Re: Does anyone else think yumex is broken?
On 01/07/2010 04:08 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: The yum command line tool is great for anyone who wants to see more of the guts of package management. However, PackageKit is neither unreliable nor barely communicating in my experience, and I use it most of the time in Fedora. Well, ... * ... I have occasionally seen PK notifying me about "updates available", but when trying to download/install the updates, it told me "0 updates available" * ... in recent weeks (last time today) I've seen it forgetting about its reboot notification (I was notified about updates being available, and updated, but haven't rebooted since then - Initially the "reboot notification button" appeared, meanwhile it's gone). ... Yum also has bits that allow it to communicate with PackageKit when run on the command line. This system works quite well. May-be for you ... I am not excited about PK. A nice idea, but (over-?) ladden with many (IMO) discussworthy/questionable "features". Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????
On 12/22/2009 12:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/22/2009 11:43 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: What I am actually doing is to filter incoming mails from several remote imap and pop accounts into a local dovecot-imap applying thunderbird filtering. Have you disabled "Keep messages for this account on this computer" for every account? This option is in the "Synchronization& Storage" tab for the account. The default is "on", unfortunately. No, I hadn't. For some accounts it was "on", for some it was "off". I am giving "off" for all a try and keep you posted, should this improve the situation. So far (after ca. 6 hours), setting them to "off", significantly reduces the mess, nevertheless, I am still occasionally observing old mails being marked as "new". So ... close, but no cigar ;) Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????
On 12/22/2009 11:43 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: What I am actually doing is to filter incoming mails from several remote imap and pop accounts into a local dovecot-imap applying thunderbird filtering. Have you disabled "Keep messages for this account on this computer" for every account? This option is in the "Synchronization& Storage" tab for the account. The default is "on", unfortunately. No, I hadn't. For some accounts it was "on", for some it was "off". I am giving "off" for all a try and keep you posted, should this improve the situation. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????
On 12/22/2009 10:15 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: On 21/12/09 22:08, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Unfortunately, I don't know if who the culprit actually is: dovecot, TB3 or x86_64 or else. Ralf I have 3.0-4.fc12 Thunderbird on 64bit. (gmail-imap) None of the problems you describe. Only known bugs with the filter list. I don't have Dovecot OK, another indication that the culprit might be dovecot, IMO. [I am suspecting a file locking issue between TB3 and dovecot, but this is not much more but a wild guess without having any evidence for it.] What I am actually doing is to filter incoming mails from several remote imap and pop accounts into a local dovecot-imap applying thunderbird filtering. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????
On 12/22/2009 04:58 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 12/21/2009 10:36 PM, Mail Lists wrote: On 12/21/2009 09:29 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Ralf This could be a GLODA bug ... please confirm it is off and of not try turning GLODA off and see if that helps. Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced General Unselect GLobal Indexing Not using it. (ie, its already off) Same here. It's off. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????
On 12/22/2009 01:23 AM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 12/21/2009 05:08 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Welcome to the club - You seem to be facing the same issues as I have been facing ever since the TB3 betas hit Fedora. After things had somewhat smoothed since the inital Fedora release, with TB-3.0 (final) last week, things once again turn into "close to being unbearable/unusable". Unfortunately, I don't know if who the culprit actually is: dovecot, TB3 or x86_64 or else. Me neither. I had none of these problems with the betas. Then again, I wasn't using mail filters then either. Now I am, and I'm also running the new TB3. My server has been running dovecot-1.2.8-4.0.cf (I've been putting off the atrpms 1.2.9 update hoping that city-fan would also put a 1.2.9 up for update.) The only *recent* change has been the new TB3 and the mail filters. Are you running thunderbird on the same machine as dovecot or are they running on separate machines? In my setup, I usually run thunderbird and dovecot-imap on the same x86_64 machine. Throughout yesterday, I worked on a different, i386-machine accessing dovecot-imap on my x86_64-machine, and haven't observed one these issues (yet?). Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????
On 12/21/2009 02:47 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: OK, so I'm an email hog. I don't like to use the delete key. Here's my setup: My email server is F10.i386 (yeah, yeah, I know its EOLed) Its up-to-date, running dovecot as my IMAP server. My laptop is F11.x86_64. I'm running the new thunderbird 3.0 which was just released. My Inbox was getting very large.> 70,000 messages in it. While things were starting to take a long time to do, yesterday I finally decided to do something about it. I created some 25 (or so) sub-folders in my primary email account and set about transferring various emails from my Inbox to the sub-folders. For the most part, I created an email filter for every email list I am a member of to automatically move emails from each list to its own sub-folder. It took me a while (> 4 hours). When I was done it was working. Kinda. I noticed that I had started seeing some really strange problems. While reading my incoming fedora-list emails (for example), thunderbird marked the email I was currently reading as un-read, right before my eyes! It also marked the 3 emails I had *just* read as unread. While going though that mailbox (using the Next button to read the next unread email), I read some messages 3-4 times before it finally told me I had read everything! That's when I started to notice that all of a sudden I had 38 unread emails in the mailbox I had read previous to the one I was in now. When I went back to read them, most of them were familiar! I had just read them. I wss going nuts. What's happening? This morning I st down to read my emails that occurred overnight. Thunderbird tells me I have 38 unread emails in my Admin box. When I go there to read them, it tells me there are only 24 unread emails! The first one is dated 9/26/2009! OK, so I read it. I'm pretty sure I've read it before I continue to read the other 23 emails. Then I hit the Next button again, and here I am back at this email from 9/26 again! While I'm writing this email, thunderbird now tells me I have 4 unread emails in my Admin mailbox. One of them is new. The rest are dated: 5/4/2009, 9/26/2009 (yeup, them same one I've read twice already today!), and 10/11/2009, and 10/11/2009. That's right, while I was reading them, it decided to mark another already read email as unread! Am I going nuts Oh, wait! I have 4 unread email in Admin: 5/4/2009, 9/26/2009, and those 2 from 10/11/2009 again! Now its happened again! Please, someone tell me how to get thunderbird to stop this madness! Welcome to the club - You seem to be facing the same issues as I have been facing ever since the TB3 betas hit Fedora. After things had somewhat smoothed since the inital Fedora release, with TB-3.0 (final) last week, things once again turn into "close to being unbearable/unusable". Unfortunately, I don't know if who the culprit actually is: dovecot, TB3 or x86_64 or else. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tar oddity...
On 12/17/2009 11:51 PM, DB wrote: Hi All, I've just (re)installed F12 on my laptop, & tried to copy my home directory (F11) from my desktop using tar. The create went OK, & I can do tar tvh on the desktop no probs. But when I connect the external drive to the laptop, tar tvh says it's closing because of previous errors; ark refuses to open the .tar.gz file as it has errors. Please show us the actual error message. You are not providing sufficient details to be able to help. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?
On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? AFAICT, almost all of the upgrade issues are related to preupgrade demands on /boot's sizes ;-) I was expecting a totally different response. Except of the usual issues related to FC12 shipping older packages than FC11 and the usual side effects of other packaging bugs, for me upgrading from FC11 to FC12 went comparatively smooth. Is F12 stable enough to warrant upgrading to it ? So far, I haven't had many issues. Actually to me, current FC12 appears more stable than last week's FC11 before upgrading. Of course, YMMV. Is it a worthwhile upgrade at this point ? I would say so, yes, it is worth it. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?
