Re: X on UEFI systems.
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 10:49 +0300, Vasily Levchenko wrote: Right, we still in progress (e.g. VBox 3.1 is failing to load FC12 with ACPI, and it can't load Windows Vista and 7/EFI) but with VBox 3.1 with manually edited config runs FC11(i386/x86_64) fine. From what I saw in the thread, the bug seems to be that X is assuming the presence of a VGA BIOS, which would seem to be a fairly generic problem that would hit any EFI setup. I guess real EFI systems has proprietary drivers + corresponding drivers, e.g. nvidia, and there're no serious reasons to use vga bios. Fedora never assumes the presence of proprietary drivers. When we say we want EFI to work, we mean with the drivers included in Fedora. AIUI anyway. See Vasily's message of a couple of days ago. But I could be wrong, and also I'm not sure why he's testing with F11 rather than F12 or Rawhide. About rawhide, could you please give me some pointers on ISO images, instructions for kernel compilations (looks like it bit different from compilation of vanilla kernels)? Live images go up nightly here: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ building kernels - well, approaches differ. Personally I tend to grab the latest .src.rpm, make the changes I want in the spec, build it back into a .src.rpm and compile with mock. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Anyone else want to maintain alltray?
Hi It is a application that lets you minimize any app to the system tray and is compatible with GNOME, Xfce, KDE etc. It has a dormant upstream and I haven't had time to look into all the crash reports from Abrt. If noone picks it up, I will orphan it in a week. $ yum info alltray Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Available Packages Name : alltray Arch : i686 Version: 0.70 Release: 4.fc12 Size : 62 k Repo : fedora Summary: Dock any application in the tray URL: http://alltray.sourceforge.net/ License: GPLv2+ Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Help wanted with dist-cvs to git conversion
2009/12/12 Debarshi Ray debarshi@gmail.com: And let me put it this way: if fedora decides to post my non @fp.o address somewhere, like in git entries, I'm going to be extremely pissed off about it. As for me, I don't mind publishing my real email address but I would prefer not to have my fedoraproject.org alias published where the spammers can find it. I don't particularly like having forwarding aliases created for me, but if you have to give me one then please don't publish it. Here you go: rombobe...@fedoraproject.org rombobe...@fedoraproject.org rombobe...@fedoraproject.org rombobe...@fedoraproject.org rombobe...@fedoraproject.org Now what? Cheers, Debarshi I think that is unnecessarily untagonistic. This is a non-issue. Both my fpo and non-fpo are published regularly in commits and whatnot and I receive about 1 spam per week. But then I have gmail. :) -- Christopher Brown -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: mono and snk key files
2009/12/11 Adam Goode a...@spicenitz.org: On 11/29/2009 11:29 AM, Christopher Brown wrote: 2009/11/29 Kalev Lember ka...@smartlink.ee: Hello, snip Comments? I'm the maintainer for log4net but unfortunately not for nant. I've finally gotten around to looking at this. Debian have a policy[1] of using a standard mono.snk which is provided by a package (I guess we just then BuildRequires this) and I think this seems like a good solution but have no experience of this. We should definitely use Debian's key, right? Otherwise some Fedora CLI libraries would be unnecessarily incompatible with Debian, and whoever else uses Debian's key. The whole business of not shipping code-signing keys is a little contrary to open source. I think this is something that GPLv3 would prohibit. We should use a single well-known signing key for any package that we don't have the keys for, I think. You're right. This has already been resolved in devel by added mono.snk to the mono-devel package. I'm just waiting on commit access to make the required changes to F-11 and F-12 unless someone else wants to do it. Best -- Christopher Brown -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
2009/12/11 Dennis J. denni...@conversis.de: On 12/10/2009 09:01 PM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:38:10 -0200 Henrique Juniorhenrique...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that postgresql is great, but MariaDB is expanding very fast. I'm not the best person to opine about databases, my experience is very limited, but it would be nice to keep an eye on MariaDB. Well, duh. Who's going to maintain it though? There must be a warm body. I for one care much more about Drizzle than about MariaDB. From what I can tell MariaDB is basically just a new storage engine inside the old crufty MySQL shell whereas Drizzle is a (much needed) overhaul of the whole thing. Much more interesting for future projects if you ask me. Regards, Dennis Meh. May the best code win. I would have thought that at the moment you could pretty much drop the MariaDB sources into the MySQL directories and: sed 's/MySQL/MariaDB/g' mysql.spec mariadb.spec as a start. -- Christopher Brown -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Help wanted with dist-cvs to git conversion
Christopher Brown wrote: This is a non-issue. It may be a non-issue to you but not to Seth Vidal obviously. Both my fpo and non-fpo are published regularly in commits and whatnot and I receive about 1 spam per week. But then I have gmail. :) Well I have received zero spams since April when I flipped the switch to enforcing mode (except when the spam blocker crashed; there seems to be a race condition that I haven't tracked down yet.) Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
Em Dom, 2009-12-13 às 11:21 +, Christopher Brown escreveu: 2009/12/11 Dennis J. denni...@conversis.de: On 12/10/2009 09:01 PM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:38:10 -0200 Henrique Juniorhenrique...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that postgresql is great, but MariaDB is expanding very fast. I'm not the best person to opine about databases, my experience is very limited, but it would be nice to keep an eye on MariaDB. Well, duh. Who's going to maintain it though? There must be a warm body. I for one care much more about Drizzle than about MariaDB. From what I can tell MariaDB is basically just a new storage engine inside the old crufty MySQL shell whereas Drizzle is a (much needed) overhaul of the whole thing. Much more interesting for future projects if you ask me. Regards, Dennis Meh. May the best code win. I would have thought that at the moment you could pretty much drop the MariaDB sources into the MySQL directories and: sed 's/MySQL/MariaDB/g' mysql.spec mariadb.spec as a start. -- Christopher Brown Yes, I'm comparing the codes right now and they seems very similar. -- Henrique Junior henrique...@gmail.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
Yes, I'm comparing the codes right now and they seems very similar. not the code, the spec he means you may start by reusing the spec file of mysql -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote: Running a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland is a common practice on non-x86 platforms, and non-Linux OS's. FWIW, it works on Linux too. I ran F10 i386 on a x86_64 kernel for a while. About the only thing that doesn't work right is yum wrt kernel updates. For a lot of tasks, you simply do not need 64-bit pointers and a 64-bit process address space. Both executable code and in-memory data structures tend to be smaller on 32-bit. Indeed. It would be nice if i386-userspace/x64-kernel were officially support.. such a setup does not make much sense, when your hardware supports x86_64 not using it for userspace is a waste -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st writes: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Roland McGrath wrote: x86 is unlike other architectures because 64-bit also has twice as many registers as 32-bit. So you get to trade off the benefits of register allocation across more registers against the memory/cache footprint of 64-bit pointers. For what percentage of code is that an appreciable advantage? Pretty much everything, actually. The x86 ISA completely sucks. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, drago01 wrote: such a setup does not make much sense, when your hardware supports x86_64 not using it for userspace is a waste a) i386 has a lower memory footprint, as has been mentioned in this thread. b) The amount of code on your system that is CPU bound and/or memory-bound due to register pressure, to an extent that the x64 registers would make an appreciable difference is probably not that significant - kernel hotpots - graphics hotspots (X server perhaps) I havn't measured this, but nor have the people who say x86_64 is faster AFAICT, and there's plenty of experience to say that most software is far from CPU bound or memory bound. c) There is a definite cost to a distro in having to maintain 2 x86_64 and i386 as separate arches - QA - package building and distribution Every supported arch increases the size of the test matrix. Minimising the number of arches you have to, say, test a cp bugfix against helps reduce QA load and helps you get better software to your users, faster (better cause you release time spent on architecture QA that can be spent on improving software generally). d) Like or not, i386 is the de-facto standard for binary interfaces: - Netscape plugins - Windows executables The retort no doubt will Oh but this is Fedora, we don't care about any closed-source stuff, but that would miss the point entirely re *Interface*. The i386 machine can be a plugin interface between 2 different open-source systems, e.g. consider: - VM images to run in, say, QEMU/KVM - Sandboxing technologies for, say, browser plugins (I think Google have stuff in this area) - Free software windows-only apps (don't know if they exist) All the code here can be open-source/free-software and still be relying on i386 as a widely known and hence convenient /interface/. As such, it likely needs to be supported on x86_64 kernel-based systems anyway, as performantly as possible. (And yeah, I gather KVM x86_64 doesn't work for i386 VMs - annoying). So personally I think x86_64-pure is unrealistic and, independently, I think 32-on-64 makes sense, but hey. :) regards, -- Paul Jakma p...@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: He who despises himself nevertheless esteems himself as a self-despiser. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
Fedora has already chosen to make the 32bit builds incompatible with pre-686 systems for performance gains Yes, a decision I consider to be a Fedora managment mistake. Seems to me, as if some people in Fedora's leadership don't want to understand that being able to deploy Linux on old or recycled hardware used to be one big selling point in Linux. Certainly, Fedora devs tend to be equipped with modern HW, but it's a mistake to believe everybody is. I think if your position is that most users don't care about performance and other things (like compatibility) are more important then you should strongly promote x86_64 Fedora for everyone who can use it. Not quite. My position actually is: Most users don't care much about 1-2% improved performance nor about improved internals (more registers etc.), as long as their system does what they want it to do. That said, these users don't actually care about using 64bit or 32bit Linux, as long as their applications behave reasonable and as long as the OS is easy to use. Or differently: I don't need a car with a 250kw engine and 7 seats to drive to the supermarket. My 8-years of VW Polo with its 50kW engine will also do ;) I totally agree with you. :) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
