Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:54 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: You don't see it do you! What you are proposing would take a massive intricate system to protect people from themselves. SELINUX is already a super mess duplicating controls already in place and adding to the CPU burden. One thing you seem to be missing - this is not only to protect new user from doing something stupid before they learn, but also to protect the rest of us from stupid mistakes by others. Or would you like to see botnets of Linux machines to go with the Windows ones? I can just picture a newbee running as root, and running an older version of their web browser that has a known exploit, and getting something nasty installed. With the profit that can be made from compromised systems, it would be irresponsible to ship systems with insecure default settings. After all, we do not want to see Linux systems that are as insecure as Windows systems are by default. Running as root all the tine defeats most of the security of a Linux system. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines You don't see it do you! What you are proposing would take a massive intricate system to protect people from themselves. SELINUX is already a super mess duplicating controls already in place and adding to the CPU burden. that is why root has its own password Oregon once had a law prohibiting people pumping gas into their own cars. People moved to the NEW world to escape the OLD world...for freedom Let us put warnings on knives: beware cutting yourself replace lawnmower blades with weedeater cord drive to the pharmacy every time meds are due pad all steps in case somebody falls down What can we do for a bunch of angry arrogant little boys off their meds and skateboards learning a little bit about admin and becoming God! We can pad their rooms so they don't hurt themselves! Let them take up programming and THAT will put them in their place. Understanding concepts is the basis for intelligence -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:59 PM Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:10:36 +1030 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to logging in graphically as root leaves you much more open to security flaws in the graphical systems doing much more than you were doing. Ah yes, here it is again - GUIS are horribly flawed and ridden through with security bugs. If that is really the case, then no one should be logging into any GUI at all for any reason since you'll be exposing your own data to all those security kooties waiting to leap out of the GUIs on them. No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that would be caught when running as a user may not be caught when running as root. The more code you have running as root, the greater the chance of running into problems. Then again, it is a lot easier to shoot yourself in the foot running as root using the GUI. How may times have we seen someone on the list that changed permissions, or deleted the wrong file, and needs help to get the system running again. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines EEEWWW! save me from making a mistake..PLEASE! Pontius Pilate in the movie Ben Hur: we mature through fault, we progress through error If a newbie screws up his computer, he will learn a lot from having to start over! What would be better: send you to his house to make sure he makes no mistakes! One of the (truly) best guys in the Linux circuit of help has his SELINUX turned off! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:11 PM On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 01:42 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:10:36 +1030 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to logging in graphically as root leaves you much more open to security flaws in the graphical systems doing much more than you were doing. Ah yes, here it is again - GUIS are horribly flawed and ridden through with security bugs. If that is really the case, then no one should be logging into any GUI at all for any reason since you'll be exposing your own data to all those security kooties waiting to leap out of the GUIs on them. I think you are spinning this with your own conceptions. I seem to recall someone saying that no one has audited all of the GUI applications for security issues and given that code will execute at the privilege level of the operator, why give unaudited programs root privileges to operate? Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I'm out of time for this but here is what was successfully put into place years before puberty was reached: Lesson # 1 How does one set the sticky bit and set UID bits with chmod? octal digit 12 3 4 octal value 4 set UID r r r 2 set GID w w w 1 sticky bit x x x r read w write x execute s set UID or set GID t set sticky bit chmod u+st filename chmod -R does down the tree EEWWW! I hope I don't make a mistake...MOMMY! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
want to prevent people from making mistakes?
put F10 back in beta Common Sense ain't common From Flotilla the Hun circa 2000 BC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:19 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: You don't see it do you! What you are proposing would take a massive intricate system to protect people from themselves. SELINUX is already a super mess duplicating controls already in place and adding to the CPU burden. You are the one that does not see it. SELinux does not duplicate the existing controls. It provides a finer grade of control. Times change, and the need for security changes with them. There was a time when services like telnet, and rlogin were secure enough for network use. Would you advocate using them now? I wouldn't. that is why root has its own password Oregon once had a law prohibiting people pumping gas into their own cars. People moved to the NEW world to escape the OLD world...for freedom Let us put warnings on knives: beware cutting yourself replace lawnmower blades with weedeater cord drive to the pharmacy every time meds are due pad all steps in case somebody falls down What can we do for a bunch of angry arrogant little boys off their meds and skateboards learning a little bit about admin and becoming God! We can pad their rooms so they don't hurt themselves! Let them take up programming and THAT will put them in their place. Understanding concepts is the basis for intelligence You forgot eliminating seat belts, air bags, anti-lock breaks. People need to learn not to run into things, and how to stop on slippery surfaces. Why help them? Get rid of door locks and alarm systems while you are it. So what if someone takes something that was left in your car, or drives away with the car. Stop plowing and salting roads. People can learn to drive through the snow, and handle slippery roads. After all, I did. Driving through 2' of snow is fun! Get rid of traffic lights and stop signs. Drivers will figure out who gets to go through the intersection first. (Big trucks ALWAYS have the right of way!) Get rid of those pesky door and window locks on houses that make you have to carry a key to get in. Lets not forget about those pesky digital garage door opener controls that make you enable each new control so that it will open your door. It was a lot more fun when you could drive down the street and open up everybody's garage door! While you are at it, why not eliminate air traffic controllers - think of the money that would be saved if we didn't have to pay them. Never mind about plains crashing into each other - the pilots can handle things, right? Why would we need any of these things? People got by without them years ago, so why would they need them now? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines also spell check!!! plains should be spelled planes every one of those checks has been defeated and many are even touted to create worse problems On TV a guy in California with 41 DUIs fin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Richard England [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard England [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:54 PM Richard England wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 10:16 -0800, Richard England wrote: Jose Celestino wrote: FWIW, F10 is working fine on two systems here, one a self built, the other is an older Toshiba Satellite laptop. I have yet to encounter any of the issues that Fred has. So because it works fine on your *2* systems, its a good release ? For the record, I have zero problems with the networking stuff that people are complaining about and dual displays work excellent for me, day in and day out. That doesn't mean I think those features are great for everyone. Not at all. But anyone new to a forum like this will get the idea that 1,2,even 10 people with problems will reflect the stability or overall usefulness of a release. My posting was an attempt to point out that the release works for some and not for others. It is the nature of Fedora to stretch the limits and issues are going to arise. When a release does _not_ work, file a bug report, ask for assistance and if you can't get it to function, find a work around or, if you must, move to another (for you) more stable release of Fedora or another release altogether. Telling everyone that the release is non-functional and should be recalled is not productive and wastes everyone's bandwidth. ~~R BTW, be careful with the attribution of statements. From the above editing it appears that Joe Celestino made the comments that were made by me. Some people become very upset by this (and at time, justifiably so). ~~R -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines BTW, be careful with the attribution of statements.??? I never tried nor would I try to install F10 now. I'd have to be out of my mind. I just spent many hours getting Oracle 11g1, PHP 526 and MySQL 5 squared away 100%. Remedial Reading 101 having 43 brilliant years in programming and EE, I have always noticed that my wisdom is always ALWAYS met by retorts from those of far less ability. I'd truly worry if they didn't complain! Many learn a little admin and think of themselves as a god. I see the same thing in other little worlds. Flying, scuba, skydiving, tennis. et al. You'd be surprised to see how many airline pilots don't really understand aerodynamics! They fly like robots! A EE prof and others have said over and over again: Fred you are always right! so...excuse me while I switch to XP prof to install MySQL, PHP and Oracle having been 100% successful under F9 From the movie don't go away mad, just go away! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Root in FC10
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root in FC10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:50 AM No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that would be caught when running as a user may not be caught when running as root. A bug or a permissions error. Please explain how a BUG could or would be treated differently depending on the user? The more code you have running as root, the greater the chance of running into problems. This is illogical and not relevant to the point which you are attempting to make. The vast majority of user, including myself, do not write the code we run. And the exploit rate in code has nothing to do with the amount of code you have running. Lots of code is basically impervious to external exploit while being run, because it does not talk to or interact with the external world. If you are referring to the underlying OS, it ALWAYS runs as whatever, often as root. A 'root' user doesn't to my understanding run 'more' code than a user does...and in any event, all of that code is still there to be exploited whichever user is running on top of it (if that code is capable of being exploited at all). Then again, it is a lot easier to shoot yourself in the foot running as root using the GUI. How may times have we seen someone on the list that changed permissions, or deleted the wrong file, and needs help to get the system running again. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SECURITY. You are just trying to play 'nanny'. The saying is: To err is human. We are ALL human. Get over it and stop trying to tie people's hands just because you will not be there to hold them. AND this has nothing to do with logging in as root. Any user, who through ignorance or stupidity (or both) changes permissions or deletes the wrong file, is NOT interacting with security when he does those things. He is using the OS, which does *exactly* what he tells it to do, whether or not that is what he thought he wanted it to do. And the only PROPER response to that, after the fact, is to explain what he did (fix the ignorance bit: ignorant from does not know) and hope that he remembers it (you cannot fix the stupid bit). Oh, and say, Don't do that again. Sorta like your mother probably did many times when you were a child. But it is time to stop playing parent to everyone. Geoff -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines well said! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
only the shadow knows
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Re: Root in FC10
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root in FC10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:10 AM R. G. Newbury wrote: No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that would be caught when running as a user may not be caught when running as root. A bug or a permissions error. Please explain how a BUG could or would be treated differently depending on the user? Trying to read or write a file or device you do not have permission to access. A program that tries to use all system resources - users have strictor limits then root does. The more code you have running as root, the greater the chance of running into problems. This is illogical and not relevant to the point which you are attempting to make. The vast majority of user, including myself, do not write the code we run. And the exploit rate in code has nothing to do with the amount of code you have running. Lots of code is basically impervious to external exploit while being run, because it does not talk to or interact with the external world. He is not primarily talking about exploits, though that is part of it. The damage that can be done by a bug in a program are much greater if the program is running as root. This is one reason that SUID programs drop privileges as soon as they no longer need them. If you are referring to the underlying OS, it ALWAYS runs as whatever, often as root. A 'root' user doesn't to my understanding run 'more' code than a user does...and in any event, all of that code is still there to be exploited whichever user is running on top of it (if that code is capable of being exploited at all). You are not understanding what is being said - it is not they root is running more programs, but more programs are running with root privileges when you log in as root. Process that would normally be run as a normal user are being run as root. Then again, it is a lot easier to shoot yourself in the foot running as root using the GUI. How may times have we seen someone on the list that changed permissions, or deleted the wrong file, and needs help to get the system running again. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SECURITY. You are just trying to play 'nanny'. The saying is: To err is human. We are ALL human. Get over it and stop trying to tie people's hands just because you will not be there to hold them. AND this has nothing to do with logging in as root. Any user, who through ignorance or stupidity (or both) changes permissions or deletes the wrong file, is NOT interacting with security when he does those things. He is using the OS, which does *exactly* what he tells it to do, whether or not that is what he thought he wanted it to do. And the only PROPER response to that, after the fact, is to explain what he did (fix the ignorance bit: ignorant from does not know) and hope that he remembers it (you cannot fix the stupid bit). Oh, and say, Don't do that again. Sorta like your mother probably did many times when you were a child. But it is time to stop playing parent to everyone. Geoff Nope - we are not trying to play 'nanny'. If you do not see what this has to do with security, then I feel sorry for you, and hope that it is just your home system that you are putting at risk. The defaults are to protect people that are learning. You could think of it this way - you child-prof your home when you have small children because it is hard to learn when learning kills you. How much does a new user learn when the only fix is to re-install the system? How much does it cost if your bring down the network at work because you made a mistake when running as root? Just killing your desktop at work is going to cost in lost productivity. (Unless you are not productive at work anyway - then having your system trashed may stop you from lowering others productivity.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines R.G. Newbury- I could not have sai it better...thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Root in FC10
