Re: nautilus-open-terminal and current directory in F9

[Richard England]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 23:18 -0700, Richard England wrote:
  

Jeffrey Tadlock wrote:


On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Amadeus W.M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  

So did you find the solution? I saw that problem too and I thought it was
weird, but I normally set up a keyboard shortcut in preferences to open a
shell. I virtually never open it from the menu. However, it's beyond my
understanding why someone would configure the menu the way it is now.



Make sure you have gconf-editor installed, if not 'yum install
gconf-editor'.  Once installed run gconf-editor and then go the Apps
section, then look for nautilus-open-terminal.  Put a check mark in
the desktop_opens_home_dir entry.  It will then go back to its old
behaviour.

~Jeffrey

  
  

So take pity on me and tell me,  why can't I find the elusive gconf-editor ?

rpm -qpl | grep gconf-editor

turns up nothing.   Attempts to install it indicate that there is 
nothing to do.


yum search gconf-editor  says "No matches Found"



It's in the Fedora repo so you should be seeing it. Try "yum clean
metadata" and have another go. Also "yum repolist" (you never know :-)

poc

  
You nailed it, Patrick fedora.repo was not enabled.  Odd, I don't 
remember having to do that for other releases so it never dawned on me 
to look.


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Re: nautilus-open-terminal and current directory in F9

[Richard England]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 22:27 -0700, Richard England wrote:
  

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 23:18 -0700, Richard England wrote:
  
  

Jeffrey Tadlock wrote:



On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Amadeus W.M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
  

So did you find the solution? I saw that problem too and I thought it was
weird, but I normally set up a keyboard shortcut in preferences to open a
shell. I virtually never open it from the menu. However, it's beyond my
understanding why someone would configure the menu the way it is now.




Make sure you have gconf-editor installed, if not 'yum install
gconf-editor'.  Once installed run gconf-editor and then go the Apps
section, then look for nautilus-open-terminal.  Put a check mark in
the desktop_opens_home_dir entry.  It will then go back to its old
behaviour.

~Jeffrey

  
  
  

So take pity on me and tell me,  why can't I find the elusive gconf-editor ?

rpm -qpl | grep gconf-editor

turns up nothing.   Attempts to install it indicate that there is 
nothing to do.


yum search gconf-editor  says "No matches Found"



It's in the Fedora repo so you should be seeing it. Try "yum clean
metadata" and have another go. Also "yum repolist" (you never know :-)

poc

  
  
You nailed it, Patrick fedora.repo was not enabled.  Odd, I don't 
remember having to do that for other releases so it never dawned on me 
to look.



Exceedingly wierd. It should be enabled by default. Was this an upgrade
or a fresh install?

poc

  
This was a F9 Beta that was nursed along through all its upgrades till 
if finally grew into a real F9 system.  :-)


Started out as bare metal. (well okay, a partition has CP but that's 
close to the same thing).


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Re: Thunderbird Thread balloons

[Richard England]

Mike Evans wrote:

Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
Can someone tell me why my thread "balloons" in Thunderbird are 
messed up?  I now have 2 machines the same way.  Please see 
attached pic.






Mine have always looked like that - I think!  What's the problem?  I 
have noticed that there's nothing to explicitly collapse or expand all 
threads, and it's a real shame that you can't delete an entire thread 
easily.  The work-around for the first problem seems to be to move to 
another mailbox and then back, whereupon all the threads are collapsed.


Mike


Take a look at this site
http://www.chuonthis.com/extensions/buttons.php
for at good set of "buttons" that include a way to delete an entire  thread.

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Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build

[Richard England]

Is there anyone here that builds kernel modules that might provide some 
insight into what might have changed in the kernel between 
2.6.25.3-18.fc9.i686  and  2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 to cause an invalid 
module format to be built?  These are, I believe the next to last and 
last kernel updates, respectively.


The builds under both kernels appear to run correctly (no error 
messages) but when you try install the module it errors:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] vpnclient]# /etc/init.d/vpnclient_init start
Starting /opt/cisco-vpnclient/bin/vpnclient: insmod: error inserting 
'/lib/modules/2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686/CiscoVPN/cisco_ipsec.ko': -1 Invalid 
module format

Failed (insmod)


This is the  vpnclient-linux-x86_64-4.8.01.0640-k9_f8.tar.gz build from 
Cisco (obtainable from  
ftp://ftp.tu-graz.ac.at/vc-graz/vpn/vpnclient-linux-x86_64-4.8.01.0640-k9.tar.gz

as modified by the patch from
http://projects.tuxx-home.at/ciscovpn/patches/vpnclient-linux-2.6.24-final.diff

The tar file contains an install script that uses make but, while I can 
read the make file, I'm a relative newby when  it comes to modules so 
any insight will be helpful. 


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Re: Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build

[Richard England]

Antonio Olivares wrote:


--- On Tue, 6/10/08, Richard England <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

From: Richard England <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Changes in kernel mess up Cisco VPN build
To: "For users of Fedora" 
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 9:50 PM
Is there anyone here that builds kernel modules that might
provide some 
insight into what might have changed in the kernel between 
2.6.25.3-18.fc9.i686  and  2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 to cause an
invalid 
module format to be built?  These are, I believe the next
to last and 
last kernel updates, respectively.


The builds under both kernels appear to run correctly (no
error 
messages) but when you try install the module it errors:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] vpnclient]# /etc/init.d/vpnclient_init start
Starting /opt/cisco-vpnclient/bin/vpnclient: insmod: error
inserting 
'/lib/modules/2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686/CiscoVPN/cisco_ipsec.ko':
-1 Invalid 
module format

Failed (insmod)


After building the packages run dmesg to see how they are loaded. 
$ su -

password:
# modprobe cisco_ipsec

what does it give you?

then run dmesg on the same terminal or another tabbed one
$ dmesg

should output something back about compatibility.   
  
This is the 
vpnclient-linux-x86_64-4.8.01.0640-k9_f8.tar.gz build from 
Cisco (obtainable from  
ftp://ftp.tu-graz.ac.at/vc-graz/vpn/vpnclient-linux-x86_64-4.8.01.0640-k9.tar.gz

as modified by the patch from
http://projects.tuxx-home.at/ciscovpn/patches/vpnclient-linux-2.6.24-final.diff


The patch is for 2.6.24 kernels right?, there were some changes in the newer 2.6.25 kernels, the fastcall, FASTCALL() procedures were removed.  I had a problem with building drivers for a modem, I have an external modem, but could not connect with Fedora using it, only with SLAX.  

Anyhow the Makefile had 
EXTRA_CFLAGS += 
and changing it to 
EXTRA_CPPFLAGS += 


fixed it for me.  Give it a try and report back.  


-EXTRA_CFLAGS += -DKMARTIAN_STAMP=20061202
+EXTRA_CPPFLAGS += -DKMARTIAN_STAMP=20061202

HTH,

Antonio 
  

The tar file contains an install script that uses make but,
while I can 
read the make file, I'm a relative newby when  it comes
to modules so 
any insight will be helpful. 


Thanks,

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Thank you, Antonio. At least now I have something to investigate. From 
dmesg I found:


cisco_ipsec: version magic '2.6.25.3-18.fc9.i686 SMP mod_unload 686 
4KSTACKS ' should be '2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 SMP mod_unload 686 4KSTACKS '


So somehow, it still thinks it has and old kernel. Maybe a 'make clean".?



Okay, that was it, I think. I should know better than that. Really bad 
build procedures to not do a "make clean" before you rebuild. I should 
note, however, that you don't want to change "EXTRA_CFLAGS" to 
"EXTRA_CPPFLAGS", in this instance. This cause a whole raft of errors. I 
set it back.


Thanks for your assistance.

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Re: Firefox for ever

[Richard England]

Timothy Murphy wrote:

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

  

Timothy Murphy wrote:


Sorry to be mean, but why don't Fedora just admit
that no browser they produce is likely to be as good as Firefox?
  

Huh? That doesn't make any sense. Fedora doesn't "produce" any browser
although it does contribute to Firefox and includes it in the repository.



I guess I should have said Fedora/KDE.
(One tends to forget that there are still some people running Gnome.)
When I install Fedora-9 from the KDE Fedora Live CD
I was offered Konqueror as default browser.
 

  
 Does anyone have numbers on the distribution of Gnome vs KDE 
users in Linux at large and Fedora specifically?  I hear a lot of 
complaints by the KDE folks (not just on 3.5 vs 4.0 issues).  Is this 
just  the down trodden minority rage  
or are there more KDE users than I think?


Does smolt gather these statistics?  I didn't find any references on the 
wiki.


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Re: GRUB menu video mode

[Richard England]

Herbert Carl Meyer wrote:

Removing the splash= produces a pure text menu that the TV displays
properly. Thank you, Mikkel. TV's, even modern flat screens, make lousy
computer monitors. The basic purpose of this system is a DVR.

Jeremy K added the splash to grub to improve it, and as an advertising
vector. Side effect was my problem, which is fixable.

As far as grub sucking, it was written for a purpose by somebody else.
If you think it sucks, write something better. If you can't write, shut
up, and go away. 


Excuse me, rude people make me rude. I am very good at being rude, you
should try me in person. Bring a helmet, and some bandages.

Carl

  

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Re: enter password for default keyring to unlock

[Richard England]

Dave Burns wrote:

I just installed fc9. I never knowingly set any password other than my
login password and root password. But ever since I got wireless
working when I log in I get a dialog:

"enter password for default keyring to unlock
The application 'NetworkManager Applet'
wants access to the default keyring but it is locked"

I enter the only pasword I know of, but the dialog pops back up again.

How do I reset this or get rid of it? What do I re-install?

I googled the dialog message, but there are a million hits explaining
how to get the dialog to never show up assuming you know the password
of the default keyring, which I apparently do not. How did this
password get set without me ever even knowing it existed?

