Checksum link problem
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Re: ibus still broken
On 10/02/2009 03:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Tait Clarridge wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 15:32 -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote: I asked here a few days ago about ibus which broke after I did a yum update. No one responded but I saw some other posts about different problems with ibus so I waited until some new updates appeared. However after upgrading again just now, it is still broken -- still no input editor appears when I type the enable sequence. However now the (new) ibus icon says no input window when left-clicked. Is ibus ever going to work? I write non- english emails everyday and Fedora is useless to me without a working ibus. At this point I wonder if I should blow off Fedora and and just return to Windows? I can confirm that it has worked for me as of today on X86_64 I did it last night on my i386 laptop by doing the following (found online). yum downgrade ibus-libs yum update Hope this helps I believe that Stuart's problem is that once you break ibus it will never dig its way out using only the 'upgrade' command, since something appears half-updated. I did successful upgrades on a number of system after the problem, but on the two systems which had an initial problem a simple upgrade fails. I will try downgrading and see if that helps. One system will not do networking since the upgrade failed, so I'm not sure what's up with that, it just broken. I rpm -e all my ibus* and anthy packages, then reinstalled the old versions from my f11 dvd repo. I still have the same problem. I also notice that the ibus desktop icon is still the new icon (the one that appeared after I'd done the updates), not the icon which was present after my original f11 install which I think looked different. So it seems that some unrevertible changes have been made. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ibus still broken
On 10/02/2009 02:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Stuart McGraw wrote: I'm using Gnome but tried that and also tried a full reboot after the updates but that didn't help. I also rpm -e all the packages I listed and reinstalled them. Last night I updated everything I could see that seemed related to gnome, gtk, pygtk, Xorg, etc., on the theory that there was perhaps some unrecognized dependency on a recent package but it didn't help. (Unfortunately I can't keep everything up to date over a 3KB/s modem connection that rarely runs unattended for more than a couple hours.) The only other thing I notice is when I run ibus-daemon from a shell with -v, I see lots of errors like the following that appear when it's started: (ibus-daemon:21356): IBUS-DEBUG: From ::1.1 to :1.3, Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed : Can not get value [engine/anthy/shortcut/default-on_off] (ibus-daemon:21356): IBUS-DEBUG: From ::1.1 to :1.3, Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed : Can not get value [engine/anthy/shortcut/default-circle_input_mode] ... (ibus-daemon:21356): IBUS-DEBUG: From ::1.1 to :1.3, Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed : Can not get value [engine/anthy/shortcut/wnn-add_word] (ibus-daemon:21356): IBUS-DEBUG: From ::1.1 to :1.3, Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed : Can not get value [engine/anthy/shortcut/wnn-start_setup] They all have in common a message about not getting a value from engine/anthy/shortcut/something. Perhaps these are normal? If not, do they ring a bell with anyone? I don't see any messages when I type the activate sequence (alt-grave) in some window. As a quick checkwhat I would do is to create a new user account and see if things work for that new user. This will then tell you if it is simply something that is related to your settings Hadn't thought of that, good idea. Did so, enabled the IME and selected Anthy, but same problem exists in the new account. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ibus still broken
On 10/02/2009 05:24 PM, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 16:51 -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote: On 10/02/2009 03:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: yum downgrade ibus-libs yum update Hope this helps I believe that Stuart's problem is that once you break ibus it will never dig its way out using only the 'upgrade' command, since something appears half-updated. I did successful upgrades on a number of system after the problem, but on the two systems which had an initial problem a simple upgrade fails. I will try downgrading and see if that helps. One system will not do networking since the upgrade failed, so I'm not sure what's up with that, it just broken. I rpm -e all my ibus* and anthy packages, then reinstalled the old versions from my f11 dvd repo. I still have the same problem. I also notice that the ibus desktop icon is still the new icon (the one that appeared after I'd done the updates), not the icon which was present after my original f11 install which I think looked different. So it seems that some unrevertible changes have been made. I'm just not buying Bill's concept of breaking and never digging out. It's easy enough as user to '$ mv ~/.ibus ~/.ibus-bak' and restart ibus to create brand new settings (right click on ibus icon in system tray and choose 'Restart') and if your did this 'rpm -e' WITHOUT resorting to anything radical such as '--nodeps' then if you create the new settings file as per above, it should be back to where it was when you first installed it. Likewise, if you did not do anything like '--nodeps' you should be able to bring it up to date simply by doing 'yum update' and if that fails, you should show us the text of where/how it failed. RED_FACE Turns out I was mistaken about ibus not working in a new account. When I tried a second time, prompted by your comment, it did indeed work. /RED_FACE Under gnome it turns out there is no ~/.ibus but I did find ibus config stuff in ~/.cache/ibus/, ~/.gconf/desktop/ibus/, and ~/.config/ibus/. I stopped ibus (by unchecking the Enable box in System-Preferences-Input Method because there is another applet (imsettings?) that automatically restarts ibus if one just Quits from the ibus icon, and I wasn't able to turn the bloody thing off by unchecking boxes in Preferences-Startup Applications). I got rid of those personal ibus directories and also my ~/.anthy/ directory, and after logging out/in, was able to reenable ibus and now it works again! Then did upgrade to latest versions and it is still working. Hooray -- no Windows! :-) Thanks for everyone's help!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ibus still broken
I asked here a few days ago about ibus which broke after I did a yum update. No one responded but I saw some other posts about different problems with ibus so I waited until some new updates appeared. However after upgrading again just now, it is still broken -- still no input editor appears when I type the enable sequence. However now the (new) ibus icon says no input window when left-clicked. Is ibus ever going to work? I write non- english emails everyday and Fedora is useless to me without a working ibus. At this point I wonder if I should blow off Fedora and and just return to Windows? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
anthy/ibus update broken?
