date:20090822

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:06:33 +0100
Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Depends on which bits you look at. Most of the packages are based on
 Fedora packages, the whole lot is built using the suse build system.

Depends on how you look at it ;-)

A bit less than half our packages are created using specbuilder, from a
small ini file. For a bunch of these we did borrow the Fedora
description of the package. You can expect Moblin to increasingly use
specbuilder going forward
(including tools we're developing right now to create as much of the
specbuilder metadata as possible straight from the upstream tarbal).

 The NM/connman is an interesting split. 

The Moblin OS uses Connman for everything networking. This is a
different architecture than what Fedora does, where Fedora
has /etc/sysconfig and other scripts that do part of the work etc. At
first this looks like a minor change, but it's kinda fundamental.

I'm not saying that the Fedora style is bad, it's just not what we
picked for the Moblin OS, and it's probably not what Fedora would have
done had they started from scratch.

  What we really do need is some more directed coordination between
  the two projects.
 
 That would be fabulous, but only time will tell.

Moblin and Fedora have rather different objectives. I'd be happy to work
together on areas of joint interest, but I don't see the OSes as a
whole converge, rather they will diverge even more than they already
have.


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Re: Add Moblin Desktop group to comps

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:32:25 -0700
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 17:22 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
  Hi All,
  
  I would like to add a group for the Moblin Desktop. My proposed
  patch is below and feedback is welcome.
 
 Is Moblin a trademark of anybody?

yes


I don't know the exact details, but afaik there's very liberal
permissions for the trademark, as long as you pass the compliance
tests...


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Re: Add Moblin Desktop group to comps

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:31:55 -0700
Arjan van de Ven ar...@infradead.org wrote:

 On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:32:25 -0700
 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 17:22 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
   Hi All,
   
   I would like to add a group for the Moblin Desktop. My proposed
   patch is below and feedback is welcome.
  
  Is Moblin a trademark of anybody?
 
 yes
 
 
 I don't know the exact details, but afaik there's very liberal
 permissions for the trademark, as long as you pass the compliance
 tests...

I should mention that I actually don't know if/how the trademark works;
I do not that it's zero hassle for those that pass the compliance test
(which is very similar to the lsb testsuite)



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Re: Orphaning packages

2009-08-22 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)


22.08.2009 03:03, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Aurelien Bompard wrote:

- gwenview -- Simple image viewer for KDE


This one is obsolete, gwenview is part of kdegraphics these days.

 Kevin Kofler


But  may be separate package is more right solution?? Also not problem 
have both packages in Fedora or I mistaken?


I want take this. Aurélien, if you like I can also take care of F11 and 
F10 branches.


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Re: Add Moblin Desktop group to comps

2009-08-22 Thread Michel Salim

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 12:04 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
 On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:06:33 +0100
 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Depends on which bits you look at. Most of the packages are based on
  Fedora packages, the whole lot is built using the suse build system.
 
 Depends on how you look at it ;-)
 
 A bit less than half our packages are created using specbuilder, from a
 small ini file. For a bunch of these we did borrow the Fedora
 description of the package. You can expect Moblin to increasingly use
 specbuilder going forward
 (including tools we're developing right now to create as much of the
 specbuilder metadata as possible straight from the upstream tarbal).
 
Is specbuilder made available anywhere? I browsed the git repository but
it's not listed there. Given the length of Fedora's current packaging
checklist, it would be something that would be great if we can borrow
it.

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Re: Orphaning packages

2009-08-22 Thread Michel Salim

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 23:36 +0400, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
wrote:
 22.08.2009 03:03, Kevin Kofler wrote:
  Aurelien Bompard wrote:
  - gwenview -- Simple image viewer for KDE
 
  This one is obsolete, gwenview is part of kdegraphics these days.
 
   Kevin Kofler
 
 But  may be separate package is more right solution?? Also not problem 
 have both packages in Fedora or I mistaken?
 
That's a matter of aesthetics, and there's no real right answer: Debian,
Ubuntu and Mandriva tend to split packages into multiple subs; Fedora
tend to keep as close as a one-to-one correspondence between source RPM
and binary RPM (save splitting off -devel, -doc, and if a package
contains libraries that are usable elsewhere, -libs). openSUSE is
in-between.

The point, though, is that a package maintainer is in charge of the
entire source package (SRPM). So you can't just take over gwenview
without taking over kdegraphics.

Now, if there are any actively-maintained branches (perhaps EPEL 4 or
EPEL 5) that still has a standalone gwenview, and you feel like
maintaining it for that branch, that's a different question.

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Re: Add Moblin Desktop group to comps

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:39:36 -0400
Michel Salim michael.silva...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 12:04 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
  On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:06:33 +0100
  Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Depends on which bits you look at. Most of the packages are based
   on Fedora packages, the whole lot is built using the suse build
   system.
  
  Depends on how you look at it ;-)
  
  A bit less than half our packages are created using specbuilder,
  from a small ini file. For a bunch of these we did borrow the Fedora
  description of the package. You can expect Moblin to increasingly
  use specbuilder going forward
  (including tools we're developing right now to create as much of the
  specbuilder metadata as possible straight from the upstream tarbal).
  
 Is specbuilder made available anywhere? I browsed the git repository
 but it's not listed there. Given the length of Fedora's current
 packaging checklist, it would be something that would be great if we
 can borrow it.
 

hmmm it's in git.
I'll check on Monday with our sysadmin to see why it's not visible


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Re: Orphaning packages

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 22:34:24 +0200,
  Aurelien Bompard gau...@free.fr wrote:
 I'm orphaning a few packages I'm not using anymore, feel free to take over:
 
 - glest  glest-data -- 3D real time strategy game

I'll try taking these. Glest is on the games spin and one way or another I'll
need to deal with Glest (as it is currently broken in rawhide). I might find
myself over my head in which case I'll need to reophan them.

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openssl rebuilds where is Tomas on 2009-08-24

2009-08-22 Thread Tomas Mraz

Hi,
I've spent whole day today (Sat 22) resolving build failures on
dependent packages after the openssl-1.0.0 upgrade. I will continue on
the remaining openssl rebuild fixes after I return from the short trip I
want to go tomorrow and on Monday. There is still about 30 packages
which are not yet rebuilt.

If you have a package which failed a rebuild and want to look at it you
can try building it into dist-f12-openssl after patching the API calls. 

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Re: Orphaning packages

2009-08-22 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)


22.08.2009 23:44, Michel Salim wrote:

That's a matter of aesthetics, and there's no real right answer: Debian,
Ubuntu and Mandriva tend to split packages into multiple subs; Fedora
tend to keep as close as a one-to-one correspondence between source RPM
and binary RPM (save splitting off -devel, -doc, and if a package
contains libraries that are usable elsewhere, -libs). openSUSE is
in-between.

The point, though, is that a package maintainer is in charge of the
entire source package (SRPM). So you can't just take over gwenview
without taking over kdegraphics.
My point was different: I want use gwenview but don't always use 
kdegrapics, wich have big size. So, I often use it in XFCE.



Now, if there are any actively-maintained branches (perhaps EPEL 4 or
EPEL 5) that still has a standalone gwenview, and you feel like
maintaining it for that branch, that's a different question.

No, maintain it *only* for EPEL is not interesting for me.

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Re: Orphaning packages

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin Kofler

Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote:

 22.08.2009 03:03, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Aurelien Bompard wrote:
 - gwenview -- Simple image viewer for KDE

 This one is obsolete, gwenview is part of kdegraphics these days.

  Kevin Kofler
 
 But  may be separate package is more right solution?? Also not problem
 have both packages in Fedora or I mistaken?
 
 I want take this. Aurélien, if you like I can also take care of F11 and
 F10 branches.

You cannot take gwenview, kdegraphics has Obsoletes: for it and it will stay 
that way. The gwenview package is retired and will stay so. If gwenview is 
to be split, it has to be built as a subpackage of kdegraphics, but I'm 
opposed to that too.

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Re: Orphaning packages

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin Kofler

Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote:
 My point was different: I want use gwenview but don't always use
 kdegrapics, wich have big size. So, I often use it in XFCE.

But packaging an obsolete standalone package which is no longer released 
standalone by upstream and which conflicts with another package containing 
the current version surely cannot be the solution, and the resulting file 
conflicts are a violation of Fedora's guidelines.

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Re: Custom installation of Fedora

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 16:13:28 -0700,
  Markus Kesaromous remotes...@live.com wrote:
 
 During fedora install, if the user selects a customized  install rather than 
 the default, the user has to manually click on each and every app in the 
 selected group. This is horribly tedious. In the old RH releases, you could 
 just click on Everything button, and ALL of the rpms on the DVD would get 
 installed. Is it too much to ask to add the Install Everything button for 
 Fedora

You can right click on the group and select install optional packages.
It is still tedious if you want to install all of the languages packages,
but is OK for most groups.

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Re: Orphaning packages

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 15:25:32 -0500,
  Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 22:34:24 +0200,
   Aurelien Bompard gau...@free.fr wrote:
  I'm orphaning a few packages I'm not using anymore, feel free to take over:
  
  - glest  glest-data -- 3D real time strategy game
 
 I'll try taking these. Glest is on the games spin and one way or another I'll
 need to deal with Glest (as it is currently broken in rawhide). I might find
 myself over my head in which case I'll need to reophan them.

I have a new rawhide build out now to handle the openal-soft change and
finish the update that was partially setup when I took over. The build isn't
really really tested yet, as my rawhide machines don't have 3d and I am
in the process of making a livedvd to let me test on some other machines.
I took over the outstanding bugs.

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[Issue 43029] support PS-OpenType/OTF/(SFNT with CFF) fonts for PDF export and printing

2009-08-22 Thread jurf

To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43029





--- Additional comments from j...@openoffice.org Sat Aug 22 22:57:25 + 
2009 ---
Verified in Win XP - congratulations!

Tested with Iwona, TeXGyre fonts, Yanone Kaffeesatz and other open-sourcers.

If this test release seems fine to others, any idea when this might make it into
a Dev build?

Thanks.

