.

You cannot just delete icons off the panel. You need to go the
application in question and look for the preferences section to disable it.

Rahul

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Re: FC 10 won't boot, hangs at GRUB

[philbrog]

The instructions below  worked perfectly, system is up and running again, 
thanks!



> Boot with the cd, choose rescue mode. You'll get a shell prompt. Run:

chroot /mnt/sysimage
/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda

Then 'exit' twice.

This presumes that your boot drive is /dev/sda, which is nearly always the 
case. You can run 'fdisk /dev/sda' and see if that looks like your boot 
drive's partition.

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Re: [Solved] Loss Tray Icons for NetworkManager and Email

[Steven F. LeBrun]

On 07/23/2009 09:15 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

On 07/23/2009 06:39 PM, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
   

Hi,

When I tried to delete an Icon/applet from my upper Gnome panel, two
other Icons/Applets also were deleted.  There should have been no
relationships between the icon that I explicitly deleted and the two
that disappeared.  So far I have had no luck in getting them back.

The two icons are for the NetworkManager status and and unread email
messages count.  Any ideas on how to get these two icons back?
 


I suspect you accidentally deleted the notification area in the GNOME
panel.  Right click on the panel ->  Add to Panel =>  Notification Area.

You cannot just delete icons off the panel. You need to go the
application in question and look for the preferences section to disable it.

Rahul

   


Thanks Rahul, it was the Notification Area that got deleted.  Adding it 
back to the panel restored the missing icon/applets.


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F11 GNOME: How to get the terminal bell back?

[Chris Adams]

In both plain old xterm and gnome-terminal, the terminal bell (e.g. from
tab completion, "ping -a", etc.) is now captured by GNOME and plays a
sound effect instead of just beeping the PC speaker.  I guess that's
nice if you like sound effects and/or your PC speaker doesn't work, but
I want the plain old beep back?  How do I get that?

If I go to Preferences->Sound, I can only change the sound effect or
disable it; I can't get the PC speaker to beep.  I guess I'd like to
leave the GNOME "alert sound" to a sound effect (I don't really care
about it); I just want my xterms to beep at me like they have for the
last 18 years.

The sound effects really suck for "ping -a"; they are all a little too
long (most of the time), so instead of a regular beep-per-second, you
get intermittent sound effects and silence.
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Re: active network connection stops working...

[Rick Sewill]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 02:18 -0500, charles zeitler wrote:

> 
> Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
> Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: Warning: can't open options
> file /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
> Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: Using interface ppp0
> Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppd[1964]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/0
> Jul 22 22:29:00 cthuga pppoe[1965]: PPP session is 2563 (0xa03)
> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: PAP authentication succeeded
> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: local  IP address 76.236.148.89
> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: remote IP address 151.164.182.119
> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: primary   DNS address 68.94.156.1
> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1964]: secondary DNS address 68.94.157.1
> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1972]: Can't execute /etc/ppp/ip-up:
> Permission denied
> Jul 22 22:29:02 cthuga ntpd[1512]: Listening on interface #5 ppp0,
> 76.236.148.89#123 Enabled
> 

I could be way off base.  I haven't used ppp in years.

My instinct is there are a number of possibilities why the link would go
down.  The following are a few I can think of:
1) PPP decides the peer is dead
2) PPP decides the link is idle and wishes to disconnect

Let me talk about these two possibilites.

1) PPP decides the peer is dead

   If PPP is not directly tied to a physical interface,
   and in your case, I assume PPP is going over ethernet to a 
   DSL interface and will not know the status of the physical DSL  
   interface, PPP could use LCP Echo to determine if the peer is dead.

   I would guess either:
   a) PPP is not using LCP Echo and decides the peer is dead -or-
   b) PPP is using LCP Echo and decides the peer is dead

I guess the first question, is PPP using LCP Echo?

I can think of three ways to find out:
a) Use Wireshark to sniff the physical interface for PPP packets.
   This is not the PPP interface.  This is the interface PPP uses,
   did you say it was ethernet or DSL, to get to the peer.

b) One could examine configuration files to see if LCP Echo is enabled.
Please let me copy some of the "man pppd" page here:
"
lcp-echo-failure n
   If  this  option is given, pppd will presume the peer to be dead
   if n LCP echo-requests are sent without receiving  a  valid  LCP
   echo-reply.   If  this  happens, pppd will terminate the connec-
   tion.  Use of this option requires  a  non-zero  value  for  the
   lcp-echo-interval  parameter.  This option can be used to enable
   pppd to terminate after the physical connection has been  broken
   (e.g.,  the  modem  has hung up) in situations where no hardware
   modem control lines are available.

lcp-echo-interval n
   If this option is given, pppd  will  send  an  LCP  echo-request
   frame  to  the  peer  every n seconds.  Normally the peer should
   respond to the echo-request  by  sending  an  echo-reply.   This
   option  can  be  used with the lcp-echo-failure option to detect
   that the peer is no longer connected.
"
I do not remember which configuration file would contain the above
options.  Can you do a grep in your /etc/ppp directory...we may get
lucky.

c) One could turn on debugging options to see what PPP negotiates with
the peer and see if PPP is actually sending LCP Echo packets.
Let me quote from the "man pppd" page again:
"
debug  Enables  connection  debugging  facilities.   If  this option is
   given, pppd will log the contents of all control packets sent or
   received  in  a  readable  form.  The packets are logged through
   syslog with facility daemon and level debug.   This  information
   can  be directed to a file by setting up /etc/syslog.conf appro-
   priately (see syslog.conf(5)).
"

2) PPP decides the link is idle and wishes to disconnect

The other possibility I can think of is PPP decides the connection is
idle.  Did you, at one time, use PPP for dial-up and then switch to DSL?

If so, you may still have PPP options telling PPP to disconnect after a
certain level of inactivity.  Let me quote from "man pppd":
"
demand Initiate the link only on demand,  i.e.  when  data  traffic  is
   present.  With this option, the remote IP address must be speci-
   fied by the user on the command line  or  in  an  options  file.
   Pppd will initially configure the interface and enable it for IP
   traffic without connecting to the peer.  When traffic is  avail-
   able,  pppd  will  connect  to the peer and perform negotiation,
   authentication, etc.  When this is completed, pppd will commence
   passing data packets (i.e., IP packets) across the link.

   The demand option implies the persist option.  If this behaviour
   is not desired,  use  the  nopersist  option  after  the  demand
   option.  The idle and holdoff options are also useful in conjuc-
   tion with the demand option.
"
If t

Re: epiphany blocking security updates

[Mamoru Tasaka]

Bruno Wolff III wrote, at 07/23/2009 06:38 PM +9:00:

epiphany-2.26.3-2.fc11 in koji has been built against the newer gecko-libs
but wasn't pushed to bodhi (in either updates or updates-testing). People
who have it installed are not going to get the firefox related updates
that were recently pushed to updates without manual intervention.


Fedora release engineering team is now working on this [1].

[1] https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2008

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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Kam Leo wrote:

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
  

Paul W. Frields wrote:


On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:17:39AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:

  

For the last several weeks, I have been getting "automatic"
F11 upgrade notices on my F10 system.  I do not know if
this is a feature or standard operating procedure for this sort
of thing since I have never initiated such an upgrade request
to begin with.

But then again, I thought to myself... why not?  I was getting
tired of waiting for the missing gnome `sessions save' package
which for the most part may never be released for F10.

So, when I was prompted (automatically from yum?) for F10 to
F11 upgrade, I proceeded to start the update process.  After
entering root permission, the upgrade dialog window pops
and and starting "firing away" with the upgrade process:

   "Upgrade your system"
"Preparing system for upgrade"

+ Download release info
+ Download installer images
+ Determine which packages to install
+ Download packages
+ Prepare and test upgrade
+ Ready to begin upgrade
   [Reboot Now]
+ Pressed the [Reboot Now] button
 On rebooting, it shutdown the services, rebooted,
 and grub starts kernel & runs Anaconda.
+ X11 "Finding storage devices... dialogbox pops up
+ X11 Passphrase dialog pops up.  Entered the encrypted disk
  password & checked the "This is a global passphrase" checkbox
+ X11 "Retrieving installation information for installation repo..."
  dialogbox pops up
+ "Checking dependencies in packages selected for installation..."
  & progressbar shows, takes awhile to complete...

The progressbar got 1/3 of the way, and then suddenly X11 quits
and proceeds into text mode:
=
[TIME] Starting graphical installation...
install exited abnormally [1/1]
disabling swap...
[...]
unmounting filesystems...
[...]
you may safely reboot your system
[cursor]
=

So, I had to power-cycle the PC to reboot.

Grub shows:
==
 Upgrade to Fedora 11 (Leonidas) *
 initng boot  *
 Fedora (2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686)
 Windows 2000
==
* = new additions due to the upgrade process.


I have gone through this about 5 times over the
course of several weeks, each time, resulting a
failed upgrade.  I can still boot into my F10 system,
nothing was lost or corrupted (as far as I can tell) and
the Upgrade repos still remain in the yum directories.

Can someone tell me, what is going on, why is it
that Yum repeatedly does this from time to time
due to a normal F10 boot, yum F10 updates, and
occasionally popping up the upgrade process?

Every time I think "it's gonna work this time..",
upgrades (from F10 to F11) *always* fails.



FWIW, the following page (and links) may help
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_PreUpgrade

If you can provide a more detailed bug filed against preupgrade, I
know there are some folks who would love to improve the experience of
preupgrade.  I was just talking to them last week, matter of
fact... :-)

I know problems currently exist with exotic configurations like /boot
volume on RAID, and one of the things I've suggested is to look for
these cases and then have preupgrade apologize and bail out before
doing anything else.

  

I have been at the suggested link before, tried it, and it
does not seem to change anything other than I have
cleaned up a lot of things in the F10 filesystem as
suggested.  It did not seem to change the outcomes
of the failed upgrade process as far as I can tell.

What else can I provide by way of "more details"?
Is there something I have left out?

As for filesystem layout:
=
/dev/sda2: ntfs:29.31GB/w2kPro
/dev/sda4: extd:160.61GB
/dev/sda5: ntfs:29.29GB/w-App1
/dev/sda6: ntfs:29.29GB/w-App2
/dev/sda7: ext3:196.08GB /boot
/dev/sda8: crypt-luks:101.82GB/root (lvm)

Keep in mind that the above sdaX is not sequentially
labeled due to the use of gparted and manipulation
of the partitions from a previous configuration prior
to installation for F10 at the time. Dunno if this
is a big deal or not...

