Re: Chown ??? (getting way OT)
g wrote: Steve Lindemann wrote: ...and I've been at this since the 70's and always thought it was "switch user". Can't recall where I first picked that up possible from novell unix? 'switch user' / 'substitute user' = synonymous. what would be interesting is how many know why unix/linux commands are terse. :) yup, substitute user is certainly equivalent, but much harder to spell so I still use switch user 8^) ...as to terse commands, how many have used a teletype console or a card punch machine as their primary input. Anyone who's had to type on those beasts understands why terse is good. ...oops, just gave it away. At least the teletype was faster than inputing binary using switches. Of course, there could be more to it that I missed... is there more? We could always jump to (what I consider) more recent history and ask if anyone else knows why we use the h,j,k,l keys for cursor movements in vi. -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments +1.970.242.3331 x116 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
Dave Ihnat wrote: On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 01:11:49PM +, g wrote: not to argue a point, but. 'su' is 'substitute user' as you can substitute to *any* 'user' or 'group', not just 'root user'. you are a 'super user' if you you become 'root' or 'adm'. Bzzzt. Wrong answer. Thank you for playing. I was at BTL in the very early '80s. Writing kernel mods and drivers for Unix, and teaching Unix internals to BTL employees. It's always been "superuser". I don't know where anyone got this lame "substitute user" stuff, but it's not authentic. ...and I've been at this since the 70's and always thought it was "switch user". Can't recall where I first picked that up (getting old and forgetful don't ya know) but if you think about it that's certainly a more appropriate name for su as it is used to switch from one user to another, not just to the superuser. -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments +1.970.242.3331 x116 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Web of Trust (a revolution)
David wrote: On 4/1/2009 10:13 AM, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 14:49 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: I use a state issued picture driver license, a birth certificate, and a US Passport. Which doesn't prove you are not one of identical twins ;) which is an important distinction if you happen to be the paranoid schizophrenic twin... True. But I also have concealed carry permits in four different states and they take fingerprints and run background checks. :-P Maybe I should have said that my mother assured me that I am me? Only the paranoid I guess. When I was in the military I held a fairly high security clearance. The kind of thing where they check your background back before you were born. I worked with folks with the same clearance levels or even higher. Curiously enough, despite having such deep background checks we still had people stealing from the coffee fund. There is *no* check that can certify you are a truly honest, ethical and reliable person... only time and observation will tell others if you can really be trusted, everything else is a wild ass guess. I know I'm a trustworthy person, but no one who doesn't know me well can ever be sure of that... no matter who else says so (hell *they* could be lying) 8^\ ...who ya gonna trust? -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments +1.970.242.3331 x116 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Not Remembering Root Password
Andras Simon wrote: Do you really think it matters? What could happen, aside from making me think a few nanoseconds longer before executing a command? I understand this has been "fixed" in some versions of unix/linux... but let us not forget the perennial favorite of many an old fart sysadmin: /bin/rm -R * in any dir, but especially fun in in the root dir / Never allow or use root priviledges unless you need them for a specific task, this ain't windoze. Either that, or back yourself up to the hilt, because you *will* shoot yourself in the foot. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. ...and, naturally, I'm speakin' from experience! I /knew/ I was in the /tmp dir I only missed by .. - thankfully we had good backups! -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments +1.970.242.3331 x116 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Time differential problem
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Casartello, Thomas wrote: This is probably not the proper place to ask this. It’s more of just a curiosity question just if anyone has any thoughts. I have a piece of software (Cisco Wireless Control System) installed on a Fedora 9 box. The time on my box is correct (daylight savings time) but the time in the WCS interface is wrong (It’s one hour slow. It’s obviously not taking DST into account.) The software has a builtin apache server where the timestamps in the logs are correct. The timestamp’s in the apache TOMCAT logs are not correct (same as in the WCS interface.) It seems to be heavily java based so maybe it’s a java issue. If anyone has a thought, it’d be much appreciated, Tom Is there any time zone setting in the Cisco program's configuration? It sounds like it may be using a fixed offset to UTC, instead of local system time, or a timezone with DST. Mikkel I can't answer for his software, but in the Cisco IOS there are settings for timezones and time servers. i.e. for US mountain time... clock timezone MST -7 clock summer-time MDT recurring 2 Sun Mar 2:00 1 Sun Nov 2:00 ntp server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx prefer If Cisco developed the software they may have something similar in a config file somewhere. -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: +1.970.242.3331 ext 116 fax: +1.970.245.7854 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Mike Wright wrote: Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? As already mentioned: a quick ALT-V-B-P will set plain text viewing for all messages. Don't forget to disallow the default viewing of images in messages too. Another important thing to change is the default for creating messages, found in the "Account Settings" dialog window. Click on the "Composition & Addressing" option for each account and uncheck the "Compose messages in HTML format" option. And while you're there, please set it so that replies start below the original message (bottom posting). That way no one has to read backwards to follow a thread. I might top post on the occasional personal message but I ALWAYS bottom post messages to a list. And, while I abhore html mail, there are some (very few) that I will view in that mode. If my hand is on the keyboard I run with the hotkeys but if it's on the mouse I have a handy add-on button that allows a one time switch to html viewing (and it doesn't mess with my default text only choice). If it's of interest search for "Allow HTML Temp" at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: +1.970.242.3331 ext 116 fax: +1.970.245.7854 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