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changing tabs to spaces in pager.py

2009-08-22 Thread Darren VanBuren


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I know that some of you dislike tabs, and when I was adding myself to  
pager.py, I found there were tabs in the HTML portion as opposed to  
spaces, and tmz pointed out that several other lines are indented with  
tabs.


I know it's pretty standard for us to use spaces for indentation, but  
I wanted to check whether it's okay to change pager.py further than  
adding myself (which ricky approved of on IRC earlier today).


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Re: changing tabs to spaces in pager.py

2009-08-22 Thread Mike McGrath

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Darren VanBuren wrote:

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 I know that some of you dislike tabs, and when I was adding myself to
 pager.py, I found there were tabs in the HTML portion as opposed to spaces,
 and tmz pointed out that several other lines are indented with tabs.

 I know it's pretty standard for us to use spaces for indentation, but I wanted
 to check whether it's okay to change pager.py further than adding myself
 (which ricky approved of on IRC earlier today).


This is correct, although at the moment unwritten.  We prefer 4 spaces to
a tab character.  Or as Seth says Tabs are a lie.

-Mike

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Re: changing tabs to spaces in pager.py

2009-08-22 Thread Darren VanBuren


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On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:


On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Darren VanBuren wrote:


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I know that some of you dislike tabs, and when I was adding myself to
pager.py, I found there were tabs in the HTML portion as opposed to  
spaces,

and tmz pointed out that several other lines are indented with tabs.

I know it's pretty standard for us to use spaces for indentation,  
but I wanted
to check whether it's okay to change pager.py further than adding  
myself

(which ricky approved of on IRC earlier today).



This is correct, although at the moment unwritten.  We prefer 4  
spaces to

a tab character.  Or as Seth says Tabs are a lie.

-Mike


So what's your opinion on me changing it?

Darren VanBuren
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Re: changing tabs to spaces in pager.py

2009-08-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore

My opinion is have at it. Fixing things is always welcome.  If you can't commit 
a fix prepare a patch. Its a great way to be involved and start to help.

Darren VanBuren onekop...@gmail.com wrote:

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On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:

 On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Darren VanBuren wrote:

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 I know that some of you dislike tabs, and when I was adding myself to
 pager.py, I found there were tabs in the HTML portion as opposed to  
 spaces,
 and tmz pointed out that several other lines are indented with tabs.

 I know it's pretty standard for us to use spaces for indentation,  
 but I wanted
 to check whether it's okay to change pager.py further than adding  
 myself
 (which ricky approved of on IRC earlier today).


 This is correct, although at the moment unwritten.  We prefer 4  
 spaces to
 a tab character.  Or as Seth says Tabs are a lie.

  -Mike

So what's your opinion on me changing it?

Darren VanBuren
onekop...@gmail.com

http://theoks.net/
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CSI doc

2009-08-22 Thread Paul W. Frields

Mike et al.,

I made a few updates to the CSI Security Policy document's incident
response plan -- Most of them were non-substantive, just fixing or
clarifying the language.  Any eyeballs or reviews of the changes
appreciated.  If it looks OK, feel free to publish the update at the
appropriate infrastructure.fp.o location.

By the way, if anyone has a tip for how to get Publican to build a
proper PDF from that document, I'd appreciate it.  It's totally hosed
on my Fedora 11 box, although I was able to build an HTML version and
then print to PDF from that.

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Re: CSI doc

2009-08-22 Thread Mike McGrath

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:

 Mike et al.,

 I made a few updates to the CSI Security Policy document's incident
 response plan -- Most of them were non-substantive, just fixing or
 clarifying the language.  Any eyeballs or reviews of the changes
 appreciated.  If it looks OK, feel free to publish the update at the
 appropriate infrastructure.fp.o location.

 By the way, if anyone has a tip for how to get Publican to build a
 proper PDF from that document, I'd appreciate it.  It's totally hosed
 on my Fedora 11 box, although I was able to build an HTML version and
 then print to PDF from that.


Yeah, the PDF making always seemed to only partially work to me.  Not sure
why, I'll take a look.

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fc9 and kde 4.3

2009-08-22 Thread Michal

Hallo group members.
Are there kde 4.3 rpm packages already available for fc9? if not are
they going to be?
best regards,
michal

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Re: Chinese input methods

2009-08-22 Thread Ed Greshko

Steve Underwood wrote:
 I think Romanised entry is a PITA, but nobody has implemented a decent
 stroke entry method for the recent X11 input schemes. I'd really like
 to find the time to port my old stroke input system from the xcin days
 to work with ibus. Chances are I won't. :-)

Romanization at its finest going from Chinese to Roman characters.  In
Taipei, at one time or another, they used 3 different methods to
Romanize street names.  The street that I live on had 3 different
spellings on signs depending on where in the city you were.  Combined
with the non-English speaking sign makers actually gave you 4 when they
produced both Pateh and Patch roads.



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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

Hi;

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 02:53 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:
 My last kernel was installed on:
 
 Aug 17 23:07:07 Installed: kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64

 The last updates for kmod-nvidia were:
 
 #  16-Aug-2009:
 kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64
 # 16-Aug-2009: kmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64
 
 http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/11/x86_64/repoview/index.html
 
 Until now, kmod-nvidia updates were provided within 24 hours. Did the
 Nouveau developers complain that updates were coming too soon? Is
 RPMfusion experiencing problems with akmod-nvidia? :) Or are they plainly
 on strike? I can't find information anywhere.
 

If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem
with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and 
kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is
the last nvidia module I have received.

I am using the nouveau driver in the meantime.


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Re: A good desktop Wi-Fi card for Fedora 10

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 15:52 -0400, William M. Quarles wrote:
 it conflicts with my Sigma Designs REALMagic Hollywood Plus DVD/MPEG-2
 decoder card

Have you tried the obvious of moving the cards between slots.  Some
conflicts are just because of shared IRQs (some slots share IRQs with
other slots, or other on-board hardware).

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Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jud Craft wrote:
 the FAT32-user limitation is built into GNOME, so that's not going
 away

Obvious question:  Does it have to be FAT32?

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Re: list files but not directory

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:35 -0400, William Case wrote:
 It seems illogical, that 'ls' wouldn't have a flag that just shows
 files when it has a flag for directories.

Though that flag ls -d has a completely different purpose (show
directory names, rather than go into them and list their contents).

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Re: SMB client issue on F11

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 09:46 -0400, fred smith wrote:
 when I click PLACES | NETWORK I get the nautilus file browser but it
 doesn't find any of the samba shares on my LAN.
 
 but if I boot up the live CD of F11, and do the same thing, it does.

You could try the following command line on both systems, then add
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 rpm -qa \*samba\*

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Re: list files but not directory

Hi Tim;
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 16:58 +0930, Tim wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:35 -0400, William Case wrote:
  It seems illogical, that 'ls' wouldn't have a flag that just shows
  files when it has a flag for directories.
 
 Though that flag ls -d has a completely different purpose (show
 directory names, rather than go into them and list their contents).
 
True.  But whatever its purpose, it does give me a list of directory
names.

All that I am saying is that it would be handy to have a simple util
that listed file names.  I suggest 'ls' because it is probably the most
used and first learned listing utility and therefore would be the place
to have it.  It would be useful to beginners (particularly those who do
not yet have any idea what a regexp is) and for script writing or piping
to sed, awk, grep or a new file (or for appending).

The idea is getting no positive responses, so I will drop it.

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Re: plotting large datasets

2009-08-22 Thread Roberto Ragusa

DJ Delorie wrote:
 I've got a need to plot value vs time data for 32 channels
 simultaneously.  Gnuplot isn't up to the task (not enough uniqueness,
 even mixing lines and points, or control - the graph is just a mess).
 What else is there?
 
 Ideally, I'd like something I can interact with - enable/disable
 channels, highlight channels, change the time range, etc.  The data
 comes from processed log files, so either file or API input is OK.
 
 Ideas?

Try xmgrace.

Old style GUI, unconventional controls, but incredibly powerful and
exceptional output quality when printing (EPS export).

Not immediately easy to use, but it is worth the time needed
for learning.

xmgrace : excel_graphs = latex : word

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Re: Thunderbird does not shutdown properly in F11?

2009-08-22 Thread Anne Wilson

On Saturday 22 August 2009 02:52:37 David Boles wrote:
 Ya know. That is odd.

 From Thunderbird I pulled up 'the' page and, never looking, sent it.

 Sorry. Same plugin from the same person.

 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/6543

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread paul s


gilpel, William -

akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and 


akmod worked for me... i just had to clean out all the old kmods and 
restart a couple of times to figure out what akmod was doing...


its a nVidia GeForce 8600M GT with the attached rpms... the kmod-.* were 
/obv built by akomd...


do you have kernel-devel installed? it is required for the build... and 
noticed that when i installed akmod it installed a duplicate rpm for 
kernel-devel so i had to scrub that as well before it was successful..


cheers
paul






On 08/22/2009 03:06 AM, William Case wrote:

Hi;

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 02:53 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:

My last kernel was installed on:

Aug 17 23:07:07 Installed: kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64



The last updates for kmod-nvidia were:

#  16-Aug-2009:
kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64
# 16-Aug-2009: kmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64

http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/11/x86_64/repoview/index.html

Until now, kmod-nvidia updates were provided within 24 hours. Did the
Nouveau developers complain that updates were coming too soon? Is
RPMfusion experiencing problems with akmod-nvidia? :) Or are they plainly
on strike? I can't find information anywhere.



If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem
with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and 
kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is

the last nvidia module I have received.

