Re: snip extraneous quotes from your posts to the list, dammit

[Robert L Cochran]

Here in the USA, I do not need to be ashamed for having a different view 
and a different way of doing things. I can have my own beliefs and 
practices.


When you resort to threats of no help to me unless I toe the line you 
dictate to me, you illustrate what I'm getting at.


It takes people with many different views to make a good product. If I 
banned everyone from my workplace who doesn't think as I do, then I'd be 
standing in the building alone. With nothing to show for it.


Bob


On 09/13/2009 10:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

Guidelines are voluntary.

 

So is providing help on the list. Not following the guidelines is a
good way to limit those willing to help you.

   

I don't crucify, burn at stake, hang, dismember or torture other list
people for doing things differently. We do not live in the 1400s any
longer.

Bob

 

I guess politeness has also gone out of style. Guidelines are to let
people know the way they are expected to behave in this community.
After all, things like changing you cloths, washing, etc are
voluntary. But you will have a hard time fitting in in most parts of
the world if this is the way you conduct yourself.

Mikkel
   


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Re: snip extraneous quotes from your posts to the list, dammit

[Robert L Cochran]

Guidelines are voluntary.

I don't crucify, burn at stake, hang, dismember or torture other list 
people for doing things differently. We do not live in the 1400s any longer.


Bob



On 09/13/2009 10:00 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 09:52 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

Do you give out tickets and fines, jail terms and excommunication for
the crime of posting?
 

Have you actually read the list guidelines (including the part about not
top-posting)?

poc

   


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Re: snip extraneous quotes from your posts to the list, dammit

[Robert L Cochran]

Do you give out tickets and fines, jail terms and excommunication for 
the crime of posting?


Bob


On 09/13/2009 02:06 AM, Tim wrote:

Snip extraneous quotes from your posts to the list, dammit!  (You, and
everyone else doing this.)

It's a pain to read stuff when there's three pages of stuff that just
isn't needed in a message, and has to be scrolled past to find the
reply.

It's a waste of everyone's time, bandwidth, and storage space.  You're
not paying for any of that, including the list server's, so don't make
things more expensive for those that are.


   


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Resetting File and Directory Permissions To Original Values

[Robert L Cochran]

While trying to fix a problem where users of the Fedora version of 
Wordpress are unable to upload images using the Wordpress screens and 
code, I spent a lot of time modifying file and directory permissions in 
/usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/*, trying various combinations 
of user-group-other permissions and ownerships in a vain attempt to get 
uploads to work in this way. The problem has since been fixed by 
modifying SELinux file contexts.


Now I'm left with a lot of permissions in /usr... that are no longer set 
to the original permissions and ownerships held by those files and 
folders. Is there an automated way of resetting the permissions back to 
what they once were for all except the uploads directory in question?


Is there a dictionary available that lists the exact permissions that 
should be on every file and folder in /usr?


Thanks

Bob Cochran

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Re: Kernel update to 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.x86_64 issues

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm using the same kernel on:

0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5300 AGN 
[Shiloh] Network Connection

Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 1121
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5
Memory at f1ffe000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
Capabilities: 
Kernel driver in use: iwlagn
Kernel modules: iwlagn

which is wireless, and I have no problem whatsoever. By the way, the 
above is the output of `lspci -vb` in a terminal window.


As to sound,

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)

Subsystem: Dell Device 0233
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at f6fdc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable)
Capabilities: 
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel

that gives the highly specific information needed. Being deaf, I don't 
actually know if sound works on my computer, nor do I care.


Bob



On 09/07/2009 05:00 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

On 09/07/2009 01:04 PM, Jason Turning wrote:
I did the update to kernel 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.x86_64 today, noticed 
there were
updates to pulse audio, and when I rebooted wireless didn't work and 
I heard
these loud sound pops, one at boot, one at login, so I just reverted 
back to

the previous kernel. Anyone having similar issues?


What wireless chip do you have? We need more info besides "it doesn't 
work." :)




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Wordpress Permissions For Image Uploads

[Robert L Cochran]

I installed the Fedora package of wordpress and promptly created a user 
account for myself and tried to upload a photo to my first post. The 
upload keeps failing due to permissions problems. Wordpress wants to 
upload (via php scripts) to


/usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09.

I think I need to change /usr/share/wordpress to allow the user apache 
group ownership:


chown -R root.apache /usr/share/wordpress

then give group write and execute permissions for /usr/share/wordpress 
and all its subdirectories:


chmod -R g+wx /usr/share/wordpress.

Are there any Wordpress users out there with advice for me about whether 
this makes sense?


Thanks

Bob


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Re: Enabling Tabs On Mediawiki

[Robert L Cochran]

On 09/04/2009 08:16 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Robert L Cochran  wrote:
<...snip...>
   

Aldo, thank you for making me aware of this. I'm going to work on installing
from the Mediawiki source just as you have. As I want to try to save the one
wiki page that I've spent hours working on, I'm going back up my database
and configuration files and see if I can treat this as an "upgrade". That
requires an AdminSettings.php file to be present in the wiki root. There is
an /usr/share/mediawiki/AdminSettings.sample which can be copied to the wiki
root. The file is needed for scripts in the maintenance directory to run. I
didn't know any of these details until I started looking at the "upgrade"
page here:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading

I will let you know how things go. I'll also file bugs as needed to get this
issue of no tabs resolved in the Fedora version of mediawiki. Perhaps some
needed installation files were left out of the binaries.

Bob
 



I like the "Alternative 2: Re-run the installer". Since I know
the usernames, passwords and initial dbase name it could be
as simple as re-typing them. I'll try to find some time and rerun
my install just to test this. It could be a lifesaver for a
future upgrade.

Who knows... perhaps there is a yum package in some repo to add tabs.
The manual method is just not efficient compared to installing from source.

BTW, thanks for that link to the manual upgrade.

~af
   


Hi Aldo,

I figured out the problem and got the beautiful Mediawiki "Monobook" 
skin to finally show up, using the Fedora-packaged mediawiki code. The 
key to solving the problem was constantly checking out 
/var/log/httpd/error_log, which hundreds if not thousands of entries 
like these:


[Sat Sep 05 02:25:05 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not 
exist: /var/www/html/w/skins/common, referer: 
http://deafeng3.signtype.info/wiki/Main_Page
[Sat Sep 05 02:25:05 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not 
exist: /var/www/html/w/skins/common, referer: 
http://deafeng3.signtype.info/wiki/Main_Page


I'm running httpd -- the Apache web server. This message means the 
server couldn't find a file being requested. In this case, it was trying 
to fetch the stuff needed to show the default Monobook skin. My document 
root is /var/www/html, and within that, I set up the wiki root which is 
/var/www/html/w. Inside that is an empty directory named 'skins'. And 
httpd couldn't find skins/common.


With more reading of documentation, I realized something was wrong with 
my /etc/httpd/conf.d/mediawiki.conf file. Specifically, my Alias 
statements were not set up correctly. Here is the Alias statement that 
fixes the error messages above:


Alias /w/skins /usr/share/mediawiki/skins

After which running

apachectl configtest
service httpd restart

magically got the beautiful Monobook skin to work!

The next step was to get Short URLs to work. That meant reading this 
MediaWiki article:


http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Short_URL

and adding these lines to LocalSettings.php in /var/www/html/w :

# Virtual path. This directory MUST be different from the one used in 
$wgScriptPath

$wgArticlePath  = "/wiki/$1";
# Enable use of pretty URLs
$wgUsePathInfo  = true;


I put these right below this line:

$wgScriptPath   = "/w";

And then I needed one more Alias entry in /etc/httpd/conf.d/mediawiki.conf:

Alias /wiki /var/www/html/w/index.php

Save the file, test the configuration, restart httpd, and pow! URLs like 
this should work:


http://localhost/wiki/Chigger_Bites

I hope this helps you. I think these changes now allow what I want to 
see. I've learned a thing or two about Mediawiki and Apache, and also of 
backing up my wiki files properly.


Oh, a few final bits. Every time you see a reference to giving the 
webserver write access to some resource, that means basically doing this:


chown apache.apache /path/to/file

Be careful that AdminSettings.php is not world-readable if you create it 
in your wiki root.


Thanks

Bob

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Re: Enabling Tabs On Mediawiki

[Robert L Cochran]

On 09/04/2009 06:08 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Robert L Cochran  wrote:
   

I recently installed mediawiki-1.15.1. I would like to get those nice tabs
that you see at the top of this page for "Manual", "Discussion", etc:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Site_customization

Currently my Main Page shows no tabs. How do I enable them? Do I need to
edit /usr/share/mediawiki/skins/monobook/main.css? Or do I need to edit
Monobook.css? I don't seem to have a file of that name for my mediawiki
installation:

 

<...snip...>
__

When I first tried mediawiki, I installed via yum and used their
instructions[1] to add tab functionality.

Tab navigation is added, but nowhere near the looks of the
web link you provide as example. So I didn't like it and opted
to install from source.
The installation from source gives you the looks and feel to
which you refer. It looks *much* better.

I have no idea what why the yum install does not have a better
looking end product.  Source install looks like the wikimedia homepage.

~af

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Header_Tabs
   
Aldo, thank you for making me aware of this. I'm going to work on 
installing from the Mediawiki source just as you have. As I want to try 
to save the one wiki page that I've spent hours working on, I'm going 
back up my database and configuration files and see if I can treat this 
as an "upgrade". That requires an AdminSettings.php file to be present 
in the wiki root. There is an /usr/share/mediawiki/AdminSettings.sample 
which can be copied to the wiki root. The file is needed for scripts in 
the maintenance directory to run. I didn't know any of these details 
until I started looking at the "upgrade" page here:


http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading

I will let you know how things go. I'll also file bugs as needed to get 
this issue of no tabs resolved in the Fedora version of mediawiki. 
Perhaps some needed installation files were left out of the binaries.


Bob


so what I'm getting at is the Fedora

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Enabling Tabs On Mediawiki

[Robert L Cochran]

I recently installed mediawiki-1.15.1. I would like to get those nice 
tabs that you see at the top of this page for "Manual", "Discussion", etc:


http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Site_customization

Currently my Main Page shows no tabs. How do I enable them? Do I need to 
edit /usr/share/mediawiki/skins/monobook/main.css? Or do I need to edit 
Monobook.css? I don't seem to have a file of that name for my mediawiki 
installation:


[r...@deafeng3 w]# locate *Monobook.css
/usr/share/doc/testdisk-doc-6.11/doc/Monobook.css

Here is what I have currently installed:

Installed Packages
mediawiki.x86_64   
1.15.1-48.fc11
mediawiki-Cite.noarch 0-0.4.20080901svn.fc11 

mediawiki-math.x86_64   
1.15.1-48.fc11
mediawiki-nomath.x86_64   
1.15.1-48.fc11


Thanks

Bob


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Re: Question on shredding a terebyte drive

[Robert L Cochran]

After reading the entire thread, and watching the video, here is what 
I'd do.


Put the drive in a safe.

Go buy a new drive, and make use of it.

Drop the warranty claim even though it is valid. The company will save 
money in the end.


In about 10 years, or whenever the corporate data on the drive is deemed 
obsolete and nonsensitive, hold a Corporate Smash Day in which this 
drive and others are given to budding young technologists supplied with 
sledgehammers and other tools. Offer an all-expenses paid dinner to 
whoever reduces the drives to the smallest pieces.


Bob




On 09/02/2009 04:32 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote:

I have a terebyte sata drive that I need to securely wipe clean.  It
originally had 2 partitions.  I deleted them using `fdisk', rebooted,
and then as root ran

 shred -vz /dev/sdd

The drive is capable of about 60MB/sec, but shred is only "shredding"
about 25MB every 5 seconds according to its output.  Since the default
number of passes is 25, this works out to about 5 days.

The `shred' process is running at 100% CPU, presumably computing
the special random patterns for erasure.  Since I have 4 CPUs
would creating 4 unformatted partions on the drive and then running
something like:

shred -vz /dev/sdd1
shred -vz /dev/sdd2
shred -vz /dev/sdd3
shred -vz /dev/sdd4

in parallel cut my time?  Would be just as secure?

Thanks
Dean

   


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Re: So far I am not impressed with F11

[Robert L Cochran]

Are you really up-to-date with your Fedora 11 system? Firefox is now at 
3.5.2 and you are talking about 3.1.1. You might want to look into that. 
I'm using Firefox 3.5.2 on Fedora 11 x86_64 and have no problems with 
YouTube. I watch YouTube and Vimeo videos just fine. If your system is 
behind on updates, I recommend doing a full update. If you are worried 
about the size of updates, install yum-presto first and then do a full 
update. Presto will download much smaller *.drpm packages if possible 
for your base of installed packages.


Are you sure your sound hardware is plugged in and really working? For 
example you don't have a stereo jack that's not all the way in? It is 
very easy to overlook hardware issues and blame it all on the software.


Bob


On 09/02/2009 02:38 PM, Randall J. Berry wrote:
So far F11 has been nothing short of a pain for me. I have had more 
issues with this one release than I have for all of the preceding 
releases combined.


The issues begin with sound, at any given moment for apparently no 
reason all sound including system sounds turn to static.  This has 
been an issue since day one of my fresh install of F11 and I have yet 
to find a reason for it. I also had the same issue with F10 which is 
why I skipped F10 on the machine in question and waited for F11. I 
have asked countless times for help on this issue and gotten no 
feedback I can't be the only person having this trouble. The only cure 
is a reboot and even then it's only a temporary fix because its sure 
to happen again even after periods of time when the computer has been 
left idle doing nothing.


Next comes the issues with streaming audio or video. Since the update 
of Firefox 3.1 to 3.1.1 all streaming media (youtube and the like) 
played through the browser crashes at random points within the stream 
usually locking up the browser for a period of time and the 
audio/video does not return to normal. I tried to uninstall Firefox 
3.1.1 and reinstall Firefox 3.1 but that did not work Firefox simply 
ceased to work.


Then comes the issues with the power save feature. After the specified 
idle time when the monitor goes to sleep it will not come back with 
any activity via the mouse or keyboard. The only solution seems to be 
a blind reboot. Defeating all power saving features is the only work 
around for this issue. Not a fix, but at least the system is still 
functional.


And last but not least the most recent issue which began last night 
when rebooting due to the previously mentioned sound issue. Which is 
that at random gnome panel now refuses to load on user accounts. The 
system reboots to a normal desktop except no system tray and any panel 
function ceases to operate leaving the desktop virtually unusable. I 
have done nothing to the system that would cause this to happen.


I'm at my wits end with F11 as I seem to be the only one with these 
issues. If anyone has any idea what is going on please feel free to 
fill me in. I'll gladly file bugs if I knew what to file the bugs 
against but so far these issues appear without leaving any trace as to 
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Re: KDE clock settings

[Robert L Cochran]

Does the setting show up when you do this as root?

Bob



On 08/31/2009 08:52 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little
box
that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand
UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System -->
Administration -->  Date and Time application, click the Time Zone
tab,
uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into
your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That
should
fix things.
 

Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box
doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date
and Time.)

poc

   


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Re: Am I being punished?

[Robert L Cochran]

So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box 
that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand 
UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> 
Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, 
uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into 
your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should 
fix things.


Bob


On 08/31/2009 07:55 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43.
Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out
when I return to Linux.
Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil,
or is there a simple solution?

   


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Convert Palm Tungsten E2 Calendar Data For Import To iPhone

[Robert L Cochran]

A friend of mine has a Palm Tungsten E2 with months of calendar data on 
it. This needs to go onto a brand new iPhone 3G. Is there a way of 
syncing the calendar data on a Fedora system and then converting it to a 
format the iPhone can understand? Or at least, convert to a format that 
iTunes can then sync to the iPhone?


