Re: installing Fedora 11 on dual-boot machine changes active partition?

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 17:36 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
> Yes, if you read my message again, you'll see that we already
> discovered this (except for the Vista hibernation part - does Fedora
> hibernation care which is active?).  My question is, given that this
> is the case, why does the F11 installer change the active partition if
> it doesn't have to?

It might be the drive partitioner, rather than grub, doing it.  There's
two things you'd have to check on.

It might be important for some BIOSs which partition(s) are active, but
it hasn't mattered on computers I've played with in the past, as far as
I can recall.  

It's possibly even more important regarding hibernation, or more to the
point, waking up from hibernation.  I've messed around, a bit, with dual
boot.  And hiberating one OS, then another, it doesn't always resume the
Windows hibernation, but the Linux one always resumed (and without any
GRUB menu popping up for me to decide whether to resume this OS or that.


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Re: Using Bugzilla ??

[Tim]

On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 10:33 -0400, William Case wrote:
> 5) In repo, there is a Bugzilla program.  Is this program for
> maintainers and developers or would it be useful to a casual user like
> me?

So far as I can see, it's for if you want to install Bugzilla on one of
your own computers, for your own bugtracking.  e.g. You're a software
production house, and you want to use it for managing fault reports on
your own programs.

[...@suspishus ~]$ yum info bugzilla
...[snip]...
Description: Bugzilla is a popular bug tracking system used by multiple open
   : source projects It requires a database engine installed - either
   : MySQL, PostgreSQL or Oracle. Without one of these database engines
   : (local or remote), Bugzilla will not work
   : - see the Release Notes for details.

It's probably usable for some non-software fault tracking, too.

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Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover

[Arun Shrimali]

Dear All,

Is there nobody who can help me in recovering data .

Arun

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Arun Shrimali wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Recently I have loaded Fedora 11, but yesterday fedora refused to boot.
> on googling I have found that testdisk is the best tool to recover the
> data, but end of it ...
> My steps are as attached
>
>
> finally it give me error as follows :
>
> The harddisk (80 GB/74Gib) seems too small (<84GB / 78GiB)
>
> Can any Testdisk expert help me …
>
> regards
>
> Arun
>

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Re: F11 iwlagn errors on Thinkpad W700

[Robert G. (Doc) Savage]

On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 19:33 -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 15:57 -0700, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> > On 08/16/2009 03:45 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
> > > Since installing F11 on my Thinkpad W700 I've had a chronic problem with
> > > the wireless disconnecting after a random time interval. It was rock
> > > solid with F10.
> > Try the rawhide kernel.  I'm using it with an F11 installation just fine 
> > and iwlagn is finally solid again.
> 
> Ulrich,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion. After installing the rawhide kernel, however,
> my W700 no longer boots. Indeed, it refuses to budge past the opening
> screen and allow me into the BIOS. This is Not Good.

Ulrich,

Specifically, I ran 'yum -y --enablerepo=rawhide install kernel'. These
two packages were installed:
kernel-2.6.31-0.125.4.2.rc5.git2.fc12.x86_64
kernel-firmware-2.6.31-0.125.4.2.rc5.git2.fc12.noarch
After recovering boot control of my W700 with a live CD and e2fsck, I
found that booting to that kernel would not complete, failing at the
same point. Sorry, but my eyes aren't fast enough to provide details.
While your idea is probably good one in view of the many problems
reported for iwlagn in F11, that particular kernel build must be DOA.

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Re: installing Fedora 11 on dual-boot machine changes active partition?

[fedora]

Hi
"without any
> GRUB menu popping up for me to decide whether to resume this OS or that"

if in the following file
vi /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01grub

you short-cirbuit the procedure default_resume_kernel()

then you can again select the OS to boot after hibernation

suomi

Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 17:36 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:

Yes, if you read my message again, you'll see that we already
discovered this (except for the Vista hibernation part - does Fedora
hibernation care which is active?).  My question is, given that this
is the case, why does the F11 installer change the active partition if
it doesn't have to?


It might be the drive partitioner, rather than grub, doing it.  There's
two things you'd have to check on.

It might be important for some BIOSs which partition(s) are active, but
it hasn't mattered on computers I've played with in the past, as far as
I can recall.  


It's possibly even more important regarding hibernation, or more to the
point, waking up from hibernation.  I've messed around, a bit, with dual
boot.  And hiberating one OS, then another, it doesn't always resume the
Windows hibernation, but the Linux one always resumed (and without any
GRUB menu popping up for me to decide whether to resume this OS or that.




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Re: installing Fedora 11 on dual-boot machine changes active partition?

[Rameshwar Gupta]

Can anyone on a dual-boot Windows/Linux box with Grub on the MBR and the
Windows partition active, who's about to clean-install F11, check
afterwards if the active partition has changed?

ans.
it is very easy .
 in win xp, right click in computer logo in destop then click manage then do
in disk management then select partition then right  click in mouse then
delect local drive whose partision you want delete .
in this process you delete all Linux partition without any software.
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 16:02, Andre Robatino  wrote:

> Can anyone on a dual-boot Windows/Linux box with Grub on the MBR and the
> Windows partition active, who's about to clean-install F11, check
> afterwards if the active partition has changed?
>
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Re: How to find free memory available for use by applications?

[Andrew Parker]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Shashank
Rachamalla wrote:
> Is the below calculation valid?
>
> Total Free Memory Available for Applications = free + buffers + cached

Cache is available to applications, yes, but I don't think that you
can included all of the buffer space. I'd be inclined to leave it out.

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Re: Acer netbooks

[NoSpaze]

On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 13:32 +0200, roland wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:45:40 +0200, Anne Wilson  wrote:
> I did this and the installation stopped in the beginning.
> http://catbe.dyndns.org/fotos/acer_aspire_one.jpg

This issue was discussed early on this list I believe. Well, if not on
this list, just use a USB stick to install, instead of a dvd/cd reader.

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Re: Acer netbooks

[NoSpaze]

On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 18:27 -0800, Ed Landaveri wrote:
> Please, is anyone running Fedora on any ACER netbook? If so can you recommend 
> a model?
> I'm looking one for my second daughter && Ubuntu ain't an option for her. 
> Thanks a lot!

Acer aspire one, formerly Fedora 10, now, 11. Beautiful, smooth, fast.

Maybe she should try moblin. They say its cool. Not for me, though,
after looking the screenshots -fully social-networking-oriented-.

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Debugging LUKS

[Andrew Kenton Mitchell]

Hey guys, I got a dumb question. Updated my kernel to 
2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.i686.PAE from 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i686.PAE. On 
boot of the new kernel I enter my LUKS pass-phrase and it sits there. 
The line above says Padlock not found.