if _you_ want to support slower machines ... _you_ will have to do the work, you might get help from the community but just ranting on f-d-l Everyone should solve my problems is unlikely to actually help. IMO. I would if I could. I can't program. Else I would just shutup and would DO the work! So the only thing I can do is babel. Alternative I can just sit there and see how the things become worse.. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Paul Jakma wrote: b) The amount of code on your system that is CPU bound and/or memory-bound due to register pressure, to an extent that the x64 faster AFAICT, and there's plenty of experience to say that most software is far from CPU bound or memory bound. Oops, this is unclear - memory bound here in these 2 cases refers to memory-I/O, not amount of memory. regards, -- Paul Jakma p...@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: Plus ,ca change, plus c'est la m^eme chose. [The more things change, the more they remain the same.] -- Alphonse Karr, Les Gu^epes -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, drago01 wrote: such a setup does not make much sense, when your hardware supports x86_64 not using it for userspace is a waste a) i386 has a lower memory footprint, as has been mentioned in this thread. Yes which is pretty much the only valid complaint but trading memory for performance is a price I am willing to take ... b) The amount of code on your system that is CPU bound and/or memory-bound due to register pressure, to an extent that the x64 registers would make an appreciable difference is probably not that significant - kernel hotpots The kernel doesn't do any have computing... - graphics hotspots (X server perhaps) I havn't measured this, but nor have the people who say x86_64 is faster AFAICT, and there's plenty of experience to say that most software is far from CPU bound or memory bound. Yes but the stuff adds up, you gain almost nothing by running i686 code but where it matters x86_64 can make a HUGE difference. c) There is a definite cost to a distro in having to maintain 2 x86_64 and i386 as separate arches Not a reason to move forward with hardware development. d) Like or not, i386 is the de-facto standard for binary interfaces: - Netscape plugins This is slowly being fixed. - Windows executables Nobody stops you from running i386 apps on a x86_64 system. - VM images to run in, say, QEMU/KVM - Sandboxing technologies for, say, browser plugins (I think Google have stuff in this area) - Free software windows-only apps (don't know if they exist) All the code here can be open-source/free-software and still be relying on i386 as a widely known and hence convenient /interface/. As such, it likely needs to be supported on x86_64 kernel-based systems anyway, as performantly as possible. (And yeah, I gather KVM x86_64 doesn't work for i386 VMs - annoying). Er.. don't quite get your point here, what is stopping me from running i686 VMs on a x86_64 host? I have been doing this for a while and there are there problems (you don't even need multilib for that) So personally I think x86_64-pure is unrealistic and, independently, I think 32-on-64 makes sense, but hey. :) I did not suggest using pure x86_64 but using x86_64 where we can (ie. not just the kernel). -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:09 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: c) There is a definite cost to a distro in having to maintain 2 x86_64 and i386 as separate arches Not a reason to move forward with hardware development. reason to _not_ move ... Er.. don't quite get your point here, what is stopping me from running i686 VMs on a x86_64 host? I have been doing this for a while and there are there problems (you don't even need multilib for that) should read _zero_ problems. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
Em Dom, 2009-12-13 às 19:39 +0200, Muayyad AlSadi escreveu: Yes, I'm comparing the codes right now and they seems very similar. not the code, the spec he means you may start by reusing the spec file of mysql Yes, I mean the spec (my bad). A draft spec for MariaDB is getting very similar to MySQL's spec (great part works), but I have no intention of submitting it, since I do not have the necessary knowledge in databases to package (and fix) it as it deserves. By the way, Monty is asking for some Help saving MySQL [0]. [0] - http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
Once upon a time, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st said: b) The amount of code on your system that is CPU bound and/or memory-bound due to register pressure, to an extent that the x64 registers would make an appreciable difference is probably not that significant - kernel hotpots - graphics hotspots (X server perhaps) I havn't measured this, but nor have the people who say x86_64 is faster AFAICT, and there's plenty of experience to say that most software is far from CPU bound or memory bound. As soon as you bring in even one 64 bit user-space program that is run much, you've pulled in at least glibc and friends. At that point, you might as well run all (or as close to all as possible) 64 bit user-space, because the libraries are shared (code will be in the cache, etc.). The only time my systems have run 32 bit code in several years is for the Flash plugin (since the open-source plugins don't seem to be able to keep up and since the 64 bit Adobe plugin doesn't seem to get the security updates) and sometimes the Acrobat Reader plugin (since I've run into websites that assume they can embed PDFs in the page and AFAIK there's no plugin for Evince). Since both cases are not all that common in my every-day use, I don't hit the 32 bit libraries and such very often. Running a single-arch and single-lib system is more efficient. As for the RAM overhead of 64 bit code vs. 32 bit code, I don't see it much in the real world. I have one 32 bit desktop at work, and comparing the resident RAM usage between it and a 64 bit desktop, I don't see much difference in the common desktop programs. I know that for some reason PHP on 64 bit arches bloats up significantly (at least older versions), but that's the only major difference I've seen. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:53 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st writes: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Roland McGrath wrote: x86 is unlike other architectures because 64-bit also has twice as many registers as 32-bit. So you get to trade off the benefits of register allocation across more registers against the memory/cache footprint of 64-bit pointers. For what percentage of code is that an appreciable advantage? Pretty much everything, actually. The x86 ISA completely sucks. Indeed. Paul, take a look at the Intel 64 ISA and you'll see it's a very different beast. Intel fixed a lot of the issues with the (more than 20 year old really x86 ISA) and it's not simply a doubling of memory footprint because variable width instructions are used in the first place, and continue to be used in the newer ISA upgrade. Personally, I think anyone running i386 on x86_64 who isn't doing some kind of testing under KVM or similar is completely wasting their computing resources and should receive a free copy of the Intel documentation for the holidays ;) Jon. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
Once upon a time, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org said: Indeed. Paul, take a look at the Intel 64 ISA and you'll see it's a very different beast. Intel fixed a lot of the issues with the (more than 20 year old really x86 ISA) That would be AMD that fixed it, not Intel. Intel tried to push everybody to a new architecture (Itanium), while AMD revised and extended i386 to 64 bits. After Itanium failed to catch on in the marketplace, Intel had to copy AMD's work. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Chris Adams wrote: As soon as you bring in even one 64 bit user-space program that is run much, you've pulled in at least glibc and friends. At that point, you might as well run all (or as close to all as possible) 64 bit user-space, because the libraries are shared (code will be in the cache, etc.). That's assuming that the footprint of libraries relative to distinct applications is large enough to cancel out the space savings. (I have no data either way). A 64bit kernel doesn't need any 32bit userspace. An X server, on my 32bit system has about 8.5MB of programme text (server and libs) and loads about another 1.5MB worth of modules itself, i.e. 10MB. So if you ran a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel and X server, you'd lose out on about 10MB of shareable code. For comparison, my 32bit system has O(10) times that allocated to things like browsers and feed-readers. It's using 4.8GB in total (ex buffers/cache) apparently. Space for text (programmes, code) is simply insignificant these days, compared to the huge amounts of data which programmes allocate - data which sometimes includes a lot of pointers. You're also assuming that this cancels out the other benefits. The only time my systems have run 32 bit code in several years is for the Flash plugin (since the open-source plugins don't seem to be able to keep up and since the 64 bit Adobe plugin doesn't seem to get the security updates) and sometimes the Acrobat Reader plugin (since I've run into websites that assume they can embed PDFs in the page and AFAIK there's no plugin for Evince). It's interesting that both you and drago have almost always (to paraphrase) run 64bit pure systems. Surely that *reinforces* my point about the futility of 64bit pure systems as an achievable goal (in the aggregate across all reasonable uses of a distro), and i386 being a de-facto standard for software interfaces. As for the RAM overhead of 64 bit code vs. 32 bit code, I don't see it much in the real world. I have one 32 bit desktop at work, and comparing the resident RAM usage between it and a 64 bit desktop, I don't see much difference in the common desktop programs. That's the wrong comparison - compare the aggregate RAM usage, with each system in similar states. I know that for some reason PHP on 64 bit arches bloats up significantly (at least older versions), but that's the only major difference I've seen. Pointer rich data structures, likely.. Anyway, as I don't intend to contribute anything, I'll try stop making noise. Aside to the list: Thanks for all the hard-work on Fedora ;) regards, -- Paul Jakma p...@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: Dogs just don't seem to be able to tell the difference between important people and the rest of us. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What is public/private fork? - Criteria packaging in fedora
Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: I have forked libtar as libtar-ng, because the upstream does not have time to maintain it anymore. Here is the bz: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546169 Now the question is what is a private fork? Am i wrong in forking it and packaging in fedora? IMHO, this should be packaged, and in a way to Obsoletes/Provides: libtar as it's backwards-compatible and actually actively maintained unlike libtar. The Obsoletes/Provides should of course be versioned, so if a new libtar springs up at a later point (i.e. if the maintainer really goes back to actively developing it), it can be introduced instead of or in addition to the fork. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 19:02:55 -0200, Henrique Junior henrique...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, Monty is asking for some Help saving MySQL [0]. Monty can just go and fork it. The only limitation is that he won't be able to dual license it any more. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
I think he wants to be able to work on the dual licensed version... On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 19:02:55 -0200, Henrique Junior henrique...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, Monty is asking for some Help saving MySQL [0]. Monty can just go and fork it. The only limitation is that he won't be able to dual license it any more. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 16:19:54 -0600, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: That would be AMD that fixed it, not Intel. Intel tried to push everybody to a new architecture (Itanium), while AMD revised and extended i386 to 64 bits. After Itanium failed to catch on in the marketplace, Intel had to copy AMD's work. I expect that has a lot to do with AMD being open source friendly. If they had had to rely on Microsoft to get an OS to run on their machine, they probably would have failed as well. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to writes: Henrique Junior henrique...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, Monty is asking for some Help saving MySQL [0]. Monty can just go and fork it. The only limitation is that he won't be able to dual license it any more. Monty thinks it's impossible to make money off open source unless he can dual-license it. Setting aside various existence proofs to the contrary, the fact remains that he already SOLD the rights to dual-license MySQL, when he sold MySQL AB to Sun; and he made a pretty hefty amount of money doing so. Now he'd like the EU to force Oracle to give him back that right for free. This isn't so much about let's help save MySQL as it is about let's help Monty get a second bite of the apple. (FWIW, I completely agree with Monty that Oracle is likely to do their best to kill MySQL once they have it. But they can't kill the GPL'd version as long as people are willing to work on that. Evidently Monty isn't.) regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 00:20, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 16:19:54 -0600, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: That would be AMD that fixed it, not Intel. Intel tried to push everybody to a new architecture (Itanium), while AMD revised and extended i386 to 64 bits. After Itanium failed to catch on in the marketplace, Intel had to copy AMD's work. I expect that has a lot to do with AMD being open source friendly. If they had had to rely on Microsoft to get an OS to run on their machine, they probably would have failed as well. Actually i think the reason AMDs approach worked was because it was backward compatible with ix86 so instead of having to have an OS ready up front and people having to migrate wholesale customers could start upgrading to x86_64 processors slowly while still using 32bit OS. Then as 64bit OS becomes available people can use that whilst still enjoying their favorite apps that haven't yet been ported to 64bit. In short it was evolutionary rather than revolutionary. -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't... -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 00:32:15 +, John5342 john5...@googlemail.com wrote: Actually i think the reason AMDs approach worked was because it was backward compatible with ix86 so instead of having to have an OS ready up front and people having to migrate wholesale customers could start upgrading to x86_64 processors slowly while still using 32bit OS. Then as 64bit OS becomes available people can use that whilst still enjoying their favorite apps that haven't yet been ported to 64bit. In short it was evolutionary rather than revolutionary. I think that was also needed. But I don't think they would have been able to get traction in the server market without having the prompt linux / gcc support. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 19:27:42 -0500, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Monty thinks it's impossible to make money off open source unless he can dual-license it. Setting aside various existence proofs to the contrary, the fact remains that he already SOLD the rights to dual-license MySQL, when he sold MySQL AB to Sun; and he made a pretty hefty amount of money doing so. Now he'd like the EU to force Oracle to give him back that right for free. This isn't so much about let's help save MySQL as it is about let's help Monty get a second bite of the apple. (FWIW, I completely agree with Monty that Oracle is likely to do their best to kill MySQL once they have it. But they can't kill the GPL'd version as long as people are willing to work on that. Evidently Monty isn't.) I pretty much agree with all of the above. I don't feel sorry for Monty. With all of the money he got I wouldn't have expected money to be an issue. If he wants to work on a fork he can afford to, and if he doesn't want to work on one, money is unlikely to provide enough incentive to make him want to either. I don't really see a downside if Oracle does kill off new MySQL development, as Postgres has been better for a very long while and Postgres might get more / better out of the box support (and proper use) from open source applications. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 19:27:42 -0500, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Monty thinks it's impossible to make money off open source unless he can dual-license it. Setting aside various existence proofs to the contrary, the fact remains that he already SOLD the rights to dual-license MySQL, when he sold MySQL AB to Sun; and he made a pretty hefty amount of money doing so. Now he'd like the EU to force Oracle to give him back that right for free. This isn't so much about let's help save MySQL as it is about let's help Monty get a second bite of the apple. (FWIW, I completely agree with Monty that Oracle is likely to do their best to kill MySQL once they have it. But they can't kill the GPL'd version as long as people are willing to work on that. Evidently Monty isn't.) I pretty much agree with all of the above. I don't feel sorry for Monty. With all of the money he got I wouldn't have expected money to be an issue. If he wants to work on a fork he can afford to, and if he doesn't want to work on one, money is unlikely to provide enough incentive to make him want to either. I don't really see a downside if Oracle does kill off new MySQL development, as Postgres has been better for a very long while and Postgres might get more / better out of the box support (and proper use) from open source applications. I dunno. While I did push for the CMS project I work on to support PostgreSQL, I personally think that Postgres is huge overkill for most things. It can also be a huge PITA to set up. Whenever I have to test Postgres stuff, I usually grab EnterpriseDB's distribution because I don't want to suffer hell setting it up on the various platforms I have to test on. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Anyone else want to maintain alltray?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I want to take it Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi It is a application that lets you minimize any app to the system tray and is compatible with GNOME, Xfce, KDE etc. It has a dormant upstream and I haven't had time to look into all the crash reports from Abrt. If noone picks it up, I will orphan it in a week. $ yum info alltray Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Available Packages Name : alltray Arch : i686 Version: 0.70 Release: 4.fc12 Size : 62 k Repo : fedora Summary: Dock any application in the tray URL: http://alltray.sourceforge.net/ License: GPLv2+ Rahul - -- Regards, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala, RHCE, CCNA (IRC: huzaifas) IT Desktop RD Lead. Global Help Desk, Pune (India) Phone: +91 20 4005 7322 (UTC +5.5) GnuPG Fingerprint: 3A0F DAFB 9279 02ED 273B FFE9 CC70 DCF2 DA5B DAE5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLJbIJzHDc8tpb2uURAp5wAKCYrStfIZKX1ZVfxGvUmf8sb39ZiQCaAtEC nwXZCdvX+RNrUo7OGYYzCCo= =147O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: MariaDB and Fedora
On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Sir Gallantmon wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I dunno. While I did push for the CMS project I work on to support PostgreSQL, I personally think that Postgres is huge overkill for most things. It can also be a huge PITA to set up. Whenever I have to test Postgres stuff, I usually grab EnterpriseDB's distribution because I don't want to suffer hell setting it up on the various platforms I have to test on. As a DBA / Developer, I second this... obviously I can't complain because they are both free. However the setup/configuration of postgreSQL compared to MySQL is basically something easy, versus something where I don't have a clue what is going on, and there are million ways to do it, and when I'm done I have no idea if I'm wide open to the entire world, or as secure as on MySQL. There are a few other odd bits too, I mean I really don't get the purpose of copying template1, what is that? etc etc etc... MySQL is just more intuitive.-- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
cvs.fedora.redhat.com
Some of you that have very old checkouts (I'm looking at you Domsch!) might still be trying to contact cvs.fedora.redhat.com. If you try to use cvs in the future and it's not working suddenly, make sure your CVSROOT points to cvs.fedoraproject.org and do a fresh checkout. -Mike -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Exception request from FESCo for bundled libaries
2009/12/6, Adrian Reber adr...@lisas.de: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544720 This is not a lib! -- Josephine Fine Tannhäuser 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686.PAE -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)
Hi. On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:35:27 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: The only time my systems have run 32 bit code in several years is for the Flash plugin (since the open-source plugins don't seem to be able to keep up and since the 64 bit Adobe plugin doesn't seem to get the security updates) It does. There may not be a yum repo for it, but the last update was some days ago to 10.0 r42, similar to the 32 bit version. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab] TAPR Open Hardware License