I am using the nouveau driver in the meantime.


akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11 Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:29:28 PM EDT
akmods-0.3.6-3.fc11   Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:21:47 PM EDT
akmod-wl-5.10.91.9-3.fc11 Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:21:48 PM EDT
kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11  Tue 18 Aug 2009 11:46:26 AM EDT
kernel-devel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11Tue 18 Aug 2009 11:47:00 AM EDT
kernel-firmware-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11 Tue 18 Aug 2009 11:46:20 AM EDT
kernel-headers-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11  Tue 18 Aug 2009 11:47:12 AM EDT
kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11 Tue 18 Aug 2009 
12:29:59 PM EDT
kmodtool-1-18.fc11Sun 14 Jun 2009 02:35:54 AM EDT
kmod-wl-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64-5.10.91.9-3.fc11 Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:23:07 
PM EDT
libmikmod-3.2.0-4.beta2.fc11  Sun 14 Jun 2009 02:25:27 AM EDT
mikmod-3.2.2-10.beta1.fc11Sun 14 Jun 2009 02:33:08 AM EDT
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.14-3.fc11  Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:29:29 PM EDT
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.14-3.fc11 Tue 18 Aug 2009 12:29:35 PM EDT
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Re: fc9 and kde 4.3

2009-08-22 Thread Steve Searle

Around 07:07am on Saturday, August 22, 2009 (UK time), Michal scrawled:

 Are there kde 4.3 rpm packages already available for fc9? if not are
 they going to be?

Fedora 9 (F9 not FC9) has reached its end of life, an nothing new will
be released for them.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread Matthew Saltzman

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:
 Hi;

 If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem
 with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
 akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and 
 kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is
 the last nvidia module I have received.

In what sense does akmod not work?  Do you get messages at boot, in
dmesg, or in /var/log/messages?

What happens if you run akmods --force from the command line (as root)?
(If you aren't running the kernel you want to build for, add --kernels
kernel-version.)

FWIW, aknod worked smooth as silk here (Quadro NVS 140M
2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64) and even with legacy drivers (GeForce FX
5400 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE).


 
 I am using the nouveau driver in the meantime.
 
 
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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread Gilboa Davara

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu wrote:

 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:
  Hi;

  If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem
  with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
  akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and
  kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is
  the last nvidia module I have received.

 In what sense does akmod not work?  Do you get messages at boot, in
 dmesg, or in /var/log/messages?

 What happens if you run akmods --force from the command line (as root)?
 (If you aren't running the kernel you want to build for, add --kernels
 kernel-version.)

 FWIW, aknod worked smooth as silk here (Quadro NVS 140M
 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64) and even with legacy drivers (GeForce FX
 5400 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE).


I'm using the akmod for a while now (on 4 different machines) and they seem
to work just fine.
However, make sure you:

1. Install the required packages: (64bit with multi-lib in this case)
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.i586
akmod-nvidia.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.86_64

2. Build the required modules:
/etc/init.d/akmods restart
/etc/init.d/nvidia restart

3. Add the missing module configurations in xorg.conf
Section Files
ModulePath  /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia/
ModulePath  /usr/lib64/xorg/drivers
ModulePath  /usr/lib64/xorg/modules
EndSection

4. Restart X.

Hope it helps,
- Gilboa
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Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop

2009-08-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic

On Saturday 22 August 2009 08:20:36 Tim wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jud Craft wrote:
  the FAT32-user limitation is built into GNOME, so that's not going
  away

Why not tweak the /etc/fstab (I believe Ed Greshko already gave you that 
suggestion)?

If I understand your usecase correctly, you can do it this way:

1) create some dummy user
2) modify /etc/fstab to have the drive mounted at boot time with the dummy 
user/group as owners (uid, gid), give it rwx permissions for the dummy group 
(umask), set appropriate SELinux info (context)
3) put all users that are supposed to use that drive into the dummy group
4) check that everything works as it should

man mount is your friend. :-)

Also, all this has nothing to do with Gnome, it shoud honor your settings.

HTH, :-)
Marko


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Re: plotting large datasets (DJ Delorie)

2009-08-22 Thread Rick Walker


Hi DJ,

 I can send you a pdplot input if you want to see what I'm up against.
 I got it to work, and the results are somewhat more usable that
 gnuplot in some ways, but less in other ways.  Some first impressions:

Please do, and then we can probably take this discussion into private email.

 1. The Time axis should have an option for time(2) format, converting
to day/hours/sec etc.  Currently, it shows the ten digit values in
scientific format, which overlap.

I usually send my data through some other program to manipulate the
data.  I have a 3 line idiom in awk to process UNIX time into decimal
dates like 2009.345 for plotting purposes. 

 2. It doesn't label the individual graphs, so you can't tell which
graph is which.

You can label each graph with the yscale command.  nextygraph takes
you to the next graph and yscale factor label gives it a yscale
label. 

You can also put legends in the graph itself with label x y
string, taking care to make sure it fits. 

 3. The zooming is different than everyone else - should be click-drag
rectangle (with outline), release to zoom.  The second point should
be allowed to be just outside the plot so you can reliably grab the
zero axis. 

It is different than gnuplot, but it is the same as HP's post processor
which is what the initial target audience was used to.  However, it's
not hard to change the zooming, and I think your suggestion is a good
one. 

 4. Dude, scrollbars :-)

What did you want to scroll?

 5. The git clone command fails.

Thanks.  I just fixed that.

 6. The homepage link opens the homepage within a frame, need to
  re-target the top window.

Thanks.  I'll fix that.

 7. If it had the ability to enable/disable the various graphs through
the GUI, it'd be nearly prefect for me, caveat the above.

This feature can be done nicely with a page of Tcl/Tk, customized to
your particular need.  Sometimes I use pdplot for multiple graphs,
sometimes as simply a vector plotter.  It's mostly optimized for driving
through stdin from a script.  That's why I suggest a front-end wrapper
to handle your application-specific data munging and formatting.  I use
awk() perl() or Tk(). 

You could even write a super simple bash or ksh script that let you do
something like:

plot 1 2 3  ; plot datapoints 1,2 and 3
plot 3-6; plot datasets 3 through 6

The plot script would read the arguments, parse the data file 
with grep or awk, label the plot and spit the ascii
representation to pd which would update the pdplot window.

If you want to send me the details of your data storage format, I can
make you a simple tool to select your plots on the fly.  Every
application is different, so I usually build this kind of stuff
as part of the problem setup for each different investigation.

Thanks for taking a look, and for the nice suggestions.

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Re: fc9 and kde 4.3

2009-08-22 Thread Michal


Steve Searle st...@stevesearle.com writes:

 Around 07:07am on Saturday, August 22, 2009 (UK time), Michal scrawled:

 Are there kde 4.3 rpm packages already available for fc9? if not are
 they going to be?

 Fedora 9 (F9 not FC9) has reached its end of life, an nothing new will
 be released for them.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle

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Steve,
thank You for the answer
best regards,
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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread Tom Horsley

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:10:21 +0300
Gilboa Davara wrote:
 1,2,3...
 4. Restart X.

I've also used akmod on systems that needed it, and did
not have to do any of those things, they all just happened
automagically via yum install akmod-nvidia

Anyway, on this particular thread's original subject,
I could swear I saw something somewhere (maybe not this list)
that said there was a bug with latest kernel and nvidia
driver, and rpmfusion (and everyone else) are waiting on
a fix from nvidia (but since I can't find a pointer to
that, maybe I am mis-remembering something else similar).

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Re: Thunderbird does not shutdown properly in F11?

2009-08-22 Thread David Boles

On 8/22/2009 5:47 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Saturday 22 August 2009 02:52:37 David Boles wrote:
 Ya know. That is odd.

 From Thunderbird I pulled up 'the' page and, never looking, sent it.

 Sorry. Same plugin from the same person.

 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/6543
 
 Yup - there is something odd there.  At one point I checked for extensions 
 from Thunderbird, and found that it directed me to Firefox extensions.  You 
 wouldn't expect a mistake like that.


I have seen this before but not often. If you look 'inside' this
extension, either one, it is a 'fits all' that works on FF, TB, others.
They are the same package.


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Re: A good desktop Wi-Fi card for Fedora 10

2009-08-22 Thread William M. Quarles


Tim wrote:

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 15:52 -0400, William M. Quarles wrote:

it conflicts with my Sigma Designs REALMagic Hollywood Plus DVD/MPEG-2
decoder card


Have you tried the obvious of moving the cards between slots.  Some
conflicts are just because of shared IRQs (some slots share IRQs with
other slots, or other on-board hardware).



Yes, and I have also tried reassigning the IRQs with the BIOS to fully 
make sure that they don't conflict. I still could not get them to work 
together, so I am pretty sure that it is not an IRQ problem. Neither OS 
locks up until it has loaded the drivers for both cards.


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Cron Problem

2009-08-22 Thread rgheck



Hi,

Here is a line from my cron file:

55 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22 * * * audiogon.pl -f /tmp/rss/bw.xml 
'http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl?WORD=b%26wFOCUS=EXYCTGSK=spkrfullsubmit=Search'


It doesn't matter here what the audiogon.pl script does. (It scrapes the 
URL given and creates an RSS feed.) The problem is that this will not run.



/bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'
/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file

   

The subject line of the email reads:

Cron rgh...@rghquad /home/rgheck/bin/audiogon.pl -f /tmp/rss/bw.xml 
'http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl?WORD=b


So the problem seems to be the embedded %26 in the command: Thats is 
the URL-encoding for the ampersand (we're searching for BW 
loudspeakers).  But even the single-quotes seem not to be protecting it 
from the shell. And is it relevant that it encodes the ampersand? Or is 
it the % that is causing the problem?


Whichever it is, does anyone know how this can be made to run?

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: Cron Problem

2009-08-22 Thread Tom Horsley

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:17:36 -0400
rgheck wrote:

 Whichever it is, does anyone know how this can be made to run?

It is always fantastically difficult to know how many different
layers of shell escape processing stuff is gonna wind up
going through. If I were you, I'd make a shell script
with that whole command in it, verify that the shell script
works, then just invoke the shell script from cron so
there won't be any shell escaping going on till it gets
into the script itself.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:
  Hi;
 
  If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem
  with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
  akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and 
  kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is
  the last nvidia module I have received.
 
 In what sense does akmod not work?  Do you get messages at boot, in
 dmesg, or in /var/log/messages?
 

I removed the akmod-nvidia and reinstalled, just to see.  On rebooting,
both the 2.7 and the 2.8 kernels freeze during init with r8169: eth0:
link up showing on an otherwise blank screen.  I have waited for over 5
minutes for the kernel(s) to rebuild but my machine just remained
inactive.