Constraints: due to privacy concerns I cannot use a web-based solution 
involving, for example, Google Calendar.


I've Googled and discovered that one can export calendar stuff to a 
*.dba file, then process it through a non-free 'dba2csv' program, but 
apparently it only works on the Palm Desktop version 4.1.4 date book 
architecture file format, and the friend's Palm Desktop is version 6.2.2.


Any ideas?

Thanks

Bob

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Re: Thunderbird 3.0b3 Tabbed Email Viewing

[Robert L Cochran]

On 08/16/2009 12:17 PM, Paul Smith wrote:

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Robert L Cochran  
wrote:
   

It looks like the recent update of Thunderbird to 3.0b3 is using tabs for
viewing emails much the same way Firefox uses tabbed browsing. The tabs seem
sticky, so that when I open Firefox, I will see the last couple of emails I
read. I'm not complaining, but I can say this will take some getting used
to. I keep closing Thunderbird accidentally, when I think I'm closing a
tabbed email.
 

You can configure TB to have messages opened as separated windows and
not as tabs.

Paul

   


Thank you. I want to give the new features a whirl, and see if they help 
me in the end. I can say that I have a lot of "getting used to the 
change" to do. I keep closing Thunderbird when I don't intend to


Another issue is that the keyboard command for getting rid of email that 
has been flagged as junk was


alt-t ctrl-l

in previous versions, now it is

alt-t ctrl-d

and that annoys me.

Bob

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Thunderbird 3.0b3 Tabbed Email Viewing

[Robert L Cochran]

It looks like the recent update of Thunderbird to 3.0b3 is using tabs 
for viewing emails much the same way Firefox uses tabbed browsing. The 
tabs seem sticky, so that when I open Firefox, I will see the last 
couple of emails I read. I'm not complaining, but I can say this will 
take some getting used to. I keep closing Thunderbird accidentally, when 
I think I'm closing a tabbed email.


Bob

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Re: F11 and external hard drives

[Robert L Cochran]

The USB disconnect message is the important one here. It seems very 
likely to me that the Dynex enclosure is the source of the sudden 
disconnect. The USB chipset on the Dynex' circuit board may not be 
working correctly. I find this happens a lot with hard drive enclosures. 
Some of my USB enclosures went dead mysteriously, so I replaced them 
with enclosures from a better-built brand. Try putting the Western 
Digital drive in a totally different enclosure -- one that you know 
works fine. Also, be sure that you are supplying sufficient power to the 
external enclosure.


Bob


On 08/14/2009 10:57 PM, Paul Erickson wrote:

I am trying to get an external hard-drive to work with my F-11 box.

I am using a Dynex enclosure with a Western Digital 500g hard-drive.
Using the same enclosure with a smaller Seagate drive works just fine.

I know the disk is working ok, as I have put an ext3 file system on it 
in another machine.


When I plug it into the USB port, I get the following tail results:


Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive 
cache: write through

Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sdc: sdc1 < sdc5 >
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 
type 0
Aug 14 15:08:25 samba3 kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 
seconds

Aug 14 15:08:25 samba3 kernel: EXT3 FS on sdc5, internal journal
Aug 14 15:08:25 samba3 kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with 
ordered data mode.

Aug 14 15:33:34 samba3 ntpd[1605]: synchronized to 66.96.30.35, stratum 2
Aug 14 16:27:41 samba3 kernel: usb 1-5: USB disconnect, address 14

I get the following tail results with another external hard-drive 
which works fine:



Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: scsi 12:0:0:0: Direct-Access Seagate 
FreeAgent Go 102D PQ: 0 ANSI: 4
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] 976773168 512-byte 
hardware sectors: (500 GB/465 GiB)

Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive 
cache: write through
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] 976773168 512-byte 
hardware sectors: (500 GB/465 GiB)

Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive 
cache: write through

Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sdc: sdc1 < sdc5 >
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
Aug 14 15:04:34 samba3 kernel: sd 12:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 
type 0


Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: Testing upload/download bandwidth speeds for verification

[Robert L Cochran]

Do remember that your final throughput can be influenced by many 
factors. One that hasn't yet been covered is the type of physical wiring 
you have, the age and condition of that wiring, and whether or not it is 
twisted pair (as in "unshielded twisted pair" or "shielded twisted pair" 
Category 5e network cable. Replacing the 40+ year old phone cable 
between my Branch Exchange Protector and my DSL splitter with Cat 5e 
cable resulted in a huge improvement in the quality of the voice signal 
my wife was getting over the phone and the data throughput rate we were 
getting over DSL. I didn't do any measurements but downloads completed 
much more quickly.


Bob

On 08/14/2009 11:29 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:


I have been testing my residential ISP/DSL-Landline
connections and wanted to make sure that I was getting
what I am paying for. Supposedly, one can use the various
website based "speed test" tools to determine their upload
and download speeds.

Are these "speed test" tools credible and can they
be trusted?

Of the several sites I have tried, they all more or less
seemed to be in close agreement with one another in
terms of the bandwidth speeds, i.e. my connection
speed is quoted at 768KB/s up and 3MB/s down,
and the farther away from central, the more reduced
is the speeds are.

The average speed tools says that I have measured
speeds of 720-30 KB/s up and 2.0-5MB/s down.

Why is it however, that when downloading software
from the various Linux/M$ and other downloads sites
I am seeing on average, speeds of 200-320(max) KB/s
and never see anything much faster than that?

Is this normal?

Has anyone gotten download speeds any faster that
what I have reported?

What I am trying to determine is if my ISP only shows
un-throttled speeds between me & them, but then somehow
throttles my bandwidth usage when I am using the Internet,
or is it more probable that download speeds are being throttled
from the download site itself?

Other than by using `speed testers', I have yet to find a download
site that pushes out more than 2-300KB/s?

I have tried HTTP, FTP & Bittorent and there is very little or no
speed improvements as far as I can tell.

Just wondering,
Dan



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Re: TightVNC Server

[Robert L Cochran]

Phillip -- never routinely work as the root user! That is a grave 
mistake. You should do all your work as an ordinary user. Don't stay 
logged in as root habitually. I only use root to update the software on 
my machine, or to change a few settings. In the context of a workday, I 
only need to do that once or twice daily at most. If there are no 
updates available for a given day then I don't switch user to root at all.


Bob


On 08/09/2009 02:39 PM, Philip Seeger wrote:

OK, I found out what I did wrong. I started the vncserver as root, so my 
xstartup file is located in /root/.vnc.

But my xstartup differs from yours.
I don't have these lines:

# Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
unset SESSION_MANAGER
exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

When I try to add those lines, the vncserver won't even start up.

So I started a vnc session with the standard xstartup (bash on gray background) 
and entered this:
startkde&

The gray background color changed to the KDE blue and the Fedora startup 
animation appeared.
But after some minutes, the animation disappeared and the console said this:
Dry Run Mode: running im without imsettings
Startkde: starting up...

At this point the program freezes (I can cancel it by pressing Ctrl + C).

It's the same thing when I add "startkde&" to my xstartup file...

What's wrong here?

Thanks for your help!

-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Setzer II [mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:19 PM
To: Philip Seeger
Subject: Re: TightVNC Server

On 8 Aug 2009 at 15:47, Philip Seeger wrote:

From:   "Philip Seeger"
To: "'Michael D. Setzer II'"
Subject:RE: TightVNC Server
Date sent:  Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:47:32 +0200

   

"Then I edit the xstartup file and uncomment the two lines."

I don't know if that's a dumb question, but i can't find a xstartup file?
I tried cd /home/USER/.vnc
And ls xstartup ->  No such file or directory

Why is that??

 


First, Is USER the id of the user that you are running vncserver on?
In my case it is.
/home/msetzerii/.vnc

Here is the contents of my xstartup.

#!/bin/sh

# Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
unset SESSION_MANAGER
exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

[ -x /etc/vnc/xstartup ]&&  exec /etc/vnc/xstartup
[ -r $HOME/.Xresources ]&&  xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
xsetroot -solid grey
vncconfig -iconic&
xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop"&
twm&

The man vncserver discusses these files.
man vncserver should show the whole file, but here are the lines in
reference.

Several VNC-related files are found in the directory $HOME/.vnc:

$HOME/.vnc/xstartup
   A shell script specifying X applications to be run  when  a  VNC
   desktop is started.  If this file does not exist, then vncserver
   will create a default xstartup script which attempts  to  launch
   your chosen window manager.

$HOME/.vnc/passwd
   The VNC password file.

http://www.tigervnc.org


   

-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Setzer II [mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:21 PM
To: Philip Seeger; Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using 
Fedora.
Subject: Re: TightVNC Server
-

The Desktop sharing was using something called VINO on Fedora 10,
haven't looked at what Fedora 11 does with that. I use the regular vncserver.
Logged in as the user I run vncserver :port   (colon port).
Example: vncserver :50
That would load a vncserver session using port 5950
The first time it will prompt for a password for the vnc, and will create the 
.vnc
directory and the xstartup file.
Then I edit the xstartup file and uncomment the two lines.
Then I have to kill the vncserver, and run it again to have the correct desktop
connect.
I then edit the /etc/sysconfig/vncservers file to start the vncserver session on
startup for that user on that port..
Also have to set the server to start under services.

Then the session is automatcially started on boot up, and I can log into the
machine using vncviewer IPaddress:port
.

 

-Original Message-
From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael D. Setzer II
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:22 PM
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: TightVNC Server
-

You probable need to look at the xstartup file in the .vnc (period vnc)
directory in the users home directory. The file has a statement that you need
to uncomment two lines to get the normal screen? Don't know why that isn't
the default.

The Fedora has changed to another vnc program that can be loaded by yum
install vncserver, and that is what I  setup on my Fedora 11 systems.


   

 What do I have to do to see a copy of the screen (as I would see it if I’d 
connect a
 monitor to the Fedora machine)?

  

Re: Looking for Shuttle recommendations

[Robert L Cochran]

Yes I agree that the Shuttle boxes are heavily overpriced. And when you 
think about it laptops are easier to tote around, very light and just as 
powerful.


Bob



On 08/08/2009 04:42 PM, John Austin wrote:

On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 01:34 +0800, Gregory Hosler wrote:
   

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Hi all,

I'm looking into buying a Shuttle XPC to run Fedora.

I am curious to know if anyone is running Fedora on a Shuttle, and if so, which 
model?

The models readily available near me are:

SG31G2B
SG33G5 Pro
SG45H7
SP45H7
D10

Are any known to be fully Linux compatible ?

Are any of the above known to have Linux compatibility issues?

googling only brought to my attention issues of 3 and 4 year old distributions, 
nothing of
relevance today... :-(

Many thanks in advance, and all the best,

- -Greg

- -- 
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Please also check the log file at "/dev/null" for additional information.
(from /var/log/Xorg.setup.log)

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Hi

I am currently running the following - not in your list !

SA76G2  x4 905e 4GB F11 x86_64
SD39P2  x4 Q66004GB F11 x86_64
SN68SG2 22 4850e2GB F11/Centos5.3 x86_64

Recently replaced PS on the SD39P2, the PS fan had an intermittent
problem.  Now the machine runs much cooler!

I am using nvidia cards in the SA76G2 and SD39P2

On board 1Gb/s network - not using jumbo frames as I
had problems last time I tried - 18months ago.

Hot swap eSATA OK on all three m/c

Super boxes if you like paying a bit too much !

John

PS In the past I have run at least 4 other models, both
Intel and AMD, with no/very few problems from Redhat 9 through
to F11

John



   
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How To Use yum-builddep

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm trying to learn how
to build an rpm package correctly. When I do this with yum-builddep to
build the dependencies on a source package, I get this:

[...@deafeng3 SRPMS]$ su -c 'yum-builddep --enablerepo=rawhide
--nogpgcheck augeas-0.5.2-2.fc12.src.rpm'
Password: 
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit
readline-devel-6.0-2.fc12.x86_64
libselinux-devel-2.0.85-2.fc12.x86_64
No uninstalled build requires

And I don't quite understand what it is trying to tell me here. I don't
have the readline-devel or libselinux-devel packages indicated above
installed. Why isn't yum installing the dependencies for me?

Thanks

Bob





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Re: Rhythmbox no longer "sees" ipod

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm having this problem with banshee and amarok, on Fedora 11 too. The 
advice I was given is to wait for it all to be fixed.


I hope gnupod will work.

I didn't upgrade, I did a clean install of Fedora 11 but from the days 
of the beta.


I wonder if all this stuff will work as expected on Ubuntu...hmmmI 
do have a Ubuntu virtual machine installed.


Bob


On 07/28/2009 05:00 PM, Eric Mesa wrote:

Upgraded to F11 yesterday.  My iPod appears to be loaded as a removable
drive instead of an ipod based on the icon on the desktop.  Rhythmbox
doesn't see it.  I am able to transfer podcasts to it using Gtkpod, so
that part of it works.  I just think it doesn't work wrt notifying
Rhythmbox that it's an iPod.  It may be related to the issue the other
guy was having in here with Amarok.  Also, in one of his emails he
mentioned a friend having a problem with Banshee.

Is there a setting that has changed that I need to tweak somewhere?
-
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http://www.ericsbinaryworld.com
Most of the emails from this account should be signed with my GPG key so
that you know it's me. The only exception is when I'm using gmail from
the web.

"`Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.' `Very deep,' said Arthur,
`you should send that in to the "Reader's Digest". They've got a page
for people like you.'" - Ford convincing Arthur to drink three pints in
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Re: Anyone Using Amarok In Fedora 11 With iPod?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 07/27/2009 06:15 PM, jack craig wrote:

On 07/26/2009 05:16 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
Is anyone using amarok 2.1.1-1 to manage an iPod on  Fedora 11? If 
so, how did you get amarok to recognize the iPod? I can't get 
podsleuth to see my ipod when connected -- it is mounted as a hard 
drive instead, and is not seen as a media player. There is a bug for 
this but I'm not sure how to work around the issue so that amarok works:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495240

Thanks

Bob

have you looked at gnupod? i am have been using if for some time... 
just a thought, jackc...


I downloaded this from git and got it to compile and install. I'll give 
it a try tomorrow. Let's hope the Gnu documentation isn't too out-of-date.


Thanks for the suggestion!

Bob







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Re: Anyone Using Amarok In Fedora 11 With iPod?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 07/26/2009 09:05 PM, Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 20:40 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
   

Robert L Cochran wrote:
 

Is anyone using amarok 2.1.1-1 to manage an iPod on  Fedora 11? If
so, how did you get amarok to recognize the iPod? I can't get
podsleuth to see my ipod when connected -- it is mounted as a hard
drive instead, and is not seen as a media player. There is a bug for
this but I'm not sure how to work around the issue so that amarok
works:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495240
   

That bug indicates a problem with podsleuth, which is not used by
amarok for its iPod functions.  Amarok uses libgpod instead.

If the iPod is not being mounted as a media device, that would seem to
be a more generic DeviceKit or HAL bug.  What is it that tells you the
iPod is not recognized as a media device?  I connected a 5th gen Video
iPod to an F-11 test box and it is mounted properly and recognized as
an iPod, based on the icon used to display the device.  (I'm running
Gnome on that box, and it hasn't been updated in a few weeks, FWIW.)

Also, as far as I understand, Amarok 2 has significantly changed the
way media devices like iPod's are handled.  That might be an
additional stumbling block you'll run into.  I don't know much more
than that, as I don't use Amarok myself.
 


last I heard, Amarok 2 still did not have the ability to sync to devices
yet. That may have changed but I am not aware that it changed.

