Re: iptables on FC11

2009-10-14 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:21 +0200, paul van der meij wrote:
> I was misled by an internet suggestion that nmap was a good tool to
> check iptables configuration, but that is not true.

Depends on how you're using it...  It's commonly used on one computer to
probe another computer.  If you try to run it on the same machine that
you want to probe, that might give you some peculiar results.

> iptables -L gives the correct information

nmap tells you what it finds, iptables -L tells you how it's configured.
It's easy enough to have conflicting iptables rules, or additional rules
that modify prior ones.

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Re: Testing Device Failure

2009-10-14 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:12 +0100, Dan Track wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Dan Track  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've got two SAS links to my San, I want to test failure/recovery by
> > eleminating and device node. The easiest way is to manually unplug a
> > controller link and see what happens. I'd like to know how I can do it
> > via Linux, and then re-enable the device node? I have two device nodes
> > /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan
> >
> 
> Hi
> 
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this.
> 
> Thanks
> Dan
> 

If you're using device-mapper to combine the two paths into a single
multipath device you should see a change in the output of the multipath
-l/-ll commands when you unplug the cable (and if the unplugged path was
the path that was previously carrying I/O there'll also be a change of
path groups and I/O should begin flowing over the second path).

As long as you have multipathd running the failed path should be
re-added to the multipath map when it returns and depending on the
failback settings in use will trigger another path group switch.

Regards,
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Re: Testing Device Failure

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Bryn M. Reeves  wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:12 +0100, Dan Track wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Dan Track  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've got two SAS links to my San, I want to test failure/recovery by
>> > eleminating and device node. The easiest way is to manually unplug a
>> > controller link and see what happens. I'd like to know how I can do it
>> > via Linux, and then re-enable the device node? I have two device nodes
>> > /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Dan
>> >
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Does anyone have any thoughts on this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan
>>
>
> If you're using device-mapper to combine the two paths into a single
> multipath device you should see a change in the output of the multipath
> -l/-ll commands when you unplug the cable (and if the unplugged path was
> the path that was previously carrying I/O there'll also be a change of
> path groups and I/O should begin flowing over the second path).
>
> As long as you have multipathd running the failed path should be
> re-added to the multipath map when it returns and depending on the
> failback settings in use will trigger another path group switch.
>
> Regards,
> Bryn.
>
>
Thanks for that Bryn. I'll do just that.

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How to mount cdrom?

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
Hi,

I've just used HP's virtual media to mount a cdrom and see the
following in /var/log/messages:

Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2: new full speed USB device
using uhci_hcd and address 3
Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen
from 1 choice
Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found
Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: hub 6-2:1.0: 7 ports detected
Oct 14 12:03:40 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2.2: new full speed USB
device using uhci_hcd and address 4
Oct 14 12:03:40 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2.2: configuration #1 chosen
from 1 choice
Oct 14 12:03:40 new-onetick kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB
Mass Storage devices
Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel:   Vendor: HPModel: Virtual
DVD-ROM   Rev:  0.0
Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM
  ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi
generic sg4 type 5
Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 12x/12x cd/rw tray


Can someone please tell me how I can mount this?

Thanks
Dan

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Re: How to mount cdrom?

2009-10-14 Thread Chris Tyler
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:07 +0100, Dan Track wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've just used HP's virtual media to mount a cdrom and see the
> following in /var/log/messages:
> 
> Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2: new full speed USB device
> using uhci_hcd and address 3
> Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen
> from 1 choice
> Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: hub 6-2:1.0: USB hub found
> Oct 14 12:03:39 new-onetick kernel: hub 6-2:1.0: 7 ports detected
> Oct 14 12:03:40 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2.2: new full speed USB
> device using uhci_hcd and address 4
> Oct 14 12:03:40 new-onetick kernel: usb 6-2.2: configuration #1 chosen
> from 1 choice
> Oct 14 12:03:40 new-onetick kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB
> Mass Storage devices
> Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel:   Vendor: HPModel: Virtual
> DVD-ROM   Rev:  0.0
> Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel:   Type:   CD-ROM
>   ANSI SCSI revision: 00
> Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel: scsi 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi
> generic sg4 type 5
> Oct 14 12:03:45 new-onetick kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 12x/12x cd/rw tray
> 
> 
> Can someone please tell me how I can mount this?
> 
> Thanks
> Dan

The vital bit of info is the "sr0" in the last line.

   mount -o ro /dev/sr0 /media/whatever

-Chris

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Re: comparison of gnote to tomboy is confusing.

