Re: Which is the correct way to report a bug ?

[Alessandro Boggiano]

Il 28/07/2009 18:50, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 16:40 +0200, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:

Il 28/07/2009 15:47, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:49 +0200, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:

I'm aware about bugzilla but I'd like to be sure HOW to report this.
The problem seems related to the intel driver.
   From /var/log/messages the first line is:

"Kernel BUG at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem:2241!"




https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510948


I filled this:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514240


I think the real problem is likely to be in the Intel driver code, it's
just that one version of Mesa tickles it and another doesn't. The fact
that the Kernel itself reports a bug is indicative of this. A library
should not be able to cause this kind of behaviour under any
circumstances.


I agree!
And now I'm a little scared because I have to buy a new Dell laptop and 
I have to choose between an Intel or an ATI videocard.

Looking into testing repositories I haven't seen nothing about intel.


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Re: Fedora 11 upgrade, sound solved

[Kam Leo]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Tarun Ramakrishna wrote:
> Half the people who are having sound problems are removing pulseaudio
> un-necessarily. As discovered several times already, the mixer setting is at
> zero. (I had the same problem too)
>

I followed the links provided in the original post and found the wiki,
http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/BrokenSoundDrivers , where they enumerated
various sound cards that do not work with PA. My sound device,
snd-ens1371, happens to be one of the broken ones.  Only way I can get
sound is to remove Pulse Audio.

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Re: Weird sound issues after updating to F11

[Niels Weber]

I tested some more:

2009/7/28 Niels Weber :
> Affected are:
> Supertux
> Supertuxkart
> Warzone2100
> UT2004
Bolzplatz2006

> Not affected are:
> Rhythmbox
> MPlayer
> Vultures Claw
> World of Goo
> Prey
Egoboo
Wormux
Widelands

None of the affected programs seems to notice the error, at least
there is no message on the starting terminal. There is also nothing in
/var/log/messages.

Niels

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Re: Problem with Fire Fox

[Frank Cox]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:12:45 +0530
RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote:

> > Are you using a 64-bit version of Fedora or 32-bit?

> How to find out that?

rpm -q firefox

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Re: OpenOffice stock pictures path

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 07/29/2009 12:24 AM, Joe Smith wrote:
I can't see that it's your fault, or Fedora's. It seems like a bad 
design to me, to use stock resources in a way that's almost guaranteed 
to break, but here's the official response:


http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54406

Yes, "this is a feature and no bug."

I'd say it's worth asking them to take another look, since a routine 
upgrade will break documents that are otherwise untouched, but in the 
end it's all rather academic.




Thanks for the bug. Yes, it seems rather odd to even have their numbered 
directory for their stock items. Do they really plan on letting people 
have OO.org 2.0 and OO.org 3.0 installed at the same time? What would 
that gain anyone?


I'll mull it over and create more havoc when I think I'm ready.

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Re: Problem with Fire Fox

[RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA]

How to find out that?

Kishore

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Cameron <
thomas.came...@camerontech.com> wrote:

> On 07/28/2009 01:52 AM, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote:
>
>> Even after installing Adobe Macro Media plugin, firefox is not able to
>> play .swf files properly. Audio is coming but no video. Same files are
>> working in firefox on Windows XP.
>>
>> Can any body help me solving this problem?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Kishore
>>
>>
> Are you using a 64-bit version of Fedora or 32-bit?
>
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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Terry Barnaby]

On 07/29/2009 02:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:51:25 +0100,
   Anne Wilson  wrote:

On Tuesday 28 July 2009 04:11:36 john wendel wrote:

The one and only time I ever had an ATI card was when I was running
Windows 98 (the last version I ever owned) and the ATI driver wouldn't
get out of 640x480 mode. I gave the card away, and vowed to never buy
ATI video again. I suggest you do the same.

It's unfair to compare ATi so long ago with ATi now.  But then many people are
running ancient cards and expect them to work with modern drivers.  It's
unrealistic.  ATi are working better with Linux these days, but it has only
been this last couple of years.  Anything older than that, you just have to
accept what it gives you.


Why? The important parts of the spec for the older radeon cards are available.
In fact the r200 specs have been available for a very long time.

Having a quick look at the subject, it does look like things are moving in the 
right direction at AMD/freedesktop. As stated AMD have released a lot of 
detailed documentation for their chipsets (90% of the battle ?) and there
appears to be quite a lot of work going on. Some catch up work to 
DRI2/Gallium/KMS/Gem and other future graphics API's has been just done as well 
as tidying up the code so that more code is shared between different chipset 
varients. It looks like the large amount of work/changes being introduced for 
Intel cards (by Intel ?) has caused a bit of a rumpus in the graphics scene :)

From what I can see, people are saying that the ATI drivers should improve
and have better (reliability/performance) in the medium term. There are
statements of 6 to 9 months, but I guess that depends on how many people
are working on them and the quality of bug reports ...

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Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[Mick M.]

> ya it hangs on udev for several minutes ... may be 3 to 4
> min. and then 
> boots ok. But it happened after getting update ,
> 
> do you have any idea/tweak  to solve it ??. or it
> is just a BUG ?
> 

It did this to me too. (F11x64)
Turns out my BIOS thought I had a floppy drive.
I set it none/disabled and now it boots normally again.

This did not happen before the update.

Mick M


  

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Re: OpenOffice stock pictures path

[Joe Smith]

On 07/28/2009 04:06 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

Every upgrade to OO.org has resulted in a few of my documents missing
pictures. The pictures in question were OO.org stock pictures

I have to edit my documents to the new path so they work again.

Is there something I'm doing wrong or does OO.org (or the Fedora RPM)
need a change?


I can't see that it's your fault, or Fedora's. It seems like a bad 
design to me, to use stock resources in a way that's almost guaranteed 
to break, but here's the official response:


http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54406

Yes, "this is a feature and no bug."

I'd say it's worth asking them to take another look, since a routine 
upgrade will break documents that are otherwise untouched, but in the 
end it's all rather academic.


Better to protect the document yourself by going to Edit > Links and 
"breaking" the link to those images. When you do that, OOo Writer will 
take a copy of the image and embed it in your document, so there's no 
way for them to get separated as before.


You can also insert the ruler directly, rather than using the Insert > 
Horizontal Line menu, by using Tools > Gallery > Rulers, right click on 
the ruler you want > Insert > Copy (not Insert > Link). That will insert 
an embedded copy of the ruler image with no need to break the link as a 
separate step.


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Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[Jatin K]

On 07/29/2009 10:39 AM, Tony Nelson wrote:

On 09-07-29 00:28:42, Jatin K wrote:
   

I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting
update

my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at
udev  when booting, before update it was fine !!!


what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ?
 


It could be the new kernel.  Try a previous kernel.  Press a key while
Grub is starting during boot (just before the kernel is loaded), and,
when the Grub menu appears, use the up/down arrow keys to select
another kernel, and then press RETURN (or right-arrow) to boot.

   
I've tried it .. ( old kernel ) but the thing remains same, after that I 
reinstalled FC11 from DVD, problem was solved.. then again I get the 
update from fedora ...  (I see the icon at panel, telling that new 
updates are available ), now again I'm facing the same problem  :-( 
. so I think that there are some update which causes the t


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Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[Jatin K]

On 07/29/2009 10:39 AM, Tony Nelson wrote:

On 09-07-29 00:28:42, Jatin K wrote:
   

I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting
update

my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at
udev  when booting, before update it was fine !!!


what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ?
 


It could be the new kernel.  Try a previous kernel.  Press a key while
Grub is starting during boot (just before the kernel is loaded), and,
when the Grub menu appears, use the up/down arrow keys to select
another kernel, and then press RETURN (or right-arrow) to boot.

   
I've tried it .. ( old kernel ) but the thing remains same, after that I 
reinstalled FC11 from DVD, problem was solved.. then again I get the 
update from fedora ...  (I see the icon at panel, telling that new 
updates are available ), now again I'm facing the same problem  :-( 
. so I think that there are some update which causes the trouble



thnX &  Regards

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Re: [fedora-classroom] Upcoming IRC Classroom Sessions

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:50:48 -0500
Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:16:37 +0530,
>   Roopesh Majeti  wrote:
> > Hi,A small quick request. Is it possible to share the presentation
> > material [ if any, prepared ] to all, so that, whoever misses the
> > session, can atleast, get a glance of the training.
> 
> The classes get recorded and there are usually links to any external
> materials in the logs. Though those aren't typically archived in
> Fedora infrastructure as far as I have seen. So they may not be
> available permanently.

Yes. All previous classes were archived on the wiki, you can see them
on the main Classroom page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom

Newer classes are using the irc meetbot function, and can be found at: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-classroom/
This site is backed up and should be available for a long long long
time. ;) 

kevin


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Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[Jatin K]

On 07/29/2009 10:24 AM, john wendel wrote:

On 07/28/2009 09:28 PM, Jatin K wrote:

I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting update
my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at
udev when booting, before update it was fine !!!


what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ?



Regards

Jatin Khatri



Does it freeze and never boot, or does it just time out and boot after 
a few minutes?  I have a box that hangs on udev for several minutes, 
then boots OK.


Regards,

John

ya it hangs on udev for several minutes ... may be 3 to 4 min. and then 
boots ok. But it happened after getting update ,


do you have any idea/tweak  to solve it ??. or it is just a BUG ?

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Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[Tony Nelson]

On 09-07-29 00:28:42, Jatin K wrote:
> I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting 
> update
>  
> my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at 
> udev  when booting, before update it was fine !!!
> 
> 
> what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ?

It could be the new kernel.  Try a previous kernel.  Press a key while 
Grub is starting during boot (just before the kernel is loaded), and, 
when the Grub menu appears, use the up/down arrow keys to select 
another kernel, and then press RETURN (or right-arrow) to boot.

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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[max bianco]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Richard Shaw wrote:
>
>> As far as I know the firewall on both machines will need to be
>> modified. I'm trying to remember this from memory but I believe there
>> is an option for IPP and one is labeled as (Server) and one is labeled
>> as (Client). Machine A will need the server option checked and machine
>> B will need the client option checked.
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> But I don't think the firewalls are the problem.
> I now have both disabled, but I had the appropriate settings anyway.
>
> I think if there was a firewall problem, telnet to ports 631 or 9100
> would not work?
I would guess not. Don't forget handy tools like wireshark in these
situations, especially if your sure of your config and even if your
not it might help you sniff out the problem.



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Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[john wendel]

On 07/28/2009 09:28 PM, Jatin K wrote:

I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting update
my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at
udev when booting, before update it was fine !!!


what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ?



Regards

Jatin Khatri



Does it freeze and never boot, or does it just time out and boot after a 
few minutes?  I have a box that hangs on udev for several minutes, then 
boots OK.