Hi, --- On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH chitl...@fedoraproject.org wrote: | These should be added in the latex document we discussed earlier. It | would be much easier to access, don't you think ? \-- We can create a git project repo for the above documentation workflows in https://fedorahosted.org? I shall then make a project request to them. The documentation and code will be in CC-license? Let me know, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list Fedora-electronic-lab-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list
[Bug 540833] [abrt] crash detected in nautilus-2.28.1-4.fc12
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540833 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Component|nautilus|pango CC||besfa...@redhat.com, ||fedora-fonts-bugs-l...@redh ||at.com, mcla...@redhat.com AssignedTo|tbza...@redhat.com |besfa...@redhat.com --- Comment #2 from Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com 2009-12-13 22:44:06 EDT --- Crash in pango -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 546490] fontconfig updates changes my emacs font from DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546490 --- Comment #6 from Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com 2009-12-13 23:25:25 EDT --- (In reply to comment #5) How about removing baekmuk*fonts? I'm not sure what you are asking me here. Well I was mostly wondering why you have font installed. Did you install Korean support? I meant you could remove baekmuk-ttf-gulim-fonts as root with yum remove baekmuk-ttf-gulim-fonts even all baekmuk*fonts. (For Korean un-core actually provides better fonts.) That doesn't solve any supposed problem of course but might be a workaround at least. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 546490] fontconfig updates changes my emacs font from DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546490 --- Comment #7 from Joseph Shraibman j...@iname.com 2009-12-14 00:14:03 EDT --- I'm not sure why the fonts are installed. This computer has been upgraded from one Fedora version to another for a long time. I just removed the fonts and remmed out the part of my .emacs that set the font and the problem went away. I then reinstalled them and the problem came back. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 545701] [kn_IN] Pango doesn't render 0c95+0ccd+0c95+0c97 combination properly
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545701 --- Comment #1 from Shankar Prasad svenk...@redhat.com 2009-12-14 02:04:35 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=378152) -- (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=378152) shows the actual and correct rendering The earlier screenshot had some errors. Here is the correct one. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 545701] [kn_IN] Pango doesn't render 0c95+0ccd+0c95+0c97 combination properly
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545701 Shankar Prasad svenk...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #377107|0 |1 is obsolete|| -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 546490] fontconfig-2.8.0-1 changes default Emacs font from DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=546490 Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED Version|11 |12 Summary|fontconfig updates changes |fontconfig-2.8.0-1 changes |my emacs font from DejaVu |default Emacs font from |Sans Mono to Baekmuk Gulim |DejaVu Sans Mono to Baekmuk ||Gulim --- Comment #8 from Jens Petersen peter...@redhat.com 2009-12-14 02:11:08 EDT --- Yes I can reproduce also on F12, and reverting to fontconfig-2.7.3 fixes the problem. (For me baekmuk-ttf-gulim-fonts got pulled in by the openoffice.org langpack for Korean FWIW.) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
RE: Notebook compatability with FC12 x86_64.
Добрый день Проверил Win 7 у себя на ноутбуке (стояла сразу win 7? visna ul, xp, fedora10) проблема на апаратах даже таких брендов как ASUS невсегда подходить драва и програмное обеспечение, много проблем с настройкой (что работает на компьютере то неработает на лаптопе) Thank you for your reply Miguel Perez. I had again the Windows 7 installed because I needed to work and with a OS a little corrupted it's impossible. I will put the live CD again and install again, for diagnose. I had tried the 32-bit, still problems with the harddrive detection, the wireless/bt thing, plus the same kernel errors. No firefox because the addins for firefox is for 32bit system, but that is a adobe problem, not firefox or FC12 problem. Everything you may need of info to improve the FC (or try to improve) at least to my model, please ask. Also I'm sorry for the duplicate e-mails, I'm still getting used to this kind of mailing list. It will not happen again. Best Regards, Márcio Teixeira Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:29:37 +0100 Subject: Re: FW: Notebook compatability with FC12 x86_64. From: mang...@gmail.com To: m_m_...@hotmail.com CC: fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com Hi Márcio, Seems that you got a not-well-supported laptop. Googling around a bit i've seen that a lot of people needed to disable acpi to make it work, so if you did that don't expect any acpi-related thing to work. 2009/12/10 Márcio Teixeira m_m_...@hotmail.com Good Afternoon I tried all your releases, since the FC11 x86_64 and none of them I can put it working correctly with my Asus M51TR notebook. The shortcuts from the keyboard doesn't work correctly, I can shutdown the Wireless via the shortcut but not the BT, that stays always ON; Everytime I start the FC11 and FC12 it gives me kernel errors, even with the updates made via FC update funcionality; Maybe you could attach those messages in next posts, maybe someone has a clue about them. You can do this in a console to get the messages into a file: dmesg dmesg.txt Harddrive controllers doesn't are correctly detected. The other problems are problems related with the Firefox add-ins that aren't compatible with a 64bit OS (Flash and Shockwave problems). You have further instructions here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash That kind of problems make me only have a Linux installed in my NB for only 24 hours MAX. I'd like to change from the crappy Windows for a more powerful and reliable OS, but unfortunely FC doesn't are a walk in a park in my situation. Doesn't someone have any tips that can provide me to help me? If 64-bit distro version is not working properly for you maybe 32-bit version will do it, ¿did you tried? Best Regards Márcio Teixeira Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you. -- Mensaje reenviado -- From: Márcio Teixeira m_m_...@hotmail.com To: fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:20:22 + Subject: Notebook compatability with FC12 x86_64. Good Afternoon I tried all your releases, since the FC11 x86_64 and none of them I can put it working correctly with my Asus M51TR notebook. The shortcuts from the keyboard doesn't work correctly, I can shutdown the Wireless via the shortcut but not the BT, that stays always ON; Everytime I start the FC11 and FC12 it gives me kernel errors, even with the updates made via FC update funcionality; Harddrive controllers doesn't are correctly detected. The other problems are problems related with the Firefox add-ins that aren't compatible with a 64bit OS (Flash and Shockwave problems). That kind of problems make me only have a Linux installed in my NB for only 24 hours MAX. I'd like to change from the crappy Windows for a more powerful and reliable OS, but unfortunely FC doesn't are a walk in a park in my situation. Doesn't someone have any tips that can provide me to help me? Best Regards Márcio Teixeira Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Please define effective license (for the love of consistency)
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:45:11 -0800, Julius wrote: ps. My email is more of a personal tangential thought I'm having and not really relevant to Orcan's original questions since it doesn't have any implications for what to put in the RPM license tag! Still, what to put in the License: tag has implications with regard to the compatibility of the programs. It is especially important for the A may use B relation which is relevant when linking program A with library B. And when _copying_ code from program A to program B, proper license conversion ought to be applied in the program's source code as explained in the appendix of the license files, and e.g. following the compatibility matrix and other QA in the FSF's GPL FAQ: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html You cannot hide GPLv2 only files in a GPLv2+ library, for example, and use this with a GPLv3 program. Once more, conversion of licenses is not implicit or automatic. Even if we say our License: tags are not legally binding, it is not us to override the actual licensing that is applied to a program in the source files and in accompanying documentation. GPLv2 only and LGPL files _may_ be converted to apply the GPLv2+, but somebody needs to do that. Explicitly. And as explained in the appendix to the license terms. Related to Orcan's initial post, the software developer has replied to me. The program is supposed to apply the GPLv2 only and any GPLv2+ and LGPL references are not supposed to be there. The author also pointed out that he doesn't like the or later clause in general. Whether and when the source code archive will be fixed, is another question. Here's my attempt at answering Orcan's question: 1. If source contains at least one GPL source code file (but let's ignore header files) That exception is inacceptable already. So-called header files are source code, too, particularly if they contain inline functions and/or define structures and other non-basic types. ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Please define effective license (for the love of consistency)
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:29:57 -0800 Julius Davies juliusdav...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Maybe the overall master copyright license for the Fedora compilation causes every single GPL+ compatible file inside Fedora to be licensed as GPL+ ? So every LGPL, BSD, MIT file which *can* be relicensed in this way *is even if such a relicensing is unnecessary for license compliance? Take a look at this file on your Fedora CDROM: ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/linux/releases/12/Everything/i386/os/GPL --- * The following copyright applies to the Fedora compilation and any portions of Fedora it does not conflict with. Whenever this policy does conflict with the copyright of any individual portion of Fedora, it does not apply. * GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991 [Rest of file is verbatim copy of GPLv2 license.] --- I haven't been following this thread closely, but this reference to GPLv2 is a licensing bug - an erroneous holdover from the RHL era, and should not have been included. I can say categorically that any global copyright license for the Fedora compilation is intended to have no effect on the licensing of Fedora packages. - RF -- Richard E. Fontana Open Source Licensing and Patent Counsel Red Hat, Inc. ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Legal aspects of fedora based appliances