2009-10-14 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 07:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: 
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:00 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: 
> >   
> >> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Someone recently mentioned gnote as a substitute for tomboy. So I
> >>> installed it. The two programs have essentially identical man pages. If
> >>> you add gnote to your panel you get the same icon as tomboy. Executing
> >>> both of then you get the same display. But looking at the program in
> >>> the /usr/bin directory gnote is much larger. I looked at the script for
> >>> tomboy and gnote is  not mentioned. But tomboy appears throughout the
> >>> binary gnote.
> >>>
> >>> So, what is the scoop about these two programs?
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>   
> >> If you do a "yum info" on both of these you'll get your answer.
> >>
> >> 
> > I don't.. Running pinfo on both program names produces the same manual
> > pages with the only difference is the name of the command and where you
> > post bugs.
> > If you see other important information tell me what it is.
> >
> >   
> Please re-read what I wrote  Did I write "pinfo"?   No, I wrote "yum
> info".
When you are right you are right. Something went wrong in that I ran yum
info but did not get what you got. Now I do. I don't know what went
wrong. 
> 
> So, let me do it for you
> 
> [r...@f11 ~]# yum info tomboy
> Installed Packages
> Name   : tomboy
> Arch   : i586
> Version: 0.14.3
> Release: 1.fc11
> Size   : 9.8 M
> Repo   : installed
> Summary: Note-taking application
> URL: http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/
> License: LGPLv2+ and GPLv2+ and MIT
> Description: Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application which is simple
> and easy
>: to use. It lets you organise your notes intelligently by
> allowing you
>: to easily link ideas together with Wiki style interconnects.
> 
> [r...@f11 ~]# yum info gnote
> Available Packages
> Name   : gnote
> Arch   : i586
> Version: 0.5.3
> Release: 1.fc11
> Size   : 1.6 M
> Repo   : updates
> Summary: Note-taking application
> URL: http://live.gnome.org/Gnote
> License: GPLv3+
> Description: Gnote is a desktop note-taking application which is simple
> and easy to
>: use. It lets you organize your notes intelligently by
> allowing you to
>: easily link ideas together with Wiki style interconnects.
> It is a port
>: of Tomboy to C++ and consumes fewer resources.
> 
> Nowread the "Description" from the above output
> 
> The main thing I believe you want to know is that "(gnote)...is a port
> of Tomboy to C++ and consumes fewer resources.
> 
> OKIs that helpful?
> 
> You can even visit http://live.gnome.org/Gnote and
> http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/
> 
> On http://live.gnome.org/Gnote you would see..
> 
> "Gnote is a port of Tomboy to C++.
> 
> It is the same note taking application, including most of the add-ins
> (more are to come). Synchronization support is being worked on."
> 
> OK?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: comparison of gnote to tomboy is confusing.

2009-10-14 Thread Ed Greshko
Aaron Konstam wrote:
>
> When you are right you are right. Something went wrong in that I ran yum
> info but did not get what you got. Now I do. I don't know what went
> wrong. 
>   
That usually happens to me after my 8th or 9th Gin Tonic  I never
know why something didn't work but the next day everything is as it
should be

Glad to hear you've gotten the answer you've been seeking





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How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
Hi,

I'd like to know the parameters of an ext3 filesystem i.e what
blocksize was used, inodes etc... Can someone please show me a command
I can use to find this information.

Thanks
Dan

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How to find driver usage.

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
Hi,

I've got two disks /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. I'd like to reload the
driver that they are using. How can I find out what driver is being
used by them?

Thanks
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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dan Track  said:
> I'd like to know the parameters of an ext3 filesystem i.e what
> blocksize was used, inodes etc... Can someone please show me a command
> I can use to find this information.

As root, "tune2fs -l ", where "" is the block device
that contains the filesystem (e.g. /dev/sda2, /dev/vg0/lv0, etc.).
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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
> Once upon a time, Dan Track  said:
>> I'd like to know the parameters of an ext3 filesystem i.e what
>> blocksize was used, inodes etc... Can someone please show me a command
>> I can use to find this information.
>
> As root, "tune2fs -l ", where "" is the block device
> that contains the filesystem (e.g. /dev/sda2, /dev/vg0/lv0, etc.).
> --
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> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
> I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
>

Great thanks. Can I ask one more question. I'm trying to put all the
information in the following website:
http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html

and it is asking me for the following: "number of filesystem blocks (in KiB)"