 What happens if you run akmods --force from the command line (as root)?
 (If you aren't running the kernel you want to build for, add --kernels
 kernel-version.)
 
I haven't tried akmods -- force.  I will try it now and check my dmesg
and /var/log/messages afterwards.


 FWIW, aknod worked smooth as silk here (Quadro NVS 140M
 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64) and even with legacy drivers (GeForce FX
 5400 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE).
 
I never had a problem with akmod-nvidia before either.  I have been
using it for a least a year now -- until the
2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel and the 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
kernel. They wouldn't rebuild but my system would default to the vesa
driver after akmod-nvidia was removed.  The 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64
kernel works fine.

 
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Re: Cron Problem

2009-08-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik


rgheck writes:



Hi,

Here is a line from my cron file:

55 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22 * * * audiogon.pl -f /tmp/rss/bw.xml 
'http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl?WORD=b%26wFOCUS=EXYCTGSK=spkrfullsubmit=Search'


It doesn't matter here what the audiogon.pl script does. (It scrapes the 
URL given and creates an RSS feed.) The problem is that this will not run.



/bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'
/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file

   

The subject line of the email reads:

Cron rgh...@rghquad /home/rgheck/bin/audiogon.pl -f /tmp/rss/bw.xml 
'http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl?WORD=b


So the problem seems to be the embedded %26 in the command: Thats is 
the URL-encoding for the ampersand (we're searching for BW 
loudspeakers).  But even the single-quotes seem not to be protecting it 
from the shell. And is it relevant that it encodes the ampersand? Or is 
it the % that is causing the problem?


Whichever it is, does anyone know how this can be made to run?



From the crontab(5) manual page reads:


  The sixth field (the rest of the line) specifies the  command  to  be
  run.   The  entire  command  portion  of the line, up to a newline or %
  character, will be executed by /bin/sh or by the shell specified in the
  SHELL  variable  of  the  cronfile.   Percent-signs (%) in the command,
  unless escaped with backslash (\), will be changed into newline charac-
  ters,  and  all  data  after the first % will be sent to the command as
  standard input.



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Re: conflict between packages

2009-08-22 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:09:31 +0100, Frank wrote:

 On 21/08/09 20:24, Michael Schwendt wrote:
  On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:19:16 +0100, Frank wrote:
 
  On 21/08/09 19:09, Patrick Dupre wrote:
  Hello,
 
  THis is the message that I got:
 
  est Transaction Errors: file
  /etc/fonts/conf.avail/25-unhint-nonlatin.conf from install of
  fontconfig-2.7.1-1.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
  --snip--
 
  yum --skip-broken
 
  Won't help as it only covers the depsolving stage. Above is a
  conflict that is only discovered during the transaction test.
 
 
 
 has worked for me where i686 and x86_64 had conflicts,
 which part of the transfer had no idea.

The implementation doesn't do that. The skip-broken code only handles
dependency errors. It kicks in if unresolved dependencies are found. Only
then it excludes packages from the transaction set and returns to the
dependency resolving stage. On the contrary, the transaction test with
RPM comes later, and if there are errors, they are fatal.

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No Sound After kernel-2.6.30.5-32.fc11.i586

2009-08-22 Thread Garry T. Williams

After updating (from updates-testing) to kernel-2.6.30.5-32.fc11.i586, 
sound stopped working.  The pulseaudio volume control(KDE - 
Applications - Multimedia - Volume Control) shows sound levels, but 
nothing hits the speakers.  (No problems on previous 
kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i586 .)

I filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518740 and would 
like to know how to collect further information.

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Re: Cron Problem

2009-08-22 Thread rgheck


On 08/22/2009 09:28 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

From the crontab(5) manual page reads:

  The sixth field (the rest of the line) specifies the  command  
to  be
  run.   The  entire  command  portion  of the line, up to a 
newline or %
  character, will be executed by /bin/sh or by the shell specified 
in the
  SHELL  variable  of  the  cronfile.   Percent-signs (%) in the 
command,
  unless escaped with backslash (\), will be changed into newline 
charac-
  ters,  and  all  data  after the first % will be sent to the 
command as

  standard input.



Thanks. I'm guessing this solves it.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

Hi;

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 09:22 -0400, William Case wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
  On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:

  What happens if you run akmods --force from the command line (as root)?
  (If you aren't running the kernel you want to build for, add --kernels
  kernel-version.)


  
 I haven't tried akmods -- force.  I will try it now and check my dmesg
 and /var/log/messages afterwards.
 
/var/log/messages warns:

NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 185.18.31, but
NVRM: this kernel module has the version 185.18.14.  Please
NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
NVRM: components have the same version.

But for 2.8 ]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64
Checking kmods exist for 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64  [  OK  ]

and for 2.7;
]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
Could not find files needed to compile modules for
2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64


 
  FWIW, aknod worked smooth as silk here (Quadro NVS 140M
  2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64) and even with legacy drivers (GeForce FX
  5400 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.i686.PAE).
  
 I never had a problem with akmod-nvidia before either.  I have been
 using it for a least a year now -- until the
 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel and the 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
 kernel. They wouldn't rebuild but my system would default to the vesa
 driver after akmod-nvidia was removed.  The 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64
 kernel works fine.
 
  
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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

Hi;

Additional info.

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:10 -0400, William Case wrote:
 Hi;
 
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 09:22 -0400, William Case wrote:
  On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
   On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:

 /var/log/messages warns:
 
 NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 185.18.31, but
 NVRM: this kernel module has the version 185.18.14.  Please
 NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
 NVRM: components have the same version.
 
 But for 2.8 ]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64
 Checking kmods exist for 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64  [  OK  ]
 
 and for 2.7;
 ]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
 Could not find files needed to compile modules for
 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
 
]# rpm -qa akmod-nvidia
akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64



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Re: plotting large datasets

2009-08-22 Thread Les

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 20:21 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
 NiftyFedora Mitch niftyfed...@niftyegg.com writes:
  32 channels is a LOT.
 
 Hence the problem :-)
 
  Could you, an artist or a draftsman do it by hand?
  Do you need all 32 channels on one page?
i.e. can you plot 4, 8, 16 to a page and just print more pages.
 
 Ideally, I'd have a GUI where I can select which channels to view, or
 show them all as a background color and select which ones to
 color/highlight.  I don't need to see them *all* at the same time (at
 least, not in a way that each channel is uniquely identifiable) but
 the ones I do see should be together (same scale and axes).
 
 Now, if gnuplot had options for dashed or dotted lines, I might have
 squeaked by with it...
 
I have used the charting capability of Calc (the spreadsheet) to plot
data before, and that will handle quite a few lines at a time. Each data
can be added or deleted easily from the range selection by simply typing
in the range to view.  Not quite like having a button that shows it, but
perhaps you could write a macro to implement that capability?

I have viewed 10 columns with over 3 samples each with this tool.

I don't know about 32 columns, but it would probably handle that as
well.  Your biggest issue is how to set them up.  The chart tool in calc
will let you display them in various formats, and colors.

Regards,
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Re: yum problem with installing ktorrent

2009-08-22 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:18:04 -0700, Markus wrote:

 
 On FC11, latest updates, I did:
 $ sudo yum install ktorrent
 Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
 Setting up Install Process
 Resolving Dependencies
 -- Running transaction check
 --- Package ktorrent.i586 0:3.2.3-1.fc11 set to be updated
 -- Processing Dependency: kdelibs4(x86-32)= 4.3.00 for package: 
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586
 -- Finished Dependency Resolution
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586 from updates has depsolving problems
   -- Missing Dependency: kdelibs4(x86-32)= 4.3.00 is needed by package 
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586 (updates)
 Error: Missing Dependency: kdelibs4(x86-32)= 4.3.00 is needed by package 
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586 (updates)
  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
  You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
 package-cleanup --dupes
 rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
 
 However, I cannot find kdelibs rev 4.3  for FC11 to solve this dependency 
 problem.
 

See yesterday's thread yum update failure. ktorrent should not have been
published, since it's built for KDE 4.3 that's still in updates-testing only.

You could temporarily enable the updates-testing repo and help with testing,
though. ;)

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Re: Ugly panel icon for Firefox

2009-08-22 Thread Misha Shnurapet

В Птн, 21/08/2009 в 13:38 -0700, Alan Evans пишет:
 Just one followup to this, and then I'll shut up, I promise.
 
 I booted a Fedora 11 LiveCD, did a yum install thunderbird and put
 the launcher on the panel for reference:
 
 http://alanevans.org/lists/fedora-list-20090821a.png
 
 Then I did yum update firefox and suddenly:
 
 http://alanevans.org/lists/fedora-list-20090821b.png
 
 So I am remembering correctly that the icon used to be nicer. Really.
 I'm not crazy...
 

Mozilla have changed the icon in 3.5. It requires a little bit of
getting used to it. :)

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Re: Local cache / 'repo' of updates and added RPM's

2009-08-22 Thread Adalbert Prokop

Patrick O'Callaghan schrieb:

Hello!

 As I said earlier, it would be useful to keep only the latest versions,
 i.e. when a package is updated, remove the old cached rpm. Maybe that's
 what keepcache=1 already does, but the man page is not clear.

You could use repomanage (a part of yum-utils package) to delete old
packages in the cache.

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Re: list files but not directory

2009-08-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:59 -0400, William Case wrote:
 Hi Tim;
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 16:58 +0930, Tim wrote:
  On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:35 -0400, William Case wrote:
   It seems illogical, that 'ls' wouldn't have a flag that just shows
   files when it has a flag for directories.
  
  Though that flag ls -d has a completely different purpose (show
  directory names, rather than go into them and list their contents).
  
 True.  But whatever its purpose, it does give me a list of directory
 names.

In fact it lists *all* its arguments as usual (the default being ., as
always), except that those which are directories are not listed
recursively. It doesn't give a list of directory names, unless that's
what the arguments happen to be.

There are no flags to ls which mean ignore any arguments which belong
to this class of object.