Am Mittwoch, den 09.12.2009, 19:19 -0500 schrieb Paul W. Frields: On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 10:22:07PM +0100, Fabian Deutsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 09.12.2009, 16:14 -0500 schrieb Paul W. Frields: On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 09:57:10PM +0100, Fabian Deutsch wrote: Hello. Fedora contains various tools for appliance creation. AFAIK it is intended that Fedora shall be used as a base for various appliances ISVs or OEMs want to create. But there is there some legal-guide which summarizes the legal aspects of Fedora based appliances e.g. when I want to distribute a Fedora AOS with some proprietary software? (As some kind of media-center). I'm assuming you mean guidance on whether, and how, these types of appliances can use the Fedora name and associated trademarks. You can find our full trademark guidelines here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines The particular section on appliances and OS images is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Virtual_images_or_appliances_with_unmodified_Fedora_software https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Virtual_images_or_appliances_with_combinations_of_Fedora_software_with_non-Fedora_or_modified_Fedora_software The usage of the Fedora tardemark is just one point. There are more questions (for me at least :) ), like: Will a appliance providers have to keep the sources of all distributed packages, even if they are official Fedora packages? Spot or someone else will correct me if I go wrong here, but because the Fedora Project ships source pursuant to the requirements of the GPLv2 section 3(a), downstream remixers cannot simply point to the Fedora Project for source distribution (as in section 3(c)). This is intentional and unlikely to change in the near future. Also, section 3(c) as I understand it is not workable for commercial redistributors. Okay. Thansk to clarify this. The best solution I can imagine is for downstream remixers to simply prepare the matching source collection, and offer it at the same point of distribution under GPL 3(a) as well. IANAL, TINLA, and so forth. But remixers could use the srpms, provided in the official Fedora spins, to build some custom appliance-spin? fabian ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12
Thanks to Chris Smart, Peter Danenberg and others, I have been able to install Fedora 12 as the sole O/S on my Macbook Air (first generation). However the wirless networking is not enabled. I am following the instructions in http://docs.fedoraproject.org/wireless-guide/f12/en-US/html-single/#chap-Wireless_Guide-Fedora_And_Wireless . There was no wireless device shown in the network Configuration, so I clicked New and added a device for hardware Apple Airport. I also tried adding wireless device on the Hardware tab (eth0), but although it allows me to do this, after I save and then reopen the Network Configuration, the hardware only shows a device pan0 of Type Ethernet (which was there from the start). It does appear on the Devices tab (it didn't originally until I added it), but has staus of inactive, and no means to activate it. However, even after restarting the computer, the wireless icon on the panel says there are no network devices available. So I tried removing the device from control by NetworkManager, and activated it manually. But then I get: Device eth0 does seem to be present, delaying initalization. What do I need to do? -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fwd: su/kdesu not working [SOLVED]
I am so happy you have no idea!!! ok so the solution was to remove coreutils without removing it since it requires removing about the entire os. solution found here http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2006-10/msg00759.html rpm -e --nodeps --justdb coreutils yum install coreutils and everything is just like new! thanks everyone who tried to help. YB. ---BeginMessage--- I am sorry to have to post this problem to the list, but I got no answer in the forum, and couldn't find one elsewere. I can login as root. when trying to su to root using su or su - i get su: incorrect password following some threads I added my user to the wheel group and tried to edit /etc/sudoers using visudo with no luck on both. also tried to edit /etc/pam.d/su again with no luck. I really need a solution since many operations can't be done without su normally. thanks alot YB. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines ---End Message--- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
I've been running F11 pretty much since it came out. It worked well. I upgraded to F12 earlier this evening. For whatever reason it will not start an X session. I think the problem is that I was using the nvidia driver and kmod can't get an internet connection due to wifi not finding a network connection but when I change my xorg.conf file to use nouveau it doesn't work either. I think i could rectify the situation if I ran yum update but I don't have a wifi connection from the console session. How does one administer a wifi connection from the command line in F12 ? I know my SSID, etc, but how do I set it from the command line ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 13/12/2009 09:34, linux guy a écrit : I've been running F11 pretty much since it came out. It worked well. I upgraded to F12 earlier this evening. For whatever reason it will not start an X session. I think the problem is that I was using the nvidia driver and kmod can't get an internet connection due to wifi not finding a network connection but when I change my xorg.conf file to use nouveau it doesn't work either. I think i could rectify the situation if I ran yum update but I don't have a wifi connection from the console session. How does one administer a wifi connection from the command line in F12 ? I know my SSID, etc, but how do I set it from the command line ? man iwconfig - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkskqCIACgkQdE6C2dhV2JUOgQCfd1gX2Tr5XQTYq8nx2FteFnnC oVAAoIV8Q7TRhOlxM5EMhNCvTqFXVgwd =Pp8S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reuse /home when installing fresh?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 13/12/2009 03:49, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu a écrit : Hi All, When I move up to a new Fedora release, I always start with a clean home folder and then selectively copy in application settings (personal data is moved over whole sale). I've been doing this for a long time now because in the past I've had problems with crashing/misbehaving applications and a general instability in the Gnome desktop when I've reused my old home folder blindly. I'm about to move up to Fedora 12 - I'm currently using Fedora 11. Should I be just as cautious as I have been in the past, or can I just keep my entire home folder and use it as is? FYI: I don't format the /home LV when I install a new release. I never change my /home partition when I upgrade (since fc6 at least) *but* I have an automatic backup of my data on separate HD... - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkskqSwACgkQdE6C2dhV2JWjigCgpNaGTLPmQ+VWPlglEmz3jawv hcQAoIxnPBvWpUBZRHHp9WOP/inDxPAz =D9Tv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fwd: su/kdesu not working [SOLVED]
On 12/13/2009 09:22 AM, Dj YB wrote: I am so happy you have no idea!!! ok so the solution was to remove coreutils without removing it since it requires removing about the entire os. solution found here http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2006-10/msg00759.html rpm -e --nodeps --justdb coreutils yum install coreutils Or: instead of rpm -e and yum install: yum reinstall coreutils -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
iwconfig lets me set the various parameters of an interface, but how do I start that interface such that the router assigns it an IP and DNS works ? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 rpm of grub2 completely broken
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:13:25 -0500, Gene wrote: I did have F12 installed, 64 bit version, but it was (pick a number * 10) slower than the 32 bit F10 install. Based on what measurements? What tools did you use to determine that it was slower? The only reason I loaded F12 in the first place was to get an updated for the man-in-the-middle exploit of openssh as supplied for F10. openssh? OpenSSL CVE-2009-3555 it seems. See below: You had a bit over 60 days to fix that from the exploit announcement in (I think) late Sept 2009, to the end of F10 support yesterday and when I queried fedora-list about it a couple of weeks back was essentially told to go pound sand, it wasn't going to be fixed. You were pointed at the related FAQ: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/533125#c37 You might want to read the following, too, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/484417 (which is only half the story as actually they applied an experimental fix in middle November only to change their mind in early December when they reverted the patch again). None of this has anything to do with you trying an optional boot loader in Fedora 10 more than a year after it had been published and requesting a fix asap. Perhaps that package has never worked for Fedora 10. Perhaps it has not been tested by any substantial number of people even after its release in Fedora 10, because if the primary [legacy] GRUB still does its job, there is not much incentive to try the development version before it will become the distribution's primary choice, too. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I load mp3s on my iPhone in F12 ? And other iPhone/F12 questions.
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 20:23 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Tethering can be done on jailbroken phones or on some very limited set of carriers blessed by Apple. Apple and ATT say they will eventually support tethering, but not for a while yet, AFAIK (and it wouldn't surprise me if there was an upcharge). Carriers in the UK do allow tethering, and of course they charge for it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I load mp3s on my iPhone in F12 ? And other iPhone/F12 questions.
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 17:38 -0600, Peter Danenberg wrote: Quoth Patrick O'Callaghan on Sweetmorn, the 54th of The Aftermath: Alternatively, you could jailbreak the phone and copy files using scp. I don't know if the phone will then recognize them as something it can play, but I wouldn't bet on it. I was able to use gtkpod[1] on a jailbroken iphone to transfer music, manage playlists, photos, etc. I was under the impression that gtkpod didn't yet support the iPhone. The webpage doesn't appear to mention it explicitly. Glad to see I was wrong. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 23:48 +, Sam Sharpe wrote: ... but that announcement was for 11:00 UTC 12/12/2009 - which is still well before your message saying it started in 20 minutes (which You're quite right. I was reading 11:00 as pm (it was late :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I load mp3s on my iPhone in F12 ? And other iPhone/F12 questions.
Quoth Patrick O'Callaghan on Boomtime, the 55th of The Aftermath: I was under the impression that gtkpod didn't yet support the iPhone. The webpage doesn't appear to mention it explicitly. Glad to see I was wrong. My sense is that support is still unofficial; but I did have some success, nevertheless. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Suddenly print serving has stopped {SOLVED ??]