What value should I put given the output from tune2fs below:

tune2fs -l /dev/VolGrp00/LogVol01
tune2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006)
Filesystem volume name:   
Last mounted on:  
Filesystem UUID:  ec03dcbc-2829-4a22-a43f-52dbf1bb5af8
Filesystem magic number:  0xEF53
Filesystem revision #:1 (dynamic)
Filesystem features:  has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype
needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
Default mount options:(none)
Filesystem state: clean
Errors behavior:  Continue
Filesystem OS type:   Linux
Inode count:  1220935680
Block count:  2441864192
Reserved block count: 122093209
Free blocks:  2403359240
Free inodes:  1220931839
First block:  0
Block size:   4096
Fragment size:4096
Reserved GDT blocks:  441
Blocks per group: 32768
Fragments per group:  32768
Inodes per group: 16384
Inode blocks per group:   512
Filesystem created:   Tue Oct 13 18:51:33 2009
Last mount time:  Wed Oct 14 15:32:47 2009
Last write time:  Wed Oct 14 15:32:47 2009
Mount count:  5
Maximum mount count:  29
Last checked: Tue Oct 13 18:51:33 2009
Check interval:   15552000 (6 months)
Next check after: Sun Apr 11 18:51:33 2010
Reserved blocks uid:  0 (user root)
Reserved blocks gid:  0 (group root)
First inode:  11
Inode size:   128
Journal inode:8
Default directory hash:   tea
Directory Hash Seed:  72b9b9fe-57dd-433a-815c-de332420a0c5
Journal backup:   inode blocks

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Re: How to find driver usage.

2009-10-14 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:52 +0100, Dan Track wrote:
> I've got two disks /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. I'd like to reload the
> driver that they are using. How can I find out what driver is being
> used by them?

The sysfs file system (normally mounted at /sys) is your friend, e.g:

$ ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-10-14 16:16 /sys/block/sda/device/driver
-> ../../../../../../bus/scsi/drivers/sd

But this just tells us that it's being driven by the SCSI disk driver
(sd) which is kinda obvious.

A lot more information is hidden away here however - you can use tools
like udevinfo or systool to trawl the file system and output the
information in a more readable format.

To get all attributes for sda:

$ udevinfo -ap /block/sda

http://pastebin.com/m1fb2047d

To get device attributes for all scsi disks on the system:

$ systool -c scsi_disk -v

http://pastebin.com/m263ebacc

Regards,
Bryn.


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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Ed Greshko
Dan Track wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
>   
>> Once upon a time, Dan Track  said:
>> 
>>> I'd like to know the parameters of an ext3 filesystem i.e what
>>> blocksize was used, inodes etc... Can someone please show me a command
>>> I can use to find this information.
>>>   
>> As root, "tune2fs -l ", where "" is the block device
>> that contains the filesystem (e.g. /dev/sda2, /dev/vg0/lv0, etc.).
>> --
>> Chris Adams 
>> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
>> I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
>>
>> 
>
> Great thanks. Can I ask one more question. I'm trying to put all the
> information in the following website:
> http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html
>
> and it is asking me for the following: "number of filesystem blocks (in KiB)"
>   
How does this question relate to Fedora? 

Isn't this something related to busybox that maybe you should be asking
about to that community?
> What value should I put given the output from tune2fs below:
>
> tune2fs -l /dev/VolGrp00/LogVol01
> tune2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006)
> Filesystem volume name:   
> Last mounted on:  
> Filesystem UUID:  ec03dcbc-2829-4a22-a43f-52dbf1bb5af8
> Filesystem magic number:  0xEF53
> Filesystem revision #:1 (dynamic)
> Filesystem features:  has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype
> needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
> Default mount options:(none)
> Filesystem state: clean
> Errors behavior:  Continue
> Filesystem OS type:   Linux
> Inode count:  1220935680
> Block count:  2441864192
> Reserved block count: 122093209
> Free blocks:  2403359240
> Free inodes:  1220931839
> First block:  0
> Block size:   4096
> Fragment size:4096
> Reserved GDT blocks:  441
> Blocks per group: 32768
> Fragments per group:  32768
> Inodes per group: 16384
> Inode blocks per group:   512
> Filesystem created:   Tue Oct 13 18:51:33 2009
> Last mount time:  Wed Oct 14 15:32:47 2009
> Last write time:  Wed Oct 14 15:32:47 2009
> Mount count:  5
> Maximum mount count:  29
> Last checked: Tue Oct 13 18:51:33 2009
> Check interval:   15552000 (6 months)
> Next check after: Sun Apr 11 18:51:33 2010
> Reserved blocks uid:  0 (user root)
> Reserved blocks gid:  0 (group root)
> First inode:  11
> Inode size:   128
> Journal inode:8
> Default directory hash:   tea
> Directory Hash Seed:  72b9b9fe-57dd-433a-815c-de332420a0c5
> Journal backup:   inode blocks
>
> Thanks
> Dan
>
>   


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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> Dan Track wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
>>
>>> Once upon a time, Dan Track  said:
>>>
 I'd like to know the parameters of an ext3 filesystem i.e what
 blocksize was used, inodes etc... Can someone please show me a command
 I can use to find this information.