Craig
   

Craig and Todd,

Thanks for your help with this. This web page shows what appears on my 
Fedora 11 Gnome desktop when I plug in my iPod Nano over USB. I have not 
used the Nano in a very long time and it may not have the most recent 
firmware on it. A friend of mine is wondering why banshee isn't "seeing" 
her even older iPod; it behaves just like you see here when plugged in.


http://www.greenbeltcomputer.biz/fedora11_ipod_media_device.html

Todd...this is for Fedora 11 with x86_64 updates applied, as of this 
afternoon. Uname -a shows:


Linux deafeng3.signtype.info 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 7 
21:02:57 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


Thanks

Bob

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Anyone Using Amarok In Fedora 11 With iPod?

[Robert L Cochran]

Is anyone using amarok 2.1.1-1 to manage an iPod on  Fedora 11? If so, 
how did you get amarok to recognize the iPod? I can't get podsleuth to 
see my ipod when connected -- it is mounted as a hard drive instead, and 
is not seen as a media player. There is a bug for this but I'm not sure 
how to work around the issue so that amarok works:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495240

Thanks

Bob

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MPEG-4 AAC decoder For banshee?

[Robert L Cochran]

What is an MPEG-4 AAc decoder that will work on banshee and play *.m4a 
files?


Thanks

Bob

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Re: Playing quicktime movies on Firefox

[Robert L Cochran]

I wonder if you have ffmpeg installed?

Bob


On 07/26/2009 11:33 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote:

"Frank" == Frank Murphy  writes:
 


 Frank>  On 26/07/09 15:53, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
 >>>  In case it's a dektop specific problem, are you KDE, Gnome
 >>>  etc.?
 >>
 >>  GNOME


 Frank>  Try this on a terminal: firefox http://tinyurl.com/knfqkt
 Frank>  (your link shortened)

 Frank>  And capture all the output, up to and including pressing
 Frank>  play.

 Frank>  and stick it in a paste bin

 Frank>  http://fpaste.org/

There isn't anything to press to make it play.
But this is what I got:

http://fpaste.org/paste/19911
   


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Re: networkManager is killing me

[Robert L Cochran]

Your very first step is to Google and find a website that can tell you 
how to set up a wireless access point and resolve connectivity problems. 
You can also find a number of excellent books to read, also devoted to 
wireless access. Google is your friend. I think those other websites and 
other books can offer you a lot of help if you will have the patience to 
read them and work through the advice they offer.


Another friend is researching old mailing list emails. I don't delete my 
old emails. They are much too valuable. I save them and then search my 
email folders when a problem hits to see who had my issue. Someone, 
somewhere, had the same issue and dealt with it effectively.


Go Google...

Bob


On 07/25/2009 04:22 PM, Kevin Kempter wrote:

good point(s).  Any thoughts on trying to debug this?




   

   You are not giving any useful information here to help resolve the
problem. What you are doing is just blaming NetWorkManager and asking if
drastic solutions fit the unstated problem. The problem may not be
NetworkManager, but something quite different.

I never have a connectivity problem with NetWorkManager in Fedora 11
x86_64 on a Dell Latitude E6400 laptop. I've done nothing special. I
just wireless away and surf to my heart's content. If I need to do heavy
downloads I connect a cable and download away. Works smooth as you could
want.

I have noted that people using Microsoft Windows software drivers have
problems with some Intel wireless adapters such as the Wireless 5300 a/g/n.

or

in environments where there are numerous access points with the ssid
"linksys". So what I'm saying is, look into resolving possible
connectivity issues that may have little or nothing to do with
NetWorkManager.


Bob Cochran

On 07/25/2009 03:04 PM, Kevin Kempter wrote:
 

Hi all;

since the last networkManager update I've been having increasing lockups.
It's now at the point where more often than not I boot my machine (Dell
M6400 running Fedora 10 x86_64), login and within a minute or two the
machine locks up and shuts off.

The only way I can work now for more than a few minutes is to disable
wireless in networkManager.

I need to fix this today, I'm thinking about one of the following (which
are all ugly, time consuming options):

1) backup my data and install Fedora 11
2) backup my data and install Kubuntu
3) somehow fix nm so I can once again use wireless?


Any suggestions?



Thanks in advance...
   


   


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Re: networkManager is killing me

[Robert L Cochran]

 You are not giving any useful information here to help resolve the 
problem. What you are doing is just blaming NetWorkManager and asking if 
drastic solutions fit the unstated problem. The problem may not be 
NetworkManager, but something quite different.


I never have a connectivity problem with NetWorkManager in Fedora 11 
x86_64 on a Dell Latitude E6400 laptop. I've done nothing special. I 
just wireless away and surf to my heart's content. If I need to do heavy 
downloads I connect a cable and download away. Works smooth as you could 
want.


I have noted that people using Microsoft Windows software drivers have 
problems with some Intel wireless adapters such as the Wireless 5300 a/g/n.


or

in environments where there are numerous access points with the ssid 
"linksys". So what I'm saying is, look into resolving possible 
connectivity issues that may have little or nothing to do with 
NetWorkManager.



Bob Cochran


On 07/25/2009 03:04 PM, Kevin Kempter wrote:

Hi all;

since the last networkManager update I've been having increasing lockups. It's
now at the point where more often than not I boot my machine (Dell M6400
running Fedora 10 x86_64), login and within a minute or two the machine locks
up and shuts off.

The only way I can work now for more than a few minutes is to disable wireless
in networkManager.

I need to fix this today, I'm thinking about one of the following (which are
all ugly, time consuming options):

1) backup my data and install Fedora 11
2) backup my data and install Kubuntu
3) somehow fix nm so I can once again use wireless?


Any suggestions?



Thanks in advance...

   


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Re: any thoughts on why cooling fan keeps spinning up and down?

[Robert L Cochran]

"...new out of the box" does not mean "it works perfectly". And I don't 
see postings on this list from others with fan speed issues which would 
tend to indicate a repeatable software issue.


Bob




On 07/05/2009 02:21 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, Robert L Cochran wrote:

... snip ...

   

I'll look into this, thanks. On the other hand I've opened up enough
system cases (including laptops) and cleaned more than enough dust
bunnies or coffee spills to realize fan speeds can have very
physical causes indeed. Don't think of the fan as "just" controlled
by operating system software. There is usually a physical reason why
the speed varies and that ought to be the first thing to check
before suspecting the operating system.
 


   this behaviour has been there since day one of installing f11 beta
on this laptop, when it was new out of the box.

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Re: any thoughts on why cooling fan keeps spinning up and down?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 07/05/2009 01:09 PM, john wendel wrote:

On 07/05/2009 08:07 AM, Robert L Cochran wrote:

I think there is probably a physical cause. It gets too easy to blame
the operating system for physical device issues. The fan speed is
controlled in part by temperature sensors on the CPU and feedback from
the fan circuit itself. I think all the fan speed controls are managed
by motherboard parts, not by the operating system interacting with those
parts.

Bob


On 07/04/2009 08:14 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

this is another problem i started having with the test version, and
it's still happening now -- on my gateway laptop running fully-updated
f11, the cooling fan keeps spinning up and down with about a 3-second
period. it's really kind of annoying. occasionally, it will stop
completely for a bit, then it starts oscillating all over again.
thoughts?

rday
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Actually, modern notebooks (and probably most desktops) have their fan 
controlled by the ACPI "thermal zone" driver - strictly software. 
Saves the manufacturers a few cents on every motherboard.


Regards,

John


I'll look into this, thanks. On the other hand I've opened up enough 
system cases (including laptops) and cleaned more than enough dust 
bunnies or coffee spills to realize fan speeds can have very physical 
causes indeed. Don't think of the fan as "just" controlled by operating 
system software. There is usually a physical reason why the speed varies 
and that ought to be the first thing to check before suspecting the 
operating system.



Bob






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Re: any thoughts on why cooling fan keeps spinning up and down?

[Robert L Cochran]

I think there is probably a physical cause. It gets too easy to blame 
the operating system for physical device issues. The fan speed is 
controlled in part by temperature sensors on the CPU and feedback from 
the fan circuit itself. I think all the fan speed controls are managed 
by motherboard parts, not by the operating system interacting with those 
parts.


Bob


On 07/04/2009 08:14 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

   this is another problem i started having with the test version, and
it's still happening now -- on my gateway laptop running fully-updated
f11, the cooling fan keeps spinning up and down with about a 3-second
period.  it's really kind of annoying.  occasionally, it will stop
completely for a bit, then it starts oscillating all over again.
thoughts?

rday
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Re: Dealing with Fedora's mailing list

[Robert L Cochran]

On 07/03/2009 11:01 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

gil...@altern.org wrote:
   

If there's anybody here who's in charge of Fedora's mailing lists, I
must say that the way you're dealing with susbscribers seems
dishonest.
 



Personally, I find the benefit I gain from using mailing lists far
outweighs the annoyance of receiving some spam.  Most of the spam sent
to my address is disposed of neatly by SpamAssassin.

   


And I agree with what Todd is saying. I've been on this list for a long, 
long, long time now and the benefit far outweighs any small problems. I 
sometimes make really stupid comments but that's okay. I still learn 
technical stuff from people who are much greater experts than I. And 
that is the point of it all, learning. Focus on the technical 
discussions of interest.


Bob

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Re: Kernel - PAE vs. non-PAE

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm installing Fedora 11 on a rather ancient Toshiba Satellite 1905-S303 
laptop which ought to be tossed in the trash can, and that has the PAE 
kernel installed, too.


Bob


On 06/30/2009 09:27 PM, Steven F. LeBrun wrote:
When I installed F11 on my Toshiba laptop, it installed the PAE 
version of the kernel.  I am assuming that my laptop has a CPU with 
Physical Address Extensions functionality and can therefore address up 
to 64GB of memory.


My laptop only has 3 GB installed.  Can anyone explain the pro's and 
con's of using the PAE version of Linux kernel instead of the non-PAE 
version?


Would the PAE version of the 32-bit Linux Kernel see 4 GB of memory if 
it was installed where Vista 32-bits only sees about 3GB?  For that 
matter would the non-PAE version see the full 4 GB?


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Re: Importing Mail folder from one Thunderbird to another Thunderbird.

[Robert L Cochran]

I travel a lot and need to get my email on the road. I don't like using 
webmail even though my ISP offers it. I like to download my emails and 
tuck them away in a long list of mail folders. Until recently going on 
travel meant borrowing my wife's laptop. I'd run Fedora by booting off 
an external USB drive. But my Thunderbird stuff was on my desktop 
machine. Well I would simply tar up the ~/.thunderbird directory on my 
desktop like so:


tar -cvzf thunderbird_2009-01-01_v1.tar.gz .thunderbird

then move it via scp to the laptop. Then I would untar it:

tar -xvzf thunderbird_2009-01-01_v1.tar.gz

While this worked it did create some issues because the laptop was 32 
bit and the desktop machine was x86_64 and for me this primarily 
affected Thunderbird's plugins like enigmail. So I took to using


tar -cvzf thunderbird_2009-01-01_v1.tar.gz 
.thunderbird/[my-salted-dir]/Mail/[my-mail-folders]


where my-salted-dir is the salted directory name and my-mail-folders is 
the mail directory of interest.


This has worked better, but ignores the preference settings that might 
be in the file prefs.js. So keep that in mind. I'm sure more experienced 
people here will point out other issues with this method too.


But I've been doing this for a long, long time and feeling no pain at 
all except for issues with enigmail. When I return from the trip I 
simply tar up the mail folders which are on the laptop and scp them to 
the desktop and untar them. Voila, I have a reasonably up-to-date set of 
mail folders on two computers. If one crashes I can still pull my email 
off the other machine and feel little loss. Saving old emails is really 
important.


Bob




On 06/27/2009 09:08 PM, Jim wrote:

FC11/KDE

FC8 > FC11 thunderbird "Mail" folder.
How do I import the old Thunderbird "Mail" Folder from FC8, into FC11, 
Thunderbird ?




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Re: Files corrupt on copy

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/27/2009 08:45 AM, Andy Campbell wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:35:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:

   

I'm not sure what you mean when you say your files are not copying
correctly. How exactly are they corrupt? What convinces you of this?

Bob

 


I thought I had given enough details, simple demo ...

$cp file1.zip new_file.zip
$cmp file1.zip new_file.zip
file1.zip new_file.zip differ: byte 77726613, line 292919

( It took 8 attempts for the files to be different )

Andy.
   


I was sleepy or just plain dumb when I posted the above, sorry. I had 
something similar to this happen to me in the distant past. I fried the 
motherboard and the memory when I accidentally left the power supply 
connected to power and started working on the motherboard. Although 
painfully expensive, I replaced both.  That fixed the problem. Your 
problem has a similar hardware error type of feeling. But I can't 
identify the exact problem. You may want to consult the latest edition 
of "Upgrading and Repairing PC's" by Scott Mueller.




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Re: Files corrupt on copy

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say your files are not copying 
correctly. How exactly are they corrupt? What convinces you of this?


Bob


On 06/27/2009 08:21 AM, Andy Campbell wrote:

I'm having an issue where when I copy files, they are not copying
correctly - they are corrupt, I've checked using cmp, and generating
md5sum There are no errors I can see from cp, rsync.

Initially I though it was a problem with an external USB drives now
after some testing it seem to be normal SATA drives as well.  I've got
a few drives in the box and they all have the same issue.

I  thought it might be memory - but memtest runs fine, and I
tried taking out a couple of the sticks - I have 4x2Gb no difference.

I've written a little rsync script to copy some files around, rsync
once, then rsync again, using checksum - in theory the second run
should have nothing to do, but will randomly have to re-copy files.

Strangely I tried booting off of a live distro ( System Rescue 32bit )
and didn't get any errors.

The system seem to run fine generally - but I started noticing some of
the big files I was syncing to external drives where erroring.  Just 
repeatedly running md5sum on a file gives consistent results - I would 
have though if was a memory problem that would have give different 
results.


I've turned AHCI on in BIOS recently as I've install a WD Raptor,
and re-installed F10 - would that affect filesystems on other
drives - is AHCI buggy ?

I'm using Fedora 10 64bit,  Asus P5Q-E Motherboard,
Q9950 ( stock speed ), 8Gb Corsair memory

Any guesses, Kernel bug ? Hardware ? Hopefully not hardware as its
a fairly recent build.


My Test some runs are better some are worse 

(1) [trantor] ..scratch/tmp $cat do_test.bash
#/bin/bash

echo === Copying test files to /tmp

mkdir -p src tgt

for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
do
 echo "== test $i"

 rm -f tgt/*zip

 echo Initial Copy from src to tgt

 rsync -a src/*zip tgt/
 echo
 echo Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy
 echo
 rsync -a -v --checksum src/*zip tgt/

done


[trantor] ..scratch/tmp $./do_test.bash
=== Copying test files to /tmp
== test 1
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file6.zip

sent 278691256 bytes  received 31 bytes  8319142.90 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 5.10
== test 2
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file1.zip
file3.zip
file6.zip
file7.zip
file8.zip

sent 1121629814 bytes  received 107 bytes  21364379.45 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 1.27
== test 3
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file3.zip
file4.zip
file5.zip
file7.zip

sent 803961910 bytes  received 88 bytes  16925515.75 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 1.77
== test 4
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file1.zip
file3.zip
file7.zip

sent 726571560 bytes  received 69 bytes  15625196.32 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 1.96
== test 5
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file1.zip
file4.zip
file7.zip

sent 642641285 bytes  received 69 bytes  11791584.48 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 2.21
== test 6
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file1.zip
file2.zip
file3.zip
file4.zip
file6.zip
file8.zip

sent 916463546 bytes  received 126 bytes  17795411.11 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 1.55
== test 7
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file3.zip
file5.zip
file6.zip
file7.zip

sent 975716123 bytes  received 88 bytes  18585070.69 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 1.46
== test 8
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list
file3.zip
file4.zip
file6.zip

sent 576495041 bytes  received 69 bytes  13891448.43 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 2.47
== test 9
Initial Copy from src to tgt

Second Copy with checksum - should be no files to copy

sending incremental file list

sent 288 bytes  received 12 bytes  10.17 bytes/sec
total size is 1422447131  speedup is 4741490.44



Thanks
Andy



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Re: Are there Fedora people using Thunderbird 3Beta2?