As for grub:
=
# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf
# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You have a /boot partition.  This means that
#  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
#  root (hd0,6)
#  kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
#  initrd /initrd-version.img
#boot=/dev/sda
default=saved
timeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,6)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
#hiddenmenu
title Fedora (2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686)
  root (hd0,6)
  kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.25-170.2.72.fc10.i686 ro
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
  initrd /

Re: active network connection stops working...

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

charles zeitler wrote:
> using fedora11, after a while ( about 1.5 weeks on this computer )
> my network connection stops working... i was having hardware
> problems on the previous computer, so i tried different hardware...
> same problem.
> 
> messages tells me:
> 
<[SNIP]--->

> Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1972]: Can't execute /etc/ppp/ip-up:
> Permission denied
> 
<[SNIP]--->

> does this mean i don't have permission to use an internet (pppoe)
> connection?
> 
Check the permissions of /etc/ppp/ip-up. It looks like the
permissions of the file, or the SELinux context is wrong.

Also, please do not post in HTML. You should probably read the list
guidelines.

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Re: HELP

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 08:35 -0400, David West wrote:
> After Installing Fedora 11 on the hard drive I am asked to restart the
> system. When I do, it wants the original CD and it will not hold my
> information such as the client host password.
> 
> It is as if nothing stuck to the Drive. Please help.

To get useful answers, you need to explain exactly how you did the
install. From a DVD? From a LiveCD? Using preupgrade? Are you
dual-booting?

poc

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Re: HELP

[Tanel Valdna]

On 07/23/2009 05:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 08:35 -0400, David West wrote:

After Installing Fedora 11 on the hard drive I am asked to restart the
system. When I do, it wants the original CD and it will not hold my
information such as the client host password.

It is as if nothing stuck to the Drive. Please help.


To get useful answers, you need to explain exactly how you did the
install. From a DVD? From a LiveCD? Using preupgrade? Are you
dual-booting?

poc

PS Please don't post in HTML to this list.

Did you actually install the system? It seems like youa re using just 
booting to Live CD and thats it..


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Re: postfix per sender relay bounces

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:36 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I noticed an odd problem on my fresh local postfix setup (which was done
> after Pauls howto 
>  
> http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2616
> ) The Problem is: when my paranoid university mail server denied relay
> because of the wrong helo (even though I authenticate via a TLS secured
> connection), postfix happily wanted to send a bounce report. To the
> adress of the "faked" sender. So it tried to relay that bounce report to
> the university server again and -of course- failed. 
> 
> Is there a way to configure postfix to send bounces for specific senders
> back to a local queue?

I'm not entirely sure what the local queue will do but you can implement
sender checks...

# cat /etc/postfix/sender_checks
# This file must be "compiled" with "postmap"

# We get lots of spam from example3.tld, but we have somebody
# there from which we do want to hear
#someu...@example3.tld  OK
#example3.tld   REJECT

and add to smtpd_restrictions...
check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/sender_checks,

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Re: What is this .gvfs directory?

[john wendel]

On 07/23/2009 01:15 AM, Ron Yorston wrote:

Bradley  wrote:

On 07/22/2009 09:01 AM, Bradley wrote:

On 07/22/2009 07:17 AM, davide wrote:

Bradley  comcast.net>  writes:


I have my system do regular automated backups and just noticed that the
backups have been failing do to a ".gvfs" directory

there is a similar thread quite recent.
search into the archives, there is a solution (a dirty hack maybe)
for the
backup issue.

Okay, read the thread but apparently there is no solution to this
problem. Has anyone tried permanently "breaking" or disabling fuse so
that it doesn't create the directory in the first place?

Final update on this thread for me:

Well, I decided to "break" fuse by making the executables in the /bin
and /sbin directories unavailable and, guess what? The directory still
appears but with normal access rights thereby fixing my problem. All
other system operations seem to be working normally except that I have
to enter the root password for mounting temporary files systems, which
is fine since I'm the only one that uses them on my system. This will be
my workaround that works great!


According to a thread on the fedora-test list it's possible to prevent
the gvfs-fuse-daemon starting by setting an environment variable:

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 23:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:54 -0400, Christopher L Tubbs II wrote:

Can anybody tell me what this gvfs-fuse-daemon is doing mounted to a
dotfile in my home directory? (.gvfs). It's new to F9 apparently (I
never noticed it in F8, and it definitely wasn't there in F7).

Why do I need it and can I get rid of it?

You need it if you want to be able to use posix applications on all
sorts of exotic mounts. E.g editing text files on a gphoto mount, or in
a mounted archive.

To get rid of it:

GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE=1
export GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE


However, I've been unable to find out where to set that environment
variable.  Although gvfsd is run as the user logging in it doesn't
have that users environment.

Ron



Maybe /etc/profile ???

John

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yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[William Case]

Hi;

Just so you know!

I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.

The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a few
for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.
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Re: yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:50 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi;
> 
> Just so you know!
> 
> I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
> 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.
> 
> The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a few
> for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.

Worked for me (i.e. I didn't have to install all the i586 stuff). Ergo
they're being pulled in by something specific you have. Try to find out
what it is.

poc

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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Kam Leo]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> Kam Leo wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:

>> For some reason the installer is having problems with your graphics
>> card. At boot prompt type "linux xdriver=vesa". If that fails try
>> "linux text".
>>
>
> I have tried what you have suggested, i.e. to use the vesa driver.
>
> I notice that in this case, I was able to see "Checking dependencies
> in packages selected for installation..." progressbar @100%, and
> very hung.  Mouse movement is dead, keyboard, dead, everything
> I threw at it except the kitchen sink, dead. :)
>
> Now what do you suggest I do (and buying a new computer is not
> an option! ;) )?

If you have 1000+ packages the dependency check can take a long time.
How long did you wait?

Try "linux text"?

Also, check free disk space. You'll need at least 4 GB free for 1000+ packages.
Don't forget to clean out the cached packages in /var/yum.

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Re: yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[Todd Zullinger]

William Case wrote:
> I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
> 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.
>
> The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a
> few for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.

Yep, there was a problem with epiphiany in the latest updates push
that caused this.  It's being fixed in a currently running updates
push (but a push has been taking a day or so to complete recently).

https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2008

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Re: yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:50:32 -0400
William Case wrote:

> I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
> 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.
> 
> The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a few
> for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.

This computer just finished updating 15 minutes ago, it has no i586 stuff on it
at all, and still doesn't.

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Re: Adding groups to a user

[Aaron Gray]

2009/7/23 Steven W. Orr 

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/22/09 23:20, quoth Tony Nelson:
> > On 09-07-22 22:51:23, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> >
> >> Right. There's a standard for how command options should work.
> >>
> >> verb options arguments
> >>
> >> That's why we have getopt and that's why I shudder when I see people
> >> reinventing wheels.
> >
> >>From `man 3 getopt`:
> >
> > "By  default,  getopt()  permutes  the  contents  of argv as it
> > scans, so that eventually all the non-options are at the end."
> >
> > So, the default "standard" is to allow mixed options and arguments.
> >
>
> That's why it's so important to do it correctly. Performing consistency
> checking is also an important part of the job. For bash programming, I've
> actually been using the builtin getopts. If you're in C code, I'd recommend
> calling getopt with a + prefixing the first arg.
>
> The main point is that people should design their command lines using POSIX
> or
> SVR4 standards in the first place. Then the decision to use things like
> getopt
> or getopts gets a lot easier.
>
> Take a look at gcc as a classic example of how *not* to do it.
>
> gcc --help # I'm good with that.
> gcc -c # Also good. Let's make object code.


This is about where I am going to loose it !

>
> gcc -pipe # That's where you lose me. It's just a good thing they don't
> have a
>  -p, -i or a -e option. Or wait! Maybe they can't now.
>


Ah, I have lost it 

Yeah, it really, really, ought to be '--pipe' and I like a ':' or '=' before
an attached item like a filename or option.

Aaron

P.S. All these inconsistancies are a plot designed by bad programmers to
annoy both good users and good programmers alike !
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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

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Re: yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[David]

On 7/23/2009 12:10 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:50:32 -0400
> William Case wrote:
> 
>> I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
>> 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.
>>
>> The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a few
>> for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.
> 
> This computer just finished updating 15 minutes ago, it has no i586 stuff on 
> it
> at all, and still doesn't.


When Fedora 12 arrives you will no longer have to 'worry' about "i586
stuff" polluting your x86_64 system. Then it will be 'i686 stuff'.  :-)


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httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On my Fedora 7 (I know its old) I have been upgrading
my httpd.config, including adding some Includes and
RewriteCond(ENV:...).  I just noticed that after a
boot, the web server fails.  This can be corrected
with:   /etc/init.d/httpd restart
which returns OK on both the stop and start.
I note also that on boot, starting httpd reports OK.
The environment variable it uses is defined in
/etc/bashrc .

Thanks for your suggestions.

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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Misha Shnurapet wrote:
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> 
Yes. It shows as a untrusted good signature.

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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Kam Leo wrote:

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
  

Kam Leo wrote:


On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
  


  

For some reason the installer is having problems with your graphics
card. At boot prompt type "linux xdriver=vesa". If that fails try
"linux text".

  

I have tried what you have suggested, i.e. to use the vesa driver.

I notice that in this case, I was able to see "Checking dependencies
in packages selected for installation..." progressbar @100%, and
very hung.  Mouse movement is dead, keyboard, dead, everything
I threw at it except the kitchen sink, dead. :)

Now what do you suggest I do (and buying a new computer is not
an option! ;) )?



If you have 1000+ packages the dependency check can take a long time.
How long did you wait?
  

Overnight (7 hours)
There is no activity, the computer froze completely.

Try "linux text"?
  

Ok

Also, check free disk space. You'll need at least 4 GB free for 1000+ packages.
Don't forget to clean out the cached packages in /var/yum.
  

What exactly should I delete?
/var/cache/yum/* ?

Thanks!
Dan

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:25:48 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:

> On my Fedora 7 (I know its old) I have been upgrading my httpd.config,
> including adding some Includes and RewriteCond(ENV:...).  I just noticed
> that after a boot, the web server fails.  This can be corrected with:  
> /etc/init.d/httpd restart
> which returns OK on both the stop and start. I note also that on boot,
> starting httpd reports OK. The environment variable it uses is defined
> in /etc/bashrc .
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> 
> Mike.

I just examined the Rewrite log and I found that it does
not recognize the environment variable.  I have S85httpd
at levels 3 and 5.  Where do the environment variables
/etc/bashrc get set?

Thanks,
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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> Kam Leo wrote:
> What exactly should I delete?
> /var/cache/yum/* ?
> 
Use yum to clean out the packages. (man yum)
You will probably want to run "yum clean packages" or
"yum clean all".

