Re: Linux drives,Fedora 10 screen image,DNS server
Gene Heskett wrote: I registered here few days ago. My questions: How can I get the Fedora 10 drive in windows xp?(like windows drives in Fedora 10 after mounting) That will happen about 10 years after Balmer throws his last chair. If M$ lasts that much longer. There's a driver for windows that allows you to mount ext2/ext3 partitions. I think it's called IFS. I've used it and it works. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI driver installation
Kevin Kofler wrote: Oh, and I forgot: The driver you can get from ATI is a completely different driver than the one in Fedora, not an update. It is binary-only and proprietary, whereas the one in Fedora is Free Software / Open Source, i.e. comes with source code and is freely modifiable. And the proprietary driver is reported not to work on Fedora 10. In addition, if you really want to use that driver, you should use the packages from RPM Fusion's nonfree section, never the manufacturer's scripts which always make a mess of your system. GNU/Linux does not work like Window$, you should always get your software, and especially drivers, from a package repository for your distribution where possible (preferably the official one, then well-known addon repositories like RPM Fusion and only as a last resort a repository provided by the developers themselves), avoid manufacturer-provided installers like the plague! The properietary driver can be made to work with Fedora 10 - I did it (though it did STOP working after a while). The open-source drivers don't support all of the cards out there (my 4650HD, for example). ATI released the specs for that chip, though, so hopefully... --Russell Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Advice to an audiophobe -- If others need it.
William Case wrote: Hi; With special thanks to Tim and David, I have read and assembled a list of audio explanation sites. Tim and David gave me enough context so that when I read (or re-read) the information at these sites, things began to make sense. I have copied the list of sites I have used for anyone else who might be as befuddled as I was. I have tried to put them into some logical order. I'm a classical musician who obviously also has an interest in this subject. If there's not a separate list for discussion of it, I'd like to create one (I run a mailing list server). But I'm not going to be the only member. Anyone interested? --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: midi question
Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; What can I do to allow .mid files to be played again? Probably the answer you don't want, but the one I use is - set up timidity as an alsa client. Then you can just play into the alsa ports and out comes music. I've never used sound card midi, never really missed it either. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fglrx
David Hláčik wrote: Hi guys, is this ATI driver working in Fedora 10? Yes, but setup is rather tricky. You have to create the /dev/dri device files manually. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fglrx
Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 07:06 -0800, Russell Miller wrote: David Hláčik wrote: Hi guys, is this ATI driver working in Fedora 10? Yes, but setup is rather tricky. You have to create the /dev/dri device files manually. Is there a how-to or instruction guide somewhere on this we can get to? Cheers, Chris Eh, I'll just tell you what I did. Install fglrx using the one that comes from ATI. cd /dev; MAKEDEV dri (this step is critical) Add the following options to the device section of your Xorg.conf: Option OpenGLOverlay off Option VideoOverlay on Option EnableMonitor lvds (if you have a LCD) Option mtrr on Option UseInternalAGPGART yes Option UseFastTLS 2 And it should work. Worked for me, anyway. I have an HD 4650. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11: Two Suggestions
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Defaults and configuration details *are* part of distribution choices. I've always thought that providing the means to quickly and easily change them is the other half of that equation. Oddly enough, no one ever seems to agree. --Russell Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: some feedback on fedora 10
Timothy Murphy wrote: Antonio Olivares wrote: Most people do not have the need for a new kernel since the official Fedora ones do the job, but there might be special needs that the OP has, so he can go on and build his custom kernel. In my limited experience, it is much easier and just as fruitful to compile the official kernel rather than the Fedora one. (I used to have to do this to get orinoco_usb working.) I never found anything in the Fedora changes to the official kernel that I seemed to require. A well-written tool should work on either. No, I don't *need* another kernel. But I'm not a n00b (hopefully that's not a pejorative, it's not meant as such), and I like to explore the kernel options and see what's out there. I'd like to have a way to just press a button and make it happen, after setting my options - and to know at a glance which options do what, which are dangerous, etc., etc. Just seems like one of the things that is perfectly suited to a nice graphical interface. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Selinux
Wayne Feick wrote: Generally speaking, in the security world you default to the most restrictive behavior and administrators loosen up the restrictions as needed. This, of course, tends to annoy everyday users who don't realize all the insecurities of what they want to do, and just want it to work. I mean, all those flashing red lights and sirens can be annoying when all I want to do is start a little campfire over there next to the gas cans. Make sense? Well, yes. But we're not talking about setting a campfire next to gas cans. I think we're overdoing the analogies. I understand your rationale, but at some point, a security tool that gets in the way will cease being a security tool - and generally in a very dangerous way. If we want to extend your already tortured analogy a little, it's kind of like having a wall between the gas can and the campfire, but the only way to get to the wood to start the fire is to enter a code into a little door in the wall. And you can only take out one at a time. Eventually you'll just chop down the wall, and to hell with the consequences. And possibly use it for wood, but that's a different analogy that doesn't yet have a real world case. I'm sure we'll find one. :-) It would be at least a nice thing to have a tool that asks you if you're doing some common things that selinux doesn't by default allow, make sure that's what you want to do, and set up selinux to allow them. At least then most people won't need to worry about it, but it might make common tasks easier for someone who really doesn't know what they're doing. But I still maintain that things like firefox, which is a default install with no real changes to it, should never trigger an AVC alarm. A default Fedora install, with no local modifications to it, should never trigger AVC denials. But it happens frequently. --Russell Wayne. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fglrx and network
Anyone ever seen the fglrx driver cause the network drivers to just stop working on F10? Everything appears to be up, but the packets just stop arriving. I suspect interrupt issues. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
some feedback on fedora 10
OK, I just upgrated to fedora 10. I've already filed some bug reports, but here's some feedback. 1) FC9 preupgrade didn't work. It left the /var off of the cache location. I had to fix it manually and reboot. 2) nv driver is broken with my card. Bug filed on that, so I won't go into too much further detail, except to say it doesn't detect ANY video ram. 3) One thing I would really, really like - and I'm half tempted to just write it myself - is a tool to take the stock fedora kernel and build a new one - with the options that *I* want. Building a new kernel is a pain in the kiester, and the lack of a good tool to do so (I'm not aware of one and a quick search on freshmeat doesn't turn one up) is kind of... surprising, considering that the kernel has been around for so many years. Is it that much of a black art? 4) KMS seems cool, but it doesn't work on my card, so it falls back to a lame progress bar on the bottom of the screen. Can we be a little more informative than that? It didn't even tell me I could press escape, I had to figure that out on my own. Other than that fact that I can't get X to working properly either with the proprietary or free drivers, seems pretty cool. However, *that* is a showstopper. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Selinux
