date:20091207

On Monday 07 December 2009, Craig White wrote:
>On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and
>> not a
>> separate partition?  See at:
>> 
>
>
>I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would
>be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available.
>
Are you saying that in runlevel 1, not all partitions in /etc/fstab are 
mounted?

If they are not, why not?  Pointers to the docs are fine.

>But I am sure you will feel free to abuse your boxes however you see
>fit.

Nope, really, I just like continuity.  Once I have something fixed, I want it 
to stay fixed, across upgrades.

>Craig
>


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Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB

2009-12-07 Thread Craig White

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 21:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and
> not a 
> separate partition?  See at:
> 

I would presume that with runlevel 1 (single user mode), that it would
be a problem to run as root and root's home directory is not available.

But I am sure you will feel free to abuse your boxes however you see
fit.

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Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB

On Monday 07 December 2009, R. G. Newbury wrote:
> >Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> >Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > >I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick
> > >to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD
> > >using livecd-iso-to-disk .
>
>
>
> >I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an
> >8Gb stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant,
>
>and >my dvd writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for
>dvd's >but is still reading cd's ok.  However, this asus bios I have not
>seen >a boot from usb option in its boot menu's.  Any ideas as to how to
>
> >proceed?
>
>If you have a reasonably recent ASUS mb with an AMi BIOS, setting it to
>boot from USB is rather obscure. You need to plug in the USB stick and
>reboot. The USB device will then show up in the list of hard drives
>under Boot Order (going from memory there, but its on the Boot tab, and
>the second or third entry, iirc). Move the USB HDD entry to the top of
>the list, then save and reboot.
>
>On boot, ISTR that AMI does like Lenovo does, and you can use F12 to
>select the boot device. Even so, it will now boot from the USB stick.
>
>It's rather weird that the 'boot from USB' option does not exist unless
>there is a USB stick plugged in but.
>
>Geoff

I would have to assume that i order for that to work, I'd need to dd that iso 
to the stick, as opposed to its status as a common file because there is 
other stuff on the stick too.  Not particularly precious stuff if that is 
what it would take.

I ran to town and got a fresh LiteOn drive ($42 USD) a few hrs back, and have 
been playing with the early F12 install.  But based on one question at a 
time:

What is the rational for demanding that /root be a directory on /, and not a 
separate partition?  See at:

I am ATM, running F10 with /root on its own partition.  As is /usr, but the 
only problem is at shutdown time, it claims /usr is busy and I have to give 
it 10 or more vulcan nerve pinches before it will finally do a shutdown.

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USB problems

2009-12-07 Thread john wendel



I'm running F11 386 with the latest updates (as of today).

I haven't used the usb on this computer for about a month, so I don't 
know when it stopped working.


[1] I can't mount my Sansa Fuze. It shows up in the messages log, but no 
device is created in /dev. Normally it looks like a usb memory stick.


[2] I can't mount a usb memory device as a user, it gives me the generic 
message, "wrong filesystem type, blah, blah", but root works fine.


Any clues?

Thanks,

John



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Re: nautilus overwrite files

2009-12-07 Thread suvayu ali

2009/12/7 Tim :
> Henrique Koesjan:
>>> show me before I overwrite the file, if they have the same name.
>
> Marc Wilson:
>> Why would you need a plugin to do what Nautilus does by default?
>
> Read their addendum to the original query.  Nautilus doesn't show you
> any details about the file it's about to overwrite.  You don't know if
> you're about to replace an identical file, or just one with the same
> name.
>
> For what it's worth, ditch using Nautilus as a file manager.  It just
> about scrapes by as a file browser, but it's hopeless for managing your
> files.  I usually use emelfm2, other's swear by MC.
>

Thunar is pretty good too. Very few dependencies, and I like the
volume rename thing. With the volman plugin for auto-mounting portable
media, its almost perfect. :)

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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel? SOLVED?

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 14:58 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan on 12/07/2009 02:24 PM wrote:
> > Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
> > necessary.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538792
> 
> Upstream says to use the latest version of the driver as they won't 
> backport changes. The latest version of the driver still doesn't work 
> well. I pointed out a few git commits but they were ignored.
> 

I compiled the latest driver from
http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download and so far it's working
extremely well (it's very modular so you don't have to recompile the
kernel; the instructions on the page are very clear). I wouldn't
normally do this but the alternative is to have a very painful net
experience. I hope this updated version shows up soon in the official
repos.

poc

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Re: Plan for Thunderbird in F12?

2009-12-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram

On 12/08/2009 05:35 AM, Steven Stern wrote:
> We've been running on Thunderbird 3, beta 4 for a while now.  The
> current beta release is RC2, released on 12/1.  Is the plan to stay on
> beta 4 until the release of version 3 or will the updates repo pick up
> the release candidates?

The latest RC is already in updates-testing repo.

# yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update thunderbird

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 15:29 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Well the Intel ads make XEON hyper-threading sound like the greatest
> thing since sliced bread, 

As do (just about) all manufacturers when describing their new, and
sometimes not new, technology.

The emperor is wearing no clothes!

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Re: nautilus overwrite files

Henrique Koesjan:
>> show me before I overwrite the file, if they have the same name.

Marc Wilson:
> Why would you need a plugin to do what Nautilus does by default?

Read their addendum to the original query.  Nautilus doesn't show you
any details about the file it's about to overwrite.  You don't know if
you're about to replace an identical file, or just one with the same
name.

For what it's worth, ditch using Nautilus as a file manager.  It just
about scrapes by as a file browser, but it's hopeless for managing your
files.  I usually use emelfm2, other's swear by MC.

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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 11:37 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> There, that's MY snarky remark.
>  
> Gods, people, if you want to use Ubuntu, go use Ubuntu already... no
> need to tell everyone about it.

Here's mine:  He's taking his bat, and someone else's ball, and going
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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

Joachim Backes: 
>> What's then the difference between editing grub.conf and menu.lst? None!

Aaron Konstam:
> None,

Other than, when something breaks the symlinks, making them two
independent files.  (It can happen.)

> How did youu guess the relationship between the two files?

No guessing needed.

[...@suspishus ~]$ ll /boot/grub/menu.lst 
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2008-07-28 13:12 menu.lst -> ./grub.conf

It shows you that it's a symlink to grub.conf.

Likewise, with:

[...@suspishus ~]$ ll /etc/grub.conf
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2008-07-28 13:12 /etc/grub.conf -> 
../boot/grub/grub.conf

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Plan for Thunderbird in F12?

2009-12-07 Thread Steven Stern

We've been running on Thunderbird 3, beta 4 for a while now.  The
current beta release is RC2, released on 12/1.  Is the plan to stay on
beta 4 until the release of version 3 or will the updates repo pick up
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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik


Chris writes:


On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:06:12 -0500
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:


Some time ago, in F9-F10 era, there was a consecutive series of about
four kernels that were released that could not boot on one of my
machines. Somehow, I managed to survive this traumatic experience
without installing a completely different distribution. I waved a
magic wand, and continued to boot the last working kernel, until a
new one came out that worked on my hardware once more.