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Re: yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[William Case]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:08 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
> > 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.
> >
> > The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a
> > few for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.
> 
> Yep, there was a problem with epiphiany in the latest updates push
> that caused this.  It's being fixed in a currently running updates
> push (but a push has been taking a day or so to complete recently).
> 
> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2008

I had to exclude  epiphany-extensions, firefox, xulrunner, and, yelp to
get my updates.

I guess yelp now uses xulrunner ??


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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Kam Leo]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:
> Hello,
> I need help finding out the root password for Fedora 10 because its not
> letting me access folders I need to access.Thanks.
>

Boot into runlevel 1.

Next time, start a new topic/message. It is not nice to hijack another topic.

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will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever
be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk?
this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed.

  currently, on my 1280x800 display gateway laptop, i need to run the
vesa driver and get only 1024x768 because, if i try to run the radeon
driver, i'll get my full resolution, and my session will last maybe
10-15 minutes before finally locking up, at which point the only
response i can get is moving the mouse around the screen verry
slowly but nothing else, requiring a power cycle.  (the vesa driver
will, of course, work perfectly for days on end.)

  it's been like this since early in the f11 test cycle, and it
depresses me to think i'll still be fighting with this when the first
cut of f12 comes out.

  what's the story on video drivers these days?  and why are they such
unmitigated trash?



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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:00:33 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:25:48 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
> 
[...]
> 
> I just examined the Rewrite log and I found that it does not recognize
> the environment variable.  I have S85httpd at levels 3 and 5.  Where do
> the environment variables /etc/bashrc get set?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike.

I just added a work around by setting the environment variable
inside httpd.config with a RewriteRule.  Since I need the
same environment variable in bash scripts, I am stuck with
defining the same variable in two places -- definitely bad
design.

Any suggestions?

Mike.



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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT)
Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   what's the story on video drivers these days?  and why are they such
> unmitigated trash?

Because they decided to invent the DRI2 layer since the original DRI
layer didn't actually work very well if you wanted to do something
like run a opengl app in a desktop that also had desktop effects
turned on, so basically everything got turned to trash due to the
obsession with getting windows to shake like they are made of
jello :-).

On my system, I can get the radeon driver to work reasonably well
if I switch the acceleration to XAA from EXA (despite the fact that
the radeon man page claims XAA is the default, it apparently isn't).

I suspect a year or two will see drivers that have reasonably
stable DIR2 implementations, though I wonder if the performance
will ever get back to where it used to be.

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system-config-display error

[Clodoaldo Pinto Neto]

Fedora 11 running as guest in a Virtual Box XP host.

# system-config-display &
[1] 2961
[r...@f1132 ~]# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 376, in 
dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo())
  File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 641,
in __init__
if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) > 1:
IndexError: index out-of-bounds

Regards, Clodoaldo

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Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Joerg Bergmann]

I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device in
fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
Any hints?

Thank you! Joerg Bergmann

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Failed to initialize error banner

[JD]

I am getting these error banner pop-ups at random:

Failed to initialize
   Failed to initialize packaging backend.
   This may occur if other packaging tools are being used simultaneously.

   More details
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py", line 2828, in 
__init__

self.repos.confirm_func = self._repo_gpg_confirm
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 646, in 


repos = property(fget=lambda self: self._getRepos(),
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 451, in 
_getRepos

self.conf # touch the config class first
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 652, in 


conf = property(fget=lambda self: self._getConfig(),
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 239, in 
_getConfig

self._conf = config.readMainConfig(startupconf)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 794, in 
readMainConfig
yumvars['releasever'] = _getsysver(startupconf.installroot, 
startupconf.distroverpkg)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yum/config.py", line 867, in 
_getsysver

idx = ts.dbMatch('provides', distroverpkg)
TypeError: rpmdb open failed



The only process I have running for yum is:
$ ps -wwef | grep yum
root  2489 1  0 10:23 pts/100:00:00 /usr/bin/python -tt 
/usr/sbin/yum-updatesd


Problem is I do not know if the yum-updatesd process is popping
up this banner or some other process. Is there some other process
besides yum-updatesd tha would pop up this banner.
I do not have any any other process(es) doing anything with
rpm or yum.

Thanx for your help.

JD
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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT)
> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> >   what's the story on video drivers these days?  and why are they such
> > unmitigated trash?
>
> Because they decided to invent the DRI2 layer since the original DRI
> layer didn't actually work very well if you wanted to do something
> like run a opengl app in a desktop that also had desktop effects
> turned on, so basically everything got turned to trash due to the
> obsession with getting windows to shake like they are made of jello
> :-).
>
> On my system, I can get the radeon driver to work reasonably well if
> I switch the acceleration to XAA from EXA (despite the fact that the
> radeon man page claims XAA is the default, it apparently isn't).

  just to establish my street cred here, i invested several hours
trying to help debug this craziness:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495208

and it's a bit maddening that all that effort produced nothing in the
way of a method that allows me to get a working configuration at full
resolution.  i'm open to ideas but, AFAICT, nothing's changed since
that bug report.

  argh.

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Julian Aloofi]

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 13:56 -0400 schrieb Robert P. J. Day:
> apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever
> be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk?
> this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed.
> 
>   currently, on my 1280x800 display gateway laptop, i need to run the
> vesa driver and get only 1024x768 because, if i try to run the radeon
> driver, i'll get my full resolution, and my session will last maybe
> 10-15 minutes before finally locking up, at which point the only
> response i can get is moving the mouse around the screen verry
> slowly but nothing else, requiring a power cycle.  (the vesa driver
> will, of course, work perfectly for days on end.)
> 
>   it's been like this since early in the f11 test cycle, and it
> depresses me to think i'll still be fighting with this when the first
> cut of f12 comes out.
> 
>   what's the story on video drivers these days?  and why are they such
> unmitigated trash?
> 
> 
> 
> rday
We had a radeon test day in the Fedora 11 test cycle:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Radeon_2009-04-01
If you had this error in the test cycle, that would've been the right
day to report it. My card works fine, by the way. If you want to get it
fixed, some information, at least your card model would be nice.
Regards,
Julian


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Re: yum objects to over 100 i586 dependencies ?

[Kevin J. Cummings]

On 07/23/2009 01:17 PM, William Case wrote:

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:08 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:

William Case wrote:

I tried to yum update the latest releases for my
2.6.29.5-191.fc11.x86_64 system.

The dependency check listed over 100 i586 files to be installed (a
few for updating).  Of course yum and I both objected.

Yep, there was a problem with epiphiany in the latest updates push
that caused this.  It's being fixed in a currently running updates
push (but a push has been taking a day or so to complete recently).

 https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2008


I had to exclude  epiphany-extensions, firefox, xulrunner, and, yelp to
get my updates.

I guess yelp now uses xulrunner ??


I had a slightly different set of dependencies.  The one update hanging 
me up was xine-lib.i586.  If I updated, it tried to drag in 34 packages 
(all i586 versions).  If I tried to delete it, it wanted to remove 9 
packages, including:  kdepim.x86_64, kdepim-libs.x86_64, and
kdepimlibs-akonadi.x86_64.  So, I chose the latter.  *Then* if I try and 
re-install kdepim.x86_64, it tries to drag all of those i586 RPMs back 
in (plus the 9 I just removed)!  *WHY?*  I decided I could do without 
kdepim


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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Julian Aloofi]

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 14:17 -0400 schrieb Robert P. J. Day:
>   just to establish my street cred here, i invested several hours
> trying to help debug this craziness:
> 
>   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495208
> 
> and it's a bit maddening that all that effort produced nothing in the
> way of a method that allows me to get a working configuration at full
> resolution.  i'm open to ideas but, AFAICT, nothing's changed since
> that bug report.
> 
>   argh.
> 
> rday
Sorry for judging too fast, good luck with the drivers then. Maybe the
proprietary ones will work better, if you're fiddling with drivers
anyway?


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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Julian Aloofi]

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200 schrieb Joerg Bergmann: 
> I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device in
> fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
> Any hints?
> 
> Thank you! Joerg Bergmann
> 
According to this web page, the driver is included in the kernel:
http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux

If this is true, you can just start
system-config-network(System->Administration->Network) and start setting
up a modem connection.
If it gets recognized as a USB stick first, try the following:
su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
su -c 'umount  /media/Movistar/'
sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410 product=0x5010'


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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT)
Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>   currently, on my 1280x800 display gateway laptop, i need to run the
> vesa driver and get only 1024x768 because, if i try to run the radeon
> driver, i'll get my full resolution, and my session will last maybe
> 10-15 minutes before finally locking up, at which point the only
> response i can get is moving the mouse around the screen verry
> slowly but nothing else, requiring a power cycle.  (the vesa driver
> will, of course, work perfectly for days on end.)

It must depend on the specific graphics card.  I have a Radeon X1950 Pro in
this machine and it works perfectly with the built-in Fedora 11 drivers.

The Radeon X1550 that I had in the computer previous to this one worked
perfectly with Fedora 10, as well.

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[JD]

On 07/23/2009 11:25 AM, Julian Aloofi wrote:

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 14:17 -0400 schrieb Robert P. J. Day:
   

   just to establish my street cred here, i invested several hours
trying to help debug this craziness:

   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495208

and it's a bit maddening that all that effort produced nothing in the
way of a method that allows me to get a working configuration at full
resolution.  i'm open to ideas but, AFAICT, nothing's changed since
that bug report.

   argh.

rday
 

Sorry for judging too fast, good luck with the drivers then. Maybe the
proprietary ones will work better, if you're fiddling with drivers
anyway?
   


I have F11 installed on my old laptop which has a radeon mobility 9600.
If I instal the vendor supplied latest driver (which has been relegated to
the legacy heap), and then I run googleEarth, the machine freezes up.
So, I have uninstalled it and am content with the driver supplied by Xorg.

It is not the fastest display driver - but at least it does not freeze up.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Joerg Bergmann]

Am 23.07.2009 20:30, schrieb Julian Aloofi:

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200 schrieb Joerg Bergmann:

I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device in
fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
Any hints?

Thank you! Joerg Bergmann


According to this web page, the driver is included in the kernel:
http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux

If this is true, you can just start
system-config-network(System->Administration->Network) and start setting
up a modem connection.
If it gets recognized as a USB stick first, try the following:
su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
su -c 'umount  /media/Movistar/'
sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410 product=0x5010'


There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there is no
/dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial reports
FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all
config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem will
be found.

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Latest 11 update changed my resolution.

[Mike Adolf]

Greetings
I just did the latest Fedora 11 update to kernel 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.185.
My screen resolution use to be 1680 x 1050 now it is 1280 x 1024 and
everything looks squashed. Preferences/Display won't let me change it.
The drop down doesn't list the 1680 x 1050. It also indicated that my
monitor is now unknown. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS.

