Re: yum: the package manager I love to hate

[Jake Peavy]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Bryn M. Reeves  wrote:

> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 12:13 -0400, Jake Peavy wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Bryn M. Reeves 
> > wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 11:56 -0400, Jake Peavy wrote:
> > > I'd like to buy a vowel.
> >
> >
> > Yum is not a package manager.
> >
> > Huh?  "The Yellowdog Updater, Modified (YUM) is an open-source
> > command-line package-
> > management utility for RPM-compatible Linux operating systems"
>
> Yeah, I read that about a second after hitting send ;)
>
> What I'm getting at is that yum provides a tool for solving
> dependencies, downloading packages and managing repositories of software
> but it does this as a layer above the package manager (rpm). A few years
> ago it was common to hear statements like "apt is a much better package
> manager than RPM" which is kinda an apples-to-oranges comparison. Folks
> I knew at the time distinguished between the bits by calling the lower
> level (deb/rpm) the package manager and the other bits the "dependency
> solver" or whatever but obviously my use is outdated or niche - fixed
> that now ;)
>

haha ok, I guess I feel like it's MORE accurate to say yum is a package
manager because it manages the RPM packages, but I digress.  Semantics was
never my strong suit, thus engineering over law :p


>
> > > Can someone tell me what package xxd is in?
> >
> >
> > I use this:
> >
> > qwhich () { if [ "$1" == "" ]; then echo "usage: qwhich
> > " ; fi ;
> > rpm -qf `which $1` ;}
> >
> > $ qwhich xxd
> > vim-common-7.2.148-1.fc11.x86_64
> >
> >
> > Again, I don't see that this is a useful technique. If I had it
> > installed (such that it appeared in rpm -q or which) I wouldn't need
> > to install it.
>
> Nothing in your original mail suggested that you were trying to find out
> what package contains something that is not installed. The above is
> actually pretty useful and I use it regularly to find what package
> installed some binary in $PATH. That might not be useful to you in this
> instance but it does answer the question "Can someone tell me what
> package xxd is in?".
>
> If you want to answer that question for something not already installed
> and have a relatively recent yum then you can use a wildcard as the
> argument to whatprovides:
>
> $ sudo rpm -e vim-common vim-enhanced
> $ yum whatprovides */xxd
> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
> updates/filelists_db
> | 7.0 MB 00:04
> 2:vim-common-7.2.148-1.fc11.x86_64 : The common files needed by any
> version of the VIM editor
> Repo: fedora
> Matched from:
> Filename: /usr/bin/xxd
>
> If you're only interested in executables installed in a bin/ directory
> then use a pattern like "*bin/xxd".
>

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough originally.

And I guess I assumed that yum had the wildcarded behavior built in (seems
to me that it should anyway).

Regardless, thanks for the assistance.  I'll remember this next time I go
head to head with yum.

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Re: yum: the package manager I love to hate

[Jake Peavy]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Bryn M. Reeves  wrote:

> On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 11:56 -0400, Jake Peavy wrote:
> > I'd like to buy a vowel.
>
> Yum is not a package manager.
>

Huh?  "The Yellowdog Updater, Modified (*YUM*) is an open-source
command-line *package*-*management* utility for RPM-compatible Linux
operating systems"


>  > Can someone tell me what package xxd is in?
>
> I use this:
>
> qwhich () { if [ "$1" == "" ]; then echo "usage: qwhich " ; fi ;
> rpm -qf `which $1` ;}
>
> $ qwhich xxd
> vim-common-7.2.148-1.fc11.x86_64
>

Again, I don't see that this is a useful technique. If I had it installed
(such that it appeared in rpm -q or which) I wouldn't need to install it.

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Re: yum: the package manager I love to hate

[Jake Peavy]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 11:56:54 -0400,
>  Jake Peavy  wrote:
> > I'd like to buy a vowel.
> >
> > Can someone tell me what package xxd is in?
>
> If it is installed, you can do:
> yum whatprovides `which xxd`


This does not appear to be useful information.  If I had it installed I
wouldn't need to install it??

Or are you saying I need to put the complete path for xxd as the argument
for whatprovides?  How am I supposed to know where the RPM I don't have
would install it?  oh, yum.


> Reading version lock configuration
> 2:vim-common-7.2.148-1.fc11.x86_64 : The common files needed by any version
> of
>   : the VIM editor
> Repo: fedora
> Matched from:
> Filename: /usr/bin/xxd
>
>
>
> 2:vim-common-7.2.148-1.fc11.x86_64 : The common files needed by any version
> of
>   : the VIM editor
> Repo: installed
> Matched from:
> Other   : Provides-match: /usr/bin/xxd
>

aha, vim-common  done.  thanks.