I agree - quoting from Louis Lagendijk;

"The best way to avoid the problem might be to get grub to display the
list of installed (assuming that the original F12 kernel worked for you)
and select that kernel to boot from. Change the default line
in /etc/grub.conf to automate that."


It just occured to me that there may be a large number of people who are 
completely unaware of the fact that they can easily boot a previous kernel.


Some time ago, someone decided to set up grub by default to hide its boot 
menu, so that it boots without delay. As such, some people may not even know 
about this option.


This is a perfect example of why hiding some complexity from the end user is 
not always a good idea.




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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Chris

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:06:12 -0500
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> Chris writes:
> 
> > After running 12 for some weeks now, I allowed yum to install the
> > newest kernel (well, as of Friday of course). 
> > 
> > all seemed to go just fine until I rebooted.  All the machine will
> > do is continue to reboot itself over and over again. 
> > 
> > I reinstalled and applied only updates other then 3 that were
> > particular to the new kernel and all went well there. Rebooted just
> > fine.
> > 
> > I thought - why not try the remaining 3 and lets see if for some
> > reason the others might be causing this effect.
> > 
> > That didn't seem to help - again, after allowing yum to install the
> > new kernel, it sent the machine into reboot hell.
> > 
> > The box is only a few years (3) old, it's a Sony Vaio desktop. It's
> > running sata, there is a /boot part of some 200 meg (only 23% full)
> > and the rest of the 400 gig drive is LVM
> > 
> > Currently, I tossed on Ubuntu just so I can get some work done
> > however, would really prefer to be back running F12.
> > 
> > Any help/ideas would be great.
> 
> Some time ago, in F9-F10 era, there was a consecutive series of about
> four kernels that were released that could not boot on one of my
> machines. Somehow, I managed to survive this traumatic experience
> without installing a completely different distribution. I waved a
> magic wand, and continued to boot the last working kernel, until a
> new one came out that worked on my hardware once more.
> 
> 

I agree - quoting from Louis Lagendijk;

"The best way to avoid the problem might be to get grub to display the
list of installed (assuming that the original F12 kernel worked for you)
and select that kernel to boot from. Change the default line
in /etc/grub.conf to automate that."

This seems to be the appropriate way for me to have handled it. Putting
on another distro worked for me at the time. My home dir and data are
on another sata drive so using a previously cloned image from
Clonezilla got me up and running in under 10 mins when I needed to get
some things done. Not meant to be long termed - but was a solution that
I knew at the time.

Fortunately (for me) I have a cloned-image of F12 from earlier in the
week I'll put back on and use the above mentioned work around in
addition to what you have said.

I too recall the issues of F9/F10 (I touched on that with Louis in a
private mail). In any event... Time to eat.

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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Chris writes:

After running 12 for some weeks now, I allowed yum to install the newest kernel (well, as of Friday of course).

all seemed to go just fine until I rebooted. All the machine will do is continue to reboot itself over and over again.

I reinstalled and applied only updates other then 3 that were particular to the
new kernel and all went well there. Rebooted just fine.

I thought - why not try the remaining 3 and lets see if for some reason the
others might be causing this effect.

That didn't seem to help - again, after allowing yum to install the new kernel,
it sent the machine into reboot hell.

The box is only a few years (3) old, it's a Sony Vaio desktop. It's running
sata, there is a /boot part of some 200 meg (only 23% full) and the rest of the
400 gig drive is LVM

Currently, I tossed on Ubuntu just so I can get some work done however, would
really prefer to be back running F12.

Any help/ideas would be great.

Some time ago, in F9-F10 era, there was a consecutive series of about four
kernels that were released that could not boot on one of my machines.
Somehow, I managed to survive this traumatic experience without installing a
completely different distribution. I waved a magic wand, and continued to
boot the last working kernel, until a new one came out that worked on my
hardware once more.

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Re: Should I upload coredump files to bugzilla?

2009-12-07 Thread Andre Costa

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 20:48, Andre Costa  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> just installed F12[*], and every now and then abrt pops up saying some app
> misbehaved and asks me to report the problem. I always do so (3 bugs so far
> in only 2 days using F12), but it sometimes generates *huge* coredump files
> on /var/cache/abrt/*/ (Firefox alone generated a 359M file, workrave just
> generated a 15M file). My question is: would Bugzilla even allow me to
> attach such files? Is there any point in keep allowing coredumps? I'm
> seriously considering uncommenting
>
> #*   softcore0
>
> on /etc/security/limits.conf to stop this "coredump-fest" -- it takes quite
> sometime to generate them, and AFAICS it seems to be pointless.
>
> Is this (limits.conf) the best approach to turn off coredumps at all?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andre
>

... forgot to comment the "F12[*]": overall, the installation was pretty
smooth (did a full reinstall keeping only /home around), only problem was
NVidia driver which apparently conflicts with nouveau driver used for
graphical boot. Had do blacklist nouveau module on grub in order to
workaround this.

Regards,

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Should I upload coredump files to bugzilla?

2009-12-07 Thread Andre Costa

Hi,

just installed F12[*], and every now and then abrt pops up saying some app
misbehaved and asks me to report the problem. I always do so (3 bugs so far
in only 2 days using F12), but it sometimes generates *huge* coredump files
on /var/cache/abrt/*/ (Firefox alone generated a 359M file, workrave just
generated a 15M file). My question is: would Bugzilla even allow me to
attach such files? Is there any point in keep allowing coredumps? I'm
seriously considering uncommenting

#*   softcore0

on /etc/security/limits.conf to stop this "coredump-fest" -- it takes quite
sometime to generate them, and AFAICS it seems to be pointless.

Is this (limits.conf) the best approach to turn off coredumps at all?

Regards,

Andre
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Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB

2009-12-07 Thread R. G. Newbury

>Gene Heskett wrote:
>Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick
> >to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD
> >using livecd-iso-to-disk .

>I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an 
>8Gb stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant, 
and >my dvd writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for 
dvd's >but is still reading cd's ok.  However, this asus bios I have not 
seen >a boot from usb option in its boot menu's.  Any ideas as to how to 
>proceed?

If you have a reasonably recent ASUS mb with an AMi BIOS, setting it to 
boot from USB is rather obscure. You need to plug in the USB stick and 
reboot. The USB device will then show up in the list of hard drives 
under Boot Order (going from memory there, but its on the Boot tab, and 
the second or third entry, iirc). Move the USB HDD entry to the top of 
the list, then save and reboot.

On boot, ISTR that AMI does like Lenovo does, and you can use F12 to 
select the boot device. Even so, it will now boot from the USB stick.

It's rather weird that the 'boot from USB' option does not exist unless 
there is a USB stick plugged in but.

