Re: Help wanted with dist-cvs to git conversion
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 14:07, Lubomir Rintel lkund...@v3.sk wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:05 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2009/12/11 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com: For the initial testing, just giving every user a @feodraproject.org domain would be sufficient, however we should have a discussion about whether to use this email address or to use the user's real email address. Definitely @fedoraproject.org email addresses. A lot of us use them even in Bugzilla, all my packages have the fp.o address in %changelog. I dont want to fiddle around when i change my real email address. Just pop in to FAS and change it there, done. A big -1 for this. Your A lot is in fact a tiny fraction and for some of us an e-mail address is important mean for identifying an user (Oh, this is John Doe of Canonical, ...). I think no one will ever agree on this particular issue. Maybe we could add a setting in FAS where each one can decide I want to use my personal address or I want to use my @fp.o address. Then when FAS is requested for an email address, it would answer the one the user chose. I know adding configuration is almost never a good idea, but in this case, it might be the only way to avoid endless sterile flamewars. :-/ -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 190 packages with .la file(s)
Hi PY, On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:56, Pierre-Yves pin...@pingoured.fr wrote: Dear all, Looking at: $ yum whatprovides *.la |grep x86_64 |wc -l 190 surprises me a bit. Do we have 189 bugs waiting to be filled ? (I filled one this morning) I guess some of these cannot be changed but I guess some can. [snip] sugar-base-0.86.0-1.fc12.x86_64 : Base Sugar library I'm co-maintaining it, so I'll try to have a look at this one. Thanks for the heads up. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
Well, a couple of Fedoras back, X didn't work except with radeonhd, but now radeon appears to support this one as well; I switched to it, and the CPU issue is gone even with KMS. Now fonts (esp small ones) look very smudgy though. But I suppose there are already bug(s) open on this. Don't suppose. Either search Bugzilla to see if that's the case, or report it anyway. If one keeps supposing the bug was already reported, it might never get fixed. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
3D cannot be essential to users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive mush. How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are* essential to them. A friend of mine has an old computer, which is « turned into unresponsive mush » by 3D, as you say. But at least, now he can read what's on his screen, and thus actually use his computer. ;) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: livecds in the future
For the really network starved, there is netinst.iso where you start with 200M~ and only download the specific packages you wish to install, minimally about 200 packages. I think Ben is talking about /users/ with poor network access, the ones who come on IRC asking for help because they have trouble installing with the LiveCD. Not sure the netinst.iso would fit their needs... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
PKI (Was: Re: Meeting Log - 2009-11-19)
Hi, 20:25 dgilmore mmcgrath: id like to try work on updating koji auth/ and notifications during F-13 life cycle 20:26 ricky PKI would be nice too :-) 20:26 -!- |pitr| [n=kv...@91.150.139.57] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:26 mmcgrath #idea updating koji auth and notifications 20:26 mmcgrath #idea pki (ricky says he'll do this and it'll be done by january) 20:26 mmcgrath :-P 20:26 * ricky runs [snip] 20:28 smooge pki? 20:28 smooge sorry.. will talk off chan 20:28 mmcgrath smooge: yeah our pki right now is very... ehh manual 20:28 mmcgrath and not fun to manage :) Not sure that's what you're looking for, but the guys I work with have created this neat Python module to handle CAs and certs: http://bitbucket.org/faide/pki/ It's free software (MIT or PSF). Would that help ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Proposal: Python 3 in Fedora 13
perl6 That's already a Fedora 12 feature. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Rakudo_Perl_6 -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: CVS1 and selinux
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 15:49, Mike McGrath wrote: Selinux on cvs1 is now in enforcing mode. Please keep an eye out for any oddities or broken services and let us know. I'm curious, why was it disabled in the first place ? I guess that's because of something that was discussed before I joined this mailing-list, and I'm interested in knowing the problems that arose (and the way they were fixed), just for the sake of learning :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Approval?
Hi, Hey guys, Well I haven't been approved yet to join the sysadmin base group, so I don't think I can work on anything yet, am I? Well, I am currently in school right now and I'm not sure if there is anything I can do that fits my skill level. Any suggestions? When can I get approved? Mike asked you this in the other thread you had opened: Welcome Eric, was there anything in particular you were interested in working on? I also joined recently, so I might be wrong, but as I understood it, now is not the time to be approved. You first have to actually do some work, and get to know the group. For example, if you're interested in the web apps side of the team's job, you could start hacking on Bodhi, Koji, PackageDB, etc... That's why you should first answer Mike's question IMHO, so that the old timers here can guide you :) Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: bodhi formatting
Hi, I wanted to be a good packager and include the upstream CHANGELOG lines in the update notes of bsf-2.4.0, but bodhi does not accept empty lines (error) nor linebreaks (ignored). How is that text supposed to be formatted? For best results, you can use the MarkDown syntax. Right now, PK understands it and will display it nicely. I'm working on it on the Bodhi side, so that Bodhi displays it nicely as well. Patches are available, waiting for Luke to accept them or ask me to rework them :) https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/286 -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Re: Licensing issue in OpenLayers package (already in Fedora)
So, it is legally possible to do a clean room reimplementation of this code, but it does not look like that is what happened with the existing jsmin.py. Basically, what someone would have to do is to write a version of jsmin, looking only at an algorithm description, but never jsmin.c. Ok, thanks for confirming this was a possibility. Red Hat Legal compared this jsmin.py to the jsmin.c code, and it is their opinion that it is not a clean-room reimplementation, but rather a conscious translation from C to Python. If I had to guess, if pressed, the jsmin.py author will admit to having looked at jsmin.c. I actually asked him, to be sure, and that's what he told me as well, that he simply translated into Python. So, you can either find someone to make a jsmin in a clean room reimplementation, then use it, or rework your package to not use it. I removed the jsmin tools from the source tarball of OpenLayers and rebuilt it for F-11 and Rawhide (I don't have the commit access in F-10, and it will be EOL-ed soon anyway, if that really matters I'll ask for the commit ACL and do it there as well). In the future, I'll try to see if another Javascript minifier couldn't be used instead of jsmin and what the OpenLayers devs think about it. Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: Adding a project to transifex