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yum: the package manager I love to hate

[Jake Peavy]

I'd like to buy a vowel.

Can someone tell me what package xxd is in?

Here's the progression:

1) yum install xxd 
2) yum whatprovides xxd 
3) yum whatprovides od  (worth a shot?)
4) google: yum install xxd  
5) google: yum xxd  
6) google: fedora xxd  
7) search gmail fedora list archives: xxd 
8) pull hair out
9) compose message to mailing list...

TIA..

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Re: Question on shredding a terebyte drive

[Jake Peavy]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dean S. Messing  wrote:

> I have a terebyte sata drive that I need to securely wipe clean.  It
> originally had 2 partitions.  I deleted them using `fdisk', rebooted,
> and then as root ran
>
>shred -vz /dev/sdd
>
> The drive is capable of about 60MB/sec, but shred is only "shredding"
> about 25MB every 5 seconds according to its output.  Since the default
> number of passes is 25, this works out to about 5 days.
>
> The `shred' process is running at 100% CPU, presumably computing
> the special random patterns for erasure.  Since I have 4 CPUs
> would creating 4 unformatted partions on the drive and then running
> something like:
>
>   shred -vz /dev/sdd1
>   shred -vz /dev/sdd2
>   shred -vz /dev/sdd3
>   shred -vz /dev/sdd4
>
> in parallel cut my time?  Would be just as secure?
>  
>

The question is where the bottleneck lies.

If you think it's CPU bound because of rand bit patterns, shred it with just
the non-random patterns (IIRC I think you set this by limiting iterations,
the first few iterations are standard patterns: all zeros, all ones, 1010)

My other suggestion would be to use an old junker PC, plug in your drive and
boot DBAN and let it churn away for a while.  DBAN may be optimized and may
run faster (and probably does a more secure job) than shred.

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Re: USB I/O performance

[Jake Peavy]

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> Just a quick note to call people's attention to
>
> http://marc-abramowitz.com/archives/2007/02/17/getting-good-performance-out-of-usb-hard-drives-in-linux/.
> This is a couple of years old but it worked like a charm for me.
>
> Briefly, there's a kernel parameter
> called /sys/block/sd[a,b,...]/device/max_sectors (for USB drives sda,
> sdb etc.). This specifies the maximum size of a disk I/O operation for
> USB storage devices in units of 512 bytes, the default value being 240,
> i.e. 120KB (see http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#i5). The max_sectors
> value can be changed doing "echo N > ..." as root, and can have a
> dramatic effect on write performance for USB devices such as pendrives.
>
> I tested this by writing over 2GB to a fresh VFAT filesystem on a 4GB
> Kingston Data Traveller pendrive plugged into a USB2 port with the EHCI
> driver (as indicated by dmesg). With the default setting, this took
> nearly 90 minutes including a final sync to flush the buffers. Using a
> max_sectors value of 1024 -- the highest the system would accept -- the
> time was reduced to under 16 minutes, a better than 5 times speedup.
> YMMV of course, as different brands of pendrive can have very different
> performance characteristics.
>
> Note that the value resets to the default when you unplug the drive, so
> you need to set it manually each time. I don't know if there's a way to
> do this automatically, or change the default value 
> permanently.
>


There are probably other ways, but you could create a udev rule to run a
shell script to set the value each time your particular device was plugged:

http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#external-run

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Re: man 5 proc?

[Jake Peavy]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Steven W. Orr  wrote:

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> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/17/09 12:01, quoth Jake Peavy:
> > man 5 proc doesn't return on my system.  Do I need to install a package?
>
> Are you saying that the command hangs? Or are you saying that the command
> says
>  "no entry for proc in section 5 of the manual"?
>
> If the former then you need to see where the hang is. If the latter then
> the
> relevant package is man-pages. Use rpm -q man-pages to see if it's
> installed.<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines>
>

Sorry, it was the latter, I should have provided more detail.  But yes,
adding man-pages fixed it.  I assumed since I had man grep and so on that I
had everything I needed but I guess not ;-)

Thanks.

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man 5 proc?

[Jake Peavy]

man 5 proc doesn't return on my system.  Do I need to install a package?

TIA

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Re: F11: No video -- anaconda or live -- 8800GTX

[Jake Peavy]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Jake Peavy  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jake Peavy  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jake Peavy  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/06/09 18:46, Jake Peavy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Was going to put F11 on my Dell XPS710, but neither Anaconda installer
>>>>> (on x86_64 installation DVD) nor x86 LiveUSB bring up video.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Did you try basic mode Xdriver=vesa  on the dvd,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, to no avail (X startup failed)
>>>
>>> I could certainly install in text mode
>>>
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on this?  Is anyone running F11 on GeForce 8800GTX?
>>
>> The text-based install doesn't install any of the GUI stuff.  I thought I
>> could just reconfigure once I got booted up.
>>
>
> This post <http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223212#2>describes 
> my issue exactly.  Dual 8800GTXs seems to be the problem.
>
> Any suggestions other than removing the second 8800 temporarily would be
> welcome.
>

The problem appears to be that X requires the two video cards to be
identified in xorg.conf with their PCI BusIDs.