 All that I am saying is that it would be handy to have a simple util
 that listed file names.

If you want to filter out directories, use grep, as several people have
pointed out. That's the Unix Way (tm).

  I suggest 'ls' because it is probably the most
 used and first learned listing utility and therefore would be the place
 to have it.  It would be useful to beginners (particularly those who do
 not yet have any idea what a regexp is) and for script writing or piping
 to sed, awk, grep or a new file (or for appending).

Said beginners need to learn that *directories are files* (and devices
are files, named pipes are files, etc.). This is an important concept
which should not be hidden.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:25 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote:
 They weren't bad until now. For the last 3-4 kernel updates, which is
 the
 time I've been using them, updates came real fast. Then, with
 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64, I decided to give akmod a try, and it was
 a
 complete failure. (Of course, that was with my video card, an Asus
 EN9400GT.)

 Just an FYI, I searched the release notes from Nvidia[1] and it lists
 two 9400 GT cards are supported. The device ID's are 0x042C  0x0641.
 You can try lspci -nn | grep VGA and see if your's is one of the
 two. For instance, my output is:

Mine is the 0x0641.

 Also, I'm not sure what is going wrong with your akmod package but it
 works like a charm for me. Do you have the kernel-devel package
 installed for your current kernel? I can never remember if
 kernel-headers is required too or not so I just install both.

A total of 18 packages, if I remember well, are installed with akmod and
you have nothing on your system for development, and those are part of the
kit.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

Bill wrote:

 I am having exactly the same problem
 with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
 akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and
 kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64 is
 the last nvidia module I have received.

I received it too. Unfortunately, my experiences with akmod fucked up
everything. Now I can't install it.

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Re: Local cache / 'repo' of updates and added RPM's

2009-08-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 17:35 +0200, Adalbert Prokop wrote:
 Patrick O'Callaghan schrieb:
 
 Hello!
 
  As I said earlier, it would be useful to keep only the latest versions,
  i.e. when a package is updated, remove the old cached rpm. Maybe that's
  what keepcache=1 already does, but the man page is not clear.
 
 You could use repomanage (a part of yum-utils package) to delete old
 packages in the cache.

Thanks, I really wanted it to happen automatically but this could be a
good start. Perhaps if yum had a post-processing hook the user could
configure it to do this.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

 On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:10:21 +0300
 Gilboa Davara wrote:
 1,2,3...
 4. Restart X.

 I've also used akmod on systems that needed it, and did
 not have to do any of those things, they all just happened
 automagically via yum install akmod-nvidia

I suppose that's how it should work too. Except it doesn't. Try as you
might all change this and change that, if rpmfusion can't get akmod out,
I figure I won't do better here.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:
  Hi;

  If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem
  with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel.
  akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and
  kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is
  the last nvidia module I have received.

 In what sense does akmod not work?  Do you get messages at boot, in
 dmesg, or in /var/log/messages?


 I removed the akmod-nvidia and reinstalled, just to see.  On rebooting,
 both the 2.7 and the 2.8 kernels freeze during init with r8169: eth0:
 link up showing on an otherwise blank screen.  I have waited for over 5
 minutes for the kernel(s) to rebuild but my machine just remained
 inactive.

Exactly the problem I have.

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RE: yum problem with installing ktorrent

2009-08-22 Thread Markus Kesaromous

 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:39:28 +0200
 From: mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: fedora-list@redhat.com
 Subject: Re: yum problem with installing ktorrent

 On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:18:04 -0700, Markus wrote:

 On FC11, latest updates, I did:
 $ sudo yum install ktorrent
 Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
 Setting up Install Process
 Resolving Dependencies
 -- Running transaction check
 --- Package ktorrent.i586 0:3.2.3-1.fc11 set to be updated
 -- Processing Dependency: kdelibs4(x86-32)= 4.3.00 for package: 
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586
 -- Finished Dependency Resolution
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586 from updates has depsolving problems
 -- Missing Dependency: kdelibs4(x86-32)= 4.3.00 is needed by package 
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586 (updates)
 Error: Missing Dependency: kdelibs4(x86-32)= 4.3.00 is needed by package 
 ktorrent-3.2.3-1.fc11.i586 (updates)
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
 package-cleanup --dupes
 rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest

 However, I cannot find kdelibs rev 4.3 for FC11 to solve this dependency 
 problem.

 See yesterday's thread yum update failure. ktorrent should not have been
 published, since it's built for KDE 4.3 that's still in updates-testing only.

 You could temporarily enable the updates-testing repo and help with testing,
 though. ;)

Thanks for the heads-up. I will try to locate the previous version of
ktorrent that does not require kde 4.3.

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Re: A good desktop Wi-Fi card for Fedora 10

2009-08-22 Thread Bob Goodwin


William M. Quarles wrote:

Tim wrote:

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 15:52 -0400, William M. Quarles wrote:

it conflicts with my Sigma Designs REALMagic Hollywood Plus DVD/MPEG-2
decoder card


Have you tried the obvious of moving the cards between slots.  Some
conflicts are just because of shared IRQs (some slots share IRQs with
other slots, or other on-board hardware).



Yes, and I have also tried reassigning the IRQs with the BIOS to fully 
make sure that they don't conflict. I still could not get them to work 
together, so I am pretty sure that it is not an IRQ problem. Neither 
OS locks up until it has loaded the drivers for both cards.




i would suggest that you look at wireless Ethernet bridges. I have three 
of them on our home LAN and they are the simplest to configure, no 
drivers needed. I have some brand new PCI card adapters still in the 
boxes, gave up on them long ago.


The Ethernet bridges are configured from your browser. I have one from 
Linksys and two from Buffalo, the latest  Nfiniti wireless-N dual Band 
Ethernet controller according to the box which I am looking at as I 
type this. Set one up and you can plug any computer into it, as I said 
no drivers to install, and in fact I have three computers and a laser 
printer connected to the four ports on this newest one.


My 2¢ worth.

Bob

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread Mail Lists

On 08/22/2009 07:52 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

 Anyway, on this particular thread's original subject,
 I could swear I saw something somewhere (maybe not this list)
 that said there was a bug with latest kernel and nvidia
 driver, and rpmfusion (and everyone else) are waiting on
 a fix from nvidia (but since I can't find a pointer to
 that, maybe I am mis-remembering something else similar).
 

  FYI - I have compile error in nv.c from akmod-nvidia-173xxx with the
2.6.30.5 kernel - as per the messages file the logs are in
/var/cache/akmods/

  There are a few warnings, and several errors - 1 sample shown below:

---
20 Aug 19:40:35 akmods: Building RPM using the command
'/usr/bin/akmodsbuild --target x86_64 --kernels
2.6.30.5-28.rc2.fc11.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-173xx-kmod.latest'

/tmp/akmodsbuild.aIqXg32b/BUILD/nvidia-173xx-kmod-173.14.18/_kmod_build_2.6.30.5-28.rc2.fc11.x86_64/usr/src/nv/nv.c:610:
error: 'struct proc_dir_entry' has no member named 'owner'



  I suspect we need someone to repair nv.c wrapper function for the
driver as it referencing no longer existing structure members.

  Logged at: https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663



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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread suvayu ali

2009/8/22 Tom Horsley tom.hors...@att.net:
 Anyway, on this particular thread's original subject,

This might be of interest.
http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusion-users/2009-August/000489.html

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Re: list files but not directory

Hi Patrick;

To continue as a conversation, but not belabour the point.

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 11:14 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:59 -0400, William Case wrote:
  Hi Tim;
  On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 16:58 +0930, Tim wrote:
   On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:35 -0400, William Case wrote:
It seems illogical, that 'ls' wouldn't have a flag that just shows
files when it has a flag for directories.
   
   Though that flag ls -d has a completely different purpose (show
   directory names, rather than go into them and list their contents).
   
  True.  But whatever its purpose, it does give me a list of directory
  names.
 
 In fact it lists *all* its arguments as usual (the default being ., as
 always), except that those which are directories are not listed
 recursively. It doesn't give a list of directory names, unless that's
 what the arguments happen to be.
 

Yea, I know.  But by reading the ls man page and a couple of experiments
I was able to get ls -d ./* to print a list of the directories to stout.

 There are no flags to ls which mean ignore any arguments which belong
 to this class of object.
 
And isn't that a shame.

  All that I am saying is that it would be handy to have a simple util
  that listed file names.
 
 If you want to filter out directories, use grep, as several people have
 pointed out. That's the Unix Way (tm).

But why make people use grep ( a whole to learning curve; particularly
if you are new) when I simple option could do it for you.

 
   I suggest 'ls' because it is probably the most
  used and first learned listing utility and therefore would be the place
  to have it.  It would be useful to beginners (particularly those who do
  not yet have any idea what a regexp is) and for script writing or piping
  to sed, awk, grep or a new file (or for appending).
 
 Said beginners need to learn that *directories are files* (and devices
 are files, named pipes are files, etc.). This is an important concept
 which should not be hidden.

I don't limit my remarks to Said beginners, I think the option would
be useful to practised Linux users too.  But remembering the
befuddlement, confusion and fluster I felt as a new user did bring the
issue back to mind.

Nor do I think it is the place of any Linux distribution to decide when
and what users should learn.  To me, that's M$ type of thinking.
Perhaps some users can't remember as far back as when they first started
using Linux or Unix, or perhaps they have always had an intuitive grasp
of how computers work.

Or, maybe, there is just the natural old pro desire to force an
unnecessarily onerous initiation period on beginners. 

In lieu of providing an additional option to 'ls' coreutils could
provide an 'lsf' command that would print the simple information that is
desired.  I didn't jump into this thread because it was something I
REALLY NEEDED, but because I thought it might be useful to others.

Such an lsf command should be a kind of a command line alternative to
gui file browsers like nautilus.

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Spell checking in vim

2009-08-22 Thread Christoph Höger

Hi folks,

I just wanted to spellcheck some files with vim.
set spelllang=de reports that de.utf-8.spl is missing. 