I just did an update of some packages on my F11 system including updates to: ibus-1.1.0.20090829-1 ibus-anthy-1.1.0.20090829-1 ibus-gtk-1.1.0.20090829-1 ibus-libs-1.1.0.20090829-1 anthy-9100h-8 (I don't know what the pre-update versions were.) Now I find ibus/anthy no longer works. When I type Alt+grave to enable the IME, nothing happens. Ibus is running and its icon is on the Gnome panel. I checked its preferences setting to confirm that alt+grave is still the key sequence to enable it, and that anthy is still the default (and only) input method. No idea where to go from here. Suggestions? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Local cache / 'repo' of updates and added RPM's
On 08/15/2009 08:22 AM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 02:00 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: If the rpms are currently in the cache directory you'd want them someplace else so that they don't get deleted by yum. Or set yum to not delete the cache... Which you can do by editing /etc/yum.conf and changing the line: keepcache=0 to keepcache=1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: auto-updates
On 08/04/2009 11:36 AM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:30 -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote: I just installed Fedora 11 on my new pc. Shortly thereafter I was presented with a pop-up box that said 28 security updates were available. I (foolishly as it turned out) clicked the update button. My internet connection is a modem and the machine has been downloading for about 20 hours now. Clicking on the little updater icon in the Gnome panel does not offer any information or control. So... how do I find out: * What it is downloading? * What is the total size of the downloads? * How much is done, how much remains? * How to pause it so I can get my email? * How do I turn off auto-updates permanently? (In System-Prefs-Software Updates I had set Check for updates and Check for major updates to Never but it still seems to be checking. Not sure what all the answers to those questions are, but if you install yum-presto, it should cut down the size of the updates by quite a bit. Thanks for that info, I had not known about yum-presto before. I'll give it a try. I take the lack of responses to my questions about the software updater as being no. Am I the only one bothered by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, no documentation, you users just sit back, be happy, and we will manage your machine for you)? I came to Linux to get away from that kind of stuff. Anyway, I eventually figured out that System - Preferences - Startup Applications is the place to turn it (and some other unneeded pseudo-services) off. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
auto-updates
I just installed Fedora 11 on my new pc. Shortly thereafter I was presented with a pop-up box that said 28 security updates were available. I (foolishly as it turned out) clicked the update button. My internet connection is a modem and the machine has been downloading for about 20 hours now. Clicking on the little updater icon in the Gnome panel does not offer any information or control. So... how do I find out: * What it is downloading? * What is the total size of the downloads? * How much is done, how much remains? * How to pause it so I can get my email? * How do I turn off auto-updates permanently? (In System-Prefs-Software Updates I had set Check for updates and Check for major updates to Never but it still seems to be checking. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Dialup from a fedora machine
Hello all, I am having a bit of an emergency. I just lost my regular medium speed internet connection and am going to need to use dialup until I can buy some replacement equipment. So I am trying to setup ppp/dialup (anyone remember that? :-) on my Fedora 11 machine (something I did years ago in FC4 days). I have a USR-5610B modem in a pci slot. But Fedora seems not to notice it -- when I reboot Anaconda fails to notice any new device and I see no /dev/modem. Not sure what to check. I think the modem is ok as I have two of them and the same problem with both. AFAIK, the modem is real modem, not one of those Win-modem things. Is there anything special I need to do to make Fedora aware of this thing? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dialup from a fedora machine
Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Stuart McGraw smcg4...@frii.com wrote: I am having a bit of an emergency. I just lost my regular medium speed internet connection and am going to need to use dialup until I can buy some replacement equipment. So I am trying to setup ppp/dialup (anyone remember that? :-) on my Fedora 11 machine (something I did years ago in FC4 days). I have a USR-5610B modem in a pci slot. But Fedora seems not to notice it -- when I reboot Anaconda fails to notice any new device and I see no /dev/modem. Not sure what to check. I think the modem is ok as I have two of them and the same problem with both. AFAIK, the modem is real modem, not one of those Win-modem things. Is there anything special I need to do to make Fedora aware of this thing? -- fedora-list mailing list If your modem is a REAL MODEM, then all that you should do is the following opening up a terminal shell $ su - passwd: # wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf it will scan and try to find a port could be /dev/ttyS0, ..., /dev/ttyS3, ..., etc. Then you edit the username, phone number and password and you should connect without problems. Also, You can try the configuration via NetworkManager, but I am more knowledgeable with wvdial and I can advise you with that better. I use winmodems and compile drivers for them :) [with exceptions of some of them :( ] I tried wvdialconf but it says, sorry, no modem found. Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial? Not sure what that last bit means but I think setserial needs a serial device to configure and it is that device that I seem to be missing. NetworkManager too wants a device to talk to, with /dev/modem being the default but since there is no such device (nor anything I see that looks like it would be an emulated serial device that talks to the pci modem card), I wasn't able to do much with that. I found a USR support page which lists Linux as a usable OS and a rpm which looks a little small to be a driver but I'll see. BTW, thanks for your earlier reply to my lcd monitor/x11 config question. Haven't had a chance to get to it yet because of this latest disaster, but will soon. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dialup from a fedora machine
Patrick wrote: Stuart McGraw wrote: So I am trying to setup ppp/dialup (anyone remember that? :-) on my Fedora 11 machine (something I did years ago in FC4 days). I have a USR-5610B modem in a pci slot. But Fedora seems not to notice it -- when I reboot Anaconda fails to notice any new device and I see no /dev/modem. You can go to: http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5610b They have an RPM for Linux. You can also download a PDF file of the installation guide which addresses Linux installations (also has some troubleshooting information as well). Thanks! I'd found the rpm, but not the pdf. I'll go grab that too. After installing it, /dev/ttyS[0-3] and /dev/modem magically appeared. I ran NetworkManager and, set up a new dialup connection (it appears to use wvdial) clicked activate, and here I am! Couldn't have been easier. Thanks Fedora! (and also USR for providing Linux upport). And thanks too everyone who responded to my question. Gotta go get the firewall going now. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Low X11 resolution with samsung monitor
Hello all, I have just installed Fedora 11 on my new computer with Intel Q33 graphics and could use some help. When I boot Fedora with my old Samsung 950p CRT monitor plugged in, the X11 resolution is something reasonably high (at least 1024x760 I think). But when I boot it with my new Samsung 2333SW LCD monitor, X runs at 800x600 resolution with no higher resolutions available the Gnome Display applet.. Per some Google results I tried doing Xorg -configure :1 after booting with each monitor but the resulting xorg.conf.new file are identical. However, when I use that file (which has a basically empty Monitor section), I now get 1024x 768. But I still can't figure out how to get 1280x1024 or best, 1920x1080. Any idea how I create a xorg.conf file that will display at my lcd monitor's native 1920x1080 resolution or any- thing better than 1024x768? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It?