How do I fix this?

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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Julian Aloofi]

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 21:07 +0200 schrieb Joerg Bergmann:
> There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there is no
> /dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial reports
> FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
> WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all
> config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
> And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem will
> be found.

Unplug the stick and try to follow this howto:
http://bryanche.blogspot.com/2008/05/creating-wireless-3g-network-connection.html

But skip step 1, and replace it with the following:

rmmod usbserial
modprobe -v usbserial vendor=0x1410 product=0x5010


If that doesn't work, install usb_modeswitch with yum and follow this howto:
http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/#automate


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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Joerg Bergmann  wrote:

> From: Joerg Bergmann 
> Subject: Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:07 PM
> 
> 
> Am 23.07.2009 20:30, schrieb Julian Aloofi:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200 schrieb
> Joerg Bergmann:
> >> I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device
> in
> >> fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
> >> Any hints?
> >>
> >> Thank you! Joerg Bergmann
> >>
> > According to this web page, the driver is included in
> the kernel:
> > http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux
> >
> > If this is true, you can just start
> >
> system-config-network(System->Administration->Network)
> and start setting
> > up a modem connection.
> > If it gets recognized as a USB stick first, try the
> following:
> > su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
> > su -c 'umount  /media/Movistar/'
> > sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410
> product=0x5010'
> >
> There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there is no
> /dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial reports
> FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
> WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all
> config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
> And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem will
> be found.
> 
> -- 

If you don't mind try the following (hoping wvdial was installed on your 
machine)

$ su -
passwd:
# wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf

it will scan modem ports and hopefully it might find one like /dev/ttyUSB0 ... 
/dev/ttyUSB3, or something like /dev/ttyACM0 ... /dev/ttyACM3, ..., etc

Otherwise,

unplug the device and please do the following 

$ dmesg and/or (as root su -) # tail -f /var/log/messages 

when the device is plugged back in.

Hope this helps in some way.

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: What is this .gvfs directory?

[Ron Yorston]

john wendel wrote:
>On 07/23/2009 01:15 AM, Ron Yorston wrote:
>> According to a thread on the fedora-test list it's possible to prevent
>> the gvfs-fuse-daemon starting by setting an environment variable:
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 23:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>>> To get rid of it:
>>>
>>> GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE=1
>>> export GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE
>>
>> However, I've been unable to find out where to set that environment
>> variable.  Although gvfsd is run as the user logging in it doesn't
>> have that users environment.
>
>Maybe /etc/profile ???

No, that's not it.  The environment of gvfsd doesn't have much in it.

SHELL=/bin/bash
DBUS_STARTER_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-wxBkE2MbNz,guid=be870825ff168caac4f87a554a68af49
XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=6149537b2fea289ae508adbd4a61a75f-1248374601.299195-1269933510
DISPLAY=:0.0
GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-Wh22Uj/socket
DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome
SESSION_MANAGER=local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/3159,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3159
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated
USERNAME=rmy
GDMSESSION=gnome
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-wxBkE2MbNz,guid=be870825ff168caac4f87a554a68af49
GTK_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk/gtkrc:/home/rmy/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
XAUTHORITY=/var/run/gdm/auth-for-rmy-tuokKC/database
USER=rmy
DBUS_STARTER_BUS_TYPE=session
GNOME_KEYRING_PID=3140
SHLVL=1
PWD=/home/rmy
GDM_LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
_=/usr/bin/dbus-launch
LOGNAME=rmy
HOME=/home/rmy

These settings come from things like gdm, dbus and gnome-session, which
all run early in the life of the desktop session.

Since it's possible to use an environment variable to have gvfsd not
start gvfs-fuse-daemon it would be useful to have some way to inject
that variable into gvfsd's environment.

The gnome-session README says of GSM_SESSION_PHASE_INITIALIZATION:

   Apps in this phase can make use of a D-Bus interface
   (org.gnome.SessionManager.Setenv) to set environment variables
   in gnome-session's environment. This can be used for things like
   $GTK_MODULES, $GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET, etc

This is presumably how GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET got into gvfsd's environment.
So is there a simple way to persuade gnome-session to set an environment
variable?  Or gdm, or dbus?

Ron

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/7/23 Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED :
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:25:48 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
>
>> On my Fedora 7 (I know its old) I have been upgrading my httpd.config,
>> including adding some Includes and RewriteCond(ENV:...).  I just noticed
>> that after a boot, the web server fails.  This can be corrected with:
>> /etc/init.d/httpd restart
>> which returns OK on both the stop and start. I note also that on boot,
>> starting httpd reports OK. The environment variable it uses is defined
>> in /etc/bashrc .
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>
>> Mike.
>
> I just examined the Rewrite log and I found that it does
> not recognize the environment variable.  I have S85httpd
> at levels 3 and 5.  Where do the environment variables
> /etc/bashrc get set?

I don't think they ever do.

I believe that on boot, the commands are not run as /etc/init.d/blah,
they are run as "/sbin/service start blah" - and that's why your
environment variables don't work. From 'man service':

DESCRIPTION
   service  runs  a  System V init script in as predictable environment as
   possible, removing most environment variables and with current  working
   directory set to /.

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[jdow]

From: "Robert P. J. Day" 
Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 10:56


 apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever
be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk?
this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed.

 currently, on my 1280x800 display gateway laptop, i need to run the
vesa driver and get only 1024x768 because, if i try to run the radeon
driver, i'll get my full resolution, and my session will last maybe
10-15 minutes before finally locking up, at which point the only
response i can get is moving the mouse around the screen verry
slowly but nothing else, requiring a power cycle.  (the vesa driver
will, of course, work perfectly for days on end.)

 it's been like this since early in the f11 test cycle, and it
depresses me to think i'll still be fighting with this when the first
cut of f12 comes out.

 what's the story on video drivers these days?  and why are they such
unmitigated trash?



rday


Hell no. This is X-windows. I've had drivers crashing left and right on
my old laptop since FC5 or so. And it's just been getting worse with time
not better. Now I understand why ATI drivers are crap on Windows, too.
They must play the Adaptec game, you pick your chip rev for the bugs you
are willing to work around. Over the last 5 or so years I have developed
an intense hate for ATI anything, even now that they are related to AMD.

{+_+}

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[jdow]

- Original Message - 
From: "Julian Aloofi" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 11:15
Subject: Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

We had a radeon test day in the Fedora 11 test cycle:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Radeon_2009-04-01
If you had this error in the test cycle, that would've been the right
day to report it. My card works fine, by the way. If you want to get it
fixed, some information, at least your card model would be nice.
Regards,
Julian




Julian, at some date people get so disgusted you could not get us to
run Linux squat on our machines with ATI cards. There are so many
bugs I gave up trying to report them all. I'm not a stenographer.

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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Joerg Bergmann]

Am 23.07.2009 21:27, schrieb Antonio Olivares:



--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Joerg Bergmann  wrote:


From: Joerg Bergmann
Subject: Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using 
Fedora."
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:07 PM


Am 23.07.2009 20:30, schrieb Julian Aloofi:

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200 schrieb

Joerg Bergmann:

I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device

in

fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
Any hints?

Thank you! Joerg Bergmann


According to this web page, the driver is included in

the kernel:

http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux

If this is true, you can just start


system-config-network(System->Administration->Network)
and start setting

up a modem connection.
If it gets recognized as a USB stick first, try the

following:

su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
su -c 'umount  /media/Movistar/'
sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410

product=0x5010'
There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there is no
/dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial reports
FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all
config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem will
be found.

--


If you don't mind try the following (hoping wvdial was installed on your 
machine)

$ su -
passwd:
# wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf

it will scan modem ports and hopefully it might find one like /dev/ttyUSB0 ... 
/dev/ttyUSB3, or something like /dev/ttyACM0 ... /dev/ttyACM3, ..., etc

Otherwise,

unplug the device and please do the following

$ dmesg and/or (as root su -) # tail -f /var/log/messages

when the device is plugged back in.


Did not found a modem, here is the tail of /var/log/messages:

Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using 
uhci_hcd and address 3
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device found, 
idVendor=1410, idProduct=5010
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, 
Product=2, SerialNumber=4

Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Product: Novatel Wireless HSUPA Modem
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Novatel Wireless
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: SerialNumber: 356846013538400
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage 
devices
Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROMNovatel 
Mass Storage 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2

Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr1: scsi-1 drive
Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5
Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr1: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Get 
configuration 46 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00

Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Sense Key : No Sense [current]
Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Add. Sense: No additional sense information

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 13:56:12 -0400,
  "Robert P. J. Day"  wrote:
> 
>   apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever
> be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk?
> this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed.
 
>   it's been like this since early in the f11 test cycle, and it
> depresses me to think i'll still be fighting with this when the first
> cut of f12 comes out.

Thinks have been screwed up for longer than that. I started seeing regressions
more in the F8 era. And there have been real issues since KMS started in
earnest. My hope was that things would be in shape by the release of F12,
but I am not too confident of that now, but it could still happen.

>   what's the story on video drivers these days?  and why are they such
> unmitigated trash?

There is still infrastructure development going on. Airlie just posted another
update on things he has been working on within the last day. Phoronix
also has lots of news tidbits on video driver / X related stuff.

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Re: for kernel newbies on fedora

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>  after which i will discover salt, and invent FM radio.

No need to invent FM radio. Openradio project already is already
working on the driver for one of the devices I need. The Echotek
gc314. Its too complicated to easily follow however. I was hoping for
something simplier. Perhaps you know if there is an existing driver
effort underway for the ADLink PCIe-7300A card? Somthing else I need
to port from qnx6 to a linux kernel module..but far far less
configuration options than the echoteck gc314.

-jef

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Re: system-config-display error

[Kam Leo]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Clodoaldo Pinto
Neto wrote:
> Fedora 11 running as guest in a Virtual Box XP host.
>
> # system-config-display &
> [1] 2961
> [r...@f1132 ~]# Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 376, in 
>    dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig,
> rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo())
>  File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py", line 641,
> in __init__
>    if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) > 1:
> IndexError: index out-of-bounds
>
> Regards, Clodoaldo

Why are you running system-config-display as a background task?

Run  "system-config-display -h" to find out how to properly use the command.

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:38:45 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:

[...]
>> I just examined the Rewrite log and I found that it does not recognize
>> the environment variable.  I have S85httpd at levels 3 and 5.  Where do
>> the environment variables /etc/bashrc get set?
> 
> I don't think they ever do.
> 
> I believe that on boot, the commands are not run as /etc/init.d/blah,
> they are run as "/sbin/service start blah" - and that's why your
> environment variables don't work. From 'man service':
> 
> DESCRIPTION
>service  runs  a  System V init script in as predictable
>environment as possible, removing most environment variables and
>with current  working directory set to /.
> 
> --
> Sam

Then I could imagine adding to .bashrc some lines that
scan httpd.config for RewriteRule lines that set environment
variables and export them from .bashrc .  Seems like a
hard way to do things.  Any better suggestions?