 Old kernel still boots fine.

Anyway, my question, Since I can't unlock the new kernel, How can I 
provide any data for a bug report?


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Re: How to find free memory available for use by applications?

[Shashank Rachamalla]

It is possible to get the total amount of buffer or page cache memory,
in kilobytes, that are free and available from /proc/meminfo ( attribute
"Inactive" ). This is memory that has not been recently used and can be
reclaimed for other purposes. ( see
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/en-US/Reference_Guide/s2-proc-meminfo.html)


Total Free Memory Available for Applications = (free + Inactive) should
hold good in this case. 


Thanks,
Shashank.

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 07:50 -0400, Andrew Parker wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Shashank
> Rachamalla wrote:
> > Is the below calculation valid?
> >
> > Total Free Memory Available for Applications = free + buffers + cached
> 
> Cache is available to applications, yes, but I don't think that you
> can included all of the buffer space. I'd be inclined to leave it out.
> 

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nvidia vs suspend to disk

[Michael Hennebry]

Does anyone currently have suspend to
disk working with nvidia's drivers?
If so, how?
One of the items I googled hinted that
it might not be possible with SMP.

In another thread (no hardware acceleration?),
another poster mentioned pm-suspend quirks,
but I've not been able to figure out how to use them.
pm-suspend just gives me an error message.
Prior to installing the nvidia driver,
the KDE gui would let me suspend to disk.

I'm running fedora 9 on a pentium 4 with hyperthreading.

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Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover

[max bianco]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Arun Shrimali wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Is there nobody who can help me in recovering data .
>

I'd make a copy of the data using dd_rescue or something similar
first, then test your recovery methods using the copy. Its not clear
if you have done this but I'd call that step one. Foremost is another
tool that may help you recover some data.

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Re: Debugging LUKS

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 08:16:53 -0400,
  Andrew Kenton Mitchell  wrote:
> Hey guys, I got a dumb question. Updated my kernel to  
> 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.i686.PAE from 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i686.PAE. On  
> boot of the new kernel I enter my LUKS pass-phrase and it sits there.  
> The line above says Padlock not found.
>
>  Old kernel still boots fine.
>
> Anyway, my question, Since I can't unlock the new kernel, How can I  
> provide any data for a bug report?

Just to add a data point, I am able to use 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.i686.PAE
to boot a system with the root partition on a luks device.

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installation of fedora 11

[shreyas m]

HI
actually i downloaded the fedora 11 from the internet and wrote it in a 
bootable disc.now when I try to boot using the disc,CALDERA DOS opens up in the 
begining itself and i'm not able to proceed further.
please may i get the help about how top proceed further

 
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Re: installation of fedora 11

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 17 August 2009 16:36:19 shreyas m wrote:
> HI
> actually i downloaded the fedora 11 from the internet and wrote it in a
> bootable disc.now when I try to boot using the disc,CALDERA DOS opens up in
> the begining itself and i'm not able to proceed further. please may i get
> the help about how top proceed further
>
Are you certain that you burned an image, not a copy of the disk?  When you 
look at the disk either in windows or on another linux computer, do you see 
one large file or a complete file structure?

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Re: installation of fedora 11

[William Case]

Hi;

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 21:06 +0530, shreyas m wrote:
> HI
> actually i downloaded the fedora 11 from the internet and wrote it in
> a bootable disc.now when I try to boot using the disc,CALDERA DOS
> opens up in the begining itself and i'm not able to proceed further.
> please may i get the help about how top proceed further

Easy stuff to check first!

1)   Did you burn the boot disk as an .iso disk rather than a data disk?

2)   Have you set up your BIOS boot order so that your removable disk
drive is searched first for an operating system i.e. before your hard
drive?

3)   Have you read the Fedora 11 installation guide at
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/

The installation guide will tell you how to install from LiveCD, CD's (6
of them I believe) or DVD.  It is usually very simple; don't be
intimidated. 

If you are still having problems, get back to this users list. There are
lots of experienced people here willing to help.


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Re: Updating methods

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:57:08 -0400, Jud wrote:

> On 08/16/2009 09:51 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > On Sunday 16 August 2009 00:15:59 Tim wrote:
> >> Windows users...hoping...doing the exact same thing over and over
> >> will generate a different result.
> >
> > That's insane.
> >
> 
> What really blows your mind is that sometimes, it -ACTUALLY DOES-.

No, no, no. It's the same with "yum clean metadata" already. You
clean the cached repo metadata files, and the next time you run Yum,
you are assigned to a different mirror that carries older/same/newer
contents, which in turn influences the results you see.

There is really no reason to delete cached packages in addition
to deleting cached metadata.

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Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Arun Shrimali wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Recently I have loaded Fedora 11, but yesterday fedora refused to boot.
> on googling I have found that testdisk is the best tool to recover the
> data, but end of it ...
> 
Weather testdisk is the best tool depends on what the problem is.
What happens when you try to boot? Do you get an error message? If
so, what is it? If Grub is loading, you may be able to boot with the
previous kernel. If Grub is not loading, you can probably use the
install disk in the rescue mode to re-install Grub.

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Re: Panorama photos

[Kam Leo]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 17 August 2009 02:11:45 amit rp wrote:
>> since Canon Camera software is not compatible with Fedora10 686i, for
>> attaching two or more photoes to make Panorama; what should I do?
>
> Please, if replying from a digest, remember to change the subject line.
> Thanks for trimming, though.
>
> Look into hugin which I believe is software specifically for joining photos to
> create panorama pics.
>
> Anne

Use GIMP to stitch your photos together.

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FAQ on Software Patents

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

>From time to time, the same questions come up on MP3 and other patent
related things and I have written up some answers at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents

If you have other related questions, feel free to ask and I will try to
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Re: Acer netbooks

[Ed Landaveri]

Thanks Thom && everyone for your time. She's 7 and I want Fedora so she could 
have al the KDE Education programs available as well as games. I'll show her to 
see if she likes it if not I'll get her the: Terra A20 Netbook from 
zareason.com. They give the option of getting their laptops with Ubuntu or no 
OS at all. You also can put more memory on it, another 1 GB will be awesome for 
her. Finally without the MS tax!

I really appreciatte your help. Thanks

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> Sent: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:35:05 -0400
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Acer netbooks
> 
> On 08/15/2009 10:38 PM, Thom Paine wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Ed Landaveri
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Please, is anyone running Fedora on any ACER netbook? If so can you
>>> recommend a model?
>>> 
>> 
>> I am running the stock os on mine, but I heavily modified it to behave
>> like normal. I removed the acer menu, tweaked the login a bit, and set
>> a nice background. Everything works well, and I've been using it for
>> about 6 months now. I dind't want the hassle of wifi or something not
>> working.
>> 
>> If you are sending your daughter to school, the stock os might be the
>> way to go as well.
>> 
>> Just a thought.
>> 
>> 
> Would the same apply if you have a Son.
> 
> I just couldn't let that slide by.