On 11/03/2009 08:38 AM, Jatin K wrote: Dear all I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? Depends on what you plan to use this notebook for. is there any significant benefit if I use 64bit version ? In theory, there are benefits to use the 64bit version. In practice, these benefits (esp. on a "desktop notebook") are hardly measurable and can easily be outweighed by other factors attached to 64bit. So, my answer to your question: Provided how you ask, you likely don't have real uses for 64bit. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/31/2009 05:35 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 03:52 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Not so. Plugins and extensions don't run in a sandbox in current versions of FF. Future versions will be different. You don't have to have a sandbox for this. All that would be required is a bit of more or less sophisticated error handling/signal catching. A semantic quibble. No. Error handling is a matter of a program's fundamental design. Unfortunately it's a subject many programmers don't take into account. The point is that the architecture has to be designed to deal with arbitrary behaviour on the part of plugins or extensions and currently it isn't. May-be, I am not familiar with firefox's source-code. Anyway, to me this reads as "firefox" suffers from substantial fundamental design flaws :( Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 07:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/30/2009 06:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 16:38 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. The standard response to FF problems is "have you tried running it in safe-mode"? I'm surprised no-one has said it so far. Many problems are actually caused by plugins rather than FF itself. True - nevertheless, if a plugin is able to tear down firefox, firefox itself is broken, too. Not so. Plugins and extensions don't run in a sandbox in current versions of FF. Future versions will be different. You don't have to have a sandbox for this. All that would be required is a bit of more or less sophisticated error handling/signal catching. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 06:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 16:38 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. The standard response to FF problems is "have you tried running it in safe-mode"? I'm surprised no-one has said it so far. Many problems are actually caused by plugins rather than FF itself. True - nevertheless, if a plugin is able to tear down firefox, firefox itself is broken, too. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 05:20 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Aaron Konstam on 10/30/2009 09:17 AM wrote: I am getting and Assert error when I do the above. You need to restart Firefox. P.S. This thread is closed. ;) You mean, works for you ;) Here is a back trace of a segfault which just happend to me: #0 0x00318900edab in raise () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 Missing separate debuginfos, use: debuginfo-install firefox-3.5.4-1.fc11.x86_64 (gdb) where #0 0x00318900edab in raise () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 #1 0x7f0def88 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #2 #3 0x in ?? () #4 0x7f0def43044b in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #5 0x7f0def4365d1 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #6 0x7f0def436c84 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #7 0x7f0def43b0b4 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #8 0x7f0def43b424 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #9 0x7f0def3bbecc in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #10 0x7f0def3bc098 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #11 0x7f0def3bbecc in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #12 0x7f0def3ce256 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #13 0x7f0def3d6006 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #14 0x7f0def664023 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #15 0x7f0def6646e7 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #16 0x7f0def664cb5 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #17 0x7f0def66019d in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #18 0x7f0defa15fed in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #19 0x7f0defa1f7c7 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #20 0x7f0defa1fbc8 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #21 0x003069349b63 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #22 0x003066e0b81e in g_closure_invoke () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #23 0x003066e20b43 in ?? () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #24 0x003066e21d6c in g_signal_emit_valist () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #25 0x003066e22423 in g_signal_emit () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #26 0x00306946739f in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #27 0x003069341f3c in gtk_main_do_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #28 0x003068638052 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #29 0x003068638971 in gdk_window_process_all_updates () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #30 0x003068638999 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #31 0x00306861c906 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #32 0x003066a3790e in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #33 0x003066a3b0e8 in ?? () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #34 0x003066a3b20a in g_main_context_iteration () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #35 0x7f0defa36a83 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #36 0x7f0defa36b8f in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #37 0x7f0defaf1af2 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #38 0x7f0defac3187 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #39 0x7f0defa36ccd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #40 0x7f0def8e1f64 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #41 0x7f0def21c4b4 in XRE_main () from /usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so #42 0x00402616 in mmap () #43 0x00318841ea2d in __libc_start_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #44 0x00401e29 in mmap () #45 0x7fff4277a348 in ?? () ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #46 0x001c in ?? () #47 0x0001 in ?? () #48 0x7fff4277b2d6 in ?? () #49 0x in ?? () Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 04:25 PM, Antonio M wrote: 2009/10/30 Ralf Corsepius: On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select "Search Google for "word"... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox "desktop freeze" since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( It works fine here, Well I can reproduce the segfaults semi-deterministically: http://www.paulmccartney.com Firefox-3.5.4 either immediately dies, or dies after a little bit of browsing. also with Thunderbird running in the background... I am observing * corrupt indices and "random email tagging". * "compact folders" not wanting to traverse deep imap folders. * filtering issues Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox 3.5.4 broken?
On 10/30/2009 12:26 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: 1. Highlight a word on a web page. 2. Right click on word. 3. Select "Search Google for "word"... 4. ??? 5. Crash box appears. Anyone else? I am not observing this issue, but I already had 2 firefox segfaults and one firefox "desktop freeze" since today's firefox update. Seems to me as if firefox is try to play catchup with the embarrassing shape thunderbird is in :( Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How does one remove the nvidia driver and install nouveau ?
On 10/23/2009 04:29 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 16:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Run nvidia-config-display disable and reboot It didn't work. $ lsmod | grep vid nvidia 9579020 40 video 18744 0 uvcvideo 50572 0 videodev 29612 1 uvcvideo i2c_core 25024 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 v4l1_compat12048 2 uvcvideo,videodev output 2476 1 video $ lsmod | grep nouveau I think, I misunderstood your remark. Unlike the nvidia driver, the nouveau driver doesn't have a kernel module. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How does one remove the nvidia driver and install nouveau ?
On 10/23/2009 04:29 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 16:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Run nvidia-config-display disable and reboot It didn't work. $ lsmod | grep vid nvidia 9579020 40 video 18744 0 uvcvideo 50572 0 videodev 29612 1 uvcvideo i2c_core 25024 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 v4l1_compat12048 2 uvcvideo,videodev output 2476 1 video $ lsmod | grep nouveau yum install x Now what do I do ? I was running akmod, I am using the rpmfusion packages. which presumably builds an nvidia kernel module. Do those modules get loaded automatically ? If so, how does one remove an akmod build kernel module ? Ie how does one do a 'make uninstall' for an akmod module ? Sounds as if your installion is somehow broken. What actually is broken is hard to tell. Normally you can have the xorg-x11-drv-nouveau package and rpmfusion's nvidia drivers installed in parallel and switch between both drivers. May-be you need to run system-config-display? Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How does one remove the nvidia driver and install nouveau ?
On 10/23/2009 04:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 08:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Run 'livna-config-display --active off' to prevent the starutp script from modifying xorg.conf. Then edit xorg.conf and change the driver from 'nvidia' to 'nouveau'. The reboot. I think that'll do it. It didn't. I did this and rebooted and nvidia still runs. What else do I need to do ? Run nvidia-config-display disable and reboot To turn it on again: nvidia-config-display enable and reboot Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rpmfusion?
On 10/06/2009 12:07 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 12:04 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/06/2009 11:37 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: What has happened to rpmfusion? Its web site and download site seem to be gone. Same for me. I guess on a serious dns problem somewhere. Ralf I can access the site, but not the repos. Maybe this should be reported somewhere? Well, I can access "a site" as "www.rpmfusion.org", but whether it's real "rpmfusion.org", I can't tell. NSlookups for other subdomains for rpmfusion.org fail: # nslookup mirrors.rpmfusion.org Server: 127.0.0.1 Address:127.0.0.1#53 ** server can't find mirrors.rpmfusion.org: NXDOMAIN # nslookup download1.rpmfusion.org Server: 127.0.0.1 Address:127.0.0.1#53 ** server can't find download1.rpmfusion.org: NXDOMAIN # nslookup www.rpmfusion.org Server: 127.0.0.1 Address:127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.rpmfusion.org Address: 195.10.6.129 # nslookup 195.10.6.129 Server: 127.0.0.1 Address:127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: 129.6.10.195.in-addr.arpa name = se01.es.rpmfusion.net. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Rpmfusion?
On 10/06/2009 11:37 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: What has happened to rpmfusion? Its web site and download site seem to be gone. Same for me. I guess on a serious dns problem somewhere. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone out there still using NIS?
On 09/26/2009 08:48 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i'm putting together a tutorial on network services, and i'm really uninterested in investing any time in covering NIS. anyone out there still using it? is it worth it? Yes to both. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release
On 07/26/2009 02:37 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009, Alan Cox wrote: "all of my system has a wrong openssl version" all these symptoms sound like your upgrade went horribly wrong. I've seen preupgrade mash up a box by half upgrading like that. It's the main reason I don't think preupgrade is actually safe to use yet. Preupgrade's process is to depsolve - using the same method anaconda does, download the pkgs it solves out. Put them in a cachedir. Download a kernel and an initrd, Setup a ks.cfg. then reboot the machine and allow anaconda to do the install. Specific issues we've had with preupgrade are related to not being able to find a mirror and/or not being able to get pkgs. Mine were * preupgrade running out of diskspace on / when trying to fill /var/cache/yum (my "/"'s tend to be minimized/small) * anaconda failing during reboots due not being able to process fstab correctly (FC11's anaconda misparses fstab and is unable able to process bind-mounts nor nfs-mounts). * anaconda's depsolving failed when upgrading an FC10 + FC10-updates system due to NEVR issues. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: yum runs out of mirrors to try when updating
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 06:42 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote: I did a yum update on a fresh F11 install (i386) and yum can't find some packages. Does anyone know what's going on? Not yet but I filed bug 510959 about the problem, which persists. I don't now the cause, but the problem is obvious: The i386-updates repos are broken and none of the people in charge has been able to fix this. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Are there Fedora people using Thunderbird 3Beta2?
