Re: ssh tutorial

2009-06-06 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Timothy Murphy schrieb:
 gmspro wrote:
 
 Some confusion

 ssh yourusern...@yourserver

 Here
 yourname=linux user account  // Am i correct?
 yourserver=??
 
 No.
   ssh -l yourusername yourserver

ssh username_at_remote_ser...@remote_server is also possible


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dependency errors while upgrading vom F10 to Rawhide (F11)

2009-05-26 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Hi,

I checked the ability to upgrade from F10 to F11 (Rawhide) directly
using yum. A couple of weeks ago, there were dependency errors with
python. These errors are not fixed until now.

In my point of view, this issue should be fixed until GA of Leonidas.

Thanks,
Uwe

==

What I have done:

[r...@alberta ~]# yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide update

I got:

- -- Finished Dependency Resolution
sos-1.8-11.fc10.noarch from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
sos-1.8-11.fc10.noarch (installed)
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libdjvulibre.so.15 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed)
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libpython2.5.so.1.0 is needed by package
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed)
kdeedu-marble-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libgps.so.17 is needed by package
kdeedu-marble-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
7:kdegraphics-libs-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libexiv2.so.4 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-libs-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libpoppler.so.3 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
6:kdelibs-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libssl.so.7 is needed by package
6:kdelibs-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
sos-1.8-11.fc10.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libdjvulibre.so.15 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libpoppler.so.3 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.7 is needed by package
6:kdelibs-4.2.3-2.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libpython2.5.so.1.0 is needed by package
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libexiv2.so.4 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-libs-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libgps.so.17 is needed by package
kdeedu-marble-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed)
[r...@alberta ~]#


So, I tried to use updates-testing to fix, but more errors appeared:

- -- Finished Dependency Resolution
sos-1.8-11.fc10.noarch from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
sos-1.8-11.fc10.noarch (installed)
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libdjvulibre.so.15 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libpython2.5.so.1.0 is needed by package
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed)
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
PyQt4-4.4.4-6.fc10.i386 (installed)
createrepo-0.9.7-7.fc10.noarch from updates-testing has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.5 is needed by package
createrepo-0.9.7-7.fc10.noarch (updates-testing)
kdeedu-marble-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libgps.so.17 is needed by package
kdeedu-marble-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
ntp-4.2.4p7-1.fc10.i386 from updates-testing has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.7 is needed by package
ntp-4.2.4p7-1.fc10.i386 (updates-testing)
1:qt-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 from updates-testing has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libssl.so.7 is needed by package
1:qt-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 (updates-testing)
1:qt-x11-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 from updates-testing has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.7 is needed by package
1:qt-x11-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 (updates-testing)
7:kdegraphics-libs-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libexiv2.so.4 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-libs-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libpoppler.so.3 is needed by package
7:kdegraphics-4.2.3-1.fc10.i386 (installed)
1:qt-x11-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 from updates-testing has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: libssl.so.7 is needed by package
1:qt-x11-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 (updates-testing)
6:kdelibs-4.2.3-3.fc10.i386 from 

Re: dependency errors while upgrading from F10 to Rawhide (F11)

2009-05-26 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Michael Schwendt schrieb:
 On Tue, 26 May 2009 11:43:54 +0200, Uwe wrote:
 
 With a Yum-based distribution upgrade, you typically perform an upgrade in
 two steps. First you update to the right fedora-release package, so
 variables like $releasever used in your *.repo files expand to '11'
 instead of '10'. Then you run a plain yum update, which automatically
 chooses the Fedora 11 repos.
 I know this procedure.
 
 Then use it. ;)

That was not the right way:

rpm -Uvh
ftp://ftp.solnet.ch/mirror/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-notes-11.0.0-2.fc11.noarch.rpm
rpm -Uvh
ftp://ftp.solnet.ch/mirror/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm

[r...@alberta ~]# yum clean all
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit
Cleaning up Everything
Cleaning up list of fastest mirrors
[r...@alberta ~]# yum update
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit
Determining fastest mirrors
YumRepo Error: All mirror URLs are not using ftp, http[s] or file.
 Eg. /metalink/
removing mirrorlist with no valid mirrors:
//var/cache/yum/fedora/mirrorlist.txt
Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: fedora
[r...@alberta ~]#

another try:

[r...@alberta ~]# yum --enablerepo=rawhide --disablerepo=fedora update
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
YumRepo Error: All mirror URLs are not using ftp, http[s] or file.
 Eg. /metalink/
removing mirrorlist with no valid mirrors:
//var/cache/yum/updates/mirrorlist.txt


Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates
[r...@alberta ~]#


last try:

yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide update

and back to the errors of my very 1st posting...

