Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/03/2010 10:58 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: All - To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment center. Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, copy-protected DVDs under Linux? Are you saying it worked with older DVDs? Yes. Do you have libdvdcss installed? Yes. I can *play* the DVD, I just couldn't *copy* it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
All - To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment center. Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, copy-protected DVDs under Linux? -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/22/2009 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I use the proprietary driver. I hate that I have to, but in order to use the full capabilities of my video card I have to. It was a bit of a challenge to make it work but nothing insurmountable. I've had no problems on my end. Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Compiz-manager bombs but desktop-effects works?
All - I'm using a GeForce 7300 GT video card. It's worked great for dual-head with all the compiz-fusion goodness since FC6 or so. I finally got F12 installed, jumped through the hoops to get the NVidia driver (from nvidia.com) installed. Weird thing is that if I fire up compiz-manager, it doesn't work. No wobbly windows, no spinning desktop, nothing. Here's the output: [tcame...@case Desktop]$ compiz-manager Checking for Xgl: not present. xset q doesn't reveal the location of the log file. Using fallback /var/log/Xorg.0.log Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:0393 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present. Checking for non power of two support: present. Checking for Composite extension: present. Comparing resolution (2880x900) to maximum 3D texture size (4096): Passed. Checking for nVidia: present. Checking for FBConfig: present. Checking for Xgl: not present. Starting gtk-window-decorator /usr/bin/compiz (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format If I just run desktop-effects, I get the wobbly windows and spinning desktop. Just none of the cool advanced features of compiz-fusion. Anyone else seeing this? Any pointers? TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Old laptop for a media server ? (F11, mediaTomb, transcoding, uPNP server, etc.)
On 10/05/2009 12:38 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: We have a Dell 5100 laptop sitting here not doing anything. My wife got a new one a year ago. We need a media server to serve large digital images to client computers running digikam and we also want to run mediatomb to act as a server for our laptops and our uPNP capable tv. The 5100 has a Pentium 4 running at 2.66 MHz. Right now it has 256 MB of RAM, but I think I have 1 GB sitting around here for it. Plug in a new 7200 RPM 500 GB hard drive ? Run a 1 TB USB drive for more storage ? Definitely max out the RAM. Memory's cheap and it helps a LOT. I would like to run Fedora 11 on it. (What else ?) Boot init 3 ? Run init level 5 for doing administration ? Runlevel 3 and then ssh -X into it for admin with GUI tools if you need 'em. I am running the F11 Live CD on it right now. It seems to work fairly well, albeit a bit slow. I love the form factor. It would be quiet and small. Its got a monitor and a keyboard and built in battery back up, for a couple hours, anyway. We have a wireless card for it too... I could do administration on the couch instead of in some closet somewhere. Will it do the job ? I'm worried about the transcoding part of things. Our TV doesn't support many video formats but mediaTomb does transcoding so that we can watch just about anything we can store. Will it do the job ? Totally depends on what your criteria for success is. If you don't mind that laptops typically have God-awful slow drives you should be fine. Instead of using a USB drive I would spring for an eSATA PCMCIA card and use eSATA. It's much faster. Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Sorta OT - anyone replaced MSFT Sharepoint with any OSS products?
All - I have a friend who owns a small business and who uses Microsoft Office SharePoint Server (MOSS) 2007. As you might suspect, it's a car with the hood welded shut, and I hate it. I help him out with IT stuff and I've had to fight MOSS 2007 for some time. It is agonizingly painful, and it's a massive security risk as far as I'm concerned. I've heard that Alfresco can replace MOSS. Anyone got any experience with this kind of migration? Thanks Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to gut %$##@ Firefox?
On 08/02/2009 02:06 PM, Beartooth wrote: They make it incredibly tedious to get rid of all their miserable language-pack cruft -- and the minute you turn your back, they shove it all in again. Is there a way to prevent / disable that abominable practice? Or has the time come to admit that the blasted browser is not worth the trouble it takes? Is there a reasonably similar one without this disgusting practice? Seamonkey, maybe? Not minimizing your pain, but I don't understand the problem. The language packs are pretty small - all told they come out to about 17MB on my system. Even if you don't use them, then that's not a lot of disk space or network transfer volume. If you ever do need them, they're pretty nice to have. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sorta OT - anyone replaced MSFT Sharepoint with any OSS products?
On 08/02/2009 09:56 PM, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 21:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: All - I have a friend who owns a small business and who uses Microsoft Office SharePoint Server (MOSS) 2007. As you might suspect, it's a car with the hood welded shut, and I hate it. I help him out with IT stuff and I've had to fight MOSS 2007 for some time. It is agonizingly painful, and it's a massive security risk as far as I'm concerned. I've heard that Alfresco can replace MOSS. Anyone got any experience with this kind of migration? I have set up Alfresco but minimal experience with Sharepoint. Alfresco is pretty cool but I don't know about feature for feature comparisons...perhaps you can get that kind of thing from Alfresco's web site. Yeah, poked around a bit but I am not sure it's not using a screwdriver to drive a nail. Migration, you can just drag files into the java based smb server. OK, I'll dig into it. TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Front page like editor
On 08/02/2009 10:55 PM, Karim Adil wrote: Hi, Please give me the name of an HTML editor that does the same job as Front page in Fedora. Thank you I like the HTML editor in Seamonkey, it's called Seamonkey Composer. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Front page like editor
On 08/02/2009 11:29 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 08/02/2009 10:55 PM, Karim Adil wrote: Hi, Please give me the name of an HTML editor that does the same job as Front page in Fedora. Thank you I like the HTML editor in Seamonkey, it's called Seamonkey Composer. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Gah, forgot to mention that you can just do (as root): yum install seamonkey TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with Fire Fox
On 07/28/2009 01:52 AM, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Even after installing Adobe Macro Media plugin, firefox is not able to play .swf files properly. Audio is coming but no video. Same files are working in firefox on Windows XP. Can any body help me solving this problem? Thank you. Kishore Are you using a 64-bit version of Fedora or 32-bit? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 3G-device for fedora 11?
On 07/26/2009 12:22 AM, Joerg Bergmann wrote: Am 17.07.2009 15:15, schrieb David Timms: On 07/17/2009 08:24 PM, Joerg Bergmann wrote: I want to make my thinkpad T40 G3-enabled. It has a CardBus slot, USB is available too. Any suggestion for a fedora 11-friendly device? HSDPA/HSUPA should be possible. The couple of different ones I'v tried have pretty well just worked with network manager (Mobile Broadband|add). Eg: who are we (Huawei). So now my question again: I have testet a Novatel MC950D (vendor ID 4400, product ID 5010) and a Huawei E220/E270 (vendor ID 12d1, product ID 1003), checking Network Manager as well as the vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux GUI, and nothing of them worked in Fedora 11. So which device (product ID please) do you suggest??? Dunno if it's an option for you, but I use a Verizon PC5750 PCMCIA card and it Just Works(TM). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hardware recommendations for a 64bit kvm server?