Thanks,
Mike.


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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Joerg Bergmann]

Am 23.07.2009 21:58, schrieb Joerg Bergmann:



Am 23.07.2009 21:27, schrieb Antonio Olivares:



--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Joerg Bergmann wrote:


From: Joerg Bergmann
Subject: Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
Fedora."
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:07 PM


Am 23.07.2009 20:30, schrieb Julian Aloofi:

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200 schrieb

Joerg Bergmann:

I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device

in

fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
Any hints?

Thank you! Joerg Bergmann


According to this web page, the driver is included in

the kernel:

http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux


If this is true, you can just start


system-config-network(System->Administration->Network)
and start setting

up a modem connection.
If it gets recognized as a USB stick first, try the

following:

su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
su -c 'umount /media/Movistar/'
sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410

product=0x5010'
There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there is no
/dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial reports
FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all
config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem will
be found.

--


If you don't mind try the following (hoping wvdial was installed on
your machine)

$ su -
passwd:
# wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf

it will scan modem ports and hopefully it might find one like
/dev/ttyUSB0 ... /dev/ttyUSB3, or something like /dev/ttyACM0 ...
/dev/ttyACM3, ..., etc

Otherwise,

unplug the device and please do the following

$ dmesg and/or (as root su -) # tail -f /var/log/messages

when the device is plugged back in.


Did not found a modem, here is the tail of /var/log/messages:

Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using
uhci_hcd and address 3
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device found,
idVendor=1410, idProduct=5010
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1,
Product=2, SerialNumber=4
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Product: Novatel Wireless HSUPA Modem
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Novatel Wireless
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: SerialNumber: 356846013538400
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage
devices
Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROM Novatel Mass Storage
1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr1: scsi-1 drive
Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5
Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr1: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Get
configuration 46 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00
Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Sense Key : No Sense [current]
Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Add. Sense: No additional sense information


After having installing usb_modeswitch, there are some changes,
but still no success:

Jul 23 22:21:54 T40 pulseaudio[2263]: pid.c: Daemon already running.
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using 
uhci_hcd and address 2
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device found, 
idVendor=1410, idProduct=5010
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, 
Product=2, SerialNumber=4

Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Product: Novatel Wireless HSUPA Modem
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Novatel Wireless
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: SerialNumber: 356846013538400
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage 
devices
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
usb-storage

Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
usbserial

Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: USB Serial support registered for generic
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
usbserial_generic

Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbserial: USB Serial Driver core
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: USB Serial support registered for GSM modem 
(1-port)

Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver option
Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: option: v0.7.2:USB Driver for GSM modems
Jul 23 22:22:39 T40 kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROMNovatel 
Mass Storage 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2

Jul 23 22:22:39 T40 kernel: sr1: scsi-1 drive
Jul 23 22:22:39 T40 kernel: sr 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5
Jul 23 22:22:43 T40 kernel: sr1: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Get 
configuration 46 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00

Jul 23 22:22:43 T40 kernel: sr: Sense Key : No Sense [current]
Jul 23 22:22:43 T40 kernel: sr: Add. Sense: No additional sense informati

Solution?? Re: Firefox complains while running, occasionally locks system at start

[stan]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:52:16 -0700
stan  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If I run Firefox 3.5 on F11 x86_64 from a terminal as
> /usr/bin/firefox &
> the following messages come up on the terminal continuously:
> 
> (firefox:20872): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_weak_unref:
> couldn't find weak ref 0x3edb469920(0x7f599462e1e0)
> 
> (firefox:20872): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_weak_unref:
> couldn't find weak ref 0x3edb469920(0x7f5993982fa0)
> 
> Occasionally, while starting, it locks the system completely.
> 
> Bug in glibc? gtk? firefox?

After compiling the source rpm for the kernel with a drastically
reduced .config (one that is customized for my system), this no longer
occurs.  So there is something in one of the configuration options I
removed that was causing this.  Probably removed a couple of dozen or
more, so no way to tell which (one or more) it is.  2.6.29-213

Hope this gives anyone else having this problem a potential solution.

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/7/23 Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED :
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:38:45 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
>
> [...]
>>> I just examined the Rewrite log and I found that it does not recognize
>>> the environment variable.  I have S85httpd at levels 3 and 5.  Where do
>>> the environment variables /etc/bashrc get set?
>>
>> I don't think they ever do.
>>
>> I believe that on boot, the commands are not run as /etc/init.d/blah,
>> they are run as "/sbin/service start blah" - and that's why your
>> environment variables don't work. From 'man service':
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>>        service  runs  a  System V init script in as predictable
>>        environment as possible, removing most environment variables and
>>        with current  working directory set to /.
>>
>> --
>> Sam
>
> Then I could imagine adding to .bashrc some lines that
> scan httpd.config for RewriteRule lines that set environment
> variables and export them from .bashrc .  Seems like a
> hard way to do things.  Any better suggestions?

If you look at /etc/init.d/httpd, you will see:

if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/httpd ]; then
. /etc/sysconfig/httpd
fi

So the initialisation script sources that file. If you want to set
Environment variables that are available when Apache starts, it would
make sense to try adding those variables to /etc/sysconfig/httpd - it
might do what you want for minimal effort...

-- 
Sam

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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Julian Aloofi]

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 22:33 +0200 schrieb Joerg Bergmann:
> 
> Am 23.07.2009 21:58, schrieb Joerg Bergmann:
> >
> >
> > Am 23.07.2009 21:27, schrieb Antonio Olivares:
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Joerg Bergmann wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Joerg Bergmann
> >>> Subject: Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11
> >>> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
> >>> Fedora."
> >>> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:07 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 23.07.2009 20:30, schrieb Julian Aloofi:
>  Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200 schrieb
> >>> Joerg Bergmann:
> > I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G device
> >>> in
> > fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as 1410:5010.
> > Any hints?
> >
> > Thank you! Joerg Bergmann
> >
>  According to this web page, the driver is included in
> >>> the kernel:
>  http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux
> 
> 
>  If this is true, you can just start
> 
> >>> system-config-network(System->Administration->Network)
> >>> and start setting
>  up a modem connection.
>  If it gets recognized as a USB stick first, try the
> >>> following:
>  su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
>  su -c 'umount /media/Movistar/'
>  sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410
> >>> product=0x5010'
> >>> There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there is no
> >>> /dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial reports
> >>> FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
> >>> WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all
> >>> config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
> >>> And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem will
> >>> be found.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>
> >> If you don't mind try the following (hoping wvdial was installed on
> >> your machine)
> >>
> >> $ su -
> >> passwd:
> >> # wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
> >>
> >> it will scan modem ports and hopefully it might find one like
> >> /dev/ttyUSB0 ... /dev/ttyUSB3, or something like /dev/ttyACM0 ...
> >> /dev/ttyACM3, ..., etc
> >>
> >> Otherwise,
> >>
> >> unplug the device and please do the following
> >>
> >> $ dmesg and/or (as root su -) # tail -f /var/log/messages
> >>
> >> when the device is plugged back in.
> >>
> > Did not found a modem, here is the tail of /var/log/messages:
> >
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using
> > uhci_hcd and address 3
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device found,
> > idVendor=1410, idProduct=5010
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1,
> > Product=2, SerialNumber=4
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Product: Novatel Wireless HSUPA Modem
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Novatel Wireless
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: SerialNumber: 356846013538400
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> > Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage
> > devices
> > Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROM Novatel Mass Storage
> > 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
> > Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr1: scsi-1 drive
> > Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 5
> > Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr1: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Get
> > configuration 46 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00
> > Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Sense Key : No Sense [current]
> > Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Add. Sense: No additional sense information
> >
> After having installing usb_modeswitch, there are some changes,
> but still no success:
> 
> Jul 23 22:21:54 T40 pulseaudio[2263]: pid.c: Daemon already running.
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using 
> uhci_hcd and address 2
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device found, 
> idVendor=1410, idProduct=5010
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, 
> Product=2, SerialNumber=4
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Product: Novatel Wireless HSUPA Modem
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Novatel Wireless
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: SerialNumber: 356846013538400
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage 
> devices
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
> usb-storage
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
> usbserial
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: USB Serial support registered for generic
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
> usbserial_generic
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbserial: USB Serial Driver core
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: USB Serial support registered for GSM modem 
> (1-port)
> Jul 23 22:22:34 T40 kernel: usbcore: re

pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[jack craig]

Hi Fedora list,

today i did an update and am left with, ...

pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-libs-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-utils-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.20-2.fc11.i586
pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.15-14.fc11.i586

however, this code is barfing on throttle control, as i see, ...

pulseaudio[2948]: alsa-source.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 355.99 ms
pulseaudio[2948]: alsa-source.c: Increasing minimal latency to 371.52 ms
pulseaudio[2948]: alsa-source.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 361.50 ms
pulseaudio[2948]: alsa-source.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 361.52 ms
pulseaudio[2948]: ratelimit.c: 8285 events suppressed
pulseaudio[2948]: ratelimit.c: 6544 events suppressed
pulseaudio[2948]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing minimal latency to 66.00 ms
pulseaudio[2948]: ratelimit.c: 2479 events suppressed
pulseaudio[2948]: ratelimit.c: 2799 events suppressed
pulseaudio[2948]: ratelimit.c: 3218 events suppressed
pulseaudio[2948]: alsa-sink.c: Increasing wakeup watermark to 55.99 ms

the cpu use goes through the roof and my audio stream dies.

anyone got a fix to offer? tia, jackc...

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Re: Latest 11 update changed my resolution.[SOLVED]

[Mike Adolf]

Googled until I found reference to command 
system-config-display --reconfig

Ran it, located my Dell terminal type. It displayed the correct video
card. After quitting the app, I logged out. When I logged in again, the
resolution was fixed.

Shouldn't have to do this after an update.

Mike

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 13:19 -0600, Mike Adolf wrote:
> Greetings
> I just did the latest Fedora 11 update to kernel 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.185.
> My screen resolution use to be 1680 x 1050 now it is 1280 x 1024 and
> everything looks squashed. Preferences/Display won't let me change it.
> The drop down doesn't list the 1680 x 1050. It also indicated that my
> monitor is now unknown. I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS.
> 
> How do I fix this?
> 
> Mike
> 




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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:

[...]
> 
> If you look at /etc/init.d/httpd, you will see:
> 
> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/httpd ]; then
> . /etc/sysconfig/httpd
> fi
> 
> So the initialisation script sources that file. If you want to set
> Environment variables that are available when Apache starts, it would
> make sense to try adding those variables to /etc/sysconfig/httpd - it
> might do what you want for minimal effort...
> 
> --
> Sam

If that would work, then I could just as well export
the variable from /etc/init.d/httpd .  I just tried
that and the web server started, but the variable
was not available in the bash shell, so I am still
stuck with setting it in two places.

