Re: fedora core 12 with dual head and kde

2010-01-08 Thread Paul Campbell

On 01/08/2010 09:53 AM, Andrew Parker wrote:

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Wolfgang Leideck
  wrote:
   

Hello fedora users,

how can I configure KDE to spread the desktop over two monitors. I'm
using a Dell Optiplex 760.

lspci shows 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4
Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
A xorg.conf doesn't exist. With krandr both screens are overlayed and
could not be moved.

 

Can xrandr help you out?  I get the same problem, but xrandr works for me.

   

Can you explain how you use xrandr so that it works for you
(parameters, options ? )

I wonder if this offers any additional information

 Xorg -configure # writes out a copy of xorg.conf.new

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html

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Re: help

2010-01-07 Thread Paul
Hi,

> we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't
> load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same
> error, Anaconda 12.47

Which version of Fedora are you using and what is the video card in the
machines?

TTFN

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IMPORTANT: Mailing list migration this weekend

2010-01-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
To all fedora-list subscribers,

Please excuse what may be a redundant email; it's an important subject
for everyone here so we want to maximize awareness.  The Fedora
Infrastructure team is migrating our mailing lists this weekend, as
seen previously on the official announcement list:

  
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg00011.html
  
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2010-January/msg1.html

If you want the nitty-gritty details from the experts, read both those
emails completely, and use the links they provide to show you exactly
what's happening.  Below is a summary for what will happen this weekend:

1. At times, mailing list traffic will appear to stop.  Messages sent
   to the list will be queued, and when delivery resumes they will hit
   the list again.

2. List-ID headers will change, because the lists are moving from one
   domain to another.

What do you need to do about it?

* These delays will be temporary, and mail will be queued during any
  delay period.  If you send something to the list, it may not appear
  immediately, but it will appear when the delay is over.  Please
  don't send tests or other repeated messages to the list, since that
  will only make the queue longer.

* Those of you who don't filter mail (i.e. if all your email comes to
  one Inbox) may not need to take action.  *BUT* if you have Fedora
  lists on spam filters, or if you filter your email based on headers
  like the List-Id or From address, you'll need to update your filters
  this weekend or risk missing some email.

I have a Gmail account which I use for my Fedora list email.  I am
editing those filters to search for "list:@redhat.com OR
list:@lists.fedoraproject.org" when filtering.  By making
the change now, hopefully the transition will be seamless from my
perspective.  Old to new address mappings can be found in a helpful
PDF[1] prepared by the Infrastructure team.

Thank you for your patience, cooperation, and continued interest in
Fedora, and thanks as well to our Infrastructure team[2] for their
constant improvement of Fedora's 100% free and open source,
enterprise-class services.

* * *
[1] http://jstanley.fedorapeople.org/mlmigration.pdf
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Re: Does anyone else think yumex is broken?

2010-01-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 04:16:11PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > the guts of package management.  However, PackageKit is neither
> > unreliable nor barely communicating in my experience, and I use it
> > most of the time in Fedora.  Yum also has bits that allow it to
> > communicate with PackageKit when run on the command line.  This system
> > works quite well.
> 
> This one doesn't. Several times it has told me graphically about updates
> and then spewed nonsense errors when told to apply them. Running yum
> always works. Not figured out why but there is a real bug somewhere.

I'm sure Richard Hughes would be interested in hearing about it via a
bug filing, and could probably help figure out where to pull out the
appropriate info if it recurs.

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Re: Does anyone else think yumex is broken?

2010-01-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 07:03:07AM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:44:42 +
> n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
> 
> > Recently I've found Yumex to be unreliable, getting stuck when trying to
> > do updates. Yet the updates can be made using yum from the command line.
> > Also it seems to take far too long to update the status of RPMs
> > installed and available. Hopefully this will be fixed shortly and I can
> > again feel confidence in yumex.
> 
> yumex went to the dark side and broke itself up into two highly
> unreliable barely communicating pieces just like packagekit. I gave
> up on it completely when it did that. I'll stick to the yum command line
> now (where I can at least tell what the heck is going on during
> updates).

The yum command line tool is great for anyone who wants to see more of
the guts of package management.  However, PackageKit is neither
unreliable nor barely communicating in my experience, and I use it
most of the time in Fedora.  Yum also has bits that allow it to
communicate with PackageKit when run on the command line.  This system
works quite well.

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Re: F12 all media players have no video but sound only

2010-01-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 09:58:33PM -0800, barry yu wrote:
> MP3 players are working, Flash player plays web radio, but none of
> these medial players can play avi or dvd video, but audio of video
> movies are working;
> MPlayer, Xine, VLC

I can assure you this works properly with totem, which properly uses
gstreamer information in RPM packages, allowing PackageKit to find and
offer to install support.  You do need to enable third-party
repositories to actually get those codecs, though, and that may have
legal repercussions in some parts of the world, which is why we can't
ship them out of the box:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items


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Re: Changing GNOME "default" directories

2010-01-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 04:31:38PM +1030, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> >> There's supposed to be some function (or was in earlier Fedora
> >> releases) that'd periodically update your user directories.  Though I
> >> don't know how, and how often, it actually did its trick.  I've never
> >> seen it do its trick.
> 
> Paul W. Frields:
> > It's xdg-user-dirs-update, and it does work.  Just tested it here on a
> > fresh account.
> 
> What does it actually do?  Create replacements for missing special
> directories?
> 
> (As I said, I haven't managed to see it do anything, yet.)

That's right, it does that on first session according to the
system-wide settings in /etc/xdg/user-dirs.* .  You can change the
settings afterward in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs if you create
alternatives, and run the tool to catch the changes.

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Re: Network Audio

2010-01-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:33:28PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I would love to just use one system for sound and let other systems
> send audio to it. Is network audio a reasonable solution?
> Suggestions if not?
> 
> Assume having multiple systems using the same server is not an
> issue, coordination is possible, overlap is acceptable.

I do this in my home office with PulseAudio's network capabilities.
Works like a champ.

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Re: Best way to get minimal system

2010-01-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:05:18PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:28:55AM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >>On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 09:22 +1100, Chris Smart wrote:
> >>>Hi all, what's the best way to get a minimal Fedora system?
> >>What do you mean by minimal?
> >
> >If you mean just the base system kernel, libraries, and yum and its
> >dependencies, and you don't want to use kickstart to do it, you can
> >get a reasonable facsimile by installing from the netinstall ISO and
> >deselecting every package group.
> >
> >You need to do this with the "Customize selection" option, rather than
> >simply turning off the small number of extra capabilities shown on the
> >general users screen.  If you leave something selected behind the
> >scenes, its dependencies will bring in a lot of non-minimal stuff.
> >
> >The result is about 200 packages (a few hundred MB, depending on how
> >you count exactly) installed, and a text/CLI only system.  You'll need
> >to configure the network with system-config-network (since there's no
> >NetworkManager available) and then you can go to town. :-)
> >
> I think I remember a click box for "minimal system" install, which
> was a good idea for this.
> 
> Suggestion: This would be a great option to have at the start of a
> custom installation, to uncheck everything for the user, who could
> then install the minimal things needed from there. In other words,
> it would be a starting point, not "this is all I want" option.
> 
> On servers it is sometimes useful to have a few X applications to be
> run to a server on remote machines withut a local server and the tom
> of cruft that entails.

This is occasionally suggested and the fact is that the vast majority
of the small proportion of people who need that option in a graphical
installer can already do it with the text mode installer (where
minimal is the default), or use kickstart.  For the vast majority of
users it's not very useful, and potentially confusing.

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Re: Best way to get minimal system

2010-01-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 12:28:55AM +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 09:22 +1100, Chris Smart wrote:
> > Hi all, what's the best way to get a minimal Fedora system?
> 
> What do you mean by minimal?

If you mean just the base system kernel, libraries, and yum and its
dependencies, and you don't want to use kickstart to do it, you can
get a reasonable facsimile by installing from the netinstall ISO and
deselecting every package group.

You need to do this with the "Customize selection" option, rather than
simply turning off the small number of extra capabilities shown on the
general users screen.  If you leave something selected behind the
scenes, its dependencies will bring in a lot of non-minimal stuff.

The result is about 200 packages (a few hundred MB, depending on how
you count exactly) installed, and a text/CLI only system.  You'll need
to configure the network with system-config-network (since there's no
NetworkManager available) and then you can go to town. :-)

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Re: Changing GNOME "default" directories

2010-01-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 06:32:44PM +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 22:19 +0100, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:
> > I'd like to change the destination of the default GNOME directories :
> > the directories like "Videos","Music"," Documents".. ( I'm using GNOME
> > in Italian, so
> > the original name, maybe, are a little different).
> > Usually their definition is in the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs, and
> > the file is there!
> > Here a couple of lines:
> > [snip]
> > XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Scrivania"
> > XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Musica"
> > [snip]
> > 
> > But if I change the values, for example:
> > XDG_MUSIC_DIR="/Dati/Mp3"
> > 
> > The change is not detected, even after a logout.
> 
> There's supposed to be some function (or was in earlier Fedora releases)
> that'd periodically update your user directories.  Though I don't know
> how, and how often, it actually did its trick.  I've never seen it do
> its trick.

It's xdg-user-dirs-update, and it does work.  Just tested it here on a
fresh account.

> I suspect the changes you made will only mean something to programs
> looking for the default "video" folder (and other special folders), your
> user dirs file will tell them which of your directories are the special
> ones.  Creating the directories they refer to would have to be done as
> another process (the real *first* logon, perhaps).

Right.  Any application these days worth its salt should be consulting
the xdg (freedesktop.org) settings to get this information when
available.

I didn't have a lot of time to play with xdg-user-dirs-update, but it
appears that even though you can use the program to set values, you
still need to create special directories before first login if they're
different from the system defaults.

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Ed Greshko wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
  

And I cannot get my notebook to even go over 800x600 for the internal
display without using system-config-display to create a xorg.conf to
get higher resolution with FC12.  How do I convince X to give me more
without the xorg.conf?

BTW, this is on an HP nc2400 that has a 12" display, but I have always
run it at 1024x768.



When you run system-config-display what shows as "Hardware--->Monitor
Type".  I had, what I believe, was a similar problem.  Setting it to
"Generic LCD Display--->LCD Panel (with native resolution of my
notebook)" fix my issue.

  

Ed:

But doesn't the execution of system-config-display generate an 
xorg.conf, which is what I know I am trying to avoid (and I think Robert 
from his additions)? I scanned the web and didn't spot anything implying 
the contrary, but I admit my web searching skills have been lacking on 
the past couple times I've tried to find thing.


Paul

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another question on "Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace"

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Kevin Fenzi wrote:

Don't do that. See:
http://ryanler.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/controlaltbackspace-shortcut-does-not-restart-the-x-server-in-fedora-11/ 



(with screenshots even! :)
There is no need at all to make an xorg.conf, and as you have seen it
can cause problems moving forward.
kevin
  



Kevin or anyone who has a suggestion:

I tried the suggestion in the link you provided and it works ... as 
advertised (???). If I have logged in, enabling that setting does mean 
that crtl+alt+backspace will restart X and put me back at the login screen.


But it doesn't help in the one situation that I usually want to restart 
X. I turn on a machine but the KVM is pointing to another machine. When 
I am ready to use the machine that I have just powered up, the screen 
size settings are wonked and I want to crtl+alt+backspace to restart and 
get the screen size correct. In this case, it doesn't work.


