Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue

2009-09-14 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 14 September 2009 03:05:02 Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> >> In what way did you do that marking?  Adding packages, or setting
> >> some language preferences?
> 
> Anne Wilson:
> > Neither.  By choosing English British at install, for language and
> > keyboard, and by checking in system-config-languages.  Nothing else at
> > all.  I have no other locales installed.
> 
> I wonder if that merely sets the locale used by the install routine
> (rather like network settings set during install only pertain to
> settings used while installing).
> 
While that could be true (no idea whether it is), I would certainly expect 
that the setting shown in s-c-languages would be the one used.

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Re: unable to login after getting system update of X11 in fedora 11

2009-09-14 Thread Suvayu Ali

On Sunday 13 September 2009 10:49 PM, Joachim Backes wrote:

On 09/14/2009 06:51 AM, Jatin K wrote:

On 09/12/2009 12:57 PM, Bernd Knöttig wrote:

Germán Racca schrieb am, 12.09.2009 07:04:

On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 10:43 +0530, Jatin K wrote:

On 09/11/2009 01:12 PM, Bernd Knöttig wrote:

Jatin K schrieb am, 11.09.2009 07:08:

Dear list


I'm not able to login after system update on Sep 10. the update I
got is
[1], whenever I try to login, it automatically logs off (I think
there
are some problem with X server ) after retrying 10 to 15
times
I'm able to login and thing works fine  can anybody help me to
solve
this problem ...,,?
---


I had the same problem on two different laptops running Fedora
11/Gnome with an intel 945 chipset after recent xorg-update. A
downgrade to previous version of xorg-x11-server-Xorg solved the
problem.

Bernd


ok How do I downgrade to previous version of xorg-x11-server
.. step by step guide ?


yum downgrade xorg-x11-server-Xorg



Prior to this you have to perform a "yum install
yum-plugin-allowdowngrade". Be carfull not to make a re-update with
next yum-update.

Bernd


well . I've downgraded the xorg-x11-server-xorg . things working
fine .. but now every-time I start my system it shows that update
is available it is nothing but * xorg-x11-server-xorg * ... is there
any way to permanently avoid this update ...??? or every-time I've to
deselect this up date manually 



In /etc/yum.conf add a line:

exclude=xorg-x11-server-Xorg

Or extend an existing "exclude" line by ",xorg-x11-server-Xorg"



As a note, this also means you won't be able to update this package even 
when the bug is fixed, without editing this line again. Isn't running 
without desktop effects a more practical solution here?


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If you run a web server, read this

2009-09-14 Thread Anne Wilson
This appeared on the CentOS mailing list:


Linked below are details about a new outbreak of hijacked linux web
servers that dispense malware.

http://blog.unmaskparasites.com/2009/09/11/dynamic-dns-and-botnet-of-zombie-
web-servers/

I would highly recommend that you use nmap to scan all your Linux
webservers that are connected to the Internet to see if they are
listening on port 8080.

The best I can tell, there are no articles concerning how these guys
installed nginx or what is contained on a machine that has been
compromised.  But the best way to tell is to see if you are listening on
port 8080 (if you are not supposed to be listening there).  8080 is a
common port for java apps to be running on, so listening on 8080 is not
always necessarily bad.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes


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Re: fedora 11 printer setup - lppasswd seems to not work?

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 17:35 -0600, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> Hi all;
> 
> Ive installed fedora 11.
> 
> I did this:
> 
> # lppasswd -a -g sys root
> 
> 
> # service cups restart
> 
> 
> Then I go to localhost:631 in firefox, go to admin  --> add printer
> 
> I get a prompt for a user/passwd but entering root and the passwd I entered 
> via lppasswd (above) does not work.

Did you change the default authentication type to one of the digest
types?

By default CUPS uses "Basic" for authentication, which maps to UNIX
users via pam.

Take a look at the DefaultAuthType and AuthType cupsd.conf directives.

Tim.
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Re: unable to login after getting system update of X11 in fedora 11

2009-09-14 Thread Jatin K

On 09/14/2009 02:15 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

On Sunday 13 September 2009 10:49 PM, Joachim Backes wrote:

On 09/14/2009 06:51 AM, Jatin K wrote:

On 09/12/2009 12:57 PM, Bernd Knöttig wrote:

Germán Racca schrieb am, 12.09.2009 07:04:

On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 10:43 +0530, Jatin K wrote:

On 09/11/2009 01:12 PM, Bernd Knöttig wrote:

Jatin K schrieb am, 11.09.2009 07:08:

Dear list


I'm not able to login after system update on Sep 10. the update I
got is
[1], whenever I try to login, it automatically logs off (I think
there
are some problem with X server ) after retrying 10 to 15
times
I'm able to login and thing works fine  can anybody help me to
solve
this problem ...,,?
---


I had the same problem on two different laptops running Fedora
11/Gnome with an intel 945 chipset after recent xorg-update. A
downgrade to previous version of xorg-x11-server-Xorg solved the
problem.

Bernd


ok How do I downgrade to previous version of xorg-x11-server
.. step by step guide ?


yum downgrade xorg-x11-server-Xorg



Prior to this you have to perform a "yum install
yum-plugin-allowdowngrade". Be carfull not to make a re-update with
next yum-update.

Bernd

well . I've downgraded the xorg-x11-server-xorg . things 
working

fine .. but now every-time I start my system it shows that update
is available it is nothing but * xorg-x11-server-xorg * ... is 
there

any way to permanently avoid this update ...??? or every-time I've to
deselect this up date manually 



In /etc/yum.conf add a line:

exclude=xorg-x11-server-Xorg

Or extend an existing "exclude" line by ",xorg-x11-server-Xorg"



As a note, this also means you won't be able to update this package 
even when the bug is fixed, without editing this line again. Isn't 
running without desktop effects a more practical solution here?


that is good solution ...but here with me , if I disable desktop effects 
my firefox and all video players ( vlc, banshee, rhythmbox)   goes mad 
... firefox cannot handle the flash video and all video players cannot 
play video file ... say if I go to www.youtube.com ( after disabling the 
desktop effects ) and try to watch the video ... video gates scramble 
...dots and linings only . if I play any video files with any above 
said video players they cannot play the video file again garbage video 
..   if I re-enable the desktop effects forefox and all the players  
runs fine without any
problem. I 've already posted this problem before sometime on this list 
but didn't get the solution :-(



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Re: Any Recommendations for Fedora11 'N' Wireless PCI Cards

2009-09-14 Thread Didar Hossain
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Randy Gordey  wrote:
> I am really looking for success stories with your particular manufacturer's
> card(s). But if you only speak chipsets thats fine too. Recognized under the
> current Kernel without much tweeking is optimal. Think large company
> standardization.

I would give my thumbs up for Intel wireless - although, last I
checked it required a binary blobs. My current wireless card works
with Windows drivers using `ndiswrapper' (Atheros wireless chipset if
you are curious)

Didar

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Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice

2009-09-14 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:54 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:
> I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to
> achieve effect X, like I provided here:
> 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html

The problem with these sort of recipes, quoting part of yours below, is
they fall apart when the user-interface changes (as so often happens
with courses for learning Word - the user's version is so different from
the classroom's version that the student can't repeat what they've
learnt), or when you omit something crucial.  You can over-simplify
things to the point where they're no use, or just plain wrong.

  Open a new document

  F11
  Standard
  4th icon
  Right click Standard
  Modify
  Enable footer
  OK

There is no "Standard" in the dialogue when I press the F11 key.  And
your recipe doesn't say, "Press F11 to bring up the 'style and
formatting list.'"   Which means I can't do the same thing some other
way (e.g. find the same option in a menu), intuitively, because I don't
know why I'm pressing F11.  I can only follow a set of rules that might
not be applicable.  And since I see no "standard" in that dialogue, I
wonder whether you're instructions are completely wrong, and I shouldn't
be pressing F11.

I'll presume that I should click on the fourth icon, but you don't say,
and you haven't mentioned that the fourth icon is for *page* styling.
And, again, there's no "standard" anywhere to be seen in that list.

I really don't know what you're trying to do with your instructions, as
they don't work on the version of OpenOffice.org that comes with Fedora
11, as you've written them.

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Re: skype mic is not clear!

2009-09-14 Thread Adel ESSAFI
2009/9/14 Roger 

> On 09/14/2009 06:40 AM, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
>
>> Hi list
>> I have a serious problem with skype. when I speak (or make skype test
>> call)
>> there is a loud background noise.
>> when I go to voice configuration tool (option), i found that all entries
>> are
>> pulse. in version 2, one could choose you entry.
>> did you got an experience with that?
>> thanks for any input.
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>
> You are lucky, I have voice coming in but no voice out.
>

But in practice, my contact does not hear me!!
regards



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Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue

2009-09-14 Thread Tim
Tim:
>> Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work?

Daniel B. Thurman:
> Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you
> mean by if I have >>changed the defaults<
> What is the defaults? How can I tell.

Well, in that question I meant this:  Your system had defaulted to
Afrikaans (it had set /something/ before you had done so).  Had you
changed that setting, and did it make any noticeable difference.?

I'm not sure, but changing that setting might require a log out and back
in again.  I think my default was en-US, though I can't remember.  I set
my locale on the GDM screen as I was logging in.  I cannot remember any
locale setting during the installation.  Later, I set the system default
to en-AU (Gnome system administration preference control for Language),
so that anyone else who logged in would start with the (usual) right
default, so they wouldn't have to change anything.


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Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue

2009-09-14 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 14 September 2009 12:02:05 Tim wrote:
> I'm not sure, but changing that setting might require a log out and back
> in again. 
> 
Actually, mine is now working correctly, from which I infer that logging out 
was not sufficient, but a reboot was needed.

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Re: Dual monitor setup quit working with recent update ?

2009-09-14 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 19:36 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 19:50 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > On 09/13/2009 07:39 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > Further to my last email, I can now only run a graphical session with my
> > > 2.6.30 kernel.   All the others fail to start the x session.
> > >
> > 
> > You can thank your RPMFusion packages for that. The kmod system is very 
> > bad, but they refuse to use any other method despite my suggestions. I'd 
> > point you to my personal repo with DKMS RPMs but I'd hate to have all 
> > nVidia users start using it and my repo run out of bandwidth. Good luck!
> 
> I am happy to report that I got my dual monitors working.  I don't know
> what exactly did it, but here is what I did.
> 
> I suspected that the laptop display was not working due to a power
> management issue, ie the screen was dimmed too dim to view.   I
> suspected this because I have seen this happen after the laptop comes
> back from a suspend event. 
> 
> So... I went into KDEStart->Settings->System Settings -> Advanced ->
> Power Management-> Edit Profiles -> Screen.  
> 
> I then disabled "Enable display power management" on each of the
> profiles, saving them as I went.
> 
> The I logged out of my KDE session and logged back in.   The laptop
> monitor was then functional. 
> 
> I'm not certain that power management was the issue, but this sequence
> of changes fixed my issue. 

I'm unhappy to further report that my dual monitors only work after I
log out and log back in after rebooting.

When I boot up my laptop monitor doesn't display anything.  My desktop
is displayed on my external monitor.  If my external monitor isn't
connected then I don't have any display at all !  

I am hoping this gets fixed before the weekend as I have to take my
laptop on the road on Saturday morning.

However, if I log into a KDE session and then log out and log in again,
my laptop monitor comes to life.  Someone forgot to initialize something
somewhere ?

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Re: Dual monitor setup quit working with recent update ?

2009-09-14 Thread Rex Dieter
Michael Cronenworth wrote:

> On 09/13/2009 07:39 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
>> Further to my last email, I can now only run a graphical session with my
>> 2.6.30 kernel.   All the others fail to start the x session.
>>
> 
> You can thank your RPMFusion packages for that. The kmod system is very
> bad, but they refuse to use any other method despite my suggestions. 

afaik, aren't akmods provided too (which marries the best of both kmod and 
dkms worlds)? 

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Re: installed F11 - custom options - problems with vlc, mplayer - video; xine - audio

2009-09-14 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 20:49 -0700, Darlene Wallach wrote:
> Also, OpenOffice won't play the videos (.flv, .mpg, .mpeg) in Fedora
> 11.

I'm curious as to what way you're using OpenOffice.org to play such
files?  As part of Impress presentations?  Otherwise, it seems an odd
application to use for playing such files.


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Re: Rhythmbox --command-line ?? [SOLVED]

2009-09-14 Thread William Case
Thanks to Sam and Peter;

On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 07:03 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
> 2009/9/14 William Case :
> > Hi;
> >

Peter, I simply followed your advice using the my radio stations URI and
it worked.


> [...@samlap ~]$ cat /usr/share/applications/rhythmbox.desktop | grep Exec
> Exec=rhythmbox %U
> 

Thanks Sam.  I have been going through all kinds of contortions to find
the exact exec command for applications for years.  It usually involved
open the properties of existing icons or launchers and copying and/or
amending pre-configured commands.  Your example of using
cat /usr/share/... and grep Exec is something I am certainly going to
remember.