:-(



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Re: dependency errors while upgrading from F10 to Rawhide (F11)

2009-05-26 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Michael Schwendt schrieb:
 On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:16:13 +0200, Uwe wrote:
 
 rpm -Uvh
 ftp://ftp.solnet.ch/mirror/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm

 
 And to add some trouble-shooting myself, this new fedora-release package
 points to a mirrorlist URL that returns an XML file instead of the old
 plain-text list of baseurls. Perhaps upgrade tools like Yum are needed to
 handle it. But that doesn't prove that hardcoding the F11 repository
 baseurls would not work. Especially if above you choose a local mirror
 already anyway.
 

I think, thats the point, why it would no be possible to go the way
described in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq (yet)

I will try it again after Leonidas is GA - expecting it won't work.
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Re: Apache Virtual Server

2009-04-27 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Dennis Kaptain wrote:
  I am playing with the Zend Framework on my laptop. In my reading of
 
 I edited /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf as follows:
 #
 ServerName confianza:80

Do not configure a ServerName in the global section if you are using
virtual hosts.

HTH
Uwe

 NameVirtualHost *:80
 #
 VirtualHost *:80
 ServerName confianza
 DocumentRoot /var/www/html
 /VirtualHost
 # 
 VirtualHost *:80
 ServerName confianzazend
 DocumentRoot /var/www/html/QuickStart/public
 /VirtualHost
 
 I then restart httpd 
 [r...@confianza html]# service httpd restart
 Stopping httpd:[  OK  ]
 Starting httpd:[  OK  ]
 
 
 I want http://confianza to return the contents of /var/www/html
 I want http://confianzazend to return the contents of /var/www/html/QuickStart
 
 
 What is happening is that both http://confianza and http://confianzazend are 
 both returning the contents of /var/www/html
 
 I've looked at several web pages and they all say the same thing, this should 
 just work (TM). It seems simple enough yet my problem persists. What else do 
 I need to do?
 
 Thanks
 
 
   ¡Obtén la mejor experiencia en la web! Descarga gratis el nuevo 
 Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=mx
 

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Re: Apache Virtual Server

2009-04-27 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Dennis Kaptain wrote:
 
 
 - Mensaje original 
 De: Uwe Kiewel m...@kiewel-online.ch
 Para: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. 
 fedora-list@redhat.com
 Enviado: lunes, 27 de abril, 2009 13:15:23
 Asunto: Re: Apache Virtual Server

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 Dennis Kaptain wrote:
  I am playing with the Zend Framework on my laptop. In my reading of

 I edited /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf as follows:
 #
 ServerName confianza:80
 Do not configure a ServerName in the global section if you are using
 virtual hosts.

 HTH
 Uwe

 
 Uwe,
 Thanks for the quick response
 
 In /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
 I commented out 
 #ServerName confianza:80
 Saved the file
 and restarted the server 
 [r...@confianza httpd]# service httpd restart
 Stopping httpd:[  OK  ]
 Starting httpd:[  OK  ]
 [r...@confianza httpd]# 
 
 and http://confianzazend still returns the contents of /var/www/html
 
 I also thought to clear the cache in Firefox 3.0.9. That wasn't it either.
 
 Do you have any other ideas? This seems like it should be very easy?

I'm not sure how apache recognizes which virtual server the client
requests. Maybe you need a real dns setup.


THT,
Uwe

 DK
 
 
 
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 Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=mx
 

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Re: Display actual speed of ethernet connection

2009-04-19 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Dave Feustel schrieb:
 I just got a gigabyte switch for my home network and I still
 haven't figured out how to display the tx/rx data rate of each
 nic connected to the switch. Also, the leds for the F9 computer
 is not lighted on the switch, although F9 is accessing the
 internet. 
 
 What command will display the rx/tx data rates of each nic?

If you plug the cable into the switch, the linkt will go up. dmesg shows
the speed and dumplex negotiation.