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root in FC10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:12 AM Fred Silsbee wrote: well said! Talking to yourself now? Mikkel -- I am not a number, I am an individual with a unique number. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I am a rather brilliant psych. philos, theolog...I can help -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: Unrequested automatic installation
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Robert Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F10: Unrequested automatic installation To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:09 PM On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 15:43 +, Paul Smith wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Robert Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems unusual: Fresh install of F10 (from DVD) couple of days after release (28-Nov). I have added rpmfusion and livna repositories when the install was done. This morning after booting and logging in, a little bubble opened in the lower right hand corner that said some updates were complete. I had not requested any updates. Previous updates had all been done by me typing yum update in a gnome-terminal. Reviewing /var/log/yum.log to see what was installed I find the following: Dec 05 08:02:19 Installed: createrepo-0.9.6-3.fc10.noarch Dec 05 08:02:20 Installed: 1:anaconda-yum-plugins-1.0-3.fc10.noarch Dec 05 08:02:21 Installed: preupgrade-1.0.0-1.fc10.noarch Why were these packages automatically installed without me requesting them? The same happened here. That was why I sent to the list the post How can one turn off automatic updates on F10?. Was this unrequested automatic installation episodic? Or should one configure something to avoid this automatic installations? I just posted in a reply to myself that it appears to be configured under System-Preferences-System-Software Updates. But mine is configured to Automatically install: Nothing, so I am baffled why these three packages were installed --Rob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I had the identical problem after packagekit sneaked in. One day I woke up and had a new kernel.*** There is a dialog to make the facility passive but for some reason, it does not show up when I am logged in as user. I log in as root and there it is. There are two dialogs: (1) show history (2) control packagekit I set mine to do nothing so I still get alerts down in the panel! One that day I started getting a dialog after logging in as root saying one should not run packagekit as a privileged user. AND I didn't even ask for it! Recently there was an update to packagekit that reset my settings to automatic...do updates silently...and some stuff sneaked in! I always watch my yum update output -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:25 PM From: Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Already done that. Just chirping in again about why someone relatively sane would want to log in as root... Because he's actually, you know, SANE and does not get an attack of the vapours and go all weak-kneed at the thought of actually doing something while logged in as root. The fervour with which the don't ever use root religionists propogate their faith just pisses me off. There are places and times for using root and there are places and times for not being root. Don't let your damn religion obscure that fact. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines whatever your religion says about logging in as root, why are you so worried that some (e.g. me) have logged in as root for 11.5 years and had no problem. More can be expressed via direct email! It may not be sane for YOU to log in as root! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10: anybody else noticed this
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Steve Repo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Repo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F10: anybody else noticed this To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:53 PM On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Alexander Volovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During installation of F10 (or immediately after) gnome-session (or a parent proces of gnome-session) spawns a zombie Xsession. I will look next time. I have installed F10 on 3 different machines and all ot them show this (i686 and x86_64). Futhermore the install does not eject the DVD. I had to choose 'boot from local disk' upon rebooting for the second time, or quickly remove the DVD. This one took me by surprise and I ran into this several times. I was telling one of my windows collegues that the disk will be ejected automatically after install and we waited .. waited ,. much to my embarrasment it rebooted to installer again. We had to yank it out by pressing the eject button. I was so used to the disk eject after install and it *was* quite nice, Not sure if it's a bug or intentional and I hope this works again in F11. Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines you'd think nobody ever tried it before releasing it! luckily after reboot, there are a number of choices before any change is made to the HD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:56 PM On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:25:15 -0500 Robert Moskowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already done that. Just chirping in again about why someone relatively sane would want to log in as root... I'm sure that I will get blasted for writing this but this is an issue that seems overdone. Whatever self-inflicted damage I can do as root I can do with su. There are many reasons that I like to boot into a new install as root to L5. There are quite a few things that need to be done as root. Sure, I can do all of these tasks from a terminal command line in L5. However, it is more time consuming and sometimes arcane (trying to find the correct executable). I don't think that best practices preclude logging in as root. In contrast, I think that the idea is to use an alternate user as your regular log-in, using root only as required. Again, I am unable to appreciate a great deal of difference between logging in as root and using su providing that you are only logging in as root to do system configuration and maintenance. -- Neither Lifestyle nor Agenda http://www.tips-Q.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines nothing wrong with your reasoning except that you can't constrain everybody to accept *your* logic such is the stuff of religious wars live and let live -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:20 PM On Friday 05 December 2008, Dave Cross wrote: 2008/12/5 Mike Dwiggins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I upgraded a throw away test system from FC 8 to FC 10. When it finished, I tried logging in as root user and could not. Logging in as a normal user I went to a text session and the su command worked with the old root password. Did I do something wrong or is this something new to 10? Disabling root login is a common security practice. Sounds like it's been disabled by default in F10. That's got to be a good thing. Apparently so, but then the install doesn't add the one user it asks you to define to the sudoers file, and to fix that requires a reboot to single mode. As someone else has said, you can enable it again by fiddling with the pam files, but please consider whether you really want to do that. Why not log as a normal user and then use su (or, better, sudo) on the rare occasions when you need root access? Dave... -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked if I had any firearms with me. I said, Well, what do you need? -- Steven Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines why not let everybody do as they please? If somebody then makes a mess, it is their problem Do you want to call the fire department and report a person who just filled up their 2 gallon container? meddling -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 12:04 AM Gene Heskett wrote: Disabling root login is a common security practice. Sounds like it's been disabled by default in F10. That's got to be a good thing. Apparently so, but then the install doesn't add the one user it asks you to define to the sudoers file, and to fix that requires a reboot to single mode. No it doesn't. You run su -c visudo and add the user you want. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ The best advice I can give is to ignore advice. Life is too short to be distracted by the opinions of others. -- Russell Edson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines disabling root access is what the root password is for I've been logging into root for 11.5 tears on Linux alone without problems It is dumb to make it impossible for everybody. I understand this disablement can be removed by doing something in pam.d or whatever it is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:42 AM On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:10:36 +1030 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to logging in graphically as root leaves you much more open to security flaws in the graphical systems doing much more than you were doing. Ah yes, here it is again - GUIS are horribly flawed and ridden through with security bugs. If that is really the case, then no one should be logging into any GUI at all for any reason since you'll be exposing your own data to all those security kooties waiting to leap out of the GUIs on them. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines your reasoning is OK but you cannot impose your system of beliefs on others and their OSs. If I want to do something not smart, then it is MY problem. I've been logging into Linux root for 11.5 years and never messed anything up yet! Maybe you need to advise the users of puppy Linux. There 1 pieces of advice one can give but should not be imposed. Marriage should be prohibited until months of counselling are completed -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: root in FC 10
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: root in FC 10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 7:32 AM Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:10:36 +1030 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compared to logging in graphically as root leaves you much more open to security flaws in the graphical systems doing much more than you were doing. Ah yes, here it is again - GUIS are horribly flawed and ridden through with security bugs. The point is that you should always run with the least amount of privileges to perform a task¹. Running a desktop session as the root user means that you are running far more code than you would if you ran as a normal user and only used root to execute the programs that need root privileges -- e.g. the system-config-* tools and such. There is also effort being put into separating the GUI part of various system tools from the parts that require root privilege. For example, this allows a normal user to run a date/time configuration tool and only uses root privilege to actually change the system time. It does not mean that the GUI is entirely untrustworthy or unsuitable for use. It just means that best practice is to run as little code with superuser privilege as is needed. If that is really the case, then no one should be logging into any GUI at all for any reason since you'll be exposing your own data to all those security kooties waiting to leap out of the GUIs on them. A little hyperbole with your coffee? ;) ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ The race for quality has no finish line- so technically, it's more like a death march. -- Demotivators (www.despair.com) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines You don't see it do you! What you are proposing would take a massive intricate system to protect people from themselves. SELINUX is already a super mess duplicating controls already in place and adding to the CPU burden. Extending your logic to society, we'd need a massive intricate system to protect people from themselves. Put an automatic temperature limit on hot water to protect people from scalding. Most controls in place in society are to prevent lawsuits. Move to NYC and do your income tax! Ends up nobody understands the calculations involved. Those who think they do even argue among themselves. It is the underlying attitude that caused people to move here from Europe. Arogant people trying to run the lives of others. How about a 65 mph limit on auto speeds. There are 10 more! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 - I REALLY want to log in as root -- was Re: root login
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Tony Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tony Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F10 - I REALLY want to log in as root -- was Re: root login To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:49 PM On Thursday 04 December 2008 17:33:22 Robert Moskowitz wrote: Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 02:34:51PM +, John Horne wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 07:23 -0800, bruce wrote: appparently f10, has modified the default behavior to restrict you from logging in as the root user. Check the archives. I seem to recall a pam change that does limit the login devices for 'root'. It can be undone but the goal was to limit external and unwanted local root activity. I can't find this pearl of wisdom, and right now, as I plow through getting things working, I really benifit from logging in as root. Yes I can set inittab to init 3, then run startx, but I am not sure this is the same thing (and when I exit startx I see an error about running this as root). Edit /etc/pam.d/gdm find the line auth requiredpam_succeed_if.so user != root quiet and replace it with auth requiredpam_succeed_if.so Then logout and login as root. Tony -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines thanks! useful if I ever move to F10 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How can i call a function which is usually used by root?