Geoff

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Re: kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64 causes kernel panic

2009-12-07 Thread Sam Sharpe

2009/12/7 Paul Smith :
> Dear All,
>
> Have you noticed this bug
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545043

Nope. Just updated and rebooted to check:

[...@samlap ~]$ uname -a
Linux samlap.fireburst.co.uk 2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 4
00:06:26 EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Funny modules loaded? Failure of dracut to build a correct initrd? Run
out of space on /boot?

[...@samlap ~]$ ls -al /boot/*162*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root97986 2009-12-04 05:19
/boot/config-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11286959 2009-12-07 22:17
/boot/initramfs-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64.img
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1870388 2009-12-04 05:19
/boot/System.map-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  3423712 2009-12-04 05:19
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:42 -0500, William Hooper wrote: 
> > As far as I can tell both cores have their separate 1M cache. But
> > lshw-gui reports HT is supported
> 
> You might want to check out this blog post by Dave Jones:
> http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/2009/11/10/common-hyperthreading-misconception/
> 
> A small quote: "The ‘ht’ flag doesn’t signify the presence of
> hyper-threading or not. It signifies the presence of the ability to
> say yes or no as to whether the processor has any siblings."
> 
> -- 
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> 
Well actually he is only partially right. The ht appears if you have
multiple cores and if the number of siblings equals the number of  cores
hyper-threading is disabled. If it is enabled then there will be more
siblings than cores.
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kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64 causes kernel panic

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Smith

Dear All,

Have you noticed this bug

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545043

?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 15:57 -0500, Reuben D. Budiardja wrote:
> On Monday 07 December 2009 15:24:59 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
> > netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable.  .
> > 
> > The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
> > necessary.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes, I also asked this problem on this list last week. For your reference, 
> this is the thread:
> http://marc.info/?l=fedora-list&m=125988446000571&w=2
> 
> Also, I observe that this workaround mentioned in one of bug reports (see 
> below)  *seem* to give me better / more usable networking: 
> "iwconfig wlan0 power off"
> YMMV.

I did try that before backing out to the earlier kernel. It didn't seem
to make any difference at all.

> Here are several bug reports I bookmarked:
> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13807
> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532465
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520535
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541756

I'll take a look, thanks.

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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 12:41 -0800, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Rick Stevens  wrote:
> > On 12/07/2009 12:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >>
> >> Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
> >> netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable. Lost
> >> connections, dropped frames even when pinging the local AP, endless
> >> browswer waits while "Resolving host ...". The same AP supports 1 iMac,
> >> a Mac Mini, 3 laptops and about 6 iPhones, all with no problems, but I
> >> reset it anyway just in case, to no effect. I've spent a couple of days
> >> fraking around with NM before deciding to try rolling back to
> >> kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686, which immediately solved all the
> >> problems.
> >>
> >> The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
> >> necessary.
> >
> > Is the kernel the only thing that changed?  Try booting an older one
> > and see if the problem goes away.  If it does, then yes, bugzilla it
> > immediately.  If an updated kernel breaks something as basic as
> > networking, that makes it "necessary".  :-)
> 
> Yes, this is a known bug.  It was even discussed on this list as
> recently as last week.
> 

I know, in fact I did look for it when the problem arose but couldn't
pin down the thread. Apologies for repeating known material.

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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 12:38 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 12/07/2009 12:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
> > netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable. Lost
> > connections, dropped frames even when pinging the local AP, endless
> > browswer waits while "Resolving host ...". The same AP supports 1 iMac,
> > a Mac Mini, 3 laptops and about 6 iPhones, all with no problems, but I
> > reset it anyway just in case, to no effect. I've spent a couple of days
> > fraking around with NM before deciding to try rolling back to
> > kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686, which immediately solved all the
> > problems.
> >
> > The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
> > necessary.
> 
> Is the kernel the only thing that changed?  Try booting an older one
> and see if the problem goes away.

As I said, I did that. The problem appears to have gone away (or at
least retreated to a manageable level).

>  If it does, then yes, bugzilla it
> immediately.  If an updated kernel breaks something as basic as
> networking, that makes it "necessary".  :-)

Looks like it's already there:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538792

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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 19:27 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: 
> On 12/07/2009 04:15 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:05 +1100, Roger wrote:
> >> Do you have two disparate grub.conf files?
> >>
> >> I have only ever edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to alter how grub boots.
> >> I do not know if this the correct thing to do but in doing so I 've not
> >> had any problems.
> >> Roger
> >>
> > Actually what you are doing is strange. Why don't you
> > edit /etc/grub.conf (which is really /boot/grub/grub.conf)?
> >
> > menu.lst is symbolic link to grub.conf.
> 
> What's then the difference between editing grub.conf and menu.lst? None!
None, except the real file is grub.conf so editing it under that name
seems a more obvious thing to do and less confusing. How did youu guess
the relationship between the two files?
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Re: Can't browse file shares on other computers with F11 using Samba

On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 17:25 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: 
> I have a problem with F11 not browsing file shares on other machines. I can
> browse file shares on the F11 box from other computers however just fine.
> When I try to browse file shares, using Nautilus, on the LAN I can see
> several machines out there and a folder for the local workgroup. Clicking on
> one of the computers listed I get a message about not being able to mount
> the location. I have F3, F5, F8 and a F12 box that all seem to work OK, just
> the F11 box is not working. I set them all up the same.
> 
> After doing some research using Google I found this isn't exactly an
> uncommon problem. Samba was removed and then reinstall using yum-extender,
> no luck. I'm not using DHCP, all machines have a fixed IP, the firewall is
> disabled, network manager is disabled, IPv4 is the only protocol running
> (IPv6 is disabled) and SELinux is disabled. Some info I found tends to
> suggest it's a Nautilus screw up, maybe.
> 
> Any ideas?
I have the reverse problem. The F11 machine can access the F12 machine but the 
F12 machine can't access the
F11 machine. But both see the Win XP machine on the LAN. 
> 
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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread William Hooper

> As far as I can tell both cores have their separate 1M cache. But
> lshw-gui reports HT is supported

You might want to check out this blog post by Dave Jones:
http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/2009/11/10/common-hyperthreading-misconception/

A small quote: "The ‘ht’ flag doesn’t signify the presence of
hyper-threading or not. It signifies the presence of the ability to
say yes or no as to whether the processor has any siblings."

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 22:16 +0200, Jussi Lehtola wrote: 
> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:44 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote:
> > > The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one.
> > > Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which
> > > means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice.
> > 
> > One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the
> > caching. This is sort of why they named it "hyperthreading". If you can
> > get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to
> > run simultaneously, there is a performance boost. But if you try to run
> > two completely different processes simultaneously, there will actually
> > be a performance LOSS because of all the cache misses this will cause.
> 
> This may not be true - in the high performance computing community
> hyperthreading is usually not used, since if you're cpu bound, then
> execution is about 20% faster in without hyperthreading since no
> performance is lost because of the dual core emulation.
> 
> However, in normal desktop use you don't really care about the MFLOPS;
> hyperthreading makes the system more responsive.
Well the Intel ads make XEON hyper-threading sound like the greatest
thing since sliced bread, 
> 
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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Tony Nelson

On 09-12-07 15:51:38, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
 ...
> I just went to reboot it.  Since I wasn't logged into the console, I
> used the GDM reboot button to reboot the system.  While it was
> shutting down, it just hung.  That's when I noticed the caps-lock and
> scroll-lock leds flashing in unison.  Oh, cool, I thought, a kernel 
> panic!
> 
> When it rebooted, it booted the new kernel:
>   kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686
> 
> (I had been running kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686 when it paniced).
> 
> The machine booted OK for me.  My surprise was when I went to look in
> /var/log/messages, there was no mention of a kernel panic!
> The last message was of smartd terminating.  Followed by the reboot 
> of the new kernel.
> 
> So, what happened?  Did my system panic?  If so, why no message in
> /var/log/messages?