Bob I have used this utility before with good success http://www.soft32.com/download_191651.html I have used this one with greater success http://www.killdisk.com/?gclid=CKatoNLX4JoCFQENDQodO0xTAQ both are free utilities -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:54 PM To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: OT: Can Reformatting A Hard Drive To ext3 Destroy All the Data On It? On Thursday 28 May 2009, Robert L Cochran wrote: I have a hard drive that I need to destroy the data on. What is the most dependable way to do this? Can reformatting the drive as ext3 or ext4 or some other filesystem effectively destroy the existing data? Is there free software that can write zeroes or some form of nonsense to every storage location? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/(ice) repeated 3 or so times should pretty well destroy any attempts to recover any valid data from that drive. Don't use the partition, such as /dev/sda1, but the whole drive, /dev/sda which should also get the partition tables. Formatting a hard drive just installs a new inode framework and root directory. The data itself is still there for something as simple as: dd if=/dev/sdX which will spit it all out to the screen with only the holes created by the installation of a new filesystem framework being invalid. But /dev/urandom written to everything 3 or more times should render the data unrecoverable unless they wanna call out the guys with the electron microscopes to read the edges of the track byte by byte. Thanks Bob Cochran -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Croll's Query: If tin whistles are made of tin, what are foghorns made of? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
hardware for fedora
Hello all, Time has come to replace my ancient circa 2001 computers with something new. I will probably buy the parts and build them myself (although if anyone can recommend a vendor that uses high quality components, I'll consider that as well) but want to make sure I end up with systems that can run Fedora trouble free. I'm planning on two identical boxes, one running an Evil Empire OS, the other Fedora. I want good performance (the Fedora box will be running servers (postgresql, apache, postfix, dns, etc) as well as acting as an interactive development machine. Although I want good performance, having a trouble and complication-free install and operation is higher priority. I have just spent several days of mostly fruitless googling and found large amounts of out-dated, questionable, ambiguous, contradictory, and other not-so-good info. What I would really like is a collection of tested specifications: I used a Fruble-2500 motherboard, Caterpillar D50 Case, a Dustin Wigetal XZ123 250G hard drive, Sparker T800 800W power supply,...blah, blah..., and F10 installed and ran with no problems. Does any one have any hardware recipes like this (or a pointer to a web site with some?) Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: hardware for fedora
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/5/26 Stuart McGraw smcg2...@frii.com: Hello all, Time has come to replace my ancient circa 2001 computers with something new. I will probably buy the parts and build them myself (although if anyone can recommend a vendor that uses high quality components, I'll consider that as well) but want to make sure I end up with systems that can run Fedora trouble free. I'm planning on two identical boxes, one running an Evil Empire OS, the other Fedora. I want good performance (the Fedora box will be running servers (postgresql, apache, postfix, dns, etc) as well as acting as an interactive development machine. Although I want good performance, having a trouble and complication-free install and operation is higher priority. I have just spent several days of mostly fruitless googling and found large amounts of out-dated, questionable, ambiguous, contradictory, and other not-so-good info. What I would really like is a collection of tested specifications: I used a Fruble-2500 motherboard, Caterpillar D50 Case, a Dustin Wigetal XZ123 250G hard drive, Sparker T800 800W power supply,...blah, blah..., and F10 installed and ran with no problems. Does any one have any hardware recipes like this (or a pointer to a web site with some?) Thanks. I realise this is not quite the answer to the question you asked, but I'm keying on the probably in front of buy the parts etc. - I have extensive experience of HP Business Desktops, which I have had very little trouble running Fedora on. In particular, the dc7800 which is out of production and the dc5800 which is still supplied (avoid the dc7900 as I can't get it to boot and run reliably yet). http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF04a/12132708-12132884-12132884-12132884-81559927.html You can get quad-core Q9300 and 8GB of RAM and depending on which case style you opt for, 2-3 HDDs. I happen to have mine with an NVidia NVS290, but the built in Intel GMA3100 seems to work well too. I am not aware of any hardware inside them that is not supported by Fedora. I assume that all the other major vendors (e.g. Dell, Lenovo) have equivalent models in their Business range - those ranges tend to have better, slightly less leading-edge components to the Consumer ranges and are targeted for a 4-5 year lifespan - perhaps someone on the list with other Vendor experience can chip in to provide some balance ;o) Even if you don't need the recommendation, it may be useful to others on the list! I was planning on building something not because I like doing that but because in the past I have found that most pre-built systems used some wacky or cheapo parts. However I have been impressed with HP server hardware in the past (although their software always sucked) so your suggestion is something I will look into. But again, I would like to buy something that some can say of, yea, I bought that exact model and options and Fedora-x installed out of the box and worked fine. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: hardware for fedora
Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting Stuart McGraw smcg2...@frii.com: Hello all, Time has come to replace my ancient circa 2001 computers with something new. I will probably buy the parts and build them myself (although if anyone can recommend a vendor that uses high quality components, I'll consider that as well) but want to make sure I end up with systems that can run Fedora trouble free. I'm planning on two identical boxes, one running an Evil Empire OS, the other Fedora. I want good performance (the Fedora box will be running servers (postgresql, apache, postfix, dns, etc) as well as acting as an interactive development machine. Although I want good performance, having a trouble and complication-free install and operation is higher priority. why don't you tell us where you live (what country) and what kind of budget. U.S., and say ~$1000 although I could go a few hundred dollars over that if necessary. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to fix fstab on bootup - forgot to comment out a line
Dan Track wrote: Hi I forgot to comment out a line in /etc/fstab, now when my machine boots up it keeps dropping to a filesystem check and asks for teh root password. My question is how can I get to edit the /etc/fstab file on bootup or via grub? so type in the root password. then type this: mount /proc mount -o remount,rw / the 'mount /proc' bit is just to be absolutely certain that you got that far. You can now edit /etc/fstab (all this assumes that the error is NOT on the line for your / filesystem. In that case, use your fedora CD/DVD to boot into rescue mode and do it from there) Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the fedora way of setting a kernel module to load at boot time?
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: [...] One thing to keep in mind is that the module is not going to get loaded until the root file system gets mounted. If you need the module loaded before that, you can include it in the initrd. You would list it in /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd. (I don't remember the exact format.) you set the MODULES variable, which is picked up by mkinitrd. MODULES=intelfb or similar. Multiple modules are space separated inside the quotes. Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printers
Michael Comperchio wrote: [...] I just checked out Staples and they have an HP Photosmart C4580 Inket All-in-One that ends up being $104 out the door and is supported (according to http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web) by HPLIP. Next questions will be how to make it work when I can't figure it out1 :) my C4180 all-in Just Works. (tm) no messing with drivers. You plug it in and turn it on. another recommendation for HP from me... Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Silly question
On 11/01/09 06:59, Antonio M wrote: [...] Just an example: One of messages from Tim: Please note that in Thunderbird if I want to see full headers as option if headers are too long I can't move down the page, last lines cannot be seen. Then this might be of use: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/1003 Works for me (tm) - Although it seems that sometimes you have to switch header views back from full to normal and then back to full for the change to kick in. Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help -- can't SSH into my box
On 06/01/09 14:55, John Aldrich wrote: [...] Hmm.. possibly. I compared it with the saved SSHD_CONFIG from my FC6 box (I copied it to my home directory before wiping and reinstalling) and it *appeared* to be identical. Also, I'm running SELINUX in Permissive mode (have I mentioned I *hate* SELINUX?!?!? G) since there doesn't appear to be any way to disable it entirely. In any case, I'll try that later... Not wishing :) to open a massive can of worms (even though this probably will) but why do you hate it so much? Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Activate second volume group at boot
Eric Brunson wrote: Stuart Sears wrote: On 03/01/09 23:09, Eric Brunson wrote: I have an external drive that I've created a second volume group on. I've done a bit of poring over the init scripts in my /etc and in the initrd image, but there doesn't seem to be any facility to activate anything but VolGroup00 during the boot sequence. what do you mean by 'activate' ? acknowledge the existence of? okay, just add the usb-storage module to your initrd. something like this should do the trick: mkintrd --with=usb-storage -v -f /boot/initrd-$(uname -r).img \ $(uname -r) That fixed it, thanks a bunch, Stuart. I'll have to do that after every kernel upgrade, though, won't I? Not if you create /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd, with this line in it: MODULES=usb-storage This is picked up by the mkinitrd script automatically, which is run on kernel upgrades (or installations) Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Activate second volume group at boot
On 03/01/09 23:09, Eric Brunson wrote: I have an external drive that I've created a second volume group on. I've done a bit of poring over the init scripts in my /etc and in the initrd image, but there doesn't seem to be any facility to activate anything but VolGroup00 during the boot sequence. what do you mean by 'activate' ? acknowledge the existence of? okay, just add the usb-storage module to your initrd. something like this should do the trick: mkintrd --with=usb-storage -v -f /boot/initrd-$(uname -r).img \ $(uname -r) then reboot with the disk plugged in and turned on. The script within the initrd does a 'vgscan' so as long as the pv is visible, the volumegroup *should* appear. It will not be automatically mounted. if you want the vg to be detected whenever you attach the external drive then a udev rule with a RUN= instruction (that runs pvscan and vgscan) might do this for you. There's something in the netfs script, but from what I can unconvolute (comments in code are a Good Thing[tm]), it's not what I'm looking for. I can write my own init script, but I was wondering if there's already a facility to do it that I've missed, I prefer to use the Fedora Way if it exists. incidentally, *why* have you put a volumegroup on an external disk? Seems like an odd thing to do. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help... Can't boot!