Steven W. Orr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to get a sense of how stable (or unstable) it is. Very unstable. Has it crashed? Yes, many times. c.f. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507524 Have you lost data? Seems so, but ... due to the nature of the problem, verifying to have lost email is pretty difficult. Any problems? Many. Besides hard crashes, I am observing it filters filtering mails incorrectly, "tag"s popping up at random and imap-folder counts being incorrect. One problem with my problems: Isolating the actual origin of my issues. These may easily not be directly be "bugs in thunderbird", but be side-effects of other issues ... Core dumps however are always bugs of the program dumping core. Is it wonderful? Well, IMHO, this thunderbird was made part of Fedora prematurely. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS4 home mounts owned by nfsnobody
On 06/24/2009 06:10 AM, Braden McDaniel wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 10:13 +0100, John Austin wrote: I had the same problem (F11) The cure for me was to ensure that the name of the local machine (naxos) is available to "mount" Putting the name in /etc/hosts on naxos does the job naxos ~ 2# cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4 naxos ::1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6 localhost6.localdomain6 It is not good enough that hostname is set Are you quite certain that's what did it for you? This doesn't appear to be working for me. :-/ Check the "hosts:" entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf I found FC11's default /etc/nsswitch.conf not to be suitable for me and had to tweak it. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone got F11 NIS working?
Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:42:39 +0100 John Austin wrote: Only thing that looks different is that I have the IP address and not the name in yp.conf Yea, I think the IP is important. I believe NIS gets started before DNS. Not for me. More general, NIS-clients (that's what we are talking about) without functional dns underneath doesn't make much sense at all. An entry for that name in /etc/hosts should also work. I don't have such. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone got F11 NIS working?
Tom Horsley wrote: I installed some fedora 11 virtual machines at work today, and tried to configure them to use NIS logins, and the ypbind service always times out when it tries to start. > All the config files I can think of to look at are identical on my F10 vms and F11 vms, but NIS just don't work on F11 (for me :-). Anyone installed F11 and gotten NIS to work? Sort of ... Initially, I was facing similar issues as you. Adding domain broadcast to /etc/yp.conf finally got NIS going again. With FC < 11, this had not been required. > Both selinux and firewall are disabled on these machines, so > they shouldn't be the source of the problem. NetworkManager? I haven't systematically tested my setup with NM, but I have been observing several NIS breaksdowns related to NM, SELinux and gdm interacting. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/29/2009 09:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? There used to be an Eeedora, but it is outdated (based on Fedora 8 which is no longer supported and only targeting the original EeePC 701). The stock Fedora should just work out of the box. May-be on ASUS netbooks. For MSI-based netbooks (MSI-Wind, Medion E121x etc.), I would have to lie to recommend Fedora. The conversation wasn't really about MSI based notebooks The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu. My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies. If you really want Linux, don't restrict yourselves to Fedora and Ubuntu, but also try other distros. As far as I am concerned, Fedora did not convince me on my netbook (A Medion E1210) and would expect them to also hit users on EeePCs, due to the similarity of the HW. but what problems are there and have they been reported? Most of them are of general nature. In decreasing severity: 1) No usable WLAN driver. 2) New in F11: Various very hard to identify/isolate issues related to dbus, acpi, etc. 3) Many issues related to low-level, near-HW-SW (intel-X11, touchpad (disabled by default in F11, ...), sound (alsa/pulseaudio), networking (NetworkManager)) 4) Most desktop applications are not designed for usage on small displays. 5) Fedora's standard (gnome) desktop is _fat_ and bloated. Fact is, I am still searching for a usable Linux distro, but haven't found any. I.e. for the first time in more than 15 years, I have not be been able to avoid to resorting to using Windows for "serious usage". Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu?
Kevin Kofler wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? There used to be an Eeedora, but it is outdated (based on Fedora 8 which is no longer supported and only targeting the original EeePC 701). The stock Fedora should just work out of the box. May-be on ASUS netbooks. For MSI-based netbooks (MSI-Wind, Medion E121x etc.), I would have to lie to recommend Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?
Simon Wesp wrote: This problem is like the duplicated zlib problematic for rsync and zsync. No, it isn't. Is a modified zlib a duplicate of zlib? Or is it is own fork? The latter. Or whatever? It's bad design. A package which hacks around into commonly accepted and widely used system libraries is simply hacking around. A proper design would "use zlib" without modifications, like many other applications do, or to ask zlib's upstream to adopt the changes. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 fail because of Anaconda :(
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Anaconda had a lot of problens until very recently if you were doing custom layouts. I think 11.5.0.47 was the first usable version This is the version which failed for me (from F11-Preview) ;) Excerpt from one of my tracebacks: anaconda 11.5.0.47 exception report Traceback (most recent call first): File "/usr/lib/anaconda/iw/partition_gui.py", line 917, in populate devname = "%s" % device.path File "/usr/lib/anaconda/iw/partition_gui.py", line 1339, in getScreen self.populate(initial = 1) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", line 1414, in setScreen new_screen = self.currentWindow.getScreen(anaconda) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", line 1331, in nextClicked self.setScreen () AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'path' Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 fail because of Anaconda :(
Valent Turkovic wrote: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-11-fail-because-of-anaconda/ I wrote a blog post regarding issues I have with Fedora 11 anaconda installer. How is your experience using Fedora anaconda installer with Fedora 11 beta and preview releases? Pretty much the same as yours - I tried to install F11-Preview on a free in parallel to FC10, on a emtpy lvm volume and was facing installer exceptions. I resorted to copying the F10 installation to the lvm volume and to "yum upgrade" it to rawhide. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
WLAN on MSI Wind netbook?