Tom Horsley wrote: So why isn't it much simpler and less trouble to just turn off selinux in the first place? I get the same level of security in the end, and much less hassle in the meantime :-). (Some days I feel like I should start the Linux Curmudgeon blog, but there is probably one out there already - I haven't looked). I think that there's little doubt that selinux is a good idea. But it's only been recently that it worked well enough for me to actually leave it on, and even now I get AVC denial messages for stuff Fedora itself installs (got a few the other day when starting firefox on a *freshly upgraded* FC10 system. This does strike me as a little sloppy. If Fedora installs it, shouldn't Fedora set selinux to allow it? Maybe I'm missing something... I dunno. Selinux has always struck me like a car alarm that gives you thirty seconds to enter in a 100 digit code. Faced with that, it's no wonder people shut it down. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: some feedback on fedora 10
Lonni J Friedman wrote: Other than that fact that I can't get X to working properly either with the proprietary or free drivers, seems pretty cool. However, *that* is a showstopper. Which card do you have, and how exactly is the nvidia driver not working? geforce 6200. The proprietary driver doesn't seem to interact well with the radeon driver (I have two cards, one ATI and one nvidia) and randomly freezes. I can move the mouse around and use the keyboard, but windows get corrupted and mouseclicks stop working. Truthfully, while I can't seem to get it working as it is, the radeon driver is probably to blame for this one. The opensource driver won't even start, it doesn't detect the video ram. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: some feedback on fedora 10
Lonni J Friedman wrote: I've got a system here with a GeForce 6200 that is working perfectly with both the nv driver the 177.82 nvidia driver in F10. Are you using 177.82 or something else? Yes, I'm running 177.82. My suspicions are that the proprietary driver is fine, but the radeon driver is screwing with things (because once when it froze, I suddenly couldn't even mouse over to the nvidia monitor). Unfortunately, I can't use fglrx at the same time as nvidia... DRI gets screwed up. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Craig White wrote: You don't seem to care that things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are trying to solve userland device control over things that have on Linux been traditionally root controlled devices/daemons. Both NetworkManager and PulseAudio are not perfect - in fact, far from perfect but the need to deliver a user featured desktop system requires separation of super user and regular user and you can opt out of those efforts and in fact encourage others to do so but those efforts are counter productive to the overall goals. I would be much more open-minded if there was more support, as it were, when the new technologies don't work. So far I've been told it's my fault, that it works for everyone else, that the bug was opened to the wrong package, I didn't provide enough information... basically discouraged at every turn from reporting and trying to fix my issue with PulseAudio upstream. If I'd been a new user, I'd be screwed. As it is, I'm just annoyed, and damn certain not to take it any further - I fixed the problem, I reported the problem here, I reported the problem on bugzilla... I'm not going to bust my rear any further. I will admit that I'm an old fart when it comes to system administration, and I believe that Fedora is trying a bit too hard to be friendly to new users to the point where the veterans are being left with a whole bunch of software layers that they neither need nor want, with no way to turn them off on install if they so choose. I would be content if an expert mode was offered (one is) that allowed one to turn off most of the desktop optimizations like NetworkManager and PulseAudio and left you with a fairly barebones system that you could configure how you wanted without having to fight with things telling you how to do things. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Gene Heskett wrote: That isn't always true Craig, I have been denied permissions on several occasions. It always surprised me at the time I don't now recall a specific instance I can quote, but it has happened in the past and will no doubt occur at some point in the future. ATM, not thinking at my best, too tired, so there isn't a lot of use trying to stir my ancient memory into action today. Needs another 3 or 4 hours of zz's. You might be running up against SELinux, another improvement that was probably for the best but introduced in such a way that most people just turned it off. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Craig White wrote: I think you have personalized these things as if they were intended to make your attempts to use Fedora more difficult. No. Not personalized. I know they're not intended to make my attempts to use Fedora more difficult. If anything, I'd say they were intended to make my attempts to use Fedora easier, and failed. Perhaps you need to read Eric Raymond's 'The Cathedral and the Bazaar' [0] to get a better feel for the aspirations of Fedora because there is a release early and often philosophy that is easier to cope with when its understood. I understand. Like I said, I've been doing this for years, I've been a contributor to the KDE project and have a couple of open source projects of my own. I understand how it works. But I guess in the same vein I tend to expect a certain willingness to cooperate out of the community. The people on this list have generally been open to discussion, while they still tend to insist that there isn't really a problem. The few interactions with bugzilla I've had, however, leave a bad taste. Perhaps I should just shut up and start raising a ruckus and submitting patches. Considering how things have been going, however, I wonder if there's any chance at all of them being accepted. --Russell Craig [0] Eric Raymond - The Cathedral and the Bazaar http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Les Mikesell wrote: You must have missed a lot - this was discussed to death when people first had problems with pulseaudio. Consolekit assumes that the speakers are owned exclusively by whoever happens to be logged into the console at the moment. Personally I think this is as bad as if the tape device were handled that way and your system backups would crash if the wrong user happens to log in at the wrong time. I almost never log in directly at the console and what my speakers are playing shouldn't depend on that. I believe pulseaudio has a framework that can act as a suitable sound server for a multiuser system or even network-stream access across multiple systems, but the fedora configuration emulates a toy single-user box instead. The bug isn't so much with either pulseaudio or consolekit specifically but with the choice to run pulseaudio in a session rather than as a service. It just doesn't work for scenarios where you don't dedicate the whole box to being someone's personal device. I think it's a very cogent point. At the same time, the usual use case for someone who would actually *use* audio is that they would be logged into the console and would be doing stuff that requires sound, and no one else would. It's actually a false assumption - a very false assumption, and one that actually gets in the way more than not. And I can actually give you one use case from personal experience. I had a girlfriend, say, 7 or 8 years ago (maybe earlier) who had a Linux system (yeah, yeah, why'd I let her get away and all that, save it for another time), along with a collection of mp3 files. She gave me the IP address, and sometimes I would log in to her machine and play a random mp3 file, which she liked. The way pulseaudio is set up now, that would not be possible without manually messing with the configuration. Perhaps this is another case of making things easier for the vast majority of users while making things phenomenally more difficult for the edge cases. Shrug. Guess it's a design philosophy. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: H.D. install problem -