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How can i call a function which is usually used by root? To: 'Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.' fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:04 PM hi... check out how to handle/setup a superuser group (sudo) which allows a normal user to assume the role/privs of the root/superuser for a specifically defined task. should handle your issue, if i understand what you're attempting. there should be examples on the 'net as well.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wk Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:21 AM To: fedora-list Subject: How can i call a function which is usually used by root? I want write a c program.And a common user(not in root group) will run this program. In this program,I call fread(/dev/sdc...) and fwrite(/dev/sdc),but this call will return permission no allow.If I use the root user,will be ok. How to change to the authority to root's? I know the root's password. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines study the following... s bit is what you want: consider the function passwd...allows the user to alter a file owned by root How does one set the sticky bit and set UID bits with chmod? octal digit 12 3 4 octal value 4 set UID r r r 2 set GID w w w 1 sticky bit x x x r read w write x execute s set UID or set GID t set sticky bit chmod u+st filename chmod -R does down the tree -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How can i call a function which is usually used by root?
--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How can i call a function which is usually used by root? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:42 PM --- On Tue, 12/2/08, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How can i call a function which is usually used by root? To: 'Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.' fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:04 PM hi... check out how to handle/setup a superuser group (sudo) which allows a normal user to assume the role/privs of the root/superuser for a specifically defined task. should handle your issue, if i understand what you're attempting. there should be examples on the 'net as well.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wk Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:21 AM To: fedora-list Subject: How can i call a function which is usually used by root? I want write a c program.And a common user(not in root group) will run this program. In this program,I call fread(/dev/sdc...) and fwrite(/dev/sdc),but this call will return permission no allow.If I use the root user,will be ok. How to change to the authority to root's? I know the root's password. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines study the following... s bit is what you want: consider the function passwd...allows the user to alter a file owned by root bashls -alF /usr/bin/passwd -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 25740 2008-04-08 08:48 /usr/bin/passwd* notice the s How does one set the sticky bit and set UID bits with chmod? octal digit 12 3 4 octal value 4 set UID r r r 2 set GID w w w 1 sticky bit x x x r read w write x execute s set UID or set GID t set sticky bit chmod u+st filename chmod -R does down the tree -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ?
--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 12:44 PM On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 05:23 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: You don't seem to give much information as the source of your woes. Here is the error message that gets logged when I run Eclipse: !SESSION 2008-11-30 08:42:06.300 --- eclipse.buildId=M20080911-1700 java.version=1.6.0_0 java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc. BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US Command-line arguments: -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86 !ENTRY org.eclipse.equinox.app 0 0 2008-11-30 08:42:07.168 !MESSAGE Product org.fedoraproject.ide.platform.product could not be found. !ENTRY org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director 2 0 2008-11-30 08:42:07.828 !MESSAGE Problems resolving provisioning plan. !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director 2 0 2008-11-30 08:42:07.828 !MESSAGE Unable to satisfy dependency from org.eclipse.cdt.util 5.0.0.200806171202 to requiredCapability: osgi.bundle/org.junit/0.0.0. !SUBENTRY 1 org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director 2 0 2008-11-30 08:42:07.828 !MESSAGE Unable to satisfy dependency from org.eclipse.cdt.util.feature.group 5.0.0.200806171202 to requiredCapability: org.eclipse.equinox.p2.iu/org.junit/0.0.0. The main issue is Product org.fedoraproject.ide.platform.product could not be found. I have installed all the Eclipse apps via yum and I still get this message. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines save years of analysis and obfuscation common with Fedora use yum to remove all eclipse stuff and download/install from eclipse if you like Qt 4.4, get the plugin for Qt and use designer -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ?
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Ed Greshko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed Greshko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:31 PM Linuxguy123 wrote: I am having a very difficult time getting Eclipse to run. Could someone do a 'yum install eclipse-cdt' and then do Start-Development-Eclipse and report the result ? works -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I have Eclipse with Qt plugin, C++ and PHP and it runs great...I love it in spite of some dismal wording/planning/organization of options! Right now it is not allowing me to tell it where the oci8 libraries are. uname -r 2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686 I installed it from the site rather than using yum! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I seem to have entered F-11
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I seem to have entered F-11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:06 PM On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 14:43 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 13:13 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: On one machine, which I rarely use under Linux, I ran sudo yum update last night, and it installed hundreds of fc11 packages. See if the Rawdide repo is enabled. It is, I know. But I assume that on my other machines the status of the files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ was somehow modified. I suppose my question is, when did this happen and how was it missed on this machine? Most likely you has Rawhide enabled and used yum update to go from F9 to F10. This would normally disable Rawhide, so either it didn't or you re-enabled it unintentionally. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines about 2 years ago I installed rawhide at the advice of the top rawhide guy he said with rawhide you'll be continually faced with dependency problems. Maybe I saved that email! It was such a mess I had to load Fedora from scratch. I want to use Fedora not play with it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
NTFS problem in Dolphin solved
under the KDE popup icon administration-ntfs configuration when did this sneak in? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mono great news .... don't read if you hate .NET
right after F9 installed from scratch and before I could alter anything, I tried to use mono to open a C#.NET project and got a sea of errors/warnings. Well in spite of the fact that I watch yum updates like a hawk, fixes crept in and now there are no errors/warnings. WOW! SOMETHING recently altered my software update config and for a few days yum has been run surreptitiously. Without my help, packagekit was installed months ago and does something useful. It tells me when to run yum update by posting a little asterisk or sun image in the system tray! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ?
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Could someone test Eclipse for me ? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:21 PM On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 23:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: I am having a very difficult time getting Eclipse to run. Could someone do a 'yum install eclipse-cdt' and then do Start-Development-Eclipse and report the result ? works Could you give me a $uname -a and a java -version ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines # uname -r 2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686 # java -version java version 1.6.0 OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b09) OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode) is this it? the qt 4.4 plugin is great...allows integrated access to the designer!!! I have a 30 day free trial for Eclipse/PHP integrated with Firefox -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
NTFS with Dolphin...other forums reporting same error
error reported : unknown -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I burn a Fedora 10 ISO image to a DVD?
(1) download to the same directory the sha1sum and make a file out of it say shasum.txt (2) run: sha1sum -c shasum.txt if no errors may have to yum install sha1sum (3) K3b or nautilus (4) drag the iso DVD image to the lower window answer question with burn directly hit start or burn to make things simple you may verify by: (1) copy dvd image back to some directory and use diff with the original file (2) also boot to this dvd and there is media verify that does not alter your drive if you stop here --- On Fri, 11/28/08, iarly selbir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: iarly selbir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I burn a Fedora 10 ISO image to a DVD? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 5:54 PM Verify your image iso http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify try also burn with k3b. I hope helped you. Regards, - iarly Selbir ( Ski0s ) On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Colin Paul Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The installation manual only tells you how to do it for a Windoze user. I tried with GnomeBaker, but the DVD does not boot. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ntfs from Dolphin gets error
I open Dolphin and click on the ntfs icon and get error: org.freedesktop.HAL.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure TODO: have to rethink extra options Haven't seen an update for NTFS since 7 November since then ntfs has worked brilliantly -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
idea! what about an official F10 post release on say 15 December
we'd have a new set of CD and DVD images What is the rush on getting F10 out officially! The emails coming in are scary. Guess I'll wait a month or two! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
turns out Nautilus has the identical problems so K3B is not the culprit I'm sending the plextor to the factory. Repeating: even after killing (-9) K3B, something keeps running (GKRellm) and a reboot is required. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 1:02 PM On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:12:11 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 November 2008 05:07:21 Gene Heskett wrote: Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. Why? Because when its about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and immediately pulls it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the drive NOT! Again, it depends on the drive. That happens on some of my boxes but not all of them. For ISOs, though, it's just as easy to do an md5sum (or sha1sum if you prefer it). Timing issues with different drive hardware seem to be an issue indeed. Some drives take a long time to reload the tray and examine the disc. Other drives are quick at that. As mentioned in bz #440343 I can verify ISOs in k3b just fine _if_ burning CDs or CD-RWs. Only temporarily it was broken just as with DVDs. Meanwhile I burn on a different Linux platform. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines turns out K3B is not the culprit Nautilus shows identical problems -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 10:05 AM On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:00 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: Yea, but there is clearly something strange going on because the latest bug I see is k3b ejecting the media then not being able to reload it, yet on the same system with the same kernel and same drive, the eject -T command is perfectly capable of ejecting and closing the tray. eject uses consolehelper+PAM, k3b doesn't. Opening and closing the tray here has never been a problem. Unless background programs accessed the disc and blocked it temporarily. However, what likely got lost in bugzilla noise (#440343) is the difference in k3b's debug output compared with the older working kernel. Perhaps there's interference with other components that try to detect and auto-mount the disc as soon as it's being reloaded. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I had the identical problem with Nautilus so K3B is NOT the problem sending my Plextor back to the factory. Repeating: after killing K3B or after Nautilus hangs, something is still using the CPU (GKRellm) green and orange -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mail command and html
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail command and html To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:27 PM Guillaume wrote: 2008/11/27 Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:59 +0100, Guillaume wrote: hi, I would like to send a html mail from console with the `mail` utility. I try this : cat html.file |mail -s subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] I try to had some header in the htlm.file but it does not work too. You need to say what you mean by does not work. Ok sorry ! When i send email with simple command like $cat html.file |mail -s subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] the mail arrive to recipient but is not read as HTML. In the mail reader the html tag appear in clear and text is not formatted... Of course, the file i use is well formated in html language. The problem is that the mail command does understand MIME so it sends everything as plain text. You may want to look at nail instead. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines It was ketchup that gave away the infiltrator in Attack of the Killer Tomatoes The leprechaun has not been chomping top posters...id he OK? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:07 AM On Wednesday 26 November 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 November 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: Fred Silsbee wrote: K3b is a piece of work... the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does not imply abondonment. The no verify ISO write is very very old! I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel issue, potentially limited to certain brands/models of burners. That has to be the most likely explanation. Here k3b verifies on some boxes but not on others. Generally, I gave up on asking k3b to verify anything. Why? Because when its about to do the verify read, it ejects the disk and immediately pulls it back in. Then it waits for the disk to be recognized by the drive NOT! At that point it will kick out from the error, no disk in drive. It would be nice if it would then ask you to put the disk back in the drive and click proceed when you have pushed the drawer closed again and given the drive time to recognize the disk as evidenced that the activity led has stopped blinking. ISTR I even filed a bz on that 2, maybe 3 years ago, so far back up the log I expect the bz server has been wiped. I sure don't recall the bz number. And it was never acknowledged either. k3b is a heck of a good proggy, and I fail to see why that hasn't been fixed years ago. New eye candy, re-arrange the menu's etc has been done 2 or 3 times now, but a simple lack of a time delay bug is too much trouble to fix I guess. Anne -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Dr. Livingston? Dr. Livingston I. Presume? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines same bug for years I had the identical problem with Nautilus so K3B is not the problem strange : after killing (kill -9) K3B or Nautilus, something is still running in the CPU -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
of all things, my ntfs access in Dolphin is not working
It didn't even ask for the root password as in the past. Last yum update for ntfswas Nov 7 but I haven't had the problem until today. Error: system responded while accessing volume(ntfs) org.freedesktop.HAL.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure TODO: have to rethink extra options I switched to (dual boot) XP Prof to see if the drive had gone bad...no problem there. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound asus a7u laptop
uname -r 2.6.27.5-41.fc9.i686 Kaffeine is producing sound Right after F9 released, only rhythmBox worked, Kaffeine did not. KsCD has not produced sound in years (it shows to be running) I have motherboard built in sound card. rhythmBox is now NOT working! I know: I need a yum /xBloop --release all anaimals -XOXO --profsnarf --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Mikael Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikael Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sound asus a7u laptop To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 6:40 PM Hello, just tried out the 'fedora 10 x86_64 Live' cd on my asus a7u laptop. Could not get any kind off sound out of it. Has anyone managed to get sound working on this type off machine ? I'm currently stuck with 'fedora 8 i686' running the 2.6.23.9-85.fc8 kernel, sense it was the last kernel I could get sound working with. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 8:01 PM On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:08:07 -0800 (PST), Fred Silsbee wrote: turns out K3B is not the culprit Nautilus shows identical problems HAL is not influencing this either. Just burnt six CD-RWs on F-9 ( kernel-2.6.27.5-41.fc9 ) and for all of them, the verification step in k3b found that the written image differed from the original. Manually verifying the written images (with readcd and sha1sum) was successful as always. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I usually don't have the problem on CDs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
has K3B been abandoned?