From what I can figure out, there is some part of the boot process that 
polls the monitor and, if it the KVM has it pointing elsewhere, it makes 
"worst-case default assumptions" since it doesn't see the monitor.


I am now assuming that the setting that I have made via the link's 
suggestion works once a login has occurred and all shell stuff has been 
resolved.


Is there a way to enable the key combination to work prior to logging 
in? I am certainly happier that I can at least login, kick it, and get 
settings back ... but that seems "wrong" since I don't think I really 
should be restarting X once logged in.


Thanks in advance,
Paul

ps: I am also looking into all the other suggestions made in this thread 
to see if I prefer any of the others, but figured I'd at least ask about 
this "almost what I want" solution.


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Re: yum update question

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell

s wrote:

On 01/03/2010 11:50 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
While doing a "yum update" after an install from DVD, I noticed that 
I got the following message (this is a "write it down and then retype 
into computer that has mail" so I might have a typo:


[...]
Installing: kernal-PAE-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686
W: Possible missing firmware ql8100_fw.bin for module qla2xxx.lo
W: Possible missing firmware aic94xx-seq_fw.bin for module aic94xx.lo
[...]

The machine is old and I am prepared to understand that it might be 
getting "too old". But I can't figure out how I am decipher this 
message into something which lets me understand what f12 thinks is 
missing in my firmware. I checked my f11 install logs on another 
machine and do not see these warnings.


IMHO, it would be nice if yum told me where to look to understand 
these messages, but MHO might be ignorant of something obvious, so I 
can't complain until I understand this warning.


Thanks in advance,
Paul



See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523365


"s":

Oh yeah, that is definitely it ... thanks for the bug id #

Paul

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Re: yum update question

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Monday 04 January 2010 08:15:13 Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

Marko Vojinovic wrote:


On Monday 04 January 2010 05:50:54 Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

[...]
Installing: kernal-PAE-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686
 W:  Possible missing firmware ql8100_fw.bin for module qla2xxx.lo
 W:  Possible missing firmware aic94xx-seq_fw.bin for module aic94xx.lo
[...]


Did you also get the message like:

Processing delta metadata
/boot/initramfs-2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64.img: contents have been changed
delta does not match installed data
  

Let me check the log tomorrow ... your "delta doesn't match" sounds
familiar and, if such is the case, I will attach myself to the bugzilla
you provided



I am not sure where is this message logged, but definitely not in yum.log, as I  
didn't find it there later on when I looked up again. I also don't know where 
those kernel warnings were logged, if at all... :-)


But anyway, there is no need to attach yourself to that bugzilla, just read it 
to understand what is happening. There is a particular link to the 
codemonkeys.org website with more clearer explanation. In a nutshell, it's 
just deltarpm and kernel rpm confusing each other about how big the 
initramfs.img file should be. And it just so happens that those firmware modules 
happen to reside in that file, so during the kernel installation you get the 
warning that they might get missing. But this never happens, because the 
kernel has those modules already, and just needs to recreate the initramfs, 
which happens automatically.


So nothing to worry about. ;-)

Best, :-)
Marko


  

Marko:

I capture and save a cut-and-paste of screen output of most yum updates 
I do, so I checked and the "delta" message is there. Appreciate the 
additional message ... as I was reading through it I remember having 
seen a prior post on such. Not certain why it didn't click at the time, 
maybe it was because I remember something about "don't need to worry" 
and therefore it didn't stick.


As you suggest, I will blaze ahead and not worry (though I will attach 
myself to the bug #544901 so I am aware when it is resolved)


Thanks again,
Paul

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Re: Changing GNOME "default" directories

2010-01-04 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 10:19:58PM +0100, Alessandro Boggiano wrote:
> >> Yes, I tried! But I can't find anything in it!
> >>
> > Just blame this on my age. I thought I understood what you wanted to do
> > in your original post. Now I am clueless.
> > What do you mean by the position of the Gnome default directories?
> ate/MailingListGuidelines
> 
> Blame on your age, but on my English as well! ;)
> 
> I'd like to change the destination of the default GNOME directories :
> the directories like "Videos","Music"," Documents".. ( I'm using GNOME
> in Italian, so
> the original name, maybe, are a little different).
> Usually their definition is in the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs, and
> the file is there!
> Here a couple of lines:
> [snip]
> XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Scrivania"
> XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Musica"
> [snip]
> 
> But if I change the values, for example:
> XDG_MUSIC_DIR="/Dati/Mp3"
> 
> The change is not detected, even after a logout.
> 
> Maybe I could use sym links, but,IMHO, is not the "clean" answer!

After you change the value in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs, run
'xdg-user-dirs-update' to set the changes in stone.  The directory to
which you point must exist.

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Re: yum update question

2010-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Monday 04 January 2010 05:50:54 Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

While doing a "yum update" after an install from DVD, I noticed that I
got the following message (this is a "write it down and then retype into
computer that has mail" so I might have a typo:

[...]
Installing: kernal-PAE-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686
 W:  Possible missing firmware ql8100_fw.bin for module qla2xxx.lo
 W:  Possible missing firmware aic94xx-seq_fw.bin for module aic94xx.lo
[...]



Did you also get the message like:

Processing delta metadata
/boot/initramfs-2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64.img: contents have been changed
delta does not match installed data

or similar, somewhere in the early stages of the update process (before the 
actual installing of .rpm's)?


If yes, then you have probably hit this bug:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544901

In short, those warnings are harmless and you are pretty safe to ignore them.

HTH, :-)
Marko

  

Marko:

Let me check the log tomorrow ... your "delta doesn't match" sounds 
familiar and, if such is the case, I will attach myself to the bugzilla 
you provided


Thanks,
Paul

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Re: control-C and yum update

2010-01-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Chris Smart wrote:

2010/1/4 Paul Allen Newell :
  

I though "control-C" was an immediate kill of whatever was running and was
wondering why yum didn't stop when I tried to kill it.




It's an interrupt, which could be blocked or it might be on a
different queue. You should be able to background yum and kill it
straight away:

Ctrl+z
kill %1

-c

  

Chris:

Got it ... this makes sense as there are jobs I run that I have to ps 
and then kill. If yum blocks until first "y/N", it makes sense.


Thanks,
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yum update question

2010-01-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell
While doing a "yum update" after an install from DVD, I noticed that I 
got the following message (this is a "write it down and then retype into 
computer that has mail" so I might have a typo:


[...]
   Installing: kernal-PAE-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686
W:  Possible missing firmware ql8100_fw.bin for module qla2xxx.lo
W:  Possible missing firmware aic94xx-seq_fw.bin for module aic94xx.lo
[...]

The machine is old and I am prepared to understand that it might be 
getting "too old". But I can't figure out how I am decipher this message 
into something which lets me understand what f12 thinks is missing in my 
firmware. I checked my f11 install logs on another machine and do not 
see these warnings.


IMHO, it would be nice if yum told me where to look to understand these 
messages, but MHO might be ignorant of something obvious, so I can't 
complain until I understand this warning.


Thanks in advance,
Paul

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control-C and yum update

2010-01-03 Thread Paul Allen Newell

A quick question which is hopefully just "an education request" ...

While reinstalling f12 on a machine that I "messed up", I was following 
all my notes and directions and reached the point where the install was 
successful and it was time to update. I did a "su -l" and then typed 
"yum update". I realized I had forgotten something and immediately did a 
"control-C" in the terminal that I had executed the "yum update". To my 
surprise, it ignored it until it got to the first confirm and then 
proceeded to kill the process. No problem as the update was stopped but ...


I though "control-C" was an immediate kill of whatever was running and 
was wondering why yum didn't stop when I tried to kill it.


Am I missing something about either "control-C" or "yum update" .. or both?

Thanks in advance for any explanation as I am wondering if I really 
understand "control-C"

Paul

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Re: Tomcat6 docs

2009-12-31 Thread Paul Campbell

Just filed bug against 6.0.20 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551643


Isidore Nabi wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Alessandro Boggiano wrote:
>> 
>> I've installed the package tomcat6-docs-webapp-6.0.18-9.2.fc11.noarch, 
>> but it contains all zero size html files.
>> Of course, I can't see anything, as well, if I use the URL:
>> 
> 
> I noticed the same thing, and the reason I'm responding now is that yum
> recently updated tomcat6 to 6.0.20, and I just noticed that all the all
> the
> HTML files in webapps/docs are empty again.
> 
> In both cases I just downloaded apache-tomcat-6.0.xx-fulldocs.tar.gz and
> installed it in the webapps directory after deleting the existing docs
> directory.
> 
> This really is a strange phenomenon in that only the HTML files are
> affected. All the image files, XML files and plain text files (*.txt or
> extensionless files like LICENSE) are intact, yet every HTML file in this
> directory and all its subdirectories has zero length. This appears to be
> happening when the rpm package is created, as the modification dates of
> the
> empty HTML files are the same as those of the intact files, later than
> those
> of the same files from the fulldocs tarball, and earlier than the date on
> which the update was installed.
> 
> I'd be interested in hearing if you've learned any more about this in the
> interim. So far you appear to be the only other person who has noticed.
> Maybe more people will come out of the woodwork like me now that there
> appears to be a recurring issue.
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installing to external disk: esata now!

2009-12-31 Thread Paul Johnson
I've got several bootable usb installs of Centos, Fedora and Ubuntu.
All work great now, I think i understand all the details about drive
labeling, getting the initrd correct, and so forth. I was active in
this list back in the Fedora 4 and 5 days, when these things were
getting ironed out. Examples of the old posts (The COMPLETE guide to
installing Linux Fedora Core 5 on your external HD,
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-119764.html,

On one of the external drives, I have esata port as well, and finally
a new PC arrived that has an esata port built in. I've not tried this
with Fedora 11 yet, but I have one running Centos-5.4, the external
drive can boot from the USB connection, and while running, the esata
drive is recognized and can be mounted easily.  However, when I
disconnect the USB and boot from the esata connection, the boot fails
in a kernel panic because the /root drive cannot be found.  I believe
this is the exact same problem that afflicted efforts to boot from USB
in the past, before we learned about adding the usb-storage modules
into the mkinitrd command.  Remember those days?

Anyway, I wonder if anybody knows what modules are needed in the
initrd in order to boot from an esata drive. Currently, for the USB
boot, the modules needed are specified in /etc/modprobe.conf, they
are:

alias scsi_hostadapter ata_piix
alias scsi_hostadapter1 usb-storage

If one of you knows the similar recipe for esata, I would very much
appreciate it.

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Re: Installation plays hardball

2009-12-31 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "John" == John Aldrich  writes:

John> As I said, you need to choose to use a custom partition
John> scheme, otherwise, Fedora will wipe every linux partition as
John> happened to you. Granted, it's not obvious, but if you've
John> been playing with linux for more than a couple
John> distributions, I'd think you'd already have some notion of
John> this by now.

I've been using Fedora since its inception, and it wasn't obvious to
me at all. I didn't actually trip up over it, as I was treading very
carefully, but I must say I have plenty of sympathy for the OP.
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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-29 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Suvayu and Ed:

Thanks for these replies. Points taken as they help me see the 
weaknesses in my understanding. So, yeah, I got hacking / homework ahead 
... and seeing if I can figure out enough to feel comfortable learning / 
switch to bash from tcsh.


Paul

Suvayu Ali wrote:

Hi Paul,

On Monday 28 December 2009 09:21 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Ed Greshko wrote:


The man page tells you under what conditions the various files
(/etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login etc) are read depending on
what type of shell (interactive, login).
Are you saying there is a situation not covered?