Thanks in advance,
Dave

  

I believe that you an remove the current password by removing the file
.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring

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Re: Thunderbird and junkmail

[Richard England]

Ian Chapman wrote:

Hi All,

Does anybody have any idea why I can't get thunderbird to 
automatically move junk mail that arrives in my inbox, into the Junk 
folder? This used to work but for some reason it no longer is. It 
detects the junk, marks it as read but doesn't move it. If I manually 
mark a message as junk it does move it.
In the account settings I also have move new junk messages to junk 
folder selected.



OS version?  Thunderbird version?  Settings you have in place (filters)?

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Re: Thunderbird and junkmail

[Richard England]

Ian Chapman wrote:

Richard England wrote:

Does anybody have any idea why I can't get thunderbird to 
automatically move junk mail that ...

OS version?


Fedora 9


Thunderbird version?


2.0.0.14


Settings you have in place (filters)?


Yes I have filters in place but only for one account which sorts out 
the various mailing lists into sub folders, however all email accounts 
are affected the same way. According to the manual, junk mail 
filtering is done after the normal message filtering. The spam is 
being left in the inbox albeit marked as such and marked as read. Just 
for some reason thunderbird won't move it to the junk folder 
automatically.



I'm not an expert and I'm still running F8 but I AM using TBird 2.0.0.14.

There are two locations that you can set for junk mail. 

The first is via Edit > Preferences and the "Junk" tab.  Here you can 
set the default Junk mail settings. Here I have set 'When I mark 
messages as junk, move them to the accounts "junk" folder'.  I also have 
"Mark messages determined to be junk as read"  set.


The second applies to account specific junk mail filters which you reach 
by Edit > Account Settings and selecting "Junk Settings" under your 
email account. Here I have the following set:

- Enable adaptive junk mail controls for this account
- Do not mark mail as junk if the sender is in: "Personal Address Book"
- Trust junk mail headers set by: SpamPal
- Move new junk messages to:
   "Junk" folder on : 
- Automatically delete junk mail older than 7 days.


Of course there are settings here you may wish to modify but this has 
been working for me for some time. I would verify that both sets of 
settings are as you wish them to be.


HTH, but remember, I haven't done this on F9 yet. I have yet to convert 
my primary workstation to F9.


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Re: Network manager wireless control works great in F9!

[Richard England]

Arch Willingham wrote:




 

In short, it is awesome! Inside our office, it immediately popped up 
asking for the required credentials and BANG! It connected. Ditto with 
every wireless hotspot I have tried. Also, it is much easier to 
explain how to use to an end user than the methods I was using. 
Ironically, I also dual boot many of these machines and the Network 
manager means of connection is much easier and more intuitive than the 
native control offered by XP and/or the utilities that ship with the 
NICS/laptops (Dell for instance).


 

I have read where many people have had problems with Network manager 
but I just wanted to say thank you to who ever made it.


 


Arch


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Re: Upgrading to next version of Fedora

[Richard England]

Dave Feustel wrote:

What is involved in upgrading from one version of Fedora to the next?
(eg from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 when F-10 becomes available)

Thanks.

  
You might look into preupgrade 


https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade

yum install preupgrade

I did my 8 to 9 upgrade on a desktop and laptop and it went very smoothly.

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Re: Upgrading to next version of Fedora

[Richard England]

Björn Persson wrote:

Richard England wrote:
  

Dave Feustel wrote:


What is involved in upgrading from one version of Fedora to the next?
(eg from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 when F-10 becomes available)
  

You might look into preupgrade



But you should be aware that Preupgrade is a possible attack vector if someone 
is trying to sneak malware into your computer. It doesn't check the files it 
downloads for tampering.


Yum checks all the packages it installs, and for CD images there are signed 
checksums so that you can verify them manually.


Björn Persson
  
I was under the impression that RPM was still used by Anaconda and the 
MD5 was still checked by RPM at installation time.


Does anyone that can speak to it know what security changes are planned 
/ will be in place for F10?


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Re: Upgrading to next version of Fedora

[Richard England]

Björn Persson wrote:

lördagen den 2 augusti 2008 skrev Richard England:
  

Björn Persson wrote:


Richard England wrote:
  

Dave Feustel wrote:


What is involved in upgrading from one version of Fedora to the next?
(eg from Fedora 9 to Fedora 10 when F-10 becomes available)
  

You might look into preupgrade


But you should be aware that Preupgrade is a possible attack vector if
someone is trying to sneak malware into your computer. It doesn't check
the files it downloads for tampering.

Yum checks all the packages it installs, and for CD images there are
signed checksums so that you can verify them manually.

Björn Persson
  

I was under the impression that RPM was still used by Anaconda and the
MD5 was still checked by RPM at installation time.



1: It's the PGP signature that needs to be checked, not the MD5 sum. RPM can 
check PGP signatures but Anaconda doesn't tell RPM to do that.


2: Installation time is too late in the case of Preupgrade. The installer 
needs to be checked before it is booted. After the reboot you have a possibly 
malicious RPM running on a possibly malicious Linux, and if signatures were 
to be checked in that stage it would be a possibly malicious GPG checking 
signatures against a possibly false PGP key.


  

Does anyone that can speak to it know what security changes are planned
/ will be in place for F10?



There are two enhancement tickets but no target dates:

https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ticket/7
"gpg check downloaded packages"
"For safety's sake, we should gpgcheck the packages as we download them."

That's one important step but it doesn't include the installer, which is the 
next ticket:


https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/ticket/8
"Checksums and file sizes for boot images"
"If anaconda .treeinfo included file size and checksums for 
initrd/vmlinuz/etc, we could provide more accurate download progress, resume 
interrupted downloads, and be sure we have the correct files."


That's not enough. Checksums don't prevent tampering. The boot images need to 
be signed with PGP and Preupgrade needs to check those signatures.


Björn Persson
  

Thank you, Björn.

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Re: A background for each workspace (in Gnome)

[Richard England]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

How can I set up Gnome to have a different background for each
workspace, as can be done in KDE?


Not by default however you can use a additional utility

# yum install wallpapoz

Rahul


FYI

http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/

contains a note saying that the developer no longer has time to maintain 
this code and is looking for someone to take it over.


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Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-16 UTC 1530

[Richard England]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Ralf Corsepius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

maybe you should have waited? ;o)
  

Yes, he likely better should have.



I said I was going to wait to facilitate a discussion, but I see no
reason to wait on telling people I plan to have one. If people are
talking about whether or not fedora-announce-list is adequate as a
mechanism for communication, then I want people to be aware that I am
interested in hearing well reasoned opinions concerning what a better
mechanism would be. More than that, I'm interested in talking to
someone who is willing to help put that better mechanism in place if
we reach a concencous opinion as to what the mechanism is.

Or I could just bury my head in the sand and ignore the discussions on
this list and elsewhere. You either want me paying attention as a
board member..or you don't.  If you don't just put me in your kill
file. And if you do, then expect me to wade into on-going discussions
and challenge people to put work into fixes project deficiencies.

-jef

  

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Re: Infrastructure status, 2008-08-19 UTC 0200

[Richard England]

Dave Burns wrote:

Know what I wish? That posts with the subject "Re: Infrastructure
status" actually discussed infrastructure status, and that discussions
of 'how to improve dissemination of info about infrastructure status'
had a different subject. T






Dave

  

+2

What is it, the season, the water, planet alignments, global warming?  
This list seems to be filling with interminable "discussions".  The 
noise to data ratio is decreasing alarmingly. I seem to be deleting 
almost as much as I'm reading!


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Re: Ooo writer: autocorrect MIA?

[Richard England]

Peter Langfelder wrote:

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Matthew Woehlke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

How do I enable autocorrect in writer? The help says to go to
autocorrect->options and check 'use replacement table', but there is no such
option. Any thoughts? I'm using 2.4.1-17.4.fc9.i386 (Fedora 9).




I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but AutoCorrect features can be
enabled by going to Tools->AutoCorrect and enabling any corrections
you like. I don't see 'use replacement table' under Options either.

Peter

  
I'm seeing the same thing Matthew Woehlke is seeing.  There is no 
"Replace" tab in the AutoCorrect menu.  The only options are 
"Exceptions", "Options" "Custom Quotes" and "Word Completion".  In the 
"Options" menu there is suppose to be a "use replacement table" setting  
but it does not exist.


For those that see these features, what versions of OOo are you using?  
In my case both v 2.3 (in Fedora 8) and v2.4 (in Fedora 9) show that I 
am using a "...product ...created by Red Hat Inc. based on 
OpenOffice.org" when I look at "Help>About OpenOffice.org".


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Re: Gnome Terminal and Session management Query

[Richard England]

Dan Track wrote:

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Dan Track <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Dan Track <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi

I've got fedora 9 installed and I'd like it to store sessions for all
my routers,switches, firewalls, servers etc just like putty and
securecrt do. How can I manage that in a sensible way, I've got nearly
a 100 different devices so a long list wouldn't be ideal, something
like creating folders e.g network, linux and then storing the sessions
in there would be good.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Dan
  

Hey Guys,

Can anyone give any thoughts on this? I just need to save profiles in
a logical way!

Thanks
Dan



Hi

Guess no one has this type of problem. I'm curious how do you guys
then manage all your servers and network devices? Do you memorise the
hostnames or ip addresses and ssh or telnet in every time you need log
in?

Is there something fundamental I'm missing?

Dan

  
I add a "Drawer" to my desk top tool bar.  That drawer contains a set of 
"Custom Application Launcher"  entries that run in a Terminal and 
execute the command "ssh -Y -l @" .My login on 
each host contains the .profile/.kshrc/ etc  files that define all the 
environment settings I need.  I create custom Icons for the Drawer items 
that consist of the name of the system.