[Robert L Cochran]

Thunderbird 3 beta 2 is okay but it has a very annoying habit of 
changing the selected font for the text of an email reply or a freshly 
composed email on the fly. You can be typing along happily and one or 
two lines later the font suddenly changes and also can be reduced in 
size from the size you selected. You have to manually change the font 
yourself by selecting text and then using the list box control. And 
sometimes the same procedure for getting the font size adjusted.


Bob


On 06/26/2009 11:16 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:

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I'd like to get a sense of how stable  (or unstable) it is. Has it crashed?
Have you lost data? Any problems? Is it wonderful?

I moved from alpine to TB a few weeks ago and so far it has done quite well.
It does not do *everything* that I could do with alpine but it comes very close.

Feedback would be very much appreciated. Thanks.

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individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question?
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Re: Is there a Wall message for GNOME or KDE

[Robert L Cochran]

I just used `shutdown -h +6 The system is going down now, please 
logoff.` as root, in a terminal window. It prints the message in the 
terminal window every minute, along with its own default message. But it 
will not cause a Gnome window to open up with the message.


I discovered that even if you close the terminal window, the shutdown 
will still take place at the scheduled time.


Bob


On 06/26/2009 01:44 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote:

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Leslie
Satenstein  wrote:
   

I would like to send an alert about a system change or an alert to all gnome
users that the system is going offline for maintenance at a certain time.

What is the equivalent to the wall function that pops up a window in kde or
gnome with the message in a window that must be acknowledged.
 


KDE, at least 3.5, acknowledges standard wall messages, though i was not forced.

But regular wall isn't forced either.

I am not sure any current OS has mandatory remotely sent messaging.

   


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Re: How can I update fedora core 6 ?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/24/2009 08:56 PM, Hyunwoo Kim wrote:

  I'm  an adminstrator in the lab.

Our server has installed old version fedora. (fc6)

Theseday fedora maybe doesn't provdie update for too old version.

What can I do for using yum for this OS?

  


Back up what you have now to a separate hard disk. Use g4u to re-image
your hard drive to a second one.

Make up a flash drive containing all the configuration and other files
you will need. For example save all your web server settings and all
the documents in the web server document root.

Then perform a fresh install. 

So I am suggesting the same thing that Bill did, I am just using
different words.

Bob





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Re: Encrypted Root with F11

[Robert L Cochran]

Umm, you know the /boot partition has to be ext3? Grub cannot handle an 
ext4 /boot. I know this has not a thing to do with encryption, but I 
thought I'd ask just to be sure.


Bob



On 06/25/2009 08:23 PM, Brian Mearns wrote:

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM, davide  wrote:
   

Il Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:28:14 -0400, Brian Mearns ha scritto:

 

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:03 AM, davide  wrote:
   

Brian Mearns  ieee.org>  writes:


 

Thanks for the response, Davide. /boot is a seperate, non-LVM
partition with its own ext3 fs. I know F11 has options for encrypting
during setup, but I've already got it set up, and would now like to go
back and switch over to an excrypted root filesystem without having to
reinstall. I think your suggestion of using a Live CD implies that I
would reinstall Fedora, which I don't want to do.
   

have you all the needed modules compiled into the kernel or into the
initrd? otherwise I would give a look at /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab



 

Also, it's not grub asking for the root, I'm referring to the "root"
parameter for the kernel.
   

Yes, I think you mean the root parameter into the grub config, it is a
parameter for the kernel. I would suppose is used by the kernel to find
out where are modules and filesystem.
 

[clipped]

Thanks, again, Davide.

crypttab and fstab should be fine, as init is able to mount the device
correctly. I'm not sure if I have all the correct modules: I ran
mkinitrd with "--with=aes --with=sha256" and tried to boot using the
generated initrd.img, but perhaps there are additional modules I need?

Thanks,
   

thanks to Robert, I opened the init, I copy here the relevant part.
tell me if it helps, or I can try to investigate more deeply.


echo Creating block device nodes.
mkblkdevs
echo Creating character device nodes.
mkchardevs
echo "Loading dm-crypt module"
modprobe -q dm-crypt
echo "Loading aes module"
modprobe -q aes
echo "Loading cbc module"
modprobe -q cbc
echo "Loading sha256 module"
modprobe -q sha256
echo "Loading pata_acpi module"
modprobe -q pata_acpi
echo "Loading ata_generic module"
modprobe -q ata_generic
echo Making device-mapper control node
mkdmnod
modprobe scsi_wait_scan
rmmod scsi_wait_scan
mkblkdevs
 

[clipped]

I'm back home and can get some additional information about this.
Attempting to boot using the "crypto-initrd.img", which I generated
with "mkinitrd --with=aes --with=sha256" and specifying the
LUKS/cryptsetup encrypted drive for the kernel's "root" parameter, the
boot process gets to the point of asking me for a password, then
mentions a few things about an EXT4-fs (not sure which one, but no
error's reported here), then gives the following messages before
hanging:

SELinux:  policydb magic number 0xe4f0 does not match expected
magic number 0xf97cff8c
request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-
request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-
request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-
request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-
request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-

I am able to restart the system uneventfully at this point by pressing
ctrl-alt-del.

Attempting to boot with the same initrd img, but specifying an
unecrypted partition for the kernel's "root" parameter, it all comes
up fine, but does still ask me for a password during boot.

I'm going to attempt to debug my initrd img, as suggested, but I'm not
sure how well I'll be able to understand the script. So if anyone has
any additional advice, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks, again.
-Brian


   


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Re: Encrypted Root with F11

[Robert L Cochran]

Copy your initrd somewhere (like to a directory in /tmp) and cd into it. 
Then


gzip -dc initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64.img | cpio -id

If you do this as a non-root user, you will get error messages, but the 
image file is still decompressed. Then you can look at the init script 
and see what it is doing.


Bob




On 06/25/2009 12:06 PM, davide wrote:

Brian Mearns  ieee.org>  writes:

   

Thanks, again, Davide.
 


you're welcome.

   

crypttab and fstab should be fine, as init is able to mount the device
correctly. I'm not sure if I have all the correct modules: I ran
mkinitrd with "--with=aes --with=sha256" and tried to boot using the
generated initrd.img, but perhaps there are additional modules I need?

 


I'm not at home with my pc now, but I can send you my list of modules, if you
need it.
(just need to find out how to generate it)



   


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Re: OT: Dual Pentium III, good enough for current 2.6 kernel linux?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/23/2009 09:52 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I´m contemplating what to do with one of my old desktops which is a
dual Pentium III, 650Mhz, with 1 Gig of RAM and
ATA-33 hard disk controller, plus two Elsa Gloria Synergy 8MB PCI
video adapters (video chipset? I don´t even remember) for a
dual-display config.

   
I have a friend with an even older box that I'm working hard to rescue. 
That one has a 4 Gb SCSI hard drive and a Pentium II. It is old, old, 
old, equipment. It runs OpenServer 5.0.4 which is another migraine 
headache for me. That's my opinion of old hardware.


My advice to you is to give the Pentium III box to a charity, and get 
yourself a new quad core Intel machine. Load it up with memory and start 
playing with virtualization. A new machine lets your work with all the 
new technologies that are coming out and you will be able to do so much 
more, if in fact you choose to do so. Note that I'm not saying that you 
will do a whole lot more. But the potential is definitely there for you 
with a new machine. There is absolutely no technical reason today or a 
year from now to stick with an old machine. Get the new stuff and you 
won't be sorry.


Bob

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Re: Successful Medialess Install of Fedora 11 i386 -- Mainly For Puppet

[Robert L Cochran]

Now I have puppet on a Fedora 11 i386 client successfully connecting to 
the puppetmaster server on a different box...also Fedora 11, but x86_64. 
When the puppet client recieved it's certificate and started working, I 
got no less than 21 AVC denials on 'ifconfig' right after. That's from 
running in enforcing mode. I have changed the client to permissive mode 
for now.


Bob


On 06/21/2009 10:23 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:
I'm really interested in working with the puppet application, and I 
just happen to have an extra laptop hanging around. Said laptop turned 
out to be capable of booting from USB. I found an old external hard 
drive which formerly booted Fedora 8.


I connected the hard drive to the laptop's USB port.

Went to another machine and mounted the Fedora 11 i386 iso image on 
one of my webservers.


Came back to the laptop and booted Fedora 8. By downloading the 
vmlinuz and initrd images off the web server, moving them into /boot, 
and then adding a suitable stanza to grub.conf, and then rebooting, I 
was able to get a medialess install started.


I had a perfect install experience!

The beauty of it is, because I checked off the Fedora updates 
repository as one of the repositories to use, I got the latest and 
greatest versions of everything. A big bonus was I didn't have to burn 
another DVD that would go unused and land in the trash. 10 cheers for 
medialess installation methods.


As to the puppet client on the very fresh Fedora 11 machine, I'm still 
working at getting it to connect to the puppet server which is on this 
machine. I needed to clean up some of my local DNS zone files. I've 
gotten sloppy over the years and I don't do DNS every day. So I also 
had to read carefully about CNAME records. The 10th time is the charm. 
Tomorrow success will be mine, I hope.


Bob





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Successful Medialess Install of Fedora 11 i386 -- Mainly For Puppet

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm really interested in working with the puppet application, and I just 
happen to have an extra laptop hanging around. Said laptop turned out to 
be capable of booting from USB. I found an old external hard drive which 
formerly booted Fedora 8.


I connected the hard drive to the laptop's USB port.

Went to another machine and mounted the Fedora 11 i386 iso image on one 
of my webservers.


Came back to the laptop and booted Fedora 8. By downloading the vmlinuz 
and initrd images off the web server, moving them into /boot, and then 
adding a suitable stanza to grub.conf, and then rebooting, I was able to 
get a medialess install started.


I had a perfect install experience!

The beauty of it is, because I checked off the Fedora updates repository 
as one of the repositories to use, I got the latest and greatest 
versions of everything. A big bonus was I didn't have to burn another 
DVD that would go unused and land in the trash. 10 cheers for medialess 
installation methods.


As to the puppet client on the very fresh Fedora 11 machine, I'm still 
working at getting it to connect to the puppet server which is on this 
machine. I needed to clean up some of my local DNS zone files. I've 
gotten sloppy over the years and I don't do DNS every day. So I also had 
to read carefully about CNAME records. The 10th time is the charm. 
Tomorrow success will be mine, I hope.


Bob



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Re: How to tell if kernel compiled from kernel.org is x86_64 or just 32 bit?

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm not sure how it works for the kernel images because those are 
compressed. You can use file otherwise:


[...@deafeng3 ~]$ file /usr/bin/zip
/usr/bin/zip: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), 
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped


Here is my attempt to use file on a kernel image.

[...@deafeng3 ~]$ file /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64: Linux kernel x86 boot executable 
bzImage, version 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64 (mockb, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 
0x2, Normal VGA


file -k doesn't give much more:

[...@deafeng3 ~]$ file -k /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64: Linux kernel x86 boot executable 
bzImage, version 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64 (mockb, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 
0x2, Normal VGA\012- x86 boot sector, code offset 0x5


Bob



On 06/21/2009 12:56 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:

Dear fellow Fedora users,

Is there a way to tell if a kernel is 64 bit or 32 bit? If one compiles and 
installs a kernel from kernel.org.  Why am I asking?  I have a 64 bit Fedora 11 
installed and it showed 2.6.29.4-???x86_64 at the end so I know it is a 64 bit 
kernel.  I copy the config of that kernel and compile a new one and install it, 
is that kernel still a 64 bit kernel or is it a 32 bit kernel?  When compiling 
I see just x86/ directories in the source of the kernel and no x86_64?

I have a modem that needs drivers to con nect the modem is 32 bit only but can 
be compiled in 64 bit code, I tried without success compiling it against the 
2.6.29.4-?? x86_64 kernel.  However, after compiling the kernel from kernel.org 
and compiling the same code it succeeded and it runs under the 2.6.30 kernel.  
I know that `uname -a` will tell many things about our running kernels, but is 
there something else that can tell us?

Or when we compile a kernel.org kernel, do we have to say compile it in 64 bit?
I have compiled several kernels, but not knowing if the new kernel is indeed 64 
bit or not?

BTW:  Hope you have an excellent Father's Day!

Regards,

Antonio




   


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Editing /etc/hosts On Puppetmaster Server

[Robert L Cochran]

Besides having a CNAME record on my DNS box (which is entirely separate 
from the box that I'm running puppetmaster on), I experimented a bit and 
on the puppetmaster server I edited the /etc/hosts localhost entry like 
this, appending 'puppet' to the end of the line:


127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost deafeng3.signtype.info 
deafeng3 puppet


Pinging 'puppet' now gets this:

[...@deafeng3 ~]$ ping -c3 puppet
PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 
time=0.084 ms
64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 
time=0.101 ms
64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 
time=0.101 ms


which should be okay for the puppet client running on the same machine 
as the server. If it doesn't look right, feel free to correct me.


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Re: Getting Puppetd To Work

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/21/2009 10:32 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

If you have local DNS setup, you can add puppet as a CNAME for your
server.  If not, you could add it to /etc/hosts.  I've always done the
former.

   

Okay, so that would work like this:


puppet.  CNAME deafeng3.signtype.info.
deafeng3.signtype.info A   192.168.4.75
 


You _may_ not want the . at the end of puppet., as that will make the
fqdn puppet, rather than puppet.signtype.info.

I'm not positive that it will matter or not.  You just want to be sure
that the certificate names match, otherwise puppet will fail to verify
those certificates and you'll get new errors when you try to connect
to the puppetmaster. :)
   


I left my puppetmaster server and puppet client running with 'puppet.' 
in the CNAME record instead 'puppet' in hopes of seeing what happens 
when the client tries to connect to the puppet master. Look at these 
messages in /var/log/messages that I got just now. What do you think of 
these?


Jun 21 10:52:32 deafeng3 puppetmasterd[3281]: Compiled catalog for 
deafeng3.signtype.info in 0.02 seconds

Jun 21 10:52:32 deafeng3 puppetd[3339]: Starting catalog run
Jun 21 10:52:32 deafeng3 puppetd[3339]: Finished catalog run in 0.02 seconds


Does this indicate success?

Look at what happens when I try to ping 'puppet':

[...@deafeng3 ~]$ ping -c3 puppet
PING deafeng3.signtype.info (192.168.1.46) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from deafeng3.signtype.info (192.168.1.46): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 
time=0.101 ms
64 bytes from deafeng3.signtype.info (192.168.1.46): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 
time=0.106 ms
64 bytes from deafeng3.signtype.info (192.168.1.46): icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 
time=0.103 ms


To get the above result I did one other thing. I edited /etc/hosts to 
indicate that puppet is an alias for this machine. However I have not 
restarted networking yet. Here is the edit I made:


192.168.1.46deafeng3.signtype.info deafeng3 puppet

I'm at the very start of the puppet tutorial where I just try to get the 
puppet client on the same machine as the puppetmaster to work with the 
sudo.pp class. I haven't yet tried to get a puppet client on a different 
machine to connect to the server.