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 22:00 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: I am top posting to illustrate a problem. No you're not. Top-posting always involves a reply. You simply posted a new message and quoted another message in support of what you say. Nothing wrong with that. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 01:59 -0700, linux guy wrote: iwconfig lets me set the various parameters of an interface, but how do I start that interface such that the router assigns it an IP and DNS works ? NM can be configured to activate on boot, without waiting for a login, so system-config-network from a console ought to do it. I say ought to because when I tried it I got a completely different dialogue from the usual one, which is disconcerting. I've no idea why that should be. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora 12: No flash plugin
Hello all, I'm new to Fedora and am trying to get everything working on a fresh Fedora 12 install. Based on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash I tried to install the Flash plugin. But when I try u -c 'rpm -ivh adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm' I get the following: error: open of adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm failed: No such file or directory Did anyone experience a similar problem? Simon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12: No flash plugin
--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Simon Schneebeli simon.schneeb...@okko.org wrote: From: Simon Schneebeli simon.schneeb...@okko.org Subject: Fedora 12: No flash plugin To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 4:21 AM Hello all, I'm new to Fedora and am trying to get everything working on a fresh Fedora 12 install. Based on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash I tried to install the Flash plugin. But when I try u -c 'rpm -ivh adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm' I get the following: error: open of adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm failed: No such file or directory Did anyone experience a similar problem? Simon Maybe a typo? Try # rpm -ivh http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/adobe-release/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm # rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-adobe-linux then # yum install flash-plugin Report back to see if this did the trick. There are many excellent pages out there to help users like FedoraFaq, and FedoraForum as well. There is also the following page which has been very helpful for many users: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f12.html Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12: No flash plugin
On 12/13/2009 01:21 PM, Simon Schneebeli wrote: Hello all, I'm new to Fedora and am trying to get everything working on a fresh Fedora 12 install. Based on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash I tried to install the Flash plugin. But when I try u -c 'rpm -ivh adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm' I get the following: error: open of adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm failed: No such file or directory Did anyone experience a similar problem? Simon rpm -ivh http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/adobe-release/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
I think i could rectify the situation if I ran yum update but I don't have a wifi connection from the console session. How does one administer a wifi connection from the command line in F12 ? I know my SSID, etc, but how do I set it from the command line ? If you have it installed by any chance, cnetworkmanager does a great job for this. If not, you could just yumdownloader cnetworkmanager on another machine and copy the RPM over with an USB stick and install it, all dependencies should be met when you installed a normal desktop system. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
linux as router
Hi list This is the first time I have to configure linux as router. I have a single network card for which I gave to IPs eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9 inet addr:41.231.X.Y Bcast:41.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::211:5bff:fe72:7fd9/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2595 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2295 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1876353 (1.7 MiB) TX bytes:328059 (320.3 KiB) Interrupt:21 Base address:0x8000 eth0:1Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9 inet addr:192.168.10.10 Bcast:192.168.10.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Interrupt:21 Base address:0x8000 and this is the default route [r...@routeur ~]# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 41.231.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 192.168.10.0* 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1002 00 eth0 default 41.231.2.81 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 The problem now, is when I configure a PC with an IP adress 192.168.10.X and I put the gateway as 192.168.10.10, I do not succeed to ping any PC. How can I route all the packages from eth0:1 to eth0?? note that I have configured the ip forward. echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Can you help me please. regards -- http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/ -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique 1001 Tunis Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Daily Kernel Panics
--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: From: Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru Subject: Re: Daily Kernel Panics To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 AM 2009/12/12 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com: On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote: 2009/12/11 Steven Sternsubscribed-li...@sterndata.com: How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox and doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and scroll locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get logged. Abrt doesn't see it after restart. I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then) getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem. Specifically, I did yum erase glx-utils This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but it did work for me. Best wishes, T -- Steve The same here: Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've already asked the question on this list (haven't received any responses). How do you know it's kernel panic? When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and scroll-light both flash. What's really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets really weird and scares the cats. -- Steve Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system is much more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video is ATI [2] with driver 'ati' [3]. Footmarks: 1. ~]$ uptime 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18 2. ~]$ lspci [--SNIP--] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:48 +0100, Julian Aloofi wrote: I think i could rectify the situation if I ran yum update but I don't have a wifi connection from the console session. How does one administer a wifi connection from the command line in F12 ? I know my SSID, etc, but how do I set it from the command line ? If you have it installed by any chance, cnetworkmanager does a great job for this. If not, you could just yumdownloader cnetworkmanager on another machine and copy the RPM over with an USB stick and install it, all dependencies should be met when you installed a normal desktop system. Excellent. I wish I known about this earlier. The idea that a fundamental component of the system should be controlled primarily via a GUI has always bothered me. It's just not the Unix Way (tm). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Real Audio on F12
I'm experiencing considerable frustration trying to get Real Audio files to play. I dl'ed the x686 binary from real.com on my netbook and tried the realplay command on a .ram file, but just I get this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave despite the fact that PA seems to be working (i.e. the tests work, Flash audio works etc.). What do people use to listen to Real Audio? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Julian Aloofi julian.fedorali...@googlemail.com wrote: I think i could rectify the situation if I ran yum update but I don't have a wifi connection from the console session. How does one administer a wifi connection from the command line in F12 ? I know my SSID, etc, but how do I set it from the command line ? If you have it installed by any chance, cnetworkmanager does a great job for this. If not, you could just yumdownloader cnetworkmanager on another machine and copy the RPM over with an USB stick and install it, all dependencies should be met when you installed a normal desktop system. I installed cnetwork manager and I can't get a wifi connection for some reason. I invoke cnetworkmanager -C myISSD options and hangs. So I got out a network cable and plugged into my router. I can ping the router the router just fine (192.168.0.1) but as soon as I try to reach anything beyond that (ping www.google.com) I get an unknown host error. Why and how do I fix that ? cnetworkmanager shows eth0 to up activated. Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cursor of konsole hides last character
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:45 PM, H. Willstrand h.willstr...@gmail.com wrote: Is there some workaround to prevent the cursor of konsole (KDE) of hiding the last character typed? I've never seen Konsole doing what you describe, but you might try Settings - Edit current settings in the menu and tweak it to your preference. Maybe the color settings are garbled or something? Thanks, Marko. I tried some tweaking through Settings - Edit current settings, but no success. I am attaching a screen-shot, which shows the problem. Seams to be a font issue, try System settings - Appearance - Font - Force font DPI = 96DPI or other alternatives to see if things gets better. Thanks, H. Willstrand. Changing DPI improves the situation, in fact. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
Le dimanche 13 décembre 2009 à 14:33 +, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : I'm experiencing considerable frustration trying to get Real Audio files to play. I dl'ed the x686 binary from real.com on my netbook and tried the realplay command on a .ram file, but just I get this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave despite the fact that PA seems to be working (i.e. the tests work, Flash audio works etc.). What do people use to listen to Real Audio? poc Hi, did you tried to use a player provided by Fedora or RPM Fusion instead? You should first try with mplayer for example. Some Real streams may requires win32/win64 extra codecs, and mplayer will signale this in this case. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 01:59 -0700, linux guy wrote: iwconfig lets me set the various parameters of an interface, but how do I start that interface such that the router assigns it an IP and DNS works ? NM can be configured to activate on boot, without waiting for a login, so system-config-network from a console ought to do it. I say ought to because when I tried it I got a completely different dialogue from the usual one, which is disconcerting. I've no idea why that should be. I got a network connection working. whew ! I ran system-config-network from the command line. DHCP wasn't enabled for eth0. I enabled it and wala, I got an IP address and I can ping outside my local network. Yum update is running right now. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