Bob Goodwin wrote: I removed the 80gB WindowsXP hard drive [/dev/sda] and replaced it with a larger drive on which I installed F9 from a Live CD. The second drive [dev/sdb] has F8 on it, my primary Linux until this morning. I would like to extract some configuration date from the F8 drive but have been unable to access it no matter what I've tried. The problem is that it uses the LVM designations which I can't seem to deal with instead of the old /dev/sda etc. I am lost! Fortunately I have another F8 computer with most of the config data duplicated on it but I still want to be able to use the secocnd drive in this box. I'm not sure what data to provide or even what question to ask other than how do I go about getting access to the old F8 system. Grub only offers the the new F9 install. Fdisk shows the following: # fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000a7927 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 25 200781 83 Linux /dev/sda2 26 30401 243995220 8e Linux LVM # fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x0005c4cc Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/sdb2 14972978043770 8e Linux LVM Any suggestions appreciated. Bob The utilities vgscan, pvscan and lvscan will assist you in your goal. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: H.D. install problem -
Bob Goodwin wrote: Ok, thanks, more information to ponder, not sure what to do with it yet ... # pvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/sda2 VolGroup01 lvm2 a- 232.69G 32.00M /dev/sdb2 VolGroup00 lvm2 a-74.41G 32.00M # vgs VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree VolGroup00 1 2 0 wz--n- 74.41G 32.00M VolGroup01 1 2 0 wz--n- 232.69G 32.00M # lvs LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert LogVol00 VolGroup00 -wi-ao 73.38G LogVol01 VolGroup00 -wi-ao 1.00G LogVol00 VolGroup01 -wi-ao 231.66G LogVol01 VolGroup01 -wi-ao 1.00G Bob You now have your partition list, which you can mount. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?
Bruce Byfield wrote: As for a public ass-kicking, if you really want to do something effective (as opposed to indulging in self-righteousness), I suggest you contact Red Hat and Fedora officials directly, not merely vent in forums. Actually, that's not a bad idea. The company I work for has paid subscriptions with RedHat, and we're considering buying a few more for another product that could be lucrative for them. I don't think an inquiry about their security practices are out of line. I'll ping our account rep. tomorrow. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?
Frank Cox wrote: I sincerely hope that I can, Ed. Starry-eyed as it may sound, I always try to think the best of people. Really. Which is a really poor trait for a security analyst, and perhaps one reason why you are not understanding where they are coming from. Food for thought. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: time stupidity
Craig White wrote: crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my offset from GMT I need someone to toss me a bone here... Craig Have you checked /etc/sysconfig/clock? How about /etc/adjtime? --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: time stupidity
Craig White wrote: crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my offset from GMT I need someone to toss me a bone here... Craig Another stupid question: Is your TZ variable being set somewhere? --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Craig White wrote: I do detect a pattern though...it's the same one that had you giving up on NFS and using samba for filesharing because you couldn't make NFS work. I would like to state for the record that like Rex, I have many, many systems running with pulseaudio and no problems. I respectfully do not like this attitude. I have been a systems administrator for 12 years, and I have used Fedora and RedHat through a large fraction of them (I remember RedHat 4 - not EL 4, just 4). In fact, I remember kernel 0.99. And PulseAudio didn't work for me. I dove in and fixed it, submitting a bug to the Fedora gods about what didn't work for me. It was closed as NOTABUG. Something I find inscrutable as, it was, indeed a bug. It was a bug because I installed Fedora and something didn't work on first install. Not good enough for these guys, though, apparently it must be something I did wrong. Perhaps that was installing Fedora. Perhaps not. I haven't yet decided. Now that I have a better idea of what Fedora is about, Centos is looking much more appealing to me. Perhaps it was something Mr. Heskett could have easily figured out if he'd been more knowledgeable about it or spent more time on it. That point is well taken. However, having people such as you insisting that there is no problem with PulseAudio because you've had no problems with it rubs me the wrong way. Perhaps Mr. Heskett's system is too heavily customized. Mine was not. Yet I got the exact same response, Oh, it's your problem, you must have screwed up somewhere. If no one's going to take people seriously when they say they are having problems with PulseAudio, and people are just going to force PulseAudio down peoples' throats when it's not working while insisting the problems are all in the head of the user, well, there's really nothing more to be said. Thanks. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Craig White wrote: - bugzilla # ? I just searched bugzilla for all reports for your e-mail address and couldn't find any. Craig Different email address. #458611 --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Craig White wrote: I think he gave you a really good answer too... pulseaudio doesn't set the user permissions on devices but is handled by ConsoleKit / HAL If you give a report on your audio hardware submitted to ConsoleKit package, they could fix the problem (assuming that someone else hasn't already reported it). Craig OK, fair enough. But let me push back - why should I have to open another report? Shouldn't it be transferrable? Shouldn't either he or I be able to just change it to the consolekit queue? As an end user (and yes I'be been on both sides of this), I filed a report. I reported something doesn't work and how I fixed it. At that point, I really should not have to do anything more than provide more information as required. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Cancel mv after execution
Adil Drissi wrote: Hi, Is it possible to cancel one command after execution? my command was : mv includes ../includes i was in /var/www so if a directory includes already existed in /var it was replaced. Thank you It wasn't replaced, it was put inside of it. You now have a ../includes/includes directory. Also, to cancel it, you press control and C - however, in the case of commands such as mv and cp, you'll find the operation half done and will usually have to clean up after it. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
Craig White wrote: that was the first thing that occurred to me too and then I realized that you didn't have any details of the hardware that would have made a report to ConsoleKit worthwhile. Obviously his issue was to respond to the report against pulseaudio and that he did. OK. But I could have been asked for this information. This is the first time I knew that it would even be requested. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Cancel mv after execution
Adil Drissi wrote: no i have just n empty includes (my includes was empty). ctrl+c interrupts a process but in this case it is already complete. Then you did something different, as mv does not replace a directory by default. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pulseaudio, howto make it work?