> %U is a URI - so could you not give it the URI of your favourite radio
> station? (or am I missing the point)
> 
I wish the developers would stop making everything so easy.  I full
expected a start command + string of options + a URL.  In other gnome
applications %U = user name.
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Re: Battery - Control Screen brightness

2009-09-14 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 15:18 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: 
> Mail Lists wrote:
> >   Gnome - F11. When I unplug and go on battery - the screen dims. The
> > power applet for non-battery has a slider for screen brightness. The
> > battery tab only has a button to click to dim screen - i have that set
> > to no.
> > 
> >   Yet - when I go on power the screen dims. Is there a slider somewhere
> > to set screen brightness when on battery ? If not - is there a gnome
> > registery setting ?
> > 
> > 
> >The hardware laptop brightness has no further effect - pressing it
> > shows the brightness to full - clearly it is not. As soon as I plug
> > power back in the screen gets brighter.
> > 
> >   Thanks for help.
> > 
> > gene/
> > 
> I am not at my laptop, so I can not check the power management
> options/ But there is also an applet for Gnome that will set
> brightness for most laptops. If you right-click on the top bar, and
> click "Add to Panel...", you can add the "Brightness Applet" to
> control screen brightness.
On my laptop the Brightness Applet and the hardwarw brightnewss control
opperate in a non-cooperative way. The brightnessw can be adjusted by
both but not in an additive fashion. 
> 
> I will have to double check what the power savings configuration
> program is called, and where it is, but I remember all kinds of
> settings for things like dimming the screen when idle, setting
> screen brightness, etc when on battery power.
> 
> Two things to keep in mind - the brightness settings do not work for
> all laptops, and some BIOSs have settings that control how the
> laptop behaves when it goes to battery power. If your laptop turns
> out to be one that in not fully supported yes, then you will need to
> file a bug report.
> 
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Re: Yumex: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora

2009-09-14 Thread Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji
Hi,

This is the result:
###
[r...@jjj ~]# yum -d 10 whatever
Loading "aliases" plugin
Loading "allowdowngrade" plugin
Loading "auto-update-debuginfo" plugin
Loading "basearchonly" plugin
Loading "blacklist" plugin
Loading "changelog" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
Loading "fedorakmod" plugin
Loading "filter-data" plugin
Loading "kernel-module" plugin
Loading "keys" plugin
Loading "list-data" plugin
Loading "merge-conf" plugin
Loading "post-transaction-actions" plugin
Loading "presto" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Loading "protect-packages" plugin
Loading "protectbase" plugin
Loading "refresh-packagekit" plugin
Loading "refresh-updatesd" plugin
Loading "remove-with-leaves" plugin
Loading "rpm-warm-cache" plugin
Loading "security" plugin
Loading "show-leaves" plugin
Not loading "tmprepo" plugin, as it is disabled
Loading "tsflags" plugin
Loading "upgrade-helper" plugin
Loading "verify" plugin
Loading "versionlock" plugin
Loading "whiteout" plugin
Running "config" handler for "aliases" plugin
Running "config" handler for "allowdowngrade" plugin
Running "config" handler for "changelog" plugin
Running "config" handler for "downloadonly" plugin
Running "config" handler for "filter-data" plugin
Running "config" handler for "keys" plugin
Running "config" handler for "list-data" plugin
Running "config" handler for "merge-conf" plugin
Running "config" handler for "presto" plugin
Running "config" handler for "priorities" plugin
Running "config" handler for "protect-packages" plugin
Running "config" handler for "protectbase" plugin
Running "config" handler for "remove-with-leaves" plugin
Running "config" handler for "security" plugin
Running "config" handler for "verify" plugin
Config time: 1.112
Running "init" handler for "fastestmirror" plugin
Running "init" handler for "fedorakmod" plugin
Loading Fedora Extras kernel module support.
Running "init" handler for "tsflags" plugin
Running "args" handler for "aliases" plugin
Yum Version: 3.2.23
COMMAND: yum -d 10 whatever
Installroot: /
Usage: yum [options] COMMAND

List of Commands:
..
###

I have disbaled the temprepo as it was giving error for Yum, since installed
yumex.

Thanks,
Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji, BE IT, India
Sent from Pune, MH, India

2009/9/13 David Timms 

> yum -d 10 whatever
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Re: installed F11 - custom options - problems with vlc, mplayer - video; xine - audio

2009-09-14 Thread Darlene Wallach
Tim,

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Tim  wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 20:49 -0700, Darlene Wallach wrote:
>> Also, OpenOffice won't play the videos (.flv, .mpg, .mpeg) in Fedora
>> 11.
>
> I'm curious as to what way you're using OpenOffice.org to play such
> files?  As part of Impress presentations?  Otherwise, it seems an odd
> application to use for playing such files.

My sister and I give a prestation using Impress - some slides, many
photos, and videos - a couple of flash videos, a couple of mpg, an
mpeg, and an mp4

Darlene Wallach

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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930

On 14/09/09 15:53, Deron Meranda wrote:

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:39 AM,
n2xssvv.g02gfr12930  wrote:

This system worked fine with both F9 and F10.  I'm using the
on-board graphics chip on the motherboard (ASUS M2NBP-VM CSM)
which is supposedly an nVidia GeForce 6150LE.

Anyway during the early F11 anaconda install it always outputs:
   WARNING :  X startup failed, falling back to text mode



I managed to upgrade using Yumex and the nvidia drivers found in the RPM
Fusion repositories. Naturally I updated the GUI stuff first, in my case the
KDE and Gnome window managers, and the X-Video drivers.


I've never used that before.  Do you know of any recommended
documentation any place?

To be honest, this is really a headless server; I only ever use the
video output to do these installs/upgrades.  I'd be happy with
text mode; except it is exceptionally crippled now as to be worthless.



Perhaps you should try setting the video driver to use to the standard vga
during the upgrade. The nouveau nvidia drivers are new to F11.


I'm installing from the standard DVD image.  How do you go about
telling it to use a different driver?

If you're referring to the initial menu, I tried the second option,
something about using a "basic" video driver.  It too fails, and
reverts to text mode.  Though rather than a GPU lockup, it complains
about not having any compatible modes.

Whatever drivers were standard in F9 or F10 worked just fine.
Are they on the F11 install image and how can I tell it to
use those instead of the new broken one?



After upgrading you may well still have your system using the ext3
filesystem. I also managed to upgrade my Fedora 11 from ext3 to ext4
successfully, but I still made backups beforehand, not to mention good
preparations. NOTE, do not upgrade your boot partition to ext4 as grub does
not support ext4 as far as I know.


I'm on top of the ext3/4 thing.  Thanks though!


yumex is a gui application that uses yum unfortunately. But yum itself 
is not a gui application and can install and update from remote 
repositories. These repositories locations are defined in *.repo files 
that can be found in the /etc/yum.repos.d directory, and they are plain 
text files. Try "man yum" for more information. This will ensure you 
will be updating to the latest drivers which may well have fixed the 
problem you are having.


The website below has a few tips

http://www.ghacks.net/2009/01/14/fedora-10-and-the-evolution-of-xorg/

As far as I can tell you probably need to configure for the old nv video 
drivers rather than the nouveau ones it's trying to use.


Hope these pointers help you resolve your problems.

JB

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Re: Latest update broke the sound.

2009-09-14 Thread Wendell Nichols

Wendell Nichols wrote:
I installed an update after being offline for 3 weeks.  My machine is 
a Thinkpad t61p and after the update sound does not work.  kmix will 
not start and kde complains that the sound devices are not available.  
The sound driver (snd_hda_intel) is loaded as are the other usual 
suspects.

Has anyone else had a similar problem?
Wendell Nichols


sound system info:
[r...@bilbo wcn00]# uname -a
Linux bilbo 2.6.27.30-170.2.82.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 08:18:34 
EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


lspci -v
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
   Subsystem: Lenovo ThinkPad 
T61 Flags: bus 
master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17   
   Memory at fe22 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) 
[size=16K]   Capabilities: [50] Power 
Management version 2  
Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ 
Count=1/1 Enable-Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex 
Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00Capabilities: [100] 
Virtual Channel 
Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link 
  Kernel driver in use: 
HDA Intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel   
[r...@bilbo wcn00]# lsmod |grep snd

snd_hda_intel 480288  1
snd_seq_dummy  11396  0
snd_seq_oss39232  0
snd_seq_midi_event 14848  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq61968  5 
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event

snd_seq_device 15380  3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss52352  0
snd_mixer_oss  23168  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm85768  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  30352  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 16656  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep  16392  1 snd_hda_intel
snd68984  10 
snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_hwdep 


soundcore  14992  2 snd



More information:
I rebooted and noticed a popup dialog from arts:
Informational - artsmessage
Sound server informational message:
Error while initializing the sound driver:
device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)
The sound server will continue, using the null output device.



I checked /dev/dsp /dev/mixer etc:
crw-rw 1 root root 14, 3 2009-09-14 09:51 /dev/dsp
crw-rw 1 root root 14, 0 2009-09-14 09:51 /dev/mixer

It doesn't help to change the permissions cause they get reset at boot 
time.  Most devices are owned exclusively by the system anyway.

wcn

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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread Deron Meranda
> You might try "nomodeset" on the boot command line and see if the X server
> starts ok.

I tried that, with the same results.  Actually in the X.log, there is a
line that says that the chipset doesn't support modeset anyway,
so the nomodeset option probably doesn't do anything.


> If that fails, and you have another linux box to use, you can add "vnc" to
> the command line and do a graphical install remotely.

Hmm. I may have to try this one if I can't get anything else to work.
Unfortunately, at this location, all my other linux boxes are quite old;
running FC 3 and such.  But I'll try to see if this will work.  I hope I
don't have to continue doing this for the upcoming F12.

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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread Deron Meranda
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:39 AM,
n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>> This system worked fine with both F9 and F10.  I'm using the
>> on-board graphics chip on the motherboard (ASUS M2NBP-VM CSM)
>> which is supposedly an nVidia GeForce 6150LE.
>>
>> Anyway during the early F11 anaconda install it always outputs:
>>   WARNING :  X startup failed, falling back to text mode

> I managed to upgrade using Yumex and the nvidia drivers found in the RPM
> Fusion repositories. Naturally I updated the GUI stuff first, in my case the
> KDE and Gnome window managers, and the X-Video drivers.

I've never used that before.  Do you know of any recommended
documentation any place?

To be honest, this is really a headless server; I only ever use the
video output to do these installs/upgrades.  I'd be happy with
text mode; except it is exceptionally crippled now as to be worthless.


> Perhaps you should try setting the video driver to use to the standard vga
> during the upgrade. The nouveau nvidia drivers are new to F11.

I'm installing from the standard DVD image.  How do you go about
telling it to use a different driver?

If you're referring to the initial menu, I tried the second option,
something about using a "basic" video driver.  It too fails, and
reverts to text mode.  Though rather than a GPU lockup, it complains
about not having any compatible modes.

Whatever drivers were standard in F9 or F10 worked just fine.
Are they on the F11 install image and how can I tell it to
use those instead of the new broken one?


> After upgrading you may well still have your system using the ext3
> filesystem. I also managed to upgrade my Fedora 11 from ext3 to ext4
> successfully, but I still made backups beforehand, not to mention good
> preparations. NOTE, do not upgrade your boot partition to ext4 as grub does
> not support ext4 as far as I know.

I'm on top of the ext3/4 thing.  Thanks though!
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Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice

2009-09-14 Thread gilpel
William Case wrote:

> gpelil, I was trying to tell you that there really are several ways to
> set up page numbering.

I will definitely have to take a closer look to Styles :) This point you
made very clear.

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Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice

2009-09-14 Thread gilpel
> On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:54 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:
>> I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to
>> achieve effect X, like I provided here:
>>
>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html
>
> The problem with these sort of recipes, quoting part of yours below, is
> they fall apart when the user-interface changes (as so often happens
> with courses for learning Word - the user's version is so different from
> the classroom's version that the student can't repeat what they've
> learnt),

Students don't learn the string of commands for every operation. At first,
of course, it's a pretty mechanicall process but, soon, without all the
humdrum of the 1000 pags tutorials, they get they feel of how a word
processor works.


>   Open a new document
>
>   F11
>   Standard
>   4th icon
>   Right click Standard
>   Modify
>   Enable footer
>   OK
>
> There is no "Standard" in the dialogue when I press the F11 key.

That's because I thought Standard would be pretty standard in both french
and english but, in english, Standard is Default.

> And
> your recipe doesn't say, "Press F11 to bring up the 'style and
> formatting list.'"

If you press F11, style and formatting list should be pretyy much what you
see.

> Which means I can't do the same thing some other
> way (e.g. find the same option in a menu), intuitively, because I don't
> know why I'm pressing F11.

If you read the titre of the F11 menu, you shouldn't be too far from
discovering where it is in the menu.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that F11 should be used alone instead of using
the menu. I used F11 here because it was shorter to write and I didn't
have to care about what the menu options were in english.

I'm sure people who know OOo well could do much better than I did with
those notes that I took along the operation.

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64 bit fedora 10 can no longer run 32 bit firefox.