On 03/01/09 11:10, John Aldrich wrote: I was using Fedora Core 6, just fine, but decided since it was so out of date, that I'd upgrade to Fedora 10. Now, for some reason, it won't boot. It keeps saying Unknown Partition Type 0x5. At which point does it say that? Do you get as far as the grub menu? Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is incorrect, probably containing a line similar to root (hd0,3) But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you get as far as the grub countdown/menu. How many disks do you have in the box and what's your partitioning scheme? This is the same *exact* system that was working with Core 6, all I did was install over the old version (except for /home and a storage partition.) I'm using X86_64 where before I was using i386, but that shouldn't matter, should it? nope All data drives are IDE/PATA, but I'm installing off a SATA DVD ROM. okay, how many are there? And which one do you want to boot from? HELP!!! I need to get this up and running as it's my primary desktop machine. I am stuck using my wife's XP box until I can get it back up and running! :-( Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help... Can't boot!
On 03/01/09 13:24, John Aldrich wrote: Quoting Stuart stu...@sjsears.com: At which point does it say that? Do you get as far as the grub menu? Partition type 0x5 is an 'Extended' partition. (/dev/sda4 or equivalent, usually) - this suggests to me that your grub.conf is incorrect, probably containing a line similar to root (hd0,3) But you can see this (I hope) by hitting 'e' at boot time, assuming you get as far as the grub countdown/menu. Grub.conf is as follows: root (hd1,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 ro root=UUID=1acff5c4-7a23-414a-9e04-f356c64e24bd rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64.img device.map is as follows: (hd0) /dev/sda (hd1) /dev/sdb When it tries to boot, I get the following (it skips the grub menu -- it's the only install there): root (hd1,0) fs type unknown, partition type 0x5. okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot... in case you don't know how: hit 'c' to bring up the console type root (hd TAB grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2) for each of those, try root (hdX,TAB which should give you the partition layouts and types then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement. hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement accordingly. See if it works after that. I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what you think is sdc, which may only have sdc1 - Extended sdc5 - first logical partition on it. I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different order to what I expected. Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help... Can't boot!
On 03/01/09 14:47, John Aldrich wrote: Quoting Stuart Sears stu...@sjsears.com: okay, what I would do here is use the grub console to find /boot... in case you don't know how: hit 'c' to bring up the console type root (hd TAB grub should fill in the disks it can see (hopefully hd0/1/2) for each of those, try root (hdX,TAB which should give you the partition layouts and types then for each of the (hdX,0) partitions, try kernel (hdX,0)/ TAB one of them should have your vmlinuz-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 file on it. use that one in your root (hdX,0) statement. hit ESC to get back to the menu and edit the 'root' statement accordingly. See if it works after that. I think, from your previous post, that you may be pointing grub at what you think is sdc, which may only have sdc1 - Extended sdc5 - first logical partition on it. I had a similar issue with the installer seeing my disks in a different order to what I expected. Well, when I boot off the install DVD in rescue mode, it shows up correctly. I'm reinstalling yet again, this time, I told the installer to swap the disk order from what is in bios. We'll see how that goes... Hopefully I didn't just end up wiping my /home (and all my MP3 files! G) did you actually try what was suggested? I'm fairly certain this is fixable without repeated reinstalls. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: E-mail Server
On 14/12/08 20:47, homb...@tips-q.com wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:04:16 +0200 [...] a) CentOS, not Fedora agreed b) Postfix is probably the easiest MTA to configure. Also agreed, but he default postfix config shipped in Fedora, RHEL (and as a result almost certainly) CentOS is retarded... be careful with security settings. Most of the HOWTOs seem to cover this. c) The default imap/pop3 server (dovecot) is sufficient for up to a few hundred users. Is there any particular evidence you have to support this? AFAIK dovecot scales to 100,000+ users (at the very least) d) Test, test and test again before you go live. Pay particular attention to preventing an open relay. Stuart -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: no mouse for F10 install
Marland V. Pittman wrote: Kevin Kempter wrote: I start the Fedora 10 install and I get the graphical install screen fine, and the keyboard works but no mouse, Ive tried both USB and PS2 mouse with no luck I have a box that I installed F10 on and the cursor is actually invisible. I think it has something to do with the VIA chipset video. I haven't resolved it yet (lack of time/knowledge so far) but, I'm suggesting that maybe your cursor is invisible as well. Hope that helps. If not, maybe someone can help me fix mine. yep. Had exactly the same issue myself. I've no idea how to fix it in the installer, though. Option SWCursor On needs to be added to the Device section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file don't have one? okay, as root: X -configure :1 you'll get /root/xorg.conf.new, which you can edit copy into place in /etc/X11 Stuart -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Preventing USB automount
Steve Berg wrote: john wendel wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:18:55 -0600 (CST) Steve Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy rule to create for udev that will turn off that function? Or you could take the easy way out (like I do), chkconfig haldaemon off. I don't miss it at all. Regards, John Yep, that does work, unfortunately it also breaks a few things I don't want to break So far I've managed to tweak the rule in 50-udev-default.rules so I at least get an email notification that a usb device has been attached. Now I need to do that and prevent the mounting of said device. The issue here is that it's not udev that is doing the mounting, AFAIK. This is done by hal - or it would happen on the console too. do you want the device nodes created at all? or just not mounted? you can completely disable usb storage devices using /etc/modprobe.conf, if you wish, just add this line to it: install usb_storage /bin/true This will prevent usb_storage devices from working (as long as usb_storage is not already loaded). It's a bit of a drastic solution, but it works fine. However, their device nodes will also not exist, so manual mounting is out of the question as well. Maybe somebody can offer advice on this: If I leave the libusb section in 50-udev-default.rules file and put my new rule that does notification in a 20-local.rules I understand that the 20 file is a higher priority. But does that also mean that if a new device gets a hit in the 20 file that it will ignore the rule in 50? Or should I be commenting out the libusb entry in 50 so it's disabled and only the 20-local.rules file will take action? The hal solution offered earlier seems like a good start if you want the devices to be mountable, but not automounted. There's probably a gconf key to prevent this from happening under GNOME, too if you'd rather. KDE will have a similar setting. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is modprobeconf
Aaron Konstam wrote: I just noticed there is no modprobe.conf in f9. What takes its place? Well, I have one... are you definitely looking in the right place? Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is modprobeconf
Stuart Sears wrote: Aaron Konstam wrote: I just noticed there is no modprobe.conf in f9. What takes its place? replying to myself, as I have come to look on another system. Well, I have one... are you definitely looking in the right place? look at the various files in /etc/modprobe.d Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC9 login without password