HTH,
Uwe
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Re: Install F10 on a machine that has no CD/DVD drive, i.e. VPS

2009-04-15 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 13:29 +0100, Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
 I'm sorry for the title. It is a challenge that I have at the moment.
 We
 have some VPS(s) 6 in total, and I wish to upgrade the distro that
 comes
 with them. They are currently running FC3 - which is umm... a little
 older than I'm comfortable with. I do recall a few years back that I
 managed to do something similar with debian, where I was able to
 upgrade
 the distro running, to run  a debian distro of my choice following a
 guide online, and I recall I had to turn off swap, and use chroot in
 the
 swap partition, something like that.
 
 I've no idea what a VPS is, but if it can boot from a USB pendrive

VPS = virtual private server


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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

2009-04-08 Thread Uwe Kiewel

Craig White schrieb:

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 23:18 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:

max bianco wrote:

SELinux was in fact the issue !

Thanks for your help
--

 If you think you need to add policy rules , ask on fedora-selinux
first. The webserver policy is pretty well tested and there are
several booleans that usually will cover most of your needs.


The question is: Does he need selinux? For a normal server it is too
paranoid I think. SElinux is the first thing I switch off after the setup.


I can see how life's easier when you disable technologies that
contribute to the overall security of your systems but I can't see the
logic of boasting about it.



My point of view: Use the technologies you need in your specific case - 
do not use every technology you could use.


Fedora enables SElinux by default - other distributions do not so.

Uwe

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

2009-04-07 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Kevin Kempter wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Kevin Kempter wrote:
  Hi All;
 
 
  I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
 
  I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I see
  the expected Fedora Test Page.
 
  I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
  separate file system) so I did this:
 
  1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the conf.d/*
  files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
 
  Include conf.d/*.conf
 
 
  2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
  directory:
 
  #
  # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb

 Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
 file system permissions.


 THT,
 Uwe
 
 
 Here's the file system perms:
 
 
 /stage:
 (ls -l / | grep stage)
 drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage
 
 
 /stage/webpages
 (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
 drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages
 
 
 /stage/webpages/csweb
 (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
 drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
 


What does the error_log say?

/var/log/httpd/error_log


HTH,
Uwe

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

2009-04-07 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Kevin Kempter wrote:
 Hi All;
 
 
 I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
 
 I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I see
 the expected Fedora Test Page.
 
 I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
 separate file system) so I did this:
 
 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the conf.d/*
 files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
 
 Include conf.d/*.conf
 
 
 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d directory:
 
 #
 # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb

Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
file system permissions.


THT,
Uwe


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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

2009-04-07 Thread Uwe Kiewel
max bianco wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Kempter ke...@kevinkempterllc.com 
 wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:05:49 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Kevin Kempter wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Kevin Kempter wrote:
 Hi All;


 I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.

 I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
 see the expected Fedora Test Page.

 I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
 separate file system) so I did this:

 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
 conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:

 Include conf.d/*.conf


 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
 directory:

 #
 # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
 Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
 file system permissions.


 THT,
 Uwe
 Here's the file system perms:


 /stage:
 (ls -l / | grep stage)
 drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage


 /stage/webpages
 (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
 drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages


 /stage/webpages/csweb
 (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
 drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
 What does the error_log say?

 /var/log/httpd/error_log


 HTH,
 Uwe
 [Tue Apr 07 14:15:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied:
 access to /csweb/ denied



 SELinux?
 
Good hint, Max.

e.g. dmesg might show this

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

2009-04-07 Thread Uwe Kiewel
max bianco wrote:
 SELinux was in fact the issue !

 Thanks for your help
 --
  If you think you need to add policy rules , ask on fedora-selinux
 first. The webserver policy is pretty well tested and there are
 several booleans that usually will cover most of your needs.
 
The question is: Does he need selinux? For a normal server it is too
paranoid I think. SElinux is the first thing I switch off after the setup.

Uwe

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UMTS/3F PC Express Card

2008-09-14 Thread Uwe Kiewel
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Hi,

does someone use a PC Express Card (replacement of PCMCIA) UMTS/3G Card
with Fedora?

I try to use my card in Fedora 9, but I don't know how to establish a
connection to the mobile provider network.

Thanks,
Uwe
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Re: old-style KDE look and feel

2008-09-04 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Mark Haney schrieb:
 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Mark Haney schrieb:
 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Anne Wilson schrieb:
 On Wednesday 03 September 2008 19:55:16 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Hi,

 is there an way to switch the KDE in F9 to the old-style look and
 feel
 like F8 or earlier?

 Some things are easy - like using Classic menu and using konqueror
 for your file manager.  What else do you want to do?