It looks like each time the puppet client tries to connect to the 
server, it possibly issues an ifconfig. I haven't looked at the source 
to confirm that. Look at these messages from Selinux:


Jun 21 10:52:33 deafeng3 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing ifconfig 
(ifconfig_t) "read" security_t. For complete SELinux messages. run 
sealert -l 0c1fa1a8-f807-4016-947c-ffbb64975302
Jun 21 10:52:33 deafeng3 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing ifconfig 
(ifconfig_t) "read" security_t. For complete SELinux messages. run 
sealert -l 0c1fa1a8-f807-4016-947c-ffbb64975302





   

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'll give it a try pending
confirmation. This would be very helpful material in the
reductivelabs.com tutorial for puppet.
 


I imagine generalizing it to note that the name of the puppetmaster
defaults to puppet and that a CNAME or host entry should be present
prior to starting the puppetmaster might be good.  That and the
alternative of setting the server parameter in the config file.  It's
been a while since I read through the docs from the beginning, so I
don't know where the best location is for this or whether it's in
there somewhere.

It is a wiki though, so if you're reading along and find places that
could be improved, feel free to add them.  (It's probably good to make
notes locally and them come back to them after you've got things
working to see which things still need improvement and which parts are
actually clear once you've read through all the docs. :)
   


Yes, taking notes is extremely important. I totally agree.

Bob

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Re: Getting Puppetd To Work

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/20/2009 11:16 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

How do I rename my server to be "puppet" as you suggest?
 


If you have local DNS setup, you can add puppet as a CNAME for your
server.  If not, you could add it to /etc/hosts.  I've always done the
former.

   

Okay, so that would work like this:


puppet.  CNAME deafeng3.signtype.info.
deafeng3.signtype.info A   192.168.4.75


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I'll give it a try pending 
confirmation. This would be very helpful material in the 
reductivelabs.com tutorial for puppet.




How do I recreate the puppetmaster certificates?
 


I think just removing /var/lib/puppet/ssl is the simplest way.  (Move
it elsewhere if you want to safe.)  Do this on both the client and the
server, if they are different.  When you start the puppetmaster again
it will create new certificates.

   

I'll give this a whirl too.


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Re: Getting Puppetd To Work

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/20/2009 10:07 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

I'm getting messages like this in /var/log/messages when I run
puppetd (from the puppet client I think...the server is called
'puppetmaster'.)

Jun 20 19:16:00 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not find server :
getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
Jun 20 19:16:00 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not retrieve catalog:
Could not find server puppet
 


By default, puppet will look for a server named 'puppet'.  If your
puppetmaster (aka puppet server) is named 'puppetmaster', you'd have
to change the puppet configuration to make it look for 'puppetmaster'.

I'd probably rename my puppetmaster instead of changing the puppet
confif, at least until you get a bit more familiar with puppet.
Though you do need to take care to re-create the puppetmaster
certificates if you rename the puppetmaster.

   

How do I rename my server to be "puppet" as you suggest?

How do I recreate the puppetmaster certificates?

The Selinux ifconfig denials I mentioned earlier always seem to start 
when puppet starts. And yes, I'm hoping to get puppet running on Fedora 11.



Thanks

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Getting Puppetd To Work

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm getting messages like this in /var/log/messages when I run puppetd 
(from the puppet client I think...the server is called 'puppetmaster'.)


Jun 20 19:16:00 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not find server : 
getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
Jun 20 19:16:00 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not retrieve catalog: 
Could not find server puppet
Jun 20 19:16:01 deafeng3 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing ifconfig 
(ifconfig_t) "read" security_t. For complete SELinux messages. run 
sealert -l 4844399e-6861-497f-b883-5d9cbe05fa79
Jun 20 19:16:01 deafeng3 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing ifconfig 
(ifconfig_t) "read" security_t. For complete SELinux messages. run 
sealert -l 4844399e-6861-497f-b883-5d9cbe05fa79
Jun 20 19:46:01 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not find server : 
getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
Jun 20 19:46:01 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not retrieve catalog: 
Could not find server puppet
Jun 20 20:16:02 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not find server : 
getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
Jun 20 20:16:02 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not retrieve catalog: 
Could not find server puppet
Jun 20 20:16:03 deafeng3 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing ifconfig 
(ifconfig_t) "read" security_t. For complete SELinux messages. run 
sealert -l 4844399e-6861-497f-b883-5d9cbe05fa79
Jun 20 20:16:03 deafeng3 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing ifconfig 
(ifconfig_t) "read" security_t. For complete SELinux messages. run 
sealert -l 4844399e-6861-497f-b883-5d9cbe05fa79
Jun 20 20:46:03 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not find server : 
getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
Jun 20 20:46:03 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not retrieve catalog: 
Could not find server puppet
Jun 20 21:16:04 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not find server : 
getaddrinfo: Temporary failure in name resolution
Jun 20 21:16:04 deafeng3 puppetd[2556]: Could not retrieve catalog: 
Could not find server puppet



How to fix the problems (which also involve Selinux)? I'm running in 
permissive mode.


Thanks

Bob

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Re: sha256sum

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/18/2009 08:41 PM, stan wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:24:56 -0400
terry  wrote:
   

Todd
I interpret the above as ... sha256sum Fedora-xxx-xxx-CHecksum and
the program looks for the iso and calculates the number and checks
them with the checksum file for a match or no match? No? If so, this
doesn't work. It is the same answer as Steve Searle's and Doc
Savage's. I think more detail is needed.

 

As it happens, I just downloaded the f11 dvd today and ran a check on
it.  I used the program shasum with the checksum file for F11 I
downloaded.

In a directory with both the Fedora iso file and the iso's checksum-file
present, run the command:

shasum -c checksum-file

This will read the list of checksums in the file, and look for the
files that generated those checksums in the present directory.  It will
then run the same check on them that the checksum was generated with in
the file. It will compare the two checksums and tell you if they are
the same.

Clear as mud? :-)
   


Example:

$ sha256sum -c ubuntu-9.04-desktop-sha256sum.txt
ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso: OK

[What is in the file ubuntu-9.04-desktop-sha256sum.txt?]

$ cat ubuntu-9.04-desktop-sha256sum.txt
774f97a21ab3f67d0716bd42db4c0a3747309825e106c6ac83ac8bfe5398c9bd 
ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso


[ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso is in the same directory as 
ubuntu-9.04-desktop-sha256sum.txt]


Bob

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SCSI Controller Card Compatible With RHEL and Fedora

[Robert L Cochran]

I need to run a very old SCSI hard drive, the Seagate ST34573W, with 
these operating systems:


* Fedora 11+ (maybe a little)
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5+ (a lot, till the drive can be retired)

My question is, what's a cheap, reliable SCSI controller card that I can 
buy for this hard drive and will be recognized out of the box by RHEL 
and Fedora?


Bob





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How To Start Puppet

[Robert L Cochran]

I just installed puppet, meaning

puppet.noarch 0.24.8-1.fc11
puppet-server.noarch   0.24.8-1.fc11

On Fedora 11 x86_64.

I then began following instructions at this website: 
http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/SimplestPuppetInstallRecipe



and I'm now at "Step Three: start the Puppetmaster".

For a Fedora installation, can I just do:

su -c 'service puppetmasterd start'

instead of

sudo puppetmasterd --mkusers

(as described on the web page)? When I check 'man puppetmasterd' I don't see 
'mkusers' listed as an option.

Thanks

Bob Cochran




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Re: laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/16/2009 07:16 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Globe Trotter writes:



Hi,

Does anyone know how to address this problem? My laptop battery died 
while upgrading using Pre-upgrade. It was not connected. So what 
should I do when I switch it on?


Cross your fingers, and hope that your RPM database isn't fscked.


Any suggestions?


Nope, you'll be flying by the seat of your pants. It's anyone's guess 
what state your system will be in. Chances are fairly good that you'll 
be able to boot, at least in run level 1, so you can get a shell prompt.


Presuming that you can get a shell, the next step would be to assess 
the damage to your RPM database. Presuming that rpm --rebuilddb 
survives, the next step would be to run "rpm -q -a", and see what 
you've got.


When rpm goes down in a middle of updates, the most likely result is 
that the rpm database will list both the old and the new version of 
each package, and you'll need to compile a list of them all, and 
manually remove the old version of each package.


Been there, done that. It's not fun, but the only other option is to 
salvage the data, reformat, and reinstall.


Once you manage to put your rpm database in a sane state, the next 
best thing to do is to forget preupgrade, and run F11's installer, 
which will clean up and finish the install.




I wonder if preupgrade keeps a log file of what it did up to the point 
your battery died? I also wonder if it built a kickstart file and saved 
to it incrementally? How about terminal output, was that saved anywhere? 
I've never done a preupgrade, my preference is to do fresh installs and 
then copy over the important data bits from my network. But I presume it 
logs its progress somewhere? Or not? What I'm hoping for is that there 
is a file somewhere that can be fed back to preupgrade which says: "I 
was at this point a when the system died. I can resume processing from 
here."


Bob

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Re: Root Access

[Robert L Cochran]

The "locked box" approach is probably not used in very large 
enterprises. At least not where I work (> 100,000 employees, > 98,000 
Tier 3 workstations.)


Bob


On 06/15/2009 03:14 PM, Phil Meyer wrote:

Mike Dwiggins wrote:
I installed Fedora 11 on a dual-boot machine.  When I booted up on 
the Fedora partition I went straight to /etc/pam.d/gdm and deleted 
the line which keeps out root as a login.
I still cannot login as root!  Did this version hide a block on root 
somewhere else?




Many have answered properly here, but it may not be common knowledge 
how it is done professionally in large shops.


In most big data centers, the root password is not known to anyone, 
but is kept in a sealed envelope in a locked drawer at the operations 
center, which is manned 24x7.  It takes manager approval to open the 
desk, lock-box, envelope, and get the root password.


Consider that, next time you 'think' you need to log in as root.  I 
personally have administered UNIX/Linux systems for years at a time 
without ever typing the root password, or logging in as root.


During automated installs, and all large shops do/should be doing 
automated installs, the root password is set.


Management, and the operations staff can set the root passwords across 
all systems at once, and without notice to me or any other administrator.


In fact, normal users cannot log into most systems, and administrators 
can only log in remotely with ssh keys (no passwords) to the systems 
that they administer.


Just a thought.  It was never intended that casual users ever log in 
as root on any UNIX based system, and should have been less prevalent 
on Linux for many years.


I myself, felt it necessary to log in as root on Linux systems for one 
post install session, up until about Fedora 2.  But not since then.


Good Luck!



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Re: Are there any BMR (bare metal restore) style apps for linux

[Robert L Cochran]

Also G4U. I tend to use G4U right away when I must work on someone 
else's system. I run off a clone of the hard drive to one of my spares. 
It is so nice having those clones for "CYA" purposes.

ddrescue is great for drives which are ready to crash and show bad sectors
Testdisk and Photorec are both pretty amazing at recovering lost 
partitions and recovering deleted files, respectively.


Bob


On 06/15/2009 01:08 PM, Kam Leo wrote:

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Gabriel - IP
Guys  wrote:
   

Dear All,



Thank you for taking the time to read  my email, I’m looking for a BMR app
for fedora, so that I can at least have the piece of mind that I can rebuild
within an hour rather than a day or so. I’ve looked at Amanda, but I’m wary
about the BMR capabilities, any hints or tips?



Kind Regards,

Mr Gabriel
 


What you are looking for is disk imaging software. Try Ghost for Linux
(G4L), http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l

   


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Re: unable to login as root on F11

[Robert L Cochran]

To reinforce what Todd says...I don't feel any need to have a graphical 
(Gnome-based) login as root. There just isn't the need. You can use


`su -`

in a terminal window to get root access, then 'exit' when you are done 
with the task at hand. Typically, I only need root access for 
configuring services or normal updates or software installs.


I do all my most important work, the stuff that really matters, as an 
unprivileged user.


Bob




On 06/14/2009 09:55 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Markus Kesaromous wrote:
   

At the gnome login banner:
logging in as root is denied because it is unable to authenticate.
I have tried with seLinux enabled and disabled to no avail.
What do I need to do so I can login as root ?
 


It's funny you should ask, as the subject has been discussed as
recently as today on this very list.

The cookie cutter HOWTO is available at:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_Root_User_For_GNOME_Display_Manager

I would *strongly* urge you to ask yourself why you feel that you
should login as root.  Odds are very good that you have no need to do
so and you would be much better off learning how to acheive your goals
using less drastic measures than root login to a full X session.

If it was only your foot that you could be shooting, I'd probably care
less.  But if you insist on doing things insecurely and without
knowing your system well, you may very well find your box compromised
and causing grief to other people on the internet.

   


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Re: Linux based Data Recovery Tools

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm doing something like that right now using a Linux distro named 
"Recovery Is Possible Linux" or RIPLinux. In fact I was using RIP 
version 9.1 to help me rescue a system. It had a little trouble booting 
on an Hp Pavillion a6400z system, but I retried and it booted up fine 
the second try. Then I started using some of the tools:


ddrescue to duplicate the bad hard drive to a brand new hard drive

testdisk to analyze the contents of the new hard drive

I think I need to recover one bad area of 8,192 bytes from what the 
ddrescue log told me. Maybe "PhotoRec", a companion program that comes 
with testdisk, can do that for me.


I'm actually extremely surprised a Hitachi hard drive built last year 
would go bad so soon, but the system itself was in an extremely dirty 
environment and when I opened the case I found some huge "dust bunnies" 
in  there. Maybe the accumulated dust jacked up the operating 
temperature of the hard drive and that damaged it.


http://rip.7bf.de/current/

Bob




On 06/14/2009 09:28 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote:

I'm looking for suggestions on disk data recovery tools that can address
files and partitions formatted NTFS and EXt2/3. Ideally, I'd like
something that runs natively on Linux - specifically Fedora - but would
be willing to settle if I must for something I could run from a Windows
VM.

I see lots of on-line propaganda, but would really like to not waste my
time and money on something that I can't be confident about. Moreover, I
would strongly prefer something licensed under the GPL.

Anyone have any favorites I can consider?

Cheers,

Chris

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Re: Questions with rsync

[Robert L Cochran]

This is a very useful thread for me to follow. You asked some 
interesting questions that led to answers with complete rsync scripts 
provided. That's what I call a really great response!


It does help if you read `man rsync` and the web resources carefully. 
They can answer a lot of questions.


You may want to read a copy of the book "Backup and Recovery" by W. 
Curtis Preston. It was published by O'Reilly in 2007 and might even 
feature current technologies...and it is available from Amazon. Preston 
wrote an earlier book with almost the same title, whuch is out of print. 
That one is "Unix Backup and Recovery" and I have it here.


http://www.backupcentral.com/

Bob




On 06/13/2009 10:22 PM, gmspro wrote:

--- On Sat, 6/6/09, Mail Lists  wrote:

   

From: Mail Lists
Subject: Re: Questions with rsync
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using 
Fedora."
Cc: "GMS S"
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 6:18 AM
On 06/04/2009 06:28 AM, Steven Stern
wrote:
 

On 06/04/2009 12:53 AM, GMS S wrote:
   

mv backup.8 backup.9
mv backup.7 backup.8
mv backup.6 backup.7
 

   Have you tried rdiff-backup ? It will do all this
for you ... and its
as easy to use as rsync alone.
 


Do rsync and rdiff-backup have the option of compression.
I think they just copy the files.
Is it possible to backup 20GB partition into 8GB or below 8GB using rsync or 
rdiff-backup?




   


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Re: Can Fedora 11 Mount an SCO OpenServer 5 (HTFS) disk?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/14/2009 09:51 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
I need to mount an SCO OpenServer 5 (HTFS) disk on Fedora 11. I think 
I can image the source hard drive to a USB flash drive and then just 
plug the drive into my Fedora 11 laptop. Will Fedora 11 mount the 
OpenServer partitions automatically, or do I need to enable this and 
compile the kernel first? I don't imagine OpenServer boxes are all 
over the place, but I stumbled into this one. (Smile).