On 07/23/2009 02:16 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, Suggestions on motherboards etc for running 2-4 virtual machines for general purpose uses (suppliers in Australia would be good!). Thanks, Phil. I'm using Intel G45ID motherboards for 8 servers in a lab at work. Checp, supports full virt (KVM) as well as Xen (we primarily use RHEL at work, not Fedora), they seem to be *very* fast, and they were a snap to set up. http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45ID/DG45ID-overview.htm We just happen to be running Intel E8500 (dual core, 3.16GHz) processors, but quad core are available for this board. We're running 8GB memory on each system. The lab is *very* popular on my team, the systems are quite snappy. Total cost for each system, including a 2U case and power supply as well as an extra GB NIC for bonding was around $800USD. Very affordable. Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 - unrant
On 06/28/2009 03:09 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: What I hate about going to a new version of Fedora is configuring all the media handling software. Well on my machine in F11 it was a breeze. I am running youtube videos, playing npr programs (which used to give me headaches) and have gotten CNN videos to work which used to be very difficult. I was amazed. Good job to the developers. Enthusiastic +1. F11 + RPMFusion has been essentially flawless for me on a number of systems. Click a link or a file, it prompts me to install any required packages, et voila! I'm watching videos and listening to music. Love it! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 for x86_64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Bridge wrote: It seems F11 has arrived, but only in 32 bit versions. Anyone cast any light on this? I am running F11 x86_64 - you using torrent or mirrors? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKLoCqmzle50YHwaARAgU5AJ485UyDIoHob227N6qAl66n7G3uCwCdFXLr k7G5pMUj7RruiemEwUWa83c= =Eyoi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 for x86_64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Bridge wrote: It seems F11 has arrived, but only in 32 bit versions. Anyone cast any light on this? Also see, for instance: http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKLoDJmzle50YHwaARAqMRAJ9tNRUu3rFmcFg7mFrydTsMkcLViwCgiLYG eDsh2JEvDrGAjfldYrbYr1g= =H/hr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wifi-radar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 François Patte wrote: Le 02/05/2009 20:12, Thomas Cameron a écrit : François Patte wrote: Bonsoir, I have just installed wifi-radar on my laptop bur it doesn't work because there is no wifi-radar.conf file This doesn't really address the original question, but why not just use NetworkManager? I use it on my laptop and it does a fantastic job of finding wireless networks. I disabled NetworkManager because it is the source of problems which took me hours to solve: I forced the host name of my laptop to avoid problems with Xsession. I explain: suppose you begin your session without any wifi, your X session belongs to john@localhost.localdomain. Then, for any reasons you can imagine, you need an Internet connection, the hostname change and you become john@.wifiprovider.net and X refuses to open graphical apps because the session belongs to john@localhost.localdomain Forcing the hostname in /etc/sysconfig/network avoids this problem. Now, when it writes the /etc/resolv.conf, NetworkManager writes: search yourdomain.fr (the one you have declared in /etc/sysconfig/network) and dns does not works.. Unless this strange/wrong behaviour of NetworkManager could be corrected, I never use this service. I use NM all the time, literally every day, and I've not seen this issue. My hostname is set in /etc/sysconfig/network and my /etc/hosts looks like this: 127.0.0.1 tct60.camerontech.com tct60 localhost.localdomain localhost Try that out and see if it clears up your problems? TC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ/k8omzle50YHwaARAiMjAKCfgJ7D76QsY8Ovx0H4x15SsXyFCgCggnU8 buRnI5vmNIYioMQT6CLKQFA= =4SuD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wifi-radar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 François Patte wrote: Bonsoir, I have just installed wifi-radar on my laptop bur it doesn't work because there is no wifi-radar.conf file This doesn't really address the original question, but why not just use NetworkManager? I use it on my laptop and it does a fantastic job of finding wireless networks. Much better than wifi-radar ever did. TC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ/I0Qmzle50YHwaARAtbCAKCHvOpsH02eplETEUtiAZa5IRazAwCgjdhj hhUaGk983tKZ+9nUotr/oLM= =RQYG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora compatible Headset recommendations?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Wolff III wrote: I am looking for recommendations for headsets that will work with Fedora without using propietary drivers (and prefer ones that are in the distro). My main concern is using them for voice communication. I will listen to music on them as well, but I am not a very discriminating music listener and would prefer less expensive to high fidelity. I was hoping to find some recommendations on the Fedora Talk page (perhaps in the FAQ), but didn't see anything there. Sorry for the late response to this, but I have to *rave* about the Logitech ClearChat Comfort USB™ headphones I picked up recently. They were pretty cheap - under $40. I use them extensively to record desktop videos with recordmydesktop, and I also use them daily for Skype calls. The sound quality is amazing for listening to music and the like, and the microphone seems to be very good. I am really impressed for being such cheap headphones. I didn't have to do anything - both RHEL 5 and Fedora 10 Just Work(TM). I did have to tell each OS which sound device to use, the sound card or the USB sound device, but that was a walk in the park. Thomas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJxtdamzle50YHwaARAgMXAJ9dfKzbWdCuGS5sLHrhKCb6JfOM4wCggv9v dNjPjFl87RthZI/2qxobAmA= =F9my -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Web cam recommendations?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Howdy - I travel a pretty fair amount - over 115 nights in hotels in 2008. I use Skype on Linux (both Fedora and RHEL) and I would love to be able to use the web cam feature so I can see my kids before they go to bed. Anyone got a known good web cam for this? I've never owned a web cam so this is completely new territory for me. - -- Thanks! Thomas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJoMWRmzle50YHwaARAsxnAJ9gQhS4hT+XRp3tLHKJuZOcDPTqqwCfQKPm ku5rls4beMiEfNv+Oe9J/TI= =3S0b -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Ogg video editor?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All - I am using recordmydesktop (love it, love it, loove it!) to do some desktop videos. My teammates and I have been trying to find a decent video editor for ogg files. Nothing fancy, I'm *not* a savvy video guy. Just want to splice some sections together and maybe snip out some um and uh stuff. Anyone got any suggestions? - -- Thanks! Thomas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJh7SRmzle50YHwaARAt7pAJ0ZjgNum4XzmL1TEwpCkDO2VRVVzACeK/l6 j5EJfdYyI1FRK9r/dukF8gw= =FlmS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: music download sites?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 24 January 2009 17:02:40 Thomas Cameron wrote: I've had long debates with some friends about downloading MP3s. For me, I wind up downloading MP3s for music I find interesting but not worth buying the CD for. So in my case, I can honestly say that the whole RIAA argument about musicians having lost revenue are complete bullshit. If I find an artist I *really* like, I will go and buy the CD. It's worth 15 cents a track to check out an artist I'm not familiar with. No way would I plunk down $12-$15 for the same CD. Artists lose revenue through illegal file-sharing. I would argue that. I am 100% certainly *not* going to buy a CD from an artist I don't know. So in my case, file sharing is actually much *more* likely to earn them a sale. If I can listen to a CD for a very low price (e.g. 15 cents/track at http://gomusic.ru or free via p2p) and then I like it, I go buy it. So the argument could be made that file-sharing is actually a win for the artists in my case. TC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJfm45mzle50YHwaARAlLiAJ0XInyBKzAenBdpsiloYAHscF7a2wCfVsgV N50sSnvZXn1lZ1tGtyt8+Oc= =Q3dS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: music download sites?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi all; anyone out there using one of the pay for music download sites? I'm wanting to find one that does not require windows or mac software to simply download the mp3 files, or other such stupidity. Suggestions ? Thanks in advance http://gomusic.ru According to their legal information page, they are legal in Russia. Whether that makes them legal to download from in your country, I have no idea. I have been using them for well over a year with no identity theft or security issues. Their tech support is lightning fast to respond, customer service is great, and MP3s are something like 15 cents/track when you buy by the album. I've had long debates with some friends about downloading MP3s. For me, I wind up downloading MP3s for music I find interesting but not worth buying the CD for. So in my case, I can honestly say that the whole RIAA argument about musicians having lost revenue are complete bullshit. If I find an artist I *really* like, I will go and buy the CD. It's worth 15 cents a track to check out an artist I'm not familiar with. No way would I plunk down $12-$15 for the same CD. Also, if you've not tried http://www.pandora.com, you really should. You plug in an artist or song you like and it finds similar music based on what the call the music genome. Things like beats per minute, vocal quality, syncopation and rhythm and so on. I've been introduced to a ton of new (to me) artists that I really like that way. TC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJe0mwmzle50YHwaARApgAAJ0TTM4RicD5TtsukPD7+VlPRc1F9gCgyiNz O9a12MCdIzEwtj7JqQFQxPE= =lfET -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Don Raikes wrote: Hi everyone, I have been watching this list for a while. The ati radeon video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so I am starting to look for a new video card, and am wondering which is the best for fedora 10. I will do most of my workin console mode ( run level 3), and some work in the gnome desktop. I am not a gamer of any sort, and do not plan on watching many (if any dvd's) on it. I just need basic video capabilities, and don't want ot spend a ton of money. Any suggestions appreciated. I use an NVidia GeForce 7300 GT card that lspci reports as: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7300 GT] (rev a1) I feel kinda dirty saying this, but I use the proprietary NVidia driver for it and I have been very impressed with it. I do dual head using the DVI and the VGA ports and it works great with a pair of ViewSonic 1440x900 LCD flat screens. Desktop effects and compiz-fusion do the cool wobbly window goodness. Very pretty. Using the open source driver, I've never been able to get dual head to work. Also, the open source driver doesn't seem to do accelerated 3D. I'm running RHEL 5 on this box right now but I go back and forth with Fedora depending on what I'm working on, and the NVidia driver works great with both. From what I typically see on the lists, NVidia cards with the proprietary driver typically work well. That is, if you don't have an overwhelming objection to using closed source drivers. -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Merry Christmas - Happy Hanukkah - Happy Kwanzaa - Happy Festivus!