Regards,

John

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FC11 Freezes at udev on boot

[Jatin K]

I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting update  
my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at 
udev  when booting, before update it was fine !!!



what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ?



Regards

Jatin Khatri

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Re: Problem with Fire Fox

[Thomas Cameron]

On 07/28/2009 01:52 AM, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote:

Even after installing Adobe Macro Media plugin, firefox is not able to
play .swf files properly. Audio is coming but no video. Same files are
working in firefox on Windows XP.

Can any body help me solving this problem?

Thank you.

Kishore



Are you using a 64-bit version of Fedora or 32-bit?

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Re: Low X11 resolution with samsung monitor

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Stuart McGraw  wrote:

> From: Stuart McGraw 
> Subject: Low X11 resolution with samsung monitor
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 8:19 PM
> Hello all, 
> 
> I have just installed Fedora 11 on my new computer with
> Intel Q33 graphics and could use some help.
> 
> When I boot Fedora with my old Samsung 950p CRT 
> monitor plugged in, the X11 resolution is something 
> reasonably high (at least 1024x760 I think).  But when
> 
> I boot it with my new Samsung 2333SW LCD monitor, 
> X runs at 800x600 resolution with no higher resolutions
> available the Gnome "Display" applet..
> 
> Per some Google results I tried doing "Xorg -configure :1"
> 
> after booting with each monitor but the resulting
> xorg.conf.new
> file are identical.  However, when I use that file
> (which
> has a basically empty Monitor section), I now get 1024x
> 768.  But I still can't figure out how to get
> 1280x1024
> or best, 1920x1080.
> 
> Any idea how I create a xorg.conf file that will display
> at my lcd monitor's native 1920x1080 resolution or any-
> thing better than 1024x768?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 


In the Section "Monitor" of  your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, 

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 16
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection


Change it to add a section 
Modes "1920x1080" 
like the following:

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
Modes "1920x1080" 
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
Modes "1920x1080" 
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
Modes "1920x1080" 
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 15
Modes "1920x1080" 
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 16
Modes "1920x1080" 
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes "1920x1080" 
EndSubSection
EndSection


Please try that out and report back with success or failure.  Then if it works, 
you may add more values like
Modes "1929x1080" "1280x960" "1024x768" "800x600", etc

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Low X11 resolution with samsung monitor

[Stuart McGraw]

Hello all, 

I have just installed Fedora 11 on my new computer with
Intel Q33 graphics and could use some help.

When I boot Fedora with my old Samsung 950p CRT 
monitor plugged in, the X11 resolution is something 
reasonably high (at least 1024x760 I think).  But when 
I boot it with my new Samsung 2333SW LCD monitor, 
X runs at 800x600 resolution with no higher resolutions
available the Gnome "Display" applet..

Per some Google results I tried doing "Xorg -configure :1" 
after booting with each monitor but the resulting xorg.conf.new
file are identical.  However, when I use that file (which
has a basically empty Monitor section), I now get 1024x
768.  But I still can't figure out how to get 1280x1024
or best, 1920x1080.

Any idea how I create a xorg.conf file that will display
at my lcd monitor's native 1920x1080 resolution or any-
thing better than 1024x768?



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[solved] Re: LMV2 boot from another Volume Group?

[Tony Nelson]

I'm back now, with an updated system.  In order to copy a system to a 
new disk and Volume Group, one needs, along with a fresh install of 
Grub, a new initrd with info from the new updated /etc/fstab.  It's not 
necessarily an LVM issue.


On 09-07-27 14:14:45, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Tony Nelson wrote:
> > On 09-07-27 10:08:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> What do you mean by boot from each drive? Are you talking about
> >> selecting what drive to boot from in the BIOS, or selecting what
> >> drive is / by setting the root= in /boot/grub.conf?
> > 
> > Either way (with suitable changes to grub.conf).
> > 
> It gets a bit complicated because Grub uses the BIOS to access the
> drives. To use the BIOS to select the drive to boot from, you need a
> grub first stage on the MBR of both drives. But the first stage on
> the second drive has to point to /boot on the first drive. The
> things is, when you change the boot drive in the BIOS, the boot
> drive becomes (hd0) and the original drive becomes (hd1). This can
> be made to work, but you need to mount /boot from the first
> installation in the second installation. It works much better to
> have a /boot partition on the second drive. Please keep in mind that
> the /boot partition can not be in an LVM.

All this was fine, as booting had started (kernel loaded, initrd 
loaded).


> >> Second question - do the two VGs have different names?
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > Even when the boot drive is set in the BIOS to be the drive 
> > containing the Volume Group to use, VolGroup01, all Volume Groups 
> > are recognized, and then VolGroup00's volumes are activated.  I see 
> > that nash has started.  In the initrd, the nash script "init"  
> > contains the offending settings.  I suppose I need to use mkinitrd  
> > to fix this, so that VolGroup01 (and also VolGroup00 which contains 
> > the swap partition) is activated.

Doing `mkinitrd -f /boot/initrd- ` 
fixed the problem.  Note that mkinitrd trusts /etc/inittab, so that had 
better be right.


> It would help to see /boot/grub/grub.conf - I suspect that is part
> of the problem. If you run the Gnome desktop, you can run System -->
> Administration --> Logical Volume Management for an easy way to
> manage LVMs.

None of that had anything to do with the problem.  As I mentioned 
previously, nash had started (so Grub was well out of the picture) and 
then not all needed Logical Volumes were activated.  I'd heard of nash, 
but had never known quite where it was in the boot process.  I'd never 
looked into the initrd either.

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Re: [fedora-classroom] Upcoming IRC Classroom Sessions

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:16:37 +0530,
  Roopesh Majeti  wrote:
> Hi,A small quick request. Is it possible to share the presentation material
> [ if any, prepared ] to all, so that, whoever misses the session, can
> atleast, get a glance of the training.

The classes get recorded and there are usually links to any external
materials in the logs. Though those aren't typically archived in Fedora
infrastructure as far as I have seen. So they may not be available
permanently.

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Re: grub: splash screen resolution

[Kam Leo]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Kam Leo wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:03:09 -0700
>> Kam Leo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> GRUB has no splash screen.
>>
>> Grub has a splash screen.
>>
>> See the the splashimage directive in grub.conf.
>
> I stand corrected. It is the background image for the grub menu. It is
> 640x480 pixels.
>

More information regarding GRUB splash screen image characteristics:
Maximum size is 640x480 pixels. Maximum number of colors is 14.

That makes sense since the lowest common denominator (mode) for video
adapters is VGA.

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Re: Playing Cinema DVDs problem

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 13:30 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> AFAIK, playing NTSC content on a PAL system is not an easy thing to 
> do. The computer has to perform appropriate conversion, and this might
> get CPU-intensive.

Unless you're connecting video out from a computer to an ordinary
television set, then NTSC or PAL (colour encoding schemes for composite-
or S-video) don't come into the equation.  

It's only scan rates that are a problem, where people think of NTSC or
PAL issues, and that's probably the case for any computer, no matter
what your local television standards are.  Films are 24 frames per
second, video is usually 25 or 30 frames per second (PAL or NTSC can be
either), computer displays are typically anywhere from 60 to 100 frames
per second.  So frames need showing more than once, and often not by
*exact* multiples.  This gives you flickers, during frame repeats, and
annoying flashes if a frame changes part way down the picture.

If you can change your display frequency, and that's probably not
possible with most LCD displays, then you can minimise those visual
annoyances, and change the workload of your PC.

Likewise, the display resolution is an issue.  DVDs are usually either
720 by 576 or 720 by 486.  If your screen is something else, it needs to
be scaled.  This nearly always looks bad, particularly with LCDs, and
even more so if scaled by integer amounts (e.g. exactly double, or
triple, etc.), and is CPU intensive.

Decoding of the MPEG data is also intensive.  Computer systems that can
do hardware decoding are generally better at it than those that have to
do it all in software.

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Re: [fedora-classroom] Upcoming IRC Classroom Sessions

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:19:42 -0600
Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
> > we currently have the following Classes scheduled: 
> > 
> > 2009-07-29 01:00 UTC A tour of the Xfce desktop -- Kevin
> > Fenzi 2009-08-05 01:00 UTC   An intro to rsync -- Jon Stanley
> 
> Sorry to followup on my own posting here, but we have another last
> minute class this week I would like to let everyone know about: 
> 
> 2009-07-29 02:00 UTC   Introduction to Koji (build system) and
> Bodhi (updates system) in Fedora infrastructure (End user perspective)
> -- Rahul Sundaram
> 
> I hope a bunch of folks can attend. 

And Of course to followup again (sigh). 

I got my dates mixed up. The Classes scheduled today (the 29th) are
really tomorrow (on the 30th). ;( 

Date and Time (UTC) Class topic and Instructor
2009-07-30 01:00 UTC A tour of the Xfce desktop -- Kevin Fenzi
2009-07-30 02:00 UTC Introduction to Koji (build system) and 
Bodhi (updates system) in Fedora infrastructure (End user perspective) -- Rahul 
Sundaram

Sorry for the confusion and hope folks can make it tomorrow. 

kevin


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Re: Firefox display of LinkedIn slow on Fedora 10

[Michael Eager]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Michael Eager wrote:

Hi --

When I try to open a page on LinkedIn in Firefox or
Konqueror, it takes forever to display.  Often, the
session times out before the page is shown.  I have
not noticed any other sites which have similar problems.

A Google search shows that a number of people have encountered
similar problems.  There were conjectures that the problem
has to do with routers or network settings.  There are a few
suggestions to reduce the TCP MTU size, and some people
claimed this fixed their problem.  When I followed these
suggestions, it doesn't improve display of LinkedIn pages,
but it did screw up display of other sites.

On a Windows XP system running under VMware on the same
hardware, Firefox displays LinkedIn pages with no delay.

Since the network connection and router is the same,
it's not a problem with the physical hardware.  Since
the same problem appears on both Firefox and Konqueror,
it's not a problem with the browser display engine.

Anyone have a suggestion how to eliminate this annoyance?



Thanks for the suggestion.

MTU sounds good, the usual "real cause" is some router not passing or 
honoring the "can't fragment" ICMP. If you are running from a VM, behind 
a tunnel, etc, etc, this might be your problem, and since there's a 
simple solution it's worth a try.


Actually, the WinXP system running in the VM works OK; the
host Linux system is the one that fails.  The VM is accessing
the NIC in promiscuous mode.  The same routers should be in place
for both VM and host.

Look at the "mss M" section of the "man route" output, and it explains 
this better. Using the route command you can set a route to the problem 
site, via your default router, and only for that route use a smaller 
MTU. So "mss 1400" would be part of the command line.