2009-09-14 Thread Wendell Nichols
I have a number of java applets which use native 32bit only libraries, 
so I have to run 32 bit firefox for my desktop to be "useable".
Since the latest update firefox cannot seem to detect the correct 
version of its GRE libs to use:


Install firegfox.i386:

Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
 Installing : 
xulrunner-1.9.0.4-1.fc10.x86_64   
1/3
 Installing : 
xulrunner-1.9.0.14-1.fc10.i386
2/3
 Installing : 
firefox-3.0.4-1.fc10.i386 
3/3


Installed:
 firefox.i386 0:3.0.4-1.fc10

Dependency Installed:
 xulrunner.x86_64 
0:1.9.0.4-1.fc10   
xulrunner.i386 0:1.9.0.14-1.fc10


Complete!

Now run firefox:

bash-3.2$ firefox
Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.0.4 and 1.9.0.4.

So I can only install and use 64 bit firefox.  Anyone else have this 
problem?


wcn

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Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/9/14 Smith, Herb :
>> > I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
>>
>
> I adopted a "track ball" mouse that allows you to move the cursor with
> your thumb and thus eliminate the necessity to have a lot of wrist
> movement.  It works great for me.

+1 for that. I have a Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan which works
great and definitely gives me less cramp than a mouse. In my case, the
ball is moved with the fingers and my only complaint is that the
scroll wheel is just out of Index Finger reach so you have to switch
hand position to use it (which I don't do very often.)

Also, the full complement of Gel wrist-rests for keyboard and mouse
helps a lot with proper hand position.

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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread Deron Meranda
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM,
n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
> yumex is a gui application that uses yum unfortunately. But yum itself is
> not a gui application and can install and update from remote repositories.

Thanks.  I use rpm and yum (command line) frequently.  But I don't use
the graphical tools very often, so yumex was new to me.  Is it just a
front-end to yum, and is there anything that yumex does that yum can't?


> These repositories locations are defined in *.repo files that can be found
> in the /etc/yum.repos.d directory, and they are plain text files.

Normally, adding yum repositories is not too hard; but I'm not very
familiar with which repositories exist and which ones I should try using.

You mentioned the RPM Fusion repositories; where do I find out
more about that?


However, that's fine for an already-running system.  But I'm not aware
of how to configure any of this when booting from the F11 DVD.  How
in the install/upgrade process can you tell it to do something different?


> http://www.ghacks.net/2009/01/14/fedora-10-and-the-evolution-of-xorg/

Thanks for the link.  I was vaguely aware of some of that, but it
is interesting nonetheless.


> As far as I can tell you probably need to configure for the old nv video
> drivers rather than the nouveau ones it's trying to use.

Agreed, either that or somehow get it to use a newer/fixed version
somehow (which I hope is fixed by F12).


> Hope these pointers help you resolve your problems.

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Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue

2009-09-14 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/12/2009 11:11 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 16:28 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>   
>> Can someone direct me how to set a system-wide
>> UTF-8 locales?
>> 
> That's the default (using UTF-8 encoding for most, if not all, locales).
> What do you get if you type the "locale" command into a terminal?
>
> [...@suspishus ~]$ locale
> LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
> LC_CTYPE="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_NUMERIC="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_PAPER="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_NAME="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_ADDRESS="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_TELEPHONE="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_AU.UTF-8"
> LC_ALL=
>
>   

Ok, I think I finally figured out why when
logging into Gnome, the default LANG="C"
was set!

When the GDM login screen appears, there is
no mention of Language / Session options until
AFTER you select or manually enter the user name.

Looking at the DEFAULT Language setting, it
says: "Unspecified"

WTH - WHY?

Obviously when I selected Language to be in my
case English (USA), then entered my password,
my session is now using English (USA) locale.

ALSO:

This mechanism seems to have changed after F9
since the Language / Session option is shown regardless
if a username has been selected or not!?!?

Ugh.

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RE: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Smith, Herb
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim [mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au] 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?
> 
> On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 09:45 -0500, Rick Sewill wrote:
> > I have a question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora.  
> 
> Somehow I suspect a joystick would bring about its own set of 
> problems (it certainly did for game players).
>  
> > I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
> 

I adopted a "track ball" mouse that allows you to move the cursor with
your thumb and thus eliminate the necessity to have a lot of wrist
movement.  It works great for me.

Herb Smith

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Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 09:45 -0500, Rick Sewill wrote:
> I have a question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora.  

Somehow I suspect a joystick would bring about its own set of problems
(it certainly did for game players).
 
> I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.

As I recall, it's not just mousing that brings about this risk, but also
using the keyboard.  Using peripherals in non-ergonomic ways would seem
to be the fastest way of bringing on such a problem (e.g. operating
keyboard and mouse while standing up, necessitating bending the wrist
and fingers abnormally high), and dragging wrists along table tops when
you operate the devices while sitting down.

There are some medical guides about minimising the risk, it's probably
worth looking into them if you're concerned about this.

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Re: F11: UTF-8 Locale issue

2009-09-14 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/13/09 19:49, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>   
>> On 09/13/09 19:06, Tim wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 08:58 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 I manually typed in: system-config-language and the default was
 the first top item in the list, i.e. Afrikaans (South America)
 and this was somehow the default set during installation of F11
 even though the installer told me it was correctly set to English
 (USA).

 
>>> Two things spring to mind:
>>>
>>> As I said to Anne, perhaps the installation option only sets
>>> settings pertaining to doing the installation, not what happens
>>> with the new system.
>>>
>>> Have you, now, changed the defaults, and did it work?
>>>
>>>   
>> Please bear with me if I seem dense. What do you mean by if I have
>> 
 changed the defaults<>>> 
>> What is the defaults? How can I tell.
>> 
> The system wide default is held in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and seems to be
> en_US.UTF-8.
>   
>> I already said that when I first started system.config.language that
>> the "default" was set to Afrikaan or at least this item was
>> highlighted, assumed that this "default" is wrong and proceeded to
>> change this item to: "English (USA)", and closed the program.
>>
>> Did it work?
>>
>> I am still seeing the following in the system logs:
>>
>> Sep 13 08:46:14  ntfs-3g[7707]: Could not convert filename
>> to Unicode: 'Clavier-B�chlein F�r Anna Maguire': Invalid or
>> incomplete multibyte or wide character
>>
>> I do not see this sort of error message in F9, using the same exact
>> filesystem drive/partition. I compared F9 & F11 /etc/sysconfig/i18n
>> as follows:
>>
>> In F9: LANG="en_US.utf8" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16"
>>
>> In F11: # LANG=C considerably speeds up boot (measured 5sec) --
>> bernie LANG="en_US.UTF-8" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16"
>>
>> They are pretty much same except for that weird commented out LANG=C
>> line, for which I never put there.
>>
>> It is possible that the system log message is not a "locale" issue
>> and points to something else, I dunno...
>>
>> 
> Howeveryou've said that:
>
> $ locale
> LANG=C
> LC_CTYPE="C"
> LC_NUMERIC="C"
> LC_TIME="C"
> LC_COLLATE="C"
> LC_MONETARY="C"
> LC_MESSAGES="C"
> LC_PAPER="C"
> LC_NAME="C"
> LC_ADDRESS="C"
> LC_TELEPHONE="C"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="C"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="C"
> LC_ALL=
>
> Clearly a LANG=C will get you the problems with multi-byte characters.
>
> So, yes, you need to track down why/how your LANG is getting set as it
> is.  I can't think of how that would happen
>
> But, I would probably delete that commented out line from
> /etc/sysconfig/i18n just to make sure something weird isn't going on
> with that line. If you didn't put it there...it begs the
> question "who did"? Who is bernie?
>
> You may even consider booting into run level 3 and then seeing if your
> environment is LANG=C before running "startx".
>   
I deleted the strange line.
Rebooted, and no change

I added to /etc/sysconf/i18n:

LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16"
   
rebooted to single user mode:

$ locale
LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

^D to continue the reset of the runlevels,

Logged into gdm, opened a terminal window
and:

$ locale

LANG=C
LC_CTYPE="C"
LC_NUMERIC="C"
LC_TIME="C"
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_MONETARY="C"
LC_MESSAGES="C"
LC_PAPER="C"
LC_NAME="C"
LC_ADDRESS="C"
LC_TELEPHONE="C"
LC_MEASUREMENT="C"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="C"
LC_ALL=

So it appears that logging in as a user,
it preempts the system-wide locale
settings.

I checked bash profiles and I did find these:

/etc/profile.d/lang.{sh|csh}

If you run these in the terminal window,
it looks to locate the $HOME/.i18n file,
and if not there, sets the default to
LANG="C"

$ sh -x /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
+ sourced=0
+ '[' -n C ']'
+ saved_lang=C
+ '[' -f /home/dant/.i18n ']'
+ LANG=C   <<<
+ unset saved_lang
+ '[' 0 = 1 ']'
+ unset sourced
+ unset langfile


WTH?  What is going on here?

Why are these scripts there to enforce that
the default be LANG="C" when a user logs
in?

Does anyone have the above two files installed
in the profile.d directory?  It is possible that I
had installed some kind of package that threw
these files in?

Hrrr!

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Re: FC10 - DVD/W not recognized by K3B

2009-09-14 Thread Robert Moskowitz

Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I just attached a Samsung USB DVD writer to a FC10 box (hardware is a 
VIA EPIA M-1000) and then installed K3B.


I then started K3B and it reports that there is no CD or DVD writer.

So how do I go about trouble shooting this?

Oh, there is a /dev/scd0 just like there was on the Centos 5.3 system 
that use to have this writer. 


Further testing results...

cdrdao read-cd --device /dev/scd0 --datafile CD.bin CD-toc

Works fine on an audio CD. But

cdrdao write --device /dev/scd0 CD-toc

Did not work. I was instructed I needed the generic-mmc-raw driver. And

cdrdao write --device /dev/scd0 --driver generic-mmc-raw CD-toc

worked fine.

I could not find anywhere in K3B to set the driver. Anyone have any 
ideas as to why k3b not working?


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Latest update broke the sound.

2009-09-14 Thread Wendell Nichols
I installed an update after being offline for 3 weeks.  My machine is a 
Thinkpad t61p and after the update sound does not work.  kmix will not 
start and kde complains that the sound devices are not available.  The 
sound driver (snd_hda_intel) is loaded as are the other usual suspects.

Has anyone else had a similar problem?
Wendell Nichols


sound system info:
[r...@bilbo wcn00]# uname -a
Linux bilbo 2.6.27.30-170.2.82.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 08:18:34 
EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


lspci -v
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
   Subsystem: Lenovo ThinkPad 
T61  
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 
17   
   Memory at fe22 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) 
[size=16K]
   Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 
2   
   Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ 
Count=1/1 Enable- 
   Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 
00 
   Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel 
 
   Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link 
   
   Kernel driver in use: HDA 
Intel 
   Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel


[r...@bilbo wcn00]# lsmod |grep snd
snd_hda_intel 480288  1
snd_seq_dummy  11396  0
snd_seq_oss39232  0
snd_seq_midi_event 14848  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq61968  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device 15380  3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss52352  0
snd_mixer_oss  23168  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm85768  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  30352  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 16656  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
snd_hwdep  16392  1 snd_hda_intel
snd68984  10 
snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_hwdep

soundcore  14992  2 snd





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Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Rick Sewill
I have a question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora.  

I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
I noticed, when I use regular mice, I have poor hand position.
So far, my wrist is okay...but it gets red if I'm not careful.

I was thinking, it might be better for me,
if I could use a joystick as a mouse.

I have an old joystick, made by InterAct, laying around.

Fedora recognizes my joystick.
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:2> $ lsusb
...
Bus 001 Device 007: ID 05fd:3300 InterAct, Inc. 
...
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:3> $ 

I can find the devices, for my joystick, in /dev/input/by-id:
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:10> $ ls -l /dev/input/by-id/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 9 2009-09-13 23:46
usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-event-joystick -> ../event5
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 6 2009-09-13 23:46
usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-joystick -> ../js0
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:11> $

I installed joystick-1.2.15-23.fc11.x86_64 to test my joystick.
Within this package is the program, jstest.
jstest seems to work with the link pointing to ../js0
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:15> $
jstest /dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-joystick 
Joystick (S.T.D. Interact Gaming Device) has 6 axes and 7 buttons.
Driver version is 2.1.0.
...
The x-axis, y-axis, z-axis, and all buttons are detected.
I believe jstest reports the correct states for the axes and buttons.

jstest with the symbolic link pointing to ../event5 fails with an error.
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:16> $
jstest /dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-event-joystick 
Joystick (Unknown) has 2 axes and 2 buttons. Driver version is 0.8.0.
Testing ... (interrupt to exit)

jstest: error reading: Invalid argument
rsew...@rsewill:~ <2:17> $ 

I tried adding the following lines to my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file,
[r...@rsewill X11]# diff -Naur xorg.conf.old xorg.conf
--- xorg.conf.old   2009-09-09 20:22:16.0 -0500
+++ xorg.conf   2009-09-14 09:12:29.0 -0500
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@
Identifier "single head configuration"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
+   InputDevice"Joystick0" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

@@ -23,6 +24,13 @@
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
EndSection

+Section "InputDevice"
+   Identifier  "Joystick0"
+   Driver  "evdev"
+   Option  "Device"
"/dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-joystick"
+   Option  "ButtonMapping" "4 2 3"
+EndSection
+
Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
HorizSync28.0 - 110.0
[r...@rsewill X11]# 

I get the following error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
(**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
(**) Joystick0: always reports core events
(**) Joystick0: Device:
"/dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-joystick"
(**) Joystick0: ButtonMapping '4 2 3'
(EE) ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: Invalid argument
(II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
(EE) PreInit returned NULL for "Joystick0"

Alternatively, I tried using the "event5" device,
[r...@rsewill X11]# diff -Naur xorg.conf.old xorg.conf
--- xorg.conf.old   2009-09-09 20:22:16.0 -0500
+++ xorg.conf   2009-09-14 09:18:49.0 -0500
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@
Identifier "single head configuration"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
+   InputDevice"Joystick0" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

@@ -23,6 +24,13 @@
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
EndSection

+Section "InputDevice"
+   Identifier  "Joystick0"
+   Driver  "evdev"
+   Option  "Device"
"/dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-event-joystick"
+   Option  "ButtonMapping" "4 2 3"
+EndSection
+
Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
HorizSync28.0 - 110.0
[r...@rsewill X11]# 

When I restart X, I get the following error:
(**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
(**) Joystick0: always reports core events
(**) Joystick0: Device:
"/dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-event-joystick"
(**) Joystick0: ButtonMapping '4 2 3'
(II) Joystick0: Found x and y absolute axes
(WW) Joystick0: Don't know how to use device
(II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
(EE) PreInit returned NULL for "Joystick0"

Searching the Internet, I believe I should use the evdev driver.