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 23:17, Matthew Boothmbo...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/09/09 21:55, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Booth wrote: I went over to https://translate.fedoraproject.org/ earlier with the idea of adding my project. The translations are now hosted at http://transifex.net/ (the main Transifex instance). Was there an official announcement about that? I think the guys at Indifex (the company that Dimitris and others founded) only created transifex.net like a place to host translations, just like Gitorious or Fedorahosted for hosting development, not as a replacement of Fedora's Transifex instance. So I guess you could host your project there, or in translate.fp.o. The only difference is that there, you might have a much bigger community of translators, not just Fedora translators. For more informations, I suggest you ask the Infrastructure team in #fedora-admin or on their mailing-list. They'll be more indicated to answer you about hosting on translate.fp.o ;) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpm/mock: can't upbuild FC10 targets on FC9 host
Could the root cache be broken? Incompatible changes in RPM between F9 and F10 ? BTW, F9 was EOLed in July, so if it's broken now, I doubt it will be fixed. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpm/mock: can't upbuild FC10 targets on FC9 host
So... run it as whom? As your normal user. Just add it to the mock group: # usermod -G mock your user -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora Test Day Summary - Sectool
I think part of the problem may have been that people (at least, me, and I take myself as generally representative of the typical super-lazy Fedora-using schlub :) don't know what sectool is, what it's for, and where it fits into Fedora...it sort of blindsided me when it showed up on the Test Day schedule, so I didn't know who to promote it to or how to sound exciting / excited about it. I hadn't really heard of sectool before it showed up on the schedule. Has it been discussed / introduced / hyped up on Planet before? Sectool was a Fedora 10 feature: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SecurityAudit -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora swag
@Mathieu Bridon That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / European orientated? Something awesome just happened. The people at Spreadshirt France saw this message, and they wrote us an email, to explain they had decided to transform the Fedora-Fr account into a premium one, so that the shop would be available in different languages. Try it, now there is a language chooser at the top right \o/ Here is the list of countries where Spreadshirt will deliver: http://www.spreadshirt.net/en/GB/Service/FAQ-1328/categoryId/8/articleId/542 Resurrecting the Shop SIG sounds like an exiting idea to me and I've been playing with this idea since it came to me yesterday. Although I wouldn't know where to start. Does anyone have some good suggestions on this? I guess I'd have to add me to the list on the wiki as a start. Basically, this is how anything happens in Fedora: 1. someone is motivated, starts doing things and tries to get others to join 2. ... Actually there's no 2. :) Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora swag
@Mathieu Bridon That is exactly the shop I've found. It would be nice to know if Spreadshirt spreads to more then just France. If it does, what are the possibility's and opinions on making that shop more internationally / European orientated? Something awesome just happened. The people at Spreadshirt France saw this message, and they wrote us an email, to explain they had decided to transform the Fedora-Fr account into a premium one, so that the shop would be available in different languages. Try it, now there is a language chooser at the top right \o/ Oh, and by the way, Spreadshirt people. Now I know you read this mailing-list, so: thanks a lot! :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora swag
After taking a little bit more time I bumped into an other possibility; a French web-shop which had a whole wardrobe of fedora clothing (and yet again very limited accessories). Besides that, I don't know French and I couldn't discover a possibility to switch to English (I might have not looked good enough though). I suppose you're talking about this: http://fedora-fr.spreadshirt.net/fr/FR/Shop This is the shop that we (the french Fedora NPO) have set up to sell swag and make a little income to finance events, media production, etc... It seems you can't select the english language as, well... the shop is mainly for french people :) However, I'm not sure Spreadshirt would even deliver the products to the Netherlands. I'll try to have more informations about that. I also found out that there's a Fedora Shop SIG at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store (referring to this mailinglist). Unfortunately the most recent activity seems to be somewhere around in 2008. Now my actual question; is this SIG still alive and if not, how much interest is there to reincarnate it? I'd be happy to assist where I can. The reason that I'm asking here is because the page doesn't state on contacting a person or other mailing-list than this one. Now, how do we have swag to distribute at events ? The answer is simple: we (Fedora ambassadors) produce them. Either the Fedora Project produces a lot of them and sends some to local Ambassadors so they can distribute them, or the local teams produce them themselves (that's what we do in France). As an individual, I guess your best bet to have some swag would be to attend an event, go to the Fedora booth and chat with the Ambassadors there, I'm sure they'll give you some :) Or, you could also try to ressuscitate the Shop SIG... :] Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Joining the Fedora Infrastructure team
Hi, I'd like to join the Infrastructure team, so here is my introduction. I'm a junior system engineer. I have a short (one year) experience managing RHEL (2.1 to 5, yes we still have 2.1 in production :'( ) web servers running J2EE applications with Apache/JOnAS (please, don't ask me the versions of those two, you might have nightmares ^^'). I'm also getting familiar with TurboGears web applications as I'm developing one myself. [1] Finally, for the skills that might be of interest to the Infrastructure team, I'm a Fedora package maintainer. [2] My motivation for joining the Infrastructure team is that I feel like I can help, even if only a little, and I'm sure I can learn a lot from this (and I love learning :) I'll try to be around this thursday for the IRC meeting. Let me know if there's something I can do in the meantime. Best regards, [1] https://fedorahosted.org/shomyu/ [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/bochecha -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Updates lacking descriptions
With you folks demanding more explicit changelogs you are rudestly pushing around package maintainers and force them to waste time to fullfill your solely burecratic demands. I just think they will keep doing the same... What else ? Filling bug report for every changelog not correctly formed ? That's not an option. And since we are a group of volunteers IMHO what should be done is advertised that it is advice to write down something which make sense and explain why it should be done and who uses it. You can't do anything else... Being a group of volunteers doesn't mean we shouldn't aim for more quality. If the update isn't worth at least giving a link to the changelog / fixed bugs, is it worth pushing as an update? Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned
sorry, I meant 'orphaned' in the sense that its listed maintainer is no longer appropriate - it needs to have the listed maintainer changed to an appropriate person / group. Wouldn't that be to the current maintainer to say so? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: source file audit - 2009-08-10
Hi, This was run against Rawhide right? bochecha:BADURL:adonthell-0.3.5.tar.gz:adonthell Fixed in Rawhide (at least after the freeze is lifted). erikos:BADSOURCE:sugar-base-0.85.2.tar.bz2:sugar-base This is a development release. As per the roadmap, 0.85.3 should be out pretty soon [1]. I'll just let this one like this, it will be fixed by the end of August when one of us updates the package. Thanks for the reminder, that's a great help in keeping the Fedora repositories a bit saner! :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: enigmail for F-11's thunderbird ?