Tried host route:

# route -v add -host linkedin.com mss 1400 gw gateway dev eth0
# route -e
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
www.linkedin.co gateway 255.255.255.255 UGH1400 0  0 eth0
172.16.160.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 vmnet1
192.168.20.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 eth0
192.168.238.0   *   255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 vmnet8
link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 0 0  0 eth0
default gateway 0.0.0.0 UG0 0  0 eth0

Also tried network route:

# route -v add -net 64.74.98.0 netmask 255.255.255.0  mss 1400 gw gateway dev 
eth0
# route -e
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
172.16.160.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 vmnet1
192.168.20.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 eth0
64.74.98.0  gateway 255.255.255.0   UG 1400 0  0 eth0
192.168.238.0   *   255.255.255.0   U 0 0  0 vmnet8
link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 0 0  0 eth0
default gateway 0.0.0.0 UG0 0  0 eth0

Neither appear to make any difference.  I also shrank MTU down to 1000
to see if that helped.  Same result.

One interesting aspect is that some of the LinkedIn pages come up fast,
others hang.  Firefox thinks it's waiting for www.linkedin.com.  I could
run a sniffer to see if it really is accessing the IP address with the
reduced MTU.



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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:51:25 +0100,
  Anne Wilson  wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 04:11:36 john wendel wrote:
> > The one and only time I ever had an ATI card was when I was running
> > Windows 98 (the last version I ever owned) and the ATI driver wouldn't
> > get out of 640x480 mode. I gave the card away, and vowed to never buy
> > ATI video again. I suggest you do the same.
> 
> It's unfair to compare ATi so long ago with ATi now.  But then many people 
> are 
> running ancient cards and expect them to work with modern drivers.  It's 
> unrealistic.  ATi are working better with Linux these days, but it has only 
> been this last couple of years.  Anything older than that, you just have to 
> accept what it gives you.

Why? The important parts of the spec for the older radeon cards are available.
In fact the r200 specs have been available for a very long time.

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Re: Pulseaudio being abandoned?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 07/29/2009 01:49 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

> 
> Yes, I'm aware of the "glitch-free" system that F11 is supposed to
> contain, but I've heard enough glitches from multiple systems to put
> doubt in these claims by Lennart.

You are seemingly equating glitch-free with bug free while the claims
made are very specific.

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html

It was originally in Fedora 10

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio

Also he has just posted a update recently in

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-July/msg01688.html

Rahul

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Re: flash problems with Fedora 11 23-bit

[Hugh Caley]

On 07/28/2009 04:38 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
I have now also removed pulseaudio (just that RPM, plus a few others 
that yum wanted to remove because of dependencies) and, tentatively, 
it seems to have fixed the rest of my problems, such as ridiculous and 
continuous CPU abuse and the problem with videos not playing unless 
the mouse pointer was in motion above them.


Also, with Pulse removed, sound is going through the SiS hardware 
again but it seems to work without problems now.


It seems like alsa is taking care of audio mixing for me, and the 
various alsa mixers seem to work, although they aren't nicely 
integrated into the gnome desktop.


The only problem left is that trying to fullscreen the videos crashes 
firefox.  Compiz zoom seems to work fine though.


Hugh

On 07/28/2009 12:30 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
So, solved about half my problems with Flash by adding an old CMedia 
audio card



Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)


 and not using the built-in SiS audio controller:

Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 
Sound Controller (rev a0)


Completely fixes my stuttering audio problem and now I can play 
videos using the flash plugin, at least for a while.


Now, usually, an embedded youtube video will play just after I 
restart the browser.  The main problem is that, after a while, 
firefox will peg my cpu even if no video is playing, and sometimes 
the videos will play only (and poorly) while I'm wiggling the mouse 
on top of them.


I am using the proprietary driver for my nvidia 6200 card.

Any ideas of other things to try?  I currently have "Desktop Effects" 
(Compiz) turned on, but turning it off makes little difference.  I'm 
using Firefox 3.5, but 3.0 seems about the same in terms of Flash 
problems.


Hugh




Agh, spoke too soon, having problems with cpu abuse and the mouse 
pointer again.  Still, better than it was; it really helps to have the 
audio issues minimized by either getting audio hardware that is more 
compatible with pulse or just getting rid of pulse.


And I mean 32-bit, of course ;)

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How do I get sound working in F11 --- Easily

[Leslie Satenstein]

From: 
"Bill Davidsen" 



To: 
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Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Craig White wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 19:31 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
 If it doesn't work out of the box there are no tools to ever make it
 work, which is why PA should be in the toybox, not the default.
>>> 
>>> ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I
>>> would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It
>>> has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works
>>> for me on every computer I have installed Ubuntu on.
>>> 
>>
So tools to correct the cases which don't work out of the box and can't
be made to work are not needed because it works most of the time? What
do we need this Linux for anyway, after all Windows works most of the
time...
> 
> you make less sense every time you get deeper into this discussion.
> 
> If you think Windows is less trouble, you should use Windows. I don't
> have a problem with that.
> 
> If you think pulse audio is a problem, then don't use it. I have no
> problem with that.
> 
> pulse audio is little more than a collection layer for audio from
> various sources. I am fairly convinced that most of the griping I see on
> this list about pulse audio has less to do with pulse audio than people
> having trouble getting their Intel motherboard audio to work properly.
> Pulseaudio just seems to be a convenient spot to focus one's blame.
> 
When
sound worked with FC4 and FC6 (and in some cases FC9) and no Intel
boards are involved I think you're trying hard to sweep this udner the
rug.

> I recognize that it is frustrating to have problems, even regressions
> with new releases of Fedora but you have to keep in mind that the
> kernel, the kernel modules and of course the underlying software is
> still in a rapid state of change and the way to make it work for
> yourself and everyone else behind you is to perform diligent bug
> reports.
> 
I
keep in mind that this has been getting worse, not better, since PA was
introduced. I care not that it exists, only that it is standard rather
than some collection of optional stuff people can install if they need
it.

> If you think that I don't understand these issues, I have had bug
> reports about not being able to boot Optiplex 320's via grub since
> Fedora 7.
> 
The
problem with open source, when people have no reward for giving the
user what they want rather than what the developer wants and taking the
attitude that "it's free if you don't like it don't use it." Also the
attitude that developers write code and lesser beings write
documentation. PA is a solution most people don't need, in search of a
problem most people don't have.

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the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot


I have 4 different PCs vis  1 P4, noname, 1 Dell P4 small ATX mother board, 1 
Intel dual core d930 system and an ASUS P5Q system.

With System-->Preferences-->Sound Preferences I make sure that volume controles 
are up and that the right device has been selected. (in all my cases I chose 
internal audio)

I subsequently made certain that the audio icon, when clicked (top right side, 
with Gnome) was at max volume.

I then chose the player. There are some settings I missed, but with some 
exploring, you will find them.  Right click on the Speaker.



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Re: Rhythmbox no longer "sees" ipod

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm having this problem with banshee and amarok, on Fedora 11 too. The 
advice I was given is to wait for it all to be fixed.


I hope gnupod will work.

I didn't upgrade, I did a clean install of Fedora 11 but from the days 
of the beta.


I wonder if all this stuff will work as expected on Ubuntu...hmmmI 
do have a Ubuntu virtual machine installed.


Bob


On 07/28/2009 05:00 PM, Eric Mesa wrote:

Upgraded to F11 yesterday.  My iPod appears to be loaded as a removable
drive instead of an ipod based on the icon on the desktop.  Rhythmbox
doesn't see it.  I am able to transfer podcasts to it using Gtkpod, so
that part of it works.  I just think it doesn't work wrt notifying
Rhythmbox that it's an iPod.  It may be related to the issue the other
guy was having in here with Amarok.  Also, in one of his emails he
mentioned a friend having a problem with Banshee.

Is there a setting that has changed that I need to tweak somewhere?
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Re: Q about alsamixer:CD

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Tim  wrote:

> On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:01 -0300, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
> > If I remember well, grip is one application that gets the sound via
> > the anlog cable.
>
> I've never had it work that way, it rips the sound digitally, here.
>
> While it's possible to just play the disc and sample it analoguely, and
> grip might support that (I don't have it installed any more, to check),
> that's not a default option, and would be slow (real time).  If you've
> done any disc ripping at faster than the normal playing time of the
> audio tracks, then you've done it digitally.
>


I am not talking about ripping. It plays audio CD also. It is
the playing that is analogic.



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Re: Q about alsamixer:CD

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:01 -0300, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
> If I remember well, grip is one application that gets the sound via
> the anlog cable.

I've never had it work that way, it rips the sound digitally, here.

While it's possible to just play the disc and sample it analoguely, and
grip might support that (I don't have it installed any more, to check),
that's not a default option, and would be slow (real time).  If you've
done any disc ripping at faster than the normal playing time of the
audio tracks, then you've done it digitally.

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Re: Network bug - iwlagn OOPS ?

[Mail Lists]

On 07/28/2009 08:55 AM, John W. Linville wrote:
>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511128
> 
> Probably would be even better if the bug creator would not have
> assigned what is clearly a kernel problem to the iwlwifi-firmware
> component...
> 

So sorry - i did not think even to look ... just assumed was kernel ..

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Re: flash problems with Fedora 11 23-bit

[Hugh Caley]

I have now also removed pulseaudio (just that RPM, plus a few others 
that yum wanted to remove because of dependencies) and, tentatively, it 
seems to have fixed the rest of my problems, such as ridiculous and 
continuous CPU abuse and the problem with videos not playing unless the 
mouse pointer was in motion above them.


Also, with Pulse removed, sound is going through the SiS hardware again 
but it seems to work without problems now.


It seems like alsa is taking care of audio mixing for me, and the 
various alsa mixers seem to work, although they aren't nicely integrated 
into the gnome desktop.


The only problem left is that trying to fullscreen the videos crashes 
firefox.  Compiz zoom seems to work fine though.


Hugh

On 07/28/2009 12:30 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
So, solved about half my problems with Flash by adding an old CMedia 
audio card



Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)


 and not using the built-in SiS audio controller:

Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 
Sound Controller (rev a0)


Completely fixes my stuttering audio problem and now I can play videos 
using the flash plugin, at least for a while.


Now, usually, an embedded youtube video will play just after I restart 
the browser.  The main problem is that, after a while, firefox will 
peg my cpu even if no video is playing, and sometimes the videos will 
play only (and poorly) while I'm wiggling the mouse on top of them.


I am using the proprietary driver for my nvidia 6200 card.

Any ideas of other things to try?  I currently have "Desktop Effects" 
(Compiz) turned on, but turning it off makes little difference.  I'm 
using Firefox 3.5, but 3.0 seems about the same in terms of Flash 
problems.