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: just a thought, if padmin is seeing ac97 and not sbo-400, could you possibly be having address conflict. Never had one before pulseaudio. No legitimate reason I should have one now. Have you tried checking to see if your user has permission to write to the audio device? If it doesn't, pulseaudio will pretend it's not even there. The fedora gods insist this isn't a bug (someone resolved it with NOTABUG, yippee), so you're not going to see a fix. But if that truly is the problem, just adjust your udev rules to create it with the correct permissions and add yourself to rt-pulse. Fixed it for me. Hooray for moving forward. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: ATI drivers - when?
2008/8/18 Steve Repo [EMAIL PROTECTED] What graphics card do you have? If you have R300/R500 graphics card, compiz runs very well. If you have an R600 graphics card you may need a newer RadeonHD driver than what is distributed by fedora. I have an R600, and the latest versions from the ATI website don't work. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [F9] radeon dual-head display w/Xinerama
Sean Bruno wrote: o, Xinerama just doesn't work with the radeon driver any more? Or was it just pure luck that it worked at all before? Just for reference, I have a dual head setup with one Radeon and one Nvidia card under FC9. Acceleration is hosed but everything else works just fine using Xinerama. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: spooky coincidence or disk killer virus?
Tom Horsley wrote: Is this just a sign of superb quality control in the samsung disk factories turning out identical disks that last almost the exact same amount of time in the same CPU case with the same number of power cycles? I'd bet on a power spike. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: spooky coincidence or disk killer virus?
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the others, most likey power or impulse related. Yea, power could be it. I unplugged everything earlier in the day the first one died because one of those Wrath of God style thunder boomers was heading my way. Maybe I didn't turn it off soon enough. If lightning strikes close enough it doesn't matter if it's unplugged, lightning causes an EMP which could fry stuff. Has to be really close though,. and you'd know it. Look for videos of close strikes on youtube, you can see the EMP hit the electronics of the camera, manifests as a distortion in the video. I'm a bit of a weather geek. :-) --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: spooky coincidence or disk killer virus?
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a little while, this was one of those flash-boom varieties with no time delay between flash and boom, so some of them were indeed pretty close. No time delay? Yeah, I think you found the source of your problem. Since there was no delay, that means they had to be at 1/5th of a mile or closer (for about 200ms delay, which is not really all that perceptible). That's a thousand feet. Much closer than that and you're going to see effects. So, yeah. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Invalid ELF header
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:24 PM, James McManus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made the mistake of linking ln -s /usr/lib64/libc.so /usr/lib64/libc.so.6 How can I unlink this? If I try unlink /usr/lib64/libc.so.6 I get the following error message: unlink: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib64/libc.so.6: invalid ELF header I also get the same message for most other linux commands. You'll probably have to boot from a rescue disk and resinstall the appropriate package. There are a few things in linux system that you will have to be very, very careful when you touch, because almost everything is linked against them. You found one. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I create a link to an inode?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Doug Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the situation - I have video file, currently open in Mplayer, which I accidentally deleted from its directory. So, the storage and inode still exist as long as I don't close the Mplayer. Does anyone know of a way, using available commands or via system calls in a program, to reestablish a link from a directory to the inode? You might try going into debugfs, finding the inode, and seeing if you can tell it it's not deleted anymore. It's not actually deleted until all the references are closed, so I think it might be possible (I don't know the internal details of what happens when a file is deleted but not closed so I may be wrong). It's very, very risky, and you risk corrupting your entire filesystem doing that. I wouldn't do it personally unless I had good backups. Let me know if you try it and it works - that would make a good howto somewhere. --Russell Thanks in advance, Doug -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can I create a link to an inode?