>>> As root, "tune2fs -l ", where "" is the block device
>>> that contains the filesystem (e.g. /dev/sda2, /dev/vg0/lv0, etc.).
>>> --
>>> Chris Adams 
>>> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
>>> I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Great thanks. Can I ask one more question. I'm trying to put all the
>> information in the following website:
>> http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html
>>
>> and it is asking me for the following: "number of filesystem blocks (in KiB)"
>>
> How does this question relate to Fedora?
>
> Isn't this something related to busybox that maybe you should be asking
> about to that community?
>> What value should I put given the output from tune2fs below:
>>
>> tune2fs -l /dev/VolGrp00/LogVol01
>> tune2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006)
>> Filesystem volume name:   
>> Last mounted on:          
>> Filesystem UUID:          ec03dcbc-2829-4a22-a43f-52dbf1bb5af8
>> Filesystem magic number:  0xEF53
>> Filesystem revision #:    1 (dynamic)
>> Filesystem features:      has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype
>> needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
>> Default mount options:    (none)
>> Filesystem state:         clean
>> Errors behavior:          Continue
>> Filesystem OS type:       Linux
>> Inode count:              1220935680
>> Block count:              2441864192
>> Reserved block count:     122093209
>> Free blocks:              2403359240
>> Free inodes:              1220931839
>> First block:              0
>> Block size:               4096
>> Fragment size:            4096
>> Reserved GDT blocks:      441
>> Blocks per group:         32768
>> Fragments per group:      32768
>> Inodes per group:         16384
>> Inode blocks per group:   512
>> Filesystem created:       Tue Oct 13 18:51:33 2009
>> Last mount time:          Wed Oct 14 15:32:47 2009
>> Last write time:          Wed Oct 14 15:32:47 2009
>> Mount count:              5
>> Maximum mount count:      29
>> Last checked:             Tue Oct 13 18:51:33 2009
>> Check interval:           15552000 (6 months)
>> Next check after:         Sun Apr 11 18:51:33 2010
>> Reserved blocks uid:      0 (user root)
>> Reserved blocks gid:      0 (group root)
>> First inode:              11
>> Inode size:               128
>> Journal inode:            8
>> Default directory hash:   tea
>> Directory Hash Seed:      72b9b9fe-57dd-433a-815c-de332420a0c5
>> Journal backup:           inode blocks
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan
>>
Fair point. I thought they might be universal terms that guys here
might know what they correlate to in the tune2fs output. I'll keep
quiet on this as it seems to be a sensitive point.

Dan

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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 23:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Dan Track wrote:
> > Great thanks. Can I ask one more question. I'm trying to put all the
> > information in the following website:
> > http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html
> >
> > and it is asking me for the following: "number of filesystem blocks (in 
> > KiB)"
> >   
> How does this question relate to Fedora? 
> 
> Isn't this something related to busybox that maybe you should be asking
> about to that community?

It's nothing to do with busybox (despite the hostname). If anything a
better place for the question would be the ext3-users[1] or
linux-raid[2] mailing lists (as it's a question about optimising ext3
for use on Linux software RAID devices).

A bit of searching around will probably find a few related discussions
in the past also.

Regards,
Bryn.

[1] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ext3-users
[2] http://linux-raid.osdl.org/index.php/Linux_Raid


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Re: How to find driver usage.

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Bryn M. Reeves  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:52 +0100, Dan Track wrote:
>> I've got two disks /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. I'd like to reload the
>> driver that they are using. How can I find out what driver is being
>> used by them?
>
> The sysfs file system (normally mounted at /sys) is your friend, e.g:
>
> $ ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-10-14 16:16 /sys/block/sda/device/driver
> -> ../../../../../../bus/scsi/drivers/sd
>
> But this just tells us that it's being driven by the SCSI disk driver
> (sd) which is kinda obvious.
>
> A lot more information is hidden away here however - you can use tools
> like udevinfo or systool to trawl the file system and output the
> information in a more readable format.
>
> To get all attributes for sda:
>
> $ udevinfo -ap /block/sda
>
> http://pastebin.com/m1fb2047d
>
> To get device attributes for all scsi disks on the system:
>
> $ systool -c scsi_disk -v
>
> http://pastebin.com/m263ebacc
>
> Regards,
> Bryn.
>

Hi Bryn,

Many thanks for this. Lot's to learn.