Because of the problems I have experienced, originally I was only able to
install in text mode, but, as the guy at fedoraforum mentioned, for some
!&*@&*%$ reason, you don't get to partition the drive when you install in
this mode and it took the whole volume.

So it's been a struggle so far, but I want to repartition.  I could probably
use gparted but I can't remember if it can resize LVM.

Or I could re-install, provided I'm somehow able to provide my own xorg.conf
to Anaconda.

So is that possible?  Can a user supply a custom xorg.conf to Anaconda?

For the record, this has been a real goddamned nuisance and IMHO certainly
not something a so-called "average user" could have taken on.

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Re: F11: No video -- anaconda or live -- 8800GTX

[Jake Peavy]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jake Peavy  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jake Peavy  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/06/09 18:46, Jake Peavy wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Was going to put F11 on my Dell XPS710, but neither Anaconda installer
>>>> (on x86_64 installation DVD) nor x86 LiveUSB bring up video.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Did you try basic mode Xdriver=vesa  on the dvd,
>>>
>>
>> Yes, to no avail (X startup failed)
>>
>> I could certainly install in text mode
>>
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  Is anyone running F11 on GeForce 8800GTX?
>
> The text-based install doesn't install any of the GUI stuff.  I thought I
> could just reconfigure once I got booted up.
>

This post <http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223212#2> describes
my issue exactly.  Dual 8800GTXs seems to be the problem.

Any suggestions other than removing the second 8800 temporarily would be
welcome.

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Re: F11: No video -- anaconda or live -- 8800GTX

[Jake Peavy]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jake Peavy  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:
>
>> On 15/06/09 18:46, Jake Peavy wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Was going to put F11 on my Dell XPS710, but neither Anaconda installer
>>> (on x86_64 installation DVD) nor x86 LiveUSB bring up video.
>>>
>>>
>> Did you try basic mode Xdriver=vesa  on the dvd,
>>
>
> Yes, to no avail (X startup failed)
>
> I could certainly install in text mode
>

Anyone have any ideas on this?  Is anyone running F11 on GeForce 8800GTX?

The text-based install doesn't install any of the GUI stuff.  I thought I
could just reconfigure once I got booted up.

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Re: F11: No video -- anaconda or live -- 8800GTX

[Jake Peavy]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:

> On 15/06/09 18:46, Jake Peavy wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Was going to put F11 on my Dell XPS710, but neither Anaconda installer
>> (on x86_64 installation DVD) nor x86 LiveUSB bring up video.
>>
>>
> Did you try basic mode Xdriver=vesa  on the dvd,
>

Yes, to no avail (X startup failed)

I could certainly install in text mode but half the point of going to F11
was to try out nouveau on my card and I'm not sure if this experience means
I'm going to have a lot of problems with it.  (ext4 would be nice too after
seeing the phoronix benchmarks..)

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F11: No video -- anaconda or live -- 8800GTX

[Jake Peavy]

All,

Was going to put F11 on my Dell XPS710, but neither Anaconda installer (on
x86_64 installation DVD) nor x86 LiveUSB bring up video.

Video card is Nvidia GeForce 8800GTX (G80/NV50 I think).  This seems to be
well supported by nouveau according to the website, but I'm not getting any
love so far.

Any thoughts/ideas?

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Re: cell phone

[Jake Peavy]

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Rambod Kamaei wrote:

> hi to list.
> can i install fedora packages in my cellphone?
>
> Best Regards,
>
>  Rambod Kamaei (PhD)
> CCIE, CCNP, Linux Expert.
>
>
Of course.

Dial #5516614*2*5*607#95982100992369 for ffmpeg
Dial #76961536240#5*642626#0447#9283 for j2se
Dial #71750197753***1683914114*25244 for xine

And so on.

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Re: curl question...

[Jake Peavy]

On 4/1/09, bruce  wrote:
>
> Hi guys...
>
> I know this isn't the list for this question.. but i'm trying to get a
> quick
> resolve for a problem i have.. i'm prety sure it's user related.
>
> i'm doing a curl to a site, and not getting the results i'm looking for..
> i've got the cookies/user-agent set.. i'm looking to talk to someone
> offlist
> about what i'm doing, and what i get.. to see if you/they get the same
> thing...
>
> so.. if there's anyone here, who's skilled with curl/cookies/user-agent,
> etc... and you're up to looking at my issue, let me know!
>
> thanks
>
> ps.. the curl mailing list hasn't replied as of yet..
>

I didn't see your post to the curl list...  perhaps you had technical
difficulties?   I find Dan is very responsive.