Hugh




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Re: grub: splash screen resolution

[Frank Cox]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:03:09 -0700
Kam Leo wrote:


> GRUB has no splash screen. 

Grub has a splash screen.

See the the splashimage directive in grub.conf.



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Re: grub: splash screen resolution

[Kam Leo]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> Kam Leo wrote:
>> Try appending a "vga=341" to the kernel stanza of grub. Get other
>> supported vga values by entering "vga=ask".

Oops, the values should be preceded by "0x", i.e. "vga=0x341" since
the values are hexadecimal.

>
>
> That's for kernel resolution, which is applied right after grub.
> François is talking about grub itself, however.
>
> I don't think it's possible to change grub's resolution but if there's a
> way, I'd like to know too.

GRUB has no splash screen. If I am not mistaken, François is referring
to the splash screen created by rhgb (red hat graphical boot). The
"vga=" kernel parameter controls the screen resolution during boot and
up through the presentation of the login screen.

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Re: lib64

[Frank Cox]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:40:06 -0500
Dennis Gilmore wrote:

> adobe acrobat is 32 bit only last i looked. i would question why you need it 
> since ive found the opensource versions to be much more stable and just as 
> feature complete.  

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220983

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Brainstorming Session for Fedora Community 2.0 - Monday August 3, 2009 - 1500 UTC

[Tom "spot" Callaway]

For those of you who haven't no idea what "Fedora Community" is, its our
newest Fedora web application, providing a window into the Fedora
distribution, and leveraging the power of Fedora's Account System,
Bodhi, Bugzilla, Koji, and PackageDB into a single user-friendly
website. It is built entirely with Free Software, such as Moksha and
Turbogears 2. Fedora Community is designed to simplify Fedora workflows
and bring transparency to Fedora processes:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community

What you see on that URL is our 1.0 milestone, but we already have lots
of ideas on improvements and new functionality that we'd like to develop
for our 2.0 release. So, we're going to have a public brainstorming
session on Monday, August 3rd, 2009:

* The session will be held at 1500 UTC (11 AM Eastern)

(In addition, if there are enough interested international folks who
cannot attend the session due to their timezone, please let me know, and
we will try to schedule a future session that works for you)

We're going to use a variety of ways to be involved:

* IRC: #moksha on irc.freenode.net (we'll be watching and taking
questions from the channel)
* Gobby: We're going to keep our notes in Gobby, an open source
collaboration tool.
The name of our document is "Fedora Community Brainstorm", see
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo for information on
how to connect
* Telephone: This is where we'll be doing the talking.
US Toll-Free: 800-451-8679
Conference Code: 22717 79826
(If you need an international dial-in number, please email me with your
country, and I may be able to provide it.)
Please be kind and mute your line if you're not asking a question. If
the noise on the call becomes unbearable, I will mute everyone. :)

Questions about the meeting? Email me. Questions about Fedora Community
2.0? Come to the brainstorming session! Can't make it to the session and
want to suggest something? Login to Gobby and add it to our notes before
the session.

Thanks,

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Re: Status of a 2.6.30 kernel ? Other sources for a 2.6.30 kernel.

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:25:35 -0400,
  Bill Davidsen  wrote:
>
> The claim is that the test is optimized away, and that would seem to be  
> a separate issue from using the value of tun before testing.

But that is valid because if you had deferenced a null pointer previously
you are now in an undefined state and you can do anything. So it is valid
to optimize the test away because it always fails if the pointer is not
null and if it is null you are in a state where you are allowed to do
anything.

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Failed to contact the GConf daemon

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I got the error:
Failed to contact the GConf daemon; exiting.

when I run gnome-terminal in root

It looks that it is a reported bug, but is it fix ?

thank

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Rhythmbox no longer "sees" ipod

[Eric Mesa]

Upgraded to F11 yesterday.  My iPod appears to be loaded as a removable
drive instead of an ipod based on the icon on the desktop.  Rhythmbox
doesn't see it.  I am able to transfer podcasts to it using Gtkpod, so
that part of it works.  I just think it doesn't work wrt notifying
Rhythmbox that it's an iPod.  It may be related to the issue the other
guy was having in here with Amarok.  Also, in one of his emails he
mentioned a friend having a problem with Banshee.

Is there a setting that has changed that I need to tweak somewhere?
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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Timothy Murphy]

Richard Shaw wrote:

> As far as I know the firewall on both machines will need to be
> modified. I'm trying to remember this from memory but I believe there
> is an option for IPP and one is labeled as (Server) and one is labeled
> as (Client). Machine A will need the server option checked and machine
> B will need the client option checked.

Thanks for the response.

But I don't think the firewalls are the problem.
I now have both disabled, but I had the appropriate settings anyway.

I think if there was a firewall problem, telnet to ports 631 or 9100
would not work?


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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Tim Waugh]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 12:03 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> As far as I know the firewall on both machines will need to be
> modified. I'm trying to remember this from memory but I believe there
> is an option for IPP and one is labeled as (Server) and one is labeled
> as (Client). Machine A will need the server option checked and machine
> B will need the client option checked.

Ah, of course you're right.

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Re: Why is my load ave so high now? [Now I know why!]

[Kevin J. Cummings]

On 07/28/2009 02:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> So, I guess my question is what's broken with NFS between my F11 laptop
>> and the F10 server
> 
> I could see where "ls c:" might be interpreted by the system as trying
> to find an NFS machine called "c".  An NFS mount command is:
> 
> mount -t nfs server:/sharename /mountpoint
> 
> Perhaps F11 is trying to invoke an automount of an NFS share from server
> "c" to satisfy your "ls" command.  That'd be wild!
> 
> I haven't tried this.  perhaps you've found a very subtle bug in F11's
> NFS client implementation.  Could you run a wireshark or tcpdump and
> watch for NFS traffic when you do that "ls c:" command?  If you do,
> then I'd file a bugzilla PDQ (pretty damned quick).

Well, since my cwd at the time is /net/kjc386, I fully expect "ls c:" to
generate NFS traffic, because (through the autofs stuff) its trying to
access "kjc386:/c:" which is one of the exported directories from the
server kjc386.  Did I misinterpret what you were trying to say?

I know what you are trying to say, and this naming convention that I
have been using for years now, has only tripped up emacs's readdir stuff
in the past, never ls.  I suppose I could try changing the directories
mount point from "c:" to "c" and see if that helps

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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Timothy Murphy]

Tim Waugh wrote:

>> I'm trying to set up a printer attached to machine A
>> so that I can print from laptop B.
> [...]
>> Both A and B are running Fedora-11.
> 
> The way this is meant to work is:
> 
> 1. On machine A, set 'Share printers connected to this system', either
> using System->Administration->Printing or with the CUPS web interface
> 
> 2. On laptop B, adjust the firewall so that IPP UDP packets are allowed
> in.
> 
> 3. On machine A, plug in the printer.
> 
> The queue is automatically created and shared.
> 
> You can do things in a different order, it just might take more time for
> the queue to show up on the laptop.

Thanks for the response.

I did have the firewalls on both machines properly set,
with port 9100 (TCP and UDP) added.
Now I've disabled the firewall on both machines.
The printer was set as sharing on both machines.

I'm wondering if I have caused some confusion
by install hplip on machine A,
and running hp-setup there?

I'm not at all clear of the relation (if any) between hplip and CUPS?

I like hplip because it recongized my Laserjet 5L,
and claims it can clean the print-head.
(I'm slightly sceptical of this claim ...)

But I'm thinking of removing CUPS and hplip, and starting from scratch.



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Re: TV tuner, sound etc. -- what does this mean?

[William Case]

Hi Michael;

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:57 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:26:58 -0400, William wrote:
> 


> Why do you insist on avoiding mplayer like the plague? It's available
> for Fedora at rpmfusion.org, and /dev/video1 ought to be of primary
> interest.  [Unless you want to look at mythtv instead.]
> 
'mplayer' with the following settings works (kinda) for video1.

mplayer /dev/video1 -vo xv -nobps -autosync 30 -forceidx -hardframedrop
-vc ffmpeg12 -idle -menu -cache 16384 -cache-seek-min 50 -mc 0 -ni

Full video, full audio.

The picture is a little wonky but that is probably because of -vc
ffmpeg12.  I am experimenting with various mpeg video codecs and other
settings.

I can also run both tvtime and mplayer and get sound.

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Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?

[Alan Evans]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Frank Cox wrote:

> The Radeon X1550 that I had in the computer previous to this one worked
> perfectly with Fedora 10, as well.

And the X1550 seems to me to work even better with Fedora 11. Yes, I'm serious.

I'm beginning to think that I may be the only one for whom the ATI
situation improved in the transition from F10 to F11. In F10, I would
get really bad "tearing" when I moved some windows or scrolled large
web pages in Firefox, for example. Since the upgrade to F11, video
seems smooth and clean.

My requirements were not much: all I really needed was working dual
monitor. Compiz, 3D, games etc. were not a big deal for me. And X1550
is obviously not a very new card (I purchased it from a shop that
specializes in old/refurbished hardware).

So in my case, the ATI support from the radeon driver actually
improved. Imagine!

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Re: Thunderbird-3.0b3 doesn't close cleanly on Fedora 11

[g]

John Thompson wrote:
> I just updated to Fedora 11 and got TB-3.0b3 in the package. It works,
> but when I close the program it immediately pegs one of the cpu cores at
> 100% and stays that way until I manually kill the thunderbird process.
> It even does this in "safe-mode" so I don't think it's an extension issue.
> 
> Anyone else see this, or have a fix/work-around?

there have been a lot of post of problems closing firefox on firefox support
list.

most remedies seem to be to close using 'file > quit' instead of using
'x' in upper right corner of window. you might also try  to see
if that works.

another problem is with 'add-ons' keeping something running, tho opening
in 'safe-mode' should disable them.

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Re: Control of sound level has disappeared

[Aaron Konstam]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 13:33 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
> 
> > From: Aaron Konstam 
> > Subject: Control of sound level has disappeared
> > To: "Fedora-List" 
> > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:21 PM
> > After getting ausion CDs to play and
> > web videos to work by removing
> > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and in some cases the pulseaudio
> > rpm itself I am
> > left with a new problem. Neither the hardware volume
> > control above the
> > keyboard nor the volume control applet on the panel work.
> > Volume control
> > built in the the applications does work.
> > 
> > Does someone have a fix? Restoring the pulseaudio rpms does
> > not help.
> > --
> 
> Run the tried and true:
> 
> $ alsamixer -c 0
> set the sound levels to what you like and test it out.  Once you are 
> satisfied with sound levels, run
> $ su -
> passwd:
> # /sbin/alsactl store
> 
> This should keep sound settings across reboots.  If PA were still alive, you 
> would have had an extra 
> $ pauvcontrol
> to also keep PA happy :), but if it is not there, then need not worry!
> Then run above command after this one.  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Antonio 
> 
> 
  
Thanks, that fixed things
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Re: Thunderbird-3.0b3 doesn't close cleanly on Fedora 11

[Lonni J Friedman]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM, John Thompson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I just updated to Fedora 11 and got TB-3.0b3 in the package. It works,
> but when I close the program it immediately pegs one of the cpu cores at
> 100% and stays that way until I manually kill the thunderbird process.
> It even does this in "safe-mode" so I don't think it's an extension issue.
>
> Anyone else see this, or have a fix/work-around?