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Doug Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the situation - I have video file, currently open in Mplayer, which I accidentally deleted from its directory. So, the storage and inode still exist as long as I don't close the Mplayer. Does anyone know of a way, using available commands or via system calls in a program, to reestablish a link from a directory to the inode? You might try going into debugfs, finding the inode, and seeing if you can tell it it's not deleted anymore. It's not actually deleted until all the references are closed, so I think it might be possible (I don't know the internal details of what happens when a file is deleted but not closed so I may be wrong). Oh hey. Look what I found. http://dag.wieers.com/blog/undeleting-an-open-file-by-inode Still risky but at least you won't be flying blind. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? Thanks, Mike. You know, those on this list may beat me up for this, but if you're looking for stability and least fuss, I'd suggest CentOS instead. As someone else pointed out, Fedora is for people who want to get their hands dirty and try out the bleeding edge - and it doesn't sound like that's what you're after. Guys, I'm not dissing you, just suggesting what I think is the right tool for the job. Not everything is a nail. :-) --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Christopher Mocock [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: since the release. My main blocker with F9 now is that I haven't yet figured out how to rip pulseaudio out and get alsa functioning again. I've never managed to get pulse-audio working (although TBH I haven't tried very hard), so I just do a yum remove pulse* and that's always fixed the problem for me, alsa just seems to work after that - on F8 and F9. It might bea permissions problem... I found that by changing the ownership on the alsa device files to root:pulse-rt and adding your local user to pulse-rt, it started working. Someone is insisting that's not a bug, which does not make me happy. --Russell -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 18:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: What gets me is that it's an integrated soundchip. Usually those are pretty well supported, at least in basics. Out of curiousity, what soundchip is it? What does lspci say it is? What kind of motherboard is it on? It's an Azalia on a AMD K9A Platinum. 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (and guess what, copy and paste doesn't work into firefox, I had to do this manually... I'm getting frustrated...) But, the plot thickens... or something thickens... I just bought a USB sound adapter. It also doesn't work. And this time pulseaudio is giving me errors. ALSA sees it, alsa tries to load it, pulseaudio does something with it and it doesn't work. And I would love to paste in the log output... but GUESS WHAT. And if I right click on a blank section, it selects everything. Let me type it in here... by hand... MANUALLY. Aug 9 22:57:16 mochrie pulseaudio[5285]: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: No such file or directory module.c: Failed to load module module-alsa-source (argument: device_id=0 source_name=alsa_input.usb_device___noserial_sound_card_0_alsa_capture_0): initialization failed (same with playback) You know, I have to second the OP. In previous versions of Fedora, things worked. NetworkManager didn't exist so I didn't have to turn it off (several times as it kept TURNING ITSELF BACK ON) (I turned it off because it kept insisting on grabbing a dhcp lease even though I specifically told it that I wanted it to have a static IP... it absolutely REFUSED to listen to me and then I said OK, Ignore the interface... it just kept going back and grabbing it... and then it turned itself back on when I disabled it entirely...) ALSA and OSS were ALSA and OSS and while sometimes they didn't work out of the box they were easy enough to figure out... KDE 3 worked and was full featured... Now Fedora is just getting in the way. I also have to second the other poster who said that this seems to be turning into Vista. I've been a system admin for 12 years. I remember LInux 0.99, I remember setting up a 9600 modem, I remember Redhat 5. I know how these things have worked and are supposed to work, and this is just turning into crap. Sorry, I know you guys are working hard on it, but my frustration is boiling over. I want things to *just work*, and almost all of the changes I see in Fedora are about three steps backwards with regard to that goal. Honestly, I liked Fedora 5 better than Fedora 9 and I'm seriously considering just scrapping the whole thing until things actually start working right again. I'm not singling you guys out, though. I got on the RedHat guys on a conference call a while ago about Redhat-DS (I run a moderate sized install of that as well and it's another major cause of frustration), and you should have seen what I did to the splunk sales guys, so I'm not intentionally trying to be mean. I just have a really short patience for things that don't have even the bare minimum of usability. Say what you want about windows XP, I haven't had near the problems with it that I have had with Fedora 9. It *just works*. Look, I really like Fedora. I always have. And if I didn't have some kind of attachment to it I'd just go back and reinstall Gentoo or something. I really want it to work out, but seriously guys, what *is* this? And one final thought: Change for the sake of change is really not a good idea. Thanks, --Russell ~spot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 18:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: What gets me is that it's an integrated soundchip. Usually those are pretty well supported, at least in basics. Out of curiousity, what soundchip is it? What does lspci say it is? What kind of motherboard is it on? It's an Azalia on a AMD K9A Platinum. OK, sorry guys, but I'm going to reply to my own post, because I just found a perfect example of why I feel like the whole thing is going down the tubes. I ran alsa-info. First it tells me that it's going to automatically upload the results to a pastebin site, then it asks me if I want to continue to run the script. Strike 1. It should have defaulted to no, and just ran. It's just outputting info, there's no need to protect me from myself. Next, I run with the --no-upload option, cursing the damn thing out while I do, and then it asks me again, do I want to run the script? Yeah I want to run the script, I *typed the command*. What is it protecting me from??? So then, it runs, and outputs the data into a file. Into a *file*? WTF happened to the unix idiom of sending things to stdout unless you specifically give it a -f option? I know you guys don't write alsa. I'm not saying you're responsible for this. What I am saying is that for a long time sysadmin like me, this is really a step backwards. I just want to debug a fricking pulseaudio/alsa problem. Don't protect me from myself when the worst that's going to happen is that I get stuff printed to the screen that I don't care about. I haven't done a whole lot of exploration of Fedora 9 lately, I've been busy at work with Centos. It is ALL like this??? --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems like very poor behavior, I hope you report it. Oh, you want bugzilla entries? I can do bugzilla entries. BTW, the problem *is* with pulseaudio. Alsa is working just fine underneath, but guess what? Because alsacard, etc., relies on pulseaudio... I want to just turn it off, but again, *guess what*. I don't *want this*. GRRR. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