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Mine is FC9... So, how to config the user profile, then the user login without password ( disable password ) ? autologin a specific user graphically without a password? something like this... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/fedora-9-auto-login-644821/ Unless you want your users to literally have *no* password... This is a very bad idea! I'll let someone else tell you how to compromise your system security like that. I can't bring myself to do it... Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No sound in Flashplayer
Jim wrote: FC8-i386 To get sound in flashplayer, do you need to install libflashsupport ?? yes. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No sound in Flashplayer
Stuart Sears wrote: Jim wrote: FC8-i386 To get sound in flashplayer, do you need to install libflashsupport ?? yes. oops. I mean. possibly not. On Fedora 9 this is needed, but IIRC on fedora 8 there wasn't such a problem. /me goes back into hiding Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: extra harddisk on RAID5
roland wrote: Hello, I have a server with 3 Harddisks 74Gb Raid5 I would like to install a 4th disk as a backup. I never did this before. What will happen when I plug this disk in, you wish to add the 4th device as a hot spare to your RAID5? will it install itself? how will it appear? When one of the disks should fail in the future, can I pull out this 4th disk and plug it in as replacement for the failing disk? Or there some things I have to take care of? 1. partition it in exactly the same way as the other disks. Assuming It's a single large partition, make sure that the partition is labelled as 'fd' (or Linux RAID autodetect). 2. run 'partprobe' to inform the kernel about your new partition(s) 3. Add it to your RAID5 as a hot spare to the raid array (assuming it's called /dev/md0): mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdd1 (assuming the new disk is /dev/sdd and you have a partition on it called sdd1) 4. Now mdadm --detail /dev/md0 should show you have 4 devices, one is a spare device. This will automatically be used to replace a failed disk. If you want to remove a failing disk now (/dev/sdb1 for example) you can 5. fail and remove the broken device: mdadm /dev/md0 -f /dev/sdb1 mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdb1 6 let the array rebuld itself. You can see this happening in /proc/mdstat: watch 'cat /proc/mdstat' 7. You should now be able to physically remove the failed device (you'll probably have to shut down for this unless you have hotpluggable disks) HTH Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc10 and raid-10
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
The Fedora installer has insisted on requiring four drives for raid-10
install, and then not using raid-10, but rather raid-1+0 which is
*NOT* the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Nested_levels
ah, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels
See the Linux MD RAID 10 section.
(or man md, if you'd prefer)
It is still (at its most basic) effectively RAID 1+0, but doesn't
require an even number of disks and can do some funky things with layout
and number of (near or far) copies of each chunk.
this is what
mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 10 -n4 /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}1
would do, for example.
As opposed to manually creating 2 mirrors and striping over them.
Stuart
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Re: yum repositories question
bob smith wrote: [...] What it looks like to me is I do not have the proper copy of the repositories. Does some one have a working copy, and example, I can try for 386/686 system? rpm -Uvh http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/9/i386.newkey/fedora-release-9-5.transition.noarch.rpm (that link will wrap) Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to mount an LVM volume? (was lvm2 problem)
Gene Poole wrote: I'm not 100% sure that this will work, however it shouldn't hurt either... As root: mkdir /oldboot mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 /oldboot The file systems should now be available off of /oldboot If you want to make it available and mounted at boot time, update your fstab Hope this helps... Good afternoon, Chris. My problem is related but not exactly the same. In my case I have upgraded from FC5 to F9 by doing a fresh install on a new hard drive, and I need to mount the old FC5 boot disk to copy some stuff off of it. mount /dev/sdb2 /driveb doesn't work for the reasons noted (/dev/sdb2 is a container and not a volume). So, I said lvm vgscan and got: File descriptor 20 left open Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Found volume group VolGroup00 using metadata type lvm2 Found volume group VolGroup00 using metadata type lvm2 Then I said pvs and got: File descriptor 20 left open PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/sda2 VolGroup00 lvm2 a- 111.59G 32.00M /dev/sdb2 VolGroup00 lvm2 a-76.22G 32.00M (Hope the formatting and column alignment on the above doesn't come through all screwed up...) Apparently it thinks that both volumes are named VolGroup00 (instead of ...00 and ...01) so things like lvm vgchange don't do any good because it doesn't know which VolGroup00 to make available. Only one of the volumegroups will currently be available, you can't have 2 conflicting /dev/VolGroup00 entries. That way lies madness. Alternatively, remove one disk, boot F9 (or FC5, really doesn't matter which!) with a rescue disc and rename the volumegroup. vgrename /dev/VolGroup00 /dev/VolGroup-F9 (or something like that - man vgrename). (although in rescue mode, this would be lvm vgrename) if you put the other disk back afterwards, the names will no longer clash Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ntpdate fails to start
Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, At booting, ntpdate fails to start, and also the following command fails: # /sbin/service ntpdate start ntpdate: Synchronizing with time server: [FAILED] # The log messages are: Sep 7 12:50:50 localhost ntpdate[2908]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting Any ideas? service ntpd status Should show you that the ntp daemon is already running. You can't run both ntpd (the server) and ntpdate (the client) at the same time. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
Paul Smith wrote: [...] Thanks a lot, Stuart. The command restorecon -v /etc/services solved the problem. Can the problem that I reported be considered a bug of Selinux? No. It is supposed to only allow rpcbind to access files that are labelled in a specific way (I don't have a list to hand). I don't know why /etc/services was labelled this way, but it is clearly an error. If /etc/services was incorrectly labelled it is possible that other files are also incorrect. one way to be fairly certain that your system is correctly labelled is touch /.autorelabel If you do this your system will be checked and relabelled on its next boot. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
Paul Smith wrote: On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Stuart Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...edited...] An 'AVC denial' is just telling you that SELinux has prevented something from happening on your system. We'd need the actual denial message to see what it's complaining about - click on the Sheriff's badge in your system tray and tell us what it says. Thanks, Stuart. The required information is below: -- Summary: SELinux is preventing the rpcbind from using potentially mislabeled files (./services). Detailed Description: SELinux has denied rpcbind access to potentially mislabeled file(s) (./services). This means that SELinux will not allow rpcbind to use these files. It is common for users to edit files in their home directory or tmp directories and then move (mv) them to system directories. The problem is that the files end up with the wrong file context which confined applications are not allowed to access. Allowing Access: If you want rpcbind to access this files, you need to relabel them using restorecon -v './services'. You might want to relabel the entire directory using restorecon -R -v '.'. Additional Information: Source Contextunconfined_u:system_r:rpcbind_t:s0 Target Context unconfined_u:object_r:rpm_script_tmp_t:s0 Target Objects ./services [ file ] okay, the rpcbind service is trying to access a file called 'services' (the ./ path puzzles me, but I suspect /etc/services here) which is mislabelled if ls -Z /etc/services looks like this: -rw-r--r-- root root system_u:object_r:rpm_script_tmp_t:s0 /etc/services try correcting the labels like this... restorecon -v /etc/services which should tell you it is doing this - restorecon reset /etc/services context system_u:object_r:rpm_script_tmp_t:s0-system_u:object_r:etc_t:s0 Then try restarting the rpcbind (and probably nfs) services. incidentally, blindly following the advice of setroubleshoot is not always the correct response - in some cases all its advice boils down to is If you want me to shut up and stop bothering you, try this... Sometimes it is supposed to bother you :) Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