Remember, everything that is executed is executed under a shell.


I think part of my confusion is that I am not understanding whether a
login shell covers everything that is done once I have logged in via
splash screen or if it is confined to "logining into a shell". If the
former, then I would assume bash_profiles is hit once and everything
done thereafter would be under its command. If the latter, then I am
probably unclear about whether launching a terminal is a "login" act
(hence under bash_profile only within that shell).



I think a small experiment is in order. Open up any terminal emulator 
of your choice, go fullscreen (well just stretching it to be really 
big should be enough for the experiment ;) )


Now run the following,

$ ps uf -u `whoami`

The output might be a little truncated on the right depending on the 
size of your monitor, but that is not too important. As you can see, 
the command to start your desktop is initiated by a shell. So if you 
setup your environment variables appropriately, then all those should 
be available to the shell starting your desktop. This allows you to 
have a consistent environment for your applications no matter how you 
launch them, from a terminal or from the gui of your desktop.


The lesson to learn here are the differences between shells/apps 
inheriting the environment of its parent shell/process depending on 
how you set the environment.


If you are interested, you can try another small experiment to see for 
yourself what I mean. Try putting this in your ~/.bash_profile,


export PATH=$PATH:${HOME}/bin

And then put a symbolic link to some small application of your choice 
in your ${HOME}/bin.


For example I did this, (I chose thunar as I use XFCE)

$ ln -s -T `which thunar` ${HOME}/bin/fakethunar

Now logout and log back in. Try running `fakethunar' with the Alt-F2 
dialogue. It will open up thunar. Now comment out those lines, logout, 
login again and repeat that. You will get an error message. You can do 
many different variations of this to explore some more subtleties. But 
I think this paints a clearer picture now. :)




Paul



Have fun hacking.

PS: This kind of info is usually in the FILES or INVOCATION section of 
the man pages.


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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Ed Greshko wrote:

Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

Ed Greshko wrote:


Paul Allen Newell wrote:
 
  

Suvayu Ali wrote:
   


Hi Aaron,

On Monday 28 December 2009 02:11 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
 
  

On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 03:04 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote:
   


~/.bash_profile gets sourced by any "well behaved" desktop
environment
when ever you login. In my experience XFCE and WindowMaker does
this. (I
don't use Gnome/KDE as often, so can't comment on them).

~/.bashrc gets sourced when ever you open an interactive shell,
maybe by
opening a terminal emulator or login in remotely.

This means whenever you login remotely both ~/.bash_profile&
~/.bashrc
gets sourced. However if you open a terminal emulator like
gnome-terminal or xterm only your ~/.bashrc gets sourced.
  
  

It is my impression that.bashrc is souurced whenever any program
is run
in a bash environment. I am willing to be corrected.




By bash environment if you mean a terminal emulator then that is
exactly what I meant in my previous post. However if for example you
run something using a menu or shortcut on your desktop or maybe
Alt-F2 then ~/.bashrc is _not_ sourced, and environment variables
defined there won't be available to you. If you want something like
that, you need to define it in your ~/.bash_profile.

Hope this makes my point clearer. :)
  
  

Naive question  it sounds like if a user has selected bash as
shell-of-choice, then bash_profile is there for any operation
(terminal or not) that would involve the use of the shell? I might not
be saying this right, but I am trying to understand just how global
bash_profile is and, if not, why it isn't as it seems by your email
that for all intents and purposes it is global to a user's login
process.

Thanks for bearing with the question given that you already know I am
running tcsh and therefore this is a learning exercise as opposed to a
real occurrence in my usage of fedora.

Paul




Why not just read "man bash"?

  
  

Because bring up the "man bash" pages and searching for "profile"
gives me info about what happens with a shell or a non-interactive
--login shell and doesn't give me any meta information that either
answers my question or makes it clear that I am asking the wrong
question.

http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html

One of the reasons to watch/read this forum is to get answers to
questions that man pages don't supply. In my experience, if you want
to know exactly how to do something with a given command/whatever,
they are great. If you want to get an understanding of the overall
picture of the command/whatever, they aren't very good as they assume
you have already commit to "this is what I am using so how do I do
this particular operation".

To ask what is the scope of ".bash_profile" outside of sourcing order
in particular occurrences, I don't see it in the man pages.

I am more than happy to be told that I am totally incorrect in my
interpretation of this.

Thanks (and that includes making me double-check the man pages to
prove to myself that I am not seeing the answer I am looking for!),
Paul



I suppose I don't understand your question or what makes you think the
man page doesn't answer it.

The man page tells you under what conditions the various files
(/etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login etc) are read depending on
what type of shell (interactive, login). 


Are you saying there is a situation not covered?

Remember, everything that is executed is executed under a shell.

  

Ed,

Thanks for bearing with me on this.

I think part of my confusion is that I am not understanding whether a 
login shell covers everything that is done once I have logged in via 
splash screen or if it is confined to "logining into a shell". If the 
former, then I would assume bash_profiles is hit once and everything 
done thereafter would be under its command. If the latter, then I am 
probably unclear about whether launching a terminal is a "login" act 
(hence under bash_profile only within that shell).


As I said on my initial reply to this thread, "Naive question". I may be 
missing a fundamental understanding of shells and logins and all that 
sort of stuff.


Paul

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Ed Greshko wrote:

Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

Suvayu Ali wrote:


Hi Aaron,

On Monday 28 December 2009 02:11 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
  

On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 03:04 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote:


~/.bash_profile gets sourced by any "well behaved" desktop environment
when ever you login. In my experience XFCE and WindowMaker does
this. (I
don't use Gnome/KDE as often, so can't comment on them).

~/.bashrc gets sourced when ever you open an interactive shell,
maybe by
opening a terminal emulator or login in remotely.

This means whenever you login remotely both ~/.bash_profile& 
~/.bashrc

gets sourced. However if you open a terminal emulator like
gnome-terminal or xterm only your ~/.bashrc gets sourced.
  

It is my impression that.bashrc is souurced whenever any program is run
in a bash environment. I am willing to be corrected.



By bash environment if you mean a terminal emulator then that is
exactly what I meant in my previous post. However if for example you
run something using a menu or shortcut on your desktop or maybe
Alt-F2 then ~/.bashrc is _not_ sourced, and environment variables
defined there won't be available to you. If you want something like
that, you need to define it in your ~/.bash_profile.

Hope this makes my point clearer. :)
  

Naive question  it sounds like if a user has selected bash as
shell-of-choice, then bash_profile is there for any operation
(terminal or not) that would involve the use of the shell? I might not
be saying this right, but I am trying to understand just how global
bash_profile is and, if not, why it isn't as it seems by your email
that for all intents and purposes it is global to a user's login process.

Thanks for bearing with the question given that you already know I am
running tcsh and therefore this is a learning exercise as opposed to a
real occurrence in my usage of fedora.

Paul



Why not just read "man bash"?

  
Because bring up the "man bash" pages and searching for "profile" gives 
me info about what happens with a shell or a non-interactive --login 
shell and doesn't give me any meta information that either answers my 
question or makes it clear that I am asking the wrong question.


http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html

One of the reasons to watch/read this forum is to get answers to 
questions that man pages don't supply. In my experience, if you want to 
know exactly how to do something with a given command/whatever, they are 
great. If you want to get an understanding of the overall picture of the 
command/whatever, they aren't very good as they assume you have already 
commit to "this is what I am using so how do I do this particular 
operation".


To ask what is the scope of ".bash_profile" outside of sourcing order in 
particular occurrences, I don't see it in the man pages.


I am more than happy to be told that I am totally incorrect in my 
interpretation of this.


Thanks (and that includes making me double-check the man pages to prove 
to myself that I am not seeing the answer I am looking for!),

Paul

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Suvayu Ali wrote:

Hi Aaron,

On Monday 28 December 2009 02:11 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 03:04 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote:

~/.bash_profile gets sourced by any "well behaved" desktop environment
when ever you login. In my experience XFCE and WindowMaker does 
this. (I

don't use Gnome/KDE as often, so can't comment on them).

~/.bashrc gets sourced when ever you open an interactive shell, 
maybe by

opening a terminal emulator or login in remotely.

This means whenever you login remotely both ~/.bash_profile&  ~/.bashrc
gets sourced. However if you open a terminal emulator like
gnome-terminal or xterm only your ~/.bashrc gets sourced.


It is my impression that.bashrc is souurced whenever any program is run
in a bash environment. I am willing to be corrected.



By bash environment if you mean a terminal emulator then that is 
exactly what I meant in my previous post. However if for example you 
run something using a menu or shortcut on your desktop or maybe Alt-F2 
then ~/.bashrc is _not_ sourced, and environment variables defined 
there won't be available to you. If you want something like that, you 
need to define it in your ~/.bash_profile.


Hope this makes my point clearer. :)
Naive question  it sounds like if a user has selected bash as 
shell-of-choice, then bash_profile is there for any operation (terminal 
or not) that would involve the use of the shell? I might not be saying 
this right, but I am trying to understand just how global bash_profile 
is and, if not, why it isn't as it seems by your email that for all 
intents and purposes it is global to a user's login process.


Thanks for bearing with the question given that you already know I am 
running tcsh and therefore this is a learning exercise as opposed to a 
real occurrence in my usage of fedora.


Paul

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell

TNWestTex wrote:


Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

François Patte wrote:


Paul Allen Newell  a écrit :

  

To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I 
could edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install 
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default 
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché, "groovy"


Reboot system and it immediately hangs after that cute little Fedora 
icon finishes to say that it booted. Just hangs and hangs. To use the 
cliché again, "not groovy".


I figure I have no choice but to reinstall

Why don't edit grub "boot line" to switch to level 3 and see what 
happens using startx? Then examine the log files Xorg.0.log*


  


This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
  

François:

Thanks for the reply. Given the "here it is" replies from Eric and 
Kevin, I'm going to take the easy route and use that rather than get 
myself into more trouble with Xorg.


Paul




If you use the advice from François you can make the other changes by using
su - to get to root without having to reinstall.  In textmode you have
control over your system that the graphical boot takes away from you. 
Besides on all the systems I've tried so far it is much faster to login and

type startx than is tis to wait for all the graphics.

Robert McBroom

  

Robert:

Though I certainly agree with the benefits you describe, I have to admit 
that I don't feel secure enough in my skills to venture into such. Just 
trying to run vanilla quite often gets me into trouble. That being said, 
fedora / red hat / linux is one heck of alot easier than Windows as far 
as I am concerned.


Once I have a stable f12 install, I'll read man page / web to learn more 
about startx as your advice indicates it is probably something I could 
find useful.


Thanks for the email,
Paul

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Suvayu and Tim:

A very good explanation of the differences and what to expect from each.

Suvayu is correct in understanding my emails that I am running tcsh as 
that is the shell I am most familiar with thanks to work environments. 
Given the info that I have gotten here, I will take a stab at finding 
out from our sysAdmins whether there is anything similar in tcsh. You 
can probably tell that, being a tcsh user, the concept of a "_profile" 
is a new one to me ... more learning on my part is in order now that 
you've pointed me in right direction.


Thanks,
Paul

Suvayu Ali wrote:

Hi Paul,

On Sunday 27 December 2009 10:52 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Suvayu Ali wrote:


If the OP is interested, the command line way to do this would be to
have one of your login scripts like ~/.bash_profile say,

setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

;)

Suvayu:

Thanks, this is interesting. So it is in .bash_profile and not .bashrc?
Is there a similar way to do in either cshrc or, preferably, tcshrc?