K3b is a piece of work... I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives Plextor $120+ Sony $50 Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a ISO-DVD. The simplest operation? I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved been checked to be good!. The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B I'd kill it with kill -9 and then the drive would be locked up and even hung the eject command. I had to reboot to open the drive. Sometimes I have to reboot to do a second operation! and even once the bring things back facility had the #$% thing running again. OH YES! an old error reported forever When making an ISO DVD, the verify write facility still doesn't work even on the Sony drive. It says couldn't find a DVD to verify. Make things easy: if there is an error: (1) release the drive announcing ithat the DVD is no longer blank! (2) eject the DVD (3) terminate all processes and subprocesses that stay running(i.e. die and go away) (4) work on the program some more. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 Preupgrade does not list F10?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Richard Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 Preupgrade does not list F10? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 2:31 PM On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 20:32 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: (something in HTML) Please don't post in HTML on this list. See the Guidelines. poc I assume you were referring to my post. Apparently gmail sends both a plain text and a HTML version of the messages. I looked through the gmail settings and don't see any options to turn of HTML. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines welcome to the list! chomp! the leprechaun got you...I made the same mistake when I joined I decided NOT to use hotmail(disaster) and yahoo had an indicator that showed text. Did that mean text was in force or hit the text to change! I finally got it straight after getting my axx chewed nearly off! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 4:33 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: K3b is a piece of work... the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does not imply abondonment. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines The no verify ISO write is very very old! I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 4:50 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: K3b is a piece of work... the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does not imply abondonment. The no verify ISO write is very very old! I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel issue, potentially limited to certain brands/models of burners. I can understand the frustration, but I'm failing to see how these recent comments are in any way constructive or leading toward helping find a solution. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines happy to discuss off mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
does the DVD ISO for F10 ever change?
Let me explain: I just downloaded F10 dvd iso and burned it onto a DVD -R It works great and survived a number of tests. Question: If I repeat the procedure in a few months, will the data change due to updates! I.e. does the dvd iso image keep up with updates? If not, I'd expect that the backlog of yum updates would be staggering in a few months. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Troubles downloading Fedora DVD iso
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Troubles downloading Fedora DVD iso
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:57 PM
I am trying to download the DVD iso for Fedora 10 using
curl.
Instead of getting the full 3.4Gb, it always stops at this
exact size =
1073762304 Nov 26 09:21 Fedora-10-i386-DVD.iso
I have tried the Fedora 9 DVD iso but had the same issue.
I have tried
different mirrors --- still same problem.
There is plenty of space on the server.
Could anyone please tell me what I might be doing wrong?
(I have
successfully downloaded DVDs and CDs using this approach
before.)
Here is the full script I am using...minus our real server
name and port.
#! /bin/sh
function get_iso {
curl -v -x our proxy server:our port -C
- -O $URL
} # End of function get_iso
URL=
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-10-i386-DVD.iso
get_iso
Any help is much appreciated!
Thanks,
Denise
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curious...why the complexity?
are you constructing a facility for others to download F10? Are you running
under Fedora 9?
I simply selected the ISO and got a dialog
http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/iso/
I selected the target directory and bingo!
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Re: F9 DOS attack
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 DOS attack To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 6:18 PM Dave Feustel wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:30:09AM -0800, bruce wrote: hi dave... just saw this thread. are you running a static ip on your external internet connection. if you aren't, you could simply force the cable modem to reset to another ip address.. I tried reseting the cable modem but I'm not sure it changes my ip address. you might have to work with comcast tech support to accomplish this. (get a 2nd/3rd level guy who actually knows/wants to help you out) I'm going to try to talk with them about this tomorrow. if you've already done this, has it managed to slow the offender down? No. But the attack had ceased when I got up this morning. do you have a router connected to the cable modem? does it log the ip addresses of the offending client? I use pf with a block all incoming rule. I don't see any traffic with pftop, but I saw a lot of incoming packets by observing the leds on my cable modem. It's pretty clear to me that both F9 and Suse11 are vulnerable to attack from the internet. I'm starting to get very interested in linux security and preventing dos attacks. ANYTHING connected to the internet is vulnerable to attack, be it SYN floods, brute force SSH attempts, any number of others. Wait till you get a DC++ attack! The only way to block that sucker is to do a deep packet inspection of the payload and drop the connections or find the hub that has you listed and kill it somehow. It's totally irrelevant what OS you run, it's an attack against the interface. Different OSes handle it differently. It's best to have a hardware firewall out front, but then internal software firewalls like iptables are your second level of defense. Next is making sure only the network listeners you NEED are enabled. I manage a network that seems to have a big, red target painted on it. I deal with this all the time. Thank goodness for our Cisco, Foundry and Radware gear out front! They block most of it, the rest we deal with via iptables and we monitor EVERYTHING (my cell phone has almost melted on occasion from the SMS text alerts when a DOS is attempted). As to your problem, Comcast's first level techs (and I'm being generous using that term) are notoriously crappy as far as solving problems. They're not much more than telemarketers and work off a script. Ask them something off script and they're at sea. Can't say Time Warner is much better. One problem I had with them: Me: I'm not getting a DHCP address from you, your DHCP servers are down. Them: Which OS? Me: Linux. Them: Oh, we don't support Linux. Me: DHCP is DHCP you twit. The OS has nothing to do with it! Let me talk to a level 3 tech. (this went on for about five minutes, I threatened dire vengeance, then I got a level 3 guy [skipped level 2, they're idiots, too]) Level3Guy: What's the problem? Me: You're not giving out DHCP addresses. Your servers are down. L3G: I don't think so. Me: Dude, I'm watching a tcpdump of it. I'm sending requests and you're not answering. No denials, no responses, nada. L3G: Let me check. (long pause) L3G: Yeah, six of them crashed. Me: You don't monitor that sort of thing? L3G: Uh, guess not. Me: ARRGHHH! -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - If the enemy's in range...so are you! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines refreshing news on the internet a few weeks ago: a big load of spammers and internet attackers headed to prison Have some compassion now! The problem started with their childhood pottytraining! Ref: the basement guy in the Deniro/Norton move The Score -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Plain Text in Gmail (was Re: F9 Preupgrade does not list F10?)