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lots of interrupts

[Konstantin Svist]

I just ran powertop on a server which has a lot of small HTTP requests
coming in. I'm wondering if there's anything here that can be optimized
(other than powertop's suggestion of optimizing disk access... the
number of interrupts there is so low in comparison that it doesn't seem
worth the time).

Top causes for wakeups:
  30.9% (10350.7): eth0
  26.9% (9009.8)  : hrtimer_start_range_ns
(tick_sched_timer)
  21.5% (7194.3)   : Rescheduling interrupts
  14.4% (4813.7): eth1
   1.3% (428.0)python : hrtimer_start_range_ns (hrtimer_wakeup)
   1.2% (387.2)python : mod_timer (tcp_delack_timer)
   1.0% (349.7)mysqld : mod_timer (tcp_delack_timer)
   0.9% (298.3)python : mod_timer (tcp_write_timer)
   0.8% (276.2)mysqld : mod_timer (tcp_write_timer)
   0.5% (158.7)   : TLB shootdowns


"Rescheduling interrupts" seems interesting. Can anything be done to get
rid of those? (e.g. binding a process to a specific CPU/core)



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Re: Acer netbooks

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 10:35 -0800, Ed Landaveri wrote:
> Thanks Thom && everyone for your time. She's 7 and I want Fedora so she could 
> have al the KDE Education programs available as well as games. I'll show her 
> to see if she likes it if not I'll get her the: Terra A20 Netbook from 
> zareason.com. They give the option of getting their laptops with Ubuntu or no 
> OS at all. You also can put more memory on it, another 1 GB will be awesome 
> for her. Finally without the MS tax!
> 
> I really appreciatte your help. Thanks
> 

I'm running F11 on my Acer Aspire One (8.9"), 160 GB HD, 1 GB RAM dual
boot with Windows

works great, no worries

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RPM Spec File - %define into %pre section

[Bruno Galindro da Costa]

Hi!
  I´m building a RPM package and I need to check if a user exists before
install the package. If user exists, the script will create him in the
system. Before I compile then, I´ve  tried to install it, but the following
error is displayed. Is this because I´ve putted a %define into the %pre
section? How can I define a variable that I can use on the %defattr
directive inside %pre section?

ERROR---
*# rpm -ivh noarch/BinName-1.2-4.noarch.rpm
Preparing...###
[100%]
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.47444: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `fi'
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.47444: line 5: `fi'
error: %pre(BinName-1.2-4.noarch) scriptlet failed, exit status 2
error:   install: %pre scriptlet failed (2), skipping BinName-1.2-4*


--SPEC_FILE---
Summary: Bin Summary
Name: BinName
Version: 1.2
Release: 4
Source0: %{name}.sh
Source1: %{name}.conf
License: Commercial
Group: Applications/Databases
BuildArch: noarch

%description
Bin desc

%define oracle_group oinstall
%define script_path /opt/jobs/%{name}

%pre
if ! grep oracle /etc/passwd > /dev/null; then
   useradd -m -g %{oracle_group} oracle
else
*   %define oracle_group %(groups oracle |awk -F : '{print $2}' |awk '{print
$1}')*
fi

%install
mkdir -p %{script_path}
cp -pfv %{name}.sh %{name}.conf %{script_path}

%files
%defattr(0644,oracle,%{oracle_group})
%dir %{script_path}
%attr(0755,oracle,%{oracle_group})%{script_path}/%{name}.sh
%config %{script_path}/%{name}.conf



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Re: HDA Intel sound card problem

[Andre Costa]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 18:48, dariusz rojewski  wrote:

> 2009/8/16 Anne Wilson 
>
>>
>> If all else fails, there is a dedicated alsa-user mailing list.  It's
>> years
>> since I went there, but they were very helpful.  They were the ones that
>> taught me to use alsamixer from the command line, as it gives better
>> control
>> than alsamixer-gui.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>
>
> I mailed them before your msg :) Thanks 8-)
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I am also experiencing problems with Intel HDA (in my case, ICH9) sound.
Fortunately, it's "just" the headphones that are not working... =/ I'm
tracking this through bug #500418 [
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=500418].

It's sad to realize (and somewhat hard to understand) that sound support for
Intel HDA keeps going back and forth (it worked for me on F10, then after an
upgrade it stopped working still on F10, than it was fixed, and now it's
screwed again on F11...). Once people get it working, can't they just pls
keep it that way?! Thanks :-P

(sorry for the rant, I know kernel/ALSA folks are doing their best, it's
just *really* annoying)

Regards,

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Re: RPM Spec File - %define into %pre section

[Todd Zullinger]

Bruno Galindro da Costa wrote:
> I´m building a RPM package and I need to check if a user exists
> before install the package. If user exists, the script will create
> him in the system. Before I compile then, I´ve  tried to install it,
> but the following error is displayed. Is this because I´ve putted a
> %define into the %pre section? How can I define a variable that I
> %can use on the %defattr directive inside %pre section?

I don't think you can do what you want with rpm.  By the time the %pre
scriptlet is running, the %defattr in the %files section is long since
set.  You could use chgrp in %post to fix up the group ownership of
the files, which will make rpm complain if you run --verify against
this package.

There's probably a better way to handle this if you're willing and
able to change more than just this one package.  It seems to me that
needing to do this seems like a good indication that something else is
wrong.

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F11 abd Twitter

[Aaron Konstam]

After wasting an hour it became clear that you can not create Twitter
accounts using firefox under F1. Using User Agent addon to get Internet
explorer doesn't seem to help that much.

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Re: e2fsck -y wipe all my data

[Robin Laing]

I have been away on leave but I thought I would comment.

yordy wrote:

Hi

I have a HD connected as USB device and cause for electrical problems
in my home, my disk go off unexpectedly more than one time some weeks
ago, a few days ago I can't mount neither of my linux partitions on
that disk.


If you have electrical problems, get a UPS.  Also, check the drive the 
next time you plug it in.



Any idea why is this? Or how can I restore all the data pre existing
in that partition?

Greetings







You may have to run some forensic's type software (Foremost) to recover 
your files.


 I had an issue where my fingers deleted (Slap fingers again and again) 
 a whole partition of data.  I did recover about 20% of the data which 
was better than I expected.  The partition was part of a RAID and LVM 
array and I only had one of the two drives from the LVM.


If you haven't, don't use the drive yet.