Hey Fedora Community - For those of you who observe, I just want to say Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa and/or Happy Festivus as appropriate. :-) Whatever your beliefs, take this message in the spirit of peace, happiness and joy. May you be blessed in the holiday season and I hope you have a happy, healthy and successful new year. I'm very grateful to be a part of a community which is so smart and helpful. Thanks for having me. You really give me a lot of hope about the future. -- Yours, Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?
Ian Pilcher wrote: Mail Lists wrote: (1) Are the fedora KDE users moving back to gnome ? ... is KDE dead or alive ? I'm strongly considering it. Almost all of the applications that I use regularly are GTK-based anyway, and Red Hat and Fedora have always been more focused on GNOME than KDE, so it's hard to see any reason to continue with KDE now that the things that I like about it have been sacrificed on the altar of the KDE developers' grand vision. Good thing you're not bitter, eh? :-D I kid, I kid! TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: changing 'hosts' to get my machine name ?
William Case wrote: Hi; This is an old stupid question but I am stuck nonetheless. I have googled for several different ways but none work. I have changed my /etc/hosts file to: 127.0.0.1 CASE localhost.localdomain localhost This is the same as from my F9 /etc backup. CASE is the name of my machine. None of my programs seems to recognize it except 'hostname' -s or -f. The same problem with localhost.localdomain. I have changed it manually before in earlier Fedora versions but now nothing seems to work. If I remember correctly there where two files that needed changing. I just installed F10 and must have missed Anaconda asking for my machine name. Your hostname is set in /etc/sysconfig/network. /etc/hosts is only for name resolution, although you should prbably set your hostname there as well. You should use lower case for the hostname, some apps don't grok mixed or upper case. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SELinux alert when running yum update
Colin Paul Adams wrote: Thomas == Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Then try again by opening your browser and going to a page Thomas that caused errors before. If it still doesn't work you I don't know of a page that caused errors before. Thomas Eh? What were you doing when you got the SELinux denial Thomas before? Can you do it again? I don't know what I was doing at the time. I certainly wasn't having any trouble with FireFox. Thomas Did you look at the npviewer.te file? Is there anything Thomas in it? There is no such file on my system (according to the locate command). OK, I'm reading your initial post - you got an SELinux alert about npviewer.bin, right? See this message: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-November/msg02919.html npviewer.bin is a Firefox plugin for Adobe Flash. So I talked about how to set a policy to allow npviewer.bin to run. Specifically I said to run this command: grep npviewer.bin /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -a -M npviewer Then I said to check the contents of npviewer.te. See this post: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-November/msg02951.html Apparently you did not check for that file. Additionally, what you describe in the subject vs. what you are seeing in audit.log doesn't match. The output from sealert clearly describes a problem with npviewer.bin, the Adobe plugin. Why don't you go back over your audit.log and find the actual problem you are having and then re-post, I'd be glad to help out if I can. -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox opening broken links when clicking on a link in Thunderbird
Jim wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: All - I'm running F10 x86_64, up to date as of today. My home directory is on NFS, and my .mozilla directory is the same one I've used on RHEL 5 and F9. When I click on a URL in an e-mail message in Thunderbird, it opens wrong. For instance, I get an e-mail with the link http://www.yearone.com/images/email/c146/turkeydayemail.html and I click on it. Firefox opens up file:///images/email/c146/turkeydayemail.html and throws a File Not Found error. It seems that the web site is being trimmed for some reason. Anyone seen this before? Know how to fix it? Yes in i386 also. Some websites like linuxtoday.com an lxer.com comes back with Server can't be found. I can connect to yahoo.com, redhat.com. If I goto to my FC8 box I have no problems of connecting to all websites. I have read on Google Search that probly having problems with IPV6 . There is a Bug report at bugziila.redhat.com. It's definitely not ipv6, I have it disabled on this system. What is the BZ number? TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox opening broken links when clicking on a link in Thunderbird
All - I'm running F10 x86_64, up to date as of today. My home directory is on NFS, and my .mozilla directory is the same one I've used on RHEL 5 and F9. When I click on a URL in an e-mail message in Thunderbird, it opens wrong. For instance, I get an e-mail with the link http://www.yearone.com/images/email/c146/turkeydayemail.html and I click on it. Firefox opens up file:///images/email/c146/turkeydayemail.html and throws a File Not Found error. It seems that the web site is being trimmed for some reason. Anyone seen this before? Know how to fix it? -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SELinux alert when running yum update
Colin Paul Adams wrote: Thomas == Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can do a couple of things. First, it's probably not a bad idea to Thomas run these commands as root: Thomas restorecon -vR /home restorecon -vR /usr OK. I've done that. Thomas Then try again by opening your browser and going to a page Thomas that caused errors before. If it still doesn't work you I don't know of a page that caused errors before. Eh? What were you doing when you got the SELinux denial before? Can you do it again? Thomas can use audit2allow to create a policy. I set up all my Thomas policies in a directory called /root/selinux. So as root, Thomas do this: Thomas mkdir selinux cd selinux setenforce 0 # open your web I did that too. Thomas browser and go to a page with the plugin grep npviewer.bin Thomas /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -a -M npviewer # Thomas review npviewer.te so make sure it looks right. I don't know what a page with the plugin is. Probably a flash based page. Thomas semodule -i npviewer.pp setenforce 1 semodule: Could not read file 'npviewer.pp': No such file or directory Did you look at the npviewer.te file? Is there anything in it? TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Mirroring Fedora
Howdy - I mirror Fedora 10 to my home server, and it eats up a *lot* of space. It's not a big deal, I've got 500GiB drives in my file server but I'm interested in keeping it as small as possible. Currently I use these commands in a script in cron.daily to mirror: echo Fedora 10 Updates echo rsync -va --exclude=debug --numeric-ids --delete --delete-after \ rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/10/i386 \ /var/www/html/pub/fedora/updates/10/i386/ echo Fedora 10 Updates echo until rsync -va --exclude=debug --numeric-ids --delete --delete-after \ rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/10/x86_64/ \ /var/www/html/pub/fedora/updates/10/x86_64/ The thing is, F10 is taking up like 50GiB of disk space between the install media, Everything and updates. I know that there are a ton of duplicate files between the i386 and the x86_64 directories. Is there an easy way to do something like hard link duplicate files or maybe a better way to rsync so that duplicate files are considered? Thanks! Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SELinux alert when running yum update
Colin Paul Adams wrote:
After upgrading my system from F9 to F10 I ran a yum update.