Actually, why does rpmfusion-free even exist? A cheeky question, admittedly, but I'm honestly curious. AFAIK, it's because there are some free software that are not acceptable in Fedora. A free implementation of a patented codec comes to mind. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Consistent PolicyKit system policy
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 15:42, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Tim Waugh wrote: What is the goal of the default Fedora PolicyKit policy system-wide, and how can we check that PolicyKit mechanisms' default policies are adhering to it? Generally where I'd like to move to is where the RPM package defaults are appropriate for a shared computer lab PC, and the desktop spin kickstart modifies things as appropriate for the unmanaged home PC/laptop. I'm confused, does this mean that the desktop spin doesn't (or won't) use the RPM package defaults? If so, what about someone who install a « shared computer lab PC » using the desktop spin? After all, users of this « shared lab PC » need a desktop, so the admin could think the desktop spin is the most appropriate... That seems confusing, and potentially misguiding :-/ Or did I simply not understand what you meant? Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Firefox SELinux bug from Alpha Blockers meeting.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:06, Matěj Ceplmc...@redhat.com wrote: Adam Miller maxamill...@gmail.com writes: Today in our F12Alpha Blocker meeting we discussed the status of the Firefox SELinux bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512845 And we were hoping to get in contact with caillon, stransky, jhorak for more information on the bug as well as send this to the developer list in order to get any outside feedback that others might have on the topic of this being a F12Alpha Blocker. It is taken care of. Don't worry about it. I had made a comment in this bug, asking about a similar bug in Epiphany that SEAlert had reported to be the exact same one, but AIUI Epiphany doesn't depend on Gecko anymore but on WebKit-GTK. I can't see if someone had answered me, as the bug is now private, for security concerns I guess. If you stil have acces to it, could you tell me if I was answered ? Or even better, could you answer me ? :) I just wanted to know if I should open a new bug report for Epiphany as SEAlert got confused or if it is indeed the same bug, in which case I'll be patient. Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-11: system-config-printer -- windows printer -- You are not authorized to carry out the requested action
The printer is attached to a windows box. At the time of running system-config-printer, the windows box is on. This used to work just fine on F-10 and earlier... I think s-c-p now uses PolicyKit. As such, run it as your normal user, you'll be prompted for the root password just when you need the authorization, removing the need to run a whole graphical application as root. I wouldn't have a clue about the windows end. Your best bet is probably the list url I gave. Where more users, In a similar situation. would be active. I also think this would be much better on the users list. Best regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: More Fedora mock breakage
ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by exim-4.69-12.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by crontabs-1.10-31.fc12.noarch rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by logrotate-3.7.8-3.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by tar-2:1.22-6.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by openldap-2.4.16-2.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by ncurses-libs-5.7-3.20090207.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by grep-2.5.3-5.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by ncurses-base-5.7-3.20090207.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by gdbm-1.8.0-33.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by xz-4.999.8-0.8.beta.fc12.x86_64 rpmlib(PayloadIsXz) is needed by ustr-1.0.4-9.fc12.x86_64 ... while trying to build rawhide packages under mock. Host is a fully up2date Fedora 10 x86_64 system, selected mock config is fedora-rawhide-x86_64. I had the same on F11, building in a Rawhide mock. I was advised to update rpm to 4.7.1 that was in updates-testing, which fixed the problem. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Anaconda packages
OK, in which package can I find your mkimage script. revisor ? livecd-tools ? pungi ? Just pick the one you prefer :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fit and Finish test day: batteries and suspend
Do you feel like writing up a use case involving a UPS ? As Adam stated in his reply, there is really nothing we can do since UPS devices are not supported at all. I haven't gotten around to bug hunting, but is there a bug for UPS support in DeviceKit? Anything? From today's update in Fedora 11: $ rpm -q --changelog DeviceKit-power | head * lun. juil. 06 2009 Richard Hughes rich...@hughsie.com - 009-1 - Update to 009 - Fixes many problems with multi-battery laptops - Use pm-powersave like HAL used to - Fix detecting UPS devices - Add support for recalled laptop batteries Notice the line about UPS. Now, I have no idea if that means proper support or not, but it seems like it is coming :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Fedora on Netbooks (Was: Re: Reminder: Meeting in 24 hours, #fedora-meeting)
The last event that I attended, I got a bunch of questions regarding Fedora usage on various netbooks. I believe that this is a marketing problem more than it is an engineering problem, because we have a variety of Fedora spins (including the default one) that would work fine on Netbooks. I think we need a simple page -- /wiki/Netbooks -- that offers some best practices/tips/troubleshooting/etc. for people who are using Fedora on different Netbooks. I also had a lot of these questions at LSM. It turned out people were more looking for a spin dedicated to netbooks (see UNR), they didn't really want to know that Gnome runs perfectly fine with a small display. Last time I checked, we didn't have such a dedicated desktop environment in our repositories, did I miss something ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: $HOME/bin
Hi, I was wondering why there's no $HOME/bin directory and $HOME/bin not mentioned in the $PATH variable. Any particular reason not to have that by default? Stefan Hi, because most people don't need it? True. Look at your /etc/profile (or ~/.bash_profile, I don't remember). There should be something like: [ -d ~/bin ] PATH=~/bin:$PATH Which means that the folder will be added to your PATH if it exists. I'm on Windows XP right now, so I can't verify it, but iirc there's something like that. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)
Maybe I should clarify my use case experience. After I used GParted to format the HDD to ext3 (and ext4 later) I tried to create a folder on the HDD. I could not do this as a normal user, only as root. You can create files/folders with users if they « own » the HDD. But then, another user won't be able to do so. I tried to do what you want some time ago, but all I could find was to create several user owned directories on the HDD, then each user could write in his folder. If there's a way to have the « FAT behavior », I'd like to know it as much as you :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)
Create a top-level folder on the USB drive that's owned by your userid, then you can create any subfolders that your heart desires. This is totally broken if the disk is used on multiple computers. Having to maintain same UID-username combinations on the different computers is just not good usability. At least, on all Fedora desktop, the first created user has the same UID (501) right ? And as most desktops are single user anyway, this is less trouble than it would seem. However, fun starts when you plug your HDD in a cyber-café or another multi-user desktop environment :) The way I'd like it to work is that all the files would appear to be owned by the user who mounted the disk, regardless of what was stored in the filesystem metadata. The rwx permission bits could well be applied as usual. That sure would be great. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes
Does this look ok? --- comps-f12.xml.in.orig 2009-07-02 15:39:02.0 +0530 +++ comps-f12.xml.in 2009-07-02 19:49:32.108616562 +0530 @@ -520,6 +520,17 @@ /packagelist /group group + idbooks/id + _nameTechnical Books/_name + _description/ + defaultfalse/default + uservisibletrue/uservisible + packagelist + packagereq type=defaultdiveintopython/packagereq + packagereq type=defaultldd-pdf/packagereq + /packagelist + /group + group idbuildsys-build/id _nameBuildsystem building group/_name _description/ What if we start including non-technical books (like educational material for the OLPC) ? If the group name is Technical books, so should be the group id don't you think ? Might be bikeshedding, but if we can avoid closing some doors... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26
Rahul, I question the point of ... making laundry lists of pros, cons, bugs of desktop X vs Y... I'm sure folks can come up with a similar list of gnome (or other) related negative items, or kde-only features too but I question it's constructiveness. My only comments here: 1. The desktop spin *is* gnome for cryin out loud. Seriously, common sense is just screaming in my head to call a spade a spade. 2. A bigger question to me is what does it mean to be the default desktop. All this it's the default because... comments make me wonder if folks are just grasping for reasons to justify the status quo. Where or how is this documented anywhere? If it isn't, shouldn't it be? We have a Desktop team. So IMHO the default desktop is what they decide it to be. They are currently focused only on Gnome. If they were focused on KDE, then the default desktop would be KDE. To change that, it would take some KDE contributors to join the Desktop team. When both are as well represented in the Desktop team, then the default desktop might be both of them. If KDE becomes more represented in the Desktop team, then it might become the one default desktop. To me, it's only a matter of who does the work. Would you complain that most of our webapps use TurboGears instead of Tomcat ? No, simply becasue that's what those who do the work (the Infrastructure team) decided to use. That's the same for the Desktop team. It doesn't take any policy to change this fact. It takes people willing to do the job where it needs to happen, in the right team. Just my thoughts anyway... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: !Help Development of WPA_SUPPLICANT
But how can i modify the source , For example think i just added a printf(HARSHA); in wpa_supplicant/main.c main () function, How do i compile it.. How do i install my compiled executable! so that in wpa_supplicant.log i can see the text HARSHA, That's not specific to wpa_supplicant. Just rebuild the srpm with your own tarball, and install the resulting rpm. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What I HATE about F11
Ubuntu has an admin group, and users in that group can use sudo due to this line in sudoers: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL I might suggest this as a feature unless anyone else wants to (or thinks I shouldn't) ? # grep -n wheel /etc/sudoers 81:## Allows people in group wheel to run all commands 82:# %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL 85:# %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL All you have to do is uncomment one line ;) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What I HATE about F11
The way it is done right now, you have a system that might give too few permissions to some users. If that causes a problem, you'll notice it, and you can correct it in a very simple way (uncomment one line and add a user to a group). However, if we change the default, you have a system that may be giving too much permissions to some users depending on your taste. And the worse part is that you (as an admin) might not even know it ! Bikeshed! Must be some weird stuff smoking admin who simply adds someone to the wheel group not knowing what that group was for! The purpose of the wheel group has always been to be used for more privileged users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_%28Unix_term%29 http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/W/wheel.html Did I say the contrary ? I don't think so, but being a non-native english speaker, I might have said something I didn't want to :) I didn't say the wheel group was a nonsense or a problem. I was responding to Richard who wanted the line to be uncommented (harmless per se) AND the first user to be added to the wheel group by default. Having the admin's user in the wheel group to be able to use sudo for administrative tasks is a great idea. I just don't think it should be added by default, without an explicit consent of the admin. For example, a « add to the wheel group » checkbox in system-config-users and firstboot could be great. Not sure it would be a good idea to have it checked and hidden by default. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Strange /etc/fedora-release and smolt help
I'm trying to figure out whats going on here so I'm off to the list. Smolts.org is reporting people checking in with both: Fedora 11 Leonidas and Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) Can anyone with F11 installed look at what is in their /etc/fedora-release and tell me which one you have, and how you installed? Also what version of fedora-release you have. $ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) # smoltSendProfile UUID: 8e71bd57-f8f2-4793-b68b-99bfee6f3aa2 SE: Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) ... # rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-11-1.noarch I installed it from Snapshot live CD, then updated. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock
I too agree. Sorry to say but still it works like a beta release for me!! There are lot of things need to be addressed. I suppose you reported the bugs before Fedora 11 was released, so that the issues could have a chance to be fixed in time ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Hands-on: new Fedora release goes up to 11 but doesn't rock
It wouldn't be too dificult to release an updated iso with the appropriate patches would it? That's what Fedora Unity does with their respins. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: rpms/polkit-gnome/devel polkit-gnome.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
How could we document that when in doubt, clicking through to the full review guidelines should be done? After each item in the review guidelines, add a [more] link that points to the relevant section in the packaging guidelines ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpms/polkit-gnome/devel polkit-gnome.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
MB After each item in the review guidelines, add a [more] link that MB points to the relevant section in the packaging guidelines ? Do you realize that the document already has footnotes doing exactly that? Wow ! Looks like I was not entirely awake when I looked at them, I missed the footnotes (and I wonder how, it's not like they are hidden :-/) Sorry about that... Note for self: stop drinking before you look at a page and say something dumb ^^ -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 11 and Ext4: The Straight Bits
I don't mean to meddle here, but didn't Ubuntu have ext4 with their Jaunty Jackalope release? Fedora 11 will not be the first to include ext4. Fedora 11 will be the first to *have it by default*. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Maintainer Responsibilities
You are still presuming your users to be interested in developing and working on your package. This simply does not apply - They want to use your package. I see 2 possibilities: * either the user wants his/her bug fixed, in that case he/she is responsible for reporting it to the appropriate place, * or the user does not care about having the bug fixed, that's fine with me, we can just close it, less work for me. ;-) If somebody actually cares, he/she'll report it upstream. If nobody cares, why bother fixing it? And why can't this somebody be the package maintainer ? I mean, a package maintainer should care about the software he packages, otherwise, why is he packaging it ? :-/ -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Packager = Programmer?