Any idea which device I should use in /dev/input/by-id ?
I suspect, but am not certain, I should use
/dev/input/by-id/usb-S.T.D._Interact_Gaming_Device-event-joystick

Any idea how to get around the "Don't know how to use device" error?
I suspect, if I knew how to map x and y absolute axes to relative axes,
I might make progress on getting this to work.

On a side note, I have a dual-boot system.  
I tried booting Windows and installed a third party app
to use my joystick as a mouse.  I was partially successful.
I could move the mouse using my joystick, but I didn't like the result.
The mouse movement wasn't crisp.  The mouse movement start

Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Tony Nelson
On 09-09-14 10:45:28, Rick Sewill wrote:
> I have a question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora.  
> 
> I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
> I noticed, when I use regular mice, I have poor hand position.
> So far, my wrist is okay...but it gets red if I'm not careful.
> 
> I was thinking, it might be better for me,
> if I could use a joystick as a mouse.

You might first try setting the mouse Sensitivity and Pointer Speed as 
low as they go, so that moving the mouse across the screen will require 
moving your hand rather than flexing your wrist.

Note that the injury one gets from repeatedly flexing your wrist is not 
to the carpal tunnels.

Injury to the carpal tunnels can result from extended periods of typing 
with the wrists bent up to type on a low keyboard.  Raising the 
keyboard to upper-chest level will prevent such bad wrist positioning, 
as will most "standing stations".  A "wrist rest" also straightens the 
wrists, but applies pressure to the carpal tunnels, adding to their 
irritation.

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Re: enabling root over ssh on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Aaron Gray
2009/9/12 Sharpe, Sam J

>

> 2009/9/12 Aaron Gray :
> > 2009/9/12 Jonathan Dieter 
> >>
> >> On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 20:53 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote:
> >> > I still cannot access root at login !
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Must still be doing something dumb :(
> >> > Aaron
> >>
> >> Looking at your earlier log, I have to ask.  Are you sure you're typing
> >> in the correct password?
> >
> > Yes, the same password as works with 'su' once logged in as a normal
> user.
> > Aaron
>
> Are the permissions on root's .ssh folder set correctly (chmod -R 700
> .ssh) on the source and target?
>
> That's the most common cause I've seen of failed logins
>
>
The target F11 system does not appear to have a '.ssh' folder. The source is
PUTTY on Windows Vista.

Login is working fine now I have the correct IP address !:)

Aaron


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root GDM login failing on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Aaron Gray
Hi,
I am still having problems logging in using GDM. I have removed the suffix "
user != root quiet" from /etc/pam.d/gdm, which works on F10, but not on two
F11 system instillations.

Help,

Aaron
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Re: unable to login after getting system update of X11 in fedora 11

2009-09-14 Thread suvayu ali
2009/9/14 Jatin K :
> On 09/14/2009 02:15 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday 13 September 2009 10:49 PM, Joachim Backes wrote:
>>>
>>> In /etc/yum.conf add a line:
>>>
>>> exclude=xorg-x11-server-Xorg
>>>
>>> Or extend an existing "exclude" line by ",xorg-x11-server-Xorg"
>>>
>>
>> As a note, this also means you won't be able to update this package even
>> when the bug is fixed, without editing this line again. Isn't running
>> without desktop effects a more practical solution here?
>>
> that is good solution ...but here with me , if I disable desktop effects my
> firefox and all video players ( vlc, banshee, rhythmbox)   goes mad ...
> firefox cannot handle the flash video and all video players cannot play
> video file ... say if I go to www.youtube.com ( after disabling the desktop
> effects ) and try to watch the video ... video gates scramble ...dots and
> linings only . if I play any video files with any above said video
> players they cannot play the video file again garbage video ..   if I
> re-enable the desktop effects forefox and all the players  runs fine without
> any
> problem. I 've already posted this problem before sometime on this list but
> didn't get the solution :-(
>

Its usually the other way, video playback gets affected adversely when
compiz is turned on! Thats very strange. I guess for your
circumstances using the exclude option would be the best. However you
should remember to check from time to time whether there has been an
update for xorg-x11-server-Xorg. Its a very crucial package, you
should avoid not updating it only as long its absolutely necessary for
your box to stay usable.

GL

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nfs.mount: access denied by server issue

2009-09-14 Thread matt tobin
When I try to log in with a user account on a Mac OS X Tiger 10.4 
server, I get an unable to authenticate user message.

logging in as root in terminal and using mount -a reveals:
nfs.mount: access denied by server while mounting server:/folder

I've been able to hook up several Dell computers with no issues.  This 
is a non-dell client machine.
I've confirmed the hosts and fstab are the same as other systems and 
that the machine is on a static ip address.


any suggestions?

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Re: unable to login after getting system update of X11 in fedora 11

2009-09-14 Thread Jatin K

On 09/14/2009 11:23 PM, suvayu ali wrote:

2009/9/14 Jatin K:
   

On 09/14/2009 02:15 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 

On Sunday 13 September 2009 10:49 PM, Joachim Backes wrote:
   

In /etc/yum.conf add a line:

exclude=xorg-x11-server-Xorg

Or extend an existing "exclude" line by ",xorg-x11-server-Xorg"

 

As a note, this also means you won't be able to update this package even
when the bug is fixed, without editing this line again. Isn't running
without desktop effects a more practical solution here?

   

that is good solution ...but here with me , if I disable desktop effects my
firefox and all video players ( vlc, banshee, rhythmbox)   goes mad ...
firefox cannot handle the flash video and all video players cannot play
video file ... say if I go to www.youtube.com ( after disabling the desktop
effects ) and try to watch the video ... video gates scramble ...dots and
linings only . if I play any video files with any above said video
players they cannot play the video file again garbage video ..   if I
re-enable the desktop effects forefox and all the players  runs fine without
any
problem. I 've already posted this problem before sometime on this list but
didn't get the solution :-(

 

Its usually the other way, video playback gets affected adversely when
compiz is turned on! Thats very strange. I guess for your
circumstances using the exclude option would be the best. However you
should remember to check from time to time whether there has been an
update for xorg-x11-server-Xorg. Its a very crucial package, you
should avoid not updating it only as long its absolutely necessary for
your box to stay usable.

GL

   
ya thnx  That I will take care abt it . once or twice in a 
week I will change yum.conf and run the software update  I think it 
will be batter for me .. but I cant understand that garbage 
video problem


BTW ...I've got some tweaking ..that is working form me 

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Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread g
Rick Sewill wrote:

> I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
> I noticed, when I use regular mice, I have poor hand position.
> So far, my wrist is okay...but it gets red if I'm not careful.
> 
> I was thinking, it might be better for me,
> if I could use a joystick as a mouse.

cts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome

my experience of fighting cts

when i first started with micro computers, s100 days, i made a wrist rest with
a three layer of rolled bubble wrap with a hand towel wrapped around it,
because of rough edge of plywood bench keyboard was on. later, i made up a
small one to rest my wrist on for mouse.

years later, when doctors discover problems of nerve compression, i was glad
that i that i started with a c/d grade board for bench.

when gel pads came out, i got a long one that allows me to use it for both
keyboard and a logitech thumb marble.

i bought thumb marble when it first came out and does not have a scroll
wheel. holding down button and moving marble works great for dragging a
scroll bar.

when viewing web pages with firefox and email with thunderbird, a center key
click on page brings up a 'scroll target' that allows up/down, left/right
scrolling.

so, even tho you have a joystick, get a thumb marble, which works better than
a finger marble [i have tried both] an enjoy using computer with a minimum
of hand movement when 'mousing'.

i payed $50 for mine, but they can be found on ebay, $5 used to $20 nib.

i have recommended them to my friends and one who has both a mid tower and
laptop has one for each.

another thing to consider, take a break every couple hours at keyboard and
twist your wrist up/down, side to side and move them in circles along with
wiggling and bending your fingers. doing same with arms, elbows and shoulders
and neck also helps. getting up and moving around and bending is good also.

just my 2 cents worth, but it has provided me with near to 35 years of
enjoyable computing time and no cts.

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Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread g
Tony Nelson wrote:

> A "wrist rest" also straightens the wrists, but applies pressure to the
> carpal tunnels, adding to their irritation.

this true, but it is back of palm that should set on 'wrist rest'.

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F11: Amarok doesn't see all my music files

2009-09-14 Thread Don Levey
Please forgive me if this is not the appropriate place for this question.

I am running Amarok 2.1.1 (Qt 4.5.2, KDE 4.3.00, MySQL 5.1.37) on Fedora
11.  I have a reasonably large collection of MP3s that I've built up
over the years, housed on a central server on my network and mounted on
my PC via NFS.  I can point Amarok to the collection and scan it, and
*most* of the files are picked up for the "local collection."  However,
there are some that do not show at all.

I thought that it might have been the program used to encode the tracks,
but I'm finding certain albums which are incomplete - I can see tracks
1-5, for example, but not tracks 6-10, and the entire album was ripped
at once.  Some entire albums don't show.  I thought it might be the
tags, perhaps some errant information, but making sure to standardise
them doesn't seem to help.  No matter what I do, I can't seem to find
these tracks.

As is traditional in cases such as this, this used to work in F10,
though I can't remember the pertinent Amarok versions.  Are there any
suggestions?  Please let me know if there's more information that I can
provide.

Thank you,
 -Don Levey

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Viewing virtual memory locations from the command line ??

2009-09-14 Thread William Case
Hi;

I can use gnome-system-monitor with the Ctrl-M key to view memory
addresses for various processes.  It will show me a pop-up window with |
VM Start | VM End | VM Size | Flags | VM Offset | etc.

What would be the command line equivalent ?  

I am assuming that such a command line equivalent would have more
refinements than gnome-system-monitor.  I have tried ps, vmstat,
cat /proc/*/stat, but have not been able to get what I want to see  --
the actual address and offset.

Besides user process addresses, I would like to see kernel processes
addresses on stdout.  My understanding is that Virtual Memory for the
kernel map to the same addresses as their physical addresses, so either
view would do.  Also, my understanding is that Virtual Memory creates a
buffer in physical memory where it keeps the VM structure; similarly for
a DMA buffer.  I would like to view them as well -- at least once.

I have three reasons for doing this;

1) I am currently looking closer at how RAM memory is used.  And, like
the guy from Missouri said "seeing is believing".

2) I want to draw a representation of what is in memory at any given
time, just to fix memory operations better in my mind

3) My frustration level is almost boiling over after having spent the
morning trying to find a command line command that will show me
addresses.  Now I just want to know how, or if, it can be done from the
command line.

To avoid anyone spending a lot of time on long explanations, I just need
someone to point me in the right direction re: commands.  If I have
stated some mis-assumptions here, don't worry about it.  I have several
kernel and architecture texts and I am just starting my closer look.

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Re: F11: Amarok doesn't see all my music files

2009-09-14 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:30:15 -0400, Don wrote:

> Please forgive me if this is not the appropriate place for this question.
> 
> I am running Amarok 2.1.1 (Qt 4.5.2, KDE 4.3.00, MySQL 5.1.37) on Fedora
> 11.  I have a reasonably large collection of MP3s that I've built up
> over the years, housed on a central server on my network and mounted on
> my PC via NFS.  I can point Amarok to the collection and scan it, and
> *most* of the files are picked up for the "local collection."  However,
> there are some that do not show at all.
> 
> I thought that it might have been the program used to encode the tracks,
> but I'm finding certain albums which are incomplete - I can see tracks
> 1-5, for example, but not tracks 6-10, and the entire album was ripped
> at once.  Some entire albums don't show.  I thought it might be the
> tags, perhaps some errant information, but making sure to standardise
> them doesn't seem to help.  No matter what I do, I can't seem to find
> these tracks.
> 
> As is traditional in cases such as this, this used to work in F10,
> though I can't remember the pertinent Amarok versions.  Are there any
> suggestions?  Please let me know if there's more information that I can
> provide.