While I've not encountered this specific behavior, I have found that
thunderbird will often not exit properly.  The window will disappear,
yet the process will remain, not doing anything at all.  I end up
having to kill it manually.

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Re: Control of sound level has disappeared

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Aaron Konstam  wrote:

> From: Aaron Konstam 
> Subject: Control of sound level has disappeared
> To: "Fedora-List" 
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:21 PM
> After getting ausion CDs to play and
> web videos to work by removing
> alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and in some cases the pulseaudio
> rpm itself I am
> left with a new problem. Neither the hardware volume
> control above the
> keyboard nor the volume control applet on the panel work.
> Volume control
> built in the the applications does work.
> 
> Does someone have a fix? Restoring the pulseaudio rpms does
> not help.
> --

Run the tried and true:

$ alsamixer -c 0
set the sound levels to what you like and test it out.  Once you are satisfied 
with sound levels, run
$ su -
passwd:
# /sbin/alsactl store

This should keep sound settings across reboots.  If PA were still alive, you 
would have had an extra 
$ pauvcontrol
to also keep PA happy :), but if it is not there, then need not worry!
Then run above command after this one.  

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Thunderbird-3.0b3 doesn't close cleanly on Fedora 11

[John Thompson]

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I just updated to Fedora 11 and got TB-3.0b3 in the package. It works,
but when I close the program it immediately pegs one of the cpu cores at
100% and stays that way until I manually kill the thunderbird process.
It even does this in "safe-mode" so I don't think it's an extension issue.

Anyone else see this, or have a fix/work-around?

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Control of sound level has disappeared

[Aaron Konstam]

After getting ausion CDs to play and web videos to work by removing
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and in some cases the pulseaudio rpm itself I am
left with a new problem. Neither the hardware volume control above the
keyboard nor the volume control applet on the panel work. Volume control
built in the the applications does work.

Does someone have a fix? Restoring the pulseaudio rpms does not help.
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Re: Pulseaudio being abandoned?

[Michael Cronenworth]

jack craig on 07/28/2009 03:06 PM wrote:
> 
> from my point of view, PA has a huge row to hoe, but they are doing a
> good job where its sorely needed.

I didn't start this thread to be a PA versus ALSA debate. Please keep it
on topic.

> 
> have you looked at
> 

Yes, I'm aware of the "glitch-free" system that F11 is supposed to
contain, but I've heard enough glitches from multiple systems to put
doubt in these claims by Lennart.

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Re: grub: splash screen resolution

[Konstantin Svist]

Kam Leo wrote:
> Try appending a "vga=341" to the kernel stanza of grub. Get other
> supported vga values by entering "vga=ask".
>   


That's for kernel resolution, which is applied right after grub.
François is talking about grub itself, however.

I don't think it's possible to change grub's resolution but if there's a
way, I'd like to know too.


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Re: Pulseaudio being abandoned?

[jack craig]

On 07/28/2009 12:43 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

F10: PA was nice. It worked well. Audio volume levels were consistent
and correct. Audio output was acceptable and responsive.

F11: System-wide volume levels are manipulated by Rhythmbox and Totem to
random levels (mostly 100%) on start-up and you can change it by simply
changing the volume inside of RB or Totem. Why was this change made? You
might as well dump PA and go back to bare ALSA if this is the new
standard. Playback can sometimes become jumpy on even the most power
multi-core 64-bit 3ghz systems.

The new gnome-volume-control prog (not applet) has some nice, random
race conditions with PA. They'll compete for 100% CPU time and
occasionally PA will shut down because of this.

Yes, bugs[1] are filed. It seems Lennart is MIA? I haven't seen any PA
updates in a while and bug reports are not being attended to.

A bluez update the past few days just crapped on the, once, working A2DP
support.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488532

   
i dont share that view. my PA problem was more complicated than simple 
volume levels.


despite the bug in the alsa driver, i was able to locate the PA gang and 
get guidance
from them to work around this defect. (lennart directed me to the 
#pulseaudio on freenode last night)


i also posted the event to the alsa developers list, but have had no 
reply or comment.


from my point of view, PA has a huge row to hoe, but they are doing a 
good job where its sorely needed.


have you looked at

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse-glitch-free.html

or

http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/05/sound-of-fedora-11.html

i found it informative, fyi, ...


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OpenOffice stock pictures path

[Michael Cronenworth]

Every upgrade to OO.org has resulted in a few of my documents missing
pictures. The pictures in question were OO.org stock pictures. In
particular, a ruler picture I used becomes a grey rectangle after
updating Fedora (9, 10, now 11).

Example:
OO.org 3.0
/usr/lib/openoffice.org/basis3.0/
became
OO.org 3.1
/usr/lib/openoffice.org/basis3.1/

I have to edit my documents to the new path so they work again.

Is there something I'm doing wrong or does OO.org (or the Fedora RPM)
need a change?

Thanks,
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Pulseaudio being abandoned?

[Michael Cronenworth]

F10: PA was nice. It worked well. Audio volume levels were consistent
and correct. Audio output was acceptable and responsive.

F11: System-wide volume levels are manipulated by Rhythmbox and Totem to
random levels (mostly 100%) on start-up and you can change it by simply
changing the volume inside of RB or Totem. Why was this change made? You
might as well dump PA and go back to bare ALSA if this is the new
standard. Playback can sometimes become jumpy on even the most power
multi-core 64-bit 3ghz systems.

The new gnome-volume-control prog (not applet) has some nice, random
race conditions with PA. They'll compete for 100% CPU time and
occasionally PA will shut down because of this.

Yes, bugs[1] are filed. It seems Lennart is MIA? I haven't seen any PA
updates in a while and bug reports are not being attended to.

A bluez update the past few days just crapped on the, once, working A2DP
support.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488532

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flash problems with Fedora 11 23-bit

[Hugh Caley]

So, solved about half my problems with Flash by adding an old CMedia 
audio card



Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)


 and not using the built-in SiS audio controller:

Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 
Sound Controller (rev a0)


Completely fixes my stuttering audio problem and now I can play videos 
using the flash plugin, at least for a while.


Now, usually, an embedded youtube video will play just after I restart 
the browser.  The main problem is that, after a while, firefox will peg 
my cpu even if no video is playing, and sometimes the videos will play 
only (and poorly) while I'm wiggling the mouse on top of them.


I am using the proprietary driver for my nvidia 6200 card.

Any ideas of other things to try?  I currently have "Desktop Effects" 
(Compiz) turned on, but turning it off makes little difference.  I'm 
using Firefox 3.5, but 3.0 seems about the same in terms of Flash problems.


Hugh

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Re: KpackageKit error: Repository configuration was invalid

[Kam Leo]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 09:53 -0700, Keith wrote:
>> Linuxguy123 wrote:
>
>> >
>> > a) I don't have a repository called "InstallMedia".
>> >
>> > b) Its highly annoying that this error keeps popping up and that it
>> > can't be turned off.  It was appearing the other day too and I finally
>> > turned it off by turning off the yum-updatesd service.  But now it seems
>> > to appear even though that is turned off. FRUSTRATING !
>> >
>> > I've done a yum clean all and yum clean expire-cache.  It still occurs.
>> >
>> > How do I fix this ?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>>  It is looking for a install drive like a DVD or CD-rom. You need to go
>> into your settings and turn it off.
>>
>
> I looked in kpackagekit->settings->Origins of Packages and I don't have
> anything to disable that looks related to a DVD or CDROM.  Any ideas ?
>
> Thanks for the reply !
>
> LG

Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/Fedora-install-media.repo. Change to "enabled=1"
to "enabled=0".

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Re: Q about alsamixer:CD

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Mike Wright wrote:
> 
> I just tested that setup.  Make sure audio cable is in place; attach kb
> volume controls to CD; play CD; test CD volume control on alsamixer;
> test kb volume controls:  no effect.
> 
> To make sure I rebooted and checked BIOS controls for sound (none).  I
> guess it's possible the m/b CD input and/or the audio cable is broken.
> 
> But at least I've found a viable means of controlling sound so I'm a
> happy camper now.
> 
Make sure that the application is set to use analog rather then
digital output from the CD-ROM drive if you want to use the analog
cable. The other thing to be careful about if you added the cable is
to make sure it is wired correctly. Some are wired wrong for
specific combinations of CD-ROM and sound card.

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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[jack craig]

On 07/28/2009 11:04 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:



I cannot be sure if your problem will be fixed, because I do not have any
sound problem it has been a long time, but I do not use alsa-driver from
any Fedora kernel either (no criticism here). If you really think the
problem
is in the kernel, it is the best you can do (or try an older kernel).

In case you want to go back, uninstall it and reboot. Try the rpm. It is
easier:

http://atrpms.net/name/alsa-driver/ (you just need the appropriate kmdl).

Do not forget to reboot and set appropriate volumes.

   

hi paulo,

first, let me thank you for your reply.
second, let me say that i found a workaround for this alsa driver bug 
from the #pulseaudio gang.
lastly, i am posting this event/results to the alsa-dev group to 
encourage their fixing the driver.


thx! jackc...


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Re: F11 on Dell Studio 17

[Jim]

On 07/28/2009 04:55 AM, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:

Dell Studio 17
I just installed on Studio Hybrid without any hitches, except with the 
Intel vga at initial install, I had to feed the kernel a command 
"nomodeset" to get past the video card.
But after I completed the Install and reboot, Linux had no problems with 
the Intel chipset, it had all the Intel drivers.

The Wireless card would be the only problem if any.

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Re: KpackageKit error: Repository configuration was invalid

[Linuxguy123]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 09:53 -0700, Keith wrote:
> Linuxguy123 wrote:

> > 
> > a) I don't have a repository called "InstallMedia".
> > 
> > b) Its highly annoying that this error keeps popping up and that it
> > can't be turned off.  It was appearing the other day too and I finally
> > turned it off by turning off the yum-updatesd service.  But now it seems
> > to appear even though that is turned off. FRUSTRATING !
> > 
> > I've done a yum clean all and yum clean expire-cache.  It still occurs.
> > 
> > How do I fix this ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
>  It is looking for a install drive like a DVD or CD-rom. You need to go
> into your settings and turn it off.
> 

I looked in kpackagekit->settings->Origins of Packages and I don't have
anything to disable that looks related to a DVD or CDROM.  Any ideas ? 