Also, there are some ways to undelete ext2 files but it isn't from what 
I have heard.


Good luck.
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Re: RPM Spec File - %define into %pre section

[Bruno Galindro da Costa]

Ok, I´m try to do that, but the variables that are defined on the top of
spec file will be avaliable for the %post section? How can I access then on
the %post section?

*e.g:*

*%post
chgrp oracle: %{script_path}
*



2009/8/17 Todd Zullinger 

> Bruno Galindro da Costa wrote:
> > I´m building a RPM package and I need to check if a user exists
> > before install the package. If user exists, the script will create
> > him in the system. Before I compile then, I´ve  tried to install it,
> > but the following error is displayed. Is this because I´ve putted a
> > %define into the %pre section? How can I define a variable that I
> > %can use on the %defattr directive inside %pre section?
>
> I don't think you can do what you want with rpm.  By the time the %pre
> scriptlet is running, the %defattr in the %files section is long since
> set.  You could use chgrp in %post to fix up the group ownership of
> the files, which will make rpm complain if you run --verify against
> this package.
>
> There's probably a better way to handle this if you're willing and
> able to change more than just this one package.  It seems to me that
> needing to do this seems like a good indication that something else is
> wrong.
>
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[Fwd: F11 and Twitter]

[Aaron Konstam]

Message and subject so mangled I had to send this again.

After wasting an hour it became clear that you can not create Twitter
accounts using firefox under F11. Using User Agent addon to get Internet
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Re: F11 abd Twitter

[Ted Roche]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> After wasting an hour it became clear that you can not create Twitter
> accounts using firefox under F1. Using User Agent addon to get Internet
> explorer doesn't seem to help that much.
>
> Anyone have contrary experiences,
> --

I've been having a lot of contrary experiences with Twitter lately.
Over the weekend, FireFox 3.5 under Fedora 11 dis not appear to be
working on Twitter. On an older machine running FireFox 3.0.x Twitter
was working fine. Today, I was able to post again with FireFox 3.5. I
suspect the folks at Twitter are messing with their javascript and
have found some differences between the two versions of the browser.


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Re: HDA Intel sound card problem

[gilpel]

dariusz rojewski wrote:

> I launched kde and set gstreamer backend but it didn't help. Ehm.. stupid
> intel. Under centos,pld (and opensuse as i remember) it works.. In ubuntu
> doesn't work. but i didn't notice any special diffrences between
> configuration fedora and centos or pld. weird. Thanks Anne.

Apparently, Intel sent out those upgrades without checking anything. See
today's Distrowatch. I won't read all the thread but, if nobody came out
with a remedy, time might be the only one... or buying an NVIDIA card.

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Akmod-nvidia problem

[gilpel]

Since Matthew Saltzman was clear about it:

"I'm surprised the thread has gone on this long without pointing this
out:

"If you install the akmod-nvidia package, it will rebuild the driver
automatically when you boot a new kernel."

http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg49518.html

and there certainly was no strong disagreement, after I received the
2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64 kernel, I installed akmod-nvidia and
rebooted. It didn't work. About 2 hours later, the kmod module was
available and I knew it had worked well until now. So, I uninstalled akmod
and rebooted. It didn't work. I un/reinstalled the kernel. Didn't work.
Uninstalled/installed kmod. Didn't work.

On the first reboot, I got something like:

audit(xxx):auid=xxx ses=xxx subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:50
op=remove rulekey=(null) list=2 res=1
audit(xxx):audit_enabled=0 old=1 auid=xxx ses=xxx
subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:50 res=1

Then, when I reboot, the boot process stops at eth0:link up or Starting
atd: [OK]. Then it freezes.

Of course, YMMV, but, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't advise anybody
to use akmod-nvidia.

Any way out of this mess?

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Re: [Fwd: F11 and Twitter]

[Ed Greshko]

Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Message and subject so mangled I had to send this again.
>
> After wasting an hour it became clear that you can not create Twitter
> accounts using firefox under F11. Using User Agent addon to get Internet
> explorer doesn't seem to help that much.
>
> Anyone have contrary experiences,
>   
I don't know if what you are seeing is really a FF issue.

Over the weekend I was unable to "tweet".  This is with FF 3.0.12 on
RHELv4.  It was acting very much the same as it was earlier in the week
when twitter was under a DOS attack.

Anyway, after several hours (details sketchy since I didn't think it was
going to be necessary to recall) I closed FF and cleared cache for some
unrelated reason.  When I tried twitter again at some point later
everything was fine.

YMMV.

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Re: RPM Spec File - %define into %pre section

[Todd Zullinger]

Bruno Galindro da Costa wrote:

(Please don't top post.  Trim the quotes and reply after.)

> Ok, I´m try to do that, but the variables that are defined on the
> top of spec file will be avaliable for the %post section? How can I
> access then on the %post section?
>
> *e.g:*
>
> *%post
> chgrp oracle: %{script_path}
> *

In a case like the example above, %{script_path} will be expanded by
rpm when the %post scriptlet is run.

If you are thinking more of how to get the current oracle group for
use in %post, it might be something like this:

%post
oracle_group=$(groups oracle | awk -F : '{print $2}' |awk '{print $1}')
chmod $oracle_group %{script_path}

Still, I'd look to avoid needing to do this entirely.

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Re: RPM Spec File - %define into %pre section

[Bruno Galindro da Costa]

It works! Thank you very much!

2009/8/17 Todd Zullinger 

> Bruno Galindro da Costa wrote:
>
> (Please don't top post.  Trim the quotes and reply after.)
>
> > Ok, I´m try to do that, but the variables that are defined on the
> > top of spec file will be avaliable for the %post section? How can I
> > access then on the %post section?
> >
> > *e.g:*
> >
> > *%post
> > chgrp oracle: %{script_path}
> > *
>
> In a case like the example above, %{script_path} will be expanded by
> rpm when the %post scriptlet is run.
>
> If you are thinking more of how to get the current oracle group for
> use in %post, it might be something like this:
>
> %post
> oracle_group=$(groups oracle | awk -F : '{print $2}' |awk '{print $1}')
> chmod $oracle_group %{script_path}
>
> Still, I'd look to avoid needing to do this entirely.
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Re: low-level formatter for linux

[g]

[excuse delay in reply. thread got move to archive in error. just now found.]

Markus Kesaromous wrote:

> Why I need to do low level formatting? Disk monitor is reporting 93 
> uncorrectable sector errors.

then you need to get tools from oem.

> Is that a good enough reason? :)

one of many.