1) Is it reproducible with individual albums? Can you copy all tracks
of an affected album to a different location and reproduce the problem
there?

2) Have you run  amarokcollectionscanner  in a terminal yet to see
what output it gives for an album that is affected?

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Re: root GDM login failing on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Aaron Gray wrote:
> I am still having problems logging in using GDM. I have removed the
> suffix " user != root quiet" from /etc/pam.d/gdm, which works on
> F10, but not on two F11 system instillations.

Please ask yourself whether you have any need to do something that
makes your system much less secure.  This comes up often and the
archives are littered with reasons why it's a poor choice.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_Root_User_For_GNOME_Display_Manager

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Re: F11: Amarok doesn't see all my music files

2009-09-14 Thread Don Levey
Michael Schwendt wrote:
>
> 
> 1) Is it reproducible with individual albums? Can you copy all tracks
> of an affected album to a different location and reproduce the problem
> there?
>
Yep - there seems to be something about the tracks, I guess.


> 2) Have you run  amarokcollectionscanner  in a terminal yet to see
> what output it gives for an album that is affected?
> 

Not yet; I'm about to...
OK, I ran it.  I tested on a directory in which I know I've had
problems, (has two subdirectories, each with one album) and I see no
error or differences between working and non-working tracks.  I then
went up one level to the entire collection, but there was too much
information.  I did see a run of "invalid sample rate" errors but these
didn't reference a file.

Does this make sense?

 -Don

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Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:45:28 -0500,
  Rick Sewill  wrote:
> 
> Is there a Linux GUI program, perhaps a game, I can use,
> to test my joystick to build confidence the hardware and software work?

Urquan Masters (uqm + data from an external website) can use a joystick.


The last time I played it, I found that just using the joystick didn't stop
the screen saver from kicking in. It is bad to have the screen saver
activate when in the middle of a melee or when gathering resources on
a nasty planet.

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Re: F11: Amarok doesn't see all my music files

2009-09-14 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 14 September 2009 19:47:46 Don Levey wrote:
> Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > 1) Is it reproducible with individual albums? Can you copy all tracks
> > of an affected album to a different location and reproduce the problem
> > there?
> 
> Yep - there seems to be something about the tracks, I guess.
> 
> > 2) Have you run  amarokcollectionscanner  in a terminal yet to see
> > what output it gives for an album that is affected?
> 
> Not yet; I'm about to...
> OK, I ran it.  I tested on a directory in which I know I've had
> problems, (has two subdirectories, each with one album) and I see no
> error or differences between working and non-working tracks.  I then
> went up one level to the entire collection, but there was too much
> information.  I did see a run of "invalid sample rate" errors but these
> didn't reference a file.
> 
> Does this make sense?
> 
>  -Don
> 
Don, if this turns out to be complicated, there is a dedicated list (not too 
high traffic, compared with this one) at 
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok

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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930

On 14/09/09 17:56, Deron Meranda wrote:

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM,
n2xssvv.g02gfr12930  wrote:

yumex is a gui application that uses yum unfortunately. But yum itself is
not a gui application and can install and update from remote repositories.


Thanks.  I use rpm and yum (command line) frequently.  But I don't use
the graphical tools very often, so yumex was new to me.  Is it just a
front-end to yum, and is there anything that yumex does that yum can't?



These repositories locations are defined in *.repo files that can be found
in the /etc/yum.repos.d directory, and they are plain text files.


Normally, adding yum repositories is not too hard; but I'm not very
familiar with which repositories exist and which ones I should try using.

You mentioned the RPM Fusion repositories; where do I find out
more about that?


However, that's fine for an already-running system.  But I'm not aware
of how to configure any of this when booting from the F11 DVD.  How
in the install/upgrade process can you tell it to do something different?



http://www.ghacks.net/2009/01/14/fedora-10-and-the-evolution-of-xorg/


Thanks for the link.  I was vaguely aware of some of that, but it
is interesting nonetheless.



As far as I can tell you probably need to configure for the old nv video
drivers rather than the nouveau ones it's trying to use.


Agreed, either that or somehow get it to use a newer/fixed version
somehow (which I hope is fixed by F12).



Hope these pointers help you resolve your problems.


Thanks again


From the RPM Fusion website http://rpmfusion.org

/--
To enable access to both the free and the nonfree repository use the 
following command:


*

  Fedora 10 or 11:

  su -c 'rpm -Uvh 
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm 
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm'


*

  Fedora Alpha, Beta, Preview, Rawhide, RC, Snapshot aka. what will 
become Fedora 12:


  su -c 'rpm -Uvh 
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-rawhide.noarch.rpm 
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-rawhide.noarch.rpm'


*

  RHEL5 or compatible like CentOS:

  su -c 'rpm -Uvh 
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/el/updates/testing/5/i386/rpmfusion-free-release-5-0.1.noarch.rpm 
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/el/updates/testing/5/i386/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-5-0.1.noarch.rpm'

-/

The Fedora and RPM Fusion repo repository settings rely on settings set 
up by the relevant release RPM, like the one below


fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm

Yumex captures the output from yum and therefore makes it easier to see 
what has occurred and so decide what to do next. Naturally yum gives you 
better access to all it's features.


Another application you may find useful is createrepo which as the name 
suggests helps you to create your own repository.


Try searching the web, it's all there somewhere.

JB

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Recent update changed usb device support

2009-09-14 Thread Wendell Nichols
Since my last update I am now required to enter the root password in a 
dialog to mount a usbdrive.  This update (3 weeks of accumulated updates 
really) broke three separate things!

-sound
-usb support
-firefox 32bit

I know that there are no garantees here.. but really.
wcn

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Re: Yumex: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora

2009-09-14 Thread James Wilkinson
Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:
> This is the result:
> ###
> [r...@jjj ~]# yum -d 10 whatever
> Loading "aliases" plugin
> Loading "allowdowngrade" plugin
> Loading "auto-update-debuginfo" plugin
> Loading "basearchonly" plugin
> Loading "blacklist" plugin
> Loading "changelog" plugin
> Loading "downloadonly" plugin
> Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
> Loading "fedorakmod" plugin
> Loading "filter-data" plugin
> Loading "kernel-module" plugin
> Loading "keys" plugin
> Loading "list-data" plugin
> Loading "merge-conf" plugin
> Loading "post-transaction-actions" plugin
> Loading "presto" plugin
> Loading "priorities" plugin
> Loading "protect-packages" plugin
> Loading "protectbase" plugin
> Loading "refresh-packagekit" plugin
> Loading "refresh-updatesd" plugin
> Loading "remove-with-leaves" plugin
> Loading "rpm-warm-cache" plugin
> Loading "security" plugin
> Loading "show-leaves" plugin
> Not loading "tmprepo" plugin, as it is disabled
> Loading "tsflags" plugin
> Loading "upgrade-helper" plugin
> Loading "verify" plugin
> Loading "versionlock" plugin
> Loading "whiteout" plugin

That’s a *lot* of plugins. Do you really need them all?

Does something like
yum --disableplugin=\* update
help? If so, then you probably have conflicts between some of those
plugins, and should investigate.

If you can determine *which* plugins conflict, please report it on
Bugzilla.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Recent update changed usb device support

2009-09-14 Thread jack craig
i have been staying current with updates, using usb a lot and not seeing 
this issue.


could it be your configuration is different?

just a wag, ...


On 09/14/2009 11:54 AM, Wendell Nichols wrote:
Since my last update I am now required to enter the root password in a 
dialog to mount a usbdrive.  This update (3 weeks of accumulated 
updates really) broke three separate things!

-sound
-usb support
-firefox 32bit

I know that there are no garantees here.. but really.
wcn



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Re: Update to 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i586 duplex problem

2009-09-14 Thread James Wilkinson
Anton Buenavista wrote:
> Recently updated kernel to 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i586 and now my Fedora
> system won't boot up.
> 
> It boots up to the splash screen after which I am greeted with an "alt1
> :02:00.0: eth0 link is up 100 Mbps full duplex" on my screen. It
> stops there and I am unable to do anything but restart. The old kernels
> still work. Can anyone advise on how I can remedy this?

Kevin J. Cummings suggested:
> Have you disabled RHGB and looked at where it hangs during startup?

Disable the “quiet” kernel parameter, too.

For a one-off check, you would do this by selecting the kernel you want
to boot in grub (you’ve evidently found how to do this), press “e” to
edit the commands before booting, move down to the kernel line, press
“e” again to edit the kernel command line, and remove the “rhgb” and
“quiet” words. Then press Enter a few times.

Hope this helps,

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Upcoming IRC Classroom Session for the week of 2009-09-14

2009-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. 

This is a regular posting every monday,
letting people know about the upcoming IRC classroom sessions that are
scheduled. 

From the Classroom page at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
we currently have the following Classes scheduled: 

2009-09-29 01:00 UTC Upcoming Fedora 12 Features overview -- Kevin Fenzi

We have several other classes in planning stages now, hopefully to be
announced soon. 

Please see the above page for more information on signing up to teach a
class, providing feedback to the classroom mailing list or other
general information. 

Hope to see you all there!

kevin


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Re: root GDM login failing on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Aaron Gray
2009/9/14 Todd Zullinger 

> Aaron Gray wrote:
> > I am still having problems logging in using GDM. I have removed the
> > suffix " user != root quiet" from /etc/pam.d/gdm, which works on
> > F10, but not on two F11 system instillations.
>
> Please ask yourself whether you have any need to do something that
> makes your system much less secure.  This comes up often and the
> archives are littered with reasons why it's a poor choice.
>

Yes :)


> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_Root_User_For_GNOME_Display_Manager


Thank for the link.

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Re: Yumex: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora

2009-09-14 Thread Jim

On 09/14/2009 03:23 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:
   

This is the result:
###
[r...@jjj ~]# yum -d 10 whatever
Loading "aliases" plugin
Loading "allowdowngrade" plugin
Loading "auto-update-debuginfo" plugin
Loading "basearchonly" plugin
Loading "blacklist" plugin
Loading "changelog" plugin
Loading "downloadonly" plugin
Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
Loading "fedorakmod" plugin
Loading "filter-data" plugin
Loading "kernel-module" plugin
Loading "keys" plugin
Loading "list-data" plugin
Loading "merge-conf" plugin
Loading "post-transaction-actions" plugin
Loading "presto" plugin
Loading "priorities" plugin
Loading "protect-packages" plugin
Loading "protectbase" plugin
Loading "refresh-packagekit" plugin
Loading "refresh-updatesd" plugin
Loading "remove-with-leaves" plugin
Loading "rpm-warm-cache" plugin
Loading "security" plugin
Loading "show-leaves" plugin
Not loading "tmprepo" plugin, as it is disabled
Loading "tsflags" plugin
Loading "upgrade-helper" plugin
Loading "verify" plugin
Loading "versionlock" plugin
Loading "whiteout" plugin
 

That’s a *lot* of plugins. Do you really need them all?

Does something like
yum --disableplugin=\* update
help? If so, then you probably have conflicts between some of those
plugins, and should investigate.

If you can determine *which* plugins conflict, please report it on
Bugzilla.

Hope this helps,

James.
   

I had this problem and it was related to a DNS problem in FC10, FC11, FC12.
Have you had any other problems where it can't find a URL ?
I filed a Bug report 552588,  Or sometimes in Firefox can't find 
rpmfusion.org.

Hopefully this problem will be fixed.

I attached a file on how I got around it.
1.  Q: Networking (or DNS) seems really slow and fails often (Updated 2 January 
2009)
A: If Fedora 10's networking seems slow or you get frequent network connection 
failures (when other Fedoras or other OSes were working just fine on your 
machine), then you're probably hitting this bug.

Here's how you can work around it:

   1. Open a Terminal.
   2. Become root:

  su -
   3. Make sure that the "dnsmasq" program is installed (it usually is, by 
default, in Fedora 10):

  rpm -q dnsmasq

  If that says "package dnsmasq is not installed", then you need to install 
dnsmasq, by running the following command:

  yum install dnsmasq
   4. Now, you have to find out which network interface your machine is using:

  route -n

  You'll see some output that looks like this:

  Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 
0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0

  The eth0 there (the furthest bottom-right text in the output) is the name 
of the network interface I'm using. Yours might be eth1 or something totally 
different. Just remember it for the next step.
   5. Now create a file called /etc/dhclient-.conf. For 
example, if your network interface is eth0, the file would be called 
/etc/dhclient-eth0.conf.

  You can create the file with this command (assuming your network 
interface is eth0):

  nano /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf

  Then make this the only line in the file:

  prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;

  And then save the file and close it (Ctrl-X then Y).