Is there a package that provides that file or do I have to search
upstream for it?

regards

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Re: Spell checking in vim

2009-08-22 Thread Marco Guazzone

2009/8/22 Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de:
 Hi folks,

 I just wanted to spellcheck some files with vim.
 set spelllang=de reports that de.utf-8.spl is missing.

 Is there a package that provides that file or do I have to search
 upstream for it?


If you enter ViM and in command mode type:

:setlocal spell spelllang=de

ViM should tell you the following:

  Cannot find spell file for de in utf-8
  Do you want me to try downloading it?
  (Y)es, [N]o:

If you type Y ViM should downlod the file for you.

Cheers,

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Re: GNOME startup, -before- desktop

2009-08-22 Thread Aldo Foot

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Marko Vojinovicvvma...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Saturday 22 August 2009 08:20:36 Tim wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jud Craft wrote:
  the FAT32-user limitation is built into GNOME, so that's not going
  away

 Why not tweak the /etc/fstab (I believe Ed Greshko already gave you that
 suggestion)?

 If I understand your usecase correctly, you can do it this way:

 1) create some dummy user
 2) modify /etc/fstab to have the drive mounted at boot time with the dummy
 user/group as owners (uid, gid), give it rwx permissions for the dummy group
 (umask), set appropriate SELinux info (context)
 3) put all users that are supposed to use that drive into the dummy group
 4) check that everything works as it should

That would work... but you don't have to create a new user.
Set the ownership to the user nobody and the dummy group
Set the group permissions for the directory to SGID.
Later you add users to the dummygrp group in /etc/group.

~af

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wordpress rpm update -- 2.8.4

2009-08-22 Thread Steven W. Orr

If anyone cares, I am starting to learn how to use wordpress and a new rev
just got released. Since I installed using rpm and there is no 2.8.4 rpm that
I can find, I just built one. I put copies at

http://steveo.syslang.net/wordpress-2.8.4-1.fc10.noarch.rpm
http://steveo.syslang.net/wordpress-2.8.4-1.fc10.src.rpm

If you're on F11 then you can just build from the src rpm.

The 2.8.3 rpm came with a patch which seems to have been fixed upstream so I
pulled it. If anyone finds a problem with it, please let me know.

Enjoy.

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Re: list files but not directory

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 03:59:30 -0400,
  William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 All that I am saying is that it would be handy to have a simple util
 that listed file names.  I suggest 'ls' because it is probably the most
 used and first learned listing utility and therefore would be the place
 to have it.  It would be useful to beginners (particularly those who do
 not yet have any idea what a regexp is) and for script writing or piping
 to sed, awk, grep or a new file (or for appending).
 
 The idea is getting no positive responses, so I will drop it.

find . -type f

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Re: list files but not directory

2009-08-22 Thread Phil Meyer


ann kok wrote:
Hi 


any way to list files but not directory
  


Some time ago, there were at least 116 useful combinations of arguments 
to ls.


UNIX is 40 years old, and ls was there ...

Whenever this question pops up, and it does quite often, I respond with 
a question.


Why do you want to see just files?
and
What file types are you interested in?

Which usually gets a response like:  How many different file types are 
there?  for which the answer is: At least `egrep -v ^# 
/usr/share/file/magic | wc -l` (10179)


There are also some blank lines in the file, but you get the idea.

So now the question is:  What files types do you want ls to list?
and
Did you try the 'F' argument?

The 'F' argument to ls will attach a single character to the file name 
in order to identify what file types they are.  Of course, only the 
common file types can be identified this way -- there are only some 96 
displayable characters.


So we are back to the original question:

What is it you are trying to do?

The answer to that is very likely different from what you expected.

Good luck!

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Unable to install applications..

2009-08-22 Thread Sanjeev Gopinath

Hello,
I tried to install Electronic Lab for fedora 11 and I had this persistent 
problem..!
--
[r...@localhost Sanjeev]# yum install 'Electronic Lab'
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora. 
Please verify its path and try again
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can sum1 help me know what exactly I have to do to solve this issue.!

Regards,
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YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

Running 'yum update' from the command line, I am getting some file conflicts
between different arch/versions of the 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' packages.
This machine runs F11-x86_64.

Here's the actual error output:

code
Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/share/doc/glibc-2.10.1/NEWS from install of glibc-2.10.1-4.i686
conflicts with file from package glibc-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  file /usr/bin/ldd from install of glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts
with file from package glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl from install of
glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  file /usr/share/doc/glibc-common-2.10.1/ChangeLog.bz2 from install of
glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  file /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_AT from install of
glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
/code

Is this a known issue, or did I screw something up?

Ryan B. Lynch
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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

On 08/22/2009 03:17 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
 Running 'yum update' from the command line, I am getting some file
 conflicts between different arch/versions of the 'glibc' and
 'glibc-common' packages.  This machine runs F11-x86_64.
 
 Here's the actual error output:
 
 code
 Transaction Check Error:
   file /usr/share/doc/glibc-2.10.1/NEWS from install of
 glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 conflicts with file from package glibc-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/bin/ldd from install of glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts
 with file from package glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl from install of
 glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/share/doc/glibc-common-2.10.1/ChangeLog.bz2 from install of
 glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_AT from install of
 glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
 /code
 
 Is this a known issue, or did I screw something up?

Something is screwed up.  Possibly on your system.  glibc-common.i586 is
conflicting with glibc-common.i686.  I think you need one and not the
other.  Since you system is a base x86_64, I would suggest trying the
following:

# yum shell
 remove glibc-common.i586
 install glibc-common.i686
 run

and see if that helps

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread Matthew Saltzman

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:33 -0400, William Case wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:17 -0400, William Case wrote:
  Hi;
  
  Additional info.
  
  On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:10 -0400, William Case wrote:
   Hi;
   
   On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 09:22 -0400, William Case wrote:
On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:
  
   /var/log/messages warns:
   
   NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 185.18.31, but
   NVRM: this kernel module has the version 185.18.14.  Please
   NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
   NVRM: components have the same version.

This appears to be likely to cause a problem.  The kernel module is
likely to be the one from RPMfusion, but the client is from some other
source (nVidia directly, maybe?).  It's not at all surprising that the
version mismatch would cause a failure.

   
   But for 2.8 ]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64
   Checking kmods exist for 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64  [  OK  ]
   
   and for 2.7;
   ]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
   Could not find files needed to compile modules for
   2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64

I think this probably means that you don't have the kernel-devel RPM for
that kernel.

   
  ]# rpm -qa akmod-nvidia
  akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64
  
  
 I am now running on the 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64 kernel which is
 using the nvidia driver. According to the nvidia X server Settings gui
 the NVIDIA Driver Version: is 185.18.31
 
 Apparently a latter version than the more recent 2.7 and 2.8 kernels
 require ??

If you got that from RPMfusion, it's from the
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing repo.  I haven't tried that yet, but
the akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 one is the one that worked for
me.  If you didn't get it from RPMfusion, you might want to remove all
traces of it from wherever it came from and start from scratch with
akmod-nvidia.

 
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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

2009-08-22 Thread Geoffrey Leach

On 08/22/2009 12:24:08 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
 On 08/22/2009 03:17 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
  Running 'yum update' from the command line, I am getting some file
  conflicts between different arch/versions of the 'glibc' and
  'glibc-common' packages.  This machine runs F11-x86_64.
  
  Here's the actual error output:
  
  code
  Transaction Check Error:
file /usr/share/doc/glibc-2.10.1/NEWS from install of
  glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/bin/ldd from install of glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586
 conflicts
  with file from package glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl from install of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/share/doc/glibc-common-2.10.1/ChangeLog.bz2 from 
 install
 of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_AT from install of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  /code
  
  Is this a known issue, or did I screw something up?
 
 Something is screwed up.  Possibly on your system.  glibc-common.i586
 is
 conflicting with glibc-common.i686.  I think you need one and not the
 other.  Since you system is a base x86_64, I would suggest trying the
 following:
 
 # yum shell
  remove glibc-common.i586
  install glibc-common.i686
  run
 
 and see if that helps

H ... perhaps install glibc-common.x86_64? i686 is still 32 bit.



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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

On 08/22/2009 03:39 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
 On 08/22/2009 12:24:08 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
 On 08/22/2009 03:17 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
 Running 'yum update' from the command line, I am getting some file
 conflicts between different arch/versions of the 'glibc' and
 'glibc-common' packages.  This machine runs F11-x86_64.

 Here's the actual error output:

 code
 Transaction Check Error:
   file /usr/share/doc/glibc-2.10.1/NEWS from install of
 glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/bin/ldd from install of glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586
 conflicts
 with file from package glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl from install of
 glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/share/doc/glibc-common-2.10.1/ChangeLog.bz2 from 
 install
 of
 glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
   file /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_AT from install of
 glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
 glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
 /code

 Is this a known issue, or did I screw something up?

 Something is screwed up.  Possibly on your system.  glibc-common.i586
 is
 conflicting with glibc-common.i686.  I think you need one and not the
 other.  Since you system is a base x86_64, I would suggest trying the
 following:

 # yum shell
 remove glibc-common.i586
 install glibc-common.i686
 run

 and see if that helps
 
 H ... perhaps install glibc-common.x86_64? i686 is still 32 bit.

Not if its a multi-lib problem.  I assumed that the x86_64 part would
straighten itself out  But yes, he needs to ensure that all of his
secondary libs are either all i586 or all i686 (where he has a choice
between the two) and that they co-exist well with their x86_64
counterparts (which should be the primary concern anyways).

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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 15:44, Kevin J. Cummings 
cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote:

 On 08/22/2009 03:39 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
  On 08/22/2009 12:24:08 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
  On 08/22/2009 03:17 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
  Running 'yum update' from the command line, I am getting some file
  conflicts between different arch/versions of the 'glibc' and
  'glibc-common' packages.  This machine runs F11-x86_64.
 