~/.bash_profile gets sourced by any "well behaved" desktop environment 
when ever you login. In my experience XFCE and WindowMaker does this. 
(I don't use Gnome/KDE as often, so can't comment on them).


~/.bashrc gets sourced when ever you open an interactive shell, maybe 
by opening a terminal emulator or login in remotely.


This means whenever you login remotely both ~/.bash_profile & 
~/.bashrc gets sourced. However if you open a terminal emulator like 
gnome-terminal or xterm only your ~/.bashrc gets sourced.


So ideally, (As Tim said in a later post) your environment variables 
should be defined in your ~/.bash_profile where as your aliases and 
functions should be defined in ~/.bashrc.


What I say is true assuming your login shell is bash. Since you asked 
about csh or tcsh, as far as I understood from a quick look at the 
respective manpages (section: startup and shutdown) they behave 
differently. There is no file corresponding to ~/.bash_profile for 
either of them. (maybe this is how C-shells behave?) However ~/.tcshrc 
or ~/.cshrc does get sourced (in that order). So you can define this 
in one of those files and see whether this works.



Paul



GL


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Re: how to increase the number of cirtual desktops?

2009-12-28 Thread paul van der meij
I assume you are working under gnome. Just right click with the cursor in on
of the workspace icons, on the panel bar on the right. select preferences
and you can change the number of virtual workspaces and other things.

greetings
paul

2009/12/28 Bill Davidsen 

> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
>>  i'm embarrassed to ask this, but how does one increase the number of
>> virtual desktops in f12?  used to be there were 4, but with f12, after
>> a fresh install, there's only 2 and i've poked around under
>> System->Prefs and don't see a setting for that.
>>
>>  Related to that, I also keep a fair number of desktops, and I find that
> they take more of my taskbar than I wish to give them. My solution was to
> put a tray (aka drawer) on the taskbar, and put the desktop switcher in
> that. I usually leave it open, but I can gain the space it takes just by
> closing the drawer.
>
> Then I have room for the monitor app on the taskbar, so I can quickly see
> if the system is running badly.  ;-)
>
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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Suvayu Ali wrote:

On Sunday 27 December 2009 11:06 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:42:19 -0800
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I
could edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


How did you discover this? Trying it in a gnome desktop? :)


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché,
"groovy"


Don't do that. See:

http://ryanler.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/controlaltbackspace-shortcut-does-not-restart-the-x-server-in-fedora-11/ 



(with screenshots even! :)

There is no need at all to make an xorg.conf, and as you have seen it
can cause problems moving forward.

kevin



If the OP is interested, the command line way to do this would be to 
have one of your login scripts like ~/.bash_profile say,


setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

;)

Suvayu:

Thanks, this is interesting. So it is in .bash_profile and not .bashrc? 
Is there a similar way to do in either cshrc or, preferably, tcshrc?


Paul

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:42:19 -0800
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

  

To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I
could edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.



How did you discover this? Trying it in a gnome desktop? :) 
  


Of course (smile)
  
Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install 
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default 
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché,

"groovy"



Don't do that. See: 


http://ryanler.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/controlaltbackspace-shortcut-does-not-restart-the-x-server-in-fedora-11/

(with screenshots even! :) 


There is no need at all to make an xorg.conf, and as you have seen it
can cause problems moving forward. 


kevin
  

Kevin:

Many thanks for the link (gotta love when screen-shots are included!). 
When I went hunting on the web, I got stuck on the system-config-display 
thread which gives me an Xorg to put in DontZap info. I think I ended up 
on an F11 thread instead of an F12 as a look afterword shows me that my 
searches were Fedoraguide.info ... bad on my part for remembering prior 
forum discusssions about DontZap and jumping to wrong conclusion.


I wish my Goggling had hit this article first and/or instead ... another 
lesson learned by hitting thumb with hammer instead of hitting nail.


I am quite happy to not mess with Xorg, I remember it making my life 
miserable on fc5 and I wasn't exactly looking forward to having to mess 
with it again.


Once again, my thanks ... now I just have to reinstall to try it out,
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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 00:42 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
  

To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I could 
edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install 
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default 
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché, "groovy"


Reboot system and it immediately hangs after that cute little Fedora 
icon finishes to say that it booted. Just hangs and hangs. To use the 
cliché again, "not groovy".


I figure I have no choice but to reinstall (what's a few hours between 
friends (grumble)) ... but would like to know the proper (which may be 
not documented) way to restore "crtl-alt-backspace" to kick the X.


I have three computer on a KVM and I often need to kick one of them if 
it boots up and the KVM isn't directed at it cause its on one of the 
others.. I've never understood why X has to actually connect to the 
monitor to be correct, but X is pretty near a black box as far as I am 
concerned (sigh).



put into /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Section "ServerFlags"
Option  "DontZap" "false"  
EndSection 


then you can kill X with  as before (after you
restart X of course.

Craig


  

Craig:

The plan originally was to use the DontZap once I proved that using 
system-config-display to create Xorg would work. Never made it far 
enough and, given the posting from Eric and especially Kevin, I think I 
am better off with a reinstall and using the Keyboard Layout.


Thanks for the reply,
Paul

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Allen Newell

François Patte wrote:

Paul Allen Newell  a écrit :


To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I 
could edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install 
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default 
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché, "groovy"


Reboot system and it immediately hangs after that cute little Fedora 
icon finishes to say that it booted. Just hangs and hangs. To use the 
cliché again, "not groovy".


I figure I have no choice but to reinstall


Why don't edit grub "boot line" to switch to level 3 and see what 
happens using startx? Then examine the log files Xorg.0.log*




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François:

Thanks for the reply. Given the "here it is" replies from Eric and 
Kevin, I'm going to take the easy route and use that rather than get 
myself into more trouble with Xorg.


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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Allen Newell

Eric Tanguy wrote:

Le 27/12/2009 09:42, Paul Allen Newell a écrit :

To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I 
could edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install 
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default 
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché, "groovy"


Reboot system and it immediately hangs after that cute little Fedora 
icon finishes to say that it booted. Just hangs and hangs. To use the 
cliché again, "not groovy".


I figure I have no choice but to reinstall (what's a few hours 
between friends (grumble)) ... but would like to know the proper 
(which may be not documented) way to restore "crtl-alt-backspace" to 
kick the X.


I have three computer on a KVM and I often need to kick one of them 
if it boots up and the KVM isn't directed at it cause its on one of 
the others.. I've never understood why X has to actually connect to 
the monitor to be correct, but X is pretty near a black box as far as 
I am concerned (sigh).


Thanks in advance,
Paul

Thanks,
Paul

In gnome, go to system, preferences, keyboard, after that i don't know 
the exact translation in english.
So go to the 2nd tab,  at the bottom right you find something like 
"options ..." and you find key sequence to kill the  server ...


Eric


Eric:

Thank you for reply, later email from Kevin Fenzi had like to website to 
show this as well. Once I've reinstalled f12, will give it a try.


Paul

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Re: how to increase the number of cirtual desktops?

2009-12-27 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Robert" == Robert P J Day  writes:

Robert>   i'm embarrassed to ask this, but how does one increase
Robert> the number of virtual desktops in f12?  used to be there
Robert> were 4, but with f12, after a fresh install, there's only
Robert> 2 and i've poked around under
System-> Prefs and don't see a setting for that.

Just right-click on the pager. That will get you to the preferences.
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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

2009-12-27 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Linuxguy123" == Linuxguy123   writes:
Linuxguy123> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the
Linuxguy123> proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau
Linuxguy123> driver.

Linuxguy123> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate
Linuxguy123> on the free versions versus proprietary or anything
Linuxguy123> else.

Colin> Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D
Colin> acceleration).

Linuxguy123> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or
Linuxguy123> some other non kms equipped driver, how are you
Linuxguy123> finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience freezing when you
Linuxguy123> access some panel items ?

Colin> No such problems for me.  -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire

One problem I do have (and I'm guessing it's related to the proprietary
driver), is that if I try to switch to a non-X console (using
Ctrl-Alt-Fn), then all I see is a mass of linear colours.
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Re: Anybody want to crash their X server? :-).

2009-12-27 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Hiisi" == Hiisi   writes:

Hiisi> arc-drawing bug also will be cured soon.  By the way, about
Hiisi> your theory of its relation with video card. Mine is:
Hiisi> 1. lspci | grep ATI 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI
Hiisi> Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] 01:00.1 Display
Hiisi> controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
Hiisi> (Secondary)

Whereas mine (with no such problems) is a NVIDIA Qudaro FX1700 using the 
propietary dirvers
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problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Allen Newell

To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I could 
edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install 
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default 
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché, "groovy"


Reboot system and it immediately hangs after that cute little Fedora 
icon finishes to say that it booted. Just hangs and hangs. To use the 
cliché again, "not groovy".


I figure I have no choice but to reinstall (what's a few hours between 
friends (grumble)) ... but would like to know the proper (which may be 
not documented) way to restore "crtl-alt-backspace" to kick the X.


I have three computer on a KVM and I often need to kick one of them if 
it boots up and the KVM isn't directed at it cause its on one of the 
others.. I've never understood why X has to actually connect to the 
monitor to be correct, but X is pretty near a black box as far as I am 
concerned (sigh).


Thanks in advance,
Paul

Thanks,
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Re: Anybody want to crash their X server? :-).

2009-12-25 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Tom" == Tom Horsley  writes:

Tom> Exploring various obscure corners of gimp, I came up with a
Tom> sure-fire way to crash my X server, and I'm just wondering if
Tom> anyone else wants to try it.

Tom> See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550415#c3
Tom> for my prescription. (Draw an arc with Gfig filter tool).

No crash for me.

F12 64-bit - bang up to date.
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Re: No F-12 Flash -

2009-12-24 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Andre" == Andre Costa  writes:

Andre> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:37, Amadeus W.M.  
wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:51:10 +, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "Amadeus" == Amadeus W M  writes:
>> >
>> > Amadeus> I got
>> libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz > Amadeus>
>> from some download site that google will find it easily, >
>> Amadeus> for 64 bit fedora. Unzip it and put it as you
>> mentioned > Amadeus> in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins.
>> >
>> > So I tried this too.
>> >
>> > To my delight flash started to work. then Firefox crashed. I
>> restarted > it - it immediately crashed (even when not
>> attempting to display any > pages using flash).
>> >
>> > So I removed the plugin. Firefox works again. But no flash.
>> >
>> > Tried again. This is reproducible. :-( --

I re-installed fedora 12 from scratch (my previous installation was on
top of an un-formatted /user partition).

This time I followed the adobe instructions and put it in
~/mozilla/plugins. 

Everything works fine :-)
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Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

2009-12-23 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Linuxguy123" == Linuxguy123   writes:

Linuxguy123> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the
Linuxguy123> proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau
Linuxguy123> driver.

Linuxguy123> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate
Linuxguy123> on the free versions versus proprietary or anything
Linuxguy123> else.

Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D acceleration).

Linuxguy123> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or
Linuxguy123> some other non kms equipped driver, how are you
Linuxguy123> finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience freezing when you
Linuxguy123> access some panel items ?