Hi, has anybody managed to get WLAN (RaLink RT2860) working on an MSI Wind or one of its clones (e.g. Medion E1210, Medion E1212)? If so, how? All of my attempts so far have failed (Fedora 10, NetworkManager, rpmfusion's kmod-rt2860). Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 evolution hangs on imap after a few hours
Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 17:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:58:30 -0700 Craig White wrote: Anyone else seeing this from evolution-2.24.5-1.fc10.i386 - after an hour or two on imap connection, I click on a message and the screen simply says 'Formatting message' but never goes further and even closing Evolution seems to be hung (it does a purge of all deleted messages per settings but never actually quits until I force it). Not that specific behaviour, but evolution is pretty much impossible to leave running regardless of which kind of mail connection you use. Something somewhere starts leaking like a sieve and it consumes all resources on the system. I gave up on evolution and started using claws-mail - it is vastly more reliable. I've been using evolution for many, many years and it has its bad versions, its very bad versions and some versions work pretty well. I share this history, but ... I experienced the evolution in FC10 to be amongst the worst and unstable versions of evolution ever ;) My conclusion: I stopped using evolution and switched to using thunderbird. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Perl modules <---> Fedora RPMs (Test::More)
Stanisław T. Findeisen wrote: How can I know which RPM in Fedora release contains which Perl modules? In particular I want to install Test::More, but don't know where to look for that. :-/ repoquery --whatprovides 'perl(Test::More)' and yum install 'perl(Test::More)' are your friends. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Error Message trying to ./configure
Jim wrote: Joachim Backes wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:41:42 -0200, Martín wrote: /usr/include/uuid.h# Belongs to uuid-devel /usr/include/uuid/uuid.h # Belongs to e2fsprogs-devel , I installed e2fsprogs-devel and that satisfied the dependency, at /usr/include/uuid/uuid.h. So from my point of view his script should be pointing to /usr/include/uuid.h. Is that not correct ? Depends on what they are linking against. /usr/include/uuid.h is the API for /usr/lib/libossp-uuid.so while /usr/include/uuid/uuid.h is part of API for some libraries from e2fsprogs-devel Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: End of Saga WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
Mark Haney wrote: Charles Crayne wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:04:16 -0800 (PST) Leslie Satenstein wrote: With internet access the way it is, why not just do rolling updates? Sounds good, until the day when yum identifies 473 dependencies for the package you want to install. One of those other buggers I don't like about Fedora. A ridiculous number of dependencies that (to me, mind you) seem superfluous. You are in error. These deps aren't there for fun, but for technical necessity. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: installing perl modules on F10
Norman Gaywood wrote: Hi list, So whats the recommended way of installing perl modules in Fedora 10? What we have been doing in the past is to install a perl-* rpm via yum if one is available for the module we want. This is the preferred method. If the module is not available via rpm, we use "perl -MCPAN -e shell" to install modules. > However, on the systems we recently upgraded to Fedora 10 (from F8), the perl modules installed via CPAN are no longer in perl's @INC search path. Yes. site_perl has been changed in F10. So I guess we can go through and manually install those lost modules with CPAN again, Correct, in cases like this, you would have to 1.) uninstall all CPAN-built modules 2.) rebuild all CPAN-built modules but is there a better way? Well, the actual cause of your issues is both CPAN and rpm being conflicting installer systems, which don't harmonize well. I.e. for a clean solution providing a consistent setup one would have to restrict oneself to one of these and to avoid mixing them. That said, from a distribution's point of view, packaging perl-modules into rpms is the preferred solution, because this is supposed to assure a clean setup (modulo bugs) rsp. to raise prominent warnings/errors in case something changes. I.e. the preferred solution, in case somebody is missing a perl-*.rpm in Fedora, is this person to contribute such a corresponding rpm to Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum Updates Sequence
Rahul Tidke wrote: Hello, Is it necessary to follow the order/sequence while installing the updates on Fedora? Somewhat oversimplified: Yes. More precisely, there exist packages-dependencies and an implicit package-installation order packages must meet to be installed properly. I want to apply only selected updates from the available updates. Can I install updates in random order? Yes, you can. Yum is supposed to take care of it. "yum install " rsp. "yum update " are supposed to pull-in all required packages in correct order or to refuse and complain to install packages, in case some package dependencies can not be met. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question for our users
Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 03:23 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: No, I was referring to deploying Fedora in "office-like situation", i.e. to be used by "non-technical" people, who are using not much more than "text processor, spreadsheet, internet browser, email, scanner, printer, fax". For them, an OS and the SW they are using are supposed to "just work out of the box". They will throw away Fedora at the very moment, they'll be confronted with SELinux alerts or package-kits update alerts or when they experience the poor shape of certain key components in Fedora currently are in. Funny how NONE of them do the same when it comes to Windows Right, Windows has similar issues, ... nagging ordinary users with popups they are not supposed/not knowledgeable to process is a very questionable design. It's appropriate for "single-user/single-seat" "personal" setups, but not for "office"/"production" environment desktop and networked/centrally adminstrated installations. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question for our users
JD wrote: Hey Arthur! Relax man!!! I agree with Ralf. Fedora IS ALWAYS a Beta!!! Actually all software, even if labeled "RELEASE" is always a beta. Why do you think there are always updates and fixes and new versions? Pardon, that's not my point. I am not having much problems with seeing many updates/fixes, conversely I would expect a distributor to fix each and every bug/problem they get to know about, ASAP. My point is Fedora being shipped equipped with knowingly broken, immature and incomplete pieces of SW having been made key-components of the OS. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question for our users
Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:23:13 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: With each Fedora release something else "what used to work for years" is fundamentally messed up :( Which is, of course, the evidence that fedora is primarily a beta test platform Exactly what I wrote in my very first reply to this thread :) no matter how much anyone denies it. ... well, when Fedora started, likely due to its heritage from RHL it used to be an end-user distro. Meanwhile, as I feel, primarily due to RH's predemoninance in Fedora (SELinux, NM, PA, ATM: gnome), it has developed into a RH-centric beta-test plattfrom I Like the fact that it is a beta platform, mind you, I'm just not trying to fool myself :-). Right, otherwise, I (a developer) would have stopped using it. It's just that I would have to lie when recommending Fedora to end-users ;) Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question for our users
Claude Jones wrote: On Monday 19 January 2009 11:17:23 Ralf Corsepius wrote: "multimedia" (home-) users, "office"-desktop users, linux-newcomers or server-/multi-users should avoid Fedora. Well, let's see, I've got two instances of F10 sitting here beside me in my home, and they both can play any flavor of multi-media I throw at them Well, then you likely have packages from other sources but the Fedora Distro installed. Vanilla Fedora doesn't have support for many common multimedia dataformats and lacks tools which would be required for many common multimedia tasks (e.g. Video DVD authoring/editing). I have two F10 desktop usages in my office, and if you are referring to that "Office" which is a product from Redmond, I even have that running on one machine at work - use it all the time... No, I was referring to deploying Fedora in "office-like situation", i.e. to be used by "non-technical" people, who are using not much more than "text processor, spreadsheet, internet browser, email, scanner, printer, fax". For them, an OS and the SW they are using are supposed to "just work out of the box". They will throw away Fedora at the very moment, they'll be confronted with SELinux alerts or package-kits update alerts or when they experience the poor shape of certain key components in Fedora currently are in. Five and a half years ago, the very first distro I tried was FC1 - it was my first venture into the world of Linux - since then, I've loaded and used at least 30-40 other distributions, but I keep giving up on them and keep coming back to Fedora Well, ... Fedora is the "one-eyed king amongst the blind"? ;) I have one Fedora server at home, and one at work; they're not doing Enterprise level serving, but they're doing serious serving with a wide range of services; neither one has ever been down for more than a day, and that has been extremely seldom Congratulations, you must have been extremely lucky :-) I am using Fedora in a similar scenario, but my experience is different than yours. With each Fedora release something else "what used to work for years" is fundamentally messed up :( Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question for our users
Mike McGrath wrote: Hello Fedora Users! I was wondering if everyone wouldn't mind answering the following questions for me to the list. What is Fedora (the operating system)? A RH-centric, single-user/desktop Linux distro test-bed. Who uses Fedora? Developers, testers, "geeks". More general, people who prefer to stick with RH-flavors of Linux for one or more reasons. Who should use Fedora? * Developers/People who have developed a desire to tailor a Linux distro to meet their needs better. * People who are looking for an alternative to the OS they currently are using. * Developers in need to keep pace with the Linux "bleeding edge". "multimedia" (home-) users, "office"-desktop users, linux-newcomers or server-/multi-users should avoid Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 Installation: Unable use Add/remove packages or Yum
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: F-10 Repository: Fedora 10 - i386 Fedora 10 - Updates 1. Add/Remove Software: No results were found. Try entering a package name in the search bar. 2. Yum update Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Could not retrieve mirror list http://mirros.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10&arch=i386 error was [Errno 4] IOError: Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora, Please verify its path and try again. What do I need to do to fix this, please? You have a typo in the URL above: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10&arch=i386 would be correct (mirrors.fedoraproject.org instead of mirros.fedoraproject.org) Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10