  Here's the actual error output:
 
  code
  Transaction Check Error:
file /usr/share/doc/glibc-2.10.1/NEWS from install of
  glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/bin/ldd from install of glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586
  conflicts
  with file from package glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl from install of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/share/doc/glibc-common-2.10.1/ChangeLog.bz2 from
  install
  of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_AT from install of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  /code
 
  Is this a known issue, or did I screw something up?
 
  Something is screwed up.  Possibly on your system.  glibc-common.i586
  is
  conflicting with glibc-common.i686.  I think you need one and not the
  other.  Since you system is a base x86_64, I would suggest trying the
  following:
 
  # yum shell
  remove glibc-common.i586
  install glibc-common.i686
  run
 
  and see if that helps
 
  H ... perhaps install glibc-common.x86_64? i686 is still 32 bit.

 Not if its a multi-lib problem.  I assumed that the x86_64 part would
 straighten itself out  But yes, he needs to ensure that all of his
 secondary libs are either all i586 or all i686 (where he has a choice
 between the two) and that they co-exist well with their x86_64
 counterparts (which should be the primary concern anyways).



Here's the output of `yum list installed glibc-common glibc`, for reference:

code
Installed Packages
glibc.i686  2.10.1-2  installed
glibc.x86_64  2.10.1-2  installed
glibc-common.x86_642.10.1-2  installed
/code

I tried `yum remove glibc.i686`, but it wants to remove 116 packages, for
dependencies.  Mostly, it looks like stuff I installed while getting Skype
for Linux to run, so I'm pretty sure its going to break some things if I
remove it all.

Isn't this a packaging bug?  There's no conflict between my
currently-installed 'glibc.i686' and 'glib.x86_64' (2.10.1-2), although
there is a conflict between the two archs' 'glibc-common' packages.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 15:25 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:33 -0400, William Case wrote:
  On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:17 -0400, William Case wrote:
   Hi;
   
   Additional info.
   
   On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 10:10 -0400, William Case wrote:
Hi;

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 09:22 -0400, William Case wrote:
 On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
  On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote:
   
/var/log/messages warns:

NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 185.18.31, but
NVRM: this kernel module has the version 185.18.14.  Please
NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
NVRM: components have the same version.
 
 This appears to be likely to cause a problem.  The kernel module is
 likely to be the one from RPMfusion, but the client is from some other
 source (nVidia directly, maybe?).  It's not at all surprising that the
 version mismatch would cause a failure.
 

But for 2.8 ]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64
Checking kmods exist for 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64  [  OK  ]

and for 2.7;
]# akmods --force --kernels 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
Could not find files needed to compile modules for
2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64
 
 I think this probably means that you don't have the kernel-devel RPM for
 that kernel.

I didn't have the 2.7 kmods.  I don't know why.  As you can see the 2.8
loaded itself successfully.  I yum'd it separately; I now have it -- but
still no joy.
 

   ]# rpm -qa akmod-nvidia
   akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64
   
   
  I am now running on the 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64 kernel which is
  using the nvidia driver. According to the nvidia X server Settings gui
  the NVIDIA Driver Version: is 185.18.31
  
  Apparently a latter version than the more recent 2.7 and 2.8 kernels
  require ?
 If you got that from RPMfusion, it's from the
 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing repo.  

I am not sure whether it came from the rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing
repo or not.  In frustration, at one point I might have downloaded it
from the testing repo.

 I haven't tried that yet, but
 the akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 one is the one that worked for
 me.  

 If you didn't get it from RPMfusion, you might want to remove all
 traces of it from wherever it came from and start from scratch with
 akmod-nvidia.

Agreed.  I will remove all RPMfusion kmod related stuff and start over.


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avidemux: trouble initialising audio device

2009-08-22 Thread James Bridge

I am trying to use avidemux in fedora 11 but when I try to play a video
I get the message trouble initializing audio device. The video plays,
but silently. Prefs for sound give various options, including ALSA but
not PulseAudio. I suppose that's the problem. Has anyone got it to work?

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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

2009-08-22 Thread suvayu ali

Hi Ryan,

2009/8/22 Ryan Lynch ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com:
 I tried `yum remove glibc.i686`, but it wants to remove 116 packages, for
 dependencies.  Mostly, it looks like stuff I installed while getting Skype
 for Linux to run, so I'm pretty sure its going to break some things if I
 remove it all.


That doesn't sound right, the dependencies for skype should be a lot
less. somewhere around 60s.

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Re: list files but not directory

2009-08-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic

 On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 03:59:30 -0400,
   William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote:
  All that I am saying is that it would be handy to have a simple util
  that listed file names.  I suggest 'ls' because it is probably the most
  used and first learned listing utility and therefore would be the place
  to have it.  It would be useful to beginners (particularly those who do
  not yet have any idea what a regexp is) and for script writing or piping
  to sed, awk, grep or a new file (or for appending).

There is just one thing that baffles me here --- isn't a directory also a file? 
Given that, what you ask for is not an option to list only files, it is an 
option to list everything except directories. In other words, you are asking 
for an option that says list the directory contents, but omit certain 
things.

The more appropriate way to do this is to use some form of filtering. Such a 
thing does not naturally fit into a list of options of ls, IMHO. What you 
actually do is perform two operations here --- list the contents, and then 
filter it to display only some subset. Two operations should be done using two 
commands, the Unix Way. And the filtering approach gives you more flexibility 
what file types to filter out. For example, is /dev/sda a file or a directory? 
How would this hypothetical ls option behave in this case? List it or not?

There are not *just directories and files* on the system. There are
*just files*. And these files might be regular files, directories, devices, 
stdin/stdout, and who knows what else. You are proposing to add a single 
option to ls in order to filter out one of these types. Why only this one type? 
Put a whole bunch of options in ls which could list only regular files, or only 
character devices, or only hidden directories or... Or better yet, don't put 
any of that crap into ls, but pipe the ls output and filter it using a more 
appropriate tool.

The completely analogous situation is with paging the output of ls. When I 
first used ls on a directory with lots of files, the natural idea for me was to 
look into its man page to find some option that would split the output into 
several screens and display them one by one. I failed to find such an option. 
After some digging, I found that this is done via a pipe to less:

ls | less

And then after some learning I understood that this is actually the better way 
to do it (more powerful, more flexible, more clean, more useful). The same 
situation is here with listing only non-directories. 

The main problem is not lack of functionality, but that Windows-converts have 
a frame of mind that makes a distinction between directory and file 
concepts, and believe these concepts are fundamentally different and non-
overlapping. This is a Bad Idea, and it seems more appropriate to educate 
users than to add options to ls which make it do things it is not designed 
for.

Just remember: Do one simple thing and do i well. ;-)

HTH, :-)
Marko


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FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox

2009-08-22 Thread Markus Kesaromous


I have posed this question to the firefox folks, but got no answers.
Hoping someone can advise/explain the cause of the problem.

I have installed 
firefox-3.5.2-2.fc11.i586
and
flash-plugin-10.0.32.18-release.i386 (from adobe.com).

If I browse to a website like youtube, and open a video
and after viewing the video, I go on to doing oher things,
(without closing the youtube page).
After a while i want to play another video.
Well, the audio gets stuttered, and then I get a repetitive
stutter with lots of echo of the same word/phrase/sound.
Only way for me to fix it is to kill firefox and and restart.

If someone knows of another flash plugin that does not have
this problem, please let me know.

Cheers,

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Re: list files but not directory

2009-08-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic


William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote:
 The idea is getting no positive responses, so I will drop it.

Oh, and a word of advice: if you get no positive responses for some idea, 
don't just drop it, but instead try to understand why there are no positive 
responses. Usually you can learn something new and maybe correct your own 
point of view on the subject. Being open minded is essential for better 
thinking. ;-)

Best, :-)
Marko



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Re: A good desktop Wi-Fi card for Fedora 10

2009-08-22 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:52 PM, William M. Quarles wal...@bellsouth.netwrote:

Does anybody know of a good desktop PCI wireless ethernet card that I can
buy and use with Fedora 10? I bought a new OEM HP Atheros-based wireless
card, but it conflicts with my Sigma Designs REALMagic Hollywood Plus
DVD/MPEG-2 decoder card, both in Windows XP Pro and in Fedora 10. Also,
since I am trying to do a dual-boot setup, I couldn't get good drivers for
Windows XP for the card. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
William

I don't currently use Wi-Fi on my desktop(s)... since I cabled my home with
five gigabit-ethernet sockets per room. :-)

But when I did use Wi-Fi, I used cardbus cards hooked to pci-to-cardbus
adapters.

Here's some:

Addonics ADPCICB2 - $49
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00023LTKK?ie=UTF8tag=mnmsprst-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B00023LTKK

And
D-Link A/G Wi-Fi Cardbus adapter - $11.78
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001PFO3C?ie=UTF8tag=mnmsprst-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B0001PFO3C

Total: $60.78

This also gives you the flexibility of exchanging Wi-Fi cards when new
standards arrive, or exchanging cards in case of trouble, without opening up
the case.

(Cardbus cards are, for all intents and purposes, the same as PCI)

Of course, there's also USB Wi-Fi dongles but in my experience those don't
match the range of cardbus cards (antenna design, or power limits,
perhaps?).

FC
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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 16:10, suvayu ali
fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.comfatkasuvayu%2bli...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Ryan,

 2009/8/22 Ryan Lynch ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com:
  I tried `yum remove glibc.i686`, but it wants to remove 116 packages, for
  dependencies.  Mostly, it looks like stuff I installed while getting
 Skype
  for Linux to run, so I'm pretty sure its going to break some things if I
  remove it all.
 

 That doesn't sound right, the dependencies for skype should be a lot
 less. somewhere around 60s.


I never said ALL of those packages are related to Skype.

-R
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Re: Spell checking in vim

2009-08-22 Thread Christoph Höger

problem solved:

mkdir -p ~/.vim/spell

simple enough - if you know it.


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Pulseaudio config problem.

2009-08-22 Thread Erik P. Olsen

I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on Fedora 11
which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose and how is its
syntax?