The information in /proc/filesystems should reflect the capabilities 
in the kernel, I don't remember if the modules need to be loaded to 
show capabilities.
Modules are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/fs and I don't see HTFS 
although the name might be different.


Thank you, I learned something from you. I'm not sure if SCO OpenServer 
5 is an htfs or a ufs filesystem. I read references to both on the web 
when I Google. I see ufs listed in this directory


/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs

So maybe the next time I am with that OpenServer box I can copy its file 
system and plug it into Fedora 11 and see what will happen. I'm not 
averse to compiling the kernel if I must.


Bob

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Re: Root Access

[Robert L Cochran]

I seem able to do everything I need to with just an su - to root from a 
terminal window. I don't need a Gnome login for root, in other words. So 
I've left the defaults in place. All is well. A bit more secure in fact.


Bob


On 06/13/2009 11:35 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Mike Dwiggins wrote:
   

I installed Fedora 11 on a dual-boot machine.  When I booted up on
the Fedora partition I went straight to /etc/pam.d/gdm and deleted
the line which keeps out root as a login.

I still cannot login as root!  Did this version hide a block on root
somewhere else?
 


Yes.  You also need to edit /etc/pam.d/gdm-password (and _possibly_
/etc/pam.d/gdm-fingerprint if you use a fingerprint reader).

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_Root_User_For_GNOME_Display_Manager

Not to pick on you in particular Mike, but I really think that folks
who feel they need to login as root ought to be better at knowing how
to diagnose and fix such problems.

   


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Can Fedora 11 Mount an SCO OpenServer 5 (HTFS) disk?

[Robert L Cochran]

I need to mount an SCO OpenServer 5 (HTFS) disk on Fedora 11. I think I 
can image the source hard drive to a USB flash drive and then just plug 
the drive into my Fedora 11 laptop. Will Fedora 11 mount the OpenServer 
partitions automatically, or do I need to enable this and compile the 
kernel first? I don't imagine OpenServer boxes are all over the place, 
but I stumbled into this one. (Smile).


Thanks

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Re: OpenJDK / IcedTea is ###p

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm quite sure of my professional and hobby needs for the Sun Java 
releases, not OpenJDK.


Bob


On 06/13/2009 03:35 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

Yeah, I'm sure. Been there. Done that.
 


And can you provide any details or are they under some NDA or trade secret
protection?

But you haven't replied to the Arduino part: How does it not work with
OpenJDK? As that one is Free Software, the OpenJDK developers should be
able to fix the bug (whether it's in OpenJDK or in Arduino) if you explain
what's going wrong.

There's one thing I hate, and it's complaints about things "not working"
without any information which would allow fixing them!
* HOW does it not work?
* Have you reported this to the developers? You have NO right to complain if
you didn't.

 Kevin Kofler

   


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Re: OpenJDK / IcedTea is ###p

[Robert L Cochran]

Yeah, I'm sure. Been there. Done that.

Bob


On 06/13/2009 12:25 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

Arduino software (from http://www.arduino.cc/ ) needs the Sun Java
version to run properly.
 


Have you actually tried it with OpenJDK? Projects will often say "you need
Sun Java" (mostly due to bad experiences with GCJ- or Classpath-based
runtimes), but just work with OpenJDK. Plus, the code is GPL, so it should
be trivial to fix if it doesn't work properly. If you have tried it and it
doesn't work, please explain what's not working, people here should be able
to help you fix it.

   

I also need Sun Java for work-related projects.
 


Again, are you sure you do? OpenJDK is 100% compliant to the JCK (Java
Compatibility Kit, the official Java compliance test) and something like
99% identical to Sun Java 1.6 (it supports even several non-standard sun.*
and com.sun.* classes and other implementation details, as it's derived
from the same codebase).

 Kevin Kofler

   


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Am I Missing Fedora 11 Updates?

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm not missing any updates, have I? It has been a few days without 
them. I'm using a Fedora 11 which was installed way back during the beta 
period and kept up to date ever since. Perhaps my yum is set up wrong?


--

# yum update
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit
adobe-linux-i386 
|  951 B 00:00
updates/metalink 
|  13 kB 00:00

Setting up Update Process
No Packages marked for Update
[r...@deafeng3 ~]# cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 11 (Leonidas)



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Re: Fresh Fedora 11 fetches 362MB+ of updates, where's deltaRPM?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 06/12/2009 06:21 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:



On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Arthur Pemberton > wrote:


On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Fernando Cassiamailto:fcas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
This isn't a free, infinite resource.


If you follow the discussion tree you´ll see that the discussion 
quickly  morphed in all sort of excuses against DeltaRPMs like "my  
repository doesn´t implement it so it negates any benefits, switching 
to another compression  may be better" or that "why don´t we offload 
cpu usage to the repos" (ridiculous, if someone agrees to host a 
repository they´re already contributing their bandwidth and ftp/http 
server, it´s the distros creator´s job to actually, gee, create the RPMs).


FC


As Arthur said this is not a free resource. Someone has to pay for those 
cpu cycles and the network bandwidth. I still remember wayy back 
when Red Hat the company was building the Red Hat Network -- some here 
may remember it. RHN is still in use but I suspect it is devoted 
entirely to the Red Hat Enterprise Linux and JBoss customers. I actually 
bought a subscription to RHN back then, which for a short time I could 
use for Red Hat Linux updates. But that download pipe was turned off and 
my subscription I think was refunded on a prorated basis.


I don't know how Fedora pays for all the costs of providing updates, I 
never looked too closely at the funding aspects in fact. But someone out 
there is shelling out big money for this. Someone is paying salaries, 
infrastructure, office space, and more. That is the reality of it. And 
if the donors involved are feeling the economic pinch, they might just 
give less in the way of funding.


In fact I'm quite surprised that Fedora hasn't implemented a paid 
subscription system for release downloads and release updates similar to 
RHN. I know that people interested in downloading the new Eclipse 
Galileo version can pay $30 to a different group of people to get early 
preferential download access to Galileo. Someone paid for the expensive 
hardware and bandwidth to provide premium service with.


Bob Cochran

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Re: OpenJDK / IcedTea is ###p

[Robert L Cochran]

Arduino software (from http://www.arduino.cc/ ) needs the Sun Java 
version to run properly. This is what the Java alternatives system is 
for. You can install the Sun JDK yourself and add it to the alternatives 
and then make it your default Java system. I also need Sun Java for 
work-related projects. I think the reality is, most people still do have 
a real and pressing need (think "paycheck" and "promotion") for the Sun 
Java version.


Bob

On 06/12/2009 03:17 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Please pardon my French

First thing I did after installing F11 was opening a command prompt 
and see the level of Java included.


$ java -version
java version "1.6.0_0"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.5) (fedora-22.b16.fc11-i386)
OpenJDK Client VM (build 14.0-b15, mixed mode)

good, I think.

So I load the default Firefox browser, type About:plugins, see:


IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin

File name: IcedTeaPlugin.so
The IcedTea Java Web Browser Plugin 1.4.1
(fedora-20.b14.fc11-i386) executes Java applets.

And so Ioad the Java Tester URL
http://www.javatester.org/version.html

and get... NOTHING. The applet doesn't load. Doesn't show up.

Thoughts? Comments? Expletives? ;-)

FC
PS: I think the installer should ask "do you want the Stallman-blessed 
JVM that causes more problems than it solves, or the Sun JRE that just 
woks ?" then it would proceed to contact the java.sun.com 
 web site, display the EULA. and upon agreement 
proceed to install it. Sheesh. ;-)


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Re: Anyone Successfully Install with RAID1 or LVM over RAID1?

[Robert L Cochran]

Could you post the bug number?

Thanks

Bob


On 06/11/2009 06:27 PM, Brian Hanks wrote:
Has anyone successfully installed F11 x86_64 using RAID1 or LVM on top 
of RAID1?  If so, what was the key to your success?  I'm looking for 
some suggestions.


I must admit that I'm getting a bit frustrated with Fedora releases 
that have Anaconda partitioning issues.  It seems that every second or 
third release I can successfully install a system with RAID1/LVM.  
This time around, it's not looking so good.  I participated in 
pre-release testing and thought that these problems were behind us.


Anyway, I've install F11 (i386 & x86_64) successfully several times as 
long as I leave RAID1 out of the picture.  I did find a few other 
small bugs in the partitioning tool, but none that I couldn't work 
around.  I have filed a bug report for this latest issue.


My main problem at this point is that I want a fresh F11 install on my 
main workstation, but the installer isn't happy with my preferred 
partition scheme.  I also need to point out that this is a 
partitioning layout that I've been using successfully using for many, 
many years and many, many versions of RedHat/Fedora.


Hopefully, there will be some solution in the near future.


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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm surprised this thread was reawakened...makes me wonder what sort of 
child I created here!


I first used Alan's suggestion about checking for, and if possible, 
using the security erase feature of a security-erase enabled hard drive. 
This drive was too old to have such a feature. I checked it with hdparm 
-I and then hdparm -i to verify the fact.


I then used Sam's dd suggestion on the drive. I selected his suggestion 
because dd is standard Unix/Linux software, it has presumably passed 
security audits, and I don't have to make some decision about whether it 
would "phone home" on me or perhaps leave a nice little tar file on some 
area of the drive.


Then I disassembled the drive. You don't need a standard screwdriver for 
it; the main requirement is a torx driver and a little ability to peel 
off the seals marked "warranty void if removed".


I then did some fairly nasty things to the read/write heads and platters 
and threw out certain items drive hardware so that it is most unlikely 
the drive can be reassembled. The platters were futher belabored and 
rendered scratched, badly bent, and little-kid dirty.


Thanks to all who answered. I'm anxious to try out Alan's "security 
erase" suggestion on a much newer drive. It appears to be a lot less 
labor intensive.


Bob



On 06/09/2009 05:00 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:

Robert L Cochran wrote:
I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the 
most dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or 
ext4 or some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?


Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense 
to every storage location?



Overwriting the disc, even several times, is not enough to guarantee
that the data _cannot_ be recovered. If you truly need to make the
data unrecoverable, then a hammer is all that's needed. To be truly
sure, open the case (also requires a screwdriver or nutdriver),
and shatter each disc separately. They are usually ceramic these
days, I think. Anyway, physical destruction is the only real guarantee.

Mike


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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/29/2009 09:46 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:

On 05/29/2009 05:44 PM, Alan Cox wrote:

'shred' is part of coreutils (i.e. installed by default).
Doing something like

shred /dev/sdX

as root will write various bit patterns 25 times over the entire drive
(see the man page for more options).


Whoopeeedoo. Thats still not the correct way to erase a disk.

Use security erase, that is why it is there.


Thanks very much to all who responded! I'm going to use Alan's 
suggestion first of all and if necessary a mixture of everyone else's. 
For good measure maybe I'll dump a pound or so of salt in a gallon of 
nice hot water and drop the hard drive in and wait for signs of rust 
to appear. Ha ha!


Thanks again!

Bob


I bet you all want to know what I did to the hard drive. Well, maybe you 
don't. First off, I tried to find out of the drive has a secure erase 
feature.


# hdparm -I /dev/sdb

/dev/sdb:
HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid exchange
# hdparm -i /dev/sdb

/dev/sdb:
HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument

[It does not seem to have a secure erase feature.]

[So I did this:]

# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
dd: writing `/dev/sdb': No space left on device
28630+0 records in
28629+0 records out
30020272128 bytes (30 GB) copied, 1579.48 s, 19.0 MB/s
#

...and tomorrow, I will remove the circuit board from the drive, and if 
time allows, try out the brine-and-cola treatment. Or perhaps I'll 
disassemble the drive into parts for my own education.


Thanks everyone!

Bob

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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/30/2009 04:49 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:


Alan Cox wrote:
   

Use security erase, that is why it is there.


 


How do you access the security erase facility?
   


From `man hdparm`:

--security-erase PWD
Erase (locked) drive, using password PWD (DANGEROUS). Password is given 
as an ASCII string and is padded with NULs to reach 32 bytes. The
applicable drive password is selected with the --user-master switch. No 
other flags are permitted on the command line with this one. THIS FEA-

TURE IS EXPERIMENTAL AND NOT WELL TESTED. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

--security-erase-enhanced PWD
Enhanced erase (locked) drive, using password PWD (DANGEROUS). Password 
is given as an ASCII string and is padded with NULs to reach 32 bytes.
The applicable drive password is selected with the --user-master switch. 
No other flags are permitted on the command line with this one. THIS

FEATURE IS EXPERIMENTAL AND NOT WELL TESTED. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

I think that is what Alan means. You can google on 'security erase' to 
look for the procedure for doing it. The drive itself has to be capable 
of this kind of erasure.


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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

is 'ha ha' because of suggestions, or aluminum rusting?
   


I think the idea of dropping a hard drive in brine is funny. Hence the 
ha ha!



if you have no need for drive and wish to insure removing all data,
take drive apart, remove disk and burn oxide coating with a torch.
or use lighter fluid or charcoal starter.
   


That's another interesting suggestion. Very imaginative too!

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Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/29/2009 05:44 PM, Alan Cox wrote:

'shred' is part of coreutils (i.e. installed by default).
Doing something like

shred /dev/sdX

as root will write various bit patterns 25 times over the entire drive
(see the man page for more options).
 


Whoopeeedoo. Thats still not the correct way to erase a disk.

Use security erase, that is why it is there.
   


Thanks very much to all who responded! I'm going to use Alan's 
suggestion first of all and if necessary a mixture of everyone else's. 
For good measure maybe I'll dump a pound or so of salt in a gallon of 
nice hot water and drop the hard drive in and wait for signs of rust to 
appear. Ha ha!


Thanks again!

Bob


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Re: Application Server Software For Fedora 10/11/CentOS

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/29/2009 12:36 PM, RS wrote:

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 22:35 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

I'm interested in setting up a Fedora system as an application server so
that it works like/has features similar to IBM's WebSphere Application
Server. I can't afford IBM's licensing costs. Is there an open source
application server that works more or less the same and will run on
either Fedora 10 or 11 or CentOS?

Thanks

Bob Cochran

 


Depends on the features you need from the app server. IBM ships a
boatload of "enterprise" features with the websphere stack. If you need
EJB, Messaging, web services, JSF and other Java EE 5 features your
options are:

* JBoss
* Glassfish
* Apache Geronimo
* JoNAS

All of the above are FOSS one way or the other

For lighter JSP/Servlet/Spring type apps:

* Tomcat
* Jetty

HTH,
Ravi
   


Thank you very much for your suggestions, Ravi and Veli-Pekka!

Bob

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Application Server Software For Fedora 10/11/CentOS

[Robert L Cochran]

I'm interested in setting up a Fedora system as an application server so 
that it works like/has features similar to IBM's WebSphere Application 
Server. I can't afford IBM's licensing costs. Is there an open source 
application server that works more or less the same and will run on 
either Fedora 10 or 11 or CentOS?


Thanks

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OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?

[Robert L Cochran]

I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most 
dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or 
some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data?


Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to 
every storage location?


Thanks

Bob Cochran

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Re: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 160M

[Robert L Cochran]

I've read through this thread as well, and I too would like to thank 
everyone for their views.


I too work in a large organization where I have absolutely no choice in 
the hardware and software selections (for 98,000+ active computer 
workstations.) I don't have a voice in those selections either, and yes 
I've tried lobbying for some flexibility.


It is can be fun to blindly insist on one thing without any flexibility 
in the matter.


What I try to do is work as well as I can with what my employer 
provides. That is what was provided to me as an employee. I'm not going 
to waste too much time complaining about it because it is also true that 
every minute spent complaining is a minute I'm not getting my job done. 
And I have a family to think about.