Thanks for the reply !

LG


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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update. SOLVED

[jack craig]

On 07/28/2009 09:07 AM, jack craig wrote:

On 07/28/2009 03:10 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:37, Stephan 
Sachse  wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 18:02, jack 
craig  wrote:

On 07/24/2009 03:05 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:

so where do we go from here? is there a pulseaudio support team? 
anyone?

thx, jackc...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/


kernel-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 works fine for me...
kernel-2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 has the sound problem for me (on my
notebook and my workstation).

sadly, my issue is not so easy as a muted setting. for me, i am using 
mplayer

to play a web audio stream.

upon launch, audio fires up, but then dies shortly there after with 
throttling / latency issues.


exhibit A, ...

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_delay() 
returned a value that is exceptionally large: 343432 bytes (1946 ms).
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: Most likely this is 
a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_intel8x0'. Please report this issue to 
the ALSA developers.

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_dump():
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: Hardware PCM card 0 
'Intel 82801DB-ICH4' device 0 subdevice 0

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   stream   : 
PLAYBACK
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   access   : 
MMAP_INTERLEAVED
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   format   : 
S16_LE

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   subformat: STD
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   channels : 2
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   rate : 44100
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   exact rate   : 
44100 (44100/1)

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   msbits   : 16
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   buffer_size  : 16384
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_size  : 16384
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_time  : 
371519
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   tstamp_mode  : 
ENABLE

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_step  : 1
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   avail_min: 16384
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_event : 0
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   start_threshold  
: -1
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   stop_threshold   
: 1073741824

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   silence_threshold: 0
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   silence_size : 0
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   boundary : 
1073741824
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   appl_ptr : 
1053834
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   hw_ptr   : 
967976
Jul 27 09:27:19 ws pulseaudio[20594]: sink-input.c: Freeing input 5 
"Simple DirectMedia Layer"

Jul 27 09:27:19 ws pulseaudio[20594]: client.c: Freed 8 "MPlayer"
Jul 27 09:27:19 ws pulseaudio[20594]: protocol-native.c: Connection died.

so, any alsa developers reading?!

next? thx, jackc...

after a chat with the guys on #pulseaudio, they suggested the 
glitch-free disable and so far that is working like a champ for me.


so, seems like the majority of folks getting no sound have a slider not 
set right,
but folks getting the bug error as above might well try the tsched=0 
trick that worked for me...


hth.

thx for the group feedback, back to work now, jackc...


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Re: Q about alsamixer:CD

[Mike Wright]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Mike Wright wrote:

Hi all,

I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress.  One
question that remains after years of fedora:

  In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available
under preferences is CD.

My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control.  I've
connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no
effect.  (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?)

So here's the 50cent question.  Just what does the CD input control?

Inquiring minds want to know ;/


It controls the input labeled on CD on the sound card. This will
only produce output if you have the analog audio cable between the
CD-ROM drive and the sound card. The reason you use the PCM input to
control the CD volume is because the player is getting the data from
the drive over the (S)IDE interface, and feeding the digital data to
the PCM input of the sound card.


Thanks for the reply, Mikkel.

I just tested that setup.  Make sure audio cable is in place; attach kb
volume controls to CD; play CD; test CD volume control on alsamixer; 
test kb volume controls:  no effect.


To make sure I rebooted and checked BIOS controls for sound (none).  I 
guess it's possible the m/b CD input and/or the audio cable is broken.


But at least I've found a viable means of controlling sound so I'm a 
happy camper now.


:m)

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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM, jack craig wrote:

>  On 07/28/2009 09:20 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, jack craig  
> wrote:
>
>
>
>   On 07/28/2009 04:55 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:10, Stephan Sachse 
>   
>  wrote:
>
>
>  kernel-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 works fine for me...
> kernel-2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 has the sound problem for me (on my
> notebook and my workstation).
>
>
>  -211 works fine...
>
> looks like this issue is caused by the removed patch in 
> #498858https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514213
>
>yup, that is what i see too.  given this failure, is htere a way to
> unpatch the patch until the bug is fixed properly?
>
>
>
>  Of course. You can install the latest alsa-driver (1.0.20),
> either compiling from source, or installing an rpm.
>
> This will avoid using the alsa driver form the kernel.
>
>
>
>  hi paulo,
>
> do you know for a fact this defect is fixed in the src or this is just a
> wag?
>

I cannot be sure if your problem will be fixed, because I do not have any
sound problem it has been a long time, but I do not use alsa-driver from
any Fedora kernel either (no criticism here). If you really think the
problem
is in the kernel, it is the best you can do (or try an older kernel).

In case you want to go back, uninstall it and reboot. Try the rpm. It is
easier:

http://atrpms.net/name/alsa-driver/ (you just need the appropriate kmdl).

Do not forget to reboot and set appropriate volumes.

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Re: Why is my load ave so high now? [Now I know why!]

[Rick Stevens]

Kevin J. Cummings wrote:

On 07/27/2009 02:26 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

You see a bunch of NFS-related things in a "D" state and you wonder why
it's slow?


Yes.  Mostly because the machine accessing the NFS mounts has been
re-booted a couple of times.


If you have processes in an I/O wait (a.k.a. "D") state, that'll bog
stuff down badly...especially if the NFS mounts are mounted "hard".


Well, tonight I rebooted the server with NFS turned off.  When it
booted, I saw a load average between 1 and 2.  That's all.  When it
re-booted, ivtv started back up, despite my blacklisting it and removing
it from modprobe.conf.  However, ivtvfb did not get installed.
I also noticed that BOINC started right up again.  With astropulse
grabbing all the idle cpu time, my load average was still between 1 and 2.

So, I decided that NFS was my problem, but I'm still not sure why.

So, I tried a couple of things.  My laptop references a few directories
on my server via NFS and autofs.

So, I started nfs again on the server (service nfs start)

Load average remains between 1 and 2.  So far so good.


From the laptop, I did a "cd /net/kjc386".  I can then do an ls and see

all of the exported filesystems.  Continues to look good.

"ls home" lists the directories in the server's exported /home dir.
nfs does the work, and disappears from the top -i that I have running.
Great.

Next I do a "ls c:" to look at the old WINDOWS partition on my server.
HANG!  I can't interrupt the ls with ^C nor ^Z.  I have to kill it from
another process.  When I do, the hung nfs processes on the server stay
hung.  After it collects all 8 allowed nfs processes, nothing more nfs
works to the server, and the load average climbs roughly 1 per nfs
process (I watched the load average increase with each new nfs process
that appeared).

So, I guess my question is what's broken with NFS between my F11 laptop
and the F10 server


I could see where "ls c:" might be interpreted by the system as trying
to find an NFS machine called "c".  An NFS mount command is:

mount -t nfs server:/sharename /mountpoint

Perhaps F11 is trying to invoke an automount of an NFS share from server
"c" to satisfy your "ls" command.  That'd be wild!

I haven't tried this.  perhaps you've found a very subtle bug in F11's
NFS client implementation.  Could you run a wireshark or tcpdump and
watch for NFS traffic when you do that "ls c:" command?  If you do,
then I'd file a bugzilla PDQ (pretty damned quick).

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Re: Q about alsamixer:CD

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson <
mik...@infinity-ltd.com> wrote:

> Mike Wright wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress.  One
> > question that remains after years of fedora:
> >
> >   In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available
> > under preferences is CD.
> >
> > My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control.  I've
> > connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no
> > effect.  (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?)
> >
> > So here's the 50cent question.  Just what does the CD input control?
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know ;/
> >
> It controls the input labeled on CD on the sound card. This will
> only produce output if you have the analog audio cable between the
> CD-ROM drive and the sound card. The reason you use the PCM input to
> control the CD volume is because the player is getting the data from
> the drive over the (S)IDE interface, and feeding the digital data to
> the PCM input of the sound card.
>

If I remember well, grip is one application that gets the sound via
the anlog cable.



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Prelink failed

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I got a strange error after prelink ran, something about an 
error in line 57, I think. Stupidly, I deleted the system email, 
but I still have the prelink log and thare are loads and loads 
of "X could not be prelink because its dependency could not be 
prelinked" errors.

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Re: Mute button on T61 doesn't work in F11

[Mike Wright]

Hi Matthew,

I've lost the original message-id so I've started a new thread with the 
same subject (nabble, gmane, etc. don't provide the original message 
headers).


I'm guessing that your mute control and volume controls have become 
attached to different sound channels.


I had a similar problem on f10.  I listen to a radio tuner that's fed 
into "Line In".


At first the kb mute, volume up, and volume down buttons worked.  Then 
the mute button went on vacation, i.e. when pressed the popup would show 
muted but the sound was not muted.  Then yesterday morning I popped in a 
 CD which brought up Rhythmbox.  Volume AND mute buttons were both 
working.  Well, me thinks, this is cool.


After the CD finished I went back to my radio on Line In but then none 
of the keyboard controls worked. :(


It turns out that there is the system volume control (by default on the 
default toolbar), the volume controls on the alsamixer, and another 
controller found at System->Preferences->Hardware->Sound.  From there go 
 to Default Mixer Tracks and choose (Alsa mixer) from the dropdown box. 
 There you will see the same controls as on the alsamixer.  By holding 
shift-control one can select multiple channels to control from the 
keyboard.  (I deselected master and selected both PCM and Line-in).


Voila'.  Now the main volume control handles the master channel and the 
keyboard controls pcm and line-in.  Since I only use one at a time there 
is no conflict for me.


What had happened?  Can't say for sure but it seems the the mute button 
had become attached to pcm while volume controls were attached to 
line-in (which later moved mysteriously to pcm).


So... there is definitely a bug in there somewhere but I don't know 
enough yet to help track it down.


Hope that helps.
:m)

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Re: grub: splash screen resolution

[Kam Leo]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:27 AM, François
Patte wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Bonjour,
>
> A small problem: I have a 1400x900 monitor on my laptop, so the grug
> splashcreen spread on it is ugly
>
> Is there a command to add at the grub.conf file to get a better
> resolution for the splashscreen..
>
> Thank you.
>
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Try appending a "vga=341" to the kernel stanza of grub. Get other
supported vga values by entering "vga=ask".

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Re: Status of a 2.6.30 kernel ? Other sources for a 2.6.30 kernel.