The following occurred:
Summary:
SELinux is preventing npviewer.bin (nsplugin_t) search to ./.fontconfig
(unlabeled_t).
Detailed Description:
SELinux denied access requested by npviewer.bin. It is not expected that this
access is required by npviewer.bin and this access may signal an intrusion
attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration of the
application is causing it to require additional access.
Allowing Access:
Sometimes labeling problems can cause SELinux denials. You could try to restore
the default system file context for ./.fontconfig,
restorecon -v './.fontconfig'
If this does not work, there is currently no automatic way to allow this access.
Instead, you can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ
(http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can disable
SELinux protection altogether. Disabling SELinux protection is not recommended.
Please file a bug report (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi)
against this package.
Additional Information:
Source Contextunconfined_u:unconfined_r:nsplugin_t:s0-s0:c0.c102
3
Target Contextsystem_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0
Target Objects./.fontconfig [ dir ]
Sourcenpviewer.bin
Source Path /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/npviewer.bin
Port Unknown
Host susannah.colina.demon.co.uk
Source RPM Packages nspluginwrapper-1.1.2-4.fc10
Target RPM Packages
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.5.13-18.fc10
Selinux Enabled True
Policy Type targeted
MLS Enabled True
Enforcing ModeEnforcing
Plugin Name catchall_file
Host Name susannah.colina.demon.co.uk
Platform Linux susannah.colina.demon.co.uk
2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 18
11:58:53 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64
Alert Count 37
First SeenSat 29 Nov 2008 15:33:18 GMT
Last Seen Sat 29 Nov 2008 15:33:28 GMT
Local ID 925c2472-2846-47c2-96f9-bccaadb1aaef
Line Numbers
Raw Audit Messages
node=susannah.colina.demon.co.uk type=AVC msg=audit(1227972808.92:117): avc: denied { search }
for pid=3733 comm=npviewer.bin name=.fontconfig dev=dm-1 ino=19301092
scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:nsplugin_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=system_u:object_r:unlabeled_t:s0 tclass=dir
node=susannah.colina.demon.co.uk type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1227972808.92:117): arch=4003 syscall=5
per=8 success=no exit=-13 a0=87d4d48 a1=0 a2=a5517200 a3= items=0 ppid=3588 pid=3733
auid=501 uid=501 gid=501 euid=501 suid=501 fsuid=501 egid=501 sgid=501 fsgid=501 tty=(none) ses=1
comm=npviewer.bin exe=/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/npviewer.bin
subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:nsplugin_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)
And if I try to raise tyhe bug I get:
ERROR
The requested URL could not be retrieved
You can do a couple of things. First, it's probably not a bad idea to
run these commands as root:
restorecon -vR /home
restorecon -vR /usr
Then try again by opening your browser and going to a page that caused
errors before. If it still doesn't work you can use audit2allow to
create a policy. I set up all my policies in a directory called
/root/selinux. So as root, do this:
mkdir selinux
cd selinux
setenforce 0
# open your web browser and go to a page with the plugin
grep npviewer.bin /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -a -M npviewer
# review npviewer.te so make sure it looks right.
semodule -i npviewer.pp
setenforce 1
# open your browser to see if the plugin works now
Hope this helps!
--
Thomas
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Re: Mirroring Fedora
Todd Zullinger wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: I know that there are a ton of duplicate files between the i386 and the x86_64 directories. Is there an easy way to do something like hard link duplicate files or maybe a better way to rsync so that duplicate files are considered? There is a -H option for rsync, to make it preserve hardlinks. This and other useful tips for mirroring are at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring Running hardlink on your mirror can also help (and is also mentioned at the URL above). Hrm - I added that and reran the sync but since each rsync job is separate, it isn't hardlinking between the directories. I think I need to mess around with the rsycn command so that it encompasses both the i386 and the x86_64 directories in on sync. Off to play with the syntax, I guess. -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to count nfs clients attached to my server?
Skunk Worx wrote: Is there a way, on a server, to discover how many clients are currently attached to a NFS file share? I'd like to be able to see a list of the clients that have my NFS share mounted. It's my understanding /usr/sbin/exportfs gives a list but it is not reliable as it depends on clients un-mounting the share properly. I suppose the nature of NFS makes it impossible to maintain/calculate an accurate client list, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Have a look at /var/lib/nfs/rmtab and other files in /var/lib/nfs/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sorta OT - way to make Thunderbird set *all* folders to threaded view?
On 2008-11-07 04:18, Thomas Cameron wrote: Is there a way to make Thunderbird view all folders threaded by default? Anything, an advanced setting or a plugin, would be great. The Google gods are not forthcoming. :-( And no, I am not looking for the numerous articles on keeping in threaded view when you re-sort. I want everything in threaded view by default for all folders. The Google gods are very forthcoming if you know what to look for. ;-) The preference mailnews.default_sort_type governs the default sort type for thunderbird. You probably want to set the value to 22. See e.g. http://xulplanet.com/references/xpcomref/ifaces/nsMsgViewSortType.html. Thanks, that did it! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Sorta OT - way to make Thunderbird set *all* folders to threaded view?