Thanks
Dan

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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Track
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bryn M. Reeves  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 23:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Dan Track wrote:
>> > Great thanks. Can I ask one more question. I'm trying to put all the
>> > information in the following website:
>> > http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html
>> >
>> > and it is asking me for the following: "number of filesystem blocks (in 
>> > KiB)"
>> >
>> How does this question relate to Fedora?
>>
>> Isn't this something related to busybox that maybe you should be asking
>> about to that community?
>
> It's nothing to do with busybox (despite the hostname). If anything a
> better place for the question would be the ext3-users[1] or
> linux-raid[2] mailing lists (as it's a question about optimising ext3
> for use on Linux software RAID devices).
>
> A bit of searching around will probably find a few related discussions
> in the past also.
>
> Regards,
> Bryn.

Hi,

On another note I see that stripe-width option in mkfs.ext3 is
missing. Any reasons why that may be the case?

Thanks
Dan

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Re: Position about Mono

2009-10-14 Thread Ed Landaveri
Thanks Rahul.

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> -Original Message-
> From: sunda...@fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:50:10 +0530
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Position about Mono
> 
> On 10/13/2009 09:30 AM, Bob McConnell wrote:
> 
>> Is there any way to absolutely prevent Mono from being installed, like
>> the mononono.deb available for other distributions?
> 
> Even in that distribution, it isn't considered the right solution since
> it essentially short circuits the dep resolver. If you want to exclude
> any package from being installed in Fedora, do exclude=foo* in
> /etc/yum.conf.
> 
> Rahul
> 
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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Todd Zullinger
Dan Track wrote:
> On another note I see that stripe-width option in mkfs.ext3 is
> missing. Any reasons why that may be the case?

You set stripe-width using the -E option.  This is documented in the
man page on F-10 and F-11 at least.  I didn't check rawhide, but I
expect it's the same there.

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Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem

2009-10-14 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:26:15 +0100,
  Dan Track  wrote:
> Fair point. I thought they might be universal terms that guys here
> might know what they correlate to in the tune2fs output. I'll keep
> quiet on this as it seems to be a sensitive point.

I think it ambiguous whether they are looking for the total size of the
file system or the the amount of the file system that can be used for
storing stuff (i.e. not including stuff needed to track which blocks
are part of which files and the like).

If I was to take a guess I would multiply the block count by 4.

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Touchscreen isn't doing anything in KDE ?

2009-10-14 Thread Linuxguy123
I just fired up a 10.4" touchscreen LCD.  The touchscreen part of things
doesn't seem to do anything in KDE.  I expected to plug it in and have
it work, ie cursor follow my finger, etc.

How should I proceed to get it working ?

$ lsusb

Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0eef:0001 D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd eGalax
TouchScreen  



$ dmesg

usb 7-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
usb 7-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0eef, idProduct=0001
usb 7-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=5, SerialNumber=3
usb 7-2: Manufacturer: eGalax Inc.
usb 7-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
input: eGalax Inc.
as /devices/pci:00/:00:1d.2/usb7/7-2/7-2:1.0/input/input16

Now what ?

Thanks !

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Moved a FC10 drive between two systems - eth0 not recognized

2009-10-14 Thread Robert Moskowitz
This is something I have done a lot with Centos, but for the first time 
with FC10.


I have 2 Compaq SFFs one old, the other older.  The just old one is my 
production server.  The older one is my
test server.  Both have 512Mb memory.  Both, I believe, have Intel 
ethernet on the system board, but different versions.


2 years ago when I moved a Centos 5 drive from the development to the 
production server, everything worked fine.  Yes I ran 
system-config-display to get it to recognize the new video (I run 
inittab 3 for the most part, so this was an extra step).


Now with FC10, the production server's ethernet is not recognized.

ifconfig

only shows L0

I tried system-config-network and it recognized something ( just the 
ifcfg-eth0 file?) and saved and updated the ifcfg-eth0 file.  I rebooted 
the system and still no eth0 on the system.  So for now, I put the drive 
in the development system and am running from that, but the production 
system has twice the CPU speed.


So what is the magic as there is no longer kudzu?