Mike.

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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:

Kam Leo wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Daniel B. Thurman 
wrote:
 

Kam Leo wrote:
   
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman 
wrote:
  


 

For some reason the installer is having problems with your graphics
card. At boot prompt type "linux xdriver=vesa". If that fails try
"linux text".

  

I have tried what you have suggested, i.e. to use the vesa driver.

I notice that in this case, I was able to see "Checking dependencies
in packages selected for installation..." progressbar @100%, and
very hung.  Mouse movement is dead, keyboard, dead, everything
I threw at it except the kitchen sink, dead. :)

Now what do you suggest I do (and buying a new computer is not
an option! ;) )?



If you have 1000+ packages the dependency check can take a long time.
How long did you wait?
  

Overnight (7 hours)
There is no activity, the computer froze completely.

Try "linux text"?
  

Ok

Ok, I tried the text mode (using net-install CD), and
I get the same failure as with the preupgrade program.

The net-install CD does not update grub with the boot
code whereas preupgrade does. The net-install CD appears
to have affected my F-10 yum repos when running in F10,
as yum now updates as F11, yet fails to complete due
to an older (F10) packagekit conflict.  I have a feeling
that my F10 yum/rpm is now hosed. I am still able to
run as F10.

So far as upgrades go, it does not worked for my
(old) computer.  I have wasted 2-3 weeks over upgrades
and doing a fresh install would have been much faster,
or so it seems.

Also, check free disk space. You'll need at least 4 GB free for 1000+ 
packages.

Don't forget to clean out the cached packages in /var/yum.
  

What exactly should I delete?
/var/cache/yum/* ?

Thanks!
Dan



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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
> 
> [...]
>> If you look at /etc/init.d/httpd, you will see:
>>
>> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/httpd ]; then
>> . /etc/sysconfig/httpd
>> fi
>>
>> So the initialisation script sources that file. If you want to set
>> Environment variables that are available when Apache starts, it would
>> make sense to try adding those variables to /etc/sysconfig/httpd - it
>> might do what you want for minimal effort...
>>
> 
> If that would work, then I could just as well export
> the variable from /etc/init.d/httpd .  I just tried
> that and the web server started, but the variable
> was not available in the bash shell, so I am still
> stuck with setting it in two places.
> 
What does /etc/sysconfig/httpd look like? Is it possible that you
are using the wrong format? You do not really want to change the
/etc/init.d/httpd scipt, as an update will probably kill the changes.

Mikkel
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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:40:50 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

> Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>>> If you look at /etc/init.d/httpd, you will see:
>>>
>>> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/httpd ]; then
>>> . /etc/sysconfig/httpd
>>> fi
>>>
>>> So the initialisation script sources that file. If you want to set
>>> Environment variables that are available when Apache starts, it would
>>> make sense to try adding those variables to /etc/sysconfig/httpd - it
>>> might do what you want for minimal effort...
>>>
>>>
>> If that would work, then I could just as well export the variable from
>> /etc/init.d/httpd .  I just tried that and the web server started, but
>> the variable was not available in the bash shell, so I am still stuck
>> with setting it in two places.
>> 
> What does /etc/sysconfig/httpd look like? Is it possible that you are
> using the wrong format? You do not really want to change the
> /etc/init.d/httpd scipt, as an update will probably kill the changes.
> 
> Mikkel
[...]

It is only comments, but in any case, as mentioned above,
it will not meet the requirement of having the variable
defined in exactly one place.

Mike.

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Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Joerg Bergmann  wrote:

> From: Joerg Bergmann 
> Subject: Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora 11
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:58 PM
> 
> 
> Am 23.07.2009 21:27, schrieb Antonio Olivares:
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Joerg Bergmann 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Joerg Bergmann
> >> Subject: Re: Novatel MC950D 3G-device in fedora
> 11
> >> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and
> advice for using Fedora."
> >> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:07 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 23.07.2009 20:30, schrieb Julian Aloofi:
> >>> Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:16 +0200
> schrieb
> >> Joerg Bergmann:
>  I try to get running a novatel MC950D 3G
> device
> >> in
>  fedora 11. lsusb shows vedor/device as
> 1410:5010.
>  Any hints?
> 
>  Thank you! Joerg Bergmann
> 
> >>> According to this web page, the driver is
> included in
> >> the kernel:
> >>> http://www.ubuntudoctor.com/content/blog/3g-modem-installation-on-ubuntu-linux
> >>>
> >>> If this is true, you can just start
> >>>
> >>
> system-config-network(System->Administration->Network)
> >> and start setting
> >>> up a modem connection.
> >>> If it gets recognized as a USB stick first,
> try the
> >> following:
> >>> su -c 'modprobe -r usbserial'
> >>> su -c 'umount  /media/Movistar/'
> >>> sudo -c 'modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410
> >> product=0x5010'
> >> There won't be recognized a USB stick, but there
> is no
> >> /dev/ttyUSBx as well. modprobe -r usbserial
> reports
> >> FATAL: usbserial in use. And, additional:
> >> WARNING: Deprecated config file
> /etc/modprobe.conf, all
> >> config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/
> >> And, on the creation of modem connection, no modem
> will
> >> be found.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > If you don't mind try the following (hoping wvdial was
> installed on your machine)
> >
> > $ su -
> > passwd:
> > # wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
> >
> > it will scan modem ports and hopefully it might find
> one like /dev/ttyUSB0 ... /dev/ttyUSB3, or something like
> /dev/ttyACM0 ... /dev/ttyACM3, ..., etc
> >
> > Otherwise,
> >
> > unplug the device and please do the following
> >
> > $ dmesg and/or (as root su -) # tail -f
> /var/log/messages
> >
> > when the device is plugged back in.
> >
> Did not found a modem, here is the tail of
> /var/log/messages:
> 
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB
> device using 
> uhci_hcd and address 3
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device found,
> 
> idVendor=1410, idProduct=5010
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: New USB device
> strings: Mfr=1, 
> Product=2, SerialNumber=4
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Product: Novatel
> Wireless HSUPA Modem
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Novatel
> Wireless
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: SerialNumber:
> 356846013538400
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1
> chosen from 1 choice
> Jul 23 21:51:50 T40 kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB
> Mass Storage 
> devices
> Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: scsi 3:0:0:0: CD-ROM 
>           Novatel 
> Mass Storage     1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
> Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr1: scsi-1 drive
> Jul 23 21:51:55 T40 kernel: sr 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi
> generic sg2 type 5
> Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr1: CDROM (ioctl) error,
> command: Get 
> configuration 46 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00
> Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Sense Key : No Sense
> [current]
> Jul 23 21:51:59 T40 kernel: sr: Add. Sense: No additional
> sense information
> 
> -- 

Now, you can try the information posted by another user here if you have not 
done so:

http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg47647.html

I have found ways to work with USB devices, but there are some harder to deal 
with.  Hope you can get it working :)

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> From: Bruno Wolff III 
> Subject: Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
> To: "Robert P. J. Day" 
> Cc: "Fedora List" 
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:08 PM
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 13:56:12
> -0400,
>   "Robert P. J. Day" 
> wrote:
> > 
> >   apologies for the unduly harsh tone
> but, seriously, will there ever
> > be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't
> complete junk?
> > this has been going on for some time now, and
> nothing's changed.
>  
> >   it's been like this since early in
> the f11 test cycle, and it
> > depresses me to think i'll still be fighting with this
> when the first
> > cut of f12 comes out.
> 
> Thinks have been screwed up for longer than that. I started
> seeing regressions
> more in the F8 era. And there have been real issues since
> KMS started in
> earnest. My hope was that things would be in shape by the
> release of F12,
> but I am not too confident of that now, but it could still
> happen.
> 
> >   what's the story on video drivers
> these days?  and why are they such
> > unmitigated trash?
> 
> There is still infrastructure development going on. Airlie
> just posted another
> update on things he has been working on within the last
> day. Phoronix
> also has lots of news tidbits on video driver / X related
> stuff.
> 
> -- 

Plsyling s bit of Devils Advocate here, :(

Now that Micro$oft has released code for certain drivers, things shall improve 
right?

But coming back to reality, I second Robert's troubles.  Had a bad time with an 
ATI radeon integrated video with pre Fedora 11 Testing.  Machine froze hung and 
just before Fedora 11 was released it died :(, the hated nvidia cards supported 
somewhat better with noveaux and the much more hated NVIDIA official drivers 
work much better but are not FREE like most will want them :(, but for me they 
are the ones that give less problems and less headaches than these ATI ones :(

Regards,

Antonio  


  

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:40:50 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> 
>> What does /etc/sysconfig/httpd look like? Is it possible that you are
>> using the wrong format? You do not really want to change the
>> /etc/init.d/httpd scipt, as an update will probably kill the changes.
>>
> 
> It is only comments, but in any case, as mentioned above,
> it will not meet the requirement of having the variable
> defined in exactly one place.
> 
This is true. But trying to put it in .bashrc does not do that
either. I am not sure that putting it in .bashrc would work. I
believe that setting environmental variables is what
/etc/sysconfig/httpd is for.

Mikkel
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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Tony Nelson]

On 09-07-23 17:40:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
 ...
> > If that would work, then I could just as well export
> > the variable from /etc/init.d/httpd .  I just tried
> > that and the web server started, but the variable
> > was not available in the bash shell, so I am still
> > stuck with setting it in two places.
> > 
> What does /etc/sysconfig/httpd look like? Is it possible that you
> are using the wrong format? You do not really want to change the
> /etc/init.d/httpd scipt, as an update will probably kill the changes.

That's not what he's up to.  He wants an environment variable that is 
used to set up httpd and is also available to other shells, and can't 
find just one place to set it.

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:04:08 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Ah - now I understand. He could always sounds /etc/sysconfig/httpd from
>> the config for the shell. If he wants it for all users, then two small
>> scripts in /etc/profile.d for sh and c type shells. (http.sh and
>> http.sch maybe?)
>> 
>> I would borrow the code from /etc/httpd...
>> 
>> Mikkel
>> 
> Oops - from /etc/init.d/httpd

I don't understand what you are suggesting.  If
instead of "sounds" you write "scan", you might
mean what I suggested earlier on this thread.
I hoped there would be a better way. BTW, I need
only the bash shell.