If the panic was about the disk system then nothing will be written to 
the logs.  Your only chance to see it is in a system console, before 
rebooting, and that's hard to do after the panic.

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:44 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: 
> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one.
> > Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which
> > means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice.
> 
> One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the
> caching. This is sort of why they named it "hyperthreading". If you can
> get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to
> run simultaneously, there is a performance boost. But if you try to run
> two completely different processes simultaneously, there will actually
> be a performance LOSS because of all the cache misses this will cause.
> 
> --Greg
> 
> 
As far as I can tell both cores have their separate 1M cache. But
lshw-gui reports HT is supported but looking at the files in /sys makes
me doubt it. For example:
/sys/devices/system/node/node0/cpu1/online
does not exist. But that may be because the BIOS has turned HT off.
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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 10:06 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 
> Aaron Konstam on 12/07/2009 09:38 AM wrote:
> > Thanks that makes sense. For your information the current Intel XEON
> > processors use hyperthreading productively. However, Intel lists this
> > CPU as one where hyper-threading is available but as you say it may not
> > be productive.
> 
> 
> Xeons are nothing more than higher binned Pentiums.
> 
> Look up your particular CPU on ark.intel.com and make sure it actually 
> supports HyperThreading. It may not. Not all P4s support it.
> 
Well it is not completely clear but the model that is 2.80GHZ and 1M
cache seems to support HT and that is what I have got. I think I will
have to stay with the Double Core and leave he HT alone.
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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

2009-12-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth


Patrick O'Callaghan on 12/07/2009 02:24 PM wrote:

Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
necessary.


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538792

Upstream says to use the latest version of the driver as they won't 
backport changes. The latest version of the driver still doesn't work 
well. I pointed out a few git commits but they were ignored.


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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

2009-12-07 Thread Reuben D. Budiardja

On Monday 07 December 2009 15:24:59 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
> netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable.  .
> 
> The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
> necessary.

Hello,

Yes, I also asked this problem on this list last week. For your reference, 
this is the thread:
http://marc.info/?l=fedora-list&m=125988446000571&w=2

Also, I observe that this workaround mentioned in one of bug reports (see 
below)  *seem* to give me better / more usable networking: 
"iwconfig wlan0 power off"
YMMV.

Here are several bug reports I bookmarked:
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13807
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532465
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520535
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541756

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Re: LBA formatting question ?!?

2009-12-07 Thread Rick Stevens


On 12/07/2009 12:39 PM, William Case wrote:

Hi;

Not a crisis -- I am just futzing about looking at the hardware on my
machine using command line commands.

Is there a way to confirm my hard disks have been formatted with an LBA
(logical block accessing) scheme rather than CHS?  Actually I am pretty
sure they have been.  I was just wondering how I could get a look-see
for future reference.

root]# lshw shows they have extended partitions -- but I was wondering
if there was some other command that definitively specified LBA, CHS, or
whatever else?


"fdisk -l" shows the existing partitioning.  Generally, if you see 255
heads and 63 sectors per track, you've got LBA set up.  If the head and
sector counts are different, you probably have CHS.
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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Kevin J. Cummings

I just wanted to add my recent experience with the new F12 kernel

A couple of days ago, I had a PF in my area (due to the snowstorm, I
imagine).  My F12 machine (the one *not* on a UPS, yet) remained down
for a couple of days.

This morning, noting last night's updates, I rebooted it (so I could
update it!).  I used ssh and updated over the network using yum.
(I really wanted to see the "reboot hell".)  B^)

I just went to reboot it.  Since I wasn't logged into the console, I
used the GDM reboot button to reboot the system.  While it was shutting
down, it just hung.  That's when I noticed the caps-lock and scroll-lock
leds flashing in unison.  Oh, cool, I thought, a kernel panic!

When it rebooted, it booted the new kernel:
kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686

(I had been running kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686 when it paniced).

The machine booted OK for me.  My surprise was when I went to look in
/var/log/messages, there was no mention of a kernel panic!
The last message was of smartd terminating.  Followed by the reboot of
the new kernel.

So, what happened?  Did my system panic?  If so, why no message in
/var/log/messages?

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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

2009-12-07 Thread Lonni J Friedman

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Rick Stevens  wrote:
> On 12/07/2009 12:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>
>> Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
>> netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable. Lost
>> connections, dropped frames even when pinging the local AP, endless
>> browswer waits while "Resolving host ...". The same AP supports 1 iMac,
>> a Mac Mini, 3 laptops and about 6 iPhones, all with no problems, but I
>> reset it anyway just in case, to no effect. I've spent a couple of days
>> fraking around with NM before deciding to try rolling back to
>> kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686, which immediately solved all the
>> problems.
>>
>> The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
>> necessary.
>
> Is the kernel the only thing that changed?  Try booting an older one
> and see if the problem goes away.  If it does, then yes, bugzilla it
> immediately.  If an updated kernel breaks something as basic as
> networking, that makes it "necessary".  :-)

Yes, this is a known bug.  It was even discussed on this list as
recently as last week.

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LBA formatting question ?!?

2009-12-07 Thread William Case

Hi;

Not a crisis -- I am just futzing about looking at the hardware on my
machine using command line commands.  

Is there a way to confirm my hard disks have been formatted with an LBA
(logical block accessing) scheme rather than CHS?  Actually I am pretty
sure they have been.  I was just wondering how I could get a look-see
for future reference.

root]# lshw shows they have extended partitions -- but I was wondering
if there was some other command that definitively specified LBA, CHS, or
whatever else?
 
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Re: Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

2009-12-07 Thread Rick Stevens


On 12/07/2009 12:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable. Lost
connections, dropped frames even when pinging the local AP, endless
browswer waits while "Resolving host ...". The same AP supports 1 iMac,
a Mac Mini, 3 laptops and about 6 iPhones, all with no problems, but I
reset it anyway just in case, to no effect. I've spent a couple of days
fraking around with NM before deciding to try rolling back to
kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686, which immediately solved all the
problems.

The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
necessary.


Is the kernel the only thing that changed?  Try booting an older one
and see if the problem goes away.  If it does, then yes, bugzilla it
immediately.  If an updated kernel breaks something as basic as
networking, that makes it "necessary".  :-)
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Ath9 regression in latest kernel?