> PS: If I had something on the disk to hide from prying eyes, I would resort 
> to a very simple solution: break open the drive (very easyli done), and place
>  the platters on the fire grill for about 60 minutes. Ask a physics
> professor. See what he has to say about it :)

60 minutes on grill is a lot loner than needed.

when i want to totally destroy a disk platter, i burn off oxide coating using
lighter fluid. works just as good and does not stink up grill. besides, who
wants their stakes smelling and tasting like oxide.

if i want to reuse platter, i use a big magnet i have from a klystron tube
radar unit and reformat low level. tho i have not done so lately with ide
disk drives. worked great with mfm.

as for asking a physics prof, i really do not need to ask his opinion of
something that i have known for a long time.


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How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Michael Wright]

Hi List 

I cound't find any infomation on how i can extract the iso file like eg. simple 
Fedora-11-i386-disc1.iso  Fedora-11-1386-disk1.iso could someone help us out as 
i'm new to fedoracore

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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Sam Varshavchik]

Michael Wright writes:

Hi List 
  
I cound't find any infomation on how i can extract the iso file like eg. 
simple 
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/i 
so/Fedora-11-i386-disc1.iso>Fedora-11-i386-disc1.iso  
Fedora-11-1386-disk1.iso could someone help us out as i'm new to 
fedoracore 


What do you mean "extract"? If you want to access the content of the iso 
image, mount it with the -o loop option:


mkdir /media/isodvd
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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

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Michael Wright wrote:
> Hi List
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> I cound't find any infomation on how i can extract the iso file like eg.
> simple Fedora-11-i386-disc1.iso
> 
>  
> Fedora-11-1386-disk1.iso could someone help us out as i'm new to fedoracore
>  
> Mike
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As far as the .iso image, it is a CD image. You normally burn it
directly to a CD. It is also possible to mount the .iso image under
Linux.

To want to mount the image, try something like this:

mkdir /mnt/iso
mount -o loop Fedora-11-1386-disk1.iso /mnt/iso

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Re: Recompile kernel without SMP

[stan]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:37:10 -0400
"Paul Grinberg"  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I am trying to recompile kernel without SMP. So far I've been
> unsuccessful. Meaning I am able to compile, but it was still SMP..
> 
> Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?


> cp .config ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES/config-i686-generic
> cp .config ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES/config-i686

The only valid target for i686 is config-i686-PAE.
Look in the ~/rpmbuild/SPECS/kernel.spec file (search
for Source32), or ls ~/rpmbuild/SOURCE/config* before 
you copy anything to it to see the list of valid values.

Because the two config names you are using aren't valid in the spec
file, they are being ignored and the generic Fedora kernel is being
built.

> # Create RPM package
> rpmbuild -bb --with firmware --target=i686 kernel.spec
 
See the link 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel
for a better command.

rpmbuild -bb --with baseonly --with firmware --without debuginfo 
--target=`uname -m` kernel.spec

This should build headers for you.

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Re: Akmod-nvidia problem

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:29 PM,  wrote:
> Since Matthew Saltzman was clear about it:
>
> "I'm surprised the thread has gone on this long without pointing this
> out:
>
> "If you install the akmod-nvidia package, it will rebuild the driver
> automatically when you boot a new kernel."
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg49518.html
>
> and there certainly was no strong disagreement, after I received the
> 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64 kernel, I installed akmod-nvidia and
> rebooted. It didn't work. About 2 hours later, the kmod module was
> available and I knew it had worked well until now. So, I uninstalled akmod
> and rebooted. It didn't work. I un/reinstalled the kernel. Didn't work.
> Uninstalled/installed kmod. Didn't work.
>
> On the first reboot, I got something like:
>
> audit(xxx):auid=xxx ses=xxx subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:50
> op=remove rulekey=(null) list=2 res=1
> audit(xxx):audit_enabled=0 old=1 auid=xxx ses=xxx
> subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:50 res=1
>
> Then, when I reboot, the boot process stops at eth0:link up or Starting
> atd: [OK]. Then it freezes.
>
> Of course, YMMV, but, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't advise anybody
> to use akmod-nvidia.
>
> Any way out of this mess?

I know I've been guilty of it at times but you have to be careful
drawing those types of conclusions from one experience. I've used the
akmod-nvidia package for some time without issue and since this is the
first posting I've read where someone did have an issue it doesn't
look to be that common.

First I have to ask, did you install kernel-headers & kernel-devel for
the kernel you're booting? I can't remember off hand but at least one
if not both of those packages are needed. Second, I would suggest
subscribing to the rpmfusion users list since akmod-nvidia is not a
fedora provided package.

Richard

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Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio

[stan]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:21:59 +0200
lars.bjorn...@broadpark.no (Lars Bjørndal) wrote:

> Dear list
> 
> Could you please advice me in how to get sound within GNOME without
> pulseaudio, e.g. with ALSA/ESD?

I don't think this is possible anymore.  I am not an expert at this but
I believe that pulse is so closely integrated with Gnome now that it 
requires pulse in order to generate sounds.  I know that if I use something
from Gnome that needs sound, pulse is automatically started even though I 
have it disabled.  

I think this is the culprit.

/usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper

Can you afford to install a cheap sound card that you can give over 
exclusively to pulse, and remove your existing card from it's purview?
Or vice versa.

Then you use one card for orca and espeak, and let pulse use the other
for Gnome to produce system sounds.

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Re: HDA Intel sound card problem

[stan]

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:33:46 +0200
dariusz rojewski  wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> 
> i don't have any idea how can i fix it. As i said I have HDA Intel
> sound card:
> 
> Codec: STAC92HD73*
> lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family)
> HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
> aplay -l:
> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
> Subdevices: 0/1
> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> 
> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0: Codec: IDT 92HD75B2X5
> 
> I've tried everything :) I added to /etc/modprobe.d/dist.conf 'options
> snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6' line (dell-m6 is for codec STAC92HD73*),
> but it still doesn't work.
> (nothing is muted of course) :)
> 
> any ideas? thanks.
> 

Are you sure that iec958 (digital) output is not enabled in alsamixer?
Your card appears to be recognized correctly.  Using alsamixer from a
terminal, use right arrow to move right until you see iec958.  Make sure
it has MM (using M) instead of 00 so it is turned off.

What happens if you play a wav file with aplay as follows?
pulseaudio --kill
aplay -D plughw:0,0 some.wav
pulseaudio --start
If you get sound from this command, you have a configuration issue and
new drivers are probably not going to help you.  You need to tweak your
system until sound works.

I had an experience today where I was using gnash, and it took over, via
pulse, a sound device so it couldn't be used from within audacity.
Turning off gnash and killing the gnome-helper application allowed
audacity to see the device again.