  If you have both a wireless and a wired network connection, you will have 
to do this step once for each of them.
   6. Now start dnsmasq:

  service dnsmasq start

  And make sure that it will start every time your computer starts:

  chkconfig dnsmasq on
   7. Now restart your network connection:

  service NetworkManager restart

And now things should be as fast as normal again. You might have to restart the 
programs that you're running for them to pick up the changes that 
NetworkManager made when it restarted.



2.  * IPv6
You might notice that your browsing through Firefox is a little slow on Fedora 
10. This is because Firefox 3 has enabled by default IPv6 which causes Firefox 
to first resolve an IPv6 address and after the connection fails it switches to 
IPv4. To change this setting type:

about:config


and in Filter box type:

network.dns.disableIPv6


Right click on it, select Toggle and change its value to true. Restart Firefox 
and you are ready! 




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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread Kam Leo
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Deron Meranda  wrote:
> I'm trying to install/upgrade a system currently running F10 to F11
> (64-bit AMD, 4MB ram).
>
> The anaconda graphical install fails, and it always falls back to
> the text mode install.  I have to use the graphical mode, because
> I need partitioning/LVM/LUKS options that the text mode
> does not support.
>
> This system worked fine with both F9 and F10.  I'm using the
> on-board graphics chip on the motherboard (ASUS M2NBP-VM CSM)
> which is supposedly an nVidia GeForce 6150LE.
>
>
> Anyway during the early F11 anaconda install it always outputs:
>  WARNING :  X startup failed, falling back to text mode
>
> Looking at the X.log file, I have these excerpts:
>
>  X.log 
> Kernel command line: initrd=initrd.img BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz
> Build Date: 18 May 2009  02:47:15PM
> Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.6.1.901-1.fc11
> 
> (--) PCI:*(0...@0:5:0) nVidia Corporation C51 [Quadro NVS 210S/GeForce 
> 6150LE] rev
> 162, Mem @ 0xfc00/16777216, 0xd000/268435456, 0xfb00/16777216, 
> BIOS
> @ 0x/131072
> 
> (II) NOUVEAU driver
> (II) NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families :
>        GeForce 6   (NV4x)
> 
> (--) NOUVEAU(0): Chipset: "NVIDIA NV4E"
> 
> (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting dpms mode 3 on vga encoder (output 0)
> (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting dpms mode 3 on tmds encoder (output 1)
> (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting dpms mode 3 on CRTC 0
> (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting dpms mode 3 on CRTC 1
> (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting dpms mode 3 on CRTC 0
>
> Fatal server error:
> Detected GPU lockup
>
>  End X.log 
>
>
> Does anybody have any idea what may have changed in F11, and how
> I can get the graphical installer to run like it did in previous releases?
> --
> Deron Meranda

Have you tried installing with vga=vesa?  If I recall correctly you
need to press TAB and append that to grub.

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discovering network printers on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Globe Trotter
Hi,

I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I fire up 
system-config-printer and ask for this to be searched but nothing is found. 
However, system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the printers 
without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is not set right on F11, and 
how do I fix it?

best wishes,
Trotter


  

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Re: discovering network printers on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Stefano
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Globe Trotter  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I fire up 
> system-config-printer and ask for this to be searched but nothing is found. 
> However, system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the 
> printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is not set right on 
> F11, and how do I fix it?

Hi

Tray to enable client ipp, for network print, in Firewall (see in System 
Administration).

Bye
Ste

> best wishes,
> Trotter
> 
> 
>   
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How Fedora chose me

2009-09-14 Thread gilpel
I just saw that the "Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch" has
been continuing as some learned Fedora vs Ubuntu debate. Since I deleted
those messages, I have to start a new thread.

Countrary to most people here, I'm not very tech savvy. All I want is my
distro to work. I have a certain age, my health is, to say the least, less
than optimal and, to me, the less trouble, the better.

I tried (K)Ubuntu and Debian about 2 years ago before adopting Mandriva
and, with both distros, after spending 15 minutes listening to streaming
audio with Amarok, I found that, on the next reboot, both my user and root
passwords were changed. Not being very much into security auditing, I
opted for Mandriva because, at the time, SELinux still seemed to cause
issues with Fedora.

Mandriva fared well except, at the end, it would take about 5 minutes to
boot. Glitch or hack, I have no idea, but I put up with this for maybe two
months because, the Mandriva community being less learned than the Fedora
community, I didn't feel like inquiring about this very uncommon matter.


As Fedora 11 came out, I bought a new computer. SELinux issues seemed to
have been ironed out and I also soon found out that it was the only distro
that would install with a correct 1280 x 1024 screen definition. Mandriva,
for instance, never could get me to a login screen. Suse, which I would
never have been caught dead using, gave me a 800 x 600 screen and, as far
as I remember, it was the best of the bunch. There was a time when I
fiddled in xf86config, but not anymore...

So, Fedora chose me more than I chose Fedora. I was afraid that, Fedora
having a bleeding edge reputation, some applications would prove unstable,
but it wasn't the case.

The only serious problem I had with Fedora is a kmod-nvidia package from
testing was installed while I had never enabled testing. How this
happened, I have no idea.

Of course. I've read that deb packaging being more elaborate than rpm,
upgrades are easier. I'll see. I hope it's not too complicated 'cause, for
the time being, I'm in bed 12 hours a day and, on big days, I wash the
dishes.

I know geeks like Fedora, but I hope it keeps working for me too. Though
Fedora 11 worked right out of the box two weeks after release, now that I
have it installed on my computer, I might wait a month or two before I
adopt the new version of Fedora. I just don't want to take chances.

>From what I read along the last years, it seems that integrating SELinux
seemlessly into Fedora has been a painstaking experiment. So much so that
only Red Hat/Fedora went for this venture straight on without
shilly-shallying. Even Suse has pretty much given up on AppArmor
development, whose implementation was easier than SELinux.

People here talk a lot about package management. As the security of the
net is not improving and Linux market share will hopefully be increasing,
I wonder if Red Hat's investments in security will not be what will
finally pay off.

I'm as far from a geek as anybody can be, but I certainly appreciate that
Fedora chose me.

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Re: RE: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread DB



On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Smith, Herb wrote:
>
>
> I adopted a "track ball" mouse that allows you to move the cursor with
> your thumb and thus eliminate the necessity to have a lot of wrist
> movement.  It works great for me.
>
> Herb Smith
>
>
>
Hi,

I also use a Logitech TB (Trackman Marble FX) where the ball is finger 
(rather than thumb) operated which put all the strain on my thumb as 
it ends up operating the Left button.  So I have to reverse the mouse in 
System Setup (left-handed mouse) & this works fine.


Cheers

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Re: Fedora version

2009-09-14 Thread James Wilkinson
Rajendra Sakpal wrote:
> Hi Paul,

Not Paul, but…

> I need some suggestion or input from you.  Which architecture type did you
> choose for your installation on i7-920 processor? Please refer the table
> below.
> 
>  Intel (except Atom 230, Atom 330, Core 2 Duo, Centrino Core2 Duo, and
> recent vintage Xeon); AMD (except Athlon 64, Athlon x2, Sempron 64, and
> Opteron); VIA C3, C7 i386  Intel Atom 230, Atom 330, Core 2 Duo, Centrino
> Core 2 Duo, and Xeon; AMD Athlon 64, Athlon x2, Sempron64, and Opteron;
> Apple MacBook, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air x86_64  Apple Macintosh G3, G4,
> G5, PowerBook, and other non-Intel models ppc

Whatever email client you’re using, it made a *mess* of that table in
plain text!

You don’t want ppc. It won’t work on your system.

Either i386 or x86_64 will work well for you. x86_64 (64 bit) will be
slightly faster (normally, although it’s not noticeable), and will be
able to use more than 3 GB of RAM in one program. (I notice you say
you’ve got 8 GB – lucky person!)

i386 may be easier to get working with some non-Fedora software, if that
matters to you.

I’ve been on x86_64 since 2005.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Fedora 10: No sound! How to make it to default drivers

2009-09-14 Thread James Wilkinson
Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:
> By mistake I have installed drivers that do not work, and my good working
> drivers are gone.
> Now, how to reach to default situation?

Erm – how did you install the drivers? If you ran a program that you
downloaded from a manufacturer’s web site, then it could have done
anything to your system. Installing a new kernel may not be sufficient,
since it may have mucked up your user space, too.

Does the web site have any “uninstall” options?

It’s possible that the manufacturer may have messed up your install
to the point that it’s going to be difficult to recover it.

If you want to experiment, you could run rpm -Va and see which files
have been modified…

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Re: Recent update changed usb device support

2009-09-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 12:54 -0600, Wendell Nichols wrote:
> Since my last update I am now required to enter the root password in a 
> dialog to mount a usbdrive.  This update (3 weeks of accumulated updates 
> really) broke three separate things!
> -sound
> -usb support
> -firefox 32bit
> 
> I know that there are no garantees here.. but really.

You don't say which release of Fedora this is happening to. Neither do
you say which desktop you are using (could be relevant for USB automount
support).

poc

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Re: Question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora please?

2009-09-14 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Rick Sewill  wrote:
> I have a question on using a Joystick as a mouse in Fedora.
>
> I wish to avoid getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
> I noticed, when I use regular mice, I have poor hand position.
> So far, my wrist is okay...but it gets red if I'm not careful.

What you need is a TRACKBALL. A good, old-fashioned Trackball.

I use one... the Kensington Expert Mouse 5.0 (don´t let words fool
you, it´s a TRACKBALL).
It uses a PS2 connection so no special drivers are needed. Find one on eBay...

Your wrist moves very little -if at all- and you can move the ball
with the tip of your fingers...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Trackball-Kensington-ExpertMouse5.jpg

FC

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Re: Fedora version

2009-09-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:06:09PM +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Rajendra Sakpal wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> 
> Not Paul, but…

That's me! :-)

> > I need some suggestion or input from you.  Which architecture type did you
> > choose for your installation on i7-920 processor? Please refer the table
> > below.
> > 
> >  Intel (except Atom 230, Atom 330, Core 2 Duo, Centrino Core2 Duo, and
> > recent vintage Xeon); AMD (except Athlon 64, Athlon x2, Sempron 64, and
> > Opteron); VIA C3, C7 i386  Intel Atom 230, Atom 330, Core 2 Duo, Centrino
> > Core 2 Duo, and Xeon; AMD Athlon 64, Athlon x2, Sempron64, and Opteron;
> > Apple MacBook, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air x86_64  Apple Macintosh G3, G4,
> > G5, PowerBook, and other non-Intel models ppc
> 
> Whatever email client you’re using, it made a *mess* of that table in
> plain text!

Really? It looked OK for me, but I'm using mutt and rendering tables
using 'links -dump'.

> You don’t want ppc. It won’t work on your system.
> 
> Either i386 or x86_64 will work well for you. x86_64 (64 bit) will be
> slightly faster (normally, although it’s not noticeable), and will be
> able to use more than 3 GB of RAM in one program. (I notice you say
> you’ve got 8 GB – lucky person!)
> 
> i386 may be easier to get working with some non-Fedora software, if that
> matters to you.
> 
> I’ve been on x86_64 since 2005.

My box is on x86_64.  Anything Core2 Duo or newer from Intel will run
x86_64 just fine, and the RAM statement above is spot-on.  Although I
tend to avoid non-Fedora software, I haven't had any problems making
e.g. Flash, Skype (eeww!), or other such guff run on other people's
machines.

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Re: discovering network printers on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Globe Trotter


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Stefano  wrote:

> From: Stefano 
> Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:46 PM
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700
> (PDT)
> Globe Trotter 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I
> fire up system-config-printer and ask for this to be
> searched but nothing is found. However,
> system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the
> printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is
> not set right on F11, and how do I fix it?
> 
> Hi
> 
> Tray to enable client ipp, for network print, in Firewall
> (see in System Administration).
> 
> Bye
> Ste

Hi,

Thanks very much! I enabled this (as well as the ipp server) but it had no 
effect: clicking on the search for network printers and got nothing. My 
/var/log messages reported the following lines:

hp: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1
python: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1

Any suggestions?

Best,
T


  

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F11: No boot menu

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
Hello all,

  F11 is great.  So great that I've installed at work for daily use,
replacing my F8 installation.  x86_64 at that.  

  Anyhow, I have F8 on /dev/sda6 and installed F11 on /dev/sda1.  After
install and full update, there's no boot menu that allows choosing
between F8 (which is still there on disk) and F11.

  A grub.conf file exists with two entries, one for the original F11
2.9.29 kernel, and one for the updated 2.9.30 kernel.  Even that is not
shown at boot time.  I could add the F8 info to the file, although the
ones already in there are not offered at boot time.

  Is there now a special key sequence to access the once familiar boot
menu ?  If I install F11 on a computer that has Windows (although on a
different partition) will it still be possible to dual-boot
Windows/F11 ?

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F11: x86_64: Different boot styles

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
I've installed F11 x86_64 on two 64-bits machines from the very same
DVD and the two machines boot in a different manner:

1st : by showing a blue/white horizontal bar at the bottow of the
screen.  This boot method seems slow.

2nd: by showing a slanted 'teardrop' in the middle of the screen that
quickly shows the Fedora logo.  This boot method is faster.

Why are there two different ways of booting on two x86_64 machines from
the very same DVD ?  What is the mechanism that lead to these two
different approaches ?