Since I updated to kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686 on my EeePC 1000
netbook, Wifi has become so unreliable as to be virtually unusable. Lost
connections, dropped frames even when pinging the local AP, endless
browswer waits while "Resolving host ...". The same AP supports 1 iMac,
a Mac Mini, 3 laptops and about 6 iPhones, all with no problems, but I
reset it anyway just in case, to no effect. I've spent a couple of days
fraking around with NM before deciding to try rolling back to
kernel-2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686, which immediately solved all the
problems.

The chipset is an AR928x. Had anyone else seen this? I'll BZ if
necessary.

poc

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Jussi Lehtola

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:44 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote:
> > The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one.
> > Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which
> > means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice.
> 
> One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the
> caching. This is sort of why they named it "hyperthreading". If you can
> get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to
> run simultaneously, there is a performance boost. But if you try to run
> two completely different processes simultaneously, there will actually
> be a performance LOSS because of all the cache misses this will cause.

This may not be true - in the high performance computing community
hyperthreading is usually not used, since if you're cpu bound, then
execution is about 20% faster in without hyperthreading since no
performance is lost because of the dual core emulation.

However, in normal desktop use you don't really care about the MFLOPS;
hyperthreading makes the system more responsive.

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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Louis Lagendijk

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 20:07 +, Chris wrote:
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Marc Wilson [mailto:m...@cox.net]
> >Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 01:37 PM
> >To: 'Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.'
> >Subject: Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell
> >
> >On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Chris  wrote:
> >
> >> Currently, I tossed on Ubuntu just so I can get some work done however, 
> >> would really prefer to be back running F12.
> >
> >Other than that it let you make a snarky Ubuntu remark, why would you
> >need to replace F12 "just so that you can get some work done"?  It
> >would seem obvious that all you have to do is not perform the latest
> >upgrade until whatever happened to it gets fixed.
> >
> >Oh, wait... that would't let you version-chase.  After all, apparently
> >software with lower version numbers magically ceases to work.
> >
> >There, that's MY snarky remark.
> >
> >Gods, people, if you want to use Ubuntu, go use Ubuntu already... no
> >need to tell everyone about it.
> 
> *IF* I really wanted to make a "snarky" remark I would have inserted 
> something more appropriate like windows however, I thought my question was 
> certainly genuine enough. 
> 
> As I did mention in the post - I did exactly that, I updated all but the 
> kernel stuff (second time around) and mentioned that all worked well. Then,  
> simply stated that the newest kernel seems to have caused a break (in my 
> system at least) and felt I might say something to see if anyone else had the 
> same experience, and if they did - how did they rectify it.
> 
> I apologize to you, Marc, if me question infuriated you to the point to get 
> upset. I have to believe that others didn't see it the same fashion as you.

Chris, I think your question was correct. 
The best way to avoid the problem might be to get grub to display the
list of installed (assuming that the original F12 kernel worked for you)
and select that kernel to boot from. Change the default line
in /etc/grub.conf to automate that.


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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Chris

>-Original Message-
>From: Marc Wilson [mailto:m...@cox.net]
>Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 01:37 PM
>To: 'Community assistance, encouragement,  and advice for using Fedora.'
>Subject: Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell
>
>On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Chris  wrote:
>
>> Currently, I tossed on Ubuntu just so I can get some work done however, 
>> would really prefer to be back running F12.
>
>Other than that it let you make a snarky Ubuntu remark, why would you
>need to replace F12 "just so that you can get some work done"?  It
>would seem obvious that all you have to do is not perform the latest
>upgrade until whatever happened to it gets fixed.
>
>Oh, wait... that would't let you version-chase.  After all, apparently
>software with lower version numbers magically ceases to work.
>
>There, that's MY snarky remark.
>
>Gods, people, if you want to use Ubuntu, go use Ubuntu already... no
>need to tell everyone about it.

*IF* I really wanted to make a "snarky" remark I would have inserted something 
more appropriate like windows however, I thought my question was certainly 
genuine enough. 

As I did mention in the post - I did exactly that, I updated all but the kernel 
stuff (second time around) and mentioned that all worked well. Then,  simply 
stated that the newest kernel seems to have caused a break (in my system at 
least) and felt I might say something to see if anyone else had the same 
experience, and if they did - how did they rectify it.

I apologize to you, Marc, if me question infuriated you to the point to get 
upset. I have to believe that others didn't see it the same fashion as you.

Regards, 
Chris

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Re: nautilus overwrite files

2009-12-07 Thread suvayu ali

2009/12/7 Henrique Koesjan :
> Is there a plugin in nautilus to show me the date/size of a file?
>
> thanks in advance,
> henrique
>

No plugins are required, just turn on detailed list view. :)

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Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Marc Wilson

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Chris  wrote:

> Currently, I tossed on Ubuntu just so I can get some work done however, would 
> really prefer to be back running F12.

Other than that it let you make a snarky Ubuntu remark, why would you
need to replace F12 "just so that you can get some work done"?  It
would seem obvious that all you have to do is not perform the latest
upgrade until whatever happened to it gets fixed.

Oh, wait... that would't let you version-chase.  After all, apparently
software with lower version numbers magically ceases to work.

There, that's MY snarky remark.

Gods, people, if you want to use Ubuntu, go use Ubuntu already... no
need to tell everyone about it.

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Re: nautilus overwrite files

2009-12-07 Thread Marc Wilson

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Henrique Koesjan  wrote:

> show me before I overwrite the file, if they have the same name.

Why would you need a plugin to do what Nautilus does by default?

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Re: nautilus overwrite files

2009-12-07 Thread Henrique Koesjan

sorry a little bit in a hurry,

show me before I overwrite the file, if they have the same name.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Henrique Koesjan  wrote:
> Is there a plugin in nautilus to show me the date/size of a file?
>
> thanks in advance,
> henrique
>

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nautilus overwrite files

2009-12-07 Thread Henrique Koesjan

Is there a plugin in nautilus to show me the date/size of a file?

thanks in advance,
henrique

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Latest Kernel causes reboot hell

2009-12-07 Thread Chris

After running 12 for some weeks now, I allowed yum to install the newest kernel 
(well, as of Friday of course). 

all seemed to go just fine until I rebooted.  All the machine will do is 
continue to reboot itself over and over again. 

I reinstalled and applied only updates other then 3 that were particular to the 
new kernel and all went well there. Rebooted just fine.

I thought - why not try the remaining 3 and lets see if for some reason the 
others might be causing this effect.

That didn't seem to help - again, after allowing yum to install the new kernel, 
it sent the machine into reboot hell.

The box is only a few years (3) old, it's a Sony Vaio desktop. It's running 
sata, there is a /boot part of some 200 meg (only 23% full) and the rest of the 
400 gig drive is LVM

Currently, I tossed on Ubuntu just so I can get some work done however, would 
really prefer to be back running F12.

Any help/ideas would be great.