This seems like very poor behavior, I hope you report it. Bug 458574 submitted. Let's see what happens. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 18:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: What gets me is that it's an integrated soundchip. Usually those are pretty well supported, at least in basics. Out of curiousity, what soundchip is it? What does lspci say it is? What kind of motherboard is it on? It's an Azalia on a AMD K9A Platinum. 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (and guess what, copy and paste doesn't work into firefox, I had to do this manually... I'm getting frustrated...) But, the plot thickens... or something thickens... I just bought a USB sound adapter. It also doesn't work. And this time pulseaudio is giving me errors. ALSA sees it, alsa tries to load it, pulseaudio does something with it and it doesn't work. And I would love to paste in the log output... but GUESS WHAT. And if I right click on a blank section, it selects everything. Let me type it in here... by hand... MANUALLY. I figured it out. It's a permissions issue. New users are not added to pulse-rt, and the sound devices under alsa are not created with the pulse-rt group permissions. So it can't write to anything. Adding a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/00-permissions.rules that contains... oops, forgot, can't paste. Basically copy 40-alsa.rules, and change all instances of NAME=.. to GROUP=pulse-rt. Restart your window manager, and everything should start showing up. Now. Do I like pulseaudio? NO. This is a huge, immense, pain in the patootie that strikes me as unnecessary and annoying and frankly I hate that I had to go through all this work just to get sound to working. But it's working. So there's that. Thanks for giving me a place to vent. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell, I've got a K9A Platinum. I've had sound working from day one, with a better set of drivers and a better mixer. The difference is that I went to After I fixed that wonderful permissions problem it almost all started working. I can't get youtube videos to work for some reason, and the USB audio adapter I just bought refuses to output stuff, but the azalia is working. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
After I fixed that wonderful permissions problem it almost all started working. I can't get youtube videos to work for some reason, and the USB audio adapter I just bought refuses to output stuff, but the azalia is working. But then I tried to install the proprietary ATI driver (because the open-souirce one doesn't support full acceleration) and... wouldn't you know it, someone changed the X ABI and it won't run until ATI fixes their driver. I really shudder to think of how a newbie would have tried to handle this whole thing. It ain't pretty. Linux is *not* ready for the desktop, and Im starting to wonder if it ever will be. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
In all fairness Russel, unless you specifically want to mess with this problem, the common way is to use Livna/Atrpms.. Livna even has a kernel independent package whose name i can't remember which will/should work with any kernel. So really, you chose the toughest way if you ran into that problem. How so? Livna repo isn't installed by default from what I can see - maybe you know to do that and maybe I could have looked it up if it had occurred to me - but how would a newbie know to do that? Also, how is hardware support Linux (the kernel) fault and not the people from whom you purchased, with money, your hardware? I'm not saying it is. I already specifically said that I know the kernel guys aren't at fault for most of this. I really don't *care* who's at fault. It's just not working, and that's my point. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
yum install libflashsupport from the Adobe repo That did the trick, thanks. But I had to yum install libflashsupport.i386. --Russell -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got the advice via irc://freenode/fedora myself, didn't need the i386 suffix however. You'll only need it on a 64 bit system. I also needed to install the 386 version of nspluginwrapper and a whole bunch of other 386 packages. I'm surprised it worked at all, but it's cool. --Russell -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A newbie would likely either stick with the OSS drivers, (assuming they get at least 1024x768) or they would Google it, or they would give up. That last option is to me what's inexcusable. We (and by we I mean the community) shouldn't be marketing things to newbies so that they attempt to install it, spend a week trying to get something working, then give up and install windows again, with a permanent bad taste in their mouth regarding linux. Say what you want about Gentoo - at least it makes no pretenses. Also, I personally think that Fedora should have an explicit warning against use by computer newbies (ie. people not interested in fiddling with their install at all) -- this is a separate topic, but I fee that Fedora's FOSS idealism (which I like) currently stands in the way of ease of use due to he behavior of most hardware manufactures. But then we have stuff like NetworkManager, which seems to be in place solely to make Fedora easier to use by newbies - and in the process screwing people who actually *do* know what they're doing and just having stuff like that get in the way. Why is it so difficult to turn pulseaudio off? Why did NetworkManager keep restarting itself after I shut it down - even to the point of *shutting off the services*? Why was SElinux introduced in such a halfassed way that my default behavior on any new fedora install was to shut it off? Why was KDE 4 introduced when it was not ready for primetime? (I really dislike it, I would have rather stuck with 3.5 and had 4.0 as an option - it wouldn't have been all that much more difficult to do a side by side and a way to select between them. And I was a KDE developer!) It seems like I'm being hard on you guys. OK, I am. But it's just because I see what Fedora was and could still be, and instead I'm sitting here fighting with it because it's done in such an unpolished and schizophrenic manner. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora is for a user who is interested in rapid progress or free software. It is always in a state of change, even between the stable versions. If you explicitly want a system that rarely changes, some other distribution might suit you a lot better than Fedora. I think Fedora's current role in the free software community is a very important one. It may not always be the easiest to use and keep using due to the continuous change and the desire to strongly focus on free software, but it is constantly exploring the limits of what can be achieved with free software. Sometimes a new design may require further use to get polished better, but for some users this is exactly why they choose Fedora. So basically Fedora is for people who *want* this kind of behavior, and not necessarily newbies. OK. Fair enough. May be time to change my choice of OS, or just to keep using it and start bitching, because that seems to be what you guys are looking for. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Write bug reports, look for solutions, share them with your fellow Fedorians. It is an adventure. Many things are improving and changing with new releases, but that is how software works here. It is constantly evolving and moving forward. At least here you have a voice and also choices to follow. In many other OS, you have no choices. If a program does not work it is too bad you have to pay for it and if it does not work, it is your fault or your computer. Here at least everyone has a fair share of something biting back. For some might not have many problems at all and are very happy Fedora users. I did write a bug report a couple of months back that hasn't even been looked at yet - and I handed them a new specfile on a silver platter. Oh well. Maybe it'll get better the more reports I submit. I need that modified version, so I'm about to start my own yum repository just so users of my software can have it available. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Russell Miller wrote: I did write a bug report a couple of months back that hasn't even been looked at yet - and I handed them a new specfile on a silver platter. Oh well. Maybe it'll get better the more reports I submit. What was the bz number? 454127 And it was closer to a month ago than two months. My bad. Still a long time though. --Russell Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Russell Miller wrote: 454127 And it was closer to a month ago than two months. My bad. Still a long time though. It would be useful to product a diff instead of a new spec and attach that instead. We have a quite large number of bugs opened so additional help is welcome. If you are interested, you could sign-up to be a co-maintainer even. I'm probably one of the few people who use that library, so I could co-maintain it if there aren't any objections. How do I go about signing up? --Russell Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:35 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: May be time to change my choice of OS, or just to keep using it and start bitching, because that seems to be what you guys are looking for. Well, take a tone of constructive criticism, posing problems and seeking solutions (and posting solutions when you find them), rather than just bellyaching. And file bugs, file bugs, file bugs! Dude, I do, I just get really frustrated sometimes when I want something to work and I have to spend hours trying to find the problem. I'm a professional systems administrator and I get enough of that at work. :-) You'll note that I did find the problem and shared the solution. I may be a little bitchy at times but I always figure it out in the end. --Russell -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs http://www.math.clemson.edu/%7Emjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: fc9 install
2008/8/10 Fennix [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that Ken Murray has the right idea. My experience with the installation of F9 is the same. When I do the media check it reports a good disk and then cannot continue the installation. Reboot and skip the media check and the installation proceeds normally. On my system this has always been the case for the numerous F9 install/re-installs that I have needed to do. This has been the case ever since RedHat 9 or earlier, I'm surprised it's never been fixed, and it seems a little braindead to me. A media check is a *good* thing, right? So why doesn't it say yay, your media passed, now let's go on with the install!? Is there a reason behind this that I'm not getting? --Russell Fennix -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
Arthur Pemberton wrote: Seems like PulseAudio is the way forward towards reducing the myriad of other ways. What problem do you have with it besides that it is new? If PulseAudio is what comes standard with FC9... guess what. It doesn't work. The drivers don't recognize my sound card. I haven't yet been able to *get* it to work either. If it weren't for my windows laptop I'd probably just go back to Gentoo. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
Arthur Pemberton wrote: I'm sorry to hear that... but I don't think PulseAudio has anything to do with drivers. As I understand it, it's more of an abstraction system so applications need not support, ALSA, OSS, etc.. just PulseAudio. But of course, if your hardware isn't being recognized by the kernel, PulseAudio is useless to you. What gets me is that it's an integrated soundchip. Usually those are pretty well supported, at least in basics. Instead... I just get nothing. That reminds me, I need to go to Fry's and see if I can go get one that actually works. Really sucks that the one that comes with it doesn't. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora core 9 frezzes up after 2 or 3 hours
dump wrote: Hello guys, I’m new to this list, and I hope this is the right list to post this issue. My guess is a video driver crash. Try seeing if it freezes without X running. Even if it does, there's a chance you might get some useful diagnostics out of it. Also, try making sure /proc/sys/kernel/panic_on_oops (or its equivalent, it seems to have been changed in recent kernels) is set, and kernel crash dumping is on. If the kernel actually crashes, then a dump will be saved in swap and you might actually be able to figure out what's going on. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Disk error
g wrote: in trying to follow along with what poc has gone thru with you and getting back to check sums, i am a little lost. i think. not sure. so excuse me if i repeat something. in reading check sums and having 2 dvd drives: on which drive did you run sha1sum? running 'sha1sum /dev/sr0' on both drives and both giving same results as when you checked iso file, will verify both drives, if they match value from sha1sum file. have you tried this? also, sha1sum will give you indication of drive ability to read entire dvd. Don't forget that some DVDs (particularly ones made by Sony) have some deliberately corrupted sectors in them that will cause IO errors on anything but an approved DVD player (they know to skip past them). --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: ssh / bind help?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Adding the trailing dot, for names, prevents the value of the 'search' field in /etc/resolve.com from being used. So host fubar.bazfaz.net could resolve to fubar.bazfaz.net.your.domain, if your DNS has a wildcard MX record (like *.your.domain) would return a pointer to the mail server for any address in your domain. If you add a trailing dot that doesn't happen. The value on an IP reverse lookup is unknown to me, there may be none. I'm not entirely sure, but I think that trailing dot will cause it to treat it as a forward and not a reverse lookup. Remember reverse lookups get translated to 4oc.3oc.2oc.1oc.in-addr.arpa. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to recover root password
Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 19:34 -0400, Ricky wrote: Hi, I had a root passwd which was so secure that even i cannot remember it now, lol! Can Someone help as to how i can recover it??? Any suggestions??? The suggestions so far have assumed you won't get asked for a root password to go to single user. There's a way around that too. Append init=/bin/sh to the end of the kernel line and boot. mount -o ro,remount / mount -a passwd root new passwd sync wait a few seconds reboot --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to recover root password
ons so far have assumed you won't get asked for a root password to go to single user. There's a way around that too. Append init=/bin/sh to the end of the kernel line and boot. mount -o ro,remount / That should be mount -r rw,remount Sorry. Typing too fast. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to recover root password
Russell Miller wrote: ons so far have assumed you won't get asked for a root password to go to single user. There's a way around that too. Append init=/bin/sh to the end of the kernel line and boot. mount -o ro,remount / That should be mount -r rw,remount And THAT should be mount -o rw,remount / It's Saturday, and I can feel it. Back into my hole... Sorry. Typing too fast. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Pidgin/Kopete problems with ICQ