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Re: F11: No boot menu

2009-09-14 Thread Ed Greshko
lanas wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>   F11 is great.  So great that I've installed at work for daily use,
> replacing my F8 installation.  x86_64 at that.  
>
>   Anyhow, I have F8 on /dev/sda6 and installed F11 on /dev/sda1.  After
> install and full update, there's no boot menu that allows choosing
> between F8 (which is still there on disk) and F11.
>
>   A grub.conf file exists with two entries, one for the original F11
> 2.9.29 kernel, and one for the updated 2.9.30 kernel.  Even that is not
> shown at boot time.  I could add the F8 info to the file, although the
> ones already in there are not offered at boot time.
>
>   Is there now a special key sequence to access the once familiar boot
> menu ?  If I install F11 on a computer that has Windows (although on a
> different partition) will it still be possible to dual-boot
> Windows/F11 ?
>
>   
One thing you can do is change the line in the grub.conf to "timeout=5".  

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F11 and jackd

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
Hi,

  Using yum I've installed jackd and qjackctl on an fully updated F11
x86_64 system.  When using qjackctl to start jackd it reports that it
cannot connect to alsa.  What would be the proper configuration to use
jackd on a F11 x86_64 system ?

Thanks.

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F11 x86_64 and VMware 6.5.3

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
Has anyone got VMware 6.5.3 running on F11 x86_64 and if so, how did
you do it ?

Thanks !

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Re: F11: No boot menu

2009-09-14 Thread Steven Stern
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On 09/14/2009 06:41 PM, lanas wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
>   F11 is great.  So great that I've installed at work for daily use,
> replacing my F8 installation.  x86_64 at that.  
> 
>   Anyhow, I have F8 on /dev/sda6 and installed F11 on /dev/sda1.  After
> install and full update, there's no boot menu that allows choosing
> between F8 (which is still there on disk) and F11.
> 
>   A grub.conf file exists with two entries, one for the original F11
> 2.9.29 kernel, and one for the updated 2.9.30 kernel.  Even that is not
> shown at boot time.  I could add the F8 info to the file, although the
> ones already in there are not offered at boot time.
> 
>   Is there now a special key sequence to access the once familiar boot
> menu ?  If I install F11 on a computer that has Windows (although on a
> different partition) will it still be possible to dual-boot
> Windows/F11 ?
> 

Edit /etc/grub.conf and comment out the line "hiddenmenu" and set the
timeout value to something reasonable (like 10 or 15).

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Re: F11: No boot menu

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
Le Mardi, 15 Sep 2009 07:45:26 +0800,
Ed Greshko  a écrit :

> lanas wrote:
> >   Is there now a special key sequence to access the once familiar
> > boot menu ?  If I install F11 on a computer that has Windows
> > (although on a different partition) will it still be possible to
> > dual-boot Windows/F11 ?

> One thing you can do is change the line in the grub.conf to
> "timeout=5".  

That's probably it.  Thanks !


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Re: F11 and jackd

2009-09-14 Thread Andras Simon
On 9/15/09, lanas  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   Using yum I've installed jackd and qjackctl on an fully updated F11
> x86_64 system.  When using qjackctl to start jackd it reports that it
> cannot connect to alsa.  What would be the proper configuration to use
> jackd on a F11 x86_64 system ?

Maybe PulseAudio stands between jackd and alsa? I'm not sure if you
can have both (i.e. jackd and PA). If not, then the required
configuration for jackd is throwing out PA.

Andras

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Re: F11: x86_64: Different boot styles

2009-09-14 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:45:23 -0400
lanas wrote:

> What is the mechanism that lead to these two
> different approaches ?

That is different video driver support for the kernel "modesetting"
(whatever that is :-). I'll wager the machines have different
brand video cards.

Speaking of mode setting, is there any legitimate reason for
dragging stuff like that into the kernel? Isn't that normally
the sort of thing that gets moved out of the kernel?

Is it trying to prepare for the coming of BIOS free computers
or something? I've never really understood what there is to
gain from it.

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LyX too complex? ... Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice

2009-09-14 Thread Todd Denniston

Fernando Cassia wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM:

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Hiisi  wrote:

From: Fernando Cassia 
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Hiisi  wrote:

If you just want to create quality looking documents and you want it
easy try LyX. It's TeX based document processor

ROFL!! You could also tell him to use vi and type postscript by hand.

Someone is complaining that he finds OpenOffice "hard" to use and you
refer him to even more obscure applications that only math freaks
love...

FC



I'm not freak. I have a lot of complexes but not a complex of idiot.
...

...
However I am heavily against forcing users to adapt to complex
applications with user-hostile interfaces in the age of modern,
user-friendly apps like OpenOffice.

FC


I should probably let it go... And this does not even attempt to answer the OPs question of how to 
do the thing in OOo...
FC, what is your favorite Word Processing program? (some how I get the feeling that you have at 
least dabbled in other WPs than word a-likes, and I am curious.)
* LyX, Complex as compared to Word/OOo? As long as I am only changing the font size and color, 
Word/OOo MIGHT win.

* I am not a math person.
* I have given up on trying to write anything other than the big (32pt font) red "don't open this 
door on penalty of death." signs with word or open office, because I use lists quite often (ugh, I 
am even doing it here :) and doing lists in word/OOo is (to me) only a path to madness (especially 
nested lists).

* have you tried LyX (lately)?

LyX is not vi, and it is not an emacs front end to TeX. Knowledge of (La)Tex is not required for 
normal things. I think that for most things a person could get to creating usable documents by 
typing the text of one of their documents in and then learning what effects choosing other than 
'Standard' in the drop down box has on each line of their text. or take the easy route and read

Help -> Introduction
and
Help -> Tutorial
... Total of 47 pages if a person reads them all instead of just picking the 
bits of interest.
and if only chapter 2 (7 pages) of the Tutorial was read, the AVERAGE word processor user could 
probably accomplish most of the USEFUL things they do in the average word processor fairly quickly.
Granted I also believe the _average_ word processor user does not read any manual unless some one 
makes them, and I did not read much of the LyX docs until I wanted to do some less than normal things.




BTW thanks to Rex we can `yum install lyx` and have a taste quickly.

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Re: F11 x86_64 and VMware 6.5.3

2009-09-14 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 19:49 -0400, lanas wrote: 
> Has anyone got VMware 6.5.3 running on F11 x86_64 and if so, how did
> you do it ?

http://communities.vmware.com/thread/227575;jsessionid=EFCE55D043D7CF81DEF71EC2730236BB?start=0&tstart=0


> 
> Thanks !
> 
> 
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Bash: How to extract an executable from within?

2009-09-14 Thread Daniel B. Thurman

I noticed that some (older?) shell-scripts have
self-extracting executables built in and extracting
was done done by using a tail +N $0 where N is the
line number where the executable line is located to
the end of the file. Unfortunately, Fedora's tail program
does not support the +N option.

I am looking for an alternative.

I tried to wrap the executable with a function such as:

outname=selfextractExe.$$

function unWrapExe() {
cat <<'EOF'

EOF
}

# Do pre-shell stuff

unWrapExe > $outname
./outname

# Do post-shell stuff

The problem as I see it, is somehow cat blows
up when certain characters appear in the input
stream and the output executable file becomes
corrupted cannot be executed.  I have tried
echo and I cannot think of another program to
try.

So, how does one go about fixing these sort of
problems nowadays?

Thanks!
Dan

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Re: Bash: How to extract an executable from within?

2009-09-14 Thread inode0
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Daniel B. Thurman  wrote:
>
> I noticed that some (older?) shell-scripts have
> self-extracting executables built in and extracting
> was done done by using a tail +N $0 where N is the
> line number where the executable line is located to
> the end of the file. Unfortunately, Fedora's tail program
> does not support the +N option.

tail -n +40 should begin the tail at line 40 for example.

> I am looking for an alternative.
>
> I tried to wrap the executable with a function such as:
>
> outname=selfextractExe.$$
>
> function unWrapExe() {
> cat <<'EOF'
> 
> EOF
> }
>
> # Do pre-shell stuff
>
> unWrapExe > $outname
> ./outname
>
> # Do post-shell stuff
>
> The problem as I see it, is somehow cat blows
> up when certain characters appear in the input
> stream and the output executable file becomes
> corrupted cannot be executed.  I have tried
> echo and I cannot think of another program to
> try.
>
> So, how does one go about fixing these sort of
> problems nowadays?

You might take a look at shar for packing executables in shell scripts.

John

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Re: F11 and jackd

2009-09-14 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Andras Simon wrote:
> On 9/15/09, lanas  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>   Using yum I've installed jackd and qjackctl on an fully updated F11
>> x86_64 system.  When using qjackctl to start jackd it reports that it
>> cannot connect to alsa.  What would be the proper configuration to use
>> jackd on a F11 x86_64 system ?
> 
> Maybe PulseAudio stands between jackd and alsa? I'm not sure if you
> can have both (i.e. jackd and PA). If not, then the required
> configuration for jackd is throwing out PA.
> 
> Andras
> 
There is a plug in, I believe for jackd, that lets it work with PA.
I don't remember then name, but you can search for it. Try doing a
search for pulse or jack in yumex.

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Re: F11: x86_64: Different boot styles

2009-09-14 Thread g
Tom Horsley wrote:

> Is it trying to prepare for the coming of BIOS free computers
> or something? I've never really understood what there is to
> gain from it.

to make fedora look more like msbsos at boot. kde 4 is to make
x-windows look more like msbs vista.

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Re: Bash: How to extract an executable from within?

2009-09-14 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/14/2009 06:01 PM, inode0 wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Daniel B. Thurman  wrote:
>   
>> I noticed that some (older?) shell-scripts have
>> self-extracting executables built in and extracting
>> was done done by using a tail +N $0 where N is the
>> line number where the executable line is located to
>> the end of the file. Unfortunately, Fedora's tail program
>> does not support the +N option.
>> 
> tail -n +40 should begin the tail at line 40 for example.
>
>   
>> I am looking for an alternative.
>>
>> I tried to wrap the executable with a function such as:
>>
>> outname=selfextractExe.$$
>>
>> function unWrapExe() {
>> cat <<'EOF'
>> 
>> EOF
>> }
>>
>> # Do pre-shell stuff
>>
>> unWrapExe > $outname
>> ./outname
>>
>> # Do post-shell stuff
>>
>> The problem as I see it, is somehow cat blows
>> up when certain characters appear in the input
>> stream and the output executable file becomes
>> corrupted cannot be executed.  I have tried
>> echo and I cannot think of another program to
>> try.
>>
>> So, how does one go about fixing these sort of
>> problems nowadays?
>> 
> You might take a look at shar for packing executables in shell scripts.
>
> John
>
>   
OH!  So solving the main tail problem is by adding
the -n argument!  That works!

Thanks!
Dan

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Re: F11: x86_64: Different boot styles

2009-09-14 Thread Mikkel
lanas wrote:
> I've installed F11 x86_64 on two 64-bits machines from the very same
> DVD and the two machines boot in a different manner:
> 
> 1st : by showing a blue/white horizontal bar at the bottow of the
> screen.  This boot method seems slow.
> 
> 2nd: by showing a slanted 'teardrop' in the middle of the screen that
> quickly shows the Fedora logo.  This boot method is faster.
> 
> Why are there two different ways of booting on two x86_64 machines from
> the very same DVD ?  What is the mechanism that lead to these two
> different approaches ?
> 
> 
You can add vga=ask to the kernel line in your grub.conf. You can
then get it to display supported video modes, and try different
modes. When you get it looking the way you want, replace ask with
the mode you want. I believe you have to prefix the value with 0x,
(vga=0x31a) or convert the value to decimal.

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Re: F11 and jackd

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 20:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Andras Simon wrote:
> > On 9/15/09, lanas  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>   Using yum I've installed jackd and qjackctl on an fully updated F11
> >> x86_64 system.  When using qjackctl to start jackd it reports that it
> >> cannot connect to alsa.  What would be the proper configuration to use
> >> jackd on a F11 x86_64 system ?
> > 
> > Maybe PulseAudio stands between jackd and alsa? I'm not sure if you
> > can have both (i.e. jackd and PA). If not, then the required
> > configuration for jackd is throwing out PA.
> > 
> > Andras
> > 
> There is a plug in, I believe for jackd, that lets it work with PA.
> I don't remember then name, but you can search for it. Try doing a
> search for pulse or jack in yumex.

There is such a module, namely:
pulseaudio-module-jack

I've been running jackd successfully along with pulseaudio, though with
some xrun problems.  In order to avoid xruns, jackd needs a whole lot of
frames and periods, namely:
4096 frames, 4 periods
341 msec latency
and a kernel rebuilt to be preemtable.

But now jackd seems to be running OK.

jon



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Re: discovering network printers on F11

2009-09-14 Thread Richard England

On 09/14/2009 03:35 PM, Globe Trotter wrote:


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Stefano  wrote:

   

From: Stefano
Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:46 PM
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700
(PDT)
Globe Trotter
wrote:

 

Hi,

I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I
   

fire up system-config-printer and ask for this to be
searched but nothing is found. However,
system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the
printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is
not set right on F11, and how do I fix it?