TIA

Chris


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Re: Getting rid of /boot

2009-12-07 Thread Eric Brunson


On 12/04/2009 04:56 PM, Marc Wilson wrote:

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Eric Brunson  wrote:
   

According to it's website documentation grub has supported LVM for the past
few minor releases.  Is there any initiative to move /boot in LVM?
 

Can't imagine there's any reason for it, when all you have to do is
structure the system reasonably in the first place.  All the failed
upgrade scenarios (why do people bother with preupgrade in the first
place?) seem to involve people thinking they know better than the
automated partitioning tools.

Why add the complexity?

   


Actually, my installations all took the default 200MB /boot partition.  
I use preupgrade because, in general, it's awesome.  Why don't you ask 
the developers why they bothered writing it.


If the size of /boot wasn't an issue, I would have had no problems at 
all with preupgrade.  As far as I'm concerned, it removes complexity.  
What was most interesting to me during the investigation to a workaround 
was just how simple preupgrade is.




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Re: System infected ?

On Monday 07 December 2009, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:38:20 +0100, Frank wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:32:50 +0100 Luc MAIGNAN wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I launched a 'chkrootkit' on my mail server and it gave me the
>> > following error :
>> >
>> > Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)
>> >
>> >
>> > I think that isn't a problem because a use this port with postfix as
>> > SMTPS.
>>
>> Take it als "false positive". I've the same with exim.
>
>What do you expect from a simple test whether a port is used? ;)
>Don't overestimate chkrootkit.

Hijacking a thread here for sure, but how can I make rkhunter accept that 
there is an /usr/sbin/unhide file on this F10 system?  There seems to be ways 
to disable certain tests, but not a method to allow something, so I am being 
bombarded with a daily email from rkhunter about it.  I tried adding it to 
rkhunter.dat but its removed by the following --propupd run.  A manually 
fired run is fine, but the cron job seems unfine.

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Re: Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick

On Monday 07 December 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick
>to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD
>using livecd-iso-to-disk .
>
>The problem is that the ancient machine I am dealing with
>does not support booting from the USB stick.
>
>So following advice here, I transferred vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img
>from the stick to the hard disk,
>and added a stanza to grub to boot from this:
>---
>title Upgrade to Fedora-12
>root (hd0,1)
>kernel /syslinux/vmlinuz0 root=/dev/sdc2
>initrd /syslinux/initrd0.img
>---
>Here /dev/sdc2 is the relevant partition on the memory stick.
>
>This works up to a point;
>but it fails (after entering the interactive stage)
>when trying to check the partitions, presumably with fsck .
>In particular the check on the boot partition is said to fail,
>even though it boots perfectly well with this partition under F-11.
>
>I don't understand where it gets a list of partitions to check -
>it seems to be using /etc/fstab from the Fedora-11 system,
>which seems illogical to me.
>
>In any case, my query is: Is there any way of adding something
>to the grub kernel line to stop partition checking?
>
>Or is there some other trick I could apply?
>
>I should say that this is a purely theoretical experiment;
>I know there are many other ways I could install Fedora-12.
>But I installed F-12 on several other machines using the USB stick,
>and it would be useful to know if I could actually update
>all machines in this way.

I wouldn't mind being able to do something similar myself. I have an 8Gb 
stick with the F12 install iso on it, as a file at the instant, and my dvd 
writer seems to have turned itself into a write only for dvd's but is still 
reading cd's ok.  However, this asus bios I have not seen a boot from usb 
option in its boot menu's.  Any ideas as to how to proceed?

Thanks.

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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

2009-12-07 Thread Joachim Backes


On 12/07/2009 04:15 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:05 +1100, Roger wrote:

Do you have two disparate grub.conf files?

I have only ever edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to alter how grub boots.
I do not know if this the correct thing to do but in doing so I 've not
had any problems.
Roger


Actually what you are doing is strange. Why don't you
edit /etc/grub.conf (which is really /boot/grub/grub.conf)?

menu.lst is symbolic link to grub.conf.


What's then the difference between editing grub.conf and menu.lst? None!

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Re: Getting rid of /boot

2009-12-07 Thread Eric Brunson


On 12/04/2009 01:33 PM, Terry Polzin wrote:

On Friday 04 December 2009 14:55, Eric Brunson wrote:
   

According to it's website documentation grub has supported LVM for the
past few minor releases.  Is there any initiative to move /boot in LVM?

Wondering,
e.
 

Sure would be a good thing, when /boot needs more space to complete some
upgrade scenarios.

   
That's exactly what prompted me to ask.  I had space issues on three 
different machines with preupgrade.


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Gnome Zeitgeist

2009-12-07 Thread davide

Hi guys,
has anyone tried to play with Gnome Zeitgeist? Any hints or list of 
dependencies?

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Upcoming Fedora IRC CLass

2009-12-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi

Greetings. 

This is a regular posting every monday,
letting people know about the upcoming IRC classroom sessions that are
scheduled. 

From the Classroom page at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
we currently have the following Classes scheduled: 

2009-12-08 02:00 UTC How to report bugs to the Fedora Project - Kevin Fenzi

Note that this is This evening in North America. 

We have several other classes in planning stages now, hopefully to be
announced soon. 

Please see the above page for more information on signing up to teach a
class, providing feedback to the classroom mailing list or other
general information. 

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Chris Adams

Once upon a time, Greg Woods  said:
> One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the
> caching. This is sort of why they named it "hyperthreading". If you can
> get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to
> run simultaneously, there is a performance boost. But if you try to run
> two completely different processes simultaneously, there will actually
> be a performance LOSS because of all the cache misses this will cause.

I believe that the Linux kernel scheduler takes all of this into
account.  You are better off enabling HT (and letting the kernel worry
about taking advantage of it) than disabling it.

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Greg Woods

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote:

> 
> The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one.
> Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which
> means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice.

One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the
caching. This is sort of why they named it "hyperthreading". If you can
get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to
run simultaneously, there is a performance boost. But if you try to run
two completely different processes simultaneously, there will actually
be a performance LOSS because of all the cache misses this will cause.

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth


Aaron Konstam on 12/07/2009 09:38 AM wrote:

Thanks that makes sense. For your information the current Intel XEON
processors use hyperthreading productively. However, Intel lists this
CPU as one where hyper-threading is available but as you say it may not
be productive.



Xeons are nothing more than higher binned Pentiums.

Look up your particular CPU on ark.intel.com and make sure it actually 
supports HyperThreading. It may not. Not all P4s support it.


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And now for a positive note.

I know with every new version of Fedora problems arise and I don't want
to minimize the importance of problems people are having with F12.

But again as with the installation of F11 the installation of F12 went
for me like a charm. Configurations of the system that used to have me
cursing and yelling (and I have installed probably 18-20 versions of
RedHat and Fedora) worked like a charm.