HTH

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Re: Gnome Terminal and Session management Query

[Richard England]

Richard England wrote:

Dan Track wrote:

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Dan Track <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Dan Track <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

Hi

I've got fedora 9 installed and I'd like it to store sessions for all
my routers,switches, firewalls, servers etc just like putty and
securecrt do. How can I manage that in a sensible way, I've got nearly
a 100 different devices so a long list wouldn't be ideal, something
like creating folders e.g network, linux and then storing the sessions
in there would be good.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Dan
  

Hey Guys,

Can anyone give any thoughts on this? I just need to save profiles in
a logical way!

Thanks
Dan



Hi

Guess no one has this type of problem. I'm curious how do you guys
then manage all your servers and network devices? Do you memorise the
hostnames or ip addresses and ssh or telnet in every time you need log
in?

Is there something fundamental I'm missing?

Dan

  
I add a "Drawer" to my desk top tool bar.  That drawer contains a set 
of "Custom Application Launcher"  entries that run in a Terminal and 
execute the command "ssh -Y -l @" .My login 
on each host contains the .profile/.kshrc/ etc  files that define all 
the environment settings I need.  I create custom Icons for the Drawer 
items that consist of the name of the system.


HTH

~~R

Yeah, well, that command line was pretty much  wrong.  You shouldn't use 
the -l option if you use "@".  Sorry.


~~R

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Re: Cannot find DVD drive

[Richard England]

Timothy Murphy wrote:

Aldo Foot wrote:

  

I'm afraid this may be a very ignorant question,
but how do I access the DVD drive on my desktop?

It is shown by lshal:
--
udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_ROM_DRD_841B'
 block.storage_device
= '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_ROM_DRD_841B'  (string)
 info.product = 'DVD-ROM DRD-841B'  (string)
 info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_ROM_DRD_841B'
(string)
  

When I do lshal in my F8 box I get this (way down in the output):

udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_ROM_SD_R1312'
access_control.file = '/dev/sr0'  (string)
block.device = '/dev/sr0'  (string)
linux.device_file = '/dev/sg0'  (string)

I'm just curious: do you get any of that?



Yes, I do get that:
--
udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_ROM_DRD_841B'
  access_control.file = '/dev/sr0'  (string)
  access_control.grant_local_session = true  (bool)
  block.device = '/dev/sr0'  (string)
--

I did actually know /dev/cdrom was a link to /dev/sr0,
but I get the same result when trying to mount the latter:
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tim]# mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom
mount: No medium found
--

I guess there may be something wrong with the drive.
It's rather ancient.
I'll try it in another machine.

  
I'm coming in late on this, but is there a CD (media) in the drive when 
you try the mount command?


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Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?

[Richard England]

Jose Celestino wrote:

Words by David [Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 01:01:41PM -0500]:
  

Fred Silsbee wrote:


  put F10 back in beta
  

Everyone else has been polite as you rant and rave about 'no GUI root
logins' by default. You want them? Change the settings.




What? Who the f would want that?

Sorry, arrived late on the thread.

  
Fred has some problems with F10.  Therefore the release must not be 
ready.


This happens every release.  Someone has an issue and goes on a rant.  
It does get wearisome.  This is what my email filters live for.


FWIW,  F10 is working fine on two systems here, one a self built, the 
other is an older Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I have yet to encounter any 
of the issues that Fred has.



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Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?

[Richard England]

Linuxguy123 wrote:

On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 10:16 -0800, Richard England wrote:
  

Jose Celestino wrote:

FWIW,  F10 is working fine on two systems here, one a self built, the 
other is an older Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I have yet to encounter any 
of the issues that Fred has.



So because it works fine on your *2* systems, its a good release ?

For the record, I have zero problems with the networking stuff that
people are complaining about and dual displays work excellent for me,
day in and day out. 

That doesn't mean I think those features are great for everyone. 



  
Not at all.  But anyone new to a forum like this will get the idea that 
1,2,even 10 people with problems will reflect the stability or overall 
usefulness of a release. My posting was an attempt to point out that the 
release works for some and not for others.  It is the nature of Fedora 
to stretch the limits and issues are going to arise.


When a release does _not_ work, file a bug report, ask for assistance 
and if you can't get it to function, find a work around or, if you must, 
move to another (for you) more stable release of Fedora or another 
release altogether.


Telling everyone that the release is non-functional and should be 
recalled is not productive and wastes everyone's bandwidth.


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Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?

[Richard England]

Richard England wrote:

Linuxguy123 wrote:

On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 10:16 -0800, Richard England wrote:
 

Jose Celestino wrote:

FWIW,  F10 is working fine on two systems here, one a self built, 
the other is an older Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I have yet to 
encounter any of the issues that Fred has.



So because it works fine on your *2* systems, its a good release ?

For the record, I have zero problems with the networking stuff that
people are complaining about and dual displays work excellent for me,
day in and day out.
That doesn't mean I think those features are great for everyone.

  
Not at all.  But anyone new to a forum like this will get the idea 
that 1,2,even 10 people with problems will reflect the stability or 
overall usefulness of a release. My posting was an attempt to point 
out that the release works for some and not for others.  It is the 
nature of Fedora to stretch the limits and issues are going to arise.


When a release does _not_ work, file a bug report, ask for assistance 
and if you can't get it to function, find a work around or, if you 
must, move to another (for you) more stable release of Fedora or 
another release altogether.


Telling everyone that the release is non-functional and should be 
recalled is not productive and wastes everyone's bandwidth.


~~R


BTW, be careful with the attribution of statements.  From the above 
editing it appears that Joe Celestino  made the comments that were made 
by me.  Some people become very upset by this (and at time, justifiably so).


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Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?

[Richard England]

Linuxguy123 wrote:

On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 11:48 -0800, Richard England wrote:
  
Telling everyone that the release is non-functional and should be 
recalled is not productive and wastes everyone's bandwidth.



Not that I agree with him, but everyone is entitled to an opinion,
right ?  I don't call that a waste of bandwidth. 

  
I have no quibble with that.  I would suggest you go look at the thread 
of this conversation and note that only the first poster told him to 
"shut up".


I appreciate people pointing out their "problems". It helps to bring 
multiple minds to bear on a problem.  Fred can continue to post (almost) 
anything he wishes to on this list and I won't deny him that right.  
But, as I pointed out, that is why I have mail filters.


This topic is now closed, as far as I am concerned.

Good luck with Fedora and keep posting. I learn something from ever post 
I read.


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Re: phone device connection

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Garry T. Williams wrote:

On Wednesday 10 December 2008 04:31:35 Sandesh Karanth wrote:
  

I want to access the files in the phone. Could you please mention how to?



Try using bitpim.

sudo yum install bitpim

  
What kind of phone?  Some programs only work with a restricted set of 
phones.



From what repository do you get bitpim?

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Re: Is this problem solvable?

[Richard England]

Frank Cox wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:43:18 -0500
Bill Davidsen wrote:

  
IBM sells a card called RSA which has its own network connection, and which can 
provide console access, machine status, and reboot via system message or power 
cycle on command.



The "big hammer" approach:

http://www.webpowerswitch.com/


  
Given what I've encountered in various data centers,  ~$300 isn't a bad 
price,...assuming you can justify the cost.


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Re: hplip scanner support?

[Richard England]

Tom Horsley wrote:

Sometime when I wasn't looking hplip seems to have
gotten scanner support added for most of HP's
all-in-one products (too bad they didn't retrofit
support for their stand alone scanners).

Is anyone actually using one of the HP all-in-one
devices on fedora 10 and gotten the scanner to work
well? Can you scan via the low-level sane command
line tools like scanimage?

Maybe there is a SANE solution for devices actually
available somewhere other than e-bay and antique
stores :-).

Too bad HP isn't putting penguin logos on their boxes
and trumpeting linux support in their product pages,
I stumbled across the hplip scanner info by accident :-(.

  
HP PSC2410, USB interface, seems happy, though the Fax interface, (I 
think) seems a bit clunky. Scanning/printing works just fine.


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Re: test

[Richard England]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Armin wrote:
  

On Saturday 31 January 2009 10:30:14 Neal Becker wrote:


test please ignore
  
oh my god, I love these kinds of emails.  They are so funny! (I know I should 
have ignored it, but something in me didn't let me do it!)




Reminds me of the "radio checks" on CB radio...

Mikkel
  

10-4 good buddy.  You copy?

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Assert error from Latest Firefox (just update)

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Yum updated to Firefox this morning  (firefox-3.0.6-1.fc9.i386)  on my 
F9 system (fully updated) and now I'm getting a dialog box that shows 
the following info every time the  browser is started.   The browser 
comes up but throws this assert.  My error or there?


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ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
Stack Trace:
0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037)
1:()
2:()
3:()
4:epsGetAttr([object Object],hidden)
5:()
6:()
7:currentEngine()
8:get_currentEngine()
9:updateDisplay()
10:init()
11:([object XULElement],0)

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Re: Assert error from Latest Firefox (just update)

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Hmmm.   That was it but it was confusing since there was no "outward" 
appearing Firefox sessions.  I had 4 workspaces available and none of 
them had a visible firefox session in them.   ps -aef | grep firefox  
turned one up though.


Thank you Craig.

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Craig White wrote:

On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 08:32 -0800, Richard England wrote:
  
Yum updated to Firefox this morning  (firefox-3.0.6-1.fc9.i386)  on my 
F9 system (fully updated) and now I'm getting a dialog box that shows 
the following info every time the  browser is started.   The browser 
comes up but throws this assert.  My error or theirs?


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ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
Stack Trace:
0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037)
1:()
2:()
3:()
4:epsGetAttr([object Object],hidden)
5:()
6:()
7:currentEngine()
8:get_currentEngine()
9:updateDisplay()
10:init()
11:([object XULElement],0)



cuz FF was updated and it needs to be closed and opened again.

Craig

  


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Re: Problem: CUPS re-writing printers.conf

[Richard England]

Timothy Murphy wrote:

Anne Wilson wrote:

  

I am trying to print the CUPS Print Test Page from my laptop
on a printer attached to another machine on my home LAN.
But whenever I do this CUPS adds the line
"AuthInfoRequired username,password" to /etc/cups/printers.conf
on my laptop.
The result is that the job is rejected;
  


  
I've never done this, so I'm just throwing out ideas for you to consider. 
You

are connecting to alfred in order to print.  If you set up printers in
samba you have to set whether the driver is going to be local or remote -
how do you do that in the cups setup?