[Bill Davidsen]

Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:38:03 -0400,
  Bill Davidsen  wrote:
  
I don't see a .30 kernel on rawhide, or in updates-testing for FC10, the 



You might have to go back a ways but there were 2.6.30 rawhide kernels.

  

jump may be waiting on confirmation of this:
  http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/18/0136224
although GCC would seem broken if it really generates the code claimed,  
initializing a variable does not prevent it from being NULL. I'm unsere 
if this is a problem, but it might be held back until checked.



No gcc isn't broken. Deferencing a null pointer is an undefined operation.

  

Obviously, but if you read (reread?) the report:

   if (!tun)
   return POLLERR;  // if tun is NULL return error

   This code looks perfectly ok, right? Well, it is, until the compiler
   takes this into its hands. While optimizing the code, the compiler will
   see that the variable has already been assigned and will actually
   remove the if block (the check if tun is NULL) completely from the
   resulting compiled code.
 

The claim is that the test is optimized away, and that would seem to be 
a separate issue from using the value of tun before testing.
Note that I was pointing out the report, not making any claims that it 
was correct. That's what the "until checked" in my post meant, someone 
should verify that the compiler doesn't have a bug separate from the 
dereference.


I wouldn't have written it that way at all, putting the initialize in 
the definition, but it could be written


   struct sock *sk = (tun ? tun->sk : NULL);  // initialize sk with tun->sk

which would avoid the dereference, but making the code even more obscure 
than tunnel code must be.


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Re: Samsung Laser printers and F10/11?

[Mike Cloaked]

Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> I have also now tested scanning on the scx-4500w now.  
> 
> 

There is now a wiki entry with all the known details about this printer
setup at
http://userbase.kde.org/Troubleshooting/Samsung_scx-4500W
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Re: Q about alsamixer:CD

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Mike Wright wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress.  One
> question that remains after years of fedora:
> 
>   In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available
> under preferences is CD.
> 
> My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control.  I've
> connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no
> effect.  (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?)
> 
> So here's the 50cent question.  Just what does the CD input control?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know ;/
> 
It controls the input labeled on CD on the sound card. This will
only produce output if you have the analog audio cable between the
CD-ROM drive and the sound card. The reason you use the PCM input to
control the CD volume is because the player is getting the data from
the drive over the (S)IDE interface, and feeding the digital data to
the PCM input of the sound card.

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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Tim Waugh wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:11 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> I'm trying to set up a printer attached to machine A
>> so that I can print from laptop B.
> [...]
>> Both A and B are running Fedora-11.
>
> The way this is meant to work is:
>
> 1. On machine A, set 'Share printers connected to this system', either
> using System->Administration->Printing or with the CUPS web interface
>
> 2. On laptop B, adjust the firewall so that IPP UDP packets are allowed
> in.
>
> 3. On machine A, plug in the printer.
>
> The queue is automatically created and shared.
>
> You can do things in a different order, it just might take more time for
> the queue to show up on the laptop.
>
> Tim.

As far as I know the firewall on both machines will need to be
modified. I'm trying to remember this from memory but I believe there
is an option for IPP and one is labeled as (Server) and one is labeled
as (Client). Machine A will need the server option checked and machine
B will need the client option checked.

Richard

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Re: Top-Posting was Re: Problem with Fire Fox

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 09:41 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > Ok. Now, I want a good clean fight. No hitting below the
> > belt unless
> > you slip me a c-note first!
> > 
> > Ok . Frank gets the blue corner and Wendell the red
> > corner.
> > 
> > 
> > Ding Ding
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> You forgot the announcement:
> 
> Lad..ies and Gentle...men are you ready to rumble :)
> 
> The only problem is that nowadays boxing is not as fun as it used to be :(
> 15 rounds till one person is knocked out :)  No judges, none of that stuff :) 
>  And by the way no ear bites :)

Not to mention those stuck with using Yahoo as a MUA, meaning their
replies aren't properly threaded ...

poc

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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:31:47 +0100
Tim Waugh wrote:

> The queue is automatically created and shared.

Unless, of course, you have unchecked the "Show printers shared
by other systems" checkbox in the cups admin web interface
(which I have to do here at work to prevent me from seeing
a lot of printers scattered around the building I don't
want to show up :-).

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Re: Which is the correct way to report a bug ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 16:40 +0200, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:
> Il 28/07/2009 15:47, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto:
> > On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:49 +0200, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:
> >> I'm aware about bugzilla but I'd like to be sure HOW to report this.
> 
> >> The problem seems related to the intel driver.
> >>   From /var/log/messages the first line is:
> >>
> >> "Kernel BUG at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem:2241!"
> >
> > Start be checking if anyone has already reported it. In this case, it
> > looks very much like one I reported recently:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510948
> >
> 
> Thanks Patrick, looks very similar but it's different!
> I was effected by the same "mesa bug" as well, but downgrading mesa 
> don't resolve my problem.
> 
> I filled this:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514240

I think the real problem is likely to be in the Intel driver code, it's
just that one version of Mesa tickles it and another doesn't. The fact
that the Kernel itself reports a bug is indicative of this. A library
should not be able to cause this kind of behaviour under any
circumstances.

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Re: KpackageKit error: Repository configuration was invalid

[Keith]

Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I am getting an error message from KpackageKit every few minutes.
> "Repository configuration was invalid and could not be read."
> 
> Details:
> "Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository:
> InstallMedia. Please verify its path and try again"
> 
> # yum repolist
> Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities,
> refresh-packagekit
> repo id  repo name status
> fedora Fedora 11 - i386 enabled: 13,289
> livna rpm.livna.org for 11 - i386 enabled:  3
> rpmfusion-free RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Free enabled:377
> rpmfusion-free-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Free - Updates
> enabled: 204
> rpmfusion-nonfree RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree enabled:110
> rpmfusion-nonfree-updates  RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree - Updates
> enabled:115
> updates  Fedora 11 - i386 - Updates  enabled:  3,564
> 
> 
> a) I don't have a repository called "InstallMedia".
> 
> b) Its highly annoying that this error keeps popping up and that it
> can't be turned off.  It was appearing the other day too and I finally
> turned it off by turning off the yum-updatesd service.  But now it seems
> to appear even though that is turned off. FRUSTRATING !
> 
> I've done a yum clean all and yum clean expire-cache.  It still occurs.
> 
> How do I fix this ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
 It is looking for a install drive like a DVD or CD-rom. You need to go
into your settings and turn it off.


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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[jack craig]

On 07/28/2009 09:20 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, jack craigwrote:

   

  On 07/28/2009 04:55 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:10, Stephan Sachse  
  wrote:


  kernel-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 works fine for me...
kernel-2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 has the sound problem for me (on my
notebook and my workstation).


  -211 works fine...

looks like this issue is caused by the removed patch in #498858
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514213

yup, that is what i see too.  given this failure, is htere a way to
unpatch the patch until the bug is fixed properly?

 



Of course. You can install the latest alsa-driver (1.0.20),
either compiling from source, or installing an rpm.

This will avoid using the alsa driver form the kernel.

   

hi paulo,

do you know for a fact this defect is fixed in the src or this is just a 
wag?


thx! jackc...

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Re: Top-Posting was Re: Problem with Fire Fox

[Antonio Olivares]

> Ok. Now, I want a good clean fight. No hitting below the
> belt unless
> you slip me a c-note first!
> 
> Ok . Frank gets the blue corner and Wendell the red
> corner.
> 
> 
> Ding Ding
> 
> -- 

You forgot the announcement:

Lad..ies and Gentle...men are you ready to rumble :)

The only problem is that nowadays boxing is not as fun as it used to be :(
15 rounds till one person is knocked out :)  No judges, none of that stuff :)  
And by the way no ear bites :)

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: yum cleanup

[Todd Denniston]

Bill Davidsen wrote, On 07/25/2009 08:32 PM:
I have been running yum with keepcache=1 to save rpms I install. Being 
busy I seem to have gotten several versions of some packages in 
/var/cache/yum. Is there a command which will delete anything listed in 
obsoletes without losing my copy of the most recent?  I create a local 
archive of recent rpms to be nice to my network.


Using 'yum clean' does too much. :-(


repomanage -c -k 2 --old path/to/cacheOfRPMs/ > removethese.txt
#and then (after sanity checking removethese.txt)
for i in `cat removethese.txt`;do rm $i;done

might get you close.
Note, AFAIK the repomanage command does NOT have to be ran against a YUM repo.

Note 2, using -k 1 keeps 1 vs -k 2 keeping 2.

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Q about alsamixer:CD

[Mike Wright]

Hi all,

I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress.  One 
question that remains after years of fedora:


  In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available 
under preferences is CD.


My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control.  I've 
connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no 
effect.  (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?)


So here's the 50cent question.  Just what does the CD input control?

Inquiring minds want to know ;/

:m)

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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Tim Waugh]

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:11 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a printer attached to machine A
> so that I can print from laptop B.
[...]
> Both A and B are running Fedora-11.

The way this is meant to work is:

1. On machine A, set 'Share printers connected to this system', either
using System->Administration->Printing or with the CUPS web interface

2. On laptop B, adjust the firewall so that IPP UDP packets are allowed
in.

3. On machine A, plug in the printer.

The queue is automatically created and shared.

You can do things in a different order, it just might take more time for
the queue to show up on the laptop.

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Re: lib64

[Frank Murphy]

On 28/07/09 17:16, Patrick Dupre wrote:
,snip>


Did you install Acrobat with yum , or from source?
As I have just installed it as a test and do not get the error.


OK, I did not install with yum, this is my mistake.






Look at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash

Enabling Flash Plugin
it will tell you how to get the adobe.repo

Next after repo setup.
$ yum list AdobeReader* and install language of choice.

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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, jack craig wrote:

>  On 07/28/2009 04:55 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:10, Stephan Sachse 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  kernel-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 works fine for me...
> kernel-2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 has the sound problem for me (on my
> notebook and my workstation).
>
>
>  -211 works fine...
>
> looks like this issue is caused by the removed patch in #498858
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514213
>
>yup, that is what i see too.  given this failure, is htere a way to
> unpatch the patch until the bug is fixed properly?
>


Of course. You can install the latest alsa-driver (1.0.20),
either compiling from source, or installing an rpm.

This will avoid using the alsa driver form the kernel.

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Re: Top-Posting was Re: Problem with Fire Fox

[Bruno Wolff III]

> On 28/07/09 15:25, Wendell Nichols wrote:
>> Where did all this top posting facisim come from in the first place?  It
>> makes it much harder to read hundreds of postings when I have to scroll
>> to the bottom of every post so see whats been added!  Mail readers
>> display mail from the TOP.  Arggg

You don't need to do that if messages are properly trimmed. If you have to
scroll before reading any added text, then most likely the previous responder
didn't do their job properly.

