Re: How does one remove the nvidia driver and install nouveau ?
> gil...@altern.org on 10/26/2009 04:05 PM wrote: >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Videocard0" >> Driver "nvidia" >> EndSection >> >> >> Maybe there's a problem? >> > > Here's your problem. Change "nvidia" to "nouveau" and restart X. Normally, --uninstall During installation, the installer will make backups of any conflicting files and record the installation of new files. The uninstall option undoes an install, restoring the system to its pre-install state. file:///usr/share/doc/xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.36/html/chapter-04-section-04.html So, if the driver is still "nvidia", it's most probably that process didn't complete, maybe didn't even begin. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How does one remove the nvidia driver and install nouveau ?
> gil...@altern.org on 10/26/2009 04:05 PM wrote: >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Videocard0" >> Driver "nvidia" >> EndSection >> >> >> Maybe there's a problem? >> > > Here's your problem. Change "nvidia" to "nouveau" and restart X. Normally, --uninstall During installation, the installer will make backups of any conflicting files and record the installation of new files. The uninstall option undoes an install, restoring the system to its pre-install state. file:///usr/share/doc/xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.36/html/chapter-04-section-04.html So, if the driver is still "nvidia", it's most probably that process didn't complete, maybe didn't even begin. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How does one remove the nvidia driver and install nouveau ?
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Hint: Why do you have two device sections? Well I do not have two device sections: more /etc/X11/xorg.conf == # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 1.0 (buildmeis...@builder62) Tue Jul 28 19:48:57 PDT 2009 # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" 0 0 InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "XkbLayout" "us" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Videocard0" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" #Option "ConstantFrameRateHint" "True" SubSection "Display" Modes "nvidia-auto-select" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection and when I issue the /usr/sbin/nvidia-config-display disable command, as recommended in file:///usr/share/doc/xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.36/html/chapter-04-section-04.html I receive: Segmentation fault My card is a 9400gt 1024 MB. Maybe there's a problem? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 23:51:10 +0500, > gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> >> > will help protect you from "private doorbell" type stuff. >> >> What's "private doorbell" type stuff? > > What's "google". It's a place where you get all kind of answers that are sometimes irrelevant, or very approximative, or only understandable is you already know the answer, or plain wrong and, quite rarely for subjects that the drones at your ISP couldn't answer, informative. I took a look before writing my answer and the information I got is it's a mean for people on the net or your ISP to take a look at the data on your computer *before* it's encrypted. Since everybody here seem to agree that such a feat is impossible(1), it's rather surprising. Otherwise, encryption wouldn't make much sense. (1) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-October/msg00691.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
> On 10/09/2009 02:55 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Paul wrote: >> >>> If you have adequate security, your ISP should have no better access to >>> your system/data than any other nefarious twerp on de intertubes. >>> Actually >>> even if you don't have security, your ISP has no better (or worse) >>> access >>> than the twerp. >> >> Then, I'm afraid Fedora's security is not as tight as it's supposed to >> be. >> See my answer to Phil Meyer. > > I would say that Paul's response is not correct. > > Since the ISP is directly in the route of your data they can intercept > it and manipulate it. Of course, but I don't believe that's what Paul meant. He meant have access to your system/data on your computer. I would be delighted having to care only about data that goes through my ISPs servers. See: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-October/msg00691.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
Paul wrote: > If you have adequate security, your ISP should have no better access to > your system/data than any other nefarious twerp on de intertubes. Actually > even if you don't have security, your ISP has no better (or worse) access > than the twerp. Then, I'm afraid Fedora's security is not as tight as it's supposed to be. See my answer to Phil Meyer. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