Thanks again for your response.

When setting up the printer on the laptop,
I say that it is a network printer, choose http as the protocol,
and give the URI of the printer, in this case
http://192.168.2.1:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_5L .

(The printer is never found by clicking on Network Find Printer.)

  

The other thing that comes to mind is that because it is attached to
alfred,
you definitely have to authenticate there.  You'd need either matching
username and password or user-mapping, I would have thought.



There is no suggestion that one has to setup anything,
and I don't see where one could set username/password
in any of the CUPS files.

  

Hope it starts off some useful train o thought.



Yes, thanks.
I'll try setting up some form of authentication,
or else try turning it off.
But when I googled for the error message,
none of those who encountered the problem
seemed to have found any simple solution.


  

I may be coming in late on this but my laptop configuration specifies

ipp://192.168.2.2:631/printers/psc-2400-series

192.168.2.2 is configured to host this USB printer locally and it's 
"URL" is


hp:/usb/psc_2400_series?serial=MY39FD200F8H

Perhaps you can try using the printer protocol (ipp) instead of http ?

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Re: What are Microsoft codecs?

[Richard England]

Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 04:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote:
  

I would say much closer to 100. So Totem developers know about the
problem



You *know* this do you?  You know that the people working on it have
tried to do what you've done (as opposed to lots of other things that
they might have successfully done), and given up?

  
This has become another "Karl Larsen" situation, for those that have 
been around this list for a while. 


I don't believe there is any ROI in these discussions.

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Re: What are Microsoft codecs?

[Richard England]

Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 10:01 -0700, Richard England wrote:
  

I don't believe there is any ROI in these discussions.



Risk Of Infection?  I think there might be a danger of that...

  

:-)   Return On Investment  :-)

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Re: Epiphany package maintainer?

[Richard England]

Steve Blackwell wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:14:10 -0500
"Mikkel L. Ellertson"  wrote:

  

Steve Blackwell wrote:


When I filed a bug

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592612

the response from the epiphany developers was

"Thanks for taking the time to file this bug report. Can you
reproduce this problem with Epiphany 2.27.x with the WebKit backend?

Because the Gecko backend has been discontinued, there will be no
more bugfixes for versions 2.26 and earlier."

This plainly says >>> there will be no more bugfixes for version
2.26 and earlier. <<<

Now you say there will be bugfixes. Who am I to believe?

Steve

  

Both. The upstream developer is not going to fix bugs in 2.26 and
earlier, but Fedora will backport bug fixes. This is not the only
package they do this for. (Red Hat does even more of this.)

Mikkel



I think I must have woken up in Bizzaro world today.

"...not going to fix bugs in 2.26 and earlier but Fedora will backport
bug fixes. ..."

I'm sure this makes sense to you but to me it reads that Fedora will
backport all the fixes the upstream developer is going to make... which
is zero!

No matter, the bottom line is that the problem I reported is not going
to get fixed in F10 which means that I have to swap over to Windows to
use LinkedIn until I change to F11 which I'll do once F12 is released.
Even then, the issue might still be there. 

Steve

  
I believe the "backport" reference is meant to say that upstream fixes 
to 2.27.x/2.28.x or whatever version might be "backported" by Fedora  to 
version 2.26.


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Re: discovering network printers on F11

[Richard England]

On 09/14/2009 03:35 PM, Globe Trotter wrote:


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Stefano  wrote:

   

From: Stefano
Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:46 PM
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700
(PDT)
Globe Trotter
wrote:

 

Hi,

I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I
   

fire up system-config-printer and ask for this to be
searched but nothing is found. However,
system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the
printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is
not set right on F11, and how do I fix it?

Hi

Tray to enable client ipp, for network print, in Firewall
(see in System Administration).

Bye
Ste
 

Hi,

Thanks very much! I enabled this (as well as the ipp server) but it had no 
effect: clicking on the search for network printers and got nothing. My 
/var/log messages reported the following lines:

hp: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1
python: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1

Any suggestions?

Best,
T
   


Are the printers truly network printers or are they printers attached to 
other systems (and what are these systems if they exist)?


If the other printers are on Windows, have you tried enabling samba 
ports on the firewall?


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Re: gnome-terminal question

[Richard England]

On 09/27/2009 02:09 PM, bruce wrote:

hey...

trying to solve an issue on changing the title of the current gnome-terminal
session.

how does one go about changing the title of the current gnome-terminal via
the cmdline...

i'm trying to figure out if you can use escape sequences, or modifying the
profile for the terminal.

trying some of the escape sequences from different web sites haven't
worked...

thoughts/comments/pointers appreciated...

i'm running fedora 9

thanks


   

Have you investigated

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xterm-Title.html

What have you tried?  If you post your trials, someone may spot a 
problem or we may be able to test it.


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Re: Network Printer Problems

[Richard England]

On 10/03/2009 09:45 PM, Jim wrote:

FC11/KDE-4

Have printer setup as lpd://172.16.1.35 and I can ping the printer and 
driver is setup , but when I send a test page it Stops in print que.


Policy setting is
Error Policy :  Retry Job
Operation  Policy:  Default Behavior

Cups is running in Services


Check your firewall settings for Port 631 tcp/udb ?

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Re: Okular cannot open files with filenames with spaces

[Richard England]

On 10/04/2009 06:22 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 11:48 +0100, Paul Smith wrote:
   

Dear All,

When trying to open a pdf file with a filename with spaces, Okular
cannot open it. For instance, try to open the following pdf file:

http://www.esferadoslivros.pt/pdfs/Contos%20de%20amor.pdf
 

It opens for me.
   

Okular did not exhibit this problem, say, one or two months ago.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

 
   


I concur with Aaron. fedora 11 / Gnome,  evince 2.26.2

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Re: Problem of install tarball packages

[Richard England]

Craig White wrote:

On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 20:35 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
  

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 10:26 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Craig White wrote:


On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 01:43 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Aldo Foot wrote:



On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  

On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 01:10 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Aldo Foot wrote:



  

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:34 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






Dear All,

How to config the sudo, then allow user A to install tarball packages with FC8 
System ?




  

You use the 'visudo' command to edit the /etc/sudoers files.
Don't edit that file directly.

see this /etc/sudoers sample
http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/sample.sudoers

'rpm' is just another command you add to the allowed commands.
so for example a the CLI: "sudo rpm -Uvh someRpm.rpm',

~af







Hello Aldo,

Sorry, my means is tarball packages ( NOT rpm packages )...


  


users don't need superuser privileges to use tar at all UNLESS they are
trying to 'untar' into spaces where only superuser can write, in which
case, security is out the window.

Craig




You're correct. How did I mix rpm and tar? My coffee was not strong
enough this morning.. ;-)

~af



  

Hello,

Sorry, My means is how to running the command line of "./configure",
"make" and "make install" ?
How to config sudo or / and linux system for it ?




users can (and should) run configure, make as users, not as super users.
'make install' only needs super user privileges if the intended install
is to go into /usr/local but users can have 'bin' or 'sbin' directories
in their own space to run compiled programs that are available only to
that specific user and not to all users.

Did I mention that you are going to have nightmares if you actually give
users super user privileges enough times yet?

Craig
  

Hello,

When I tried to install the tarball packages as the following :

[EMAIL PROTECTED] proftpd-1.3.0a]$ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/proftpd

./configure: line 88: conf4161.sh: Permission denied
./configure: line 89: conf4161.sh: Permission denied
chmod: cannot access `conf4161.sh': No such file or directory
./configure: line 201: conf4161.file: Permission denied
./configure: line 1266: config.log: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED] proftpd-1.3.0a]$

So, how to fix the problem ( Permission denied ) ?

Any solution for it ?



sure, make sure the same user/group that 'untarred' the tarball and owns
the files/folders is the one trying to run 'configure'

Craig
  

The directory "/usr/local/" is owned by root. The OP needs to have
root's permissions. He can use either sudo or su get get root's
permissions or use a target directory to which he has read and write
access.



does that matter though if all you are running is ./configure ?  I never
had a problem with that.

Craig

  
I believe this depends on what .configure does to determine what is 
needed to set up the configuration.  If the tests require creation of 
files etc. then you might encounter issues like this.


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avahi-autoipd error during yumex update

[Richard England]

Using yumex to update my F9 installation, this morning, and I 
encountered the following:


09:30:02 : Transaction Check Error:   file 
/etc/avahi/avahi-autoipd.action from install of 
avahi-autoipd-0.6.22-10.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package 
avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386
 file /usr/sbin/avahi-autoipd from install of 
avahi-autoipd-0.6.22-10.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package 
avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386
 file /usr/share/man/man8/avahi-autoipd.8.gz from install of 
avahi-autoipd-0.6.22-10.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package 
avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386


avahi-autoipd update is apparently brought in as a dependency of 
NetworkManager-0.7.0-11.svn4402.fc9.i386  update. 

When I look for the files indicated as being in conflict, I do not find 
them on my system.


Has anyone else encountered this?  Workarounds?  Causes?  The

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[solved] Re: avahi-autoipd error during yumex update

[Richard England]

Richard England wrote:
Using yumex to update my F9 installation, this morning, and I 
encountered the following:


09:30:02 : Transaction Check Error:   file 
/etc/avahi/avahi-autoipd.action from install of 
avahi-autoipd-0.6.22-10.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package 
avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386
 file /usr/sbin/avahi-autoipd from install of 
avahi-autoipd-0.6.22-10.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package 
avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386
 file /usr/share/man/man8/avahi-autoipd.8.gz from install of 
avahi-autoipd-0.6.22-10.fc9.i386 conflicts with file from package 
avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386


avahi-autoipd update is apparently brought in as a dependency of 
NetworkManager-0.7.0-11.svn4402.fc9.i386  update.
When I look for the files indicated as being in conflict, I do not 
find them on my system.