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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote: 
> Am Montag, den 07.12.2009, 09:02 -0600 schrieb Aaron Konstam:
> > I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4  D CPU Dual
> > core that is capable of hyper-threading.
> > 
> > I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked carefully at its
> > configuration and found that hyper-threading was disabled. A little more
> > looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and
> > could not be turned on. So what are my options if I want to enable
> > hyper-threading and is it worth it?
> > 
> > One option I assume is to find another BIOS. Are there other options or
> > if it is disabled in the BIOS it is disabled?
> > 
> > Another question is how much boost in performance should I expect from
> > the dual core SMB functionality of the CPU?
> > --
> 
> The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one.
> Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which
> means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice.
> As I remember: Under some circumstances, there were some percent
> performance boost. But mostly there was more a performace loss if one
> enables hyperthreading on a P4. That may be the reason for having 
> disabled the hyperthreading in the BIOS. Things may have changed with
> more up-to-date INTEL hyperthreading CPUs...
> 
> Joerg
> 
Thanks that makes sense. For your information the current Intel XEON
processors use hyperthreading productively. However, Intel lists this
CPU as one where hyper-threading is available but as you say it may not
be productive.
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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 10:11 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: 
> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:02:09 -0600
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> 
> > A little more
> > looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and
> > could not be turned on.
> 
> Does that mean there is no BIOS option to turn it on, or that attempting
> to turn it on in the BIOS doesn't work? I've run across at least
> one machine where merely setting options for certain things in
> the BIOS wasn't good enough - you also had to power cycle the machine
> for the new setting to take effect.
> 
The BIOS indicates that the setting cannot be changed.
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Re: System infected ?

2009-12-07 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:38:20 +0100, Frank wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:32:50 +0100 Luc MAIGNAN wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I launched a 'chkrootkit' on my mail server and it gave me the following 
> > error :
> > 
> > Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)
> > 
> > 
> > I think that isn't a problem because a use this port with postfix as SMTPS.
> 
> Take it als "false positive". I've the same with exim.

What do you expect from a simple test whether a port is used? ;)
Don't overestimate chkrootkit.

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Re: Printing on F12

Sorry for top posting but one wonders what happens if you use lpr rather
than lp. Are we System V  or Berkley. I just wonder.

On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 18:31 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> I setup a remote lpd network attached printer using
> system-config-printer.  And it works ... sort of :-)
> 
> I print a file, e.g.
> 
> lp /etc/hosts
> 
> and I get as a response
> 
> request id is HP-LaserJet-2100-29 (1 file(s))
> 
> which is the lp print id.  This file prints.  On the other hand:
> 
> cd /var/www/html/css
> lp php-test.css
> 
> returns
> 
> lp: successful-ok
> 
> This file does not print, nor does
> 
> lp /var/www/html/css/php-test.css
> 
> Other files in /var/www/html printed successfully.
> 
> I ran wireshark and in every case where I got "lp: successful-ok" I
> see no traffic.
> 
> if I 
> 
> cd ../js
> lp ajax.js
> 
> Then I get
> 
> request id is HP-LaserJet-2100-33 (1 file(s))
> 
> Here are the file sizes:
> 
> [pgalti...@peglaptop js]$ ls -l
> total 12
> -rw-r--r--. 1 pgaltieri pgaltieri 1041 2009-12-05 17:37 ajax.js
> -rw-r--r--. 1 pgaltieri pgaltieri 2158 2009-12-05 17:45 dept.js
> -rw-r--r--. 1 pgaltieri pgaltieri  542 2009-12-04 15:00 site.js
> 
> [pgalti...@peglaptop js]$ ls -l
> total 12
> -rw-r--r--. 1 pgaltieri pgaltieri 601 2009-12-04 21:23 about-me.css
> -rw-r--r--. 1 pgaltieri pgaltieri 506 2009-12-04 21:23 main.css
> -rw-r--r--. 1 pgaltieri pgaltieri 835 2009-12-06 11:48 php-test.css
> 
> If I rename the file
> 
> cp about-me.css /tmp/XX
> lp /tmp/XX
> 
> I get
> 
> request id is HP-LaserJet-2100-34 (1 file(s))
> 
> But it will not print any file that ends in .css.  Is this expected
> behavior?  Why should lp care?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Paolo
> 
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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Joerg Bergmann

Am Montag, den 07.12.2009, 09:02 -0600 schrieb Aaron Konstam:
> I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4  D CPU Dual
> core that is capable of hyper-threading.
> 
> I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked carefully at its
> configuration and found that hyper-threading was disabled. A little more
> looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and
> could not be turned on. So what are my options if I want to enable
> hyper-threading and is it worth it?
> 
> One option I assume is to find another BIOS. Are there other options or
> if it is disabled in the BIOS it is disabled?
> 
> Another question is how much boost in performance should I expect from
> the dual core SMB functionality of the CPU?
> --

The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one.
Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which
means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice.
As I remember: Under some circumstances, there were some percent
performance boost. But mostly there was more a performace loss if one
enables hyperthreading on a P4. That may be the reason for having 
disabled the hyperthreading in the BIOS. Things may have changed with
more up-to-date INTEL hyperthreading CPUs...

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Re: Grub2, /boot, and lvm

2009-12-07 Thread suvayu ali

Hi Tom,

2009/12/7 Tom H 
>
> >From Suvayu Ali (in the "Getting rid of /boot" thread)
> > Could you please point me to the documentation for this? I would
> > really like to read up more and understand what limitations/advantages
> > I might have as I have been waiting for this to be included since F10.
>
> Sorry Suvayu. Just remembered that you had asked for this info.
>
> This is from the Grub 2 wiki:
> http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
>

Thank you Tom, its much appreciated, but you forgot that you have
already posted that. :)

I went through it, and was trying to find whether the grub in Fedora
is capable of that.

$ grub --version
grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)

Even in the F12 repos, I saw the grub version is 0.97. Whereas the
link says Grub needs to be 1.95 or higher to boot from a /boot on an
lvm. Does that mean Fedora is yet to include that capability?

This thread has been very enlightening so far. :)
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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:05 +1100, Roger wrote: 
> Do you have two disparate grub.conf files?
> 
> I have only ever edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to alter how grub boots.
> I do not know if this the correct thing to do but in doing so I 've not 
> had any problems.
> Roger
> 
Actually what you are doing is strange. Why don't you
edit /etc/grub.conf (which is really /boot/grub/grub.conf)?

menu.lst is symbolic link to grub.conf.
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Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Tom Horsley

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:02:09 -0600
Aaron Konstam wrote:

> A little more
> looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and
> could not be turned on.

Does that mean there is no BIOS option to turn it on, or that attempting
to turn it on in the BIOS doesn't work? I've run across at least
one machine where merely setting options for certain things in
the BIOS wasn't good enough - you also had to power cycle the machine
for the new setting to take effect.

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To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4  D CPU Dual
core that is capable of hyper-threading.

I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked carefully at its
configuration and found that hyper-threading was disabled. A little more
looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and
could not be turned on. So what are my options if I want to enable
hyper-threading and is it worth it?

One option I assume is to find another BIOS. Are there other options or
if it is disabled in the BIOS it is disabled?