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Re: Moved a FC10 drive between two systems - eth0 not recognized

2009-10-14 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
try

ifconfig -a



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> This is something I have done a lot with Centos, but for the first time with
> FC10.
>
> I have 2 Compaq SFFs one old, the other older.  The just old one is my
> production server.  The older one is my
> test server.  Both have 512Mb memory.  Both, I believe, have Intel ethernet
> on the system board, but different versions.
>
> 2 years ago when I moved a Centos 5 drive from the development to the
> production server, everything worked fine.  Yes I ran system-config-display
> to get it to recognize the new video (I run inittab 3 for the most part, so
> this was an extra step).
>
> Now with FC10, the production server's ethernet is not recognized.
>
> ifconfig
>
> only shows L0
>
> I tried system-config-network and it recognized something ( just the
> ifcfg-eth0 file?) and saved and updated the ifcfg-eth0 file.  I rebooted the
> system and still no eth0 on the system.  So for now, I put the drive in the
> development system and am running from that, but the production system has
> twice the CPU speed.
>
> So what is the magic as there is no longer kudzu?
>
>
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Re: Moved a FC10 drive between two systems - eth0 not recognized

2009-10-14 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:11:29 -0400
Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> So what is the magic as there is no longer kudzu?

Try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
(created by udev it recognizes things like mac addr
which is probably different).

You might want to remove 70-persistent-cd.rules
as well, since it will be looking for a specific
cd/dvd drive which probably isn't the same either.

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Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Linuxguy123
How is it working for you ?

Thanks

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Andras Simon
On 10/14/09, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> How is it working for you ?

If, by 'any other mini', you mean 'any netbook', then yes, I run it on
an underpowered netbook (1st gen eee pc, but with memory upgraded to
2GB), and I'm quite happy with it.

Andras

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 21:02 +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
> On 10/14/09, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> > How is it working for you ?
> 
> If, by 'any other mini', you mean 'any netbook', then yes, I run it on
> an underpowered netbook (1st gen eee pc, but with memory upgraded to
> 2GB), and I'm quite happy with it.

What processor does it have ? SSD ? How fast do applications run ?  What
do you find to be annoyingly slow ?  How was it with 1 GB of RAM ?

Thanks !


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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Rick Stevens

Linuxguy123 wrote:

How is it working for you ?


I run it on an Acer Aspire One.  Works fine.  Don't use it much, the
display is somewhat small for my old eyes and the keyboard is a but
tight for my hands, but it works perfectly--including audio.

Only complaint is that it won't light up the WLAN LED, but WLAN works
well.
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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:54:57 -0600
Linuxguy123 wrote:

> How is it working for you ?

Dell makes minicomputers?  I thought minis were higher-end equipment than Dell's
target market, more the territory of IBM, HP and the like.

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:52 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:

> Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > How is it working for you ?
> 
> I run it on an Acer Aspire One.  Works fine.

 *blink*  Is THAT what he meant by minicomputer?  How could you possibly call
something like that a mini?  "See my tractor-trailer rig" and I show you a
Honda Civic with trailer hitch?

>  Don't use it much, the
> display is somewhat small for my old eyes and the keyboard is a but
> tight for my hands, but it works perfectly--including audio.

I love my Acer Aspire One; it's great for what I use it for (reading books and
network testing, mostly).  The keyboard is indeed too small to do any real
typing on, though.

> Only complaint is that it won't light up the WLAN LED, but WLAN works
> well.

My wireless indicator led magically started working a couple of kernel updates
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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Sam Sharpe
2009/10/14 Frank Cox 
>
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:52 -0700
> Rick Stevens wrote:
>
> > Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > How is it working for you ?
> >
> > I run it on an Acer Aspire One.  Works fine.
>
>  *blink*  Is THAT what he meant by minicomputer?  How could you possibly call
> something like that a mini?  "See my tractor-trailer rig" and I show you a
> Honda Civic with trailer hitch?

Brand names... The brand in question is a Dell Mini (9|12).

NB: your age is showing, best zip up ;o)

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Rick Stevens

Frank Cox wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:52 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:


Linuxguy123 wrote:

How is it working for you ?

I run it on an Acer Aspire One.  Works fine.


 *blink*  Is THAT what he meant by minicomputer?  How could you possibly call
something like that a mini?  "See my tractor-trailer rig" and I show you a
Honda Civic with trailer hitch?


Well, I'm assuming that's what s/he meant.  I, too, am of the old school
where "mainframes" were S/370s, Sigmas and the like; "minis" were
PDP-11s, Vaxen, Novas and their ilk; and "micros" were anything smaller.
With "laptops", "portables" and "netbooks", the lines are even fuzzier.


 Don't use it much, the
display is somewhat small for my old eyes and the keyboard is a but
tight for my hands, but it works perfectly--including audio.