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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 16:19, Ryan Lynch ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 16:10, suvayu ali 
 fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.comfatkasuvayu%2bli...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi Ryan,

 2009/8/22 Ryan Lynch ryan.b.ly...@gmail.com:
  I tried `yum remove glibc.i686`, but it wants to remove 116 packages,
 for
  dependencies.  Mostly, it looks like stuff I installed while getting
 Skype
  for Linux to run, so I'm pretty sure its going to break some things if I
  remove it all.
 

 That doesn't sound right, the dependencies for skype should be a lot
 less. somewhere around 60s.


 I never said ALL of those packages are related to Skype.

 -R


Sorry, I meant to add:

The point is, I can't just remove 'glibc.i686' without breaking some things.
So isn't it irrelevant how many 32-bit packages relate to Skype?
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Re: list files but not directory

Hi Marko;

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 21:05 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
  On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 03:59:30 -0400,
William Case billli...@rogers.com wrote:
   All that I am saying is that it would be handy to have a simple util
   that listed file names.  I suggest 'ls' because it is probably the most
   used and first learned listing utility and therefore would be the place
   to have it.  It would be useful to beginners (particularly those who do
   not yet have any idea what a regexp is) and for script writing or piping
   to sed, awk, grep or a new file (or for appending).
 
 There is just one thing that baffles me here --- isn't a directory also a 
 file? 
 Given that, what you ask for is not an option to list only files, it is an 
 option to list everything except directories. In other words, you are asking 
 for an option that says list the directory contents, but omit certain 
 things.
 
 The more appropriate way to do this is to use some form of filtering. Such a 
 thing does not naturally fit into a list of options of ls, IMHO. What you 
 actually do is perform two operations here --- list the contents, and then 
 filter it to display only some subset. Two operations should be done using 
 two 
 commands, the Unix Way. And the filtering approach gives you more flexibility 
 what file types to filter out. For example, is /dev/sda a file or a 
 directory? 
 How would this hypothetical ls option behave in this case? List it or not?
 
 There are not *just directories and files* on the system. There are
 *just files*. And these files might be regular files, directories, devices, 
 stdin/stdout, and who knows what else. You are proposing to add a single 
 option to ls in order to filter out one of these types. Why only this one 
 type? 
 Put a whole bunch of options in ls which could list only regular files, or 
 only 
 character devices, or only hidden directories or... Or better yet, don't put 
 any of that crap into ls, but pipe the ls output and filter it using a more 
 appropriate tool.
 
 The completely analogous situation is with paging the output of ls. When I 
 first used ls on a directory with lots of files, the natural idea for me was 
 to 
 look into its man page to find some option that would split the output into 
 several screens and display them one by one. I failed to find such an option. 
 After some digging, I found that this is done via a pipe to less:
 
 ls | less
 
 And then after some learning I understood that this is actually the better 
 way 
 to do it (more powerful, more flexible, more clean, more useful). The same 
 situation is here with listing only non-directories. 
 
 The main problem is not lack of functionality, but that Windows-converts have 
 a frame of mind that makes a distinction between directory and file 
 concepts, and believe these concepts are fundamentally different and non-
 overlapping. 

That is exactly where I was coming from and believe that that defines
the problem the original poster had.

 This is a Bad Idea, and it seems more appropriate to educate 
 users than to add options to ls which make it do things it is not designed 
 for.
 
 Just remember: Do one simple thing and do i well. ;-)

Marko, you have given the best explanation and counter argument yet to
this post.

However, I could tell you several (delightful) horror stories of hours
and hours I wasted when I first came to Linux from Windows.  I bet there
are others who have had an equalling trying experience.  Don't get me
wrong, Linux is by far the best operating system.  But I still find
myself from time to time trying to solve problems by using 'MicroSoft
Intuition'.  That usually means looking for a complex answer when, in
Linux, a simple answer will do.

In any case, I always keep my eye open for the newbies for whom
'intuition' is not working.  They often get dismissed as if they should
know better.

I guess that all I was proposing was giving people some transitional
tools.  To me, a regular file will always be a file different from the
others.

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Re: list files but not directory

2009-08-22 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Marko Vojinovic wrote:
 
 There is just one thing that baffles me here --- isn't a directory also a 
 file? 
 Given that, what you ask for is not an option to list only files, it is an 
 option to list everything except directories. In other words, you are asking 
 for an option that says list the directory contents, but omit certain 
 things.
 
 The more appropriate way to do this is to use some form of filtering. Such a 
 thing does not naturally fit into a list of options of ls, IMHO. What you 
 actually do is perform two operations here --- list the contents, and then 
 filter it to display only some subset. Two operations should be done using 
 two 
 commands, the Unix Way. And the filtering approach gives you more flexibility 
 what file types to filter out. For example, is /dev/sda a file or a 
 directory? 
 How would this hypothetical ls option behave in this case? List it or not?
 
 There are not *just directories and files* on the system. There are
 *just files*. And these files might be regular files, directories, devices, 
 stdin/stdout, and who knows what else. You are proposing to add a single 
 option to ls in order to filter out one of these types. Why only this one 
 type? 
 Put a whole bunch of options in ls which could list only regular files, or 
 only 
 character devices, or only hidden directories or... Or better yet, don't put 
 any of that crap into ls, but pipe the ls output and filter it using a more 
 appropriate tool.
 
 The completely analogous situation is with paging the output of ls. When I 
 first used ls on a directory with lots of files, the natural idea for me was 
 to 
 look into its man page to find some option that would split the output into 
 several screens and display them one by one. I failed to find such an option. 
 After some digging, I found that this is done via a pipe to less:
 
 ls | less
 
 And then after some learning I understood that this is actually the better 
 way 
 to do it (more powerful, more flexible, more clean, more useful). The same 
 situation is here with listing only non-directories. 
 
 The main problem is not lack of functionality, but that Windows-converts have 
 a frame of mind that makes a distinction between directory and file 
 concepts, and believe these concepts are fundamentally different and non-
 overlapping. This is a Bad Idea, and it seems more appropriate to educate 
 users than to add options to ls which make it do things it is not designed 
 for.
 
 Just remember: Do one simple thing and do i well. ;-)
 
And to carry this one step farther, you can create aliases or
function to do things you require often. For example, you could use
something like this:

function lsp() { ls $@  less }

so that you could run lsd instead of running ls | less.

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Re: Spell checking in vim

2009-08-22 Thread Aaron Konstam

On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 19:26 +0200, Marco Guazzone wrote:
 2009/8/22 Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de:
  Hi folks,
 
  I just wanted to spellcheck some files with vim.
  set spelllang=de reports that de.utf-8.spl is missing.
 
  Is there a package that provides that file or do I have to search
  upstream for it?
 
 
 If you enter ViM and in command mode type:
 
 :setlocal spell spelllang=de
 
 ViM should tell you the following:
 
   Cannot find spell file for de in utf-8
   Do you want me to try downloading it?
   (Y)es, [N]o:
 
 If you type Y ViM should downlod the file for you.
I am missing something. If you get the file how do you get vim to
correct the misspelled words?
 
 Cheers,
 
 -- Marco
 
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Re: YUM update conflicts: 'glibc' and 'glibc-common' (F11, x86_64)

2009-08-22 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

On 08/22/2009 04:00 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 15:44, Kevin J. Cummings
 cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net mailto:cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote:
 
 On 08/22/2009 03:39 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
  On 08/22/2009 12:24:08 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
  On 08/22/2009 03:17 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote:
  Running 'yum update' from the command line, I am getting some file
  conflicts between different arch/versions of the 'glibc' and
  'glibc-common' packages.  This machine runs F11-x86_64.
 
  Here's the actual error output:
 
  code
  Transaction Check Error:
file /usr/share/doc/glibc-2.10.1/NEWS from install of
  glibc-2.10.1-4.i686 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/bin/ldd from install of glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586
  conflicts
  with file from package glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive.tmpl from install of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/share/doc/glibc-common-2.10.1/ChangeLog.bz2 from
  install
  of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
file /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_AT from install of
  glibc-common-2.10.1-4.i586 conflicts with file from package
  glibc-common-2.10.1-2.x86_64
  /code
 
  Is this a known issue, or did I screw something up?
 
  Something is screwed up.  Possibly on your system.  glibc-common.i586
  is
  conflicting with glibc-common.i686.  I think you need one and not the
  other.  Since you system is a base x86_64, I would suggest trying the
  following:
 
  # yum shell
  remove glibc-common.i586
  install glibc-common.i686
  run
 
  and see if that helps
 
  H ... perhaps install glibc-common.x86_64? i686 is still 32 bit.
 
 Not if its a multi-lib problem.  I assumed that the x86_64 part would
 straighten itself out  But yes, he needs to ensure that all of his
 secondary libs are either all i586 or all i686 (where he has a choice
 between the two) and that they co-exist well with their x86_64
 counterparts (which should be the primary concern anyways).
 
 
 
 Here's the output of `yum list installed glibc-common glibc`, for reference:
 
 code
 Installed Packages
 glibc.i686  2.10.1-2  installed
 glibc.x86_64  2.10.1-2  installed
 glibc-common.x86_642.10.1-2  installed
 /code
 
 I tried `yum remove glibc.i686`, but it wants to remove 116 packages,
 for dependencies.  Mostly, it looks like stuff I installed while getting
 Skype for Linux to run, so I'm pretty sure its going to break some
 things if I remove it all.

Ryan,
You are barking up the wrong tree.  Your problem is
glibc-common.i586.  Something is trying to install this package and it
conflicts with your currently installed glibc-common.i686.
You need to track down where that dependency is coming from and deal
with it.

I find when dealing with wrong architecture RPMs, that using yum in
SHELL mode is much better then dealing with separate command lines as I
can do a remove *and* and install in one transaction and have better
control over it.

 Isn't this a packaging bug?  There's no conflict between my
 currently-installed 'glibc.i686' and 'glib.x86_64' (2.10.1-2), although
 there is a conflict between the two archs' 'glibc-common' packages.

Possibly, but we need to know what is causing it first.  i586/i686 are
not meant to be multilib (like x86_64/i686 is).

 -Ryan
 

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Re: FC11 - flash plugin for Firefox