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Re: No F-12 Flash -

2009-12-22 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Amadeus" == Amadeus W M  writes:

Amadeus> I got libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
Amadeus> from some download site that google will find it easily,
Amadeus> for 64 bit fedora. Unzip it and put it as you mentioned
Amadeus> in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins.

So I tried this too.

To my delight flash started to work. then Firefox crashed.
I restarted it - it immediately crashed (even when not attempting to
display any pages using flash).

So I removed the plugin. Firefox works again. But no flash.

Tried again. This is reproducible. :-(
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Re: thunderbird question with gmail

2009-12-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Paolo Galtieri  wrote:
> Last Friday I was trying to download all my gmail email from google down to
> my PC.  I succeeded in getting everything from June of 2008 to July of
> 2009.  I had to stop at that point since I had to leave for the airport.
> When I tried today it told me there was nothing to do which of course is
> wrong since there is email from July 2009 to Dec 2009 to pull.  When I set
> the "pop for all mail" option in gmail  I was able to resume downloading
> email except that it started from June 2008, so now I have several hundred
> duplicate email messages.  How do I download the July 2009 - Dec 2009 emails
> without having to delete the June 2008 to July 2009 emails from gmail?  The
> only other option in gmail is the "pop for mail that arrives from now on"
> which starts from the current time.  Obviously I can delete all the already
> downloaded email and start over, but I was hoping for a better way.

Instead of using the POP3 protocol, why not using IMAP?

Paul

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How to get fonts matching pattern?

2009-12-19 Thread Colin Paul Adams
I have a program (xshogi) which puts out a message:

No fonts match pattern -*-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

xlsfonts confirms no match.

How can I install fonts matching this pattern?
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Can't run Firefox after installing fedora 12

2009-12-19 Thread Colin Paul Adams
I get an error dialog:

SQLite Version Error

The application has been updated, but your version of SQLite is too
old and the application cannot run.

this happened immediately after installing F12 from the x86_64 DVD.
that was with sqlite version 3.6.17 and firefox 3.4.???

After doing a yum update I now have:

sqlite-3.2.20-1.fc12.x86_64
firefox-3.5.6-1.fc12.x86_64

the problem persists.

I see from bugzilla that this reared it's head during rawhide, but the
bug has been closed (worksforme).
Are other people getting this?
I also have a 32-bit F12 on another machine, and a 64-bit F12 on a
Macbook Air. neither of these machines has the problem (but i've
avoided doing any yum updates today just in case).

I've had to install the Google-chrome beta as a result.
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Re: To Timothy Murphy

2009-12-19 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Fennix  wrote:
>> >> All your messages at gmail end up in my spam folder with the following
>> >> mention:
>> >>
>> >> Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of
>> >> following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal
>> >> information.  Learn more
>> >
>> > A different Tim, here, but that might be due to him posting through the
>> > gmane usenet to email gateway (it gives me problems, too; different
>> > problems, though).  You could have a look through the headers of one of
>> > his mails, and see if there's something in there you can use to tell
>> > your mail filter that those messages aren't spam.
>>
>> I don't think you can tweak gmail's spam filter. Not directly, anyway.
>> I always check Timothy Murphy's mails that gmail labels as spam as
>> "not spam", hoping to teach it that they're not. I fully expect to see
>> a change in gmail's behaviour in a few thousand years (provided, of
>> course, that TM at least keeps up his the present day rate of
>> postings).
>
> Hmmm, I also use gmail and all of Timothy Murphy's emails reach me.  I do
> have a filter that moves all incoming fedora list mail to a fedora folder.
>  I have never found any fedora list mail in my spam folder.
> fennix

In my case, all Timothy Murphy's posts go to the GMail spam folder.

Paul

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Re: Fedora mailing list migration

2009-12-18 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 06:44:52PM -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > When is this migration going too occur? And where is it described? I
> > did not see it on the announce list.
> 
> Check the announce list archives, it's there.
> 
> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/thread.html

Also, I asked one of the folks on the migration team to write up a
short wiki page that describes what users should expect to see and do
as a result of the migration.  You can expect that shortly, I believe.

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Re: [Patch] Fix PXE booting for livecd-iso-to-pxeboot created images

2009-12-17 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:39:43AM -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
[...patch snipped...]
> This has to be posted in Bugzilla Request for Improvement (RFI think) if
> you want developers to know about the problem and accept your changes.
> I know I top posted again but it seemed appropriate.

Helpful URL for the OP to file the patch:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&component=livecd-tools

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Re: f12 guide

2009-12-16 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 04:37:20PM +0100, François Patte wrote:
> Bonjour,
> 
> I have just installed f12 on a laptop and I want to finish the install.
> 
> Searching for the fedora guide for f12, I can just find f11.
> 
> Where is the f12 guide?

Check the documentation site here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/

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Re: Detecting how Apps are called.

2009-12-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 03:30:50PM -0500, Jim wrote:
> Is there a command you can run like tail -f or what ever, to see
> where a Application is called from.
> 
> Running a application that  I can tell where it is  started or run from.
> Like when I plug in a SD card what and where is it started from.
> 
> I know this Question sounds confusing , but I'm not really sure how
> to ask it.

In a lot of cases this comes from DBus calls, I believe.  You can see
the myriad things happening on the session bus like this:

$ dbus-monitor --session

However, if you don't understand DBus this may not be incredibly
useful.  The applications called when you insert or attach common
types of media are found in your main menu under System > Preferences
> File Management, in the "Media" tab.

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Re: 3G dongles

2009-12-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:20:56AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 03:48:30PM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> > are these kinds of dongles working in F12???
> 
> Yes, quite a large number of them in fact.  This was one of the major
> feature points in the Fedora 12 release that went in quite early:
> 
> http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/07/10/unwire-with-networkmanager/

Apologies, that was the wrong link.  Here's the correct one:

http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/06/22/mobile-broadband-assistant-makes-it-easy/

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Re: 3G dongles

2009-12-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 03:48:30PM +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> are these kinds of dongles working in F12???

Yes, quite a large number of them in fact.  This was one of the major
feature points in the Fedora 12 release that went in quite early:

http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/07/10/unwire-with-networkmanager/


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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Suvayu" == Suvayu Ali  writes:

>> Trying movie player just says:
>> 
>> "No URI handler implemented for DVD"

Suvayu> Do you have libdvdcss installed from livna?
Suvayu> http://rpm.livna.org/repo/

No I hadn't.
Done it now. After a restart, VLC plays fine.

Thanks.

I think I am now extremely satisified with Fedora 12 on MacBookAir1,1
.

Goodbye Mac OSX (Hurrah! It might beat the shit out of Windows, but
it's still not up to Linux in my book).

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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:
Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>>>> Works for both headphones and speakers for me. :-)

Peter> Which reminds me: which air do you have; or what's the
Peter> output of the following command?

Peter> sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name

Colin> MacBookAir1,1

Colin> More on VLC - examining syslog showed sector read errors,
Colin> so switched to anther DVD.  This shows scrambled image (as
Colin> if it were a copy-protected copy - it isn't - i paid for it
Colin> and it works on Mac OSX with DVD player or VLC), and almost
Colin> no sound (the occaisional click).

Colin> I'm wondering if there are additional codecs I need to
Colin> install from somewhere (I just did a yum install vlc so
Colin> far)

Colin> Trying movie player just says:

Colin> "No URI handler implemented for DVD"

I installed -gstreamer-plugins-ugly/bad/ffmpeg.

Now i see in syslog errors saying "Add. Sense: read of scrambled
sector without authentication"

Looks like a kernel error.
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:
Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>>> Works for both headphones and speakers for me. :-)

Peter> Which reminds me: which air do you have; or what's the
Peter> output of the following command?

Peter> sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name

Colin> MacBookAir1,1

Colin> More on VLC - examining syslog showed sector read errors,
Colin> so switched to anther DVD.  This shows scrambled image (as
Colin> if it were a copy-protected copy - it isn't - i paid for it
Colin> and it works on Mac OSX with DVD player or VLC), and almost
Colin> no sound (the occaisional click).

Colin> I'm wondering if there are additional codecs I need to
Colin> install from somewhere (I just did a yum install vlc so
Colin> far)

Trying movie player just says:

"No URI handler implemented for DVD"
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> Works for both headphones and speakers for me. :-)

Peter> Which reminds me: which air do you have; or what's the
Peter> output of the following command?

Peter>   sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name

MacBookAir1,1

More on VLC - examining syslog showed sector read errors, so switched
to anther DVD.
This shows scrambled image (as if it were a copy-protected copy - it
isn't - i paid for it and it works on Mac OSX with DVD player or VLC),
and almost no sound (the occaisional click).

I'm wondering if there are additional codecs I need to install from
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> I just tried RythmBox with an Audio CD - it plays but not sound
>> :-(

Peter> The consensus seems to be (at least for MacBookAir2,1),
Peter> that the following in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf:

Peter>   options snd_hda_intel model=mbp3

Peter> lets you use the headphone, but not the speakers.[1]

Peter> I forget now how I got sound working on the MacBookAir1,1.

Works for both headphones and speakers for me. :-)

Cheers.

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Re: Fedora Board, FESCo & FAmSCo Elections - Voting Information

2009-12-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
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On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:19:42PM -0500, Nigel Jones wrote:
>  Please Note 
> There will be a Fedora Infrastructure outage during the voting period that
> may effect the voting application, as a result we have brought the voting 
> start date forward to the 5th December instead of the 8th December.
> 
> As announced by Paul Frields in the event of extended outage, we will as 
> appropriate extend the voting period.
> 
> We have also implemented a new feature in our voting software, so users 
> can verify their votes. Vote verification can be done at: 
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/verify
> You will be prompted for your Fedora Account System username and password 
> and a list of elections where votes have been recorded will be listed.
> 
> 
> For more information please refer to:
> 
> Fedora Infrastructure Outage Information:
>  * 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg0.html
>  * https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845
> 
> Contingency plans in case of extended outage:
>  * 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-December/msg00014.html
> *

The series of outages have been very short overall, but upper
estimates of various outages possibly affecting the voting application
are close to 8 hours.  Therefore, in keeping with our contingency
plan, the voting period for the Board, FESCo, and FAmSCo elections
will be extended by one additional day.  These elections now end on
2009-12-16 UTC 2359.

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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> I haven't had a chance to try this - the mouse pointer stopped
>> moving again. i have to reboot to re-enable it.  Any ideas on
>> how to cure this problem?

Peter> Does it happen when you play flash video? If so, try
Peter> removing libflashplayer.so; or reinstall flash.

flash isn't working, so no.

I just tried RythmBox with an Audio CD - it plays but not sound :-(
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> P.S. How do I right click (and middle click??) with the mouse
>> in GNOME on the Air?

Peter> If synaptics is enabled, hold down two fingers on the pad
Peter> while clicking to simulate a right-click; holding down
Peter> three fingers simulates a middle-click.

Peter> You can also drag two fingers on the pad to scroll.

I haven't had a chance to try this - the mouse pointer stopped moving
again. i have to reboot to re-enable it.
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:
Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>>> Maybe this will work with your second generation air.

Peter> Colin, you're a genius!

Colin> Possibly, but if so, I haven't shown it on this thread :-)
Colin> just blundered around in the dark, then encountered helpful
Colin> people here, such as you.

Peter> The final frontier now is sound: have you gotten anything
Peter> working yet?

Colin> I hadn't tried.

Colin> So I promptly went to Firefox to try to listen to
Colin> something, only to find the mouse pointer was frozen :-(

Colin> Rebooted.