I love my Acer Aspire One; it's great for what I use it for (reading books and
network testing, mostly).  The keyboard is indeed too small to do any real
typing on, though.


And the touchpad can be a bit too sensitive.  But then, I'm a big oaf.


Only complaint is that it won't light up the WLAN LED, but WLAN works
well.


My wireless indicator led magically started working a couple of kernel updates
ago.


Hmmm.  Mine still hasn't.  I did do a big-arsed update a couple of days
ago, but I haven't rebooted the machine since then.  Perhaps it will
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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:50:14 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:

> And the touchpad can be a bit too sensitive.  But then, I'm a big oaf.

I got caught out by that a couple of weeks ago.  The only touchpad computer
that I use on a regular basis is my little Acer, and I had to set up a new Mac
laptop for a customer.It's the first Mac that I've actually  touched since
the SE was the latest thing, so I really hadn't much of a clue what I was
doing. It took me several minutes to figure out that I had to give the touchpad
a really good push to make it register a click; any touchpads I've used
on other computers register a gentle tap.  I spent quite a while wondering
why my clicks didn't appear to be doing anything, but assuming that they were
being read.  The joy of troubleshooting something I know nothing about

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:50 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Frank Cox wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:52 -0700
> > Rick Stevens wrote:
> > 
> >> Linuxguy123 wrote:
> >>> How is it working for you ?
> >> I run it on an Acer Aspire One.  Works fine.
> > 
> >  *blink*  Is THAT what he meant by minicomputer?  How could you possibly 
> > call
> > something like that a mini?  "See my tractor-trailer rig" and I show you a
> > Honda Civic with trailer hitch?
> 
> Well, I'm assuming that's what s/he meant.  I, too, am of the old school
> where "mainframes" were S/370s, Sigmas and the like; "minis" were
> PDP-11s, Vaxen, Novas and their ilk; and "micros" were anything smaller.
> With "laptops", "portables" and "netbooks", the lines are even fuzzier.

I feel the same way about the "Mini" moniker.  I guess its somewhat
justified that the netbooks are called Minis because they have more
computing power than the old minis (PDP 11 et al) did.  

There isn't anything mini about a PDP11 any more... except if you
compare its size to an old mainframe.

Its astonishing to think how much processing power we can buy for ~$400
these days.  (See HP Mini 311, for example...)  30 years ago $400 would
have bought less than a day's computing time.   Now it buys an entire
machine that is way faster and nicer.  


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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> How is it working for you ?
>
> Thanks

Asus EEEPC 4G (+ 4GB SD Card, 4k striped LVM formatted to ext4)
512MB Ram
F11 LXDE
Updated BIOS to get full 900MHz on CeleronM cpu.

Performance is pretty good but scrolling in FF w/ Flash heavy sites
still lag a bit sometimes.

Richard

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> > How is it working for you ?
> >
> > Thanks
> 
> Asus EEEPC 4G (+ 4GB SD Card, 4k striped LVM formatted to ext4)
> 512MB Ram
> F11 LXDE
> Updated BIOS to get full 900MHz on CeleronM cpu.
> 
> Performance is pretty good but scrolling in FF w/ Flash heavy sites
> still lag a bit sometimes.

Can you watch youtube videos ?  In HD ?

Thanks


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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> > How is it working for you ?
> >
> > Thanks

Do the netbooks (Atoms, AMDs et al) just run a plain x86_64
distribution ?  Or does one need to mod a few things ?

Thanks


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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
>> Asus EEEPC 4G (+ 4GB SD Card, 4k striped LVM formatted to ext4)
>> 512MB Ram
>> F11 LXDE
>> Updated BIOS to get full 900MHz on CeleronM cpu.
>>
>> Performance is pretty good but scrolling in FF w/ Flash heavy sites
>> still lag a bit sometimes.
>
> Can you watch youtube videos ?  In HD ?

I haven't really tried but if I have some time tonight I give it a
whirl. Right now the wife is using it as her primary computer since
the hard drive died in her laptop.

Richard

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:42:27 -0600
Linuxguy123  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> > > How is it working for you ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> 
> Do the netbooks (Atoms, AMDs et al) just run a plain x86_64
> distribution ?  Or does one need to mod a few things ?

For the Intel based ones generally a plain x86-32 distribution. It's a
win to compile a custom kernel optimised for Atom, and ditto glibc so
that you get the later instruction optimisations.