Howdy - I have messed around with all the settings I can find to no avail. I use IMAP so all my messages are on the server in a metric buttload of folders (well over 100). I check mail from numerous systems, many of which get rebuilt regularly. It is a royal PITA to have to go through every time I run Thunderbird the first time on a new system to have to tell it to view by threads. For. Every. Single. Folder. Is there a way to make Thunderbird view all folders threaded by default? Anything, an advanced setting or a plugin, would be great. The Google gods are not forthcoming. :-( And no, I am not looking for the numerous articles on keeping in threaded view when you re-sort. I want everything in threaded view by default for all folders. -- Thanks! TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: URL of fedora-list archive
Dave Feustel wrote: What is the URL of the fedora-list email archive? Thanks. For future reference, it's in the headers of each e-mail from the list. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/ Hope this helps! TC signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Backup home dirs on F9
Tom Diehl wrote: Hi, I am having a problem backing up my homedir on my F9 box. When the backup software tries to read the .gvfs file system as root the software complains that it cannot read it. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534284 says that this broken behavior is deliberate and will not be fixed. So the question is, how are we supposed to backup the homedirs? I never logout of this machine or reboot it unless I need to upgrade the kernel. I know I can umount the .gvfs filesystem and the backups will complete without a problem but I cannot find any documents stating how to remount the .gvfs filesystem without logging out or even if it is necessary to remount it. Can anyone shed some light on this? This behavior is annoying at best. Regards, Just skip it? tar and other archive programs have an exclude argument that can be used. Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Backup home dirs on F9
Tom Diehl wrote: Hi, I am having a problem backing up my homedir on my F9 box. When the backup software tries to read the .gvfs file system as root the software complains that it cannot read it. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534284 says that this broken behavior is deliberate and will not be fixed. So the question is, how are we supposed to backup the homedirs? I never logout of this machine or reboot it unless I need to upgrade the kernel. I know I can umount the .gvfs filesystem and the backups will complete without a problem but I cannot find any documents stating how to remount the .gvfs filesystem without logging out or even if it is necessary to remount it. Can anyone shed some light on this? This behavior is annoying at best. Regards, Sorry to reply again. Also, in the case of tar, you can do --ignore-failed-read so that tar will continue without bailing. Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't remove old RPM
Jim wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 18:39 -0400, Jim wrote: So how do I get rid avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386 that supposedly not even installed. rpm -q avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386 to see if it's there, then rpm -e avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386 If your RPM database is corrupt, you might want to do rpm --rebuilddb. poc I did a below, but had to do a --nodeps to prevent from losing many packages and lockup my box. # rpm -e --nodeps avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386 error reading information on service avahi-dnsconfd: No such file or directory error: %preun(avahi-0.6.17-1.fc7.i386) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 use --noscripts signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: IPV6INIT=no, but does anyway on local network
Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; In /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-eth0 I have the line as in the subject, but I note that bringing up eth0, at a fixed ipv4 address in the 192.168 block, there is about a 5 second pause doing it, and ifconfig does report what looks like valid ipv6 addresses for both eth0 and lo. eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1F:C6:62:FC:BB inet addr:192.168.71.3 Bcast:192.168.71.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::21f:c6ff:fe62:fcbb/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:52899 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:45100 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:34184438 (32.6 MiB) TX bytes:26737247 (25.4 MiB) Interrupt:22 Base address:0xa000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:6888 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6888 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:16987249 (16.2 MiB) TX bytes:16987249 (16.2 MiB) How does one go about disabling that? What happens if you add: install ipv6 /bin/true to /etc/modprobe.conf? Forgive me if that doesn't work, I don't have a Fedora box to play with at the moment, only RHEL 5. TC signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ello, I'm sort of new to the lists...is it best to install from livecd?
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 08:50 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote: Ah ok, does anyone know of any plans for for the partitioner to be overhauled at some point? Why? It works fine as it is. You can do standard ext2/3 partitions, LVM and/or RAID from the UI. What else do you want it to do? Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ello, I'm sort of new to the lists...is it best to install from livecd?
Travis Arnold wrote: Erm I've been using ubuntu recently but would like to use fedora, but am not sure how to install, is it best to use live cd, or the dvd install medium? Either one should work, the DVD route is nice because all of the packages are right there. LiveCD can require that you install a lot of stuff over your Internet connection. Also how can I have a seperate home directory? the LVM section in the partitioning menu scared me off, I still have the live cd downloaded, but not the dvd, shall I just download that instead? You'll be faced with the same choices via LiveCD install or DVD install. LVM is just a way of carving up your partitions into logical volumes (think sub-partitions, sort of). Me personally, I don't really use LVM that much, I just create the first partition of 100 megs mounted on /boot, a second partition of about a gig mounted as swap, a third and partition of 8GB mounted as / and a fourth large-ish partition mounted as /home. This is not the One True Partitioning Scheme by any stretch. This is only what I like to do on my workstation. For a server that is almost definitely not a good partitioning scheme. Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: just got a Qube 2
Mick M. wrote: Hi; I bought a Cobalt Qube 2 locally yesterday. I saw some posts in my searches of RH 5.1 on this, but dead links. This has the mips cpu. Ancient appliance, very slow, no recent Red Hat distro available for it that I know of. Anyone done it? Not recently. Any advice? Throw it away. :-/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ello, I'm sort of new to the lists...is it best to install from livecd?
On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:18 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 08:49 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote: Erm I've been using ubuntu recently but would like to use fedora, but am not sure how to install, is it best to use live cd, or the dvd install medium? Also how can I have a seperate home directory? the LVM section in the partitioning menu scared me off, I still have the live cd downloaded, but not the dvd, shall I just download that instead? Thank you Travis If you use the dvd approach, just before you are going to partition using the GUI that installes LVM do this: 1. type: ctl-alt-F2 - which will take you toa terminal. 2. execute : fdisk /dev/sdx - x is a, b.etc depending on your disks 3. Partition your disk. 4. type: ctl-alt-f7 (it may be f6 or f8) which will take you back to the installer. 5, Continue installation without LVM. That is actually a lot more complex than it needs to be. Totally accurate from a technical standpoint, but you can do the same thing in the graphical installer by just choosing the let me do my own partitioning choice. TC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Permission Denied error for root user when perms are 0775?
R. G. Newbury wrote: Weird problem. I downloaded an svn version of mythtv, cd'd to the folder, and tried to run './configure --help', Got a 'Permission Denied' error. I am root and the permissions were and are 0775...chmod changes nothing, even trying 0777. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? The directory is on a 'rw' partition, since I just downloaded to it, using a script. But the configure script itself will not run. I changed the first line from: #!/bin/shto #!/bin/bash no change. And bash *is* in /bin and executable, owned by root. I'm stumped What is the partition? Is it a remote drive mounted locally? Is it a USB drive - they are typically mounted noexec? What does /bin/mount tell you? Could it be an SELinux denial? What does /var/log/audit/audit.log tell you? Anything in /var/log/messages? -- Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?
Anders Karlsson wrote: * Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080823 18:57]: Rahul Sundaram quoted Paul W. Frields: [snip] Disclosure at an inappropriate time gives people the mistaken impression one is not being truthful, when that's not the case. The first announcement gave me the impression that there was a technical problem, such as overloaded web servers or a crashed database or something. In retrospect it's obvious that when that announcement was written they already knew or at least suspected that there had been an intrusion. This gives me the impression that Paul W. Frields was not being truthful. He lied by telling half the truth. That is a pretty strong statement to make. Not telling everything does not equate lying - especially when what you are telling (or can tell) is true. And if all you have is an impression that he is not truthful, you conceed that you have no evidence to the contrary as well. I think you owe Paul Frields an apology. It'll never happen, although I agree completely that it's due. The nay-sayers and gloom-speakers on this list are *much* more interested in bitching and moaning about how things have been handled wrong and they've been treated badly than actually being good members of the community. It makes me sick when I see this spew, and I want to (virtually) throttle these jackasses. [snip] As I stated in the announcement, I'll continue to provide information as it becomes available. Did it really take a week before the information that the issue was related to security became available? I think you ought to read the book The Cuckoo's Egg by Clifford Stoll. Once you have read it and understood it, feel free to comment again on the issue at hand here. See, there's the thing - the ones who bitch the loudest are usually the ones who understand the least. To actually encourage them to remedy their ignorance is just a waste of electrons. They seem to be happy in their wallow. -- Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: non-disclosure of infrastructure problem a management issue?