Has anyone else encountered this?  Workarounds?  Causes?  The

~~R



Why do you see the problem 30 seconds after you send the mail?

For some reason there were two versions of avahi installed  (it says 
that in the message ...duh...)


I ran 


rpm -e --noscripts avahi-0.6.17
rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
rpm --rebuilddb

Then updated NetManager  using yumex and it ran.

Sorry for the fire drill but maybe this will help someone else see the 
obvious symptoms in the future.


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Re: install the Korn SHELL program

[Richard England]

최용주 wrote:

Dear.
Actually I executed the same file on my former linux computer without any error 
message.
But I reinstalled the linux, then it occurred the error.
I attached the 'filter' and please check up.

Thank you

Best regards,

Yongjoo CHOI

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Greshko
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:56 AM
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: install the Korn SHELL program

Ed Greshko wrote:
  

./filter
  


Bash : ./filter:/bin/ksh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

 


What is the problem?


  

How did your create the script "filter"?  Did you create it on a windows
machine?  The "^M" at the end of the line seems suspicious.

  


Forgot to mention you should try...

dos2unix filter

and they try to execute filter again.

  


Have you verified that the Korn shell (/bin/ksh) really exists on your 
machine (was installed properly) and that it is in a location included 
in your PATH variable?


What happens if you enter the command 


$ /bin/ksh


In my case, I don't have ksh installed and I get:

$ /bin/ksh
bash: /bin/ksh: No such file or directory

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Re: Login sound -- library mode

[Richard England]

Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
Does anyone know how to silence F8 login sounds 
short of turning down login sounds and other audio
Tossing /usr/share/sounds/login.wav to the side 
seems to be sloppy.


It is the classic boot in a library or lecture hall 
problem but I do not see any easy 'designed' way 
to get there from here.


I would like all sounds do be well dialed back in 
such situations not just the login



  

System > Preference > Hardware > Sounds

Click on the Sounds tab at the top of the dialog,
Go to the bottom of the list and change the settings for "Log in:" to  
"no sound" in the selection box.

Make other adjustments as necessary.

The alternative is to change the  overall level of volume for "PCM" I 
believe.  I'd have to check.


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Re: gnash and swfdec won't work

[Richard England]

Martín Marqués wrote:

I have a problem with a specific flash, which are tutorials done in
presentations [1].

The thing is, flash-plugin (from adobe) shows the flash .swf ok (on an
older i386 computer), with sound and everything. gnash and swfdec
don't (on my new AMD64). gnash and swfdec shows OK videos from youtube
and one of the most important newspapers of Argentina [2].

What am I missing? Why does gnash show the youtube videos with sound
and everything, but not this powerpoint presentation[1]?

[1]: http://www.aulaclic.es/power2007/t_1_1.htm
[2]: http://videos.lanacion.com

  
If the link you are using to start the presentation is the one called 
"Inciar PowerPoint" with the animated video camera icon, it starts a 
javascript program.  Does your browser have javascript enabled?


You don't indicated with browser you are using but if it is Firefox, you 
might also enter  "about:plugins" to see what plugins are available. I 
can see the presentation and I show


   File name: libflashplayer.so
   Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68

Installed.

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Re: Beeping while running

[Richard England]

Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
Recently, one of my machines (running F8) has started beeping and I 
can't figure out the reason why.  After watching it this morning, I've 
noticed that every 30 minutes it seems to beep 20 times.  It almost 
sounds like a BIOS beep, but the machine has 177 days of uptime (and 
counting).  So, I'm wondering, what will cause 20 short beeps?  My 
wife describes it as almost sounding like a flute.  I figure its got 
to be a warning of some kind.  The motherboard is an ABit NF7-S2 with 
an AMD XP 2600+ CPU and 1.5GB of RAM (3 512MB sticks).




Maybe it's the back up signal.  After running forward for so many days 
it has to backup to make room to move forward again


Sorry,...couldn't help myself,...I'll crawl back in my hole, now.

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Re: CUPS "Unable to get printer status (Forbidden)!"

[Richard England]

Timothy Murphy wrote:

I'm trying to use a printer attached to a USB port
on a remote machine, but I get the above message.
I can access the computer in question with

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ telnet 192.168.2.2 631
Trying 192.168.2.2...
Connected to 192.168.2.2.
Escape character is '^]'.


I suspect the problem is that the printer is not found,
whatever name I give to it.
I see

[Job 66] Unable to get printer status (Forbidden)

in /var/log/cups/error_log on the client machine.

Any elucidation gratefully received.

  
cups (IPP) works through port 631 tcp (and udp ?).   Make certain they 
are not locked down.


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Re: A New fedora user question

[Richard England]

Tim wrote:

On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 11:21 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I ran into a situation with Firefox where I had an older version of
the Adobe flash plugin loaded and loaded a newer one thinking it would
over-write the old one.  It loaded in a new location and I ended up 
having two of them installed



How did you install them to get more than one?  I've not struck that
problem.  I installed the Flash player using the Adobe RPM, and update
it with "yum update", along with everything else.

  
That's a question I wish I knew the answer to.  I've suspected that it 
may have been drug along during and update but I'm certain.  To the best 
of my recollection, however, I simply installed two versions from Adobe. 
I have also wondered if they changed to install location but I've spent 
no time investigating.


I should really keep better logs on that machine.

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Re: A New fedora user question

[Richard England]

Tim wrote:

Tim:
  

How did you install them to get more than one?  I've not struck that
problem.  I installed the Flash player using the Adobe RPM, and update
it with "yum update", along with everything else.
      



Richard England:
  
That's a question I wish I knew the answer to.  I've suspected that it 
may have been drug along during and update but I'm certain.  To the best 
of my recollection, however, I simply installed two versions from Adobe. 
I have also wondered if they changed to install location but I've spent 
no time investigating.



Was your system a fresh install, or did you update one version of Fedora
to the next over the top?  Mine was a fresh install.  Over-the-top
installs sometimes make a mess of things.

  
This machine currently has F8 and I believe it was an upgrade from 7.   
Previous Flash (v9) was done before there was a yum repo, I believe.


If there are two versions installed and  old version is removed from the 
plugin files, then the new one will be "seen" and used. I just tested 
this out on my F9 machine.


I agree, the yum repo would be a better bet since yum will help you by 
replacing instead of just adding.


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Re: Create professional looking Invoices with Linux ?

[Richard England]

Kevin Kempter wrote:

Hi All;

anyone have suggestions per software or openoffice templates that will help me 
create professional looking invoices ?



Thanks in advance

  
OpenOffice 2.3 on my F8 system, and OpenOffice 2.4 on my F9 system both 
an invoice form available.  I don't believe I've added anything of that 
nature post install.


Look in File>New>Templates and Documents  In OO2.3  At that level there 
are two called Modern Invoice and Elegant Invoice.  In OO2.4 use the 
same pull down but click on the "Templates" group and there is an 
Invoice document there.


HTH,

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Re: Create professional looking Invoices with Linux ?

[Richard England]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 20:42 -0800, Richard England wrote:
  

Kevin Kempter wrote:


Hi All;

anyone have suggestions per software or openoffice templates that will help me 
create professional looking invoices ?



Thanks in advance

  
  
OpenOffice 2.3 on my F8 system, and OpenOffice 2.4 on my F9 system both 
an invoice form available.  I don't believe I've added anything of that 
nature post install.


Look in File>New>Templates and Documents  In OO2.3  At that level there 
are two called Modern Invoice and Elegant Invoice.  In OO2.4 use the 
same pull down but click on the "Templates" group and there is an 
Invoice document there.


HTH,

~~R



When I do what you indicate on OO2.4 I see no Invoices in the Templates.
Why is your version different or have to added a OO help program that I
don't have?
Can you explain?
  
Apparently not. 


In OO 2.4 I go to   File>New>Templates and Documents   and a pop-up appears.  
The choices there are   New Documents, Templates, My Documents, and Samples.If I 
click on Templates I see a  single Invoice selection available.

I also do not see a  File>New>Documents  pull down, as someone else reported.  I see Text 
Document,  HTML Document, XML Document and Master Document under the New entry.  I also see no 
references to "Biz Documents"

This is the Fedora version of v2.4, I've not loaded the OO version.  Perhaps 
there is a difference there.  This is also a former F8 machine that was 
upgraded using preupgrade.  Maybe there is something from a previous version 
lingering.


If any one can tell me how to determine if I have any other packages loaded for 
OO  I'll be glad to investigate but rpm did not show anything and I haven't 
found a place to identify plugins or add ons in any of the menus selections.

I think this thread is stepping past usefulness, at this point, but we can 
carry on if anyone _really_ needs to get to the bottom of this.

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F9 - F10 Upgrade Left only GRUB prompt

[Richard England]

I used preupgrade (1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch) to upgrade a Dell Latitude laptop 
from F9 to F10. Every thing seemed to go fine but on reboot I'm getting 
only a GRUB prompt.


The machine had a fresh F9 install (not an upgrade) and was fully up to 
date. 

Is this a case of grub.conf being out of wack or a naming issued with 
the disk partitions? I've been googling and found a couple of things to 
check out but I had to "abandon" the machine at work so I won't be able 
to get back to it until later in the week to get more details.


Any insight about what to look for or possible remedial actions would be 
most gratefully appreciated.


Thanks,

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Re: F9 - F10 Upgrade Left only GRUB prompt

[Richard England]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-- Original message --
From: Richard England <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  
I used preupgrade (1.0.0-1.fc9.noarch) to upgrade a Dell Latitude laptop 
from F9 to F10. Every thing seemed to go fine but on reboot I'm getting 
only a GRUB prompt.


The machine had a fresh F9 install (not an upgrade) and was fully up to 
date. 