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Re: I don't understand CUPS any more

[Frank Murphy]

On 28/07/09 17:11, Timothy Murphy wrote:

I'm trying to set up a printer attached to machine A
so that I can print from laptop B.

The printer is an old HP Laserjet 5L.

Both A and B are running Fedora-11.
When I upgraded A from Fedora-10,
I decided to use the hpijs driver (possibly foolishly?)
The printer seems to work fine on machine A,
to which it is attached through the parallel port.




Have you the printer as shared on A


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Re: lib64

[Patrick Dupre]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Frank Murphy wrote:


On 28/07/09 16:17, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

Trying to load acroread, I get an error:
/opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading
shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory
libxml2 is really installed, but libxml2.so in in /usr/lib64 and
propably not in /usr/lib where it expected.


Did you install Acrobat with yum , or from source?
As I have just installed it as a test and do not get the error.


OK, I did not install with yum, this is my mistake.




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I don't understand CUPS any more

[Timothy Murphy]

I'm trying to set up a printer attached to machine A
so that I can print from laptop B.

The printer is an old HP Laserjet 5L.

Both A and B are running Fedora-11.
When I upgraded A from Fedora-10,
I decided to use the hpijs driver (possibly foolishly?)
The printer seems to work fine on machine A,
to which it is attached through the parallel port.

Now I am trying to setup printing from laptop B.
So I go to  on the laptop,
and go to Administration>>Add Printer .

I'm offered a choice between Local Printers
and Other Network Printers.
(Discovered Network Printers appears to be blank.)

I don't know whether my printer is Local or Network?

I'm going to try for Network>>AppSocket/HP JetDirect .
(I have no idea what this means,
but I see that the "Network Printers" help page says,
"The AppSocket protocol (sometimes also called the JetDirect protocol, 
owing to its origins with the HP JetDirect network interfaces) 
is the simplest, fastest, and generally the most reliable 
network protocol used for printers."
I give the URI as socket:192.168.2.1:9100 , and Continue.
After giving the Name, Description and Location I Continue again.
I give Make: HP and Continue.
I choose Model: HP Laserjet 5L Foomatic/hpijs (en) and Add Printer.
I'm offered Default Printer Options, where I choose Page Size: A4
and press Set Default Options.
I'm told the printer has been set up correctly.

I click on Maintenance>>Print Test Page
but nothing comes out of the printer.
I am told (on Show All Jobs)
that the job is "pending".
There is no error listed in /var/log/cups/error_log,
while /var/log/cups/access_log says
"POST /printers/lj HTTP/1.1" 200 479 Print-Job successful-ok

I see in /var/log/cups/error_log on Machine A (192.168.2.1)
E [28/Jul/2009:14:45:06 +0100] Unable to bind socket for address
 192.168.2.4:631 - Cannot assign requested address.
E [28/Jul/2009:14:45:06 +0100] Unable to bind socket for address
 192.168.2.4:9100 - Cannot assign requested address.

In /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on machine A I have
---
Listen *:631
Listen *:9100
---

I see that on the laptop I can say
---
[...@carrie ~]$ telnet 192.168.2.1 9100
Trying 192.168.2.1...
Connected to 192.168.2.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
^]
telnet> quit
Connection closed.
[...@carrie ~]$ telnet 192.168.2.1 631
Trying 192.168.2.1...
Connected to 192.168.2.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
^]
telnet> quit
Connection closed.
---

Any enlightenment gratefully received ...






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keyboard types wrong keys in vncviewer

[Kevin Kempter]

Hi all;

I have a ubuntu box where I setup a vncserver

However when I connect to it with a client and try and type I get garbage as 
opposed to the keys I type

Thoughts?


Thanks in advance

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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[jack craig]

On 07/28/2009 04:55 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:10, Stephan Sachse  wrote:
   

kernel-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 works fine for me...
kernel-2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 has the sound problem for me (on my
notebook and my workstation).
 


-211 works fine...

looks like this issue is caused by the removed patch in #498858

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514213

   
yup, that is what i see too.  given this failure, is htere a way to 
unpatch the patch until the bug is fixed properly?


thx, jackc...


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Re: TV tuner, sound etc. -- what does this mean?

[William Case]

Hi Michael;

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 17:57 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:26:58 -0400, William wrote:
> 
> > Since I have no 'Line'
> 
> Your onboard audio doeso have 'Line' (analog audio input), but it's not
> connected with your tv card.
> 
> > the next obvious control choice I have in alsa is 'PCM'
> 
> Why? This is the "sample output volume". Unlike music players,
> tvtime doesn't output any samples.
> 
> [...]

Ooh !  Back to using 'Line'.

> Why do you insist on avoiding mplayer like the plague? It's available
> for Fedora at rpmfusion.org, and /dev/video1 ought to be of primary
> interest.  [Unless you want to look at mythtv instead.
> 
I have already downloaded mplayer.  Becasue of the experience I had the
last time I tried it, I wanted to get a few uninterrupted hours alone
with it.  The last few days have been taken up with other things.  So
will be today.  I will try to get mplayer going first thing in the
morning.

  
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Re: pulseaudio breaks after update today.

[jack craig]

On 07/28/2009 03:10 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:37, Stephan Sachse  wrote:
   

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 18:02, jack craig  wrote:
 

On 07/24/2009 03:05 AM, Stephan Sachse wrote:

so where do we go from here? is there a pulseaudio support team? anyone?
thx, jackc...
   

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
 


kernel-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 works fine for me...
kernel-2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 has the sound problem for me (on my
notebook and my workstation).

   
sadly, my issue is not so easy as a muted setting. for me, i am using 
mplayer

to play a web audio stream.

upon launch, audio fires up, but then dies shortly there after with 
throttling / latency issues.


exhibit A, ...

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_delay() 
returned a value that is exceptionally large: 343432 bytes (1946 ms).
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: Most likely this is a 
bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_intel8x0'. Please report this issue to the 
ALSA developers.

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_dump():
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: Hardware PCM card 0 
'Intel 82801DB-ICH4' device 0 subdevice 0

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   stream   : PLAYBACK
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   access   : 
MMAP_INTERLEAVED

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   format   : S16_LE
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   subformat: STD
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   channels : 2
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   rate : 44100
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   exact rate   : 
44100 (44100/1)

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   msbits   : 16
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   buffer_size  : 16384
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_size  : 16384
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_time  : 371519
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   tstamp_mode  : ENABLE
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_step  : 1
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   avail_min: 16384
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   period_event : 0
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   start_threshold  : -1
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   stop_threshold   : 
1073741824

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   silence_threshold: 0
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   silence_size : 0
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   boundary : 
1073741824

Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   appl_ptr : 1053834
Jul 27 09:27:15 ws pulseaudio[20594]: alsa-util.c:   hw_ptr   : 967976
Jul 27 09:27:19 ws pulseaudio[20594]: sink-input.c: Freeing input 5 
"Simple DirectMedia Layer"

Jul 27 09:27:19 ws pulseaudio[20594]: client.c: Freed 8 "MPlayer"
Jul 27 09:27:19 ws pulseaudio[20594]: protocol-native.c: Connection died.

so, any alsa developers reading?!

next? thx, jackc...

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Re: Soundcard works but no sound... how do I troubleshoot ?

[William Case]

Hi;
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 09:33 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 11:08 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > Hi;

> There isn't just one bug, there are several.  The whole linux sound
> setup is currently a mess in my opinion.

You are probably right.  

> I even had sound for system events from time to time.  I have
> no idea why it decided to start working.

That is what is happening to me.  I got all my system beeps and baps
back for no apparent reason, but lost the little tune that plays on
login. ???

> 
> Do I need to mention that sound was fine in F10 and that all of this is
> extremely frustrating ?

No need to mention it.  Everybody (or at least a lot of people) are
having the same experience.
> 
> I can't even file a bug report on this because the symptoms are changing
> with every reboot.
> 

If its any consolation and it probably isn't, I remember the same pain
with the first few versions of Fedora and the CUPS printing setup.  Now
printing is almost too easy.  Any printer mistakes I make are because I
think it can't be this easy; there has to be a few more configuration
steps.  Fedora has probably developed the easiest, smoothest printer and
networked printer server I have seen.  But it took several Fedora
versions and a lot of refining by a determined maintainer.

It is the same story with networking + wireless -- it is almost there.

I believe in the end ALSA + PulseAudio is the way to go, but everybody
is going to have to work at it.

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Re: lib64

[Frank Murphy]

On 28/07/09 16:17, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

Trying to load acroread, I get an error:
/opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading
shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory
libxml2 is really installed, but libxml2.so in in /usr/lib64 and
propably not in /usr/lib where it expected.


Did you install Acrobat with yum , or from source?
As I have just installed it as a test and do not get the error.

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Re: TV tuner, sound etc. -- what does this mean?

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:26:58 -0400, William wrote:

> Hi Michael
> 
> Do you mind if I keep banging away at this with your off-list
> assistance?  I will not be offended if you respond that this issue
> should remain on-list or that you have given up on my particular
> problem.

It's better to keep it on the public list, so other users can
read it and possibly add comments.

> Since I have no 'Line'

Your onboard audio doeso have 'Line' (analog audio input), but it's not
connected with your tv card.

> the next obvious control choice I have in alsa is 'PCM'

Why? This is the "sample output volume". Unlike music players,
tvtime doesn't output any samples.

[...]

Why do you insist on avoiding mplayer like the plague? It's available
for Fedora at rpmfusion.org, and /dev/video1 ought to be of primary
interest.  [Unless you want to look at mythtv instead.]

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RE: lib64

[Patrick Dupre]

Thank



Hello,

Trying to load acroread, I get an error:
/opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading
shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory

libxml2 is really installed, but libxml2.so in in /usr/lib64 and propably not in
/usr/lib where it expected.

How do I fix this problem ?


Hello,

You can install the libxml2 32 bit libraries.

In the future you can do this:

yum list | grep libxml2

A list of packages will be printed out.

libxml2.x86_642.7.3-2.fc11installed
libxml2-devel.x86_64  2.7.3-2.fc11@fedora
libxml2-python.x86_64 2.7.3-2.fc11installed
libxml2.i586  2.7.3-2.fc11fedora
libxml2-devel.i5862.7.3-2.fc11fedora
libxml2-static.x86_64 2.7.3-2.fc11fedora
mingw32-libxml2.noarch2.7.2-8.fc11fedora

As you can see, I have libxml2.x86_64 installed and not libxml2.i586 installed.

To fix this, run:

yum install libxml2.i586

Good Luck,
Tait





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