The default alsa drivers version in f11 is 1.0.18.  The current version
is 1.0.20 and there are lots of intel-hda fixes in the update.  The
reason f11 is running the old version is because the kernel it is using
doesn't support the new drivers.  So you could try the 2.6.30 kernel in
updates-testing for f11, and then install the latest alsa drivers and
see if it helps.

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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[stan]

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:42:25 +1000
"Michael Wright"  wrote:

> Hi List 
> 
> I cound't find any infomation on how i can extract the iso file like

As Sam said, it isn't clear exactly what you are trying to do.  Perhaps
you could give more explanation?

And if you try the command Sam and Mikkel provided you, you will
probably need the command

umount /mnt/iso... 

to unmount the CD in order to eject it.

See   man mount   and   man umount   for more explanation.

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(no subject)

[gilpel]

Sorry, I've deleted the "FAQ on Software Patents" started by Rahul
Sundaram. so I'll have to answer in a new thread.


Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> From time to time, the same questions come up on MP3 and other patent
> related things and I have written up some answers at

> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents

> If you have other related questions, feel free to ask and I will try to
> answer them in the wiki. Note that I am not a lawyer and this is not
> legal advice.

This almost looks like a follow-up to the thread "What are Microsoft
codecs?" that some real Linux lovers pretty much succeeded in trashing.

Unfortunately, the legal approach of Mr Sundaram still doesn't answer this
enigma: if proprietary document formatting is just defining an awfully
more complex and secret way of producing bold than , then what are
media codecs exactly?

But I'm sure all those who pretended that fedora-list wasn't the place to
hold such a discussion will be happy to join in.

As for myself, I'll just suggest another subject for reflection. While
most Fedora supporters here agree with Microsoft that market share is
totally unimportant to Fedora, while Ubuntu LTS is released every second
year and supported for 5 on servers, will Red Hat leave the road open to
former Thawte CEO to get all the user base? Does Red Hat really think that
Fedora users will buy RHEL because they dig GIMP 2.2 so much?

I had a fair chance to observe how non-profit organisations were run in
the recent years and I really thought that a company on the Stock Exchange
would be different. Now, I'm beginning to wonder.

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Is there a way to copy kernel configs for latest/recent Fedora kernel builds without downloading testing kernels

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users,

Good thing to see that Fedora has released a 2.6.30.5 kernel into testing :)  I 
have compiled 2.6.30.X kernels on my own for my machine and have copied 
previous kernel's config to the new one and build from there :), I tried to cut 
it down(to reduce the size), but I had left out some important modules like ppp 
deflate and others, and I just get Fedora config and build from there.  I would 
like to know if the .config file is available somewhere in Fedora project pages 
and use it to build my own kernel and avoid using old configs?  Before I just 
compiled and installed kernels from kernel.org once in a while, but now I have 
learned a little bit more the art of patching and updating to latest and 
greatest.  It used to be fun also using Fedora kernels(yum install kernel 
kernel-devel kernel-headers), but *for some reason or another* they stayed 
somewhat behind (*except for rawhide* YAY!!!).   and I learned to play with 
patches and update the kernel source.


Thanks in Advance,

Antonio 


  

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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Todd Zullinger]

stan wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:42:25 +1000 "Michael Wright"
>  wrote:
>> I cound't find any infomation on how i can extract the iso file
>> like
>
> As Sam said, it isn't clear exactly what you are trying to do.
> Perhaps you could give more explanation?
>
> And if you try the command Sam and Mikkel provided you, you will
> probably need the command
>
> umount /mnt/iso...
>
> to unmount the CD in order to eject it.
>
> See   man mount   and   man umount   for more explanation.

Odds are good that someone new to Fedora may not have access to the
mount and umount man pages on their system.  If Michael does have a
linux system already, it might be easier to explore the .iso image
using file-roller, the Gnome Archive Manager (Archive Manager on the
Gnome menu, under Applications -> Accessories).

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Re: Akmod-nvidia problem

[gilpel]

Richard Shaw wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:29 PM,  wrote:

>> Of course, YMMV, but, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't advise anybody
>> to use akmod-nvidia.
>>
>> Any way out of this mess?
>
> I know I've been guilty of it at times but you have to be careful
> drawing those types of conclusions from one experience. I've used the
> akmod-nvidia package for some time without issue and since this is the
> first posting I've read where someone did have an issue it doesn't
> look to be that common.

As I said, YMMV :)

For now, there's a new kernel again and I'll see how it works with
kmod-nvidia tomorrow.

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Re: (no subject) was "FAQ on

[Antonio Olivares]

> Software Patents"
To: 
" encouragement  and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance" 

In-Reply-To: <50762.216.239.89.138.1250567653.squir...@altern.org>
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> Sorry, I've deleted the "FAQ on
> Software Patents" started by Rahul
> Sundaram. so I'll have to answer in a new thread.
> 
You could have waited a while for someone else to reply to that thread, and 
begin from there :), or you were too anxious to reply!
> 
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
> > From time to time, the same questions come up on MP3
> and other patent
> > related things and I have written up some answers at
> 
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents
> 
> > If you have other related questions, feel free to ask
> and I will try to
> > answer them in the wiki. Note that I am not a lawyer
> and this is not
> > legal advice.
> 
> This almost looks like a follow-up to the thread "What are
> Microsoft
> codecs?" that some real Linux lovers pretty much succeeded
> in trashing.
>
What do you mean trashing?  Could you explain a bit?
> 
> Unfortunately, the legal approach of Mr Sundaram still
> doesn't answer this
> enigma: if proprietary document formatting is just defining
> an awfully
> more complex and secret way of producing bold than
> , then what are
> media codecs exactly?
>
Media codecs are *different* from encodings, xml stuff, and other proprietary 
layers added by Micro$oft to their products like word documents, excel files, 
powerpoint, etc.  