Paul Smith wrote: Whenever I run /sbin/service rpcbind restart I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating: AVC denial After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start. Yes, I am running F9. I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at. But google AVC denial it has been discussed in this list before. Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you. Thanks, Aldo. I have just noticed that with Selinux set in permissive mode, NFS starts correctly. Any ideas, you or others? we need far more information than that to be of assistance! An 'AVC denial' is just telling you that SELinux has prevented something from happening on your system. We'd need the actual denial message to see what it's complaining about - click on the Sheriff's badge in your system tray and tell us what it says. Then we may know what is wrong! Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
Aaron Konstam wrote: [...stuff about switchdesk... ] Nothing extra. It just allows you to change the default window manager. The problem with the session icon on the login panel is that I don't have one. So maybe the question is how to get it to appear. It was there in previous installations. Any ideas? On my F9 system it doesn't appear until you have selected your username - then you get language and session boxes to choose from in the bar at the bottom Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: strange behavior of vim syntax highlighting
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 15:42 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote: [..edited...] Well, thanks for the answer. Now, I found out vi=!vim. With vim I have syntax high lighting everywhere, with vi no. So, I'll make a alias. Thanks, Uwe It should have already been an alias by default. It's no longer an alias if you are root. I suspect this may have some bearing on the issue. I've just got used to typing 'vim' instead just a guess :) Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FEDORA8: NOT GETTING TO DESKTOP AFTER MAKING LOGIN
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, I am using fedora 8 and facing a serious trouble of Not getting on to my desktop or getting to it after 10 – 15 minutes. I have reinstalled fedora 8 and it has started showing me the same problem again but after a month of daily usage. The system is generally used for around 10 hours per day and fedora is being used as a SERVER OS to run MYSQL(auto start) JBOSS(started manually in terminal - no auto start). It has been confirmed from an engineer that there is no hardware problem. During booting of Fedora almost all the processes starts very quickly and I am being directed to the login window within minutes. But PROBLEM STARTS AFTER THIS WHEN I MAKE LOGIN EITHER THROUGH ROOT OR AS A NORMAL USER THEN IT DOES NOT SHOW DESKTOP FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. the shocking thing is that this problem is not consistent i.e. it happens sometimes and not on a regular basis. But if it happens then my jboss does not work. Is this a GNOME desktop? It could easily be network-related. Check your DNS settings and make sure that they work properly. Incidentally there really is NO NEED TO SHOUT if you can avoid it. regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Permission denied error for root user when perms are 0775?
R. G. Newbury wrote: [ edited for relevance ] Thanks to both of you. Good pointers. The drive is a partition on the same spindle, mounted '-t ext3 /dev/sda5 /keep', BUT /etc/fstab has the partition as 'users,defaults'...so it IS possible that 'defaults' = 'noexec'...easily tested: thank you. nope, it's not 'defaults', it's 'users': from the mount manpage: users - Allow every user to mount and unmount the file system. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line users,exec,dev,suid). IIRC 'user' has the same problems. Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora Install Using DVD and HTTP
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Tod writes: I have a web server with a DVD drive, and a server with only a CD ROM drive. How can I install fedora on the server over the network using HTTP? Very easy. I've searched around but haven't found a method that matches my particular situation. Any ideas? On the install DVD you will find the file /images/boot.iso. Burn that as an ISO file onto a CD, and you'll end up with a bootable install CD. Now, take the DVD, and mount it on the web serverl, and start Apache. Take the bootable CD, boot the server with it, start the installer, and tell it to do an http install. or, of course, just share the ISO image via NFS (yes, not http. I realise that...) Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SElinux concerning symlink?
Todd Denniston wrote: Stuart Thanks for the recipe. you're welcome if /rootlockeddown/ is on NFS, would the following command do part of what is needed? (yet more complexity, but then we do have a real world to live in :) setsebool -P use_nfs_home_dirs=1 seems that it might. It basically treats nfs_t the same as user_home_t /me smiles inwardly at the idea of NFS being described as locked down at all. -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SElinux concerning symlink?
Mike wrote: Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes: I would imagine that the SELinux contexts are wrong. They're applied to expected filepaths (home space contexts for the usual /home/username/ filepaths), I imagine that they won't get applied across symlinks, as it'd be too easy for someone to symlink non-public system stuff into the middle of a public area, to try and access it. Thanks Tim - in fact logging in on the laptop itself is fine - the problem occurs when logging in via ssh from another machine. I checked the selinux contexts with ls -Z and the contexts of /opt/Local/home are different to those of the symlink at /home how, exactly? These are the labels on my system (using ls -Z): /home/* system_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0 /home/USER/*system_u:object_r:user_home_t:s0 /home system_u:object_r:home_root_t:s0 whereas files in /opt/local seem to get labelled like this: /opt/local/*unconfined_u:object_r:usr_t:s0 or this system_u:object_r:usr_t:s0 (depends on how they were created IIRC) have you tried relabelling the homedirs and their contents in /opt/local/home appropriately? Yes the user area is then (via the symlink) /home/username and as I said works fine for login on the machine itself. I tried changing the context of the symlink using chcon but it would not allow me to change the link (as root) - however I have also read that for some circumstances it may be necessary to use the newrole command as root - but I am groping in the dark with this as I am not knowledgeable about when this is appropriate. what did you try to change it to? did you try chcon on the files in /opt (the following is by no means complete) - chcon -t home_root_t /opt/local/home chcon -t home_dir_t /opt/local/home/* chcon -R -t user_home_t /opt/local/home/USER/* for starters. when you ssh in, are you sure it's an selinux problem? for more useful messages, try this: 1. yum install setroubleshoot 2. service setroubleshoot start 3. then ssh in 4. look in /var/log/messages on your machine for lines containing 'sealert' (or just run sealert -b if you have a graphical desktop) 5. see if there are complaints about mislabelled files/dirs. 6. let us know what the error messages are. We can be of more help that way. Everything we do at the moment is little more than educated guesswork. Do you know of any links to a getting started understanding SELinux type of guide? The Red Hat SELinux guide might be helpful. http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Deployment_Guide/selg-overview.html as might the various docs here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux The contexts for the files in the non-root partition appear to be set OK what are they set to? ls -Z /opt/local/home/* and it looks like it is the symlink that is causing the problem. So far I can use the applications as normal (i.e. as before) apart from this one problem. I have yet to explore whether there will be problems with dovecot if the mail area is symlinked (again normal previous practice for me with SELinux disabled previously) symlinked from where? /opt again? Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: SElinux concerning symlink?