Mike.

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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Kevin J. Cummings wrote:

On 07/23/2009 05:30 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:

Ok, I tried the text mode (using net-install CD), and
I get the same failure as with the preupgrade program.

The net-install CD does not update grub with the boot
code whereas preupgrade does. The net-install CD appears
to have affected my F-10 yum repos when running in F10,
as yum now updates as F11, yet fails to complete due
to an older (F10) packagekit conflict. I have a feeling
that my F10 yum/rpm is now hosed. I am still able to
run as F10.

So far as upgrades go, it does not worked for my
(old) computer. I have wasted 2-3 weeks over upgrades
and doing a fresh install would have been much faster,
or so it seems.

Dan, I've just finished 2 upgrades and a clean install.
And I have 3 different stories.

{snip!}

More input as I stumble across it!

OMG!  Sounds more like horror stories and it seems to be
all the more reasons move towards a clean install, instead
of an upgrade.  Thanks for sharing that - I guess it seems that
upgrades are not for the faint of heart.

I have not invested a lot of time with F10 (other than installing
and updating it [and upgrades, I might add...]) due to the fact I
*really* wanted the "gnome session save" working on F10,
which will probably never see the light of day.

My computer with F10 installed is a PIII 256cache, w/ 512MB
RAM, Nvidia TNT, has >50GB of freespace and sadly, I was not
able to do an upgrade.  It really bombs out. This F10 as I showed
earlier, is disk encrypted, is LVM, otherwise might be the real
problem why upgrades will not work.  I have no clue. No
breadcrumbs to follow as to why it fails.

I also have an old system w/P3x2, w/256MB RIMM and I discovered
quickly that I could only install up to F9.  F10 apparently requires
at least 512MB RAM in order to run off the CD install. It never had
a chance, in hell even ;)

Thanks for sharing!
Dan

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Re: Firefox display of LinkedIn slow on Fedora 10

[Bill Davidsen]

Michael Eager wrote:

Hi --

When I try to open a page on LinkedIn in Firefox or
Konqueror, it takes forever to display.  Often, the
session times out before the page is shown.  I have
not noticed any other sites which have similar problems.

A Google search shows that a number of people have encountered
similar problems.  There were conjectures that the problem
has to do with routers or network settings.  There are a few
suggestions to reduce the TCP MTU size, and some people
claimed this fixed their problem.  When I followed these
suggestions, it doesn't improve display of LinkedIn pages,
but it did screw up display of other sites.

On a Windows XP system running under VMware on the same
hardware, Firefox displays LinkedIn pages with no delay.

Since the network connection and router is the same,
it's not a problem with the physical hardware.  Since
the same problem appears on both Firefox and Konqueror,
it's not a problem with the browser display engine.

Anyone have a suggestion how to eliminate this annoyance?

MTU sounds good, the usual "real cause" is some router not passing or honoring 
the "can't fragment" ICMP. If you are running from a VM, behind a tunnel, etc, 
etc, this might be your problem, and since there's a simple solution it's worth 
a try.


Look at the "mss M" section of the "man route" output, and it explains this 
better. Using the route command you can set a route to the problem site, via 
your default router, and only for that route use a smaller MTU. So "mss 1400" 
would be part of the command line.


I learned that so long ago I can't remember details, but the capability is 
there. Let us know if it helps.


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Re: Setting up OpenVPN semi-manually

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Friday 24 July 2009 00:24:20 Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
> It turns out that nothing I could do in NM was
> going to be useful, because NM runs too late, no matter how many "start
> this at boot" boxes I click, it doesn't, so all the things I want to do
> using the tunnel fail.

I would never suggest using NM if you need network access without being logged 
in. Better set up the old network service, it is still there, and works as 
reliably as always. AFAIK, NM still doesn't provide network access until a 
user logs in (please correct me if it does).

That said, I have never had any problems setting up OpenVPN using the network 
service. NM is mainly targeted for laptops, and those typically need network 
access only when a user is present, and OpenVPN also rarely comes into play 
for laptops.

Just my 2 cents. ;-)

Best, :-)
Marko


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Re: active network connection stops working...

[charles zeitler]

thank you for your reply.a lot to digest

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Rick Sewill  wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 02:18 -0500, charles zeitler wrote:
>
>
> I could be way off base.  I haven't used ppp in years.
>
> My instinct is there are a number of possibilities why the link would go
> down.  The following are a few I can think of:
> 1) PPP decides the peer is dead
> 2) PPP decides the link is idle and wishes to disconnect
>
> Let me talk about these two possibilites.
>
> 1) PPP decides the peer is dead
>

would not pppoe re-establish itself later, say after reboot & trying a
different peer?

>
>
>
> 2) PPP decides the link is idle and wishes to disconnect


the "connection" still shows "active", but there is no dns resolution...

>
>
> -Rick
>
> charles zeitler


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Re: active network connection stops working...

[charles zeitler]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
 wrote:
>
> charles zeitler wrote:
> > using fedora11, after a while ( about 1.5 weeks on this computer )
> > my network connection stops working... i was having hardware
> > problems on the previous computer, so i tried different hardware...
> > same problem.
> >
> > messages tells me:
> >
> <[SNIP]--->
>
> > Jul 22 22:29:01 cthuga pppd[1972]: Can't execute /etc/ppp/ip-up:
> > Permission denied
> >
> <[SNIP]--->
>
> > does this mean i don't have permission to use an internet (pppoe)
> > connection?
> >
> Check the permissions of /etc/ppp/ip-up. It looks like the
> permissions of the file, or the SELinux context is wrong.

the permisions seem right, but i don't know what to compare
context with...
>
>
> Also, please do not post in HTML. You should probably read the list
> guidelines.

aw geez i didn't realize i was sending html, just found the 'plain
text' button...
>
>
> Guidelines:
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>
> Mikkel
> --
>
>  Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
>
>
> --charles zeitler



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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:48:44 jdow wrote:
> From: "Robert P. J. Day" 
> Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 10:56
>
> >  apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever
> > be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk?
> > this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed.
>
> Hell no. This is X-windows. I've had drivers crashing left and right on
> my old laptop since FC5 or so. And it's just been getting worse with time
> not better. Now I understand why ATI drivers are crap on Windows, too.
> They must play the Adaptec game, you pick your chip rev for the bugs you
> are willing to work around. Over the last 5 or so years I have developed
> an intense hate for ATI anything, even now that they are related to AMD.

+1

It seems that radeon driver works for some cards (typically old/low-end ones), 
but in general it is basically a complete gamble. Proprietary ATI drivers Just 
Don't Work (tm). And it's been like that since I got my first ATI card (at the 
time of FC2).

The situation is really sad --- ATI claim to support open source, yet they 
release the code only for obsolete cards. Intel cards are open source, but 
that still doesn't mean that bugs get fixed, and the driver is extremely 
unstable. This leaves us with nVidia --- yum install akmod-nvidia and 
everything Just Works. Yes, it's closed source, but it works, contrary to both 
ATI and Intel.

I really don't understand why so many people hate nVidia. It has good support, 
they demonstrated very good cooperation with KDE4 developers recently, the 
driver works with both high- and low-end cards... Yes, it is closed source, 
but so is ATI (except for the old X-family cards). And people at nVidia are at 
least honest about not giving the source.

If you want a high-end graphics card to do 
3D/gaming/googleearth/Compiz/whatever, nVidia (with binary drivers) is 
basically the only choice. ATI drivers don't work with 3D, open-source radeon 
driver doesn't support HD cards, and Intel just doesn't have high-end graphics 
cards.

I know, nVidia also had its bad moments, but on large timescale they 
demonstrate stability. ATI has never demonstrated any. I'll never buy ATI 
graphics card again.

Best, :-)
Marko


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Re: F10 automatic F10 upgrades to F11?

[Kevin J. Cummings]

On 07/23/2009 05:30 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:

Ok, I tried the text mode (using net-install CD), and
I get the same failure as with the preupgrade program.

The net-install CD does not update grub with the boot
code whereas preupgrade does. The net-install CD appears
to have affected my F-10 yum repos when running in F10,
as yum now updates as F11, yet fails to complete due
to an older (F10) packagekit conflict. I have a feeling
that my F10 yum/rpm is now hosed. I am still able to
run as F10.

So far as upgrades go, it does not worked for my
(old) computer. I have wasted 2-3 weeks over upgrades
and doing a fresh install would have been much faster,
or so it seems.


Dan, I've just finished 2 upgrades and a clean install.  And I have 3 
different stories.


Chronologically:

1) Dell Dimension 3000:  fresh install.

Could not use the F11 install DVD.Anaconda errors out.

Could use the F10 install DVD, so I installed F10.
I could then use preupgrade to upgrade to F11.
The only problem I had was that the sound card output
was selected to the wrong device.  Resetting it fixed my sound.
The video card is an old nVidia TNT card and works well enough
with the free drivers for basic video.

2) AMD 2600+ ABIT server:  Upgrade from F8  (This is my main home server!)

I tried to go F8->F11 with preupgrade.
Once again, anaconda bombed after downloading all the packages.

I ran into a number of separate problems:

a)  Not enough disk space (/usr needed 770MB, and I didn't
have it!), I had to buy a new disk, copied the
partitions over to new larger ones, and tried again

	b)  preupgrade insisted on changing my disk LABELs into UUIDs in grub. 
 I spent lots of time figuring out the new UUIDs for fstab.
I still have 2 partitions to copy over (from a 3rd drive) before I can 
reuse the old (larger) disk.


c)  preupgrade botched the finding of the /boot stuff
(to be fair, the old config had a .boot partition,
the new one didn't)  I fixed it by hand and then ran
into:

d)  anaconda still failed to find the previous install.

e)  I tried the F11 install DVD, and it failed as well.

f)  I then tried the F10 DVD, and it also failed my upgrade.

I finally fixed all this by preupgrading to F10 instead of F11.
This worked!  (go figure!)  The install finished.

	I am now tracking down a number of smaller problems (after finding and 
updating some not-so-common RPMs I had been using).  I ended up adding 
the city-fan repo for some of my perl/email stuff.


After updating sendmail-milter-spf, spf-milter won't start.
It dies with an error message (see my previous email on the subject).

NFS is not working right.  I can access the partitions locally,
but across NFS they cause a hang in the "D" state (according to top) and 
never return.  This worked just fine under F8.  This is haging up my use 
of dosbox and autofs to the server.