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Plain Text in Gmail (was Re: F9 Preupgrade does not list F10?) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 6:27 PM On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 10:54 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: On that note, I turned in a feature request to google to add a per contact setting for Plain Text or Rich Formatting... Is there a way to vote for that? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines now hotmail AND yahoo have that option...hotmail dident wurk the first 2 weaks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 6:50 PM On Wednesday 26 November 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: Fred Silsbee wrote: K3b is a piece of work... the presence of a bug (arguably here in kernel-space) does not imply abondonment. The no verify ISO write is very very old! I remember it back when I was reporting to bugzilla! I'm aware of that. All signs (still) point to a kernel issue, potentially limited to certain brands/models of burners. That has to be the most likely explanation. Here k3b verifies on some boxes but not on others. Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! Ignore it and it will go away! Anybody else have the iso dvd burn noverify problem? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
weigh in if you have or have had the iso dvd burn no verify problem
after the burn/write, the DVD is ejected and then swallowed up again only to be ejected once more ! The error is no dvd found for verify! I am also available at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:10 PM On Wed November 26 2008 16:50:47 Rex Dieter wrote: I can understand the frustration, but I'm failing to see how these recent comments are in any way constructive or leading toward helping find a solution. -- Rex So, we should suffer in silence. Did you know being vocal is a way to vent frustration. ...dex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines also a way of getting things done...it bothers me when I see people streaming away from Fedora because of something like this yes I've heard it already...Fedora is not for everybody I did a contract job where they had centos...I had never heard of it! It was Fedora after castration! EEE! If there is an error don't lock up my cpu and DVD drive. Problem past! I have 3 good copies (verified several ways) Are you and rex dieter the same guy? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Konrad Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Konrad Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:58 PM K3b is a piece of work... I have 2 CD/DVD burner drives Plextor $120+ Sony $50 Fedora doesn't like the Plextor...I guess after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, I tried to burn a ISO-DVD. The simplest operation? I wasted 4 blanks making 3 final copies that haved been checked to be good!. The Plextor would get an error and then hang K3B I'd kill it with kill -9 and then the drive would be locked up and even hung the eject command. I had to reboot to open the drive. Sometimes I have to reboot to do a second operation! and even once the bring things back facility had the #$% thing running again. OH YES! an old error reported forever When making an ISO DVD, the verify write facility still doesn't work even on the Sony drive. It says couldn't find a DVD to verify. Make things easy: if there is an error: (1) release the drive announcing ithat the DVD is no longer blank! (2) eject the DVD (3) terminate all processes and subprocesses that stay running(i.e. die and go away) (4) work on the program some more. try hal-disable-polling to prevent hal from messing with the drive while burning. Konrad -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines how does one do that...command line bashhal-disable-polling or bashhal -disable-polling -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! Ignore it and it will go away! Relax. No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems take time and energy to solve. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there sorry to have troubled you! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:02 PM On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:15, dexter wrote: On Wed November 26 2008 15:59:49 Fred Silsbee wrote: after downloading F10 for 9.5 hours, Downloading on release day is for n00bs, I learnt this some time back! take it some days before or after. ...dex 9.5 hours is peanuts. Try it on dialup. Downloading my 6 cd iso's for F9 took between 12, and 14 days. You need a lot of patience when on dialup. I'm not even considering F10 at the moment. I'll have to psyche myself up once again, before going for the F10 iso downloads. Regarding burning. I've no experience with burning to dvd media, but have read that Plextor optical drives, expensive as they are, do have problems. I always burn to cd at the lowest speed (I did have problems burning at higher speeds with K3b), and havn't had any failures when burning at the lowest burn speeds. You mention that you have 2 burners, the Plextor one, and the Sony one, and when you had the dvd media in the Sony one, K3b couldn't find the media. That's probably no surprise, as K3b's config/preferences is no doubt set to look for media in the block device which is set for the Plextor optical drive. Saying that though, looking at K3b's settings configure K3b Devices. It says here. quote K3b tries to detect all your devices properly. You can add devices that have not been detected, and change the block values by clicking in the list. If K3b is unable to detect your drive, you need to modify their permissions to give K3b write access to all devices. end quote Looking at the Devices page on this machine which only has one optical drive, the line, System device name says /dev/scd0 (4.0.0). There is an Add Device button on the devices page. I'd suggest using that, and entering /dev/scd1, which may well pick up your Sony optical drive. Then (perhaps after a reboot) see if K3b will detect dvd media in your Sony optical drive. Just some thoughts, and only trying to help. Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Thanks lots of great ideas! I now remember years ago angry posts somewhere about the failed verify. The verify was not the problem (see original post). The big problem was the locking up of my drive and the ruining of 4 blanks! I had to reboot! If there is an error, kill the whole thing and unlock the drives.OK! The eject even locked up and after I did a kill -9, something was still running as evidenced by GKRellm. I had to reboot! F9 only took 2-3 hours and that is because I waited a few weeks after release. Hey...email me and I'll burn the CDs or DVDs and mail them to you! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: weigh in if you have or have had the iso dvd burn no verify problem
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: weigh in if you have or have had the iso dvd burn no verify problem To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:54 PM Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: weigh in if you have or have had the iso dvd burn no verify problem From: Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fedora List fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 11/26/2008 01:04 PM after the burn/write, the DVD is ejected and then swallowed up again only to be ejected once more ! The error is no dvd found for verify! I am also available at [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should state how you are burning. The program name. Disc type, (DL or not) and ISO type (Fedora 10 image? or your own?) If you're talking about Brasero, yes, I have this issue all the time. In fact I've also seen it with nautilus. Sometimes the DVD will get ejected after burning and sometimes it will be ejected, then the door will close automatically and immediately. Even for the exact same ISO file. There is no logic to it. I think this is a race condition between the automounter and the burning software: the burner resets the drive (thereby doing the eject), then it reloads the drive but Gnome or whatever is grabbing it before the burner code can. Perhaps disabling the automount would fix that. Just an idea to try. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Consciousness: that annoying time between naps. - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines How does one disabling the automount -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 yum tries to install F9 rpms
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: F10 yum tries to install F9 rpms To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:47 PM Dear All, I have just upgraded from F9 to F10. However, when I run 'yum update', it tries to install F9 rpms. Can I do something to avoid this problem? Thanks in advance, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines The question goes far beyond my knowledge but I am curious: which did you do: (1) use the install DVD ISO for F10 (2) use preupdate (3) liveCD method -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 10:53 PM On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:23:11 -0600 Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? Yes: go back to the old dvd drivers which were apparently changed for no reason, because they didn't have this bug, and if the change fixed some other problem it was a much rarer and hard to encounter one, so we are better off with the old bug than the new one :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines somewhere on today's post I was informed K3B was abandoned due to new features in the file managers. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: has K3B been abandoned?
--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jose Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jose Celestino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 12:12 AM Words by Arthur Pemberton [Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:49:47PM -0600]: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Phil Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred Silsbee wrote: --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: has K3B been abandoned? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:23 PM Fred Silsbee wrote: THIS is why I no longer post to bugzilla! Ignore it and it will go away! Relax. No one is ignoring it. It's *hard*. Hard problems take time and energy to solve. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it. Do you? -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Yes! I have dual boot! I'll switch to Bill Gate's XP Prof and do it there sorry to have troubled you! Just a quick query ... Why not just bring up nautilus or equiv in KDE, right click .iso, and burn ?? Most folks stopped using K3B when that functionality was added to the file browsers. Good Luck! KDE users use K3B. Hell. Even Gnome users use K3B. I changed to Gnome some months ago and I can't let go of many KDE apps, K3B has no rival (the other apps are, if you want to know, amarok, digikam and gwenview). -- Jose Celestino | http://japc.uncovering.org/files/japc-pgpkey.asc One man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: thanks I'll try that! tried Nautilus and had the identical problem -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
what exactly does preupgrade do?
I've saved emails from posters with conflicting opinions! Today is the day...right? Whoopee! I want to F9-F10 hopefully without downloading the dvd iso. Livecd instructions I already have -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Re: Erase cache, clean registry in Linux
under the KDE icon options is a cleaner --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Roberto Malinverni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Roberto Malinverni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Erase cache, clean registry in Linux To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 2:52 PM -Messaggio originale- From: Seann Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Erase cache, clean registry in Linux Manuel Gomez wrote: Hi, i would like to know a tool or software to erase the cache, clean the registry... Somebody could help me? Thank you very much, I appreciate your help. AFAIK, Fedora doesn't have a registry. Closest thing is the filesystem journal, and Inodes. I could be wrong though, but registry cleaning is limited to Windows. For the rest, I remember using a program called Kleansweep -- Il messaggio e' stato analizzato alla ricerca di virus o contenuti pericolosi da MailScanner, ed e' risultato non infetto. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running preupgrade on F9 doesn't see F10 as an option
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Claude Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Claude Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Running preupgrade on F9 doesn't see F10 as an option To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:20 PM On this F9 box, running the preupgrade-0.9.3-3.fc9.noarch version of preupgrade, I get the GUI but there are no upgrade options offered for F10; ticking the Display unstable... box gives me the option of upgrading to Rawhide, but still no F10 - Ideas? -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines the top man in rawhide once told me that if I used rawhide I'd be continually vexed by dependency problems few mirrors have F10 at this time fastest one showing 6 hours download time -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cambridge Launched to Explore Solar System (Fedora 10)
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cambridge Launched to Explore Solar System (Fedora 10) To: Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 5:52 PM As I don't recall this being forwarded to this list, thought I would anyway just to make sure you all got the announcement. Have fun, -- Mike Chambers Fedora Project - Ambassador, Bug Zapper, Tester, User, etc.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forwarded Message From: Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: fedora-list@redhat.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cambridge Launched to Explore Solar System (Fedora 10) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:45:18 -0800 DATELINE: 2008-11-25 KEY FINGERPRINT: 61A8 ABE0 91FF 9FBB F4B0 7709 BF22 6FCC 4EBF C273 LOCATION: GEOSYNC ORBIT, FEDORA SPACE STATION VIA GLOBAL IRC NETWORK BROADCASTING: FREEDOM FRIENDS FEATURES FIRST (Cue J. Strauss' Blue Danube.) THIS IS FEDORA SPACE OPERATIONS ANNOUNCING with great pleasure the successful launch of the new ship, Fedora 10: Cambridge. Strapped into the pilot seats are the latest GNOME (2.24) and KDE (4.1), accompanied on their amazing journey by an all star crew of glitch free audio, better printing and webcam support, and a new faster graphical startup. Also on this ride are wireless connection sharing and the next evolution in PackageKit, hooking through your multimedia applications to help install supporting software (codecs). For developers and system administrators on this mission, we have built in appliance tools, Eclipse 3.4, NetBeans IDE, improved virtualization management with remote installation and storage capabilities, RPM 4.6, and new security auditing toolsets. Please remember to polarize viewports to properly enjoy Cambridge's brand new graphics theme, Solar, shining on the desktop. Also on this flight is a new lightweight desktop environment, LXDE, joining the more recent desktop envionment crew member, Sugar (from the starship OLPC XO), and the venerable GNOME, KDE, and XFCE. We are now leaving drydock for a 13-month mission of innovation and exploration. Crew members and guests are invited to the forward lounge to use, study, modify, and redistribute. Get your copy of Fedora 10 today: http://get.fedoraproject.org/ Join the many thousands of Fedora particpants and contributors: http://join.fedoraproject.org/ If you missed the official launch, attend a Fedora 10 Launch Party near you: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReleaseParty [ This message was created by the Fedora Documentation Project ] -- fedora-announce-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines careful top posting, the leprechaun will get you http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/iso/ has F10 and is showing the fastest actual speed 6 hours left the usual mirrors with the best speed (in the past) don't have F10 yet -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Get F10 on usenet
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Get F10 on usenet
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:11 PM
john wendel wrote:
ftp.free.fr has posted F10 DVDs x86-64 and 386 to
Usenet -
alt.binaries.cd.image.linux.
Coming down here at 1MB/sec (from newshosting.com).
Get'um while they're still fresh!
Regards,
John
Thanks, I would have missed this. Great way to distribute
the DVD as it is trivial compared to all the other binaries
that come across usenet on a daily basis.
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thanks! NOW you tell me! {:{)}
I have just under 4 hours to go!
I wonder if anybody but me is downloading F10...hehe
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Re: Get F10 on usenet
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Get F10 on usenet
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:03 PM
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:52:38 -0800 (PST)
Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks! NOW you tell me! {:{)}
I have just under 4 hours to go!
Hey, it only took about an hour this morning at work with
our
new giant network pipe to download both i386 and x86_64 DVD
iso
via bittorrent (and MIS which previously would yell loudly
if
anyone downloaded big stuff never even whimpered :-).
I'm now copying them off my 8 gig USB stick onto my
home system...
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I am at home with my 3 Mbps cable modem! F10 takes 7-8 hours
Every time I've I've used bit torrent, it tells me initially what the estimated
download time is.
It is always much much longer than the regular download time estimate!
Do you know why?