Todd Denniston wrote: [ edited. Any context errors resulting are all mine :) ] I can agree with that, but how do you convince SEL that you desire /rootlockeddown/user/authorized_keys to be a valid place for sshd to read? note /rootlockeddown/ is not where home directories are, it is where the admin approved keys are after the admin sets in sshd_config: AuthorizedKeysFile /rootlockeddown/%u/authorized_keys you can use semanage to add extra path-context mappings to your policy (You could do this in a policy module too, if you need to apply the same settings to many systems) something like this... (the path regex may not be perfect. It's late here) semanage fcontext -a -f -- -t user_home_t '/rootlockeddown/[^/]*/.+' semanage --help or man semanage might help there. It also helps if you understand how file labels are decided when new files are created in (or plain cp'd into) a directory: 1. if there is a rule in policy that describes how particular files should be labelled, use that Otherwise 2. files (and sudbirs) inherit the label of their parent directory. so realistically, you could just ensure that you label /rootlockeddown/USER as user_home_dir_t. The semanage option is (arguably) better though. Incidentally, if you mv (or cp -a) files from one dir to another, they take their original labels with them. This bites people a lot. Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
Reik Red wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute. People are talking about using maildir format instead of mbox format. Fine. But the original question was about local/offline storage, not the server storage. You can still (sometimes) choose between mbox and mail dir for local/offline storage Also for Thunderbird, Arthur? If you are willing to download using a tool like fetchmail and run a local IMAP server, then yes. In the circumstances I would probably do this. I used to before I managed my own mail. I don't think Thunderbird can do local maildir storage. Stuart -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: url for fc9 images
Don Cohen wrote: I'm trying to use net install. I get to the point where it says to enter a url for the fedora images. What url should I use? I've been searching the documentation and the web for this info and don't see it. If it's there, tell me where to look. If not, I suggest putting it in the doc. I'm guessing that this does NOT mean .iso images. You'd be right about that. You need to find a local mirror to do this effectively (you could install directly from the fedora/RH servers too, though) Browse down to the toplevel directory containing the 'Packages', 'images' and 'repodata' directories (i.e. it looks like the root of CD1 of an install set.) This is the URL you need. The installer will happily use FTP or HTTP to fetch packages etc. Over a slow link this will be hellish. Trust me. :) (this is for Fedora 9 - on earlier releases you may find that one of those dirs is called 'Fedora' rather than 'Packages'. I forget when this changed.) In my case, one of the UK mirrors is www.mirrorservice.org. The link at this UK mirror would be the hideously overlong http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Fedora/i386/os/ summarised as: http://tinyurl.com/6ogyk5 (who knows, that may even work in the installer. never tried). obviously it would make sense to choose a mirror that is fairly close to your location. regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHC* It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. I've got a folder with 150,000 messages, yes. Its not usually the one that gives the problem though. Almost always the one that gives the problem is the one that is open when you first start the application. I think there is a bug in retrieving the current message for viewing and receiving a new email into the folder. What is one supposed to do with large email folders, besides manually breaking them up ? actually make them directories rather than flat files. mbox - one big flat text file per folder maildir - one directory per folder, one file per email. you may already have this. Is this your own mailserver or does someone else administer it? Stuart -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: howto use curl to get Internet IP
Jim wrote:
What approach would you suggest that is better to use ?
I have a DSL AP 2Wire783 in front of my computer that does not have the
capability of giving me the Internet IP
This works for me after a moment's experimentation:
links -dump http://www.getip.com/| awk '/^IP Address:/ {print $NF}'
Stuart
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Re: Fedora Legacy shutting down
Heya, Also I'd like to know if there's a list of mirrors that will continue to be available for a while. If not I'd like to know how I can rsync all packages created by the Fedora Legacy Project without also rsyncing the packages that are still available at download.fedora.redhat.com. Most packages have legacy in their filename, but I believe some do not. Can anyone shed some more light on this? I believe PlanetMirror still has a full mirror over here: http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/fedoralegacy I will ask the appropriate people to leave it up as long as possible. Stuart -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list
Re: procmail dovecot Q.
Hi there, snip Whats the best mailing list to get on where help with this might be obtained? This is not entirely what you're looking for, however, I've put out a guide to setup getmail + Dovecot. I believe getmail Dovecot support SpamAsssassin out of the box too. http://seekbrain.com/2006/02/12/home-network-setup-part-5/ Stuart -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list
Re: Fedora rescue CD
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 03:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Its not a new thing and distrowatch does indeed seem to have that impression which I believe merely shows a wider issue. There are a large number of people who are aware of installation features such as boot and rescue images as well as kickstart. If these are not being prominently shown in the download pages and documented well in the installation guides it could be. There is definitely room for improvement. Agreed - I'm currently working on the advanced install options. HTML version of CVS Installation Guide: http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/docs/fedora-install-guide/en/ch-admin-options.html#sn-bootoptions -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Slow actions? Time to move on!
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:46:11 -0600, Patrick Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We really need to come up with more formal processes than what we have in place. Improvement in this area has been slow. We've jumped in to several different projects without really knowing where we are going. I think that processes in themselves don't get things done... Ultimately, things happen when a small group of people have a common goal, and do whatever tunrs out to be necessary to make it happen. The processes and infrastructure tend to follow after, e.g there is now a mailing list for Websites because enough people became committed to the idea of sorting out Fedora's Web presence. There are obviously some things we can't predict, and we are doing a bit of experimentation, but we really need to work on formalizing and outlining our strategy. One way would be start with five or six concrete goals that have support, and then go from there, e.g. Have a Fedora presence at every major Linux event in 2006, or Hit 10,000 maintained packages in Extras. What needs to be done then becomes obvious. It almost doesn't matter if the goals aren't achieved - they provide focus. Example: GNOME's 10x10. Will GNOME actually have 10% share by 2010 ? Dunno, but it gives the project specific something to shoot for. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Talking Points
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 10:48 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: OK, gang. I'm working on a set of talking points for Fedora. Think of these as sound bites. Imagine having a deck of cards, each with a few sentences, each of which describes an important Fedora message. Here's the start: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/TalkingPoints I could really use some help. Either: a. Fix a FIXME; or b. Add a talking point that you think is vitally important. I added this link to the page, but I thought it may be of wider interest too. TIOBE Programming Community Index, which attempts to measure the popularity of programming languages: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm Fedora supports all of the top 4 languages, and 7 out of the top 10 (the other three are C#, classic VB, and Delphi). Java is number one. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Core 4 review: Educated new village boy!