Is this a case of grub.conf being out of wack or a naming issued with 
the disk partitions? I've been googling and found a couple of things to 
check out but I had to "abandon" the machine at work so I won't be able 
to get back to it until later in the week to get more details.


Any insight about what to look for or possible remedial actions would be 
most gratefully appreciated.


Thanks,

~~R



Hey Richard,
It's happened to me a few times in the past. Reinstall GRUB. If you don't know 
how to do it let me know and I'll post the instructions. If you look in the 
Fedora list archives, you'll find them there too since I've posted them before.
EJ


  

I'll investigate that.

Thanks for the tip.

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Re: F9 DOS attack

[Richard England]

Dave Feustel wrote:

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 02:25:26AM +1030, Tim wrote:
  

On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 06:54 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:


I spoke with a Comcast technician yesterday. He said there was nothing
Comcast could do and that the problem was that the 'bomber' was able
to get my ip address by scanning my system. That seems inconsistent to
me.
  

If you're chatting with your ISP, I'd ask them if it's just you being
flooded, or a range of their IP addresses.  Then you'll know if you're a
direct target.  If they can't work that out, they're hopeless.



I just tried whois 68.87.72.130 (the ip address in all the unsolicited
packets that were coming in) and that is a comcast ip address.
(something to do with 'jumpstart'. Does anyone know anything about this?

  

$ whois -vi 68.87.72.130
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-2 (NET-68-80-0-0-1)
 68.80.0.0 - 68.87.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. COMCAST-18 (NET-68-87-64-0-1)
 68.87.64.0 - 68.87.127.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-11-26 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


Ran this through   http://cqcounter.com/whois/   and got the following 
back.  Which makes this look like one of the Comcast DNS servers. No?


OrgName:Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. 
OrgID:  CMCS

Address:1800 Bishops Gate Blvd
City:   Mt Laurel
StateProv:  NJ
PostalCode: 08054
Country:US

NetRange:   68.80.0.0  - 68.87.255.255  
CIDR:   68.80.0.0/13 
NetName:JUMPSTART-2

NetHandle:  NET-68-80-0-0-1
Parent: NET-68-0-0-0-0
NetType:Direct Allocation
NameServer: DNS101.COMCAST.NET 

NameServer: DNS102.COMCAST.NET 

NameServer: DNS103.COMCAST.NET 

Comment:ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate:2002-01-28
Updated:2008-10-31

RTechHandle: IC161-ARIN
RTechName:   Comcast Cable Communications Inc 
RTechPhone:  +1-856-317-7200
RTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  


OrgAbuseHandle: NAPO-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:   Network Abuse and Policy Observance 
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-856-317-7272

OrgAbuseEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


OrgTechHandle: IC161-ARIN
OrgTechName:   Comcast Cable Communications Inc 
OrgTechPhone:  +1-856-317-7200

OrgTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


CustName:   Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
Address:1800 Bishops Gate Blvd
City:   Mt Laurel
StateProv:  NJ
PostalCode: 08054
Country:US
RegDate:2007-04-17
Updated:2007-04-17

NetRange:   68.87.64.0  - 68.87.127.255  
CIDR:   68.87.64.0/18 
NetName:COMCAST-18

NetHandle:  NET-68-87-64-0-1
Parent: NET-68-80-0-0-1
NetType:Reassigned
Comment:
RegDate:2007-04-17

Updated:2007-04-17

RTechHandle: IC161-ARIN
RTechName:   Comcast Cable Communications Inc 
RTechPhone:  +1-856-317-7200
RTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  


OrgAbuseHandle: NAPO-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:   Network Abuse and Policy Observance 
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-856-317-7272

OrgAbuseEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


OrgTechHandle: IC161-ARIN
OrgTechName:   Comcast Cable Communications Inc 
OrgTechPhone:  +1-856-317-7200

OrgTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-11-26 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.



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Re: F10 Crash on laptop Radeon 200M

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Christopher A. Williams wrote:

On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 11:44 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
  

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 12:02:13 -0500,
  Wade Hampton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Finally upgraded my Gateway laptop with ATI Radeon Express 200M video
to Fedora 10.  The computer now only stays up for a few minutes when X
is running, then locks up -- no keyboard, mouse, and display freezes.
I am not sure if I can ssh to it (not yet tested).  This is my wife's
laptop and has been running Fedora 6 and was VERY stable for several
years  Wife is not very happy at this point.  Note, I reported
this to RedHat bugzilla (and D. Jones at Redhat already had opened a
bug on this some time ago).

I also tried to get the non-free driver working but it won't build
with Fedora 10 yet.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this problem (this was sent
from XP on the same laptop),
  

It's probably worth disabling modesetting to see if that fixes the problem.
Either way a bug report is a good idea.



Ironically, as I was reading this thread, this exact thing happened to
me! X just totally froze up on my desktop. No keyboard, no mouse.
Nothing.

I did notice that the system clock at the top was still ticking seconds
away. Boy am I glad I changed _that_ setting. :) Otherwise I would have
thought the system was totally frozen.

I was able to use my laptop (also running F10) to ssh to the afflicted
desktop machine and reboot it from there.

I don't think this particular problem is a driver issue with ATI. My
desktop is currently running the RPMFusion nVidia drivers on a GeForce
7100 chip set. This more likely has to be X or some other related
component.

Since you already created it, let us know the Bugzilla number and I'll
add my info to it.

Cheers,

Chris

  
Several releases ago there were interactions with one of the screen 
savers.  I encountered this on a desk top with an nvidia card and 
disabled the more advance (complicated and visually interesting) 
versions and the problem went away.  I found that I could use the 
"blank" screen saver with out a problem. 

I've _not_ encountered this in F10 but it might be worth taking a look 
at the screensavers.  Sorry I don't have any more details.


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Re: F8 > F9 Preupgrade

[Richard England]

Frank Murphy wrote:

from terminal typed sudo preupgrade

When window opened F9 was not available as an upgrade option just F10.

ver: preupgrade-1.0.0-1.fc8

Frank


  
Believe you need to findpreupgrade-0.9.9-1.fc9.noarch   The version 
you have is specifically for F10


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Re: F10: too many Network headaches

[Richard England]

Andre Costa wrote:

Hi Marcelo,

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:47, Marcelo Magno T. Sales 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


Andre,

Em Dom 30 Nov 2008, Andre Costa escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed F10 on my system (replacing -- not upgrading -- a
> previous F9 installation). In general, installation went by just
> fine. However, setting up my network has been unbelievably hard.
>
> I have a DI-624 router, and I am using static IP (I turned its DHCP
> server off because it was rebooting when my wife's MacBook Pro
> connected). This setup has worked flawlessly with F9 and even F8.
>
> First weird symptom: NetworkManager refuses to allow me to edit
> settings for eth0. It doesn't ask me for any kind of authentication
> and simply shows all fields disabled. I don't know why it started
> doing this, because right after I booted for the first time I was
> able to edit it. Later on I disabled SELinux, don't know if this is
> related somehow. This is specially annoying because I can't
configure
> DNS servers this way, and must always edit /etc/resolv.conf
manually.
>
> Second weird symptom: System > Administration > Network Device
> Control didn't show any interfaces I could manage (maybe this is the
> correct behavior when NetworkManger is in charge, I don't know...)
>
> So, I turned NM off and switched back to plain system-config-network
> (which I'd rather not do, since I need to use NetworkManager every
> now and then to manage a GSM modem).
>
> To my surprise, even though I try to set my subnet mask to
> 255.255.255.0 , it was setting it to my IP
address (192.168.0.100 ), or
> sometimes to my gateway address (192.168.0.1
). I had to manually go
> through the files at /etc/sysconfig/network/ to fix this. Also,
s-c-n
> allowed me to create a copy of eth0 profile, but didn't allow me to
> remove it (had to do it manually as well).
>
> Right now everything is working just fine I guess, but if I reenable
> NM it screws things up again.
>
> AFAICS I'm probably experiencing many bugs at once (NM and s-c-n).
> Anyone experienced anything like this? Should I start filing bug
> reports?

It seems that, for using static IP address, it's indeed better to use
the old network daemon than NetworkManager. I had the same problem too
and have read many, many reports of similar ones on the net.
Regarding the system-config-network problem with the netmask, this is
already reported in Redhat's bugzilla and a new version of system-
config-network which solves the problem has already been push to
updates. It's not available for download yet, but should be in the
next
few days. For now, if you want to use static addresses, you need
to edit
the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth* files to correct the
netmask.

Thks for the info, indeed something is really broken with NM + static 
IP, I just can't make it work -- and, worst of all, it screws a 
working eth0 configuration. It's really a pity,  because I rely on NM 
to manage my non-eth0 connections, losing it will imply much more 
manual work. And, it was working on F9...
But, it doesn't help to keep moaning about it (aside from the fact 
that it sucks this got past QA =/ ), I'll file a bug report if one 
doesn't exist already and hope this gets fixed soon.
... I just searched Bugzilla and found this one, seems to be what I am 
experiencing:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473002
I'll leave a comment describing my problem hoping it will help 
catching attention to this problem.

Regards,
Andre


Did you all stop and disable the NetworkManager service before you 
enabled and started to try configure the network settings in the older 
manner?


chkconfig --level 012345 NetworkManger off

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Re: Next silly Q, ktorrent this time.

[Richard England]

Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 30 November 2008, g wrote:
  

Gene Heskett wrote:


I did the sha1sum on the burnt disk, it was good, but the dvd doesn't
autoboot in the machine I was going to put it on.  Ubuntu's Hardy Heron cd
does, in the same dvd reader. I haven't tried it here to see if it will
autoboot though, and should.
  

if sha1sum check is good, it should boot.

if box it will not boot in has old bios, then dvd may not be recognized,
while a cd is.


I just tried it with several other mixed dvd's and cd's that were supposedly 
bootable, and they all did, except the F10 dvd.  I just burnt another, same 
brand of media as the Fu9 I have installed on it, and from the same spindle 
of HP dvd-r disks, just for grins.  And it won't boot in that drive either.