> On 10/08/2009 01:27 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Most people trust their ISP, and rightly so, I suppose. But what if an >> ISP >> was a vilain? :) What kind of access would it have to its users' >> computers? Isn't it the same as a client connected to a server? The >> server >> being root, it has full access to the client. >> >> Of course, the ISP doesn't have the password of the client's computer, >> but >> it transmits data back and forth to its users' computers all day long. >> >> If suppose this is a rather basic networking question, but given my >> knowledge on the matter, I have a hard time figuring this out. >> >> > > It is the same age old problem. > > Does the phone company listen in? Yes. > Are they supposed to? No. Not without cause, but do employees do it? > Yes they can, and do, even without permission or cause. > Same holds true for ISPs. Of course, I understand that any unencrypted data that goes to / comes through my ISP can be read, but that's not my point. Most of what I write I post publicly and my email are in no way personal. I speak openly and couldn't care less. My problem is the following. I was playing with Thunderbird trying to filter messages so I could see only answers to my own posts. I saw that I had *one* with a reply header that I was sure I had never configured. I checked the headers and saw that accented letters for the title were written with the Windows 1252 charset. I only use 8859-1 in Thunderbird... I checked the message in my Sent box and it was exactly the same as the post on my nntp provider's server. This is the last in a series of security breaches that I had, as far as I remember, only since I'm with this provider. (I exposed a few here.) My firewall settings are, I believe, Fedora's default: everything is disabled, except ICMP requests. Nobody has physical access to my computer: I even installed a security lock on the front door and a latch on the back door. When I exposed my problems here, people thought I was just careless or absent-minded. Some spatly suggested I was crazy. So, the problem doesn't seem very common and I'm wondering what's going on. I wouldn't mind that much if my outgoing traffic was read, but I would like to be sure it is sent where I want, and in the way I wrote it. That's my concern. Since I know the time the message was sent, maybe it could help searching the logs? Here is the message log a few minutes before: Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: powernow-k8:0 : pstate 0 (2800 MHz) Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: powernow-k8:1 : pstate 1 (2100 MHz) Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: powernow-k8:2 : pstate 2 (1600 MHz) Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: powernow-k8:3 : pstate 3 (800 MHz) Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 10 Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team Sep 30 13:19:18 localhost kernel: nvidia-config-d[1218]: segfault at 7feda400 ip 003c6f2799a4 sp 7fff68929dd8 error 4 in libc-2.10.1.so[3c6f20+164000] Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Found user 'avahi' (UID 498) and group 'avahi' (GID 497). Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Successfully dropped root privileges. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: avahi-daemon 0.6.25 starting up. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Successfully called chroot(). Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Successfully dropped remaining capabilities. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Loading service file /services/ssh.service. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: System host name is set to 'localhost'. This is not a suitable mDNS host name, looking for alternatives. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Network interface enumeration completed. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Registering HINFO record with values 'X86_64'/'LINUX'. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Server startup complete. Host name is linux.local. Local service cookie is 2567118204. Sep 30 13:19:19 localhost avahi-daemon[1316]: Service "linux" (/services/ssh.service) successfully established. Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: starting... Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: nm_generic_enable_loopback(): error -17 returned from rtnl_addr_add():#012Sucess#012 Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: (eth0): new Ethernet device (driver: 'r8169') Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: (eth0): exported as /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_24_1d_2e_11_88 Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: (ttyS0): ignoring due to lack of mobile broadband capabilties Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: Trying to start the supplicant... Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost NetworkManager: Trying to start the system settings daemon... Sep 30 13:19:20 localhost nm-system-settings: Loaded plugin ifcfg-rh: (c) 2007 - 2008 Red Hat, Inc. To report b
Can ISPs be trusted?
Most people trust their ISP, and rightly so, I suppose. But what if an ISP was a vilain? :) What kind of access would it have to its users' computers? Isn't it the same as a client connected to a server? The server being root, it has full access to the client. Of course, the ISP doesn't have the password of the client's computer, but it transmits data back and forth to its users' computers all day long. If suppose this is a rather basic networking question, but given my knowledge on the matter, I have a hard time figuring this out. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