Maybe it doesn't really take that long!
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Re: HELP - Run two commands at the same time, in the same window on the terminal
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Jose Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jose Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HELP - Run two commands at the same time, in the same window on the terminal To: Debian User List [EMAIL PROTECTED], fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:16 PM Hi, i would like to use macros (xnee) for answering my commands: For example (sh script): this is for encrypt a file with gpg gpg --e /directories/file - This encrypt the file cnee --replay output /file.xnl - This is for running the macro Then, gpg ask the name of the id, and file.xnl is a macro with the name recorded. I would like to run this at the same time, but with more commands and options. What could i do? Somebody know the response? Thank you very much, I appreciate your help. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines bash(sleep 10;echo hello) bashls -alF -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F-10 installs -
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Bob Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: F-10 installs - To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:09 PM In the near future I intend to replace Fedora 9 with 10. My bandwidth allotment is limited by the satellite provider I use so I have been installing the Live CD version and adding to that with yum. I rarely use the Gnome desktop beyond the initial install, replacing that with XFCE which works best for me. However it requires a lot of initial configuration to create what I want. That can take a week or more to get everything just right. But then I have a second computer to deal with, similar to this one which will also need the same configuration. I can easily transfer files between them but it's still a lot of work and takes nearly as much time as the first one. There's also a third ... It seems I must be doing something wrong? Can anyone suggest the optimum approach? I ideally I should be able to simply copy directories between boxes/users it seems. Thanks. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines controversial (I saved the emails): supposed to work F9-F10 (1) run preupdate (2) continue yum updates Bingo! you have F10 without downloading F10 DVD ISO (2-3 hours for me) be sure to save files first...sounds risky! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 DOS?
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 DOS? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 6:56 PM On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:23:06PM -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:20:33AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: F9 Boot up this morning took forever. The system seemed to be stuck on starting up sendmail. How to get around startups of services when startup hangs? sendmail hanging at startup is usually a DNS problem as requests are timing out Also, My firewall is showing massive udp packets with state 1:0 from a single ip address and I cannot ping to anything but my network ip address. Is this a sign of a DOS? Everything was working great when I shutdown last night. Not necessarily, it could just be that Comcast was screwed up for a while. They do use human being to maintain their network, and human beings are known to make misteaks from time to time Thanks. Well, around 1215 I booted up F9 and now everything is working normally. I have no idea what the problem was earlier unless Comcast was down. Either its was Comcast, or the DOS stopped. (yeah, I know, not too useful!) Thanks anyways. Every bit of info about how to deal with DOS and exploits is appreciated. Book references or URLs are also welcom. -- I had that problem until I went to services and disabled sendmail fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F-10 installs -
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F-10 installs - To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 9:25 PM On Mon November 24 2008 15:09:36 Bob Goodwin wrote: In the near future I intend to replace Fedora 9 with 10. My bandwidth allotment is limited by the satellite provider I use so I have been installing the Live CD version and adding to that with yum. I rarely use the Gnome desktop beyond the initial install, replacing that with XFCE which works best for me. However it requires a lot of initial configuration to create what I want. That can take a week or more to get everything just right. But then I have a second computer to deal with, similar to this one which will also need the same configuration. I can easily transfer files between them but it's still a lot of work and takes nearly as much time as the first one. There's also a third ... It seems I must be doing something wrong? Can anyone suggest the optimum approach? I ideally I should be able to simply copy directories between boxes/users it seems. Thanks. The optimum approach I use is livecd-tools, i.e you build your own desktop the way you want it at install time with what you want in it. (rpmfusion,some other random rpms) Start with the xfce spin kickstart file for ideas making sure to remove all the unneeded junk (junk=bandwidth=cash) and work your way from there, it becomes simple after a few goes and you don't have to keep downloading the same rpms to try again using the cache option. yes it will take about a week to tweak to your hearts content but when you get it just right, come F11 or Fsome other number time your laughing just roll-up a new spin. I think the spin folks even have their own list for more specific help if needed. ...dex what happened to the good news (I saved the emails) where one does preupgrade and continues to do yum update and ends up with F10? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F-10 installs -
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F-10 installs - To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:42 PM Bob Goodwin wrote: In the near future I intend to replace Fedora 9 with 10. My bandwidth allotment is limited by the satellite provider I use so I have been installing the Live CD version and adding to that with yum. I rarely use the Gnome desktop beyond the initial install, replacing that with XFCE which works best for me. However it requires a lot of initial configuration to create what I want. That can take a week or more to get everything just right. But then I have a second computer to deal with, similar to this one which will also need the same configuration. I can easily transfer files between them but it's still a lot of work and takes nearly as much time as the first one. There's also a third ... It seems I must be doing something wrong? Can anyone suggest the optimum approach? I ideally I should be able to simply copy directories between boxes/users it seems. I lack the ego to call this the optimum approach, but what I do with every new RH distro is to change the yum.conf to leave the rpms on /var/cache/yum. I have a pair of scripts, one mounts the master cache copy on /mnt/cache, and makes a symbolic link in /var/cache/yum to the saved RPMs. Then I do an upgrade. Last, I run the other script which copies the newly downloaded RPMs with rsync (using --safe-links) back to the master. When I do a new install, I use the original 1st install DVD, then mount the master and run yum upgrade to get up to date. The database is pulled off the net so I stay current, but no RPM is downloaded more than once. This avoids the drawbacks of keeping your own copy of the repo, having to get stuff you don't use, and having to keep it current. If what I have isn't current the current RPM is access on the network, and I never pull something I haven't used on some machine in the group. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Think I'll stick with F9 for a while! I've heard 4-5 stories so far. Best story: run preupgrade F9-F10 and continue yum updates We have far more to fear from the vanity of the arrogant than from the foolishness of the wicked. - from Me -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Preupgrade ??
--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Preupgrade ?? To: Fedora-Maillist fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 5:09 PM FC8/KDE Will it be possible to use Preupgrade to upgrade from FC8 to FC10, when FC10 stable is released ? I understand that you should upgrade from FC8 to FC9 , but since there is so many bugs in FC9/KDE I would rather just skip FC9. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines The old question that had controversial answers: Simple: answer 1: I have F9 I run preupgrade I continue to do yum update and...I will have F10 without further ado answer 2: I download iso dvd F10 and do an upgrade F9-F10 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Preupgrade ??
--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Preupgrade ?? To: Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:31 PM --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Preupgrade ?? To: Fred Silsbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:03 PM On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:40:03AM -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Preupgrade ?? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 5:54 PM On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 09:46:47AM -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Preupgrade ?? To: Fedora-Maillist fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 5:09 PM FC8/KDE Will it be possible to use Preupgrade to upgrade from FC8 to FC10, when FC10 stable is released ? I understand that you should upgrade from FC8 to FC9 , but since there is so many bugs in FC9/KDE I would rather just skip FC9. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines The old question that had controversial answers: Simple: answer 1: I have F9 I run preupgrade I continue to do yum update and...I will have F10 without further ado This method of update from F9 to F10 will not work if /boot is not on its own partition. answer 2: I download iso dvd F10 and do an upgrade F9-F10 -- how does one determine if /boot is on its own partition. From my original install (automatic partitioning) I believe it is! The simplest way that I know of is to run the command /sbin/parted -l as root. This command will list all the partitions of all the devices attached to your system. If you have only one partition, then /boot is not on its own partition. Thanks I got: Model: SEAGATE ST336705LW (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 36.7GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 1 32.3kB 206MB 206MB primary ext3 boot 2 206MB 36.7GB 36.5GB primary lvm so I guess /boot is on its own partition. and preupgrade will work. bottom line: If I do a preupgrade F9-F10 and continue yum updates, I'll move effortlessly into F10 without the time consuming F10 iso dvd download. right? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
any oci8/php5 people awake out there?..yeah yeah.. I submitted to php forum
Don't wake up the leprechaun since this post is a little out of place
but we have so many bright guys here...
The code below doesn't do the insert into Oracle 11g1.
I've tried the insert statement in a session:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log_book]$ sqlplus landon/PassWord
SQL*Plus: Release 11.1.0.6.0 - Production on Sat Nov 22 16:01:39 2008
Copyright (c) 1982, 2007, Oracle. All rights reserved.
Connected to:
Oracle Database 11g Enterprise Edition Release 11.1.0.6.0 - Production
With the Partitioning, OLAP, Data Mining and Real Application Testing options
SQL select * from log_book where actype='B-17';
no rows selected
SQL quit
Disconnected from Oracle Database 11g Enterprise Edition Release 11.1.0.6.0 -
Production
With the Partitioning, OLAP, Data Mining and Real Application Testing options
?php
$db = (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = 127.0.0.1)(PORT = 1521))
(CONNECT_DATA =
(SERVER = DEDICATED)
(SID = FSGDNSID)
)
);
if ($conn=oci_connect('fred', 'PWD',$db))
{
echo Successfully connected to Oracle.\n;
}
else
{
$err = OCIError();
echo Oracle Connect Error . $err['message'];
}
$stid = oci_parse($conn, 'insert into log_book values (
TO_DATE('08/12/1973','MM/dd/'),'B-17','N5787G',1,1.8);');
$r = oci_execute($stid );
oci_commit($conn);
OCILogoff($conn);
echo end;
?
produces: Successfully connected to Oracle.end
This is my first php/oci8/oracle insert! What could be simpler! HELP!
In desperation, I used em to give myself every possible privilege !
Not good but after it works, I can go back and correct and learn privileges!
I rebooted and tried this again to no avail.
I suspected a commit problem but oci_execute has commit as default!
The table has no primary key defined since no values are unique.
I have a similar table with a row id!
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yumex error but yum update ran without problem (nothing to update)
2.6.27.5-37.fc9.i386 yumex error...yumex window disappeared when I closed the error window Error Type: class 'yum.update_md.UpdateNoticeException' Error Value: No id element found File : /usr/share/yumex/yumex.py , line 737, in module mainApp = YumexApplication() File : /usr/share/yumex/yumex.py , line 446, in __init__ self.setupYum() File : /usr/share/yumex/yumex.py , line 467, in setupYum self.yumbase._setupBase() File : /usr/share/yumex/yumapi.py , line 80, in _setupBase self._setupUpdateMetadata() File : /usr/share/yumex/yumapi.py , line 137, in _setupUpdateMetadata self.updateMetadata.add(repo) File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/update_md.py , line 319, in add un = UpdateNotice(elem) File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/update_md.py , line 69, in __init__ self._parse(elem) File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/update_md.py , line 146, in _parse raise UpdateNoticeException(No id element found) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 - no longer rawhide?