I wish I knew how to organize some optional program language specific skills development sessions aimed at packagers that made sense..but I don't. Nothing like a cert or anything like that, but to introduce packagers and potential packagers to languages just as a good skills building exercise. More than learning development skills for the language you package, it would be great to introduce stuff like how software is build / installed. I'd love to learn how autotools, setuptools, and other equivalents for other languages work. Not necessarily because I want to build a project using those, but because I sometimes have a hard time figuring out how to patch a Makefile in one of my packages, why I should patch a .in or .am file,... Actually, those would be great ideas for Fedora Classrooms I guess. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Maintainer Responsibilities
I agree. Demanding them to take any responsibility on that report, even testing it again makes them just think twice next time to report anything. [snip] Exactly. If the reporter wants to take part to that communication, good. But that should not expected. More reports is better than more active reporters, those latter ones wont disapper anywhere anyway. The reporter is the one who wants the bug fixed, it's them asking us to do something, they need to do their part. If you aren't willing to do anything to help us fix your bug, you'll just have to live with it forever. So as a package maintainer, you don't want a bug in a software you maintain to be fixed ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM Soft dependencies (Was: Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)
users may not want those features. A soft dependency covers this situation pretty perfectly; by default you get the extra dependencies installed so the features will be available, but if you're someone who needs to optimize disk space or number of installed packages you'll have configured urpmi not to install soft dependencies so you won't get them, and if you didn't do that but you later decide to remove one of the soft deps, you can. I consider this a significant win, the package would be objectively less good without this. How do you know _later_ which installed packages could be removed as they only came via soft dependencies ? « package-cleanup --soft-leaves » or something like that ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: RPM Soft dependencies (Was: Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)
Then you use « package-cleanup --leaves ». This will list the packages that were dragged in as dependencies but on which nothing depend anymore. s/that were dragged in as dependencies but//. I don't think package-cleanup currently has any idea/cares why something was installed. No, my sentence was confusing. « package-cleanup --leaves » will tell you what installed packages are no longer required by any other on your system. Of course, it can't know why you installed them or even if something outside of its scope (e.g. a program you compiled manually) still needs one of those. I shouldn't have spoken about the intent of the user, you're right. :) To be more correct, « --leaves » will list packages on which no others depend AND that match the defined « leaf_regex ». A quick look at the source seems to indicate that returned packages will be mostly libraries, as the default leaf_regex appears to be (^(compat-)?lib.+|.*libs?[\d-]*$). -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
If you're going to maintain a spin for a like-minded community (like ojuba.org is) have you took a look to the proposal ? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/InappropriateContents where does it mention anything about the alike-minded community of fanatic government censorship agents in ojuba.org ? I think what he meant was a community who think alike, i.e. who have the same moral values (which seems to be the case for ojuba.org), not judging the righteousness of those values. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
it's a wiki page, if the packager was unwilling to put such classification then he have no right to stop the reviewer from editing the wiki page and if they both where unwilling to do so, they both have no right from stopping the first offended user from editing the wiki page, that's all. so I can't see when it can cause a package to be rejected. You do realize that it's probably what is going to happen the most often: neither the packager nor the reviewer will care and add the package to the wiki page. Sure, maybe we'll try to be educated and add our packages to the wiki page in the beginning. But after some time, if it's not enforced, we (those who do not care) will just forget it. So I'm afraid that in the end, you (and those who care) will be the ones maintaining such a list. Now if that's what you want, others said it before: just do it, no one will stop you. Create the wiki page with a note about the fact that there might be false positives and that this is not mandatory to enter the Fedora repositories, add the few packages you know might be offensive to some people, and advertise the page here, closing this discussion in the same time :) Those who care will help you, those who don't will continue not caring or maybe try to discipline themselves and add their potentially offensive packages to the list. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 21:52, Muayyad AlSadi wrote: So I'm afraid that in the end, you (and those who care) will be the ones maintaining such a list. NP, how about calling that wiki page InappropriatePackagesAdvisory ? Don't tie words together, separate them with spaces (MediaWiki will transform them in underscores). This will ease the searching. Also, those packages are not inappropriate. They _might be_. Try to keep this nuance in the name of the page, this will avoid some people to be pissed (well, some others will always be :). The rest is just common sense, name it the way you want. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: gnaughty is a hot babe
I've got no problem with it. Unlike hot-babe there's nothing even remotely resembling depiction here. It's essentially a download tool a la aria2/d4x/gwget with a particular focus/niche and in my opinion fairly innocuous. The author is pretty up-front about what it is and what it's for - if that's reflected in the %description then the odds on it being installed accidentally would be fairly low. And it looks like we have a precedent... https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/p0rn-comfort -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: List of packages including country flags
2009/5/25 Björn Persson : Toshio Kuratomi wrote: A two year old (through kindergartener or first grader) is certainly capable of choosing a symbol that they've been taught to use from a table of other symbols. The real question is whether there's a time in a child's development when they can pick out an image that gets them into a program but can't pick out a two letter abbreviation to do the same. It's not really about getting into the program but rather configuring the program. Gcompris uses the locale from the environment by default, like all well-behaved programs do, but you can go to the configuration screen and choose another locale if you want to. Then you need to exit Gcompris and start it again before the change takes effect on the whole program, so I doubt that the intention is that children should choose their locale every time they start Gcompris. I haven't quite figured out why the developers felt a need to have a separate locale setting just for Gcompris, but in those cases where it's needed I think a parent or teacher will configure the program and then tell the children not to touch the settings. Remember this is a learning software. You can have your system configured for french and let your child both play sometimes in french and otherwise learn english with GCompris. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Why would I want Fedora?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 17:01, va...@valikszekely.com wrote: While I sit here viewing everyones' responses to this subject about Fedora's description, I have only few reasons to see the it would not be an alternative to said proprietary operating systems. Thus far since the eariest stages of GUI driven Linux; only gamers, flash developers and like would not see the os as becoming a strong alternative os meaning without emulation. When one says that Fedora is not an alternative to Windows, it doesn't mean that Fedora is inferior, and thus not yet a suitable alternative. What we mean is that Fedora doesn't aim to be an alternative to Windows. Instead, Fedora has clear goals. If anything, Fedora would be aiming to make Windows an alternative to Linux ;) Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] emc2 license