So folks, no zealotry for me. I'm quite happy with my paycheck. I need it.

There will come a time when I decide I need proprietary drivers. I've 
used them before and I will again.


I do recognize there are plenty of open source people out there working 
to offer alternative choices, and I support them too. I made a choice to 
use Fedora outside of my work place. But in making that choice I also 
decided to be practical and understand there are times when I may have 
to use non-free solutions.


Bob



On 05/23/2009 03:36 AM, François Patte wrote:

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Kevin Kofler wrote:
 

Stop considering proprietary drivers "acceptable", they are not.

 Kevin Kofler


   

So imagine that there is a newbie Linux user starting to read this list and
he/she just happens to own one single machine that just happens to have an
Nvidia graphics card - are you suggesting that people on this list tell this
new user to go away and buy a better machine with the "appropriate"
hardware, simply because Fedora default install does not support his/her
graphics card. C'mon now - be reasonable! He/she will likely go look for
another Linux distro!
 


First I want to thank anybody who answered...

On this subject: proprietary/non-proprietary, I would like to say that
maybe some people can choose to only use free software, but it is not
the case for everybody.

1- My lab in my university has contracts with companies and I have to
choose in a panel of offers. For computers, it is Dell and Dell's offer
is with nvidia graphic. What can I do?

2- I am not a computer scientist, I use computers (like many people) and
I do not want to waste a lot of time to find out how to configure new
hardwares I have never seen before. I know how to configure nvidia
graphic cards because we have many computers with nvidia. All cards, up
to now, are from Geforce series and I did not know if Quadro series were
supported by fedora OS.

3- Many times we have to deal with hardwares using proprietary drivers,
nvidia is among them. But, it seems to me that nvidia gives a lot of
documentation on their cards and provides drivers and help for linux
which make them easy to use This is not the case for all hardware
manufacturers: who had never experienced a modem or lan or wifi card not
working on his laptop?

4- Why not believe that one day nvidia will make open sources drivers?
Sun, is now going to furnish an open source jre. Why? Is it because a
lot of people from linux community refused to use the free, but not open
sources, Sun jre? I don't think so!


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Re: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 160M

[Robert L Cochran]

I have the Latitude E6400 and it is pretty nice. I'm using it right now 
with Fedora 11. I'm using the 160M video card:


01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 160M 
(rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

Subsystem: Dell Device 0233
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
Memory at f500 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at e000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Memory at f200 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M]
I/O ports at df00 [size=128]
[virtual] Expansion ROM at f400 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: 
Kernel modules: nouveau

I also use this same computer with Fedora 10. I have two hard drives and 
I swap these in a lot depending on which OS I want to use.


Good points about the E6400:

it is pretty fast if you get a processor with a lot of L2 and plenty of 
RAM (I have 4 Gb).

It can drive a 24" monitor at 1900 x 1200 resolution.
It is not too heavy but a netbook is less weight. In fact a netbook 
might be a better choice if you just want to surf the web and send email 
and develop on the Arduino platform.

The built-in webcam works great in Fedora!

Bad points about the E6400:

the keyboard backlight feature doesn't work well
It is difficult to get the plastic protector out of the SD card slot
the Intel 5300 agn wireless card does not seem to work well in Microsoft 
Windows, but is okay in Fedora! In fact the 5300 on my unit constantly 
drops connections when used in Microsoft Windows, to the point where I 
either connect a network cable to it or disable the wireless and use a 
USB wireless module.


Bob




On 05/21/2009 05:15 PM, François Patte wrote:

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I am going to buy a Dell laptop (Latitude E6400) with nvidia graphic
card Quadro NVS 160M, 256MB With PC-Card


Is this card working under fedora 10?

Does anybody have experienced this laptop?

Thanks for any answer.

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Re: F10 Wine/Garmin use

[Robert L Cochran]

Try the U. S. Geological Survey

Bob

On 05/16/2009 06:07 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 20:44 +, Beartooth wrote:
   

I'm running MapSource and TopoUS2008 under Wine on Fedora 10
Linux. I want to find the highest point on the highway from my house to my
in-laws', a couple hundred miles away.

The routing function insists on straight lines some times, and
follows roads other times -- regardless how I edit my preferences. How do
I make it go the way I want?

Once I do get it to do that, and then tell it to show the
profile, how do I get it to show me the various peaks *on* the *map*??
 


Frankly, I don't think this has anything to do with Fedora, or Linux, or
even Wine. You should look for a list or forum related to the apps
themselves.

poc

   


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Re: rpm experiences [was: Backing up whole system]

[Robert L Cochran]

I entirely agree with Rahul. There are many more tools and choices out 
there now compared to when I started programming in 1981. Back then it 
was just assembler, COBOL, and CICS and a bit of database stuff (also 
IBM style.) Now the list goes on and on. In modern development, you have 
to take into account the many security concerns and the ability to 
rapidly distribute code over the Internet. You can release this morning 
and have hundreds to tens of thousands of users tonight. That is 
changing the entire face of applications development as one's user base 
finds bugs rapidly (and sometimes these are show stoppers) and one's 
code is actively attacked by malware. So approaches to software 
development become ever more complex. They have to be.


Bob



On 05/10/2009 01:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

On 05/10/2009 10:24 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

   

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package

Rahul
   

Which, if printed, is still 29 pages, Rahul.
 


Number of pages is a very meaningless metric to decide the scope of
useful documentation. I have worked as a technical writer and
determining the usefulness or conciseness of a document is a much harder
task than simply counting the number of pages. You can shorten the
number by reducing the size of the font. Would that make it more
concise, suddenly?

Note that above page can be shortened by excluding information or adding
more references but it all depends on the audience.

   

Clear and Concise writing seems to be a lost art.  There has been 10x more
pages written on rpm now, than Kernigan&  Ritchie put in the original C book,
but that book, and its successor (I have both) can be used for a demo of how
to write clear, concise docs.
 


K&R C book is reference material. Hardly a beginner introduction. Ask
someone who has actually spend time building both RPM and DEB packages,
which one has been easier and why. Finding a random PDF online and
blaming the tool is hardly the sensible thing to do.  Simplicity is not
the same as simple.

Building software is inherently a complex task. Tools can only help so
far. RPM is only a small part of it. Eventually you will have to learn
different source code management tools (earlier just cvs. now add git,
mercurial and more), compiler and other core utilities (sed, awk, perl
...), build automation tools (again, these keep increasing - autotools,
cmake and so on), build system tools and so on. After years, one will
barely have scratched the surface of the full scope of these.

Rahul

   


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Re: Still having problems with my tv tuner -- need help

[Robert L Cochran]

Plus there are people like me who are reading this thread because of 
interest in TV cards. I was looking at a few last night.


Bob


On 05/10/2009 09:30 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

William Case wrote:
   

I was ready to give up.  However, I am definitely not getting the second
dev so I will try finding out why tomorrow.  I was sure I had carefully
installed everything as instructed.

Showing me what I should be seeing is a great help.

I'll leave everyone alone now.  If I can't get it working I'll quit
trying.  If I can, I will post the solution.

 

Don't give up - as Paul said, try the video4linux project. It isn't
that we don't want to help - it is just that nobody on this list has
experience with your hardware. Please keep us updated on what you
find, even if it is something like your card is not fully supported
yet. (I have run into that a time or two...)

Mikkel
   


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Re: How To Create /home on a Network Drive

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/09/2009 11:16 PM, Craig White wrote:

On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 22:35 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
   

I have two Fedora laptops. I would like to have my /home partition as a
separate partition on a network drive, such that when each laptop user
logs in, his or her /home/[user] directory is mounted from the network
drive. But I don't know how to do this. Suggestions?
 


might not be a good idea if the laptop is detached from the network
but...

man nfs

man auto.home
man auto.master

I know that Red Hat Enterprise documentation covers this pretty well and
there might be some documentation on Fedora Wiki but I haven't looked.

Craig
   


I think my brain must have shut down for the night. I wouldn't have such 
an easy time mounting /home in a restaurant, would I?


Thanks...

Bob



   


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How To Create /home on a Network Drive

[Robert L Cochran]

I have two Fedora laptops. I would like to have my /home partition as a 
separate partition on a network drive, such that when each laptop user 
logs in, his or her /home/[user] directory is mounted from the network 
drive. But I don't know how to do this. Suggestions?


Thanks

Bob

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Re: Backing up whole system

[Robert L Cochran]

For just one or two systems I would use G4U by Hubert Feyrer ( 
http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ ) or G4L by Michael D. Setzer II (please see 
his post in this thread.) I like to clone an entire hard disk and then 
store the clone offsite.


I have not used G4L enough to gain real experience with it. I should try 
to work with it enough to record a successful cloning action with G4L. 
With that said, my impression is that G4U adapts a little better to many 
but not all hardware setups. Hardware that G4U does not know about will 
render it unbootable or unusable. And very often, if G4U doesn't work on 
a given machine, G4L has trouble on it too. If both G4U and G4L do not 
work for me on a given machine, I move the disk I want to clone to 
another machine, and try to use G4U on that. If it seems to boot I go 
ahead with the cloning action.


I really should try to use G4L more often, too.

The up side of G4U/G4L is they both offer simple and quick cloning 
action without going through the $%^& of setting up certain dedicated 
backup software packages such as Amanda.


The down side of using G4U is that if you try to clone drive A to an 
external USB hard drive, the cloning action can take many hours. It is 
not quick. I have insufficient experience with G4L to discuss its 
performance.


I also use scp to copy important files to a network drive and while this 
is a backup, it is not an offsite backup. Very important difference. 
There are businesses like Web Hosting Talk which admit they made severe 
mistakes by not maintaining offsite backups. I should probably look into 
doing that.


Even homes now generally have more than one computer. Multiple laptops, 
one for each member of a family, are very common. I'd have to think 
about an effective backup strategy for those cases.


For nontechnical users one simply cannot use complex backup solutions 
though. I have enough experience to realize that. If the solution isn't 
simple and automatic it won't be used. For technical users, the same 
might apply, too, because tech people tend to be rather busy with tasks 
other than backup and recovery. A backup solution really needs to be as 
simple as turning a key.


Bob





On 05/09/2009 09:15 AM, GMS S wrote:

What is the best and easy way to backup whole fedora 10?

Thanks.
Fedora 10.




   


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Re: Backing up whole system

[Robert L Cochran]

I have an old edition of the book Unix Backup and Recovery by W. Curtis 
Preston. It is out of print now, but is available on Safari Books 
Online. Preston had, or still does have, a website devoted to Unix 
backup. Amanda was treated as but one backup option of many. There is a 
pretty good discussion of recovery in the book which often doesn't get 
much thought.


I think anyone needing to do professional backup and recovery for a 
small business needs to read Preston's book and then survey the current 
methodologies available.


Bob




On 05/09/2009 11:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 09 May 2009, GMS S wrote:
   

What is the best and easy way to backup whole fedora 10?

 

Since you picked two, best, easy, and cheap (as in free) being a given, amanda
installed from the tarball, NOT the rpms.  Easy might be relative though as
there is some setup and configuration to do before you assign it all to the
users crontab and forget it.  Trouble?  Subscribe to amanda-us...@amanda.org.
This is industrial grade stuff, used by some pretty big names.

Once setup, you don't have to tell it what to do, its smart enough to just do
it.

But, that setup complexity is offset by the ease with which one can fix a
screwup, like trying to install the latest version 9.4 ati proprietary drivers
cuz you've got an HD2400 Pro video card.  It didn't work, killed x, even after
I restored my original /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

But running amrecover allowed me to restore /usr/lib/X11/*, /usr/lib/xorg/*,
and wildcard /usr/lib/libGL* from the most recent backups, and my system is
back to normal.  All in about 10 minutes actual elapsed time.

That IS what you make backups for, to recover from such tom-foolery, so once
its running, I'd call it easiest to use because _you_ don't have to use it,
cron makes sure it is done so you don't forget.

And because the backups are done in the middle of the night when I'm long
since sawing logs, it is easily the best method, handling the scheduling such
that it tries to use about the same amount of tape every night.

But I don't use real tape, I use a Terrabyte HD, with 30 virtual tapes, which
are really just subdirs under the parent name of the backup config you setup
originally.  It emails me the results of the backup, so I'm made aware of any
problems such as a dying drive, which actually did happen just 2 weeks ago.  I
installed a fresh drive, ran my initialization scripts, made the first virtual
tape big enough to hold the system and let amanda do a level 0 backup to get
started again.  That dying drive was the second in 5 years.  Had I been using
real tapes, there would have been 10+ instances of that according to my
experience when using real tapes.  Hard drives are 10x as dependable as a 30x
costlier tape setup of the same size, and commodity priced so you don't weep
blood when one does die.

The best method, absolutely.  The easiest method once setup, absolutely.

Amanda's strength is its intelligence at managing how the backups are
sequenced and _nothing_ _else_ does it as well.  It is a whole new
philosophical approach to actually manage backups correctly.  It also won the
mark as the best backup in linux magazines annual user survey.  Several years
running now I believe.  Amanda was reasonably mature and probably 15+ years
old when I first started to use it 11 years ago and I found it much easier to
use than the bru that shipped with RH5.0 at the time.

   


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Re: Video Capture Software

[Robert L Cochran]

David Timms wrote:
> David Timms wrote:
>> Look at videodog, kino, mlt (in RPM Fusion RSN ?)
> Also cinelerra
> http://cinelerra.org/
>
> Currently in review at https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118
>
> But kwizart has it in kwizart repos:
> http://rpms.kwizart.net/fedora/10/i386/repoview/applications.multimedia.group.html
>
>
> DaveT.

Thank you for your help and advice with this. I'm going to give it a try
this weekend. I just picked up a brand new VCR from the friend I'm
helping with this project. Hopefully he bought a good one. This model
does have the cheap plastic feel. It's an Emerson EWV404, which only has
4 heads, but printed on the front panel is the phrase '19 micron head'.
We shall see if that means the unit is better than the Sony SLV-495.

Bob

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Video Capture Software

[Robert L. Cochran]

Is there video capture software that works similarly to Pinnacle Studio? I need 
to capture video from a bunch of 16-20 year old VHS tapes from a VCR. I'd like 
to do this in Fedora if possible. If such software exists, do I need a specific 
video capture card. Or is any old capture card okay? Like the Pinnacle 500-USB?

One last question. Is there software that can fix defects in captured video? 
Well, that is not the best question for me to ask, there are so many reasons 
why the defects can be present. I have a one hour sample capture from a 16 year 
old tape that has so many reddish off-color frames, so many jerky "motions" and 
other unnatural breaks in the playback that I wonder if it's a) the tape b) the 
VCR c) the cable d) [insert guess here...you get the idea.]

Thanks

Bob Cochran


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Re: "Blinking lights of death" ? Netgear Switch GS108

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/04/2009 04:19 PM, David Liguori wrote:



Aldo Foot wrote:

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Robert L Cochran
 wrote:
Has the device firmware been pharmed or simply partly flashed and 
then a

power failure struck?

If you would like to donate the unit to me, I'll try to find the 
time to
take a look at it in the next few months. I'm still very much an 
amateur,
and I'd like to try analyzing why the unit is not working and see if 
I can

fix it. This assumes physical damage to the circuit board of some sort.

<...snip>
The only way to be sure it is capacitor plague is to gut the unit 
and look
at the PC board. If you look at the capacitors in it, and one or 
two are

slightly bulged, or have black stuff that looks to be leaking from the
bottoms, the device is dead, and should be replaced, unless you are 
the
hacky type and change out the cap's or harvest the good parts off 
the corpse

of the old switch.