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Jake Peavy]

On 3/5/09, g  wrote:
>
> Jake Peavy wrote:
> > On 3/3/09, Steve Searle  wrote:
> >>
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
> >
> > Dammit!  Missed it.
> >
> > Does anyone have a copy they can email me?  The site says we can share
> with
> > friends ;-)
>
>
>  email 
>
> are you aware that file is approx 130,919,531 bytes?
>


That had not occurred to us, Dude.

Is it still being seeded?  Does anyone have a tracker?

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Re: [OT] Free download of Linux Fromat for 24 hours

[Jake Peavy]

On 3/3/09, Steve Searle  wrote:
>
> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only
>

Dammit!  Missed it.

Does anyone have a copy they can email me?  The site says we can share with
friends ;-)

TIA

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Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server

[Jake Peavy]

On 2/14/09, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
> Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote:
> >
> >
> > most people with automatic updates might not have noticed, but if
> > you look closer, the recent bunch of updates, including KDE 4.2,
> > installs the MySQL server on the machine (and some other database
> > related stuff which MySQL depends on).
>
>
> Took a quick look at http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/ and on the surface
> seems like a reasonable direction/idea.  So, not quite sure as to why
> you may consider this to be a big issue.
>
>
Linux bloat continues unabated.

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Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!

[Jake Peavy]

On 2/12/09, Mikkel L. Ellertson  wrote:.


I'm #100!  boo ya ka shah!

eat my shorts, suckas!

this thread sucks my ass!

hahaha

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-jp

Laurie got offended that I used the word "puke." But to me, that's what her
dinner tasted like.

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Re: Omega 10 release

[Jake Peavy]

On 2/4/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
>
> Globe Trotter wrote:
> > I noticed that there was a bunch of iso's. How do we decide which is for
> a
> > 64-bit system or a 32-bit system?
>
>
> They're probably all 32-bit. They're also all GNOME. :-(
>

What's the point of the Omega project anyway?  I couldn't easily determine
it in the 90 seconds I was willing to allocate to finding out.

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Once when I was in Hawaii, on the island of Kauai, I met a mysterious old
stranger. He said he was about to die and wanted to tell someone about the
treasure. I said, "Okay, as long as it's not a long story. Some of us have a
plane to catch, you know." He told us about his life and all, and I thought:
"This story isn't too long." But then, he kept going, and I started
thinking, "Uh-oh, this story is getting long." But then the story was over,
and I said to myself: "You know, that story wasn't too long after all." I
forget what the story was about, but there was a good movie on the plane. It
was a little long, though.

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Re: Omega 10 release

[Jake Peavy]

On 2/2/09, Globe Trotter  wrote:
>
> Is there an Omega 10 release out? A google search only provides me with the
> beta iso.
>

ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/spins/ ?

-- 
-jp


I think a good product would be "Baby Duck Hat." It's a fake baby duck,
which you strap on top of your head. Then you go swimming underwater until
you find a mommy duck and her babies, and you join them. Then all of the
sudden, you stand up out of the water and roar like Godzilla. Man those
ducks really take off! Also Baby Duck Hat is good for parties.

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Re: how to identify the missing perl module to be installed

[Jake Peavy]

On 1/16/09, Robert P. J. Day  wrote:
>
>
>   is there a quick way to map a perl module to its corresponding
> package to be installed?  someone just dumped a perl script on one of
> my systems, and it fails with:
>
>   "Can't locate IO/Uncompress/Gunzip.pm in @INC ... etc etc "
>
> fair enough, so which of the perl module packages would i need to
> install?  taking a shot in the dark, on one of my other systems, i
> ran:
>
> $ yum search perl-IO-Compress
> ...


**
perl -MCPAN -e 'install IO::Uncompress::Gunzip'

provided your CPAN module has been configured.

-- 
-jp

I think somebody should come up with a way to breed a very large shrimp.
That way, you could ride him, then after you camped at night, you could eat
him. How about it, science?

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F10 Live: Boot and Install to Hard Drive without X

[Jake Peavy]

Hi all,

Is there a method by which I could boot the Live image but into text mode?

And, if so, is there a way to then proceed to install the image to the hard
drive?

I wouldn't mind installing the complete, normal (X-enabled) Live image to
the drive and then just not making use of X, but I don't have enough RAM on
that machine to run X reliably.

TIA,
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Instead of a trap door, what about a trap window? The guy looks out it, and
if he leans too far, he falls out. Wait. I guess that's like a regular
window.

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