Hi, Need a french speaker ? The COPYRIGHT file, however, is in French: http://www-c.inria.fr/gamma/cdrom/www/emc2/copyright.htm There seems to be some sort of commercial utilization clause, but my French is too limited to comprehend its scope. Here is a rough translation. Beware, I am not a lawyer, I certainly didn't use the most appropriate legal terms, etc... - COPYRIGHT emc2. Software EMC2 (c) INRIA 1998 version 2.06c from october 1998, referenced to as the SOFTWARE below. The SOFTWARE was conceived and developed by :Frédéric Hecht and Eric Saltel, researchers in the Menusin and Modulef projects at the National Institute of Research in Computing and Automating (INRIA) - Domaine de Voluceau - Rocquencourt - 78153 Le Chesnay Cedex. INRIA holds all property rights on the SOFTWARE. Preamble: The SOFTWARE is under development and INRIA wants it to be used by the scientific comunity so that it gets tested, evaluated and so that it can evolve. To that purpose, INRIA decided to distribute the source code of the prototype of the SOFTWARE by FTP. a) Scope of the rights conceded by INRIA to the user of the SOFTWARE INRIA graciously grants the right to reproduce, use, distribute, modify the software as part of non commercial experimentations, as well as the right to experiment, in integration purpose, the software in another program. b) Reproduction of the SOFTWARE * Articles 9 and 10 of the Berne Convention for the protection of literary and artistic works, respectively in their paragraphs 2 and 3, authorizing reproduction and quotation of intellectual works, only in the conditions: * provided that such reproduction does not conflict with a normal exploitation of the work and does not unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests of the author. * Where use is made of works in accordance with the preceding paragraphs of this Article, mention shall be made of the source, and of the name of the author if it appears thereon., any usage or reproduction of the softwares and/or documents that are the exclusive property of INRIA in a non-profit goal or to a commercial purpose is bound to previous agreement from INRIA. Any commercial usage made without previous consent from INRIA would then be a counterfeiting offense. c) Information feedback Any user of the SOFTWARE will give feedback on usage of the SOFTWARE to INRIA (email: Frédéric Hecht). d) Warranties : It is reminded that the SOFTWARE is a research product under development. INRIA could not ensure any responsibility and would not in any case be held liable to repair any direct or indirect damage suffered by the user. Frédéric Hecht Last modified: Thu May 19 1998 - Note that the 2 mentioned articles from the Berne Convention are not my translation, they are the real paragraphs. I picked them here: http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/trtdocs_wo001.html Hope that can be useful. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fwd: [Lf-announce] Announcing the New Linux.com]
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 20:07, Jack Aboutboul j...@redhat.com wrote: I just wanted to pass this on so everyone is informed about it. They are trying to start a social network. What do you guys think about it? Well, just like any social network, I'll pass on this one ^_^ However, there are few issues in my humble opinion: - support appears to me much more efficient on a per distribution / per language forum - the rank system will inevitably lead to some race, people speaking a looot and not necessarily providing valuable help - geeks already tend to be marginalized, as we can appear « weird » to some people. This is a social network for geeks, and I'm not sure this will help us show that Linux is not only for geeks / nerds with a beard that spend their nights coding in their basement. - « a dream laptop signed by Linus Torvalds » Are we some fanboys ? o_O « ZOMG !!!1!11!! I has lapt0p signed by Linus oneleven!! » Anyway, I wish them the best of luck and certainly don't want to blame them for trying something :) Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Slogan, redux
Let it ROAR That's actually nice ! Is « roar » an action verb in english ? If so, it could be nice to use it as the main verb of the sentance, something like « Roar with pleasure » (but with something other than « pleasure », it's a Linux distribution, not an orgasm, even though some might have weird sexual perversions :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Changing « Preferred Family » value
Hi ! I've just been assigned a bug report on a font package I maintain in Fedora [1]. From my understanding, the bug is in the TTF file itself. I'm not very familiar with fonts (I took over this package as it was orphaned and needed by the fedora-olpc effort), so I don't really know how I should proceed to fix it. Is there a way for me to patch the TTF file ? Does this belong upstream, so I should report it to the font developer ? Any hint would be greatly appreciated. Regards, [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490830 -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Openstreetmap moving to Open Database License (ODbL)
Therefore I'd like to know if this license would permit to include Openstreetmap contents (e.g. maps) in the Fedora Project or if it has some problems. Looking at the Factual Information License, I've got some concerns. I asked Red Hat Legal to take a look at it, and this was their reply: [snip] (RH Legal is still looking at the ODBL, they should have comments on that later, which I will pass along). Thank you Andrea for bringing this issue here, and thank you Tom for looking at it. I'm currently developing shomyu (which might eventually get its way into Fedora one day) and it uses OSM data, so I'm really concerned about this licensing change. /me blesses the day he decided to join this list Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: 4 foundations
2009/2/9 Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:01:27PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: I'm writing my FOSDEM trip report, and I wanted to link to a page that specifically explains Fedora's 4 foundations. Does one exist that I don't know about? If not, I think one should be created. Good point; I started it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations I'd appreciate some help putting that page together -- it should include the beautiful graphics Mairin Duffy made on behalf of the Design team. And maybe the excellent articles from David Nalley ? http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=55 http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=73 http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=75 -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fwd: Introduction
Sorry, the message was sent only to Nicolas instead of the whole list. Gmail is killing me -_- -- Forwarded message -- From: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) boche...@fedoraproject.org Date: Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Introduction To: Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net I found the Fonts SIG over the excellent fedora classroom session provided by Nicolas and now want to help you Welcome on board. We have a mix of experienced and new packagers in the group, so don't hesitate to always ask for help there or on irc if you have questions. (if asking publicly is too intimidating you can always form a private cabal with other new packagers, it's sometimes easier to work with people at the same knowledge level). And we even have some intermediate packagers who are totally ignorant of how fonts work, but found themselves having to deal with fonts packaging against their will (ok, maybe I'm a little exagerating :) I don't have any problem with publicly asking for help, but I'd love to join a cabal of new font packagers. By the way, what was this IRC classroom about ? Did it deal with how to package fonts and what-is-this-fontconfig-I'm-hearing-about ? If yes, are the minutes available ? Is there another one planned ? Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Brazil Magazine #4 released
Hi ! Happy new year and do not forget to download the magazine in the link below: http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/RevistaFedoraBrasil004.pdf Thanks for the link, reading it right now :) However, something caught my attention: * Apple patenteia Dock depois de quase 10 anos Após nove anos, a Apple finalmente obteve o registro da patente da chamada Dock, a barra de atalhos e tarefas presente em seu sistema operacional, o Mac OS X. O registro foi pedido em 20 de dezembro de 1999. Segundo o site MacNN, a patente abrange posicionamento de ícones e cursores, além do efeito de ampliação obtido quando o mouse é passado sobre um ícone. (...) Isso pode revelar-se uma má notícia para softwares de terceiros inspirados na invenção, como os programas ObjectDock, RocketDock e Avant Windows Navigator. For those in here who don't understand portuguese, it means that Apple patented the Dock. Moreover, the patent covers « positioning of icons and cursors, as well as the zoom effect when the mouse moves over an icon » Is the legal team aware of this ? What's gonna happen about those dock-like apps in the Fedora repositories, given the Fedora policy on patented software ? Of course, this mailing-list might not be the best place to talk about it. Is there another communication medium for legal stuff ? Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: ZOMG STICKERS!!11 Proof
Does this look good? Definitely. They are awesome. If you see any errors or issues let me know and I'll have them fixed, otherwise I'd like to send to send them my approval ASAP. I have only one remark. There's plenty of space on the left and on the right. Couldn't this space be filleb by other stickers ? Thanks :) Thanks goes to you. :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Developers vs Grandmas revisited
I think OpenOffice.org ought to be by default on the gnome live cd because everyone I know use it. I think Microsoft Office ought to be by default on each and every Fedora liveCD because everyone I know use it... The question is not what people want, but what Fedora wants to achieve. ;) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Developers vs Grandmas