Björn Persson wrote: max wrote: You had no idea there was a security issue? It was the first thing to cross my mind when I first saw the announcement. What else could it have been? Why else the cryptic message? You're lucky to be that paranoid. Many people would call me paranoid if they knew what kind of security measures I take with my home computers, but apparently I'm not paranoid enough yet. Can you answer the opposite question: Why the cryptic message? Can you think of a rational reason to avoid the word security? Something more concrete than just legal issues? The whole point is that no one on this list except possibly Red Hat employees or Fedora board members can answer that. These are not stupid people. These are not dishonest people. They're not devious folks. These are the same folks from whom you consume a distribution, people who devote their careers to making OSS, specifically Fedora, work as well as it does. They do a really hard, mostly thankless job. Recovery from a security is *very* hard work. You need to determine the attack vector, the extent of the breach, remediate the breach, rebuild damaged servers, restore data and services, notify anyone whose information might have been compromised, forensically analyze the systems, etc., etc., etc. All while trying to preserve any evidence which might be needed by any law enforcement agencies which have been involved. Oh, and until the full extent of the breach is determined, it is foolish and irresponsible to announce anything about that breach. Had Paul said Hey all, we've gotten hacked and we don't know how badly or how they got in or what the damage is he'd have been eaten alive, and rightly so. Instead he took a very reasonable approach, apparently disclosed as much as he could at the time, and warned folks as soon as he could to not trust updates. But here you come from the outside and publicly call the head of the project a liar when you *clearly* do not have all the information. What arrogance. Congratulations, you've just landed at the top of the Asshole of the Year list. Welcome to my killfile, Björn. -- Thomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Sorta OT - Cheap certificate authority?
Hey All - I am setting up a project for a buddy on a shoe-string budget and we need a site protected by SSL. Self-signed won't cut it. I looked at Verisign and to get a basic SSL cert from them is going to cost more than the whole hardware budget for the project! Anyone have any recommendations for a cheap CA? Is there such a thing? To put this on-topic, it will be hosted on a Fedora box. :-) Cheers! Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Sorta OT - Cheap certificate authority?
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 13:48 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 12:34:27 -0500, Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey All - I am setting up a project for a buddy on a shoe-string budget and we need a site protected by SSL. Self-signed won't cut it. I looked at Why not? If you are interested in protection for the communications rather than being involved with Verisign's protection racket then a self signed certificate will work just fine. If you are worried about the latter, check the list of CAs included by default in the browsers you expect your visitors to be using and check out their prices. Because perception==reality. It will be publicly facing, and that whole Firefox will not allow you to access this site without accepting that this is an untrusted CA thing is off-putting for most members of the general public. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Sorta OT - Cheap certificate authority?
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 16:19 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:27:19 -0500 Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because perception==reality. It will be publicly facing, and that whole Firefox will not allow you to access this site without accepting that this is an untrusted CA thing is off-putting for most members of the general public. In that case be careful if you have any opensuse users of the site. Depending on what software they are using there are at least three (maybe more) SSL libs shipped in opensuse and each one of them has a separate and disjoint set of root certificates (what fun), so you might be able to access it with firefox, but not curl, or openssl, etc. The user base will be Windows users, but thanks. That's good to know. Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to recover root password
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 19:34 -0400, Ricky wrote: Hi, I had a root passwd which was so secure that even i cannot remember it now, lol! Can Someone help as to how i can recover it??? Any suggestions??? Reboot the box, at the grub splash screen hit any key to halt the countdown. Choose the kernel you want to boot to using the arrow keys, and once it is highlighted, hit a to append to the kernel line. Once you see something like: grub append ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet Just add the word single to the end so it looks like this: grub append ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet single Hit enter and you will go to single user mode. Once you are there, type: passwd and hit enter. Set root's new password, and type: exit You will boot up with a new root password. -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 04:35 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: The OSS movement cares about popularity and convenience, so an esential part of this movement is to accept, endorse and promote the use of software that denies users their freedoms, when that is convenient and can lure in more users. That is complete and utter CRAP. http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd clearly contradicts that. From http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html: Freedom 0 is the freedom to run the program, for any purpose. Freedom 1 is the freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. Freedom 2 is the freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor. Freedom 3 is the freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. Those same freedoms are protected by opensource.org's requirements. While there is not a one-to-one mapping, FSF's freedom 0 is covered by OSI's rules 1, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10. FSF's freedom 1 is covered by OSI's rules 2, 3 and 4. FSF's freedom 2 is covered by OSI's rules 2,3 and 4. FSF'd freedom 3 is covered by at least OSI's rule 3. Don't take my word for it, read it yourself: 1. Free Redistribution The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale. 2. Source Code The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Where some form of a product is not distributed with source code, there must be a well-publicized means of obtaining the source code for no more than a reasonable reproduction cost preferably, downloading via the Internet without charge. The source code must be the preferred form in which a programmer would modify the program. Deliberately obfuscated source code is not allowed. Intermediate forms such as the output of a preprocessor or translator are not allowed. 3. Derived Works The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software. 4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of patch files with the source code for the purpose of modifying the program at build time. The license must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software. 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research. 7. Distribution of License The rights attached to the program must apply to all to whom the program is redistributed without the need for execution of an additional license by those parties. 8. License Must Not Be Specific to a Product The rights attached to the program must not depend on the program's being part of a particular software distribution. If the program is extracted from that distribution and used or distributed within the terms of the program's license, all parties to whom the program is redistributed should have the same rights as those that are granted in conjunction with the original software distribution. 9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software The license must not place restrictions on other software that is distributed along with the licensed software. For example, the license must not insist that all other programs distributed on the same medium must be open-source software. 10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface. Open Source software as defined opensource.org clearly also meets the requirements of the four freedoms that the FSF espouses. I swear, this reminds me of the Sunni and the Shi'a or the Catholics and the Protestants. Each pair believes in fundamentally the same thing but the extremists in each group is convinced the other is damned and should be fought. It's ludicrous. It is damaging, and it's counter-productive. -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 - Error in xine installation failure