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ICQ servers seem to be blocking ICQ accounts using Pidgin or Kopete, claiming that their protocol is too old. I've not yet squawked this to the Pidgin or Kopete people. It surely is annoying. It is indeed annoying, and don't call me Shirley. If you're not afraid to build from source, there are some instructions on the net about how to fix this. Though I think there should probably be an option to enter an arbitrary version number, kind of like user-agent spoofing. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: nvidiafb problems
My code did not segfault on the previous GPU, and the segfaults appear to be occurring in the directfb libraries themselves, not in the code. It seems as if the compiler might be optimizing out things that should not be optimized out, but I'm not entirely sure how to read that. They also seem to be occuring randomly. I can run it four times, and three of the times it'll segfault, the fourth it'll work fine. I did a little reasearch last night... I'm wondering if directfb doesn't support my GPU. It appears to only do NV_ARCH_30 and lower. --Russell On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Les [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Russel, Segfaults are probably your best indication of the problem. Generically a segmentation fault occurs when you access memory allocated to another process. You can tramp all over your own processes memory and not necessarily generate a segfault. Since you are seeing the problem when the size of the field changes, probably there is a fixed array somewhere in your code that is inappropriately sized for the larger screen sizes. Also, if the Video processor is only sensing 64M, it may be doing something weird as well. To trouble shoot this problem I would probably first check the video processor to make sure it is properly seated in its socket. Next I would go carefully through the code looking for hard sized arrays or fixed malloc sizes. Check the #defines carefully to see what they have and what comments you may have added about display sizes. Then look at any pointer use to make sure that it is cordoned off from exceeding the array sizes in use. After that you will need some software to monitor memory. Several forms exist, and I haven't used any in years, so I cannot recommend one for you. But if you check the archives, you will find some references last year if I remember correctly. Also because Nvidia is proprietary, the group here has no vision into their code or processes. And if your code is producing segfaults, that needs to be cleaned up before submitting bug reports anyway. REgards, Les H On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 17:48 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: I have been having this problem for a while. I was told on the fedora IRC channel that this has nothing to do with fedora and to stop my blathering, but I think that it is something that perhaps the community should at least be aware of and perhaps even hopefully can help me to solve. I am having an odd problem with nvidiafb. I have written a program to do a mandelbrot set over framebuffer, just to learn how to make mandelbrot sets and how to use the framebuffer. The program worked fine on some old hardware I had - an older nvidia AGP card. But after I upgraded to a 6200, along with a Dual-core X2-based motherboard, suddenly it stops working. More accurately, the framebuffer works fine at 1280x1024 until I start the program, at which time the image moves rapidly across the screen, reminiscent of an old TV that has lost its horizontal sync. This does not happen at 640x480, and going up in resolution the side-to-side motion gets progressively faster. Obviously, this is useless for my purposes. I worked with the directfb people to try to rule out directfb being the culprit. After I managed to get this working under VESA (with no acceleration, obviously, so it's almost useless), that pretty much ruled out directfb being the problem. So I'm having to think that for some reason the nvidiafb driver is just not playing nice with my card. I should also note that it seems to detect an NV22 card, with 64M of memory. I have an NV44 card with 256M of memory. Oddly enough, it seems to get that number from the PCI device ID, and really doesn't seem to care what it actually *is*. I'll paste some lspci output, etc., in hopes that it is useful. lspci for this card: 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) dmesg output on module being loaded: nvidiafb: Device ID: 10de0221 nvidiafb: CRTC0 analog not found nvidiafb: CRTC1 analog found nvidiafb: EDID found from BUS1 i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. nvidiafb: CRTC 0appears to have a CRT attached nvidiafb: Using CRT on CRTC 0 nvidiafb: MTRR set to ON Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x64 nvidiafb: PCI nVidia NV22 framebuffer (64MB @ 0xC000) I should also note that a program that worked JUST FINE on the old hardware using the directfb libraries now randomly segfaults. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list
Re: nvidiafb problems
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Les [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And before everyone jumps on me, sorry about the top post. I have returned to work where everything is top posted and I haven't adjusted to changing gears yet. Geez, same here. I've been using gmail and outlook for so long that I quite forgot about the convention. Gmail makes it way, way too easy to top-post. --Russell Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
nvidiafb problems
I have been having this problem for a while. I was told on the fedora IRC channel that this has nothing to do with fedora and to stop my blathering, but I think that it is something that perhaps the community should at least be aware of and perhaps even hopefully can help me to solve. I am having an odd problem with nvidiafb. I have written a program to do a mandelbrot set over framebuffer, just to learn how to make mandelbrot sets and how to use the framebuffer. The program worked fine on some old hardware I had - an older nvidia AGP card. But after I upgraded to a 6200, along with a Dual-core X2-based motherboard, suddenly it stops working. More accurately, the framebuffer works fine at 1280x1024 until I start the program, at which time the image moves rapidly across the screen, reminiscent of an old TV that has lost its horizontal sync. This does not happen at 640x480, and going up in resolution the side-to-side motion gets progressively faster. Obviously, this is useless for my purposes. I worked with the directfb people to try to rule out directfb being the culprit. After I managed to get this working under VESA (with no acceleration, obviously, so it's almost useless), that pretty much ruled out directfb being the problem. So I'm having to think that for some reason the nvidiafb driver is just not playing nice with my card. I should also note that it seems to detect an NV22 card, with 64M of memory. I have an NV44 card with 256M of memory. Oddly enough, it seems to get that number from the PCI device ID, and really doesn't seem to care what it actually *is*. I'll paste some lspci output, etc., in hopes that it is useful. lspci for this card: 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) dmesg output on module being loaded: nvidiafb: Device ID: 10de0221 nvidiafb: CRTC0 analog not found nvidiafb: CRTC1 analog found nvidiafb: EDID found from BUS1 i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block. nvidiafb: CRTC 0appears to have a CRT attached nvidiafb: Using CRT on CRTC 0 nvidiafb: MTRR set to ON Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x64 nvidiafb: PCI nVidia NV22 framebuffer (64MB @ 0xC000) I should also note that a program that worked JUST FINE on the old hardware using the directfb libraries now randomly segfaults. --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