Colin> Went to a you-tube video page in firefox that I frequent.
Colin> Had to install adobe flash. this made no difference so
Colin> rebooted.

Colin> This made no difference.  I guess i have to enable the
Colin> whole RPMFusion repo stuff now and try all that. 

P.S. How do I right click (and middle click??) with the mouse in GNOME on the 
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> Maybe this will work with your second generation air.

Peter> Colin, you're a genius!

Possibly, but if so, I haven't shown it on this thread :-)
just blundered around in the dark, then encountered helpful people
here, such as you.

Peter> The final frontier now is sound:
Peter> have you gotten anything working yet?

I hadn't tried.

So I promptly went to Firefox to try to listen to something, only to
find the mouse pointer was frozen :-(

Rebooted.

Went to a you-tube video page in firefox that I frequent.
Had to install adobe flash. this made no difference so rebooted.

This made no difference.
I guess i have to enable the whole RPMFusion repo stuff now and try
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-14 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Boomtime, the 55th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> This is not supported by the b43 device driver, so Linux on
>> this machine is not on.

Peter> That doesn't necessarily follow: I got wireless working on
Peter> the first-gen air with ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper is
Peter> sub-optimal, but it works in a pinch. I haven't been as
Peter> lucky with the second-gen air, though.

Well, I thought "Peter, you're a star!", and set off on this route. Of
course, the docs all talk about doing yum install. That won't work for
me (no internet connection!). So i did some digging, and eventually
found my way through to the non-free section of RpmFusion.

Transferring files one-by-one via USB stick, i was having problems
with dependencies. So I googled further. It turns out there is a
broadcom-wl in RPM Fusion, and you don't need ndiswrapper - you do
need kmod-wl, and just to confuse issues, there are two packages named
this, and you need both (!) - the one named kmod-wl-2.6.31 and the
one named kmod-wl.5.

Anyway, now I have a fully working Mackbook Air with fedora 12 (only)
installed on it, and airport networking.

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Re: linux as router

2009-12-13 Thread paul van der meij
I don't think that it makes sense to configure a router with one physical
network card. If another PC on the same cable segment tries to reach
something it needs a router that has connection with more than the same
network cable.

greetings, paul

2009/12/13 Adel ESSAFI 

> Hi list
> This is the first time I have to configure linux as router.
> I have a single network card for which I gave to IPs
>
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9
>   inet addr:41.231.X.Y  Bcast:41.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   inet6 addr: fe80::211:5bff:fe72:7fd9/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:2595 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:2295 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:1876353 (1.7 MiB)  TX bytes:328059 (320.3 KiB)
>   Interrupt:21 Base address:0x8000
>
> eth0:1Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9
>   inet addr:192.168.10.10  Bcast:192.168.10.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   Interrupt:21 Base address:0x8000
>
>
>
>
> and this is the default route
>
> [r...@routeur ~]# route
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
> Iface
> 41.231.2.0  *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00
> eth0
> 192.168.10.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0  00
> eth0
> link-local  *   255.255.0.0 U 1002   00
> eth0
> default 41.231.2.81 0.0.0.0 UG0  00
> eth0
>
>
> The problem now, is when I configure a PC with an IP adress 192.168.10.X
> and I put the gateway as 192.168.10.10, I do not succeed to ping any PC. How
> can I route all the packages from eth0:1 to eth0??
>
>
> note that I have configured the ip forward.
>
> echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
>
> Can you help me please.
>
> regards
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-13 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

Colin> Thanks to Chris Smart, Peter Danenberg and others, I have
Colin> been able to install Fedora 12 as the sole O/S on my
Colin> Macbook Air (first generation).

Colin> However the wirless networking is not enabled.  I am
Colin> following the instructions in
Colin> 
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/wireless-guide/f12/en-US/html-single/#chap-Wireless_Guide-Fedora_And_Wireless
Colin> .

Colin> There was no wireless device shown in the network
Colin> Configuration, so I clicked New and added a device for
Colin> hardware Apple Airport.  I also tried adding wireless
Colin> device on the Hardware tab (eth0), but although it allows
Colin> me to do this, after I save and then reopen the Network
Colin> Configuration, the hardware only shows a device pan0 of
Colin> Type Ethernet (which was there from the start). It does
Colin> appear on the Devices tab (it didn't originally until I
Colin> added it), but has staus of inactive, and no means to
Colin> activate it.

Colin> However, even after restarting the computer, the wireless
Colin> icon on the panel says there are no network devices
Colin> available.

Colin> So I tried removing the device from control by
Colin> NetworkManager, and activated it manually. But then I get:

Colin> Device eth0 does seem to be present, delaying
Colin> initalization.

Colin> What do I need to do?

Apparently the answer is to forget about using Linux, and restore Mac
OSX :-( :-(

I did 

lspci

And discovered the device is a broadcom with PCI-ID of 14e4:4328 .

According to 

http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43

This is not supported by the b43 device driver, so Linux on this
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Re: Cursor of konsole hides last character

2009-12-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:45 PM, H. Willstrand  wrote:
>>>> Is there some workaround to prevent the cursor of konsole (KDE) of
>>>> hiding the last character typed?
>>>
>>> I've never seen Konsole doing what you describe, but you might try
>>> "Settings" -> "Edit current settings" in the menu and tweak it to your
>>> preference. Maybe the color settings are garbled or something?
>>
>> Thanks, Marko. I tried some tweaking through
>>
>> "Settings" -> "Edit current settings",
>>
>> but no success.
>>
>> I am attaching a screen-shot, which shows the problem.
>>
>
> Seams to be a font issue, try "System settings" -> "Appearance" ->
> "Font" -> "Force font DPI" = 96DPI or other alternatives to see if
> things gets better.

Thanks, H. Willstrand. Changing DPI improves the situation, in fact.

Paul

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Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

2009-12-13 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Thanks to Chris Smart, Peter Danenberg and others, I have been able to
install Fedora 12 as the sole O/S on my Macbook Air (first
generation).

However the wirless networking is not enabled.
I am following the instructions in
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/wireless-guide/f12/en-US/html-single/#chap-Wireless_Guide-Fedora_And_Wireless
 .

There was no wireless device shown in the network Configuration, so I
clicked New and added a device for hardware Apple Airport.
I also tried adding wireless device on the Hardware tab (eth0), but although
it allows me to do this, after I save and then reopen the Network
Configuration, the hardware only shows a device pan0 of Type Ethernet
(which was there from the start). It does appear on the Devices tab
(it didn't originally until I added it), but has staus of inactive,
and no means to activate it.

However, even after restarting the computer, the wireless icon on the
panel says there are no network devices available.

So I tried removing the device from control by NetworkManager, and
activated it manually. But then I get:

Device eth0 does seem to be present, delaying initalization.

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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-12 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

    Peter> Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Sweetmorn, the 54th of The
Peter> Aftermath:
>> Can you sketch the details of this reformatting exercise
>> please?

Peter> I'm not sure if the formatting is, strictly speaking,
Peter> necessary; but here's how I got Fedora 12 installed on the
Peter> second-gen Air:

Peter>   1. Used the Disk Utility on the OS X Install DVD to erase
Peter> all the partitions; see, e.g.:

Peter>http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/partitioning_tiger.html
  
Peter>  for details.

Peter>   2. Installed Fedora 12 with the following boot
Peter> parameters:

Peter>intel_iommu=off vga=771
  
Peter>  I find it interesting that it worked for you out of
Peter> the box; with a first-gen Air, I was forced to use:

Peter>xdriver=vesa acpi=off

Peter>   3. At this point, you should have a successful
Peter> installation which fails to boot; if so, boot from a
Peter> rEFIt[1] CD and run gptsync from the Partitioning Tool.

Peter> It's possible that only step 3 is applicable to you, if
Peter> indeed you have a successful installation.

I tried step 3 alone and it works!
Thank you for your time.

Peter> Footnotes: [1] http://refit.sourceforge.net/


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Re: Flowchart-ish tool

2009-12-12 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Steven Stern
 wrote:
>> Is there some rpm of XMind available?
>
> No, at least not that I've found. I downloaded the "universal" version, put
> it in ~/Xmind and create a desktop shortcut pointing to
> ~/xmind-3.1/XMind_Linux/xmind

Thanks, Steven.

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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-12 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

>> Is there a way to install fedora on a Macbook air (as the sole
>> operating system)?

Peter> I'm currently using Fedora 11 as the sole OS on a
Peter> second-gen air; it involved, IIRC, booting with the OS X
Peter> installation disc and reformatting the drive with the Disk
Peter> Utility prior to installing Fedora.

Can you sketch the details of this reformatting exercise please?

Peter> I was just sitting down to repeat the process with Fedora
Peter> 12; but, lo and behold, the Fedora 12 installer craps out
Peter> with a kernel panic.

I have no problems with the F12 installer (other than the resultant
installation fails to boot).
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Re: Cursor of konsole hides last character

2009-12-12 Thread Paul Smith
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:
>> Is there some workaround to prevent the cursor of konsole (KDE) of
>> hiding the last character typed?
>
> I've never seen Konsole doing what you describe, but you might try
> "Settings" -> "Edit current settings" in the menu and tweak it to your
> preference. Maybe the color settings are garbled or something?

Thanks, Marko. I tried some tweaking through

"Settings" -> "Edit current settings",

but no success.

I am attaching a screen-shot, which shows the problem.

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Re: Flowchart-ish tool

2009-12-12 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Steven Stern
 wrote:
>> I am trying to create a visual aid for some complex relationships (not
>> software, sorry). It would seem that some flowchart, or similar
>> software, might assist. I need to show the relationships between items
>> and groups of items, and I really don't want to do it by hand.
>>
>> Ideally I would identify a group of items as a group, so they could be
>> place near one another or marked with the same color, or similar. Then I
>> want to describe the relationship between them, (ex: 'depends on', or
>> 'funds') and the relationship might look different from each end. Simple
>> example A and B, from A B has relation 'child' while from B A has
>> relation 'parent'. That term 'properties' seems to be used in some
>> things I found, but I haven't gotten a solution.
>>
>> Does this ring a bell with anyone? Or even suggest a good manual tool,
>> neither xfig nor gimp is ideal.
>>
> You might be able to do this  in a mind-map tool like XMind.
> http://xmind.net

Is there some rpm of XMind available?

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Cursor of konsole hides last character

2009-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All,

Is there some workaround to prevent the cursor of konsole (KDE) of
hiding the last character typed?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-11 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom H  writes:
Colin> Does anyone know how to get F12 to boot from the macbook
Colin> Air, without resorting to Boot Camp (I can't afford the
Colin> disk space to have both Mac OSX and linux installed)?

Tom> I did some googling about this a while ago because a friend
Tom> wanted to single-boot Ubuntu on her Mac Mini. She got cold
Tom> feet and stuck to her dual-boot with rEFIt so the following
Tom> is theoretical and from memory.

Tom> (1) You have to keep sda as a gpt disk.

Tom> ***start*** # parted (parted) print [if "partition table" is
Tom> not "gpt] (parted) mktable gpt ***end***

Tom> (2) You have to move "/boot" to "/efi/boot" and it has to
Tom> include a "boot.efi" (unsure of the exact name) grub
Tom> binary/stage loader. Take a look at the structure of the
Tom> Fedora 12 Live CD. (If you are booted from it, the "ro" not
Tom> the "rw" mount.)

Colin> Thanks Tom. That gives me something to dig into.