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:50 -0700, Barry wrote: At the end of Xine installation got messages below; Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/eu/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/sk/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/man/man5/xine.5.gz from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 Error Summary As a result the Xine installation failed. Do you have multiple repositories enabled? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 02:00 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 19, 2008, Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre, I've watched you tilting at this windmill for months. It's just silly. Someone else called the demand for the FSF folks to call it GNU/Linux childish. I didn't really think so until I skimmed through the rest of the thread. There appears to be some confusion here. There's nobody from the FSF participating in this thread. FSFLA, then. I've never denigrated or minimized GNU's participation in the success of the Linux operating system, or any other operating systems. My point is that GNU is only a *part* of that success. There are other projects which have been as or more important in that success. Look at Apache and Sendmail and BIND. Apache, sendmail, bind and linux are not operating systems. They have never been. I've never said they were. You are AGAIN intentionally missing the point and sidestepping. They are part of a DISTRIBUTION. Let me try to write this in small words so you can understand it. I am talking about what most folks call Linux, a Linux distribution. That people made this silly and childish mistake of renaming the GNU operating system to Linux is unfair *and* it works against the very evangelization you claim to support. Nevertheless, you use such denigrating terms to our movement as Linux operating system and F/OSS. One gets to wonder whether we are indeed working for the same social, ethical and moral goals. Apparently not. I am about getting Free and Open Source Software adopted in the mainstream, and thereby growing the community. As far as I'm concerned, I am working towards increasing freedom. We're both working for the same thing, but you have such an incredibly narrow view that you will apparently accept no pragmatism. Those are the services which got Linux in the back door in the enterprise. And where would have Linux been if it wasn't running under the GNU operating system? /me rolls his eyes. I've already conceded that point. Why are you arguing in circles? I'm the first one to admit that without the GNU c compiler and c libraries, That's just a small part of the GNU operating system. Linux uses far more than that from it. And Linux (as in a typical Linux distro) uses far more of other projects' code than it uses of GNU. Therefore, to my original point (which you are ignoring), it makes no sense to call a Linux distro GNU/Linux. No more than calling it a Sendmail/Linux or Apache/Linux. All of those projects contributed to the success of Linux. *all* of them came together for the success of what the vast majority of the community and the industry calls Linux. So? The vast majority of computer users run non-Free Software, and even has it as part or, in some cases, all of their operating system. Even when it's GNU/Linux. Who's afraid of trying to change the world for the better? ROFLMAO - dude, seriously, read what I'm writing. I'm talking about the call for Linux to be called GNU/Linux. No more, no less. Look at it from the outside, Alexandre. There are many who feel that the FSF's demand for everyone to pay homage by calling it GNU/Linux is just an attempt to steal the glory of Linus's success. *If* that was the case, it would just be returning the alleged glory to the project that most deserved it. The people who most strongly oppose this correction are precisely those who stole the glory of GNU's success. Um, hold on a sec, there. Stole? To steal typically means to have the intent to deprive another of property. I've been using Linux since 1995, and I've never, ever seen anyone in the Linux community indicate that they intended to deprive GNU of any property or even credit for all they've done. That the Linux kernel was what accelerated F/OSS popularity was happenstance mixed with cool code. That the general public saw Linux distributions rise up in popularity and they chose to call them Linux instead of GNU/Linux is not theft, it's just the way things shook out. Accusations of theft are pretty serious. I don't buy it at all. But that's not the case. The case at hand is that by rejecting the idea of mentioning GNU, a very different set of values is promoted. And this set of values denigrates our movement, works against our movement, and makes our task, that was already difficult, even more difficult. Pretending it doesn't, waving it off as childish, that's what's ridiculous. And offensive. And disrespectful. Please don't do that. Ah, OK, I get it now. Yours is the One True Way, and everyone else is heretical. Extremism in any form is bad. You're being extremist here, sorry, no other way to call it. It hurts the FSF *much* more than it helps. The goal is not to promote the FSF. If it hurts the FSF, too bad. The goal is to promote software freedom, to generate awareness about this issue, and about how
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:18 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The core of the distribution is the kernel, called Linux. What about GNU *core*utils? :-P :-D And then, again, what if you remove Linux, install kFreeBSD or OpenSolaris in its stead, rebuild glibc to export the same ABI but use the system calls of the new kernel, and reboot? How come that would still be Linux? Do you mean core as in the core of an apple, as in, that part pretty much nobody is interested in, but without which apples would have a harder time reproducing? :-) BTW, would you call an apple a seed, just because it has seeds in its core? Alexandre, I've watched you tilting at this windmill for months. It's just silly. Someone else called the demand for the FSF folks to call it GNU/Linux childish. I didn't really think so until I skimmed through the rest of the thread. Now I start to understand why that term was used. I've never denigrated or minimized GNU's participation in the success of the Linux operating system, or any other operating systems. No doubt, the GNU bits are of critical import. But that's not why I commented on this thread. My point is that GNU is only a *part* of that success. There are other projects which have been as or more important in that success. Look at Apache and Sendmail and BIND. By your logic, it could very well be argued that it should be called Sendmail/Linux or Apache/Linux or BIND/Linux, as using Linux servers for mail and web DNS services was the bread and butter for Linux for a lot of years. Those are the services which got Linux in the back door in the enterprise. I'm the first one to admit that without the GNU c compiler and c libraries, those would not have been as easily done, but *all* of them came together for the success of what the vast majority of the community and the industry calls Linux. Look at it from the outside, Alexandre. There are many who feel that the FSF's demand for everyone to pay homage by calling it GNU/Linux is just an attempt to steal the glory of Linus's success. Seriously - we all get it. GNU kicks ass, no doubt of that at all. I am eternally grateful for the GPL, warts and all. I am in awe of what the FSF has done, and I am max aware that GNU was an essential part of the success of F/OSS including Linux. I admire your passion, I'm very passionate about Linux and I evangelize like crazy in my little corner of the world. But this stooping to demanding that everyone change their vernacular *is* childish. It hurts the FSF *much* more than it helps. It reinforces the impression that FSF folks are fanatics, which does not help your cause at all. Let it go, man. Just relax, enjoy the incredible success you've had, focus all the energy you are wasting in this silly argument on making the compiler better. Nothing will gain the FSF more respect and acceptance than continued success. Please continue to evangelize Free Software, I am totally on board with helping you out. But please quit making this ridiculous argument. Cheers, Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 16:26 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 02:48 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Personally, I think the demand by Stallman, and others to call Linux 'GNU/Linux' is just stupid and childish. What exactly is it that you don't want to call GNU/Linux? What pieces of software does it contain? Is Udev part of what you call Linux? udev is not a GNU project. Is Yum part of what you call Linux? Yum is not a GNU project. Is Apache HTTPD part of what you call Linux? Apache is not a GNU project. Is Sylpheed part of what you call Linux? Sylpheed is not a GNU project. The reality is that a modern Linux distribution contains code from the *BSD projects, from the Apache project, from ISC, and from a ton of other projects and groups. Should we call it GNU/Apache/BSD/Kitchen Sink/Linux? That's just silly. The core of the distribution *The* distribution? Which one? Mark Haney's post didn't talk about any particular distribution, but this is the Fedora list after all so I'll assume that you meant Fedora. Nope, you're intentionally missing the point. I'm talking about Linux as a Linux distribution in very generic terms. Whether it's Fedora, Ubuntu, Slackware, whatever. is the kernel, called Linux. It is perfectly fair and reasonable to call it plain old Linux. Although you didn't really answer my questions, your argumentation implies that you consider Udev, Yum, Sylpheed and the entire Apache project parts of Linux, but not Kylix apparently. Sure, they are all part of a Linux distribution. That is not to say they can't also be part of some other OS. You also seem to equate Fedora with Linux. I won't assume without further evidence that you're a bigot Inflammatory language like this does *not* make someone more likely to agree with you. who thinks Fedora is the One True Distribution, so you probably consider Debian, Gentoo and others different versions of Linux or something like that. Of course. I guess your idea of Linux is all software that is included in at least one distribution based on the kernel Linux – a bit narrower than Joe Klemmer's concept of all software that can run in a Unix-like environment. No, the current most common use of the term Linux really talks more about a Linux distribution with all the associated applications. Many if not most of those apps have zero relationship to the GNU project. *That's* my point. For the FSF folks to claim that we should all change our vernacular to call it GNU/Linux is no more appropriate than the Sendmail folks demanding we call it Sendmail/Linux. Seeing how you point out that Yum, Apache and Sylpheed aren't GNU projects, yet consider them parts of Linux, it seems like you think they're subprojects of Linus Torvalds' Linux project and are distributed by Linus and his team. Surely you know that's not the case, but if they can be parts of Linux without being Linux projects, then I don't understand why they