The bios does look at the disk, it just doesn't like what it sees I guess.

  

when box boots, press  to hold bios notice and write it down.
check mainboard site for bios upgrade.



This bios ignores that, I had a hell of a time catching it and memorizing it.

Phoenix Bios 6.0.D.  The box is old, 1Ghz athlon.>
  

Down with a cold, I haven't really felt like doing a whole lot.
  

take 2 aspirin, 2 sudafed, and a pint of bourbon. may not help rid your
cold, but your nose will not be running and you really will not mind.



I learned decades ago, that when I mix alcohol with a cold, its an instant 
strept throat & 2 weeks on Erythromycin 500's, 3x/day.


  

some drawer and door handles for an entertainment center I'm building
yesterday,
  

mythtv?



Naw, just a place for all her media, a 42" tv, the tuner/amp, dvd player and 
somewhere along the line a decent turntable so I can rip about 300 pounds of 
12" lp's accumulated over a 34 year period of teaching primary school kids 
something about music.  8 drawers in the bottom of it, 2 big enough for lp's 
on edge. I don't think they will hold them all either, but...
  

but my shop has very little heat and the current temp is about 2C.
Being diabetic, that equals some darned cold feet. :(
  

lay cardboard on floor where working.



Don't have any that big, but I have noted that a layer of wood chips from the 
planer or jointer sure help.  Then the missus wanders in and ask's me when am 
I going to clean this mess up. ;)p  I don't think she connects the sawdust to 
the slowly dwindling stack of cherry, and the slowly growing piece of 
furniture.  Sorta like carving a big block of granite into an elephant, you 
hammer and chisel away that which is not part of an elephant.  Eventually, 
somebody has got to run a broom or vacuum.  Two vacs in there, but tied to 
the saw and sander ATM. And the next time I dump them will overflow a 
contractor cleanup bag, the big black ones.


  
even if you are not bald headed, where 
a knit cap. cardboard helps keep coldness away from feet. cap stops body

heat from rapid escape from brain area. :o)



You will usually find me in a tan confederate style cap, you can't get the 
sawdust out of a knit.  Slap this one on your knee and its as good as new. :)

Same on I was in last summer while building this garage, see at:



That is this box.

Humm, I think I've wandered off topic again, blame it on a senior moment or 
whatever.


  

Thanks again.
  

my glad.


later.


peace out.

tc,hago.

g
.


in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
**
to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it;
to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look at* it.
**
learn linux:
'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'  
http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project'  
http://www.tldp.org/

'LDP HOWTO-index'   http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html
'HowtoForge'   http://howtoforge.com/






  

...and I was looking forward to seeing a picture of Gene

http://gene.homelinux.net:85   gives be the Apache test page, 


but neither
   http://gene.homelinux.net:85/Gene
nor
   http://gene.homelinux.net:85/Gene/Genes-Web-pages.html

Give me anything but  an error page saying:

   Not Found
   The requested URL /Gene/Genes-Web-pages.html was not found on this 
server.

   Apache/2.2.9 (Fedora) Server at gene.homelinux.net Port 85

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Re: Setting the fonts of X applications

[Richard England]

Paul Smith wrote:

Dear All,

Where can one set the fonts of the X applications (e.g., xmessage)?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

  
Check out the documentations and see if "xmessasge" will utilize any 
configuration directives placed in ~/.Xdefaults.  Most well behaved X 
applications will recognize some configuration view .Xdefaults.


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Re: Book Readers (E-Books) w.r.t. Fedora Interoperation

[Richard England]

Wendell Nichols wrote:
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:01 AM, jack wallen 
wrote:

Frank Murphy wrote:
   

Looking for user experiences with e-book readers.
Against maybe buying a 7" netbook for same purpose.

Trying to cut down on space use\Paper book purchases.

  
well, i got a kindle for father's day. it was given to me a few days 
ago

and i LOVE it. AND it runs Linux. they are about the same price as a
netbook but your eyes won't start aching after hours of reading.



While the kindle isn't ideal in terms of openness, if you want a
dedicated device for reading ebooks it is very nice in some important
ways. The display is far superior to any LCD based device in my
opinion and if you turn off the wireless the battery lasts an amazing
amount of time. You can download a vast number of ebooks in various
formats from amazon and several other places. If you only want to read
books from Project Gutenberg or other non-amazon choices that is fine
too. The biggest functional weakness of the device as a book reader is
its incredibly limited organizational capabilities.

I've used FBReader for several years on Nokia Internet Tablets
(N770,N800) and have been very happy with it also if you prefer
reading on a smaller display. While the brightness of the LCD does
tire your eyes faster not having to scan left to right compensates to
a degree.

I haven't ever been a fan of reading ebooks on larger displays really
so don't have any useful experience on notebooks or desktops.

John

  
I await the delivery of the Plastic Logic reader early next year with 
baited breath :) http://www.plasticlogic.com/


This device represents a 10x improvement over all other readers in 
terms of size, weight, energy requirements and flexability.

wcn

Does it handle ODF documents, though?  The date at the web page does not 
indicate that it does.


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Re: Tools to work with a Sansa

[Richard England]

Steve Snyder wrote:

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:09:55 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
  

I just got a Sansa 4Gb Connect MP3.  This is audio and video.

I am running FC10 and Gnome on an Asus 701.

I plug the sansa in with its special USB cable and I show a USB
device but it is not accessable.



The Sansa devices can be configured in 2 USB modes.  By default they 
are configured such that they appear to be a media device to MS 
Windows.  You want the other mode, it which the Sansa appears to be a 
storage device.  That's configured in the Sansa's Settings section.


  

I have tried to add the Disk Mounter tool to the panel, but when I
click on add, nothing happens.

So perhaps multiple things are going wrong here.

But what tool would I use to move music, pics, and videos to the
Sansa?



When I plug in my Sansa, I am informed (on my KDE desktop) that a new 
device has been plugged in.  I opt to mount that device.  Then it is a 
simple matter to copy files to /media/SANSA_CLIP/PODCASTS/ (or 
whatever).  When the Sansa is disconnected it automatically re-indexes 
the files stored on it.  Then they are available via the on-screen menu 
selection.


FYI, the Sansa firmware is updated the same way: just copy the firmware 
file to the root of the device's filesystem.  No need for Sandisk's 
Win32 application.


  

Steve,
Where do you find the firmware updates that are _not_ in the form or a 
*.exe file?


Or is there some way to break the components out of the *.exe?

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Re: Tools to work with a Sansa

[Richard England]

Richard England wrote:

Steve Snyder wrote:

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:09:55 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 

I just got a Sansa 4Gb Connect MP3.  This is audio and video.

I am running FC10 and Gnome on an Asus 701.

I plug the sansa in with its special USB cable and I show a USB
device but it is not accessable.



The Sansa devices can be configured in 2 USB modes.  By default they 
are configured such that they appear to be a media device to MS 
Windows.  You want the other mode, it which the Sansa appears to be a 
storage device.  That's configured in the Sansa's Settings section.


 

I have tried to add the Disk Mounter tool to the panel, but when I
click on add, nothing happens.

So perhaps multiple things are going wrong here.

But what tool would I use to move music, pics, and videos to the
Sansa?



When I plug in my Sansa, I am informed (on my KDE desktop) that a new 
device has been plugged in.  I opt to mount that device.  Then it is 
a simple matter to copy files to /media/SANSA_CLIP/PODCASTS/ (or 
whatever).  When the Sansa is disconnected it automatically 
re-indexes the files stored on it.  Then they are available via the 
on-screen menu selection.


FYI, the Sansa firmware is updated the same way: just copy the 
firmware file to the root of the device's filesystem.  No need for 
Sandisk's Win32 application.


  

Steve,
Where do you find the firmware updates that are _not_ in the form or a 
*.exe file?


Or is there some way to break the components out of the *.exe?

Thanks,
~~R


To answer myself, see:

http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=clip&thread.id=10534

in case the next person needs it.  Instructions and code worked 
perfectly for a new Sansa Clip.  (and it now handles FLAC and OGG)


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Re: Extending Expiration Date of an Already-Expired GPG Key

[Richard England]

Robert L Cochran wrote:

How do I fix this -- I'm using Thunderbird on Fedora 7 on my desktop
machine. However, I travel a fair amount and when I do, I tar up my
.thunderbird directory and scp it to my laptop, which is running Fedora
10. That lets me download and filter my email with the same mail client,
although different versions of it.

When I return home from my trip I then tar up the .thunderbird directory
on the laptop and scp it back to the desktop.

I wonder if this habit contributed to the word wrapping which then
locked up Anne's machine.

I suppose I had better do something about updating my desktop OS...and
do it soon.
  

  

Bob,

This is not related to the PGP issues being discussed but I thought you 
might like to take a look at a tool called Unison.  It is a file 
synchronizer.  I've been using it for some time in a fashion similar to 
what you describe and it makes the process quite easy.  I believe it is 
in the Fedora repository..


BOL,
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Re: Setting gnome-terminal default size

[Richard England]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
Is there any way to make gnome-terminal have a default size of (say) 
90 wide x 30 high, rather than the system default of 80x24?  I am
getting tired of setting the size every time I start the system.  


Thanks - jon

  


For gnome,  go to
   System > Preferences > Personal > Preferred Applications

Select the "System" tab, Change the terminal emulator from "GNOME 
terminal" to "Custom"  and then change the command to

   gnome-terminal  --geometry 90x30
or whatever size settings you like.

HTH

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Re: printing from gvim

[Richard England]

Michael Hennebry wrote:


When printing a two-page file from gvim,
it gives me a 3/4 inch margin at the top
(I measured) and overflow at the bottom.
A line is missing between the pages.
How do I fix this?
When I print a CUPS test page, the margins are in the range 0.1 to 0.2 
inch.

vim's default printer options are 5% for the top and bottom margins.
That shouldn't be a problem.  Something seems to be shifting things down.
What am I missing?