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 10:04 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On 9/15/05, Patrick Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks to be out of reach. day in and day out... yes... out of reach. But if we get our ducks in a row and we try to have a call to arms advertisement plan synced up with test1 of a release cycle for even a single day it might be worth the resource outlay...especially..if we can turn test release reviewers into our unsuspecting PR minions. So among all the complaints or fanboy activity in those reviews..they sneak in a useful blurb about the call to arms for tasks for that release cycle. So i don't have to personally follow up and double-dog-dare people to chip in. Can be have a blinding supernova of help wanted advertising on test1 release day? My first question is can we actually get our ducks in a row in time for test1 so that if we make a general call to arms for help for specific identified tasks? Basically making sure the process for each identified task is ready to grind them up and actually use them right away. It's not just the release note beat writer task that I'm thinking about here... though it serves as a good test case example. There are a number of interesting tasks that could use with a fresh infusion of blood every release cycle.. Fedora automatically gets press when the test releases go out, and will also get some when the Foundation is announced, so if there is a good set of pages on participating the URL could be promoted on the press releases. Other channels I could think of, which could be used at pretty much any time: - fedora-list - fedora-announce - FedoraNews Also possible, but time-sensitive: - Red Hat Magazine - print Linux magazines (I'm sure that at least one I've seen has a Help Wanted section for Open Source projects) - the release notes themselves (there was a help wanted sign on the FC4t1 notes) -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Meeting minutes - 16/09/2005
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:59 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 02:01 +1000, Colin Charles wrote: * Logo - First round at: http://www.capstrat.com/development/fedora/. Infinite freedom isn't decided as the slogan, but the general consensus is that the logo is loved. Concentrate on logo feedback today. Color can be fixed later (like Legacy or something) Is the 'f' too subtle? Do we need a name? Somebody suggested I should comment on the list, so here goes ;) On the whole, I like the infinite freedom concept, and I like the f-infinity teardrop logo. It also makes a great icon. I like the icon, but I'm not convinced that the icon or the concept quite fit. I associate Fedora more with innovation, forethought, design and care, rather than vastness (in the amount of software, or flexibility), or specifically with freedom. There is already a Universal Operating System (with a nice swirl logo and a well-known emphasis on Freedom), and ultimate flexibility would perhaps be a Gentoo motto. Again, the icon is good, but it doesn't really say Fedora to me at all... -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: For this weeks meeting agenda...
On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 05:04 -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote: On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 05:01 -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote: Dang, I'm half-asleep. Do-over ... Say something like ... Fedora Core, more than most other Linux distributions, requires the filesystem have extensive kernel/application support. Ext2/Ext3 have a long history on all Linux distributions, so kernel and application support is commonly implemented. This includes kernel NFS services, quotas and Extended Attributes (EAs) for things such as Access Control Lists (ACLs) and Mandatory Access Controls (MACs) like SELinux. ReiserFS is not working on supporting many of these features, which is a show-stopper, and has a long history if compatibility issues with traditional services Fedora Core has been used for. JFS is still missing many of these components, and suffers from the same compatibility history as ReiserFS. While XFS does have extensive support, and SGI has produced releases of XFS for prior Red Hat kernels, Fedora Core has not tested XFS extensive, and there are many known issues with XFS in the Linux kernel (outside of SGI's control). Actually, I just re-read that and it's too subjective and, worse yet, makes statements on behalf of other entities (which we obviously can't do). As has already been said, it may not need much detail. The important points are probably that ReiserFS doesn't yet support key features x, y and z, and XFS isn't suited or reliable for standard setups. I tagged that myth on after an IRC discussion about unreasonable user requests - people semi-regularly claim that Fedora should support/default to ReiserFS (as SUSE does, I think) because it's supposedly faster or cleverer or whatever, and that XFS is l33t, so it should be a standard installation option. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Who's the Fedora user?
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:06:01 -0400, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 8/24/05, Greg DeKoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do we have to say to her? Honestly.. I'll tell her that perhaps linux is not right for her... and to check out other for-pay linux distributions which include proprietary technology instead of being completely open source. Moving to completely open source solutions has an opportunity cost, you either value the benefits of open source over the costs or you don't... and that determination comes down to personal situations. I'd also tell her that crossing any operating system boundary has a portability price associated with. The price is higher when you crossing from proprietary to an open vendor. And while there are some technical solution which help.. there is no universal solution to the problem..either for proprietary binary portability or proprietary content portability. I think this is a model worth looking at - CodeWeavers' Truth in Advertising: Real Dirt: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/truth_in_advertising/the_real_dirt/ They say straight out in a simple language What works well *and* What sort of works and What doesn't work As Jeff says, we can't provide binary compatibility. Maybe we can make a plus point of being absolutely straight about these kinds of things and differentiating Fedora from those who say Linux is ready for the desktop, without talking about the trade-offs that users must make. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FedoraMyths (New wiki page)
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 23:12 -0500, Patrick Barnes wrote: I have put up a new page on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths This is intended to be a point to fight common myths about Fedora, such as the nature of Red Hat's relationship with Fedora. If you have any myths that you often hear and would like to add, please feel free to do so. I've added a section on the software installation is hard/RPM sucks thing, which is hopefully useful for dealing with the kind of bad info being discussed on the other thread. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wording of Legal Issues myth
On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 11:33 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 23:42 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Do you have wiki access, If so you can edit the wiki yourself. Link to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems which clarifies the status Yep. I can commit the change. I just wanted to see if anyone thought the revision crossed any legal boundaries before doing so. I wrote that section, and one draft had something like Third-party repositories independently provide restricted software for users in jurisdictions where the legal issues noted [in ForbiddenItems] do not apply. Didn't commit it because I wasn't sure whether this would going too far for Red Hat legal either. Personally I would think that it's OK, because we haven't expressed an opinion or given any help to people to find the relevant software, but IANAL. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Someone's missing the point...it's us.
On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 09:44 +0200, Alex Maier wrote: So if we agree on this, the next steps should be: 1. Form a group of folks with one lead accountable for the result to sit down and draft answers for the What-Why-How. 2. Discuss the results on this list and in one of the meetings. 3. Finalize the whole thing and build wiki pages for each point. 4. Build graphics and place links on f.r.c and on the landing page of fp.org I volunteer to start drafting the anwers over the next week--who is with me? Me - I think that Paul's comments were spot on, and it's well worth doing. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Someone's missing the point...it's us.
On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 23:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Home desktops that you maintain for other people is definitely another common use case. Personally I feel that Fedora is currently less suited to this than some other distros. For example, the quantity of updates is problematic for systems with dial-up connections. We cant really reduce the number of updates without changing the design of the project. I'm not suggesting that we do - it's just a design choice that suits the aims of Fedora but (IMO) makes it less suited to the case that Thijs mentioned. Frequent updates is probably a good talking point for other cases, like hobbyist desktops and OSS developer workstations. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora review
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:37:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 11:32 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 14:12 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On 7/19/05, Karsten Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, this is not rocket science, but details need to be resolved in the FOSS side. ive got istanbul building and installing on my smp rawhide box now, with minor modifications to j5's current spec file. Can't test it till i get home, but assuming it works I can post some examples of theora videos tomorrow. Name 3 specific tasks you'd like to see mockup theora videos created by istanbul. Configuring the update applet is fairly common and easy task, since it doesn't have many decision points - you can basically just click Next if you don't have a proxy server. -- Stuart Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