couldn't be parts of GNU/Linux without being GNU projects. Nice try, but that's neither what I said *or* implied. You are stretching what I said into something on another planet. There is software from a *ton* of projects included in a typical Linux distro. For the FSF folks to claim that we should all bow down to the mighty FSF and change our vernacular is the height of hubris. FSF/GNU was heavily involved in the success of Linux, to be sure. But so were Sendmail, the Apache project, ISC and countless others. You don't see them making asinine demands that we go around calling it Sendmail/Linux or Apache/Linux, do you? I don't really get riled up at the folks who write it as GNU/Linux, but I think they are being silly, and not attributing all the other fine projects which have contributed code. I agree that it would be silly to talk about all of Fedora as GNU/Linux, because it contains so much more than just GNU and Linux. I suppose that's why it's called Fedora. It follows of course that it would be even more silly to call Fedora Linux, because Linux is an even smaller part of Fedora than GNU/Linux is. I don't think anyone on this list is claiming that Fedora == Linux. I think what has been said over and over is that Fedora is a Linux distribution. The vast majority of the community and the industry calls Linux distributions just plain old Linux. It's easy, it makes sense, everyone knows what is being said. My objection is *not* to giving all due credit to the FSF/GNU. As indicated in an earlier post, I am incredibly grateful to the FSF and all the work they've done. I am very familiar with the story of the incomplete OS called GNU and the little kernel that Linus came up with that fit so nicely with GNU. But to demand that we go around calling it GNU/Linux to the exclusion of the countless other projects which made Linux so
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 11:03 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: ZFS was included in FreeBSD 7.0 because the BSD license is more free than the GPL with that regard. And if NetApp win against Sun they can sue FreeBSD now, for triple damages which would be millions and the end of FreeBSD. That is a big IF, maybe it should be an iff (IF and ONLY IF) like in Mathematics. :) A big if but rather a nasty consequence, and unlike FreeBSD the Linux companies have enough money that people do try lawsuits. They(FreeBSD) should be protected, the users can get the ports from source, they do not ship binaries(except the installation *.tbz files). That makes no difference to US patent law. # fsck US Patent law fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard you say yet. It is the height of head in the sand syndrome. To just blithely say screw the law of the land where the company which arguably does more for Free/Open Source Software is based is just, well, childish. I, too, hate the patent system here. I agree that the it needs to be torn down. But to spit in the eye of the government of *any* company is just stupid. Sun Microsystems encouraged the ZFS port to FreeBSD, and yes they placed the patents in place, now if they encouraged the port to FreeBSD(since BSDs* are more relaxed than GPL), they should protect FreeBSD. If not, like you say (FreeBSD should get rid of it and protect themselves much like Fedora protects itself from these cr*ppy patents and lawuits :) It's easy for you to say that sun *should* do this or that. You gonna pony up the bucks if someone like the FreeBSD group gets sued, though? Cause nothing says that Sun *has* to. Your wishes and suppositions != fact. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:56 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: That makes no difference to US patent law. # fsck US Patent law fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard you say yet. It is the height of head in the sand syndrome. It is because of patents that many users out there do not have things easier :) The big guys get lots of break, while many little guys get sued. If many patents died soon the world would be a better place for all of us. No argument at all. I hate software patents. But to claim that you're just going to ignore them and plow ahead, that's ridiculous. To just blithely say screw the law of the land where the company which arguably does more for Free/Open Source Software is based is just, well, childish. I wish I had more faith in the US court system, but it sells itself to the people with money and if you are poor, you end up paying for it. I have not had good experiences with the Courts system :( The lies are the ones that are accepted as facts and they say that you are innocent till proven guilty, but it is the other way around you are guilty, till proven innocent. The US court system is horribly broken, no doubt about it. But when a government system gets broken like that, it is up to the people to apply pressure to the government. It does not work quickly, but it does work. The pendulum swings back and forth. Right now, it is way over in the region where the patent system is totally screwed up, but there are people and businesses like Red Hat who are lobbying to fix it. And that movement is getting traction. Not as quickly as I'd like, but there is steady progress. The company you refer to, is Red Hat Inc correct? Yup. If it were based outside the US, it could do much more and not have to worry about patents(if the country they were based in was more cooperative), but there again other places like Europe also have patents and are trying to enforce them The reality is that it is based in the US. So to say fsck patents when the company would be at high risk of being sued out of existence is just silly. http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index.html I, too, hate the patent system here. I agree that the it needs to be torn down. But to spit in the eye of the government of *any* company is just stupid. The government, take a look at the stuff they are doing, they are restricting your freedom and mine, at any time they want they can arrest you, they can search your property without a search warrant, they can do whatever they want to you and not have to answer to anyone. And we're probably going to see a regime change for the better here soon. As I said, the pendulum swings back and forth. Right now it is in a bad place. I have high hopes that we'll swing the other way soon. Do you believe a governement that standed for freedom is doing this? I believe that what the US is about is not what the current government of the US is about. I think that this situation is going to be rectified through the legal channels in place - voting and legislation. What do you think of the Patriot Act? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act So completely off topic I'm not going to pursue that here. There are many other things that have done away with the freedoms that made this country great. No argument there, but I have high hopes that the pendulum will swing back the other way soon. It is also sad that because the Company's base is here in the U.S, that other countries have to put up with laws that are not of their own. Of course they have repositories and work on things that Fedora cannot distribute, but that is not the point. These are workarounds that exist. I bug the crap out of my representatives in the government. I know many others who do the same. That's how we get things changed. I also believe that the BORDER WALL is stupid, but I cannot do anything about it? Can you do something about it? Again, so off topic that I won't go down this rat hole. Sun Microsystems encouraged the ZFS port to FreeBSD, and yes they placed the patents in place, now if they encouraged the port to FreeBSD(since BSDs* are more relaxed than GPL), they should protect FreeBSD. If not, like you say (FreeBSD should get rid of it and protect themselves much like Fedora protects itself from these cr*ppy patents and lawuits :) It's easy for you to say that sun *should* do this or that. You gonna pony up the bucks if someone like the FreeBSD group gets sued, though? Cause nothing says that Sun *has* to. Your wishes and suppositions != fact. Why should I ponny up the bucks? Sun should do this, it is their product, if they want people to use it, then they should protect its customers or people that freely download it. Key word - should. The problem is that there is not really anything that forces
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 02:48 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Personally, I think the demand by Stallman, and others to call Linux 'GNU/Linux' is just stupid and childish. What exactly is it that you don't want to call GNU/Linux? What pieces of software does it contain? Is Udev part of what you call Linux? udev is not a GNU project. Is Yum part of what you call Linux? Yum is not a GNU project. Is Apache HTTPD part of what you call Linux? Apache is not a GNU project. Is Sylpheed part of what you call Linux? Sylpheed is not a GNU project. The reality is that a modern Linux distribution contains code from the *BSD projects, from the Apache project, from ISC, and from a ton of other projects and groups. Should we call it GNU/Apache/BSD/Kitchen Sink/Linux? That's just silly. The core of the distribution is the kernel, called Linux. It is perfectly fair and reasonable to call it plain old Linux. I don't really get riled up at the folks who write it as GNU/Linux, but I think they are being silly, and not attributing all the other fine projects which have contributed code. Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:24 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: What is the best method to download everything under the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget? waht options Need the F9 stuff for testing. Frank See http://docs.fedoraproject.org/mirror/en/sn-planning-and-setup.html for some examples of how to do this. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to send a bug report...
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 00:26 -0400, Mike Chalmers wrote: How do I send Fedora Project information on a bug? Thanks. http://bugzilla.redhat.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