Media codecs are a different animal and not necessarily from Micro$oft alone.  
Thankfully there are many media players that can play them and we have been 
told to install the good, the bad and the ugly and most of them can be played.  
Sadly, not everything works, but this happens not only with Fedora.  A friend 
of mine pokes fun at me because I use Fedora linux and he tells me that nobody 
gives a sh*t about it and that is why it does not get attacked by hackers, 
virii, spyware, adware, trojan horse, ..., etc as much as Micro$oft Windows 
does.  This is hard to swallow, but I tell him that I like Fedora and Linux 
Distros in general and I dont mind the being in the 1% category.  He says 99% 
of the world uses M$ and you are in the rare type that uses Linux.  But I can 
live with that.  
> 
> But I'm sure all those who pretended that fedora-list
> wasn't the place to
> hold such a discussion will be happy to join in.
>
The discussion reminds me of a Bill Parcell's quote:

"This conversation is going nowhere", that he made sometime ago and was made 
into a Coors Beer commercial and it can be applied here.  As much as we discuss 
issues like this.  It does not make much of a difference.  I hate to say it, 
but it is true.  Fedora will not go against any laws that are established to 
protect intellectual property like patents, mp3, dvd playback, libdvdcss2, 
flash, ..., etc.  You name it.  Fedora will not deviate from what it has done 
in the past nor I see it happen in the future :)  
> 
> As for myself, I'll just suggest another subject for
> reflection. While
> most Fedora supporters here agree with Microsoft that
> market share is
> totally unimportant to Fedora, while Ubuntu LTS is released
> every second
> year and supported for 5 on servers, will Red Hat leave the
> road open to
> former Thawte CEO to get all the user base? Does Red Hat
> really think that
> Fedora users will buy RHEL because they dig GIMP 2.2 so
> much?
>
Whether they dig GIMP 2.2 does not make a difference as to whether users will 
buy RHEL.  That makes no sense to me and I am sure others.  RHEL is a 
subscription based distro(correct me if I am wrong).  You do not pay for the 
software, you are paying for the services provided by Red Hat.  
> 
> I had a fair chance to observe how non-profit organisations
> were run in
> the recent years and I really thought that a company on the
> Stock Exchange
> would be different. Now, I'm beginning to wonder.
>
Every company is different, but to each their own.  
> 
> -- 

Ubuntu LTS is something else and Fedora makes no apparent threat to it.  One is 
free to use whichever version of Linux that is out there.  If you like Ubuntu, 
then go for it.  I am not going to say anything bad about it.  Fedora is just a 
bit different from them. 

My $0.02

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Michael Wright]

Hi Told i'm downloading the Cd iso from fedoracore website atm i want to put 
it to a clean dvd Hi Told sorry about that what i am doing is downloading 
the iso cd from Fedoracore website how do i put it to a dvd hope that helps


mike
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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 13:23:56 +1000,
  Michael Wright  wrote:
> Hi Told i'm downloading the Cd iso from fedoracore website atm i want to 
> put it to a clean dvd Hi Told sorry about that what i am doing is 
> downloading the iso cd from Fedoracore website how do i put it to a dvd 
> hope that helps

The iso formats are the same for CDs and DVDs. DVDs just allow for larger
ones. Just download the iso and burn it (as an iso, not a normal file).

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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[T. Howell-Cintron]

Michael Wright wrote:
> Hi Told i'm downloading the Cd iso from fedoracore website atm i want to
> put it to a clean dvd Hi Told sorry about that what i am doing is
> downloading the iso cd from Fedoracore website how do i put it to a dvd
> hope that helps

What OS are you burning from?  Windows has quite a few applications that
can burn an ISO file - look for a "burn image" option in your favorite
software.

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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Todd Zullinger]

Hi Michael,

Michael Wright wrote:
> Hi Told i'm downloading the Cd iso from fedoracore website atm i
> want to put it to a clean dvd Hi Told sorry about that what i am
> doing is downloading the iso cd from Fedoracore website how do i put
> it to a dvd hope that helps

There is some documentation on burning the .iso images at:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/readme-burning-isos/en-US.html

Note that the section on validating the downloaded image is a little
outdated as of Fedora 11, because we switched to sha256 for generating
the .iso checksums.  The documentation is being fixed, but what was
produced for Fedora 11 is unfortunately not entirely correct on that
on point.

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Re: FAQ on Software Patents

[gilpel]

> You could have waited a while for someone else to reply to that thread,
> and begin from there :), or you were too anxious to reply!

I'm not sure there will be any answer here since Rahul suggests posting on
the wiki. I'm not even sure there will be an answer on the wiki, but I had
a problem with MoinMoin :)

Talk:Software Patents
>From FedoraProject
Jump to: navigation, search


The following metadata was found in MoinMoin that could not be converted
to a useful value in MediaWiki:

* acl: EditGroup:read,write All:read

so I made a short answer here.

I do not wish to comment further.

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Thinkpad T60P Wifi Help

[Gregory Sieranski]

Hi guys,
Ever since I installed F11 I have been unable to get wifi to work. I have an
airport router using mac filtering and wpa2 personal encryption. I used
these exact same things when running F10 and had no problems with wifi.
Doing:
lsmod  iwl3945   143644  0
ifconfig wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1F:3C:91:CA:0F
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

lspci 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)

I have:

kernel.x86_64   2.6.29.5-191.fc11
@updates
kernel.x86_64   2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11
@updates
kernel.x86_64   2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11
@updates
kernel-devel.x86_64 2.6.29.5-191.fc11
@updates
kernel-devel.x86_64 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11
@updates
kernel-devel.x86_64 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11
@updates
kernel-firmware.noarch  2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11
@updates
kernel-headers.x86_64   2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11
@updates

iwl3945-firmware.noarch 15.32.2.9-1.fc11
installed

wireless-tools-29-4.fc11.x86_64
wireless-tools-devel-29-4.fc11.x86_64

When I try to connect to my network and do a dmesg I get:

iwl3945 :03:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode
iwl3945 loaded firmware version 15.32.2.9

At this point I don't know what else to do. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

Thanks,
Gregory
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Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd

[Michael Wright]

i'm using a program called nero 8
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Michael Wright wrote:

Hi Told i'm downloading the Cd iso from fedoracore website atm i want to
put it to a clean dvd Hi Told sorry about that what i am doing is
downloading the iso cd from Fedoracore website how do i put it to a dvd
hope that helps


What OS are you burning from?  Windows has quite a few applications that
can burn an ISO file - look for a "burn image" option in your favorite
software.

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Re: Testdisk error for LVM partition recover

[Arun Shrimali]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson<
mik...@infinity-ltd.com> wrote:
> Arun Shrimali wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Recently I have loaded Fedora 11, but yesterday fedora refused to boot.
>> on googling I have found that testdisk is the best tool to recover the
>> data, but end of it ...
>>
> Weather testdisk is the best tool depends on what the problem is.
> What happens when you try to boot? Do you get an error message? If
> so, what is it? If Grub is loading, you may be able to boot with the
> previous kernel. If Grub is not loading, you can probably use the
> install disk in the rescue mode to re-install Grub.
>
> Mikkel
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>
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> for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!
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Weather testdisk is the best tool depends on what the problem is.
*I really don't know *

> What happens when you try to boot? Do you get an error message? If
> so, what is it?

*Boot disk failure*

If Grub is loading, you may be able to boot with the
> previous kernel. If Grub is not loading, you can probably use the
> install disk in the rescue mode to re-install Grub.