gilpel wrote: >> I suspect this isn't feasible with Thunderbird alone (unless it has >> funkiness of which I'm not aware - I'm not a TBird user). > > Common server names will remain a problem, otherwise... (...) > It's less than ideal and I'm not sure it will work exactly as expected, > but I'll see. Well it works as expected but common server names are definitely a problem. If anybody on the thread uses the same server as you and has 100 answers, they will all appear as star-ed. So, it's pretty much no use. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> | Cameron Simpson wrote: > | If you see any way of implementing this in Thunderbird with a very > common > | server name like aioe or motzarella, I'm interested. > > I suspect this isn't feasible with Thunderbird alone (unless it has > funkiness of which I'm not aware - I'm not a TBird user). Common server names will remain a problem, otherwise... You make a filter on the From field, enter your name and set the action to Watch thread. On a second filter, you use Customize, enter a References field with the name of your server in it and set action to Add Star. So, I you select View, Threads, Watched threads with unread, then sort with the Star field, you get unread answers in the threads where you have posted with answers to people who post from the same server as you, sorted first. It's less than ideal and I'm not sure it will work exactly as expected, but I'll see. Of course, if you don't use Thunderbird, this will probably be almost as incomprehensible to you as you explanations on Mutt are to me :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> On 06Oct2009 08:42, gil...@altern.org wrote: | > On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 08:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > | >> However, it seems to me that the "problem" is...there may be a thread > | >> started by one person (not you) and you reply to one post within that > | >> thread and wish only to see messages related to your post within the > | >> thread. If that is it, then no there is no concept of > "sub-treading". > | >> > | >> Frankly, there is simple solution to the "problem". > | > > | > I've seen clients that could do that sort of thing fairly easily | > (probable Forte Inc's Agent, or it might have been Thule's Thor), | > | I'm not so sure any more. You know how much influence Ed has on me :), so > | I check the headers and the References field is in the form of | > | 08nmii94i...@newsprovider.com > > What, no <> bracketing? Of course, with bracketing! > | There is no mention of who the poster is. So, the newsreader would have > to > | check every message to see who posted it. Lots of work! > > Um, if you're after replies to your own messages it is only necessary to note the message-ids of your own messages and look for them in the References: header. It makes sense. It would then even be possible to specify how "deep" you're willing to go. For instance, if somebody is replying to somebody who is replying, etc. to somebody who's replying to your message, you might not be interested. If you see any way of implementing this in Thunderbird with a very common server name like aioe or motzarella, I'm interested. > I also saw that the References field is not always present. So maybe | Cameron Simpson could explain us how "A quick '/~P~Q'" manages to do the trick. What does '/~P~Q' stand for in Mutt? > I take the position that if the References field is not present in a usenet article, it is not a followup. I thought that Outlook didn't have this field but I rechecked ad can't find any. My error, I suppose. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
E.D. Wrote: > Tim wrote: > But, I haven't found any client that would eliminate viewing follow ups > that are OT Try to stay minimally honest. I never asked to eliminate OT posts. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> >> You just discovered that I must add the attribution manually :) >> >> > That being the case, I'm surprised you haven't become annoyed enough > about that to make a change. Other than that, Altern works pretty well. It tried to configure an email client but didn't have much success and finally gave up. Given the state of my health now, I doubt I'll get back into configuration issues. I have more important things to care about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
Ed Greshko wrote: > gil...@altern.org wrote: >>> gil...@altern.org wrote: >>> Is it possible to only view answers to one's usenet posts in Thunderbird, and those of a few other posters, if possible. >>> To address the first part of your question... >>> >>> If you want to exclusively view only answers to your posts the answer >>> is >>> "not really". However, what is wrong with choosing "Click to display >>> message threads". If you are the OP then any response to your message >>> will appear under it. >>> >> >> "If" you are the OP, you will see the messages of all the people who >> answered the people, etc. who answered your post until it has nothing to >> do with your post. >> >> > There is no way to programatically solve that problem > > BTW, there is something strange about the mailer you are using. When > you reply to people's messages it doesn't always keep or add the > attributions. The message I just replied to had no indication that > another person said "To address the first part...". You just discovered that I must add the attribution manually :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 08:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> However, it seems to me that the "problem" is...there may be a thread >> started by one person (not you) and you reply to one post within that >> thread and wish only to see messages related to your post within the >> thread. If that is it, then no there is no concept of "sub-treading". >> >> Frankly, there is simple solution to the "problem". > > I've seen clients that could do that sort of thing fairly easily > (probable Forte Inc's Agent, or it might have been Thule's Thor), I'm not so sure any more. You know how much influence Ed has on me :), so I check the headers and the References field is in the form of 08nmii94i...@newsprovider.com There is no mention of who the poster is. So, the newsreader would have to check every message to see who posted it. Lots of work! I also saw that the References field is not always present. So maybe Cameron Simpson could explain us how "A quick '/~P~Q'" manages to do the trick. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >>> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:25 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> However, what is wrong with choosing "Click to display message threads". If you are the OP then any response to your message will appear under it. >>> And you could set a rule to highlight your own messages, making them >>> stand out in the list. >>> >> >> > Firstthe above illustrates again the issue with how your replies are > "broken". I did not say "And you could set...". You are replying to a > message from "Tim" who replied to message from "Me". Absolutely. That's how I see the threading here. The problem is altern doesn't add "Ed Greshko wrote", he must add it by hand every this and, this time, I forgot. Proof: As you can see, the first line is > gil...@altern.org wrote: and I wasn't replying to myself. So, "Tim" should > have been attributed with the "And you could set...". >> This looks like a partial solution. In Thunderbird: >> >> Tools => Message Filter >> >> Create a filter on your name and tag it the color you want, say >> important >> = red >> >> Run filters on Folder in the Tools menu doesn't work. So, make a search >> on >> your name in every folder and mark as Important. New incoming messages >> will be marked Important automatically. >> >> Mark as Watched (with W) every thread where you post. >> >> Whenever you want to see answers to your posts, go to View => Watched >> threads with unread. Then, scroll down the hundreds of messages to find >> yours and take a close look to see if you don't have some unread >> answers. >> >> After you're finished, go to View => Threads => All. >> >> // >> >> Better than nothing, but rather painful. I doubt it will ever be a >> popular >> method for reading the news. >> >> > I haven't been able to fully grasp what problem you are having or trying > to define and solve. > > However, it seems to me that the "problem" is...there may be a thread > started by one person (not you) and you reply to one post within that > thread and wish only to see messages related to your post within the > thread. If that is it, then no there is no concept of "sub-treading". Now you're getting to it. > Frankly, there is simple solution to the "problem". Since you seem > uninterested in the general thread and what others may or may not have > said within the thread as it doesn't relate to your comments... That's not the point. When a thread has hundreds of posts, the discussion often becomes irrelevant to the original post and then you have to find out answers to your posts among hundred of posts. So, sometimes, you miss some relevant answers to your posts, which is not very nice to people who took time to answer you. But you like worst case scenarios in which people are only selfishly interested to answers to their own posts, don't you? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:25 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> However, what is wrong with choosing "Click to display message >> threads". If you are the OP then any response to your message >> will appear under it. > > And you could set a rule to highlight your own messages, making them stand out in the list. This looks like a partial solution. In Thunderbird: Tools => Message Filter Create a filter on your name and tag it the color you want, say important = red Run filters on Folder in the Tools menu doesn't work. So, make a search on your name in every folder and mark as Important. New incoming messages will be marked Important automatically. Mark as Watched (with W) every thread where you post. Whenever you want to see answers to your posts, go to View => Watched threads with unread. Then, scroll down the hundreds of messages to find yours and take a close look to see if you don't have some unread answers. After you're finished, go to View => Threads => All. // Better than nothing, but rather painful. I doubt it will ever be a popular method for reading the news. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Is it possible to only view answers to one's usenet posts in >> Thunderbird, >> and those of a few other posters, if possible. >> > To address the first part of your question... > > If you want to exclusively view only answers to your posts the answer is > "not really". However, what is wrong with choosing "Click to display > message threads". If you are the OP then any response to your message > will appear under it. "If" you are the OP, you will see the messages of all the people who answered the people, etc. who answered your post until it has nothing to do with your post. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> On 03Oct2009 23:55, gil...@altern.org wrote: > | > gil...@altern.org wrote: > | >> Is it possible to only view answers to one's usenet posts in > | >> Thunderbird, > | >> and those of a few other posters, if possible. > | >> > | >> Is it possible with any other newsgroup reader? > | >> > | > Seamonkey allows marking a thread as "watched" and viewing only > "watched > | > threads with unread posts" for nntp > | > | The problem is the thread sometimes has hundreds of posts and you might > | have 10. They're hard to find. Of course, you may make a search on your > | name, click one post and see if you have any answer. And so on for each > | and every of your posts, but it's rather painful, mainly that you might > | also want to check the answers another poster receives. > > In mutt Don't tell me I could have a news reader looking like this! http://www.mutt.org/screenshots/index.gif Listen, if I remember well, 10 years ago, FreeAgent allowed seeing only answers to one's own post. Is it possible that Linux doesn't offer the same today in graphic mode? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