	Cups was "turned off" after the upgrade.  I had to "chkconfig --add 
cups" to get it to work again.  Oh yeah, a cups update came through soon 
after, and I had to re-enable it again


	the updates repo was disabled.  (Is this related to the updates-newkey 
stuff?)  I had to re-enable it by hand in order to start the updates 
flowing.  Along with this, I had atrpms disabled (because Axel deleted 
his F8 repo after F8 was EOLed), so I had to re-enable by hand and 
update the atrpms stuff after I figured that out.


	Clamav-milter did not work right away, but this may be related to the 
updates repo problem.  After I updated, it started to work.


	The nvidia-96xx stuff did not get updated.  I got those from rpmfusion. 
 I ended up removing those old RPMs after the install and installing 
and enabling the nouveau driver.  Since I have a GeForce-6200 video card 
that I use with MythTV, I may end up re-installing the nVidia drivers 
later to be able to use the Xvmc stuff (I haven't looked at it yet!)


	I tripped over the mpg123/mpg321 endless loop of obsoletes on every 
update until I excluded one of them from ever updating again.

(grumble, grumble, grumble!)

3) I upgraded my F9.x86_64 laptop.  The plan was to go to Rawhide.

	preupgrade downloaded all the files, and the subsequent reboot failed 
with the same anaconda failure as my previous uses of preupgrade.


However, I was able to use preupgrade to install F11.

	This worked remarkably well (OK, I ran across one very *slow* file 
about 10% of the way in, and rebooted the machine and started preupgrade 
again.  This time it finished.)  2255 RPMs got upgraded across 3 RPM 
repos (Fedora/Updates, RPMFusion, and ATRPMs).


Only minor problems that were easily fixed:

	fglrx was never upgraded.  However, the radeon driver (finally) seems 
to be working well for me.  I haven tried MythTV with it yet, 

Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Tony Nelson wrote:
> On 09-07-23 17:40:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
>  ...
>>> If that would work, then I could just as well export
>>> the variable from /etc/init.d/httpd .  I just tried
>>> that and the web server started, but the variable
>>> was not available in the bash shell, so I am still
>>> stuck with setting it in two places.
>>>
>> What does /etc/sysconfig/httpd look like? Is it possible that you
>> are using the wrong format? You do not really want to change the
>> /etc/init.d/httpd scipt, as an update will probably kill the changes.
> 
> That's not what he's up to.  He wants an environment variable that is 
> used to set up httpd and is also available to other shells, and can't 
> find just one place to set it.
> 
Ah - now I understand. He could always sounds /etc/sysconfig/httpd
from the config for the shell. If he wants it for all users, then
two small scripts in /etc/profile.d for sh and c type shells.
(http.sh and http.sch maybe?)

I would borrow the code from /etc/httpd...

Mikkel
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eth0 alias issue

[T. Howell-Cintron]

Greetings fedora-list!

I'm trying to add another IP address to one of my machines running FC11
and have run in to a difficult problem.  I'm used to simply copying a
working ifcfg-eth0 to ifcfg-eth0:1, changing DEVICE, NAME, and IPADDR
and it works as expected.  Not this time around..

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:
DEVICE=eth0
BOOTPROTO=none
DNS1=69.58.0.4
GATEWAY=69.58.21.129
HWADDR=00:10:4B:95:A1:99
IPADDR=69.58.21.130
NETMASK=255.255.255.240
ONBOOT=yes
ETHTOOL_OPTS="speed 100 duplex full autoneg off"
TYPE=Ethernet

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:1
DEVICE=eth0:1
NAME=eth0:1
IPADDR=69.58.21.135
NETMASK=255.255.255.240
ONBOOT=yes
TYPE=Ethernet

After editing the file I run "ifup eth0:1" and it's bound as expected.
Running "ip addr" confirms this..

2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 00:10:4b:95:a1:99 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 69.58.21.130/28 brd 69.58.21.143 scope global eth0
inet 69.58.21.135/28 brd 69.58.21.143 scope global secondary eth0:1
inet6 fe80::210:4bff:fe95:a199/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

But when I reboot things go wonky.  I can only access it via the new
aliased IP address, and when I do the output of "ip addr" shows it's
bound to eth0 and there is no mention of any aliases.

2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 00:10:4b:95:a1:99 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 69.58.21.135/28 brd 69.58.21.143 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::210:4bff:fe95:a199/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

So I run "ifup eth0" and it responds with..
SIOCGIFADDR: Cannot assign requested address
SIOCSIFBROADCAST: Cannot assign requested address
SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address
SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address

.. and now "ip addr" reports:

2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 00:10:4b:95:a1:99 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 69.58.21.135/28 brd 69.58.21.143 scope global eth0
inet 69.58.21.130/28 brd 69.58.21.143 scope global secondary eth0
inet6 fe80::210:4bff:fe95:a199/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

.. so I try "service network restart" to see what happens.  Things stay
the same - both IP addresses are bound to eth0 and are working as
expected, but still no mention of eth0:1.  It gets even stranger as when
I "mv ifcfg-eth0:1 tmp-eth0" within a few seconds the second IP address
stops responding, as if some daemon is watching that file and drops the
interface as soon as it's removed.  The output of "ip addr" confirms this:

2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
link/ether 00:10:4b:95:a1:99 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 69.58.21.130/28 brd 69.58.21.143 scope global eth0
inet6 fe80::210:4bff:fe95:a199/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

I'm at a complete loss as to why it's behaving this way.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom Howell-Cintron

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Re: httpd fails after boot

[Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED]

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:04:31 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

> Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:40:50 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> 
>>> What does /etc/sysconfig/httpd look like? Is it possible that you are
>>> using the wrong format? You do not really want to change the
>>> /etc/init.d/httpd scipt, as an update will probably kill the changes.
>>>
>>>
>> It is only comments, but in any case, as mentioned above, it will not
>> meet the requirement of having the variable defined in exactly one
>> place.
>> 
> This is true. But trying to put it in .bashrc does not do that either. I
> am not sure that putting it in .bashrc would work. I believe that
> setting environmental variables is what /etc/sysconfig/httpd is for.
> 
> Mikkel
[...]

If you read the rest of the thread you will see that
.bashrc and /etc/bashrc do not work, and you will
see why.

Mike.


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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[JD]

On 07/23/2009 04:14 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:48:44 jdow wrote:
   

From: "Robert P. J. Day"
Sent: Thursday, 2009/July/23 10:56

 

  apologies for the unduly harsh tone but, seriously, will there ever
be radeon drivers available for fedora that aren't complete junk?
this has been going on for some time now, and nothing's changed.
   

Hell no. This is X-windows. I've had drivers crashing left and right on
my old laptop since FC5 or so. And it's just been getting worse with time
not better. Now I understand why ATI drivers are crap on Windows, too.
They must play the Adaptec game, you pick your chip rev for the bugs you
are willing to work around. Over the last 5 or so years I have developed
an intense hate for ATI anything, even now that they are related to AMD.
 


+1

It seems that radeon driver works for some cards (typically old/low-end ones),
but in general it is basically a complete gamble. Proprietary ATI drivers Just
Don't Work (tm). And it's been like that since I got my first ATI card (at the
time of FC2).

The situation is really sad --- ATI claim to support open source, yet they
release the code only for obsolete cards. Intel cards are open source, but
that still doesn't mean that bugs get fixed, and the driver is extremely
unstable. This leaves us with nVidia --- yum install akmod-nvidia and
everything Just Works. Yes, it's closed source, but it works, contrary to both
ATI and Intel.

I really don't understand why so many people hate nVidia. It has good support,
they demonstrated very good cooperation with KDE4 developers recently, the
driver works with both high- and low-end cards... Yes, it is closed source,
but so is ATI (except for the old X-family cards). And people at nVidia are at
least honest about not giving the source.

If you want a high-end graphics card to do
3D/gaming/googleearth/Compiz/whatever, nVidia (with binary drivers) is
basically the only choice. ATI drivers don't work with 3D, open-source radeon
driver doesn't support HD cards, and Intel just doesn't have high-end graphics
cards.

I know, nVidia also had its bad moments, but on large timescale they
demonstrate stability. ATI has never demonstrated any. I'll never buy ATI
graphics card again.

Best, :-)
Marko
   


While I echo your sentiments, I cannot remove my laptop's old ATI chipset.
I am stuck with it. So, I keep sending emails to AMD/ATI about their 
dysfunctional

Linux/FreeBSD drivers in the hope they will relent and do something right.

JD
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Re: Setting up OpenVPN semi-manually

[Bill Davidsen]

Jonathan Underwood wrote:

2009/7/13 Bill Davidsen :

I have a VPN gateway using OpenVPN, running a custom distribution. It has
keys which were generated by hand, installed by hand, etc. It has no GUI, no
X, firewall only.

I am looking for a doc on how I take a key from a file on the server, and
install it using the NetworkManager. Just poking the GUI didn't make it
obvious, I got one working by taking NM out and installing by hand using my
Slackware notes, but that's really ugly.


Did you try ricght clicking on the NM applet, selecting "edit
connections" and then chosing the VPN tab? There i see a "import"
button amongst other things? I've never used this functionality
though, so I am just guessing.

Yes, that's why I asked. It turns out that nothing I could do in NM was going to 
be useful, because NM runs too late, no matter how many "start this at boot" 
boxes I click, it doesn't, so all the things I want to do using the tunnel fail.


AFAIK the answer is to hack it into the end of the network startup in 
rc.whatever, so that it has a connection with the outside world. That means 
killing NM and using nice sane network config, and it seems to work just fine.


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Re: mailing list pgp signatures...

[g]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

[please excuse delay in replying. i was waiting for noise level to drop]

> Needham and Schroeder famously said that anyone who thinks his problem will 
> be solved by cryptography hasn't understood his problem, and hasn't 
> understood cryptography.

i am not familiar with your reference, but i have been dealing with crypto
from back in early 60's and i do understand problems and problems that i am
faced with. there is a lot that can go wrong with crypto and in some cases,
it does break down.

> I asked before if anyone could point to a specific case on this list. I still
> don't have an answer (you said you had one but it was stopped by list 
> management, i.e. the use of signatures simply didn't arise).

if you would like, and ask, i will look for what i received from list
management and sent it to you. off list.

> IOW my view is that signatures *on mailing lists such as this one* are 
> essentially a waste of time.

not always, as i stated before, a member of this list did try to forge my
key and it was caught by list server. therefore, i contend that it is not
completely a waste.

i understand point of view and i respect it. but, as it has proved out, my
using a pgp sig was and is beneficial.

if someone does spend time to break my key and manages to forge my pgp sig,
then i will create and stronger key.

> PS BTW, an excellent layman's history of crypto is Simon Singh's "The 
> Codebook".

i am downloading cd version now. looking forward to seeing what it is about.
i did note that there was a notice 'for pc'. i do hope that it is not limited
to msbsos pc's.

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