--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora 10 - no longer rawhide? To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:35 PM On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 21:19 -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: there seems to be a difference of opinion on this list about whether preupgrade will accomplish F9-F10...see posts within the last 5 hours What difference of opinion? Please reread the various posts on this. There is no contradiction in regard to what preupgrade does. Several people have posted on this and we're all saying the same thing. Upgrading from one version to the next is what preupgrade is *for*. You can run it right now and upgrade to F10-pre if you want to, or if you're not sure, wait till the F10 official release and do it then. It's entirely up to you. For what it's worth, I upgraded to F10 a few days ago and am very happy with the result (I used the DVD image, not preupgrade). poc (A) difference of opinion? excerpt from previous emails __ No, you are mistaken. *+--- If you do nothing special, yum update will continue to update to F9. It will NOT change to F10 automatically. No, you, in fact, are mistaken. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-November/msg00517.html ___ (B) the theme or subject here is to be able to advance to F10 without WITHOUT having to download the F10 ISO This would be really great! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Steven Stern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steven Stern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 5:41 PM http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 19:08 -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: using yum, will it be possible to go from F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image and going through an update If you download and apply the changes to go from F9 to F10, you're doing an update. That's what update means. The alternative is to download the whole thing and do a fresh install. poc If I download what? the iso image, preupgrade Be clear! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:06 PM On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 09:51 -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Steven Stern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steven Stern [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 5:41 PM http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 19:08 -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: using yum, will it be possible to go from F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image and going through an update If you download and apply the changes to go from F9 to F10, you're doing an update. That's what update means. The alternative is to download the whole thing and do a fresh install. poc If I download what? the iso image, preupgrade The whole thing means the iso image (either a full DVD or a Live CD). You can't do a *fresh install* with anything else. Is this not clear? poc is this right? yum install preupgradenow then continue to do yum update and I will end up with F10 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:46 PM On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:11 -0800, Fred Silsbee wrote: The whole thing means the iso image (either a full DVD or a Live CD). You can't do a *fresh install* with anything else. Is this not clear? poc is this right? yum install preupgradenow then continue to do yum update and I will end up with F10 No. Preupgrade is an application which you need to run after installing it. After doing that, do not run 'yum' again until you reboot. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade poc Just in from Cronenworth: is this right? yum install preupgradenow then continue to do yum update and I will end up with F10 No. You do not have to install preupgrade now. Only install it if you wish to run it yourself manually. The Fedora team will put out regular yum updates that should get you to Fedora 10. Don't worry about anything if you want everything to happen automatically -- that's the point of automation. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ftp and /bin/false
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Bazooka Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bazooka Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ftp and /bin/false To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:41 PM I just migrated from fc4 to the latest cent. in fc4 i used /bin/false for users that I only wanted ftp access and no shell. That doesn't work in cent - I have to give them a shell to ftp. How do I change it so /bin/false can ftp only in cent like it was in fc? -bazooka I know this is a cent question but I didn't get any love from that list. do you use vsftpd? if so as root: vi /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf and look at the options...eqivocal wording selinux will intervene when you use it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:30 PM Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 11/14/2008 04:06 PM No, you are mistaken. If you do nothing special, yum update will continue to update to F9. It will NOT change to F10 automatically. No, you, in fact, are mistaken. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-November/msg00517.html Yum update will not automatically update to a new release still. The hook to preupgrade from PackageKit is only present for Fedora 10 release and even then, it is explicitly a option on the desktop and not something automatic. Rahul well I used yumex to get preupgrade I suppose one should wait until F10 is out before running preupgrade -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image
--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:30 PM Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image From: Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 11/14/2008 04:06 PM No, you are mistaken. If you do nothing special, yum update will continue to update to F9. It will NOT change to F10 automatically. No, you, in fact, are mistaken. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-November/msg00517.html Yum update will not automatically update to a new release still. The hook to preupgrade from PackageKit is only present for Fedora 10 release and even then, it is explicitly a option on the desktop and not something automatic. Rahul what does the following mean: The hook to preupgrade from PackageKit is only present for Fedora 10 release (1) after Fedora 10 is out I run preupgrade (2) then yum update as normal break the process down in steps otherwise there is confusion -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 - no longer rawhide?
--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora 10 - no longer rawhide? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 5:06 AM On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:27:12 +0100 Thorsten Leemhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody should try and report the results. I just tried it. I just now updated one of my computers from F8 to F9 using preupgrade. It had (has) rpmfusion-free and rpmfusion-nonfree installed, along with several rpms from there. And the rpmfusion stuff (mplayer and the like) updated transparently and automatically along with everything else. So the answer to my initial question, How does preupgrade interact with rpmfusion? is perfectly. rpmfusion is not a problem or an issue when using preupgrade. It all just works. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com DRY CLEANER BUSINESS FOR SALE ~ http://www.canadadrycleanerforsale.com there seems to be a difference of opinion on this list about whether preupgrade will accomplish F9-F10...see posts within the last 5 hours on subject Re: F9 to F10 without downloading an F10 iso image Does one wait until F10 is out to run preupgrade? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SOLVED (I think) Re: yum update error
--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Kevin Kempter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Kempter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SOLVED (I think) Re: yum update error To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:27 PM On Wednesday 12 November 2008 01:09:36 pm Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:12:36 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: Tiy updating again. Your mirror(s) is(are) behind in syncing up with newer versions of libquicktime, gstreamer-plugins-bad, etc. I found that there's an apparent conflict between rpmfusion-free-updates and livna. Very weird, since you should get _newer_ pkgs from rpmfusion-free-updates. Can you show some Yum queries about several of the pkgs you are concerned about? libquicktime, ffmpeg-libs, gstreamer-plugins-bad for example? And what x264 pkg is installed? Thanks for the info. I found that in all the packages you mentioned aboe I had both a livna and an rpmfusion version installed. I removed the livna versions, disabled the livna repo and life seems to be good (i.e. yum update now works) Yum update gives me this: -- Finished Dependency Resolution libquicktime-1.0.2-3.lvn9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems There's a newer one in rpmfusion. Same applies to the other pkgs in your quote. Also note: http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/9/00_PLEASE_READ.txt But if I run with rpmfusion-free-updates disabled it works fine: yum --disablerepo=rpmfusion-free-updates update Is this something I should be concerned about ? Not much in Livna's repo is left. It has been emptied. See the linked README file. What repository URLs do you use? I have both and have no problem ...YET Guess I'd better follow up on this! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: yum update error
--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: yum update error To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:09 PM On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:12:36 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: Tiy updating again. Your mirror(s) is(are) behind in syncing up with newer versions of libquicktime, gstreamer-plugins-bad, etc. I found that there's an apparent conflict between rpmfusion-free-updates and livna. Very weird, since you should get _newer_ pkgs from rpmfusion-free-updates. Can you show some Yum queries about several of the pkgs you are concerned about? libquicktime, ffmpeg-libs, gstreamer-plugins-bad for example? And what x264 pkg is installed? Yum update gives me this: -- Finished Dependency Resolution libquicktime-1.0.2-3.lvn9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems There's a newer one in rpmfusion. Same applies to the other pkgs in your quote. Also note: http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/9/00_PLEASE_READ.txt But if I run with rpmfusion-free-updates disabled it works fine: yum --disablerepo=rpmfusion-free-updates update Is this something I should be concerned about ? Not much in Livna's repo is left. It has been emptied. See the linked README file. What repository URLs do you use? I have: Netrw Directory Listing(netrw v109) /var/cache/yum Sorted by name Sort sequence: [\/]$,\.h$,\.c$,\.cpp$,\.[a-np-z]$,*,\.info$,\.swp$,\.o$\.obj$,\.bak$ Quick Help: F1:help -:go up dir D:delete R:rename s:sort-by x:exec .../ ../ adobe-linux-i386/ fedora/ livna/ rpmfusion-free-updates/ rpmfusion-free/ rpmfusion-nonfree-updates/ rpmfusion-nonfree/ updates-newkey/ updates/ ..gpgkeyschecked.yum and no trouble/errors yet! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: K3B ???
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: g [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K3B ??? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:51 AM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim wrote: FC 8 i386 I want to upgrade my Laptop, and I want to burn /home/user folder on to a DVD to save. But using K3B if I do a burn of /home/user folder, it will burn contents of /home/user, but it won't burn files or sub directories in folders in /home/user WHY ?? is 'user' a regular directory you created, or is it a link? in lower section of k3b, are you clicking 'new data dvd project' to open 'current projects'? when you say '/home/user', are you dragging '/home/' or just 'user'? when you drag to 'current projects', what prompt do you get after you drop? - -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJGQE4+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAjGhAJwL4bYXmSpIYt/qS16np3RbjViL6wCfbKea Pio2YXghcD6vpfWauoE5llQ= =fCVP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Once a K3B operation I was attempting just stopped It was because somehow in my home directory I had a file owned by root and of course I had no right to read. I fixed the problem and the operation succeeded! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
hotmail under firefox or Konqueror
this morning hotmail has a new look but under F9 KDE 4.1.2 I cannot switch to text mode or even make an entry into the body of the email -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Oracle 11g1 on Fedora 9
success don't depend on any of the internet instructions on how to do this install all are missing information critical to the install better to: otn.oracle.com look for the forum and see the recent threads I've posted and the answers I've gotten (wow did I learn a lot) There are even false/missing instructions given even on the Oracle website! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
hotmail doesn't work
under F9 Firefox 2.0.3 hotmail doesn't work also under XP Prof IE7 and Firefox 2.0.3 good old outsourcing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Oracle 11g1 is installed...little way to go yet
somebody was asking about 11g1 on F9 otn.oracle.com is a great support site my battle is there in a few posts answers Mysterious problems I saw years ago! http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/11g/OracleDB11gR1InstallationOnFedora8.php http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B28359_01/install.111/b32281/toc.htm beware Oracle sites that start off with: runInstaller -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora / RedHat - The problem
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, David Timms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Timms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora / RedHat - The problem To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:12 PM Brian C. Huffman wrote: ... a Sunday night and my wife needs to print a paper for tomorrow. what / i thought we had moved past actual tree printing ;-0 and on to pdfs or the original documents ... davet. ps. vmware is screwing with my keyboard 1 -- My last yum update installed a new Open Office 2.4 use XP Prof??? Vista??? Risky! I just cleared a MS security update that stopped internet traffic fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora / RedHat - The problem
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora / RedHat - The problem To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:41 PM Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 23:51 -0500, Brian C. Huffman wrote: My Fedora cups / samba server worked before and now it doesnt. Was it an update that broke? I dunno. Reading /var/log/yum.log would let you see what'd been updated recently. But this is why RedHat / Fedora is never going to take the upper hand. Oh bullcrap! As if the exact sort of thing doesn't happen (surprise failures) on every other computer platform... it most certainly does. At least with Linux you stand a much better chance at diagnosing the fault, because you have proper logs. Does the creation of *.rpmnew or *.rpmsave files get logged somewhere? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux already took the upper hand in Munich Germany 3 (?) years ago: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=10100433 I dual boot but I trust Fedora more than anything!!! It is looking superb! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora / RedHat - The problem
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora / RedHat - The problem To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:49 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 3) My daughter's Toshiba laptop with Windows Vista: insert the install CD *which came with the printer*. Chug chug chug. Printer not working, in fact not even visible to Vista. Download a later install CD from hp.com. Still not working. Contact HP Support by email ... dolly back, fade to black ... Three days later, after half a dozen emails back and forth, get a newer version of driver CD, which can't be installed directly but has to be physically burned to a CD. Finally get the thing sort of working, when it's the right phase of the moon (I'm skipping the dozen or so system reboots of course). So, whose fault is all this? The driver belongs to HP, the system belongs to MS. My answer: the fault is the whole blasted Windows ecosystem. That's sort-of ignoring the fact that XP has worked with more equipment than anything else and probably for a longer time than anything else. Blame vista for changing interfaces which is what breaks things. Something Microsoft does every decade or so (and maybe they've learned something from it now) and linux continues to do about every month. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] take the computer back and demand XP Prof! Many are doing this who in their right mind would buy Vista Even MS gave up on it...sure you can still buy it but... The # of HP horror stories will keep me clear of anything HP but printer cartridges -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help starting mysql.