Jeff Spaleta schrieb: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: I've been a hardware and software engineer for over 35 years. I've never subscribed to the "build no mechanism simply if a way can be found to make it complex and wonderful" mentality of many of my peers. Obscurity rarely leads to good things, and just because something's "new" doesn't necessarily make it better (is the /etc/event.d stuff any more efficient or flexible than /etc/inittab? I think not) Agreed. upstart is in the same class of issues as NM, the *Kits and other "novelties" certain people are keen to advertise as "revolutionary feature". I'm not going to argue with you. Part of the problem is we haven't had an organized server oriented interest group to step up and throw their weight around as a group during our development cycle. Another part of the problem is Fedora not having a functional "technical management". Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: more DNS problems (F10)
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 11:04 -0500, Jim wrote: > Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: > > Steven Stern wrote: > >> OK. I don't understand this: > >> > >> [sdst...@sds-desk ~]$ ping sstern.ccim.com > >> ping: unknown host sstern.ccim.com > >> > >> BUT > >> > >> [sdst...@sds-desk ~]$ nslookup sstern.ccim.com > >> Server:127.0.0.1 > >> Address:127.0.0.1#53 > >> > >> Non-authoritative answer: > >> Name:sstern.ccim.com > >> Address: 12.40.135.219 > >> > >> nslookup finds the right value, but ping reports unknown host. I > >> haven't changed any of my configuration files. > >> > > What is in your /etc/resolv.conf ? > > You could put localhost(127.0.0.1) as first entry in there. And maybe > > delete other nameserver entries as you have local dns-server. > > > > Greetings, > > Veli-Pekka > > > Heres the fix. > > http://www.fedorafaq.org/f10/#dns-slow That's not a fix, that's an last-resort escape applicable in some sub-set of cases. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 ypbind error
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 16:45 -0800, Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > Interesting. I wonder why it doesn't work for me with NetworkManager running. > We have an unusual network mask: 255.255.252.0 > The NIS server + backup are in xxx.xxx.194.xxx while the client is in > xxx.xxx.192.xxx. > Static IP. I use dhcp, using "quasi-static IPs" (fixed IP<->mac address mapping) on my dhcp server. > Other than that I didn't really do much to configure the machine. Wild guess: How does your /etc/yp.conf look like? Do you have NISDOMAIN set in /etc/sysconfig/network? On my machines, which are using NetworkMangler, /etc/yp.conf is the default yp.conf (== everything commented out == effectively empty), but NISDOMAIN is set in /etc/sysconfig/network I.e. my /etc/sysconfig/network looks similar to this: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= NISDOMAIN= Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 ypbind error
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 13:26 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 09:33 -0800, Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve > wrote: > > Does someone have a working Fedora 10 NIS client? > > Yes, several of them ;) > > Is NetworkManager running on them Yes, on 2 of them yes. > and NIS working? Yes, I am using nis-based passwds and nis-based autofs. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 ypbind error
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 09:33 -0800, Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve wrote: > > top of a google[ ypwhich: Can't communicate with ypbind ] > > > http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/802-3884/6i7ogkaot?a=view > > > > I think you are at the "NIS Service Is Unavailable" stage of the document... > > try the following, even if `/etc/init.d/ypbind status` returns a pid: > > ps aux | grep ypbind > > > > `/etc/init.d/ypbind status` may be reading a file from /var instead of > > checking for a physically running program. > > The ypbind process is running according to ps aux. Same process number as > reported by /etc/init.d/ypbind status. > > Does someone have a working Fedora 10 NIS client? Yes, several of them ;) Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 00:41 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 09:49 -0700, stan wrote: > >> Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > This is not what Fedora once was meat to be. > >> > >> Please, let's have some perspective here. Fedora becomes > >> what the people doing the work want Fedora to become. > > No, Fedora became what people made it. > > > > My impression is, Fedora once had been a nice "leading edge distro", > > now it's essentially a public testing ground, containing the "beyond > > bleeding edge". > > > Hmm. I guess this is where we disagree. You think that this is a bad > thing. I think it is not. Following your logic, based on your > assessment, Fedora has become what it is out of a sort of evolution. Agreed, but consider, evolution is a continuous process and we all are part of it. > I have no problem with this. I really don't mind it. I have. Fedora has reached a point of immaturity/lack of stability, I am having real problems in finding it suitable for my purposes, i.e. the basis of my motivation to participate in Fedora is gradually breaking away. > I actually quite like it. Well, my hope is, Fedora 10, like it's predecessors, will reach a "usable" shape several weeks/months after its initial releases. ATM, the sad truth is, I would have to lie when recommending Fedora 10 to anybody. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 09:49 -0700, stan wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > > This is not what Fedora once was meat to be. > > Please, let's have some perspective here. Fedora becomes > what the people doing the work want Fedora to become. No, Fedora became what people made it. My impression is, Fedora once had been a nice "leading edge distro", now it's essentially a public testing ground, containing the "beyond bleeding edge". > And > the users of Fedora know what Fedora is meant to be because > they use it every day. I am using Fedora every day, ever since Fedora exists. > What you and others are actually saying is you want Fedora > to be something other than it is, Wrong, I want Fedora to get back on track, to where it once used to be: A distro, which was suitable for everyday end-user use and not one, in which many key component packages are simply "too immature". > but you don't want to do > the work to get it there. In other words, you want to > direct the work of those who do the work. Hey, you have a > great future in management waiting for you. :-) Pardon, but you probably can relate why I find your tone offensive. > Now, it is good that you care enough about Fedora to offer > suggestions, but if you don't help implement those > suggestions you shouldn't be offended or angry if they > aren't followed. What do you want me to do? To get involved into SELinux, NetworkManager, PulseAudio, gnome-session, evolution, ... just to mention a few of the packages which I consider to be prematurely integrated into Fedora? Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:08 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> because it gives me a chance > >> to try to bust the NUMBER ONE MYTH about Fedora -- that Fedora is "just > >> a beta for RHEL" > > > > Well, I suppose he can try to bust the myth all he wants, but > > available evidence consistently indicates that Fedora is where > > things get beta tested before they appear in redhat. That's > > why it is OK that NetworkManager isn't backwards compatible > > and doesn't properly support wildly uncommon configurations > > like "static IP" :-). That's why it is OK that gdm isn't backwards > > compatible and doesn't support wildly uncommon things like > > saving your session state. That's why Fedora users got to find > > all the fun problems with SELINUX before they dumped it on > > paying customers who might have reacted with torches and > > pitchforks. > > > > I like having a beta release of redhat - it gives me a place to > > test my software to find out what is gonna break in a future > > redhat release, that's why I run fedora, but please don't ever > > try to convince me fedora isn't primarily a beta for redhat, > > there are just too many facts standing in the way. > > > All the evidence you have stated points to Fedora being a ground zero > for ALOT of software development in Linux. => I.e. Fedora is not the bleeding edge, but "beyond bleeding edge". This is not what Fedora once was meat to be. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HELP (RPM - what package a file is from)
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 09:06 +, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 27 November 2008 05:10:50 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:00 -0700, Reg Clemens wrote: > > > I posted this question several hours ago, but it has never shown up on > > > the list,- here we go again... > > > > > > How do I find out what RPM package a given file is from? > > > > rpm -qf > > > > > I know I knew how to do this at one time, but Ive reread the RPM > > > MAN page 3 times and I cant find the right magic. > > > > Look again ;) > > > > > In particular, I would like to know what package > > > > > > /usr/bin/htmlview > > > > rpm -qf /usr/bin/htmlview > > > > will tell you. > > > > Ralf > > One of the truly maddening things is the way differences occur in supposedly > related distros. Actually, the situation is quite simple. Like with many other programs/packages, different distros use different variants of rpm and have different different modifications applied. Sometimes, they even use different code bases (aka. forks), such as in case of SuSE's, Mandriva's and RH/Fedora's rpm. However, hardly any of these differences are visible to "normal users" on the rpm CLI. > Take a look at rpm options. Some time back I was told 'Just > type "rpm" and you'll see the options. 'rpm --whatprovides > packagename' is the obvious choice - but it doesn't tell > you what you need to know. Try 'rpm --provides' - that used to work > in fedora, but it doesn't now. Well, --whatprovides and --provides haven't changed for ages, so I don't understand what you are asking. > What about 'rpm --redhatprovides' - that works in > mandriva but not in fedora - or does it? No, it doesn't work on Fedora, because Mandriva uses a completely different version of rpm than Fedora does. IIRC, --redhatprovides had been abandoned in RH's/Fedora's rpm a long time ago, because it's hardly applicable to dynamically evolving distros such as Fedora. No idea, why Mandriva has kept it. > All I've seen in my experiments is > 'no package provides packagename' but that could be because they are stand- > alone packages. > > How is anyone supposed to find their way through this maze? Well, like you'd do with any other program :) 1. consult a program's man-pages (man ) 2. consult a program's "help" GNU standard compliant programs issue it with " --help". Others support " -h", " -H" or " -?" 3. consult a program's "usage" Most programs issue it when being invoked with invalid arguments. In most cases, identical to what a program issues in its "help". 4. look into /usr/share/doc/ 5. dig the net. Finally, in case it isn't obvious, while reading documentation, one should try to develop (at least) a basic understanding how a program works. Without this, understanding a complex low-level tool's CLI, such as rpm, is hardly possible. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HELP (RPM - what package a file is from)
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:00 -0700, Reg Clemens wrote: > I posted this question several hours ago, but it has never shown up on > the list,- here we go again... > > How do I find out what RPM package a given file is from? rpm -qf > I know I knew how to do this at one time, but Ive reread the RPM > MAN page 3 times and I cant find the right magic. Look again ;) > In particular, I would like to know what package > > /usr/bin/htmlview rpm -qf /usr/bin/htmlview will tell you. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ubuntu Ibex offers choice of KDE4.1.2 or KDE3.5.10...