Hi

Tray to enable client ipp, for network print, in Firewall
(see in System Administration).

Bye
Ste
 

Hi,

Thanks very much! I enabled this (as well as the ipp server) but it had no 
effect: clicking on the search for network printers and got nothing. My 
/var/log messages reported the following lines:

hp: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1
python: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1

Any suggestions?

Best,
T
   


Are the printers truly network printers or are they printers attached to 
other systems (and what are these systems if they exist)?


If the other printers are on Windows, have you tried enabling samba 
ports on the firewall?


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Re: Yumex: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora

2009-09-14 Thread Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji
Thank you very much.

Meanwhile, what I did was to copy the base URL and paste it in to the
browser address bar. Tried to open each URL, removing last tag if not found.
This way, it put me to the nearest URL (IITK, India). And then selected F10,
i386/686, and thus got the new URL, which I pasted in the repo files. It
seems to be working.

Regards,
Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji, BE IT, India


2009/9/15 Jim 

> On 09/14/2009 03:23 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
>
>> Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This is the result:
>>> ###
>>> [r...@jjj ~]# yum -d 10 whatever
>>> Loading "aliases" plugin
>>> Loading "allowdowngrade" plugin
>>> Loading "auto-update-debuginfo" plugin
>>> Loading "basearchonly" plugin
>>> Loading "blacklist" plugin
>>> Loading "changelog" plugin
>>> Loading "downloadonly" plugin
>>> Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
>>> Loading "fedorakmod" plugin
>>> Loading "filter-data" plugin
>>> Loading "kernel-module" plugin
>>> Loading "keys" plugin
>>> Loading "list-data" plugin
>>> Loading "merge-conf" plugin
>>> Loading "post-transaction-actions" plugin
>>> Loading "presto" plugin
>>> Loading "priorities" plugin
>>> Loading "protect-packages" plugin
>>> Loading "protectbase" plugin
>>> Loading "refresh-packagekit" plugin
>>> Loading "refresh-updatesd" plugin
>>> Loading "remove-with-leaves" plugin
>>> Loading "rpm-warm-cache" plugin
>>> Loading "security" plugin
>>> Loading "show-leaves" plugin
>>> Not loading "tmprepo" plugin, as it is disabled
>>> Loading "tsflags" plugin
>>> Loading "upgrade-helper" plugin
>>> Loading "verify" plugin
>>> Loading "versionlock" plugin
>>> Loading "whiteout" plugin
>>>
>>>
>> That’s a *lot* of plugins. Do you really need them all?
>>
>> Does something like
>> yum --disableplugin=\* update
>> help? If so, then you probably have conflicts between some of those
>> plugins, and should investigate.
>>
>> If you can determine *which* plugins conflict, please report it on
>> Bugzilla.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> James.
>>
>>
> I had this problem and it was related to a DNS problem in FC10, FC11, FC12.
> Have you had any other problems where it can't find a URL ?
> I filed a Bug report 552588,  Or sometimes in Firefox can't find
> rpmfusion.org.
> Hopefully this problem will be fixed.
>
> I attached a file on how I got around it.
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Re: Bash: How to extract an executable from within?

2009-09-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 17:48 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> outname=selfextractExe.$$
> 
> function unWrapExe() {
> cat <<'EOF'
> 
> EOF
> }
> 
> # Do pre-shell stuff
> 
> unWrapExe > $outname
> ./outname

A few comments on this (I realize it's only a sketch of the code):

1) Why declare a function if it has no argument? Just put the code
inline.
2) You need to make the output file executable ("chmod ...")
3) The executable isn't ./outname, it's $outname

poc

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Re: F11 and jackd

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
Le Lundi, 14 Sep 2009 18:25:02 -0700,
Jonathan Ryshpan  a écrit :

> I've been running jackd successfully along with pulseaudio, though
> with some xrun problems.  In order to avoid xruns, jackd needs a
> whole lot of frames and periods, namely:
>   4096 frames, 4 periods
>   341 msec latency
> and a kernel rebuilt to be preemtable.
> 
> But now jackd seems to be running OK.

Is there any updated HOWTO out there that describes the required steps
to modify a Fedora 11 kernel configuration (perhaps for the prempt
patch and such) and recompiling it ?


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Re: How Fedora chose me

2009-09-14 Thread Robin Price II
Thanks for the great read.  Hope you enjoy Fedora!

:)

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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:52 PM,  wrote:

> I just saw that the "Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch" has
> been continuing as some learned Fedora vs Ubuntu debate. Since I deleted
> those messages, I have to start a new thread.
>
> Countrary to most people here, I'm not very tech savvy. All I want is my
> distro to work. I have a certain age, my health is, to say the least, less
> than optimal and, to me, the less trouble, the better.
>
> I tried (K)Ubuntu and Debian about 2 years ago before adopting Mandriva
> and, with both distros, after spending 15 minutes listening to streaming
> audio with Amarok, I found that, on the next reboot, both my user and root
> passwords were changed. Not being very much into security auditing, I
> opted for Mandriva because, at the time, SELinux still seemed to cause
> issues with Fedora.
>
> Mandriva fared well except, at the end, it would take about 5 minutes to
> boot. Glitch or hack, I have no idea, but I put up with this for maybe two
> months because, the Mandriva community being less learned than the Fedora
> community, I didn't feel like inquiring about this very uncommon matter.
>
>
> As Fedora 11 came out, I bought a new computer. SELinux issues seemed to
> have been ironed out and I also soon found out that it was the only distro
> that would install with a correct 1280 x 1024 screen definition. Mandriva,
> for instance, never could get me to a login screen. Suse, which I would
> never have been caught dead using, gave me a 800 x 600 screen and, as far
> as I remember, it was the best of the bunch. There was a time when I
> fiddled in xf86config, but not anymore...
>
> So, Fedora chose me more than I chose Fedora. I was afraid that, Fedora
> having a bleeding edge reputation, some applications would prove unstable,
> but it wasn't the case.
>
> The only serious problem I had with Fedora is a kmod-nvidia package from
> testing was installed while I had never enabled testing. How this
> happened, I have no idea.
>
> Of course. I've read that deb packaging being more elaborate than rpm,
> upgrades are easier. I'll see. I hope it's not too complicated 'cause, for
> the time being, I'm in bed 12 hours a day and, on big days, I wash the
> dishes.
>
> I know geeks like Fedora, but I hope it keeps working for me too. Though
> Fedora 11 worked right out of the box two weeks after release, now that I
> have it installed on my computer, I might wait a month or two before I
> adopt the new version of Fedora. I just don't want to take chances.
>
> >From what I read along the last years, it seems that integrating SELinux
> seemlessly into Fedora has been a painstaking experiment. So much so that
> only Red Hat/Fedora went for this venture straight on without
> shilly-shallying. Even Suse has pretty much given up on AppArmor
> development, whose implementation was easier than SELinux.
>
> People here talk a lot about package management. As the security of the
> net is not improving and Linux market share will hopefully be increasing,
> I wonder if Red Hat's investments in security will not be what will
> finally pay off.
>
> I'm as far from a geek as anybody can be, but I certainly appreciate that
> Fedora chose me.
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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread Deron Meranda
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Kam Leo  wrote:
> Have you tried installing with vga=vesa?  If I recall correctly you
> need to press TAB and append that to grub.

Nope, booting with vga=vesa does not work either.  It still
reverts to text mode after X fails to start.


I am using the VNC boot option that G.Wolfe recommended, and that does
appear to work so far (I'm in the middle of the upgrade now).

It's documented in section 9.2 of the Fedora 11 Installation guide



I'd still be interested to know how one could go about installing
if I didn't happen to have another computer nearby to use.  And
if what I encountered is a known issue, that perhaps will be solved
for F12.  (Or if I can help collect information for the developers
responsible for this area).

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yumex ?

2009-09-14 Thread lanas
I'm used with kyum up to now.  Since it has disappeared from recent
the F11 to which I'm upgrading from F8, I started to become familiar
with the command-line yum.  How then, is yumex when compared with
kyum ?  Do they have the same search functionalities for instance ?

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Re: How Fedora chose me

2009-09-14 Thread Roger


I'm as far from a geek as anybody can be, but I certainly appreciate that
Fedora chose me.

   

Using Fedora I've never looked back, it just works.
Do the updates as soon as they come in and it should be fine, it is for me.
Yum is the update manager, it works.

If you're worried about security and not using the computer for some 
time, at night or if you go out,  turn off the modem.
About the only slow thing I found is Gimp when it has a lot of brushes 
to find.

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Re: Can't upgrade f10 to f11: X startup failed, detected GPU lockup

2009-09-14 Thread Deron Meranda
Just an update.. I finally got updated from F10 to F11 by using
the remote VNC boot option.

Interestingly though, immediately after the update I was able
to boot the system all the way up to run level 5, and X
works great.  This is before any yum updates ... just using
what was on the F11 DVD, apparently.

So, is it the case that the X11 drivers on the F11 DVD are
capable of working; but yet the anaconda installer can't?
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Re: F11 x86_64 and VMware 6.5.3

2009-09-14 Thread Emmett Culley

As root:

Install the RPM

Then before accepting the license, rename /etc/vmware/database to something 
else.

Then answer yes to license the prompt.

When complete, restore the /etc/vmware/database file.

Then run vmware-modconfig --console --install-all

On 09/14/2009 04:49 PM, lanas wrote:

Has anyone got VMware 6.5.3 running on F11 x86_64 and if so, how did
you do it ?

Thanks !



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Re: F11: two broken programs: Mirrormanager & Netdisco

2009-09-14 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 10:44:47AM -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> 
> Encountered a couple of bugs:
> 
> + mirrormanager prevents httpd from starting

True.  MirrorManager consists of a couple WSGI applications, which are
useless without a configuration and database set up to back them.
I'll take that as something to look into fixing in MM - perhaps
requiring an "enabled" bit to be set somewhere or somesuch.

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Re: unable to connect bluetooth devices in FC11

2009-09-14 Thread Robert Nichols

Jatin K wrote:
I'm using FC 11 since last 6 months ... my problem is, I'm not able to 
connect any bluetooth devices e.g. bt headphone or mobile phones. when I 
connect my usb bluetooth adopter in usb port of my laptop , bluetooth 
applet loads in panel but when I try to pair new device it doesn't find 
any devices ( in FC 10 it was working fine )


I'm seeing a similar problem with my bluetooth mouse.  In my case the
wizard see the mouse just fine and reports success when I tell it to
connect.  The mouse now appears as known device in the preferences
dialog, but the mouse itself remains in discovery mode.  In
/var/log/messages I see, "connection refused (111)".

I can set up the mouse just fine by running "hidd --server --search"
as root, and that association survives reboot.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523357  opened.

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Re: Yumex: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora

2009-09-14 Thread Suvayu Ali

On Monday 14 September 2009 06:42 PM, Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:

Meanwhile, what I did was to copy the base URL and paste it in to the
browser address bar. Tried to open each URL, removing last tag if not found.
This way, it put me to the nearest URL (IITK, India). And then selected F10,
i386/686, and thus got the new URL, which I pasted in the repo files. It
seems to be working.


Or you could have just looked here, :-p
http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/

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Re: Bash: How to extract an executable from within?

2009-09-14 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/14/2009 06:46 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 17:48 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
>   
>> outname=selfextractExe.$$
>>
>> function unWrapExe() {
>> cat <<'EOF'
>> 
>> EOF
>> }
>>
>> # Do pre-shell stuff
>>
>> unWrapExe > $outname
>> ./outname
>> 
> A few comments on this (I realize it's only a sketch of the code):
>
> 1) Why declare a function if it has no argument? Just put the code
> inline.
> 2) You need to make the output file executable ("chmod ...")
> 3) The executable isn't ./outname, it's $outname
>
> poc
>   
Yeah, I messed up for sure but as you said,
I was conveying the idea.

Still - I wondered why cat/echo would not work
under such a scenario when there is ELF code
involved.  I attempted to look at 'printf' but
could not figure it out.

How would you do it, really?

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Re: F11 and jackd

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 22:07 -0400, lanas wrote:
> Le Lundi, 14 Sep 2009 18:25:02 -0700,
> Jonathan Ryshpan  a écrit :
> 
> > I've been running jackd successfully along with pulseaudio, though
> > with some xrun problems.  In order to avoid xruns, jackd needs a
> > whole lot of frames and periods, namely:
> > 4096 frames, 4 periods
> > 341 msec latency
> > and a kernel rebuilt to be preemtable.
> > 
> > But now jackd seems to be running OK.
> 
> Is there any updated HOWTO out there that describes the required steps
> to modify a Fedora 11 kernel configuration (perhaps for the prempt
> patch and such) and recompiling it ?

Rahul recommends:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel
I've found it pretty useful.  


But the easiest way to identify the kernel version is to put this line
into ~/.rpmmacros:
%dist .fc11.
in your case
%dist .fc11.lanas
and to ignore the stuff about editing
#% define buildid .local
This will identify anything you build, kernel or otherwise, as
.fcll.lanas.
rather than
.fcll.

All the best - jon



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