linux guy - Sunday 13 December 2009 15:34:41: I installed cnetwork manager and I can't get a wifi connection for some reason. I invoke cnetworkmanager -C myISSD options and hangs. If you're connecting to a wireless network you need: cnetworkmanager -C yourSSID --SECURITY where SECURITY can be: --unprotected for an unprotected network --wep-pass=PASSWORD for WEP secured networks --wpa-pass=PASSWORD for WPA secured networks e.g. $cnetworkmanager -C mynetwork --wpa-pass=hqlo2547 Note that it doesn't support static IP adresses yet, that may be a problem. So I got out a network cable and plugged into my router. I can ping the router the router just fine (192.168.0.1) but as soon as I try to reach anything beyond that (ping www.google.com) I get an unknown host error. Why and how do I fix that ? cnetworkmanager shows eth0 to up activated. I have no clue about this though, I'm just happy when all lamps are blinking on my router ;) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
Why do not ask your admin to install VirtualBox for you so you can install F12 on as a virtual machine if you have enough RAM (2GB - 1GB for XP, one for F12) ;) -- -- Grzegorz Witkowski :: gesli...@gmail.com :Gadu-Gadu: 5942122 :ICQ: 427096157 :Skype: gesirl -- 01000111 01100101 01110011 01100011 0111 0111 01100101 http://counter.li.org #239224 Registration 2001-10-29 07:19:32 -= GNU/Linux - The Experience of Freedom =- -Original Message- From: Alan Milnes a...@linux.com Reply-to: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:35:00 + 2009/11/28 john wendel jwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan attachment: face-wink.png-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 1 update available and no updates available
As root you can try: # yum clean all # yum check-update # yum update -- -- Grzegorz Witkowski :: gesli...@gmail.com :Gadu-Gadu: 5942122 :ICQ: 427096157 :Skype: gesirl -- 01000111 01100101 01110011 01100011 0111 0111 01100101 http://counter.li.org #239224 Registration 2001-10-29 07:19:32 -= GNU/Linux - The Experience of Freedom =- -Original Message- From: Allan Dreyer Andersen sw...@swoop.dk Reply-to: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: 1 update available and no updates available Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:25:15 +0100 On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:13:10 -0600 Hi Steve Try yum clean metadata then yum update (not upgrade). Thank you for quick answer. Clean metadate gives: Indlæste udvidelsesmoduler: presto, refresh-packagekit 32 metadata filer slettet 17 sqlite filer slettet 0 metadata filer slettet And the 'yum update' gives no update available but the little orange star still apears on my menu. -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Allan Dreyer Andersen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: f12 updates kernel nomodeset option breaks radeon
Hi John, My F12 worked perfectly on my ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] with no xorg.conf from the first day. After couple of updates compiz started crashing and xrandr stopped recognizing settings properly. I used xorg.conf for a while only as a work around. Now after couple of recent udpates, I found that it works fine again with no xorg.conf except I need to xrandr -s 0 to restore settings for my display and I had to edit settings for compiz to make it work properly again. -- -- Grzegorz Witkowski :: gesli...@gmail.com :Gadu-Gadu: 5942122 :ICQ: 427096157 :Skype: gesirl -- 01000111 01100101 01110011 01100011 0111 0111 01100101 http://counter.li.org #239224 Registration 2001-10-29 07:19:32 -= GNU/Linux - The Experience of Freedom =- -Original Message- From: Skunk Worx skunkw...@verizon.net Reply-to: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: f12 updates kernel nomodeset option breaks radeon Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:27:59 -0800 After updates today my radeon driver does not start properly if the kernel nomodeset option is used. The X log has a message : Couldn't find valid PLL dividers Good news though in other areas : --I can shell into the machine with ssh, it's not a hard crash. --If I set up the kernel with rhgb quiet and do not use the nomodeset option X starts up normally. --I no longer need an xorg.conf with XAA accel enabled to prevent X crashes. EXA seems to be working reliably now. (I previously reported that www.newegg.com and wiki.centos.org were crashing X with EXA enabled.) EXA seems stable with kernel modesetting though...great! Smolt : http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_2eb94c68-e819-4003-aa96-47783092c4ab --- John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Installation Guide: a brief rant
On 12/13/2009 09:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Am I alone in finding the Fedora Installation Guide at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/ almost completely useless? The only installation method described with any clarity is the creation and use of a Fedora DVD. But everything necessary in this case could be written on the back of a stamp, or certainly on one web-page. Too much information is almost as bad as no information. This document contains hundreds of pages of completely useless or irrelevant information for anyone seeking to install Fedora. What I would like to see is a document that starts by saying, There are 7 ways of installing Fedora on a computer. These are ..., and they are described in the following 7 chapters. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f12/en-US/html/pr01s02.html Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Strange error with yum update
Christoph Wickert wrote on 12.12.2009 23:41: Am Samstag, den 12.12.2009, 22:10 + schrieb John Lagrue: At first glance this look simple, but it seems to be telling me there's an error. Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE is needed by (installed) kmod-nvidia-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE-190.42-1.fc11.1.i686 Complete! (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report']) Anyone got any idea of what's wrong? No -- I'd need more output from yum to see what's wrong. There is a new kernel out but the kmod for it is not yet available at rpmfusion. That's not the case from what I can see. And the -102 kmod are in the repos since a few days already. Seems a local, already installed package is the troublemaker here for some strange reason :-/ CU knurd -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Does GRUB 0.97 support ext4 filesystems?
As per topic. -- Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Dip(Mechatronics) BEng(Hons)(Mechanical Engineering) Alma Maters: (1) Singapore Polytechnic (2) National University of Singapore My Primary Blog: http://teo-en-ming-aka-zhang-enming.blogspot.com My Secondary Blog: http://enmingteo.wordpress.com My Youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/enmingteo Email: space.time.unive...@gmail.com Mobile Phone (Starhub Prepaid): +65-8369-2618 Street: Bedok Reservoir Road Country: Singapore -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Daily Kernel Panics
On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisivery-c...@rambler.ru wrote: From: Hiisivery-c...@rambler.ru Subject: Re: Daily Kernel Panics To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 AM 2009/12/12 Steven Sternsubscribed-li...@sterndata.com: On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote: 2009/12/11 Steven Sternsubscribed-li...@sterndata.com: How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox and doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and scroll locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get logged. Abrt doesn't see it after restart. I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then) getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem. Specifically, I did yum erase glx-utils This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but it did work for me. Best wishes, T -- Steve The same here: Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've already asked the question on this list (haven't received any responses). How do you know it's kernel panic? When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and scroll-light both flash. What's really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets really weird and scares the cats. -- Steve Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system is much more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video is ATI [2] with driver 'ati' [3]. Footmarks: 1. ~]$ uptime 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18 2. ~]$ lspci [--SNIP--] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing glx-utils removes all of compiz! 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] -- Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Daily Kernel Panics
2009/12/13 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com: On 12/13/2009 07:25 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisivery-c...@rambler.ru wrote: --SNIP-- I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then) getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem. Specifically, I did yum erase glx-utils This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but it did work for me. Best wishes, T --SNIP-- I do have an ATI card. I'll try turning off desktop effects. Removing glx-utils removes all of compiz! Yes! And I can live without it and without emerald themes. So, I did 'yum erase glx-utils'... -- Steve -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Omega 12 Release Candidate 1
On 11/12/09 20:18, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Omega, a Fedora Remix has a RC1 out for your feedback. http://omega.dgplug.org/12/Live/i686/tmp/Omega-12-i686-Live-RC1.iso I downloaded and used liveusb-creator to copy to a flash drive, that booted and ran, set up printer and printed a pdf crossword puzzle to the laser printer. All of that pretty simple once I realized the printer was out of paper! It looks like I will have to install flash to print the other puzzles I usually work. But that's always an extra it seems. All worked as expected and with little effort. Next to use that flash drive to install F-12 on this F-11 computer. Your work is much appreciated. Thanks. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I upgraded to F12 and I can only run a console session. Help ! (wifii administration from a console ?)
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 15:57 +0100, Julian Aloofi wrote: linux guy - Sunday 13 December 2009 15:34:41: I installed cnetwork manager and I can't get a wifi connection for some reason. I invoke cnetworkmanager -C myISSD options and hangs. If you're connecting to a wireless network you need: cnetworkmanager -C yourSSID --SECURITY where SECURITY can be: --unprotected for an unprotected network --wep-pass=PASSWORD for WEP secured networks --wpa-pass=PASSWORD for WPA secured networks e.g. $cnetworkmanager -C mynetwork --wpa-pass=hqlo2547 Yeah, I used the security options, that is why I had options in my command above. It didn't work. Fortunately my cabled connection did work and yum update fixed everything. I am now running F12 with zero problems. Thanks for the help. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Auto-Mounting of Kingston MicroSD USB reader fails
Greetings, I'm currently running F12 on two systems - a Dell 600 Inspiron laptop w/ the 686 rpms and a home-built dual-core x86_64. On the laptop my usb-devices are identified and mount properly (a Sony 8GB flash drive and a Kingston MicroSD 4GB reader). On my dual core the Kingston stopped mounting properly after the F11-F12 upgrade; gnome reports it as a digital camera for which there is no proper configuration. Is there a way to configure this so that it mounts as a flash drive (as it did under F11)? Thanks. Max Pyziur p...@brama.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Does GRUB 0.97 support ext4 filesystems?
2009/12/13 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) space.time.unive...@gmail.com: As per topic. The Grub in Fedora 12 can read and boot a kernel from an ext4 partition. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 -- A great new version !