Hm.
According to:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EFI

"x86_64 installation | 99 | Install working now for Intel boxes, UEFI
2.1. Not working on MACs, untested on any other hardware platforms and
likely to need further debug there."

That "Not working on MACs" bit suggests that I'm not going to be able
to do this.
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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-11 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Tom" == Tom H  writes:

Colin> Does anyone know how to get F12 to boot from the macbook
Colin> Air, without resorting to Boot Camp (I can't afford the
Colin> disk space to have both Mac OSX and linux installed)?

Tom> I did some googling about this a while ago because a friend
Tom> wanted to single-boot Ubuntu on her Mac Mini. She got cold
Tom> feet and stuck to her dual-boot with rEFIt so the following
Tom> is theoretical and from memory.

Tom> (1) You have to keep sda as a gpt disk.

Tom> ***start*** # parted (parted) print [if "partition table" is
Tom> not "gpt] (parted) mktable gpt ***end***

Tom> (2) You have to move "/boot" to "/efi/boot" and it has to
Tom> include a "boot.efi" (unsure of the exact name) grub
Tom> binary/stage loader. Take a look at the structure of the
Tom> Fedora 12 Live CD. (If you are booted from it, the "ro" not
Tom> the "rw" mount.)

Thanks Tom. That gives me something to dig into.
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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-11 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:
>>>>> "Tom" == Tom H  writes:
>>>> But how to get the Air to try to boot from the USB port?
Tom> Try booting with "c" pressed (it is supposed to be for
Tom> CDs/DVDs but it might work with a bootable external drive

Colin> I actually meant with a DVD drive, but probably forgot to
Colin> say that in my original message.  This works up to a
Colin> point. That is, I can begin the installation process, but
Colin> when loading the kernel from the DVD, it soon comes to a
Colin> halt (this is with F11, 64-bit, purely investigatory, as I
Colin> shall try with F12 once I have downloaded the ISO for
Colin> that).

Colin> I'm having better luck with F12. I'm staring at the
Colin> configure-disk-partitions option screen, and wandering if I
Colin> dare change the hfs+ volume to ext4 and proceed. 

But although installation completed OK, I was not able to get it to
boot.

The first time I left the EFI System partition intact on /dev/sda1,
and accepted the default of installing the boot loading on /dev/sda2
(my /boot partition).

The result was a light grey screen appeared, and after a while a
darker-grey folder icon appeared in the centre, with a flashing
question mark. I assumed it couldn't find the O/S or boot loader.

I tried again, this time I deleted the EFI System partition and
installed /boot on /dev/sda1. I installed the boot loader onto
/dev/sda.

Same result.

So I resorted to re-installing Mac OSX, so as to have a usable
machine.

Does anyone know how to get F12 to boot from the macbook Air, without
resorting to Boot Camp (I can't afford the disk space to have both Mac
OSX and linux installed)?
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Re: dragging with 2 fingers for mac book pro touchpad

2009-12-10 Thread paul s
How can i do "dragging with two fingers" in Fedora 12 with the touchpad 


be sure that you have this package...

xorg-x11-drv-synaptics

check to see if you have two finger scrolling enabled with the utility 
gnome-mouse-properties...


http://queuemail.com/gnome-mouse-properties.png

http://techdigger.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/multitouch-on-synaptics-trackpad-on-linux/ 


also options no longer go in the xorg.conf and instead should be 
migrated to a hal fdi configuration; placed in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/


http://queuemail.com/10-synaptics.fdi

documentation for the configuration can be found in the manual pages
http://linux.die.net/man/5/synaptics

some other good general documentation can be found here...
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics

this works on a mbp4,1...
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_734339f1-74c4-4607-a763-2ef2378ab19e

hope that helps...

cheers
paul


On 12/11/2009 12:04 AM, khemara lyn wrote:

Dear All,

Sorry if the topic has already been covered that i did not know off.

How can i do "dragging with two fingers" in Fedora 12 with the touchpad 
of Mac Book Pro?


I tried to follow this one:

http://techdigger.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/multitouch-on-synaptics-trackpad-on-linux/ 



but it did not work.

Any more pointers would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Khem



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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-09 Thread Colin Paul Adams
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:

>>>>> "Tom" == Tom H  writes:
>>> But how to get the Air to try to boot from the USB port?
Tom> Try booting with "c" pressed (it is supposed to be for
Tom> CDs/DVDs but it might work with a bootable external drive

Colin> I actually meant with a DVD drive, but probably forgot to
Colin> say that in my original message.  This works up to a
Colin> point. That is, I can begin the installation process, but
Colin> when loading the kernel from the DVD, it soon comes to a
Colin> halt (this is with F11, 64-bit, purely investigatory, as I
Colin> shall try with F12 once I have downloaded the ISO for
Colin> that).

I'm having better luck with F12. I'm staring at the
configure-disk-partitions option screen, and wandering if I dare
change the hfs+ volume to ext4 and proceed.
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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-09 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Tom" == Tom H  writes:

>> But how to get the Air to try to boot from the USB port?
Tom> Try booting with "c" pressed (it is supposed to be for
Tom> CDs/DVDs but it might work with a bootable external drive 

I actually meant with a DVD drive, but probably forgot to say that in
my original message.
This works up to a point. That is, I can begin the installation
process, but when loading the kernel from the DVD, it soon comes to a
halt (this is with F11, 64-bit, purely investigatory, as I shall try with F12
once I have downloaded the ISO for that).

>> "Chad" == Chad Kellerman  writes:

 Chad>When it comes to booting from a disk drive, I believe the Air only boot 
OS's
 Chad> from a Super Drive.  ( I read that somewhere once..)

 Chad>I think you want to look at http://refit.sourceforge.net/  that has all 
the
 Chad> documentation you need

Hm. It doesn't actually answer my question outright, but I think the
answer is I can't do it - I will need to retain a minimal Mac OSX
partition. :-( 

(I can't spare the disk space for two OSes, as I use
the Air as a repository for digital photographs when on holiday. I
filled the disk last year with one day to go of a fortnight in
thailand - fortunately the 8GB memory card on the camera didn't fill
on the last day).
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Re: Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-08 Thread Colin Paul Adams
> "Dan" == Dan Burkland  writes:

Dan> I don't personally own a MacBook Air however I'm sure you
Dan> could make a bootable USB drive and install Fedora from that.

I don't have a USB stick of sufficient size. I do however have a USB
disk drive which works fine with it.

But how to get the Air to try to boot from the USB port?
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Fedora on Macbook Air?

2009-12-08 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Is there a way to install fedora on a Macbook air (as the sole
operating system)?
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Re: kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64 causes kernel panic

2009-12-08 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Sam Sharpe  wrote:
>> Have you noticed this bug
>>
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545043
>
> Nope. Just updated and rebooted to check:
>
> [...@samlap ~]$ uname -a
> Linux samlap.fireburst.co.uk 2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 4
> 00:06:26 EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Funny modules loaded? Failure of dracut to build a correct initrd? Run
> out of space on /boot?
>
> [...@samlap ~]$ ls -al /boot/*162*
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    97986 2009-12-04 05:19
> /boot/config-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11286959 2009-12-07 22:17
> /boot/initramfs-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64.img
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1870388 2009-12-04 05:19
> /boot/System.map-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  3423712 2009-12-04 05:19
> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64

Thanks, Sam. On a different computer, I do not get the reported kernel panic.

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kernel-2.6.31.6-162.fc12.x86_64 causes kernel panic

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All,

Have you noticed this bug

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545043

?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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Board appointment

2009-12-05 Thread Paul Frields
I am pleased to announce that Christopher Aillon will continue in his
appointed seat on the Fedora Project Board for this cycle.  His term
will last until the selection process following the release of Fedora
14, in accordance with the Board's established succession planning.
Christopher's presence on the Board has helped our discussions on a
number of subjects over the past year, and I look forward to having
him continue that relationship.

Apologies for making this announcement slightly after the beginning of
elections, due to the schedule change of elections and the intervening
FUDCon activity. The remaining Board appointment will be made after
the close of the Board elections.

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Re: Difficulty setting up Fedora 12 screen

2009-12-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Tony Nelson
 wrote:
>> After installing Fedora 12 I am having problems setting up 1280x1024
>> screen resolution.  Only 640x480 and 800x600 are available. I was
>> using F11 at 1280x1024 on this hardware before upgrading to F12.
>> After that, so far no joy.  I would appreciate any helpful info.  I
>> have also tried using various configurations of the xorg.conf and
>> xrandr without success.   Obviously, I'm missing something.  I feel
>> certain that the fix is right under my nose but so far, nothing
>> works.
>>
>> Here is my xorg.conf file:
>  ...
>
> Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be very helpful when diagnosing
> resolution problems, and when using KMS (Kernel Mode-Setting), the
> relevant parts of dmesg / var/log/messages.

Have you tried to set your display with

system-config-display

?

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Re: F12 Lost Gnome Panels

2009-12-03 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:33:21PM +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:43:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>   []
> >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:52:26 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
>   []
> >> > Try restarting gnome-panel (assuming it's Gnome you're using)
> >> 
> >>That's what I want all right -- and I am running Gnome. But how
> >> do I do it? I can't even seem to get a CLI. Ssh into it from another
> >> machine?
> > 
> > Can you hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 (or F3, F4...) to get a terminal?  
> 
>   I'd've sworn that was one of the things I had tried; but, be that 
> as it may, I did get a prompt this time.
> 
> > If so, you
> > can log in there, locally, to issue commands.  
> 
>   I did that, as user. The only command I could think of at first 
> was "gnome-panel." That got me lots of options for help, but nothing I 
> could understand. I tried several likely-sounding ones anyway, but still 
> got nowhere.

Right, gnome-panel won't run unless you're in a gnome-session (i.e. in
the GUI).

> > Some may not be as
> > effective without the X environment variables set -- but at worst, if
> > you had no work pending, you could kill the gnome-session and see if
> > your panels return.  (That's kind of an atomic bomb approach.)
> 
>   H I thought to try "startx" first. That told me X was 
> running, and what seemed to be the lock to remove. (There was a short 
> illegible line in there.)

Right, although you could start a second one with:

  startx -- :1

>   I tried "rm /tmp/.X0-lock255.255.0" and it seemed to think the 
> command should end with <...>lock ; I tried that; it wouldn't let me; I 
> did "su - "  and tried again.

Not the best idea while X is actually running.

>   That seemed to succeed, but "startx" got me a whole bunch of 
> stuff I couldn't make head nor tail of.
> 
>   So I tried the big hammer -- Ctrl-Alt-BS -- though I'm sure I had 
> before. It did nothing, afaict.

You do need to use this key in the GUI itself for it to work, and the
kill behavior has to be enabled.  The default is that this old killer
key combo is turned off.  (The setting is in the System > Preferences
> Keyboard tool).

>   So I tried "ps ax|grep X" -- and got a couple of numbers, one 
> obviously the command I had just given. I told it to kill the other. That 
> put me back (for the umpteenth time today) to a login screen.
>
>   Logging in just put me back into my desert desktop. There are no 
> hide buttons nor anything else to show it ever heard of a panel -- and, 
> as I thought, Ctrl-Alt-Fx (for x = 2 - 7) does nothing afaict.

Can you hit Alt-F2 to run a command?  If so, you can try running
'gnome-terminal' to see if you can get a command line in the GUI.