~Seann


The unit has a blown capacitor, bulged and brown matter around it. 
Also there is

a white-ish powder under the PCB. It looks dirty. There is corrosion.
Not sure it's
worth fixing. It went on for well over a year working perfectly in a
well ventilated
room. The unit is for a server at my workplace, so they will replace it.
Many years ago, I used to make and fix network cards and switches at 
some
company, so I'll give it a shot myself at fixing this one just for 
kicks.


I very much appreciate your offer to fix this thing --even though 
there was no

warranty implied. :-)

Now, I've got to get a more reliable unit to last longer.
~af

One of the more common mechanisms for failure of electrolytic 
capacitors is too high an ambient temperature over a period of time.  
Usually the temperature rating is on the cap.  You say the room is 
well-ventilated but that doesn't rule out too high an ambient 
temperature in a room full of equipment, especially if it was sitting 
on top of or in a rack full of other equipment.  It's more likely to 
have open rather than short circuited.  An ESR (effective series 
resistance) meter will tell.


If you're pretty sure the capacitor is what's ailing it and it's 
through-hole rather than surface mounted, I would consider it well 
worth fixing, or even trying if there's greater than a 10% success 
probability.  Many 8-port switches aren't worth fixing below that.


Nuts and Volts did a photo of the workshop of a highly skilled 
electronics hobbyist who gets all his stuff from junk piles, then fixes 
and reuses the items. That is my nature too. It must come from my 
grandfather. When his sawmill needed a replacement engine, he got one 
out of a junkyard, refurbished it, and set it to work. It ran 
beautifully for years to his considerable profit. If you pay little and 
sell dear, you can't help but profit.


Fix it, if possible.

Bob

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Re: MDRaid 1 Recovery

[Robert L Cochran]

http://radu.rendec.ines.ro/howto/raid1.html

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874

Recoveries just never seen simple...

Bob


On 05/02/2009 07:17 PM, Law Barstow wrote:

Hello List,

I'm having some issues with my mdraid.  The system is Fedora 10, x86_64.
I installed the system with two Seagate drives in a RAID 1
configuration.  I let the configuration utility automatically setup the
RAID configuration.  I believe each drive is configured a single
partition with this partition being part of the RAID device.

About a week ago, device 0 reported errors and was dropped from the
array by mdraid.  The RAID continued in a degraded state  with no
problems.  I finally had time to work on it so I shut down the PC and
tried to run some disk drive utilities on it.  The BIOS isn't even
seeing the drive, so I'll RMA it to Seagate.  Drive 0 is unplugged and
not in the system, leaving Drive 1.  When I try to boot, I get just a
message of "GRUB".  I'm assuming that my problem is that GRUB was
installed to drive 0 and drive 0 was set to be my primary.

I've tried booting to the FC10 Install media in recovery mode, but when
it attempts to mount the device, I receive a message that the device
must be initialized, which will cause a loss of all data.

How do I resolve the problem booting to drive 1?  Second, once I install
my replacement device, how do I rebuild the array?  I assume I'll need
to some how get my current Drive 1 set to primary and then install the
second drive, and use mdadm to add it.

Thank you for your help

Law

   
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Re: Off topic - mobo recommendations

[Robert L Cochran]

On 05/02/2009 03:12 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote:


I just priced a very nice Dell Vostro 420 system. The Intel Q6600 quad 
core processor offers 12M of L2 and based on my work with slower 
versions of the Q6600...that is a lot of speed.


I meant the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, 3.0 GHz, with 12M of L2. A slightly 
older Vostro 410 system has a Q6600 with 6M of L2.


Bob


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How To Send Files Securely From Fedora

[Robert L Cochran]

I want to send files securely from my Fedora 11 (Preview) or Fedora 10 
systems to a Microsoft Windows (Home Edition) user who quickly gets lost 
if asked to do anything complex. By "securely" sending files, I mean I 
wish to attach files to an email and then send them over the wire either 
encrypted or password protected such that there is little possibility of 
anyone but the intended recipient being able to see the files in clear.


I would also like the user to be able to send files back to me which are 
similarly secured.


The user likes Windows Live Mail. I do not think the user capable of 
managing public keys or of understanding how to decrypt public-key based 
files unless it can be done with one or two mouse clicks. I could do the 
initial setup and testing myself. Everything has to be geared to 
allowing a quite basic user to view the cleartext quickly and very 
simply, without others on the Internet being able to crack it.


I've thought of sending password-protected zip files using the Fedora 
zip utility. Perhaps these are compatible with the same utility in 
Windows XP?


Any suggestions?

Bob

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Re: Off topic - mobo recommendations

[Robert L Cochran]

In my eyes AMD has fallen way behind the times. The Phenom X4 quad core 
processors don't have much on-die L2 cache and the different package 
profiles are a real pain. I don't know what is selling better for AMD, 
their ATI-branded graphics boards or their processor lines.


http://products.amd.com/en-us/comparison/DesktopCPU.aspx

I just priced a very nice Dell Vostro 420 system. The Intel Q6600 quad 
core processor offers 12M of L2 and based on my work with slower 
versions of the Q6600...that is a lot of speed. It's probably cheaper 
and more gratifying (in terms of real development products you produce) 
to buy one of these rather than going with a self-built AMD system. Most 
of my exposure is to the low end of both Intel and AMD consumer-focused 
processors. I don't think I've worked with either Opteron or Xeon 
processors for example. I wanted to build an Opteron system for myself, 
but then I became really interested in building circuits and physical 
computing.


I don't know if the AMD Opteron processors are any better than the 
Phenom X4. It's hard to get through the hype on AMD's website and look 
at some Opteron comparison charts.


Bob




On 05/02/2009 02:40 PM, Tod Thomas wrote:
I'm shopping for a new developer machine for which I'll be using 
Fedora as the development platform.  Its been about about 7-8 years 
since I built a machine from scratch but since then I've accumulated a 
lot of parts that ultimately could contribute to a nice box if I had 
the right motherboard.


I'm partial to AMD chips.  I'm not a gamer but I do like nice visuals 
and decent sound.  I've got a good video and sound card now but they 
are both 7-8 years old.  I suspect things have changed a lot and 
almost wonder if newer motherboards don't offer better on board now.  
I plan on taking advantage of virtualization so I imagine memory and 
processing speed would be indicated.  Over the long run I always seem 
to run out of PCI slots or USB ports so that would be a premium.  
Economy is also a bonus.  I don't mind paying for performance and 
extensibility but if I could get something pretty decent at a low cost 
maybe I could buy a couple and replace another older board I have 
running.  I also like BIOS's that are tweak friendly.


Right now the fastest machine in my fleet is an Intel Pentium M 1.4 
GHz running on a dell laptop.  My desktop (development) is running an 
old AMD Thunderbird which I don't even think breaks 1GHz and has only 
.5Gb of onboard memory.


Sorry for off topic, just thought this might be the best place to get 
an idea of what everybody else is using since we all share interest in 
the same development platform.  Flame me directly, spare the list :)



Thanks - Tod



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Re: Fedora & XP on same machine, good bad or ugly

[Robert L Cochran]

I too like using virtualization. My current laptop has Intel 
Virtualization Technology and can go up to 8 Gb of memory. I want to 
mainly run Windows XP and Fedora 11 guest systems, share the data 
between them, and do all my serious work in the guests.


I like securing private things too and being able to encrypt the virtual 
file systems is a nice feature.


Bob


On 05/02/2009 09:14 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

On 04/30/2009 08:32 PM, Steven Kemp wrote:

Good Idea? on different hard drives. XP home installed now.
Good, Bad or ugly? Recommendations.
Steve

Context: I run the BLU Linux Installfests that we have in Boston about 
once every quarter. Most of the time we set up dual booting Windows 
and Linux, but more recently I have been advocating using 
virtualization. My preference is to use Linux as the host OS (because 
the Linux file system is better), and Windows as the guest SO. I 
personally have Virtualbox installed on my Ubuntu laptop (XP and F10 
as guests), and KVM/QEMU installed on my desktop system with XP and 
Vista as guests. You will pay a bit of a performance penalty, but 
there are some clear advantages. First, the container file (VMWare or 
Virtualbox) can easily be moved and backed up. You can take snapshots. 
However, it is important to note that you do need sufficient memory so 
virtualization is not recommended for older or low-end systems. 
Additionally, with virtualization you can share data between the 
guests and the host by designating one or more directories as a share. 
The real advantage of virtualization is that you can use both the host 
and guests simultaneously. Let's say I have an app that can only run 
on Windows. I bring up Windows as a VM, run the app. I can leave 
Windows up and running or shut it down when I am done.




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Re: Fedora & XP on same machine, good bad or ugly

[Robert L Cochran]

I, too, am quite happily running Windows XP and Fedora on a laptop on 
the same hard drive. For variety I've also done it with separate 
external hard drives over USB. A modern hardware system ought to be able 
to run multiple modern operating systems harmoniously from one or more 
hard drives. For me, it all works fine. Peter and others have noted the 
hardware clock issue which you have to take care of.


Bob


On 04/30/2009 08:51 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Peter Langfelder wrote:
   

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Steven Kemp  wrote:
 

Good Idea? on different hard drives. XP home installed now.
Good, Bad or ugly? Recommendations.
Steve
   

I have Win XP  and F10 installed on the same HDD on a Lenovo T60
laptop. No problems, but then I don't think I used the XP a single
time since installing Fedora. To my knowledge the only issue is
setting the hardware clock - when you install fedora, you choose a
particular way of setting the clock so it doesn't clash with the one
XP uses.

HTH,

Peter

 

I have much the same setup on my Toshiba A105-S4004, except I
patched the Windows registry for the hardware clock being in UTC. I
don't have the registry patch handy, but I can post it again if you
need it.

Mikkel
   


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Re: "Blinking lights of death" ? Netgear Switch GS108

[Robert L Cochran]

On 04/30/2009 02:47 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Robert L Cochran
  wrote:
   

Has the device firmware been pharmed or simply partly flashed and then a
power failure struck?

If you would like to donate the unit to me, I'll try to find the time to
take a look at it in the next few months. I'm still very much an amateur,
and I'd like to try analyzing why the unit is not working and see if I can
fix it. This assumes physical damage to the circuit board of some sort.
 

<...snip>
   

The only way to be sure it is capacitor plague is to gut the unit and look
at the PC board. If you look at the capacitors in it, and one or two are
slightly bulged, or have black stuff that looks to be leaking from the
bottoms, the device is dead, and should be replaced, unless you are the
hacky type and change out the cap's or harvest the good parts off the corpse
of the old switch.


~Seann
   


The unit has a blown capacitor, bulged and brown matter around it. Also there is
a white-ish powder under the PCB. It looks dirty. There is corrosion.
Not sure it's
worth fixing. It went on for well over a year working perfectly in a
well ventilated
room. The unit is for a server at my workplace, so they will replace it.
Many years ago, I used to make and fix network cards and switches at some
company, so I'll give it a shot myself at fixing this one just for kicks.

I very much appreciate your offer to fix this thing --even though there was no
warranty implied. :-)

Now, I've got to get a more reliable unit to last longer.
~af

   
You probably have Chinese- or Taiwanese-manufactured capacitors in that 
unit, which are not as reliable as Japanese-manufactured capacitors. If 
you search the net you will find lists of known-unreliable capacitor 
manufacturers.


Bob

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Application For Backing Up Blackberry Data To

[Robert L Cochran]

Are there any Fedora-based software applications that will notice my 
Blackberry 8830 when I plug in its USB cable on a Fedora system? Or 
better yet, when I pair its Bluetooth to the laptop? I'd dearly love to 
be able to back it up to my laptop, and I use Fedora just about 100% of 
the time for the computing tasks I do for myself.


Thanks

Bob

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Re: "Blinking lights of death" ? Netgear Switch GS108

[Robert L Cochran]

Has the device firmware been pharmed or simply partly flashed and then a 
power failure struck?


If you would like to donate the unit to me, I'll try to find the time to 
take a look at it in the next few months. I'm still very much an 
amateur, and I'd like to try analyzing why the unit is not working and 
see if I can fix it. This assumes physical damage to the circuit board 
of some sort.


This would be with the understanding that both the unit and the power 
supply brick are a donation to me, and are not items sent to me for 
commercial repair. I'm not that good yet! There should be no expectation 
of getting the unit back. I might brick it. I might make a big smelly 
puddle of molten circuit board. I could easily be its utter ruination!


Also, the amateur examination/amateur diagnosis/amateur repair effort 
would be done on my own time and at a time I choose. Right now, I do 
have some very sick people in my family, and it might be a couple months 
before I can work on the unit.


Now lets suppose that through some miracle, I actually manage to fix the 
device. In that case, I'll ship it back to you at my expense, and at no 
other charge to you. I'll consider myself richer for the fun of trying 
to fix it and succeeding. Again, have no expectation of this happening. 
I can't estimate how sufficient my lowly skills are. Then again, 
Netgear's construction techniques probably need improving!


I'm willing to pay for shipping and handling.

If all the above is acceptable, contact me off list and we can discuss 
it more.


Bob


On 04/29/2009 09:18 PM, Seann Clark wrote:

Aldo Foot wrote:

I have this Netgear Switch GS108 that has apparently failed. Before I
buy a new one I'd
like to know whether this is known issue with this type of unit or
Netgear hardware in
general.  This unit I have is an 8-port switch.
I perused some reading here and there and they point out to faulty
capacitors in the
unit. The fault causes what they call "Blinking lights of death", that
is, all lights blink on
and off repeatedly. Unplugging the unit and plugging it back in unit
does nothing.

Any network hardware experts know about this?

TIA,
~af

The only way to be sure it is capacitor plague is to gut the unit and 
look at the PC board. If you look at the capacitors in it, and one or 
two are slightly bulged, or have black stuff that looks to be leaking 
from the bottoms, the device is dead, and should be replaced, unless 
you are the hacky type and change out the cap's or harvest the good 
parts off the corpse of the old switch.



~Seann


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Re: who can introduce me some good redhat linux book and download links

[Robert L Cochran]

Les in his posting wonders how you can check the versions to which 
online documentation applies and I'm concerned about that too. I think 
the quickest way to learn is to grab a few different distros, figure out 
how to install them, and then do a combination of researching with 
Google and asking questions on various mailing lists. Learning how to 
Google an answer or research some point of interest is really important. 
Asking good questions on mailing lists can result in very interesting 
responses from truly expert people.


In addition to the above, I've subscribed to the same mailing lists for 
years and download all the messages. I try never to miss a message. In 
this way Thunderbird becomes a kind of loosely organized knowledgebase. 
It travels with me everywhere. When I have a question I search my 
messages first. Often someone else asked the same question (pick any 
number and put it in this space) years ago and elicited several 
still-valid responses and I can put the answer to use then and there. 
Sometimes also, reviewing these makes me wonder if there is updated 
information available, and then I may Google more and/or ask a question.


Take Unix classes as well because then you benefit from an experienced 
instructor and students with varying expertise levels.


Dive in with a distro and get your hands very dirty. (Smile.)

Bob



On 04/19/2009 12:57 PM, Nathan Huang wrote:

Hi guys
I am new fan in fedora redhat linux, I am intereted in linux and 
network administration, who can introduce me some execellent ebook, so 
that I can learn linux systematically.

thanks in advance
nathan



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Total Number of Emails Managed By Thunderbird

[Robert L Cochran]

Thunderbird is nice enough to tell you how many unread emails are in a 
folder, and how many emails each folder has in total (between "read" and 
"unread" emails.)


Is there a way to get Thunderbird to present a total count of all emails 
which are in all folders? For example:


Inbox has 1 email read and one unread email for a total of 2 emails
Fedora-list is a folder that has 1 unread email in it
Sent has 1 email in it

This is the total I want to see ---> (Inbox+Fedora-list+Sent) = 4 total 
emails


Thanks

Bob

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