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 12:45 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote: > > > Subject says it all. Fedora developers tell us that they can't give us > > a choice of KDE version > > and yet Ubuntu is doing it. > > and good for Ubuntu! They also have my pity for trying to support the mess > it creates. http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/10/17/right-call-on-kde-3x-for-opensuse-111/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PackageKit in rawhide
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 20:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > Try Add/Remove software and try to install them. > > > > I can deterministically reproduce this breakdown. Shall I video tape it, > > if you don't want to believe me? A Video has been taped (unfortunately of very low quality). *.avi available on request. > Did I say, I did not believe you? I am just saying I can't reproduce the > problem and I just did a installation of a package install to confirm > that it works fine and it did. > > So it might be something to do with the configuration of repositories in > your system or we have different versions. You might want to post to > packagekit list with more details. > > # rpm -qa | grep -i packagekit > > PackageKit-yum-plugin-0.3.9-1.fc10.i386 > PackageKit-glib-0.3.9-1.fc10.i386 > PackageKit-yum-0.3.9-1.fc10.i386 > gnome-packagekit-0.3.9-4.fc10.i386 > PackageKit-udev-helper-0.3.9-1.fc10.i386 > PackageKit-0.3.9-1.fc10.i386 Identical to what I have, except that I also have PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.3.9-1.fc10.i386 installed. > # yum repolist > Loaded plugins: list-data, refresh-packagekit > repo id repo namestatus > livna-development Livna for Fedora Core 9.92 - i386 - Deve enabled : > 56 > rawhide Fedora - Rawhide - Developmental package enabled : > 11,415 > rpmfusion-free-rawhi RPM Fusion for Fedora 9.92 - Free - Rawh enabled : > 409 > rpmfusion-nonfree-ra RPM Fusion for Fedora 9.92 - Non-Free - enabled : > 153 > repolist: 12,033 # repo id repo namestatus rawhide Fedora - Rawhide - Developmental package enabled : 11,414 rpmfusion-free-rawhi RPM Fusion for Fedora 9.92 - Free - Rawh enabled : 409 rpmfusion-nonfree-ra RPM Fusion for Fedora 9.92 - Non-Free - enabled : 153 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Which one is better Ubuntu Or Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:20 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:45:18 -0700 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Makhlin) wrote: > > Both distros have live media. Why don't you download them and try out > > each and decide for yourself which one you like? > Good advice. Yep. > I was installing Linux for a friend, and figured I'd give them Ubuntu > as I it would hopefully be easier for them than Fedora. Tried the > LiveCD, kept freezing up (requiring hard restarts). Did an install > figuring I just needed to update to a new kernel, pre and post full > system update, still kept hard freezing. So I went back to old > faithful Fedora. This doesn't mean much. It can be an arbitrary small detail (E.g. a kernel or a packaging bug on a DVD), which may spoil everything in a particular scenario, esp. on a machine, which never has seen Linux before. I recently tried to install Fedora 9 on a brand new machine and ended up as you did with Ubuntu. Any attempts to install FC9 failed in very early stages of installing. I resorted to trying FC10-Beta2, which at least enabled me to boot and to install. Now, I am experiencing the "fun" of rawhide ;) If I were consequent, I would now give Ubuntu or openSUSE a try :) Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Which one is better Ubuntu Or Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 19:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 18:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 05:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>>> I would like bugzilla.redhat.com to know what is consider deficient in > >>>> the latest packagekit. > >>> In current Fedora 9.92/rawhide, it's completely busted: > >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467976 > >> Discussion was about Fedora 9 however and no, it is not "completely > >> busted" as I have yet to see that problem on rawhide that I have been > >> running for months now. > > Enable rpmfusion, if you want to see this breakdown. > > I have rpmfusion - both the development repos enabled already. I just > don't see it. Try Add/Remove software and try to install them. I can deterministically reproduce this breakdown. Shall I video tape it, if you don't want to believe me? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Which one is better Ubuntu Or Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 18:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 05:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> I would like bugzilla.redhat.com to know what is consider deficient in > >> the latest packagekit. > > > > In current Fedora 9.92/rawhide, it's completely busted: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467976 > > Discussion was about Fedora 9 however and no, it is not "completely > busted" as I have yet to see that problem on rawhide that I have been > running for months now. Enable rpmfusion, if you want to see this breakdown. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Which one is better Ubuntu Or Fedora 9
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 05:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I would like bugzilla.redhat.com to know what is consider deficient in > the latest packagekit. In current Fedora 9.92/rawhide, it's completely busted: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467976 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are your unsatisfied NetworkManager use cases?
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:23 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > Many people seem to have different issues with NetworkManager. I would > like to attempt to assist with the progress of NetworkManager by > collecting use cases which it does not cover at all or properly. > > So please reply with a use case that you have that is not covered, I > will attempt to collect clarify and log them on the wiki (just > reactivated my account). Lack of support for networking profiles. With networking scripts it had been possible to specify a kernel boot parameter to switch between different network setups. I haven't been able to get this working with NM. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nvidia Drivers for Fedora 9
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 23:30 +1100, Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: > 2008/10/5 Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 10/04/2008 10:58 AM, Alex Makhlin wrote: > So Suse / OpenSuse has no 3rd party repo's Certainly, they have. > for things like nvidia, see http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA > non-free ( e.g. MPEG, etc ) packages ? e.g. http://packman.links2linux.org Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 17:37 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > SVN's major "con" is it being comparatively generous on local > > diskspace and it polluting a checked out source trees with huge > > amount of VCS-metadata files (git, mercurial do so as well). > > Git and mercurial both keep their files in one top-level dir, e.g. > .git or .hg. Try a recursive grep in a checked-out source tree (grep -R .) This was easily applicable with CVS/RCS, but is hardly applicable with SVN, Git or mercurial - Certainly, this is nothing serious, nevertheless it's "nagging to loose a once applicable habit" > This doesn't count as "polluting the tree" in my mind. > It's certainly not as annoying as the "CVS" dirs that CVS puts all > over my tree. Does the name of the directory matter? Does the fact that CVS doesn't hide its directories make a difference? > Sure, the disk space is higher for a git clone than for a CVS > checkout, but with git you are getting the entire history of the > project instead of just one working copy as you do with CVS (or > Subversion) Well this doesn't scale well on big source trees (e.g. Fedora's) or one with a long history (e.g. GCC's). Just one figure: An SVN checkout (from GCC) # du -s -b gcc-4_3-branch 832684026 gcc-4_3-branch Size of an uncompressed tarball containing approximately the same sources (~ size of a hypothetical CVS checkout) # du -s -b gcc-4.3.2 369871768 gcc-4.3.2 Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 06:48 -0400, Thomas Thurman wrote: > 2008/9/30 Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 05:46 -0400, Thomas Thurman wrote: > >> 2008/9/30 Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > * CVS (and RCS) archives can be converted/exported to almost all other > >> > VCS if required. > >> > >> Are CVS and RCS archives equivalent? > > IIRC, widely. However I have to admit, my last encounter with RCS dates > > back to more than a decade, so ... ;) > > Which is why I was wondering why you were recommending it over CVS, you see. > > >> I think you misunderstand bzr. Bzr is a generic distributed VCS, > >> roughly equivalent to git. > > > > Well, my point is "lack of a userbase", "availability of clients on > > different platforms", "integration in IDEs", "VCS providers offering it" > > So far, I have never tripped over a major project which is actively > > using bzr nor have I ever met a user using it :) > > You might not be a fan of MySQL or Ubuntu, but I don't really see how > they qualify as not being major. OK, I wasn't aware about them using bzr ;) OTOH, GCC is using SVN, openSUSE seems to be using SVN, Debian seems to be using Git. > As for "availability of clients on different platforms": one > particular case I've run into was a company I worked at recently where > they decided to go for bzr over git. So far, git hasn't convinced me, either ;) > When I started I asked what > their rationale had been, and they told me it was because some of > their developers ran *nix and some ran Windows. They found at the > time that bzr had better cross-platform support (possibly because of > being written in an interpreted language). Perhaps CVS is even more > widely ported, though, merely by virtue of being older. CVS support can be found in almost all IDEs and also is available for most OSes. > > Or differently: Don't underestimate the "familiarity factor" when > > launching a new archive. > Very true. This is occasionally a very good reason to stick with svn > (or even CVS, although svn is practically a drop-in replacement for > CVS and solves many of its infelicities). Well, at least to me, GCC having switched to SVN (some years back) had caused massive drawbacks on my work on GCC. So I would not agree to "SVN being a drop-in replacement for CVS". It has very similar features, but the CLI is entirely different. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 20:38 +1000, Damian S wrote: > > There is no "better". There is "different". > Exactly. > I happily use SVN on my projects which only I commit to. Although I am > the only committer, this code needs to be pushed out to multiple > machines, both public and private. > I'll still use SVN if I get several other collaborators, but once there > are more than 3 or 4 people committing, I'll move to git which uses a > superior model for large numbers of committers. 3 or 4 people are not many, it's "sightly above 1" :) It's an amount of users any VCS should be able to handle. > FWIW, SVN was not designed to be the 'best'. > It was meant to be a better CVS than CVS, and in that goal, succeeded. A matter of perspective. >From my point of view, on the client side, the only real advantage that SVN has over CVS is it allowing renaming files and it being less demanding on very low bandwidth or very poor connections to the server. SVN's major "con" is it being comparatively generous on local diskspace and it polluting a checked out source trees with huge amount of VCS-metadata files (git, mercurial do so as well). Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 05:46 -0400, Thomas Thurman wrote: > 2008/9/30 Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > * CVS (and RCS) archives can be converted/exported to almost all other > > VCS if required. > > Are CVS and RCS archives equivalent? IIRC, widely. However I have to admit, my last encounter with RCS dates back to more than a decade, so ... ;) > > The point which has never let appear bzr attractive to me is it being an > > exotic niche => Likely fine for local use, but I would not consider it > > as basis for a larger project. > > I think you misunderstand bzr. Bzr is a generic distributed VCS, > roughly equivalent to git. Well, my point is "lack of a userbase", "availability of clients on different platforms", "integration in IDEs", "VCS providers offering it" So far, I have never tripped over a major project which is actively using bzr nor have I ever met a user using it :) Or differently: Don't underestimate the "familiarity factor" when launching a new archive. More generally speaking, I'd claim, nowadays, * older projects with a long history tend to use CVS (with a strong tendency to switch to SVN), * most projects dating back several years use SVN, * many newer (often Linux focused) projects use git. * mercurial is on the loose * bzr never made it out of its niche The big question however is: What are the OP's use-cases. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Git vs. Subversion. Which one?
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 04:32 -0400, Thomas Thurman wrote: > 2008/9/30 Nifty Fedora Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 09:30:39PM -0300, Armin Moradi wrote: > >>So I wanted to know about the public opinions on which one is better, > > > > Read about Mecurial and RCS. > > > > This is a BIG topic and you need to disclose the size of the > > team and their preferences. > > > > If it is just you use RCS. > > Out of interest, why do you recommend RCS over, say, svn or git or bzr > for a personal project? I for one am still favoring CVS for several reasons: * I am used to using it for a very long time and am familiar with it. * CVS (and RCS) archives can be converted/exported to almost all other VCS if required. * CVS (and RCS) have proven their longevity. Their bugs and deficiencies are widely know and understood. This does not necessarily apply to most VCSes. * I don't need a distributed VCS. * CVS clients are widely available, many (most) users are least to some extend familiar with it. If I was new to VCS's, I'd set up a local testbed of typical use cases and evaluate the candidates. My personal candidates would be CVS, SVN, git and mercurial. All have pros and cons. None of them meets everybody's preferences and use-cases. > I've been using bzr for a while for one-off > projects (which never need pushing to other machines than the one I'm > working on) and it works fine without ever using the distributed-ness. The point which has never let appear bzr attractive to me is it being an exotic niche => Likely fine for local use, but I would not consider it as basis for a larger project. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: new isos?
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 19:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Frode Petersen wrote: > > I can't remember having seen them mentioned in the info about the > > ongoing repackaging, so just to get it confirmed: Will the isos also be > > repackaged with new keys (inside the image, if relevant, and for the > > download)? > > No. This was mentioned in one of the announcements. => Anybody installing Fedora from iso will have the "seemingly compromised gpg key" installed in his rpm-database. => There will be a time-window during which such systems will be receptive to compromised packages. This window could have been avoided by using a new gpg-key. Of cause, this actually does change much, because if the gpg-key should have been compromised, all existing installations of FC8/9 currently are receptive to such compromised packages. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora on old hardware?
On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 22:40 -0400, fred smith wrote: > On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 07:35:29PM -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote: > > I have an old laptop (AMD K6 400MHz) that refuses to install Fedora 8. Did you try F9? I recall some older Fedoras' installers had been broken on i586's (but I don't recall which Fedora this had been :) ). > > I've tried Live KDE CD - that failed to boot because it's for i686 only. > > At least it says the CPU is incompatible... > > I've also tried the i386 DVD - it fails around the beginning of the > > install process with a generic message that something went wrong - and > > doesn't install. > > Is this something that happens a lot? > > > > Knoppix 5.11 live CD booted up just fine (although really slow :) > > Going to try latest Ubuntu now... > > A K6 (or K6-II) is a pentium (P5) class processor, not a P6 (i686) class > processor. Many distributions have dropped support for processors older > than 686-class. I suspect Fedora is one of them, though I don't know > with certainty. Once it is installed, Fedora runs well on Intel P5s - At least on my old Intel P5. However, this doesn't mean much wrt. K6s. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Secrecy and user trust
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 17:27 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: > On 02/09/2008, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If there is a known date before which packages can be trusted, that > > should be said. Users who lag the cutting edge will be reassured. People > > won't have to be checking security logs for a decade if the problem is > > more recent. People on distributions older than FC8 which are not > > maintained should be told if the problem goes back that far. > > The infrastructure is up and running. FC-10/rawhides's infrastructure seems up and running. FC-9 and FC-8's cvs and buildsys are up again, but no pushes are happening. In a nutshell, this means FC-8/F-9's infrastructure is effectively down. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The Scope and Ownership of fedora-list
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 10:38 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:47 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > > [...] > > >> I agree heartily. I suggest that the non-technical/political aspects > >> be reserved for another group, like Fedora-Advocacy or sth similar. > > You don't want to lean about your distro's heritage, backgrounds, > > objectives and the consequences of these? > > > > You want to keep you head in the sand - Ostrich policy? > > I don't need to learn.I first encountered Richard Stallman > in 1986, and we exchanged several e-mails about his ideas > at the time. Then you're better off not using open source software and to quit using Linux. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The Scope and Ownership of fedora-list
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:47 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Anders Karlsson wrote: > > * Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080826 21:36]: > >> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 14:39 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 07:13 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>>> (Remember: Using Linux also is a political statement) > >>> Maybe. Maybe not. > >> Well, to newcomer, it's likely not an obvious political statement, to > >> Linux veterans supporting Linux rsp. one of it's flavors (here: Fedora) > >> is a fully conscious active political statement/decision. > > > > Chosing to use Linux may be a political statement. It may also be a "I > > picked the best tool for the job, and this time, it happened to be > > Linux". > > That's my situation. I was requested by an employer who wanted > me to install it. I just haven't removed it, because it works. Great, somebody made a decision for you. > >> This might be news to newcomers who regard Fedora and Linux as "a > >> technical alternative to Vista", ... but whether you like it or not, > >> Linux comes with political and philosophical strings attached, whether > >> you agree to them or not. > > > > That is true. > > Umm, the distro does not come with strings attached. Of cause it does. You might want to have some closer looks into the details, e.g. think about why you can't find certain SW bundled with the distro, think about why some people are agitating against OSS licenses or subsets of them? A bit bluntly formulated: Linux is more than a "simple OS", Linux is part of a sociological and political movement. > > What's not true is the percieved need to ram political and > > philosophical views down the neck of some poor newcomer that requires > > technical assistance. (I've made this point before.) Agreed, nevertheless, these folks should learn and understand about the backgrounds - It's why I am saying, restricting a "fedora users"-list to mere technical topics would be a severe mistake. > I agree heartily. I suggest that the non-technical/political aspects > be reserved for another group, like Fedora-Advocacy or sth similar. You don't want to lean about your distro's heritage, backgrounds, objectives and the consequences of these? You want to keep you head in the sand - Ostrich policy? Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The Scope and Ownership of fedora-list