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 16:44 -0500, William Case wrote: Hi; Just thought I would say I really really like Fedora 12. It feels like a Christmas gift. I upgraded from F11 this morning with no difficulties -- worked like a charm. Everything looks and feels a little cleaner and a little tighter. The upgrading process (which I couldn't get to work for me in F11) found the upgrades for all my applications except one small minor accessory. I had hoped the cx23885 driver for v4l2 had been fixed to handle analog cable TV, but I guess not. However, that's an ongoing problem not related to the upgrade per se. I for one am very pleased. If any of the maintainers are reading this list, congratulations! +1. Agreed. I updated from F11 based on this. Due to /boot space issues I upgraded using the F12 DVD. I didn't have video or a network connection at first boot. Somehow DHCP was disabled for eth0. I fixed that, ran yum update and pretty much everything is golden. I can't believe how much more responsive F12 is than F11. And it looks more polished too. Great work, people. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 XFCE spin on eeepc 901
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:19:33 -0500 fred smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote: Hi gang! I've got F12 (gnome) on my 901, but now that the LXDE spin has been reissued I thought I'd try the live-cd-on-a-usb-stick method to see how I like it. ...snip... how does booting a live-cd-on-a-usb-stick actually work? How is it SUPPOSED to work? I've got 2 or more gigs of persistence here, so it should be possible to install a kernel and have it boot. but I can't figure it out. clues appreciated. TIA. You cannot replace the kernel or base items like that using the persistence on the live usb. Sorry. You will need to install, upgrade your kernel and then install the modules you want. BTW, your subject line is a bit misleading here... I see no mention of Xfce. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12
Colin == Colin Paul Adams co...@colina.demon.co.uk writes: Colin Thanks to Chris Smart, Peter Danenberg and others, I have Colin been able to install Fedora 12 as the sole O/S on my Colin Macbook Air (first generation). Colin However the wirless networking is not enabled. I am Colin following the instructions in Colin http://docs.fedoraproject.org/wireless-guide/f12/en-US/html-single/#chap-Wireless_Guide-Fedora_And_Wireless Colin . Colin There was no wireless device shown in the network Colin Configuration, so I clicked New and added a device for Colin hardware Apple Airport. I also tried adding wireless Colin device on the Hardware tab (eth0), but although it allows Colin me to do this, after I save and then reopen the Network Colin Configuration, the hardware only shows a device pan0 of Colin Type Ethernet (which was there from the start). It does Colin appear on the Devices tab (it didn't originally until I Colin added it), but has staus of inactive, and no means to Colin activate it. Colin However, even after restarting the computer, the wireless Colin icon on the panel says there are no network devices Colin available. Colin So I tried removing the device from control by Colin NetworkManager, and activated it manually. But then I get: Colin Device eth0 does seem to be present, delaying Colin initalization. Colin What do I need to do? Apparently the answer is to forget about using Linux, and restore Mac OSX :-( :-( I did lspci And discovered the device is a broadcom with PCI-ID of 14e4:4328 . According to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 This is not supported by the b43 device driver, so Linux on this machine is not on. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Strange error with yum update
what kernel do you use? I think you have kmod-nvidia rpm for kernel 2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686.PAE but dont have that kernel itself installed -- Terminal je t'aime . I love you terminal Bella Mia. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F12 Networking
FC12/KDE Are there any certain packages in Fedora for WPA, WPA2 encrpt. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
Hello all, My problem is definitively not linked to the fedora-webpage being down. Meanwhile I made some progress: At my brothers place I managed to connect to the internet with no problem. All programmes worked, so I could add all the additional programs I needed and install the latest updates. Now, back home, my problem is the following: - DOES NOT WORK: Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution (error connecting to the server) - DOES WORK: Opera, Sype, Software update, Ping. I guess that this is about the strangest problem that I have ever had since I use Linux. Help would me most welcome. Simon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
2009/12/11 Simon Schneebeli simon.schneeb...@okko.org Hello all, After having used Ubuntu since almost more than three years, I decided to give Fedora a try. The installation went perfectly fine. Everything was perfectly recognised. Now I face one big problem: I can't manage to connect to the internet. Through the network connection, I manage to establish a connection with my wireless ADSL model. It also works through a wired connection. Ping works. But neither Firefox nor any other programme manage to establish a connection. Any idea what the problem may be? I guess you need additional information. Which one exactly? To be more precise: It is a completly fresh install of Fedora 12 on a Thinkpad T61. I didn't change anything in the network configuration except that I put the password for my wireless connection. I have this same problem quite often but am not with my Fedora machine so cannot give precise instructions. Try left or right clicking on the icon on the top right of the screen and look at the options. I remember having to fill in my MAC address into a field as a new connection. Best of luck, Aaron -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM, simon.schneeb...@okko.org wrote: Hello all, My problem is definitively not linked to the fedora-webpage being down. Meanwhile I made some progress: At my brothers place I managed to connect to the internet with no problem. All programmes worked, so I could add all the additional programs I needed and install the latest updates. Now, back home, my problem is the following: - DOES NOT WORK: Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution (error connecting to the server) What is your proxy settings in FF? (Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Network-Settings-Configure proxies to access the Internet //HW - DOES WORK: Opera, Sype, Software update, Ping. I guess that this is about the strangest problem that I have ever had since I use Linux. Help would me most welcome. Simon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
Quoting H. Willstrand h.willstr...@gmail.com: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM, simon.schneeb...@okko.org wrote: Hello all, My problem is definitively not linked to the fedora-webpage being down. Meanwhile I made some progress: At my brothers place I managed to connect to the internet with no problem. All programmes worked, so I could add all the additional programs I needed and install the latest updates. Now, back home, my problem is the following: - DOES NOT WORK: Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution (error connecting to the server) What is your proxy settings in FF? (Edit-Preferences-Advanced-Network-Settings-Configure proxies to access the Internet //HW Already checked that. No proxi in use (never did). An additional information: The message Server not found pops up immediately. I have the impression that it blocks somewhere on my computer or at the modem... Any idea? Simon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On Sunday 13 December 2009 12:35 PM, simon.schneeb...@okko.org wrote: Now, back home, my problem is the following: - DOES NOT WORK: Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution (error connecting to the server) - DOES WORK: Opera, Sype, Software update, Ping. Could it be that IPV6 thing? I think recently another user had a similar problem with firefox, and it turned out to be IPV6 related. It would be worth a try to check that. Just a thought. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: linux as router
2009/12/13, Adel ESSAFI adeless...@gmail.com: Hi list This is the first time I have to configure linux as router. I have a single network card for which I gave to IPs eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9 inet addr:41.231.X.Y Bcast:41.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::211:5bff:fe72:7fd9/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2595 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2295 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1876353 (1.7 MiB) TX bytes:328059 (320.3 KiB) Interrupt:21 Base address:0x8000 eth0:1Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9 inet addr:192.168.10.10 Bcast:192.168.10.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Interrupt:21 Base address:0x8000 and this is the default route [r...@routeur ~]# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 41.231.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 192.168.10.0* 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1002 00 eth0 default 41.231.2.81 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 The problem now, is when I configure a PC with an IP adress 192.168.10.X and I put the gateway as 192.168.10.10, I do not succeed to ping any PC. How can I route all the packages from eth0:1 to eth0?? note that I have configured the ip forward. echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Can you help me please. regards Hi http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/en-US/Security_Guide/s1-firewall-ipt-fwd.html since my last post, i have done again the manipulation following the link above. unfortunally, I still do not succeed to make the router works correctly. Can you help plz Adel -- http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/ -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique 1001 Tunis Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166 -- http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/ -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique 1001 Tunis Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 fax: +216 71 391 166 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How to make a Huawei 1692 3g card work
I cannot make it work any more, it was working in F11 with this usb_modeswitch.conf file: # Huawei E1692 DefaultVendor= 0x12d1 DefaultProduct= 0x1446 TargetVendor= 0x12d1 TargetProduct= 0x140c MessageEndpoint=0x01 MessageContent=55534243001106 CheckSuccess=5 Now I get: Looking for target devices ... No devices in target mode or class found Looking for default devices ... Found default devices (1) Accessing device 008 on bus 002 ... Using endpoints 0x01 (out) and 0x81 (in) Inquiring device details; driver will be detached ... Looking for active driver ... No driver found. Either detached before or never attached My Fedora is fully updated.. Any idea -- Antonio Montagnani Skype : antoniomontag SIP: antoniomon...@ekiga.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 14:33 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I'm experiencing considerable frustration trying to get Real Audio files to play. I dl'ed the x686 binary from real.com on my netbook and tried the realplay command on a .ram file, but just I get this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave despite the fact that PA seems to be working (i.e. the tests work, Flash audio works etc.). What do people use to listen to Real Audio? poc I use RealPlayer11GOLD . -- === Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. -- Bernard Berenson === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 13:35 -0700, simon.schneeb...@okko.org wrote: Hello all, My problem is definitively not linked to the fedora-webpage being down. Meanwhile I made some progress: At my brothers place I managed to connect to the internet with no problem. All programmes worked, so I could add all the additional programs I needed and install the latest updates. Now, back home, my problem is the following: - DOES NOT WORK: Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution (error connecting to the server) - DOES WORK: Opera, Sype, Software update, Ping. It would be nice to have an expanded version of DoES NOT WORK What happens when you try Firrefox, for example? I guess that this is about the strangest problem that I have ever had since I use Linux. Help would me most welcome. Simon -- === It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12
Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Boomtime, the 55th of The Aftermath: This is not supported by the b43 device driver, so Linux on this machine is not on. That doesn't necessarily follow: I got wireless working on the first-gen air with ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper is sub-optimal, but it works in a pinch. I haven't been as lucky with the second-gen air, though. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