Be careful which Dell mini and do your research on compatibility. A lot
of the netbooks have unsupported broadcom wireless devices, and the Dell
mini-10 also has unsupported video (the 10v has more 'normal' video)

Another problem is that a lot of the touchpads on mini laptops suck so
try, test and see. I have a Dell mini-9 which actually gets used as a
firewall/router (small, built in console screen, built in UPS !) where
the wireless doesn't work and the touchpad isn't great, and a Samsung
NC-10 with real hard disk which has become my travelling box and runs a
full Fedora.

Definitely try before you buy...

Alan

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Andras Simon
On 10/14/09, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 21:02 +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
>> On 10/14/09, Linuxguy123  wrote:
>> > How is it working for you ?
>>
>> If, by 'any other mini', you mean 'any netbook', then yes, I run it on
>> an underpowered netbook (1st gen eee pc, but with memory upgraded to
>> 2GB), and I'm quite happy with it.
>
> What processor does it have ? SSD ? How fast do applications run ?  What
> do you find to be annoyingly slow ?  How was it with 1 GB of RAM ?

Celeron something (i.e., not even an Atom), 4G SSD, and it started
life with 512M memory before getting 2G. Nothing is really slow, but
then I only use Firefox (with lots of open tabs), and various document
readers (acroread, evince, FBReader). I love it.

Andras

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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Rick Stevens

Alan Cox wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:42:27 -0600
Linuxguy123  wrote:


On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:

How is it working for you ?

Thanks

Do the netbooks (Atoms, AMDs et al) just run a plain x86_64
distribution ?  Or does one need to mod a few things ?


For the Intel based ones generally a plain x86-32 distribution. It's a
win to compile a custom kernel optimised for Atom, and ditto glibc so
that you get the later instruction optimisations.

Be careful which Dell mini and do your research on compatibility. A lot
of the netbooks have unsupported broadcom wireless devices, and the Dell
mini-10 also has unsupported video (the 10v has more 'normal' video)

Another problem is that a lot of the touchpads on mini laptops suck so
try, test and see. I have a Dell mini-9 which actually gets used as a
firewall/router (small, built in console screen, built in UPS !) where
the wireless doesn't work and the touchpad isn't great, and a Samsung
NC-10 with real hard disk which has become my travelling box and runs a
full Fedora.

Definitely try before you buy...


I concur.  I got my Acer (it's the 32-bit Atom beastie) because it's
handy in emergencies.  As I said, the display's too small, the keyboard
too cramped and the touchpad too sensitive for daily use.  For daily
heavy use, I have an HP dv6565us laptop (64-bit F11) and a plethora of
desktop machines (all 64-bit F11 except one that's still 64-bit F10).
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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Tait Clarridge
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 14:42 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 15:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> > > How is it working for you ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> 
> Do the netbooks (Atoms, AMDs et al) just run a plain x86_64
> distribution ?  Or does one need to mod a few things ?
> 
> Thanks

The atoms are i686, not sure if the AMD ones are too..


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Re: Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)

2009-10-14 Thread Tait Clarridge
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:10 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 21:02 +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
> > On 10/14/09, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> > > How is it working for you ?
> > 
> > If, by 'any other mini', you mean 'any netbook', then yes, I run it on
> > an underpowered netbook (1st gen eee pc, but with memory upgraded to
> > 2GB), and I'm quite happy with it.
> 
> What processor does it have ? SSD ? How fast do applications run ?  What
> do you find to be annoyingly slow ?  How was it with 1 GB of RAM ?
> 
> Thanks !

I have an EEEPC-1000H
Atom N280
1GB RAM
No SSD - yet

The PC is alright, I can definitely notice the slowness due to the atom
processor, even the stripped down version of windows was a pain. I have
it running pretty lean at the moment, but like I said, there is a huge
difference between a regular 1.6Ghz and an Atom 1.6Ghz

The sound was not working properly off the bat, just had to modprobe the
right module options and now it is working perfectly.

When it had 1GB of RAM things ran alright, flash tends to be a bit of an
issue even when I have 2GB of ram (a bit choppy, but not too bad).

Other applications work fine, audio/video playback is great. The
wireless works out of the box (even N).

I am going to get an SSD soon to try and speed a few things up. A
5400RPM drive + an Atom can choke a bit.



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input/output error on disk(?)

2009-10-14 Thread charles zeitler
when trying to copy a certain file, i get the message:
cp: reading 'file' :  Input/output error

i took the volume it was on offline, & did a forced
e2fsck.  same thing.

smartctl -H tells me the drive 'passes' .

i can change the name with mv, no problem there.

are there any other (non-destructive) steps i can take?

thanks,

charles zeitler

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