*I tried to reinstall the grub with live CD, but it says "file not found"*

*Arun*
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Upcoming IRC Classroom Session for the week of 2009-08-17

[Kevin Fenzi]

Greetings. 

This is a regular posting I am going to try and make every monday,
letting people know about the upcoming IRC classroom sessions that are
scheduled. 

From the Classroom page at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
we currently have the following Classes scheduled: 

2009-08-19 01:00 UTC An Introduction to the command line -- Kevin Fenzi

We have several other classes in planning stages now, hopefully to be
announced soon. 

Please see the above page for more information on signing up to teach a
class, providing feedback to the classroom mailing list or other
general information. 

Hope to see you all there!

kevin


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Re: Akmod-nvidia problem

[Tim]

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 21:30 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> First I have to ask, did you install kernel-headers & kernel-devel for
> the kernel you're booting? I can't remember off hand but at least one
> if not both of those packages are needed.

I just tried akmod-nvidia on Fedora 11 for the first time, the other
day.  I had to install kernel-devel myself, afterwards, before it could
do what it was supposed to.  Surely it ought to drag that in as a
dependency, then?  Installing akmod-nvidia certainly dragged in a pile
of other things.

 1. Fresh install of Fedora 11, from the DVD, with default options.
 2. Tried to "yum install kmod-nvidia", but there wasn't one
prebuilt.
 3. So I did "yum install akmod-nvidia", rebooted, and watched it
fail.
 4. Did a "yum install kernel-devel", rebooted, and it built the
driver and configured itself properly.

With the NVidia driver installed, the laptop suspends to RAM and wakes
up (I can't recall if I tried suspend to disc).  Pulseaudio also works.
I'm tempted to say "nyah," so I will...

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Re: low-level formatter for linux

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 00:05 +, g wrote:
> when i want to totally destroy a disk platter, i burn off oxide
> coating using lighter fluid. works just as good and does not stink up
> grill. besides, who wants their stakes smelling and tasting like
> oxide.

Years ago, I let my young nephew play with an old hard drive, vice
grips, a drill, and a hammer.  It kept him out of our hair for a very
long time, and there was nothing salvageable left of the drive.  ;-)

You could, of course, try running Windows on the drive.  It seems
excellent at destroying data without even trying.

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Re: (no subject) was "FAQ on

[Tim]

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 20:16 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> A friend of mine pokes fun at me because I use Fedora linux and he
> tells me that nobody gives a sh*t about it and that is why it does not
> get attacked by hackers, virii, spyware, adware, trojan horse, ...,
> etc as much as Micro$oft Windows does.  This is hard to swallow, but I
> tell him that I like Fedora and Linux Distros in general and I dont
> mind the being in the 1% category.  He says 99% of the world uses M$
> and you are in the rare type that uses Linux.  But I can live with
> that.

I, and many others, use it precisely because it is not Windows.  The day
it clones it, is the day we find something else to use.

It does what we tell it to.  We can find out how it works.  We can
change how it works.  We can fix the problems.  We can customise it.
We're not slaves to malware and anti-malware software.  We're not slaves
to lock-in and data kidnapping by proprietary data formats (I've
personally experienced lock-out of data when programs have become
unavailable).  We don't have to pay ten times over to install it on ten
computers.  We don't have to pay ten times over because ten different
people access the same computer.  We don't have systems that
artificially restrict the number of users that can use it at the same
time.  It's a damn sight more reliable...

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Re: (no subject) was "FAQ on

[Tim]

gilpel:
>> This almost looks like a follow-up to the thread "What are
>> Microsoft codecs?" that some real Linux lovers pretty much
>> succeeded in trashing.

Antonio Olivares:
> What do you mean trashing?  Could you explain a bit?

People who knew more than they did tore open all the holes in the
spurious arguments.  i.e. They were wrong, but won't admit it.

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Re: (no subject)

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 08:54 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:
> Does Red Hat really think that Fedora users will buy RHEL because they
> dig GIMP 2.2 so much?

No.  Clearly you don't understand, and don't want to understand.

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Re: Panorama photos

[Tim]

On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 09:56 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
> Use GIMP to stitch your photos together.

That'd only work if all your pictures had the right perspective at the
joining points.  Usually they don't, and panorama software squeezes and
stretches the image around the joins, to force things to fit.

To avoid perspective changes, you'd need to take more photos than people
usually do (more slices), and you'd need to track the camera sideways
(physically move it), rather than pivot.

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Kdump doesn't create dump for NMI releated kernel crashes

[Mani]

Hello,
I am debugging the madwifi wireless driver for which I installed the
Kdump/Kexec utility. The dump (vmcore) is created for kernel panics which
occur due to the driver (The driver code has assert() functions which call
BUG() to panic the kernel)
However sometimes when the driver module is reset or loaded, the following
error is displayed on the console ( also in /var/log/messages) after which
the machine goes for a freeze.

Aug 16 11:52:37 localhost kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason b0
on CPU 0.
Aug 16 11:52:37 localhost kernel: You have some hardware problem, likely on
the PCI bus.
Aug 16 11:52:37 localhost kernel: Dazed and confused, but trying to continue

In this case, the machine doesn't boot into the secondary kernel (crash
kernel) to create the dump - It just stays in the freeze state. Why so? How
can I debug such scenarios where Kdump fails.

I am using Linux vanilla kernel 2.6.25.14 on fedora 9. Both main and
secondary kernel have this version of kernel.
I am pretty new to kernel debugging, please advice me how I can avoid or
debug this kernel oops.
Thanks.

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Re: low-level formatter for linux

[g]

Tim wrote:

> You could, of course, try running Windows on the drive.  It seems
> excellent at destroying data without even trying.

i agree.

that was one of good things about mfm drives. running low-level formatting
after they crashed and would not take a regular format.

it got to a point that when ever i had a system crash, i would not bother
with regular formatting, just pull out oem disk, run low-level to insure
that bad sectors were written to table and the regular format.

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Re: (no subject)

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 08/18/2009 09:24 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote:

> Unfortunately, the legal approach of Mr Sundaram still doesn't answer this
> enigma: if proprietary document formatting is just defining an awfully
> more complex and secret way of producing bold than , then what are
> media codecs exactly?

Already answered in the FAQ. Read it carefully.

Rahul

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kmod-nvidia for kernel -217 please ?

[Linuxguy123]

'yum update' is showing a new kernel is available.  However, those of us
running non open source video drivers (for various reasons) cannot
update because the new kmod-nvidia driver isn't built for the new
kernel.

Could someone build it and push it out to the repositories ?

Thanks 

PS: Thanks for supplying the kmod-nvidia driver.  I used to have to
build it myself.  I'm glad I don't have to.  Good job.

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