Another question is how much boost in performance should I expect from
the dual core SMB functionality of the CPU?
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Re: System infected ?

2009-12-07 Thread Frank Elsner

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:32:50 +0100 Luc MAIGNAN wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I launched a 'chkrootkit' on my mail server and it gave me the following 
> error :
> 
> Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)
> 
> 
> I think that isn't a problem because a use this port with postfix as SMTPS.

Take it als "false positive". I've the same with exim.


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Installing Fedora-12 from USB stick

2009-12-07 Thread Timothy Murphy

I've been trying to install Fedora-12 from a memory stick
to which I have transferred the KDE Live CD
using livecd-iso-to-disk .

The problem is that the ancient machine I am dealing with
does not support booting from the USB stick.

So following advice here, I transferred vmlinuz0 and initrd0.img
from the stick to the hard disk,
and added a stanza to grub to boot from this:
---
title Upgrade to Fedora-12
root (hd0,1)
kernel /syslinux/vmlinuz0 root=/dev/sdc2
initrd /syslinux/initrd0.img
---
Here /dev/sdc2 is the relevant partition on the memory stick.

This works up to a point;
but it fails (after entering the interactive stage)
when trying to check the partitions, presumably with fsck .
In particular the check on the boot partition is said to fail,
even though it boots perfectly well with this partition under F-11.

I don't understand where it gets a list of partitions to check -
it seems to be using /etc/fstab from the Fedora-11 system,
which seems illogical to me.

In any case, my query is: Is there any way of adding something
to the grub kernel line to stop partition checking?

Or is there some other trick I could apply?

I should say that this is a purely theoretical experiment;
I know there are many other ways I could install Fedora-12.
But I installed F-12 on several other machines using the USB stick,
and it would be useful to know if I could actually update
all machines in this way.


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System infected ?

2009-12-07 Thread Luc MAIGNAN


Hi,

I launched a 'chkrootkit' on my mail server and it gave me the following 
error :


Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)


I think that isn't a problem because a use this port with postfix as SMTPS.

Am I right or wrong ?

BR

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Grub2, /boot, and lvm

2009-12-07 Thread Tom H

>From Suvayu Ali (in the "Getting rid of /boot" thread)
> Could you please point me to the documentation for this? I would
> really like to read up more and understand what limitations/advantages
> I might have as I have been waiting for this to be included since F10.

Sorry Suvayu. Just remembered that you had asked for this info.

This is from the Grub 2 wiki:
http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID

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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

2009-12-07 Thread Michael Schwendt

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:59:03 +1030, Tim wrote:

> > /boot/grub/grub.conf  is the configuration file
> > /boot/grub/menu.lst  is just a symlink for compatibility
> 
> As I recall, that's a Red Hat-ism. 

True.

> The menu.lst file being the default
> GRUB file, as used by GRUB, 

Not true.  The default configuration file is /boot/grub/grub.conf because
a customisation patch tells GRUB to use that instead of menu.lst. The patch
also modifies the documentation -- although I think it doesn't remove all
traces of the original menu.lst file name, and an example config file
/usr/share/doc/grub-0.97/menu.lst is available on Fedora 12 e.g.

> and grub.conf being the file we're using.

Actually, there's some "magic" in Fedora's/Red Hat's grub-install which
would do the opposite and symlink a missing grub.conf to an existing
menu.lst.

> And that recollection tallies with what I've seen on other Linux
> installations that use GRUB.  Having said that, it shouldn't matter
> which is the file and which is the link.

It matters as soon as a user overwrites the symlink with a file (there
are editors who [can] do that, and sometimes it's just a matter of
deleting/moving a file and recreating it).

> It should be easy to test which is the default file:  Remove both,
> create separate, and slightly different, files.  Then see which is
> actually used when booting.

/boot/grub/grub.conf   no need to test that. With one exception: GRUB
searches for /grub/grub.conf in its Root Partition. So, the thing to
get right is to make sure that what is found in /boot on the mounted
file-system when running Fedora actually matches the place GRUB was
installed with. Simply modifying /boot/grub/grub.conf and changing
the descriptions of the boot entries should have an effect when rebooting
and taking a look at the boot menu.

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Re: Printing on F12

2009-12-07 Thread Tim Waugh

On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 18:31 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> lp php-test.css
> 
> returns
> 
> lp: successful-ok

It's a CUPS bug.  I've filed a bug report here:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=545026

Thanks for saying about it.

Tim.
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RE: Tiff files frmo xsane arent usable in windows

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 06:25 +, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> it seems whatever came out of xsane isn't compatible with the fax
> viewer in XP.

Three guesses:  It's a compressed TIFF, and the other computer doesn't
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TIFF, and the other computer's viewer was expecting two bit black or
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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 10:56 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> /boot/grub/grub.conf  is the configuration file
> /boot/grub/menu.lst  is just a symlink for compatibility

As I recall, that's a Red Hat-ism.  The menu.lst file being the default
GRUB file, as used by GRUB, and grub.conf being the file we're using.
And that recollection tallies with what I've seen on other Linux
installations that use GRUB.  Having said that, it shouldn't matter
which is the file and which is the link.

It should be easy to test which is the default file:  Remove both,
create separate, and slightly different, files.  Then see which is
actually used when booting.

I have no desire to reboot, so I'm not going to test this at the moment.

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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:05 +1100, Roger wrote:
> I have only ever edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to alter how grub boots.
> I do not know if this the correct thing to do

That should be fine.  Do you have more than one boot partition?

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Re: Getting rid of /boot

On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:53 +1100, Roger wrote:
> Question: with /boot / and /home partitions, do  /usr /etc /var and 
> others all go into directories in /
> I've never found out how the partitioning and install systems handle
> this.

As far as accessing them is concerned, they're all directories inside /.

Now, they could be ordinary directories, or other disks/partitions
mounted onto directories.  But they all apear like directories.

For simplicity's sake, you might use just directories in /.  For
reliabilities sake, they may be mount points for different drives, with
different mounting options (read-only, etc.).  Back in the earlier days
of non-gigabyte drives, using different drives per mount might have been
advantageous for sizing reasons, alone.

When creating the file structure, you'd make a root partition, and
create all the directories.  If you were using partitions, then you'd
create them, mount them into /.  Then you'd start putting files on.

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Re: Grub timeout ignored?

2009-12-07 Thread hongwei hou

Yes exactly!

2009/12/7 Michael Schwendt 

> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:05:07 +1100, Roger wrote:
>
> > Do you have two disparate grub.conf files?
> >
> > I have only ever edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to alter how grub boots.
> > I do not know if this the correct thing to do but in doing so I 've not
> > had any problems.
> > Roger
>
> /boot/grub/grub.conf  is the configuration file
> /boot/grub/menu.lst  is just a symlink for compatibility
> /etc/grub.conf  is also just a symlink for convenience
>
> Activating the "hiddenmenu" option is not supposed to remove the "timeout"
> setting, btw.
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Re: dd question, what am I doing wrong?