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 14:39 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 07:13 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > (Remember: Using Linux also is a political statement) > > Maybe. Maybe not. Well, to newcomer, it's likely not an obvious political statement, to Linux veterans supporting Linux rsp. one of it's flavors (here: Fedora) is a fully conscious active political statement/decision. This might be news to newcomers who regard Fedora and Linux as "a technical alternative to Vista", ... but whether you like it or not, Linux comes with political and philosophical strings attached, whether you agree to them or not. Ralf -- Registered Linux User #26 http://counter.li.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: The Scope and Ownership of fedora-list
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 23:51 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote: > This list, fedora-list@redhat.com, is one of the first lists that most > Fedora users join, and therefore quite important to the community. > However, it's a high-volume list (and is sometimes perceived to have a > high noise level), so many veterans of the Fedora community aren't > subscribed. > > As the result of discussion at the last public (IRC) board meeting, it's > been proposed that narrow the scope of this list a bit. The current > description of this list simply reads: > >fedora-users: For users of Fedora > > The proposed replacement is: > >fedora-users: Help and support for using the Fedora distribution. > > Feedback on this proposed change is welcome. I against this change for several reasons. If you'd really want to separate "end-user support" from "general discussions on topics related to Fedora", then I'd recommend to add an additional "fedora-support-list" and to see how this works out. Also, do you expect such a change to improve the situation wrt. Linux veterans not participating on this list? I don't, because to "Linux veterans" the "non-technical issues" related to Linux often are more important/interesting than the "mere technical issues" (Remember: Using Linux also is a political statement) Ralf (Linux veteran) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 18:04 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:15 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Is the annouce list the best thing we can do? > > Well, those who *want* to know these things, "Wanting to know" isn't the problem. Communicating the appropriate pieces of information to the appropriate audiences in appropriate time is the problem. E.g. "ordinary" users do not need to know if e.g. the buildsystem is down, however they would have to know about which precautions to take to protect their systems in case malicious/compromised packages should have hit the repos and need to be informed when the "danger is over". For such cases, sending emails to an announce list hardly is an appropriate means, because one can't expect ordinary users to be subscribed. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 21:13 +, g wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > The specific current situation aside for a moment. As a Board member, > > I am interested in thinking about a better mechanism of communication > > i see nothing wrong with way it is now. Do you consider shouting "fire" in a fully crowded theater and to leave people alone in the resulting panic to be an appropriate means? It's at least how I perceived Paul's mail and the subsequent "non-/dis-information policy" FPB, FESCO and RH have exhibited. IMO, the question on which additional/alternative means to inform the public would have been appropriate can not be answered before somebody finally informs the public about what has happened. One thing is for sure: This incident made a structural weakness of "the Fedora system" apparent: Centralism. Whatever might have happened it effectively paralyzed Fedora. > > I do not want to go into this too deeply until the current situation > > has been resolved. > > maybe you should have waited? ;o) Yes, he likely better should have. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 19:10 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > list the best thing we can do? Or is it just the best thing we can do > > right now given our current tools? Nothing's ever perfect but their > > maybe room to try something new with regard to communication > > mechanisms... if there are people willing to put the effort in to > > build it. > > Some suggestions: > > - An RSS feed for *important* announcements that is picked up by default > by the package updater or similar but can be unsubscribed from if users > want. > - Ability for yum to get an error message from a repository and report it. > - Sticking important stuff on the *front* of the fedora project web site. > > There is a different issue about what is said and leaving people in the > dark assuming the worst - a very bad way to create long term trust. Exactly what has happened right now. An obscure announcement, the infrastructure going down, no updates, just silence ... very poor management. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: autoconf macro directory
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 22:36 +0800, Jacques Dong wrote: > When autogen.sh, I got the following warning > "Please add the files > codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 > progtest.m4 > from the /usr/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory > or directly to your aclocal.m4 file. > You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from > ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/. " short answer to your question: yum install automake gettext-devel Longer answers interspersed below: > Question 1: where is "autoconf macro directory"? > I searched and found the director /usr/share/autoconf/autoconf, hope > that's right. Nope. cf. the error message above. /usr/share/aclocal is what you are looking for > Question 2: where should i put config.guess and config.sub? > I guess is either in "autoconf macro directory" or current directory, > yes or no? Into the directory containing your configure.ac. BTW: Instead of reinventing the wheel, I'd have a look into autoreconf (from autoconf). Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 10:49 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Dnia 2008-06-27, pią o godzinie 13:52 +0100, Timothy Murphy pisze: > > Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > > > One problem for a lot of people is that NM does not open the network > > > connection until the user logs in. This is a problem for anything > > > that needs a network connection before you log in. > > > > I agree. > > What is the rationale behind this decision? > > Weren't new GDM meant to solve this issue? It can't resolve this issue, when it isn't running. > It was said to allow > running userspace daemons (like gnome-power-manager and nm-applet) > on login screen. These suffer from the same design flaw: They presume a running desktop. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h?
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 22:01 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear all, > > In trying to create a SLMODEMD.gcc4.3, that will serve many users who use > slmodemd + alsa component, I encounter the error in subject "( > > Is there any place that this file exists? > Has this file been depracated? > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] slmodem-2.9.11-20080417]$ cd modem/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] modem]$ make SUPPORT_ALSA=1 > rebuild profile... > gcc -m32 -Wall -g -O -I. -DCONFIG_DEBUG_MODEM -DSUPPORT_ALSA=1 -o > modem_main.o -c modem_main.c > In file included from /usr/include/features.h:359, > from /usr/include/string.h:26, > from modem_main.c:48: > /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or > directory # rpm -qf /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h glibc-devel-2.8-3.i386 Are you on x86_64? Then, you probably only have the x86_64 version of glibc-devel installed and need to additionally install the i386 version. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Updated NVIDIA Driver 173.14.05
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 09:16 -0700, Srikanth Konjarla wrote: > I have used livna and got the NVIDIA driver working. However, the laptop > screen brightness does not work. Anybody got this working? I have very mixed results with livna's Nvidia rpm. On one machine (w/ GeForce 8600 GT), it worked out-of-box with a couple of problems[1], on another machine (GeForce FX Go5200) so far, I haven't been able to make it working[2]. Ralf [1] I am observing "distorted redraws" in Firefox (so far, in no other application). Looks like non-initialized memory related to doublebuffering similar, in firefox to me. [2] W/ "AIGLX" enabled, the X server starts and seems to run, but all I am seeing is a black screen. Switching AIGLX off brings life to the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: lastest kernel support fedora 9 DVD
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:14 -0500, Randy Easley wrote: > Where can I download the latest kernel support dvd for Fedora 9? > I want to be able to install in graphical mode. > > Also, I'm head to head with Fedora vs Centos You are comparing apples and oranges. Both are addressing different audiences and aren't really comparable. > Any comment are very welcome. The real differences are * CentOS (and its mother RHEL) is an ultra-conservative distro, aiming at long term support. I.e. comes with SW tending to become outdated during it's life-time and therefore will lack features more current distros provide. * Fedora is close to the "bleeding edge" (sometimes beyond) and is short-lived. Both distros have pros and cons. Which to choose depends upon your needs. Very oversimplified, CentOS is better suited when wanting to "install once and forget about it for a long time" and/or when not needing "bleeding edge features" (typically servers). Fedora is better suited for those people needing "modern features" and/or having the resources/skills to cope Fedora's fast pace. My choice is Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