--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Reg Clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Reg Clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help starting mysql. To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:45 AM When I do a mysqld start (from /etc/rc.d/init.d), there is a long pause, mabe a minute, and then the message Starting MySQL: [FAILED] The first time I tried starting mysql, I saw in the mysql.log file the following messages --- 081028 14:41:25 mysqld started InnoDB: The first specified data file ./ibdata1 did not exist: InnoDB: a new database to be created! 081028 14:41:25 InnoDB: Setting file ./ibdata1 size to 10 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 081028 14:41:25 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile0 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile0 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 081028 14:41:25 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile1 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile1 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... InnoDB: Doublewrite buffer not found: creating new InnoDB: Doublewrite buffer created InnoDB: Creating foreign key constraint system tables InnoDB: Foreign key constraint system tables created 081028 14:41:26 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 0 081028 14:41:26 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 081028 14:41:26 mysqld ended --- Starting the 2nd time, I see the messages --- 081101 00:30:36 mysqld started 081101 0:30:36 InnoDB: Database was not shut down normally! InnoDB: Starting crash recovery. InnoDB: Reading tablespace information from the .ibd files... InnoDB: Restoring possible half-written data pages from the doublewrite InnoDB: buffer... 081101 0:30:36 InnoDB: Starting log scan based on checkpoint at InnoDB: log sequence number 0 36808. InnoDB: Doing recovery: scanned up to log sequence number 0 43655 081101 0:30:36 InnoDB: Starting an apply batch of log records to the database... InnoDB: Progress in percents: 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 InnoDB: Apply batch completed 081101 0:30:36 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 43655 081101 0:30:36 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 081101 00:30:36 mysqld ended --- I dont remember this error from when I used mysql before. Whats going on here, and how do I get the daemon started so I can actually send mysql commands to setup the database? -- Reg.Clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora 9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ kde4-config --version Qt: 4.4.3 KDE: 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2) kde4-config: 1.0 (1) click fedora icon far left (2) administrationservice management (gear icon) (3) find mysqld and enable,start..wait for the green light under root mysql mysqlcreate user fredsilsbee; mysqlgrant all on *.* to [EMAIL PROTECTED] identified by 'password'; mysqlcreate database fredx; get out of root to another user fredxyz mysql -h localhost -u fredsilsbee -p this works mysql -h localhost -u fredsilsbee -p -D fredx this works mysql -u fredsilsbee -p -D fredxthis works mysqlshow -u fredsilsbee -p fredx this works mysql -u fredsilsbee --password='3141' this works fredx is the database name -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed?
--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Marcelo Magno T. Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marcelo Magno T. Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 8:55 PM Em Sex 31 Out 2008, Steven W. Orr escreveu: On Thursday, Oct 30th 2008 at 23:57 -, quoth Anoop: =On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Under F9, kde, I don't see how to get to the controls to cause my taskbar to = hide? Anyone know where the controls are? =Update to the new KDE packages using yum. You will get auto hide feature. =To enable auto hiding: = o Unlock the widgets. = o Click on task bar plasma cashew. = o Click more settings. = o Click auto hide. = I feel like a mental midget! I did the update so now I'm running kde-4.1. It looks good. I just don't see how to Unlock the widgets. If I can get that far then I'm ready for the next challenge of The Mighty Cashew. You can unlock the widgets by clicking the color palette icon on the top-right corner of the screen or by right-clicking the plasma panel. If you don't see an Unlock widgets option there, this is because they're already unlocked. In this case, you'll see Lock widgets. []'s Marcelo Thanks I've been waiting for auto hide! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Oracle 11g1 on Fedora 9
http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/linux/ArticlesLinux.php -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Which one is better Ubuntu Or Fedora 9
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Which one is better Ubuntu Or Fedora 9 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:07 PM On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Aldo Foot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall the big win with ubuntu is that they've managed to get most of the packages you are likely to ever want into a set of pre-configured repositories that are generally consistent with each other. With RPM based systems you'll end up having to track down an assortment of 3rd party repositories that are not consistent so you'll end up with install conflicts or having to maintain different applications on different machines to isolate them. This is in my view the deal breaker in an enterprise setting. ~af And also has nothing to do with RPM itself. A big guy in the rawhide business told me use rawhide and you'll be constantly faced with dependency issues. I love complexity but in programming languages and RDB. Teamwork has brought me many great Fedora facilities and I appreciate the experts who provide. Endless emails about whether a laptop will run Linux? Buy the _ thing and if it doesn't work, take it back! Why waste weeks trying to do the impossible. Maybe one could rewrite some of the software or drivers! -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Tony Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tony Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:07 AM On Tuesday 28 October 2008 21:20:11 Robert L Cochran wrote: I think your best bet is to use CentOS 5.2 rather than Fedora and then follow the very detailed instructions that Oracle offers for 11g installation on Linux. If you follow Oracle's instructions the install should work. The problem with Fedora is, it goes into new versions faster than most people can blink. Bob Cochran If you decide to go the Centos route then a good installation guide for Oracle 11g is available at http://www.idevelopment.info/. I've used it to install the last couple of versions of Oracle and found it excellent. Tony Gene Poole wrote: Does anyone have experience installing and running the Oracle 11g database on Fedora 9? The machine has a AMD X2 64-bit 5600+ with 4 GB RAM. Thanks, Gene today or tomorrow I should have 11g1 installed on F9 in the install there is a warning about the OS name not being on the list but the install continues! BTW...The install instructions haven't changed much in the last 3 versions of Oracle. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wish To Know The Basics of Installing/Downloading a Fedora Operating System
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ubique Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ubique Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wish To Know The Basics of Installing/Downloading a Fedora Operating System To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:08 AM *Wish To Know The Basics of Installing/Downloading a Fedora Operating System * Hello, I have the following request: Background - I have an Internet connection on a Dell Server (Home based and being used as a stand alone machine or a 32 bit machine) having a Windows 2003 Operating System installed. Dell Server does not have a very reliable CD/DVD burner. It can read only. Do not know much about it. Want to do the following a) Download a Fedora Operating System on a folder in the hard disk. And transfer it out of this computer to another stand alone machine which currently has only a 256 MB RAM with the help of a pen drive/pen drive having a 1 gb capacity. Wish to install using the pen drive after wiping out the earlier Windows Operating Systems - Win XP installed on it. Possible? How? Step- By -Step please. Thanks. Armoredfish buy a reliable DVD burner (necessary these days Sony $50) download Fedora 9 for your computer type 32 or 64, 686? check sha1sum burn the dvd reboot to the dvd if you can boot to the flash memory stick (4+ gig) no need to burn the dvd. I just saw a Corsair 64 gig at Fry's electronics for $139 32 gig going for less -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: the proposed super-duper new f10 laptop
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: the proposed super-duper new f10 laptop To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:07 PM is there anything i should know about linux compatibility with the following: * dell studio 15 laptop * intel core 2 duo T8100 CPU (2.1GHz/800MHz FSB) * WUXGA display * 4GB shared dual channel DDR2 RAM @ 667MHz * 320GB SATA HD * 256MB ATI Mobility Radeon 3450 video * Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy is there anything on that list that should give me pause regarding running fedora (or linux in general)? thanks. rday Dell has a 30 day no excuse return policy..problem solved BTW how much is that beast? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FEDORA net etiquette
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FEDORA net etiquette To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:15 PM On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:17:37 +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: [...] My question: are there rules for the fedora email traffic saying: do not use signatures? I used to wish modern scholarship in the widest sense (Wissenschaft) could be anonymous; but I came to realize that the same assertion carries different weights, and maybe different connotations, according to who makes it. That turns out especially true in a context like the present. For those of us who are not technoids nor were meant to be, there is very practical value in learning who speaks for Fedora, who is especially good at explaining things in simple terms, who has the patience to stick with a topic till we grasp it, etc. Also, at least some newsreaders (for those of us whose electronic lives Gmane routinely saves) let you rearrange threads by poster -- a great convenience. So I urge people to take some slight effort to put something reasonably distinguishable both in their From: fields and at the bottoms of their posts. Beyond that deponent opineth not. -- In EE grad school, I had a prof with a PhD in geophysics from MIT. In a course Adv EE math, I had to go to the chalk board and erase 50+% of his writings and correct! He got stuck on the indicial shift in the method of Frobenius! He was a great guy otherwise...we played tennis! Maybe he could not think on his feet! Science should be devoid of politics and politicians! Who is like the hacker in The Score with Deniro and Norton? Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9
--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gene Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gene Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Oracle 11g on Fedora 9 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:58 PM Does anyone have experience installing and running the Oracle 11g database on Fedora 9? The machine has a AMD X2 64-bit 5600+ with 4 GB RAM. Thanks, Gene-- http://www.puschitz.com/ has been a great Oracle install help site (dunno now) Once an Oracle install was deemed impossible by any person other than Oracle long time admins. Looks great on your resume! I did the install twice in pre Fedora Redhat. Now I enjoy MySQL! fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