And I will make quite the opposite argument. If you are a grandma, how are you to know that logging bugs will help your situation? I think this is an opportunity for us as ambassadors to make inroads with our families and get them involved in the process. Without average users providing perspective, how do we plan to make an operating system to accommodate their needs as well? Mummy, when you have a problem with your computer, you go to this website, you select the component that is in fault, the version of the OS, the architecture, and then you specify your problem. Now, if my mother ever manages to fill a bug report (what does arch mean ? How do I know which component is faulty ?), it will look like: J'ai cliqué sur 'machin', ça marche pas. Yes, my mother doesn't speak english. But that's no problem as the bug zappers are great and will translate the report for the devs ! Here is what it means in english: I clicked on 'stuff' and it doesn't work. Yeah, grandma input will definitely be useful :-/ The problem here is that we want feedback from the most basic end-users with the least knowledge possible, but we definitely don't have the tools required for that (and I doubt it is even possible to create such tools that would not require massive human interaction with the end-user). Not an easy problem to solve... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Hints Tips suggestions
Hey all, I'm looking for suggestions of hints and tips that we could publish to Fedora Magazine? - how are menus managed (.desktop files) - using pkcon instead of yum - switch backends of Totem (maybe only if totem-xine doesn't depend on some stuff found in livna / RPMFusion) - write your own plymouth graphical theme (I read it only means writing a plugin, is it too complicated ?) - Fedora hardening with SecTool (something basic, the tool is really expressive) - make a screencast with istanbul - use your FAS account in ekiga There might be lot's of other stuff too :) We have a french blog translating Fedora Daily Package and providing some Fedora week-endly hints. Their team is really small so they are having a hard time writing something regularly, but I'm sure they have lot's of ideas for content... Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora upgrades and LTS
This is still not anything for your grandma to attempt (and that is what it should be in the end) easy and clean! (a notification that appears, F10 is now out! upgrade system?) So this is something that an LTS version absolutely must have, new versions of software within a release and a smoth upgrade path. And smoth upgrades on a system that has additional software installed, not only a basic system setup. This type of notification would be a good thing, it's exactly what Ubuntu does. http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/08/22/packagekit-03x-new-features/ -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Solar poster not complete
Hi, I'm currently organizing our release event in Paris, and I wanted to translate the Solar poster for it. I downloaded it from this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_.28X.29_Release_Poster However, it seems like the background image is missing. brejc81 on #fedora-art told me to write here and ask for Sstorari to upload the file Solar_sfondo_poster.png. Could you do that ? Thanks in advance, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora
Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS. There is a Fedora LTS. It's called RHEL or CentOS. The brazilian government, one of the biggest Fedora Case of the world is changing from Fedora/ Red Hat to Ubuntu/Debian. We need to think and create a solution to give support by a long time or the fedora user will decrease! Or maybe Fedora is not a suitable system for production use. Think about it: updating all your servers (and in the case of Wikipedia there must be hundreds) each year ? Do you know what system the Fedora Infrastructure is using ? At least for Fedora People, that's CentOS, not Fedora (and the contrary would be really surprising). -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora
Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu: I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-) I Like this slogan: Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven years. Best Regards, Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website. For me, it's a bad argument and a very bad marketing slogan for Fedora project! Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project. Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market. It's about developping / building / creating / innovating / revolutionning the future of the desktop / server FOSS products. The Fedora distribution is simply a tool to test and build this future. 1. If we wanted to conquer the desktop, we would find a legal way to provide mp3 and other codecs 2. If we wanted to conquer the server, we would have a LTS (which we had in fact, but Fedora Legacy died because no one was needing it / willing to maintain it) Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora
SERPRO (Brazilian Government IT Department) has more than 9.000 desktops running Fedora (in all brazilian states) and now is migrating to Ubuntu, because is impossible to migrate every year to other Fedora Release. With the short time support is impossible to work and use Fedora. If I have to be totally honest, being a hard Fedora advocate, I would never inflict myself the pain of having to maitain 9000 Fedora systems. I mean come on ! 9000 updates each year ! o_O - If you are a Geek, a student or developer, you can use Fedora otherwise, you have to use Centos or Red Hat EL. I would rather say: If you want to help us build the future of computing, doing it in a way that preserve users freedoms, come and join the Fedora Community. What's good about having lot's of Fedora users ? What do they bring ? What we need are contributors, which is rather different. And don't tell me that to have contributors you need users. I know at least one Fedora contributor (who will soon become a Fedora Ambassador) and whose system of choice is... Gentoo. Fedora is not about conquering the market, it's about improving the whole FOSS ecosystem. If we wanted to be simply better than others, we wouldn't redistribute upstream all the great features we have at each release, often 6 months before others. Sorry, but, for me it don't make sense! I can't work in a project in a cooperative way, contributing and cooperating with something that's not to be used in a serious way. Fedora can be used in a serious way, I mean, on this list, most of us (and maybe all of us) are actually using it in a serious way. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS. There is a Fedora LTS. It's called RHEL or CentOS. So, we are working here to recommend Red Hat and CENTOS ?? That's the question, Ubuntu has a LTS, Fedora don't! That's the main problem of the Fedora Project. And Ubuntu wants to take over the desktop / server market. Fedora doesn't. And Ubuntu is trying to make profit. Fedora isn't. And we could go on playing find the differencies for a long time ;) Today, we have many users! With this idea to recommend Centos and Red Hat, we will have a lot of users in the future ? Thinking in this way, we will hear frequently Fedora is a beta tester version to add and improve technologies for Red Hat EL . Fedora is a lab, trying to push forward the latest and greatest free and open source technologies (not RHEL, but all upstream and downstream). How can you move fast if you have to maintain releases for a long time ? For me and for marketing, it isn't a great decision! Now i'm presenting lectures in all Brazilian states and i can't talk about this.. USE CENTOS OR RHEL. I have to recommend Fedora. I'm here to represent and spread fedora, not Centos or Red hat EL. So am I. But selling the wrong tool for a use case will only make bad publicity for this tool, even if it's great in other use cases. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora
Reopen the Legacy project would be great! But, we need to use the same infra and repositories of Fedora Project. That's the problem IMHO. If the Legacy project will be a official project i can work HARD to recruit people to work in LATAM. So, that's is the question. Can we maintain Fedora releases by more 1 year officially, using the official mirrors and repos ? The fedora Board has a position about this ? I think they have: a Fedora release is maintained only one year (but you might want to ask them on their ML ;) The Fedora Legacy was a community initiative, it was not an official one by the Fedora Project, just like Fedora Unity is iirc. Regards, PS: could you stop replying to people CCing the mailing list and reply directly (and only) to the mailing list ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Remix etymology
Hi, I missed this thread yesterday due to being on a plane, but that RHM article is exactly what I was going to point to for the purposes of establishing a date of the remix phrase being used. And yes, I do remember when Jack left me a voice mail that said dude, Fedora 7 needs to be all about the remix. :) I'm not sure I understood very well, but is this thread about knowing who between Ubuntu and Fedora is the first one who used the term remix ? If it's not, maybe I should read it more carefully, but if it is, how could that matter ? o_O Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Getting out the vote for the Fedora 10 election season