 Anne

 Well, I want to have the old-style look and feel. Most important for me
 are the classic menus.

 Thanks,
 Uwe

 Have you tried right clicking the Start button and selecting 'Switch to
 Classic Menu style'?




 Oh! Thats new to me. Please give me a try.

 Thanks,
 Uwe

 
 Did that help?  I've not used that option, so I wasn't sure if it was
 what you wanted?
 
 

Yeah. That's the dream of my sleeples nights :-)

Thanks a lot!

Uwe

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old-style KDE look and feel

2008-09-03 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Hi,

is there an way to switch the KDE in F9 to the old-style look and feel
like F8 or earlier?

Thanks, 
Uwe

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Re: old-style KDE look and feel

2008-09-03 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Patrick O'Callaghan schrieb:
 On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 20:55 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Hi,

 is there an way to switch the KDE in F9 to the old-style look and feel
 like F8 or earlier?
 
 You can install the old-style Launcher, but that's about it.
 

no old-style menus?

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Re: old-style KDE look and feel

2008-09-03 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Armin schrieb:
 On Wednesday 03 September 2008 16:05:18 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Patrick O'Callaghan schrieb:
 On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 20:55 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Hi,

 is there an way to switch the KDE in F9 to the old-style look and feel
 like F8 or earlier?
 You can install the old-style Launcher, but that's about it.
 no old-style menus?
 Yes, you can switch the menu to use classic menu instead of kickoff!

Please tell me, how.

Thanks,
Uwe

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Re: old-style KDE look and feel

2008-09-03 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Anne Wilson schrieb:
 On Wednesday 03 September 2008 19:55:16 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Hi,

 is there an way to switch the KDE in F9 to the old-style look and feel
 like F8 or earlier?

 Some things are easy - like using Classic menu and using konqueror for your 
 file manager.  What else do you want to do?
 
 Anne
 

Well, I want to have the old-style look and feel. Most important for me
are the classic menus.

Thanks,
Uwe

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Re: old-style KDE look and feel

2008-09-03 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Mark Haney schrieb:
 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Anne Wilson schrieb:
 On Wednesday 03 September 2008 19:55:16 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Hi,

 is there an way to switch the KDE in F9 to the old-style look and feel
 like F8 or earlier?

 Some things are easy - like using Classic menu and using konqueror
 for your file manager.  What else do you want to do?

 Anne


 Well, I want to have the old-style look and feel. Most important for me
 are the classic menus.

 Thanks,
 Uwe

 
 Have you tried right clicking the Start button and selecting 'Switch to
 Classic Menu style'?
 
 
 

Oh! Thats new to me. Please give me a try.

Thanks,
Uwe

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strange behavior of vim syntax highlighting

2008-09-02 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Hi world,

I've got a problem using vim's syntax highlighting feature.

System: Runlevel 5, KDE, Fedora 8

- in a text console (STRG-ALT-F1)- it works
- ssh to localhost or ssh from a remote system - it works
- as user doing su - user - it works
- opening a xterm in KDE - it doesn't work


My question: What is the difference between the first 3 ways and the
last one in allocating the vim environment?

Thanks,
Uwe

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Re: strange behavior of vim syntax highlighting

2008-09-02 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Gilboa Davara schrieb:
 On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 15:00 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Hi world,

 I've got a problem using vim's syntax highlighting feature.

 System: Runlevel 5, KDE, Fedora 8

 - in a text console (STRG-ALT-F1)- it works
 - ssh to localhost or ssh from a remote system - it works
 - as user doing su - user - it works
 - opening a xterm in KDE - it doesn't work


 My question: What is the difference between the first 3 ways and the
 last one in allocating the vim environment?

 Thanks,
  Uwe

 
 What's the output of xterm's TERM?
 $ echo $TERM
 
 ... Try:
 $ TERM=xterm-color vim ...
 
 - Gilboa
 

Well, thanks for the answer. Now, I found out vi=!vim. With vim I have
syntax high lighting everywhere, with vi no. So, I'll make a alias.

Thanks, 
Uwe

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Re: Virus software? do I need it?

2008-08-27 Thread Uwe Kiewel
Jeffrey Engle schrieb:
 Is virus software a must have? I'm trying Fedora 9, used Mac OS X for
 years without it. What say you? Jeff
 

I think, I might be a good idea to have a mail virus scanner for
detecting system independed toxic things like phishing emails or
something like that.

HTH,
Uwe

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