>   I should perhaps mention that this machine (my #1) got royally, 
> unbootably bollixed a few days ago, and ended up with a fresh install of 
> F12 -- into which I began trying to scp /home/btth from #2 -- and messed 
> that up so that there seem to be several partial copies scattered all 
> over it in spots, to the point that the hard drive thinks it's 
> effectively full  At any rate, "df -h" shows it far fuller than it 
> ought to be.

Uh, yup -- it's possible that your GConf registry may be messed up
then.  (I thought not in another post but hadn't read this through
yet, thanks for all the detail.)  It's stored under ~/.gconf -- maybe
you *should* move that to a backup, kill the session and try logging
in again.

>   LATER : after another reboot, leaning hard and long on Ctrl-Alt-
> F2 did get me another prompt; I logged in as root -- and am wondering 
> what to try next 

You don't need to be root to fix this.  Log in as your normal user
unless something is wrong with the actual system itself.  So far it
looks like the problem is with your normal user.

To test that hypothesis, you could log in as root, add a new user:

# useradd 
# passwd # enter new password twice
# logout

Then login the GUI as the new user.  If everything works fine, chances
are it's a user-related problem.  Using root to fix things is not
usually required for that, and you can do other damage or induce weird
permission-related problems if you're not careful.

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Re: F12 Lost Gnome Panels

2009-12-03 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 06:36:52PM -0500, William Witt wrote:
> On 12/03/2009 04:33 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> > I should perhaps mention that this machine (my #1) got royally,
> >unbootably bollixed a few days ago, and ended up with a fresh install of
> >F12 -- into which I began trying to scp /home/btth from #2 -- and messed
> >that up so that there seem to be several partial copies scattered all
> >over it in spots, to the point that the hard drive thinks it's
> >effectively full  At any rate, "df -h" shows it far fuller than it
> >ought to be.
> 
> This is probably the problem. A partial copy or corrupted .gconf
> directory.  So try this:
> 
> -After a reboot at the login screen press Crtl+Alt F2
> -Log in text mode with your user acct
> -issue the folloing commands
> mv .gconf bak.gconf
> mv .gconfd bak.gconfd
> mv .gnome2 bak.gnome2
> mv .gnome2_private bak.gnome2_private
> 
> -This is the tactical nuke of gnome config problems.  This will
> force gnome to recreate your gnome configuration on next login
> -Press Crtl-Alt F1 and you should be back at the GUI login screen,
> so log in again and see if you have panels.  All of your old config
> settings are stored in th bak. directories so you can selectively
> copy them over if you have something (like f-spot) that is not easy
> to just reconfigure.
> 
> Hopefully this helps

Yikes, that's a LOT of work for this one problem, and a lot of
customization to comb through later.  *At most* you would want to
backup .gconf/apps/panel -- not the whole kit 'n' kaboodle.  Still not
sure that's necessary though.

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Re: How to configure Thunderbird to open pdf attachments with Okular?

2009-12-03 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Henrique Koesjan  wrote:
> sorry, mimeTypes.rdf not mimeType.rdf
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Henrique Koesjan  wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I don't know if it is the best way to do that, but you can:
>> close thunderbird
>> go to:
>> ~/.thunderbird/
>> there is a directory like ??.default or other name (your profile folder).
>> There is a file called mimeType.rdf
>>
>> make a backup of it: cp mimeType.rdf mimeType.rdf.backup
>> gedit mimeType.rdf
>>
>> look for some lines like that:
>>  > RDF:about="urn:mimetype:externalApplication:application/pdf"
>>                   NC:prettyName=""
>>                   NC:path="" />
>>
>> change to:
>>  > RDF:about="urn:mimetype:externalApplication:application/pdf"
>>                   NC:prettyName="okular"
>>                   NC:path="/usr/bin/okular" />
>>
>> save and close gedit, and exit terminal.
>>
>> open thunderbird, and next time you will be prompted to open, you can
>> choose okular and if you want memorize this decision.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Paul Smith  wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I would like to configure Thunderbird to open pdf attachments with
>>> Okular. However, I cannot find any entry for the pdf type in the tab
>>> Attachments of the Preferences window. Any ideas?

Thanks, Henrique and Steven. I have just deleted  my mimeTypes.rdf,
and apparently everything seems to be working: Okular is the default
Thunderbird application to open pdf attachments.

Paul

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Re: F12 Lost Gnome Panels

2009-12-03 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 08:04:55PM +, BeartoothHOS wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:52:26 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Beartooth 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>I don't know what I did that made my panels go away -- but I
> >>need
> >> them back.
> >>
> >>All I see is the bare desktop, with launchers for Computer, my
> >> user's home, and the trash.
> >>
> >>I need my left (originally top) and bottom panels. How do I get
> >> them back??
> >>
> >>
> > Try restarting gnome-panel (assuming it's Gnome you're using)
> 
>   That's what I want all right -- and I am running Gnome. But how 
> do I do it? I can't even seem to get a CLI. Ssh into it from another 
> machine?

Can you hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 (or F3, F4...) to get a terminal?  If so, you
can log in there, locally, to issue commands.  Some may not be as
effective without the X environment variables set -- but at worst, if
you had no work pending, you could kill the gnome-session and see if
your panels return.  (That's kind of an atomic bomb approach.)

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How to configure Thunderbird to open pdf attachments with Okular?

2009-12-02 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All,

I would like to configure Thunderbird to open pdf attachments with
Okular. However, I cannot find any entry for the pdf type in the tab
Attachments of the Preferences window. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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Re: Setting up a VM to run XP in an up-to-date F12 box?

2009-11-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Hiisi  wrote:
>> I can also recommend VirtualBox. I am running XP on VirtualBox, which
>> is fast and simple.
>>
> Can you, virtualisation gurus, point me out how to set up shared
> folder in VirtualBox for guest Window$ XP? It looks like an easy task
> but I'm unable to see it anywhere from within guest system.

You just need to install Guest Additions:

http://seogadget.co.uk/how-to-install-virtualbox-guest-additions/

Afterwards, set the directory to be shared in the virtual machine settings.

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Re: Setting up a VM to run XP in an up-to-date F12 box?

2009-11-28 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:
>> Can someone point me to a good step by step howto to set up Windows XP
>>  installed from an iso in a VM in F12 using kvm.  There are some XP
>>  applications that only work in XP itself rather than in wine or Crossover.
>>
>> I have not tinkered with virtualised machines before so this is a learning
>>  curve for me.
>
> If this is your first time, I can suggest to try out VirtualBox:
>
> yum install VirtualBox-OSE
>
> (it's in rpmfusion-free repo). It is far more user-friendly (from my POV) for
> a first-timer.
>
> Read the manuals in order to learn what is possible. After your first install,
> you'll probably figure out that you could have made better choices in some
> areas etc., and you'll probably go make another VM, and another, and... :-)
>
> I remember that my third VM install was pretty much perfect for me (it was
> under VMWare at the time). Now under VirtualBox I have it all working, even 3D
> acceleration (games and such).
>
> It's typically faster to install XP from an .iso file than from the CD drive
> itself. Clean, fast and useful.
>
> All in all, it's really easy, and fun to do! :-)
>
>> It is not clear where the virtualised machine would get installed by
>>  default - but it looks like it would be in /var/lib/libvirt/images which
>>  is on the root partition in my case so I made a new directory in a bigger
>>  partition with plenty of space, and bind mounted it ahead of trying to
>>  create a new VM.
>
> KVM has that path as default. AFAIK, the problem is that if you change it,
> SELinux will start yelling at you --- be prepared to deal with it, chcon your
> custom directory, semanage policies etc... VirtualBox doesn't have those
> problems. ;-)

I can also recommend VirtualBox. I am running XP on VirtualBox, which
is fast and simple.

Paul

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Re: Cifs with no writing permissions

2009-11-26 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Steve Searle  wrote:
>> I have just upgraded from F11 to F12, and now when I mount a samba
>> partition with command
>>
>> mount -t cifs -o iocharset=iso8859-1,user="xxx",rw //xxx /mnt/mydir
>>
>> I do not have writing permissions on the mounted directory.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> This works for me:
>
> mount -t cifs -o
> credentials=/etc/samba/steve.cred,exec,uid=steve,gid=steve,dir_mode=0755,file_mode=0644
>  //peregrine/img2 /img.peregrine
>
> Have a look at the two mode arguments.

Thanks, Steve. With inserting the uid and the gid, the problem was solved.

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Cifs with no writing permissions

2009-11-26 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All,

I have just upgraded from F11 to F12, and now when I mount a samba
partition with command

mount -t cifs -o iocharset=iso8859-1,user="xxx",rw //xxx /mnt/mydir

I do not have writing permissions on the mounted directory.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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F11 Thunderbird 3 beta 4

2009-11-25 Thread Paul Erickson

Does anyone know when there will be an upgrade beyond
Thunderbird 3 beta 4? My main problem with it is that the
ability to "run filter now" button is no longer functioning.
A Bugzilla report has been filed some time ago, but I
see no indication of when a new version of Thunderbird will
be available for F11 which will fix the problem.

Have I missed something somewhere?

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Re: Is /boot size a concern for just preupgrade or all upgrades ?

2009-11-25 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Craig White  wrote:
>> Is there a difference in the /boot size requirement for different
>> upgrade methods ?
>>
>> Ie does upgrading from the DVD iso take less room on /boot than doing a
>> preupgrade via yum ?
> 
> from DVD, upgrading doesn't require any real amount of space beyond that
> needed for a kernel install.
>
> from preupgrade, it needs space to download the stage 2 boot but if you
> have a wired connection, preupgrade can download the stage 2 boot on the
> fly if you don't have enough space in /boot

In my case, even with the installation DVD, the complaint about not
enough space for /boot showed up, breaking the installation procedure.

Paul

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Re: ext4fs

2009-11-24 Thread paul van der meij
there is no problem what so ever with a mix of file systems on linux, so you
can simply continue with your ext3 /home if you want.

paul

2009/11/23 david walcroft 

> I am going to clean install fc12 but I don't know how to
> handle this situation,my /home is ext3fs and I want format the rest of my
> directories as ext4fs,will the two fs get on together
> or am I going to format everything as ext4 and use my /home backup.
>  If I use my dvd backup,what command do I use to transfer the data
> from the dvd to my harddrive and do I have to do it in ctrl-alt-F2
> CLI
>
>   david
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Re: No F-12 NFS mounts at boot -

2009-11-24 Thread paul van der meij
maybe you can start using autofs, then there is no need for hard mounting in
your fstab, and this will also solve your problem


2009/11/24 Tom H 

> >   NFS has worked for me without many problems from F10 to F11 but on
> >   the new F12 install I have to mount nfs manually after boot.
>
> fstab may be trying to mount your nfs mounts before the network is up.
> If this is the case, adding "_netdev" to your nfs mounts will solve
> your problem.
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Re: preupgrade: after reboot, merely back to old system

2009-11-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 05:38:44PM -0500, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/share/preupgrade/preupgrade-gtk.py", line 240, in
> on_assistant_apply
> self._do_main()
>   File "/usr/share/preupgrade/preupgrade-gtk.py", line 259, in _do_main
> self.main_preupgrade()
>   File "/usr/share/preupgrade/preupgrade-gtk.py", line 436, in main_preupgrade
> download_progressbar=self.dnlProgress)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/preupgrade/__init__.py", line
> 130, in setup
> self.complete_repo_setup()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/preupgrade/__init__.py", line
> 328, in complete_repo_setup
> repo._grabfunc.opts.user_agent = __user_agent__
> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'opts'

See this bug for details and a workaround:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538118

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