[r...@localhost a2ps]# uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.27.12-78.2.8.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 
19 20:14:35 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux



You might want to take a look at:

  http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/print.html

or specifically at:

  http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/print.html#popt-option

looking at the margin settings that can be controlled via the popt-opt  
settings  in your .vimrc or .gvimrc file.


I believe that vim will created a postscript file when used on a Linux 
system



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Re: Rogue package

[Richard England]

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:


   I have an FC10 system that has kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586 
installed, yet yum nor rpm seem to think it is.  It's in grub.conf, 
there are files in /usr/src/kernels/ pertaining to it ... but I can't 
remove it.


   The system is running kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 so I 
don't need the other one.  How do I go about instructing yum that it's 
installed and to remove it, if it tells me the package isn't installed?


How was the kernel installed?  The rpm database probably does not know 
about the kernel if rpm (or yum) was not used to install it.


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Re: Rogue package

[Richard England]

Richard England wrote:

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:


   I have an FC10 system that has kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i586 
installed, yet yum nor rpm seem to think it is.  It's in grub.conf, 
there are files in /usr/src/kernels/ pertaining to it ... but I can't 
remove it.


   The system is running kernel-2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 so I 
don't need the other one.  How do I go about instructing yum that 
it's installed and to remove it, if it tells me the package isn't 
installed?


How was the kernel installed?  The rpm database probably does not know 
about the kernel if rpm (or yum) was not used to install it.


~~~R

If rpm was used to install, I wonder if rebuilding the rpm database 
might help?



rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
#db_verify /var/lib/rpm/Packages
#rpm --rebuilddb

Some one else might be along with more insight

~~R

P.S. Note that __db* has two underscores...

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Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

[Richard England]

Mark Haney wrote:

Timothy Murphy wrote:

  

I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant
that just connects on bootup.
I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse.




But, they have that feature already. It's the way network interfaces
have started for a decade.  Why bother with NM at all when starting the
interface on boot is what 99% of people need anyway?

As for the arguments about wireless connectivity, how many people
actually move between wireless connections?  If you do it might be only
between 2, home and work.

NM sucks, everyone knows it, so let's can it and move to something that
doesn't.


  
NM works fine for me on my laptop and I regularly move between 4 
different wireless connections.


It may suck for you but it works great for me.   "...so let's can [this 
thread] and move to something [else more productive]", eh?


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Re: Can't Reset gnome-keyring Password?

[Richard England]

rgheck wrote:


For some time now, my daughter's been having a problem with her WPA key:
NM asks for it every time she logs on. I seem to have figured out why,
more or less. Let me say that she's using LXDE under F10 on an Eee 901.

When trying to debug something else, I reset her password to what it
originally was when I set up her account, and suddenly everything
worked. I changed it to something else, and it didn't work; changed it
back, and then it did again. So I ran Settings>Passwords, etc, or
whatever it is, and there was a button that said something like "Reset
keyring password". Unfortunately, clicking that button just got me an
error message, something like "Unable to reset keyring password". Very
helpful.

Any ideas?

rh




One solution might be to move or remove  ~/.gnome2/keyrings directory.   Or 
perhaps just the login.keyring file, therein and enter the new password when 
prompted.  Not elegant but functional

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Re: weather report applet dead again?

[Richard England]

Matthew Saltzman wrote:

On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 11:17 +0200, jamesh0317 wrote:
  

I am having the same problem as you Bob. I am using the same version
of the gweather-applet. 



I've noticed some flakiness as well, but it seems to come and go.
  

A simple, if inelegant, workaround until the problem is fixed by the
developers/maintainers is to execute "killall gnome-panel" in a
terminal after the wireless network connection is made.



I've just re-selected the location in the applet preferences, and that
seems to re-connect it.

  

I also have the same problem with the clock weather applet. I check
the box in preferences to "show weather" and "show temperature" but it
never shows.



Did you set the default location in the calendar pop-down?

  



I'm coming in very late on this thread, but what location is being set 
by those folks having difficulties with the weather?


I find that if I set my location with my Lat./Long.  I don't see the 
weather, but if I set it by a major city I get some selections suggested 
and those suggestions I've chosen have worked.  Maybe not be the case 
for all but my very short test failed to find one that didn't work for 
weather if I selected one of the suggested sites.


Obviously YMMV.

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Re: Chown ???

[Richard England]

Rick Stevens wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:19 -0400, Jim wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:

Jim wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 15:27 +, g wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


ttys

'b-'. you did not answer which model and usage of paper. :)

asr33, paper scroll :-)
ASR33s also had the paper tape punch and reader.  KSR33s did 
not.  I had both hooked up to my Altair 8800 back in '77 via 110 
baud, 20mA current

loop serial interfaces.

Ah, memories!


ASR33 on  a Altair, that far back, You must be at least 100,

Smart*ss!  Nah, I was in college (sophmore).

I started out on a RCA 1802 8 bit and I still have it.  I modified 
it to
work on S100 bus so I could get more memory , 64k , man you were 
top dog with that kind of memory.
Only had 56K (seven 8KB RAM cards) and a nice 8K EPROM board (had 
1702A

PROMS on it) holding a monitor program.
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I don't think anything has had a fast pace change like the Computer.
Then you had to really get into the nuts and bolts of a computer to 
get one working.

I also still have a dual 8" floppy drive that was big back then.
I can remember when the 3 1/2, 1.4mb floppy first came boy did that 
make a big difference.


Dear me, all you youngsters prattling on about these new-fangled
"microprocessors". The first system I managed was a PDP-11/45.


Got ya beat.  First managed a Univac (can't recall the model), moved to
an S/360, Burroughs Medium System 12, Xerox Sigma 7, DG Nova 2/10, DEC
PDP-8, PDP-11/45 and VAX 11/785, THEN got the Altairs and IMSAIs (and
Amigas and clones and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!).

And now, back to the real topic.  (What was it again? I forget...)
-- Rick

I always preferred the CDC 6600 to the Univac. But some procurement 
wienie got taken on a golf outing by a salesman and suddenly we had to 
convert everything to Univac.


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Re: Installing Moonlight?

[Richard England]

Matthew Saltzman wrote:

On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 11:31 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
  

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:26:40 -0400
Matthew Saltzman wrote:



I downloaded the file novell-moonlight-1.0.1-x86_64.xpi, which is a zip
archive, but I'm not sure what to do with its contents.  Anyone know the
answer?
  

An xpi file is a Firefox plugin.  I have never looked at that particular one,
but Firefox has a built-in ability to install xpi files -- just click on the
file and it will give you the opportunity to install it.  After installing, you
can remove or disable it from the Firefox tools menu.



Ah, good point.  That worked to get the plugin installed, but the site
seems to require Silverlight 2...


  

Complain to the site maintainer.

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Re: Editor to program in C

[Richard England]

Dave Ihnat wrote:

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:34:09PM +0100, Chris Jones wrote:
  

Emacs is my editor of choice, and I disagree it has a learning curve.
...

vi on the other hand ;)



Aw, crud.  I've dealt with this stupid war for 28 years.

And just to throw gas on the fire--so I'm not pacifist, sue me--I still
think Emacs is overblown for an editor.  A comment I made about Emacs
about '82 or so on Usenet was, "If I wanted an operating system, I'd
get one.  Emacs has everything except the kitchen sink."

And someone pointed out the icon for Emacs was...well, guess.

Another valid comment about Emacs back then:  "Put your coffee cup on
the keyboard and roll it around; it will hit keys that all do
*something*."  (Problem was, probably nothing you wanted.)

Hey, strokes for folks--the great thing about Unix/Linux was summed up
in another quote from those long-ago days:

  Unix doesn't just let you shoot yourself in the foot.  It asks you
  what caliber you want.

Cheers,
--
Dave "No fancy quote; I'm tired.  Where's my martini?" Ihnat
dih...@dminet.com

  

Quote picked up somewhere:

"emacs is a fine operating system, all it lacks is a good editor"

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Re: How to determine if a file is in use

[Richard England]

On 11/03/2009 01:31 PM, Donald Russell wrote:

Another system uses FTP to drop files in a directory for me to process.
I have a bash script to process the incoming files. The script is 
started by cron periodically.


There's a problem if the FTP transfer is still in progress because the 
process begins reading the file even though it isn't complete yet.


From a bash script, is there a way to tell if the file is still being 
written to?
I was looking at the lsof command, which will tell me if the file is 
opened or not, so that's a possibility... but it sure seems awkward 
for the task.


I could also configure the ftp server to lock files being written, but 
that seems to be discouraged. (based on man vsftpd.conf)


Basically, what I want is something like
Can I get an exclusive read on file x?
No - skip that file, go onto the next one
Yes - start processing that file
(I'm not concerned about the possible race condition there... I have 
other protections for that)


Thanks for any suggestions...





Perhaps "fuser" might be of use?

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Re: ISo disck for fedora 12

[Richard England]

On 11/28/2009 04:36 PM, Alex Bahoor wrote:

Hi,
I'm trying to install fedora 12 on a laptop. I don'wloaded the image, 
however, not sure which part of the image must be burnt in as iso. can 
some one please send me a pointer?

thx,
Alex


http://docs.fedoraproject.org/installation-quick-start-guide/f12/en-US/html/Burn_the_image_file_to_CD.html

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F12 Wireless disabled with kernel 2.6.31.6-162

[Richard England]

pro/wireless 2200BG in a Dell Latitude D410. F12 Fully updated (as of 7 
December).


With Kernel 2.6.31.6-162.fc12.i686  the wireless is completely 
disabled.  This was the latest kernel installed.


Backing down to kernel 2.6.31.6-145.fc12.i686  everything returns to 
normal.  This was the immediately preceding kernel I had.


Any one confirm this?  I looked for a BZ entry but I'm notoriously bad 
at finding things there


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