As a start is there a general need to raise the awareness of the election and voting process we are using? Can we generate general interest material covering topics like: Why vote? How do you qualify for voting? What's this range voting stuff? From out in the field I hear several reasons people don't vote. One common reason is that they are new to the project and don't feel they know enough about who everyone is and what the various committees do to feel competent to participate. That's exactly the reason why I didn't vote for the first election I was allowed to : the latest Fedora Board election. So one thing that I think would help new contributors get their bearings, and not just with respect to elections, is something like an organization chart that explains the structure of the Fedora project generally. What are all these committees? What purpose do they serve? What problems do the solve? Knowing that much will suggest a reason to care to many people I think. That would not really have helped me (and people in my case). My issue was that I knew absolutely nothing about the candidates. How could I vote for one or another ? The answer came from Yaakov Neemoy after some beers: if I don't know who to vote for, I should just give the same score to everyone. That will have the exact same result, except it will show that I care enough about Fedora to actually take the time to do it. This possibility, as evident as it might seem, was totally unclear to me, and I don't think I'm the only one. It might be worth adding that in the voting page I guess. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Getting out the vote for the Fedora 10 election season
That would not really have helped me (and people in my case). My issue was that I knew absolutely nothing about the candidates. How could I vote for one or another ? If given an opportunity and encouraged to ask questions of all the candidates.. would you take it? Would you write a question? Would you read the answer to other people's questions? Absolutely ! In fact, I read each one's description, but hey, they were all of equal quality to me, and I didn't have the background of each one to make a better opinion. A public ask your candidate what you want to session would be great too. We could have each candidate, one after each other, answer questions from potential voters on IRC. That might even be more effective than some written questions submitted to each candidate as: 1. one question from someone often leads to another one from someone else who might not have thought about asking it if it were not for the previous one 2. when you don't see your question in the ones that were chosen to be asked, you are always tempted to think that it was censored Of course, those meetings should be recorded and logged somewhere so that people who could not attend can read them (summarized maybe ?). Anyway, as I said, I *wanted* to vote, but just didn't know who to vote for. Yaakov only came too late with his idea... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested in participating in such a project? My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, etc.. Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? Definitely. I'd rather see a Fedora Magazine too. It can use the same infrastructure, but make it as independant as possible to the eyes of readers (ie: not a *.redhat.com URL, Fedora look and feel, ...). We should try to separate the two brands. Of course RedHat is liable for Fedora, but if we use the RHM, we'll be seen as a RedHat product (which we don't want right ?). The recent incident already hurt the independance of the Fedora Community. Let's not perpetuate this situation. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Distributor Spin
It will look like fedora in most of cases except when the maker If you are making a spin, then you are the maker. If you want to provide an app for everyone to create its own spin, you're too late, Revisor is already there (and you should contribute to it :) Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: press kit
Hi, I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I miss a press-kit, a lets say press information document, a short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. I'd say that even if there is no need for it, everyone would be glad if you could write one :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: CD/DVD Distributors
They enjoy their presence on the list at the pleasure of the FPL or other Ambassadors/Marketing leadership. If they are misbehaving, just remove them. IMHO, no need for a committee discussion on this item. Agreed, but would be nice to know if it was a scratched cd, or fraud. How it affects Fedora overall? I agree to this idea. Like Max said, there's no need to ask a committee if we can remove them. But when removing, we should notify someone somewhere at least for traceability. A bit like what I could see from the last weeks I spent in #fedora-ops When an op wants to ban someone, he does. And he notifies others ops in #fedora-ops. This way, we all know that person A was banned, why he was, if we should also ban him from other chans, etc... We can then discuss the decision if we want, but there's no need to. Something like that could be good for distributors too. For example, if a distributor comes to complain to me to discuss his removal, I have all infos to explain him the decision of his removal. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Check out my Facebook profile
I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Once again ? o_O I don't know those online apps at all, but is it that hard to tell them not to send an invitation message to all your contacts ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: eeedora 2.0 ?
Here is a question for all you Eee (and compatibles) users: how about the wallpaper size? In F9 we added 800x480 as a resolution for which we provide a desktop wallpaper (this is the screen size for Eee PC 701). However, the new generation (from all vendors), launched/will launch this summer models with larger display, 8.9-10, with a resolution of 1024x600px. We try to keep the package size small, so I think it make sense to include only one wallpaper for ultraportables (we have only a few sized vor various aspect ratios, all the others are scaled down) and it should be 1024x600 (those with 7 displays will show a resized version, it is better in such cases to scale down than to scale up). It is OK to sacrifice (a bit to strong said) the 701 series, which is not the coolest thing any more (and it has a slightly different aspect ratio)? I've always wondered why we don't use SVG wallpapers... Is it too much resources consuming to redraw the wallpaper ? On the other hand, those tiny-ultra-mini-extra-small-portable are not racing horses, and they are more (at least to me) some kind of super electronic note-books (I'm speaking about a real paper note-book, not about a laptop). So maybe they don't need the animated wallpaper and a static version could be provided. Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs / updates would not download the whole big almighty package... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: eeedora 2.0 ?
Maybe the best track would be to split the package. This would take the same space on the media as all wallpapers should be included if we don't want soemone to have a plain blue background, but at least, yum installs / updates would not download the whole big almighty package... Sometime the space on media is a problem (think about the LiveCD) and even the space on your hdd may be a problem (think at first gen Eee PC 701, with 2-4GB of storage). And I think we want the default look and feel everywhere, this is our identity. But a spin (say a spin for ultraportables) can have (if I understood correctly) a different default (maybe a non-animated, small resolution version of the default wallpaper). That's exactly why I was suggesting to split the current package, so that each spin could have its own wallpaper. And on the DVD, I don't think we are currently running out of space... -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Red Hat Replaces RHGB With Plymouth
Will we see plymouth in Fedora 10 or is it too early? Ok, I found it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup Jeremy Katz spoke about it on his live journal: http://katzj.livejournal.com/432195.html He also provided a screencast here: http://katzj.livejournal.com/432586.html Looks really nice :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora
I also don't know how we are going to ever be able to provide embedded video in a way that makes sense on our main site.Flash doesn't support ogg yet, so we can't easily generate a flash video that works for our userbase. And for people outside our userbase, I'm not sure there is a way to embed theora into a page and have it work for people. Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed theora and view it? iTheora: http://menguy.aymeric.free.fr/theora/?p=demo -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Using multimedia as a resource to promote Fedora
Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is there a java applet floating around that lets you embed theora and view it? One option is http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/ iTheora, the applet I mentioned here, is based on cortado. Don't ask me the differences between the 2 options ^^ -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel
Hi, I too think there should a Fedora News Channel site covering success stories with Fedora, Red Hat related news concerning Fedora, educational uses of Fedora, multimedia uses, and FUN things to do with it as well. So do I :) However, Red Hat already has its own magazine, let's keep both separated, don't you think ? If anyone loves the idea too, let's propose : FedoraNews.wordpress.com, Why at wordpress.com ? Couldn't Fedora host it ? which anyone can add a blog posting, a photo, a video in Theora QuickTime from a FUDcon, audio using OGG Vorbis AAC... This looks more like a planet to me, and there is already the planet.fedoraproject.org IMHO, a FedoraNews site should be run by a journalists team (of course open for everyone to contribute) with editorial rules so that the content remains consistent. Have a great Fourth of July! What happens on 4th of July ? o_O -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