Elliott Chapin wrote: > As a fallback how about just sorting on a field - From or whatever? If I sort on From, I will only see the posts of one poster. I don't see which whatever could do the job. > And have you tried Pan? I must have tried Pan twice a year for the last five years. People say it's fantastic but I found it's plainly the most awkward news reader I ever came across. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
Ed Greshko wrote: > But, based on your description, it would seem that you should file a > bugzilla. Don't tell this to anybody: somebody is reading us! I received an upgrade for xvidcore today and, after that, all the parts of the video played. I can't switch with the arrow, but they all play. I was surprized to see that both the x86_64 and i586 versions were installed. So I checked yum.log cat /var/log/yum.log | grep xvidcore Jun 30 18:26:49 Installed: xvidcore-1.2.1-2.fc11.x86_64 Jul 11 12:47:44 Installed: xvidcore-1.2.1-2.fc11.i586 Aug 12 13:38:36 Erased: xvidcore Aug 12 13:47:57 Installed: xvidcore-1.2.1-2.fc11.x86_64 Oct 04 12:00:15 Updated: xvidcore-1.2.1-3.fc11.x86_64 Oct 04 12:01:04 Updated: xvidcore-1.2.1-3.fc11.i586 >From this I suppose that both the x86_64 and i586 versions are installed when you ask to install only x86_64. I tried to remove only the i586 version but I saw that I have other i586 packages installed: yum erase xvidcore-1.2.1-3.fc11.i586 Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Setting up Remove Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package xvidcore.i586 0:1.2.1-3.fc11 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: libxvidcore.so.4 for package: ffmpeg-libs-0.5-2.fc11.i586 --> Running transaction check ---> Package ffmpeg-libs.i586 0:0.5-2.fc11 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: libavcodec.so.52 for package: gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.8-1.fc11.i586 --> Processing Dependency: libavformat.so.52 for package: gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.8-1.fc11.i586 --> Processing Dependency: libavutil.so.49 for package: gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.8-1.fc11.i586 --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc.so.51 for package: gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.8-1.fc11.i586 --> Processing Dependency: libswscale.so.0 for package: gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.8-1.fc11.i586 --> Running transaction check ---> Package gstreamer-ffmpeg.i586 0:0.10.8-1.fc11 set to be erased --> Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved = Package Arch Version RepositorySize = Removing: xvidcore i5861.2.1-3.fc11 installed 844 k Removing for deps: ffmpeg-libs i5860.5-2.fc11 installed13 M gstreamer-ffmpeg i5860.10.8-1.fc11 installed 447 k Transaction Summary Remove3 Package(s) Reinstall 0 Package(s) Downgrade 0 Package(s) Anyways, it doesn't seem time to fill a bug report. Things are evolving and I'm satisfied with being able to view the entire program. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> Ed Greshko wrote: >> If and when I get the chance I'll do the same on F11 with the mplayer that I have installed on it. But, don't expect it to be soon. > Well I actually had an F11 snapshot saved that I could use > > Works exactly the same as my RHELv4 system. The F11 system has Mine has the x86_64 versions: > gnome-mplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.i586 gnome-mplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > mplayer-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.i586 mplayer-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.x86_64 > gnome-mplayer-common-0.9.7-1.fc11.i586 gnome-mplayer-common-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > mplayer-gui-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.i586 gnome-mplayer-common-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > gecko-mediaplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.i586 gecko-mediaplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > installed along with the requisite gstreamer stuff I have: gstreamer-0.10.24-1.fc11.x86_64 So, I guess everything is the same, except I have the 64 bit versions. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
Reposting (Didn't appear on the list) > Ed Greshko wrote: >> If and when I get the chance I'll do the same on F11 with the mplayer that I have installed on it. But, don't expect it to be soon. > Well I actually had an F11 snapshot saved that I could use Works exactly the same as my RHELv4 system. The F11 system has Mine has the x86_64 versions: > gnome-mplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.i586 gnome-mplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > mplayer-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.i586 mplayer-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.x86_64 > gnome-mplayer-common-0.9.7-1.fc11.i586 gnome-mplayer-common-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > mplayer-gui-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.i586 gnome-mplayer-common-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > gecko-mediaplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.i586 gecko-mediaplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 > installed along with the requisite gstreamer stuff I have: gstreamer-0.10.24-1.fc11.x86_64 So, I guess everything is the same, except I have the 64 bit versions. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Is it possible to only view answers to one's usenet posts in >> Thunderbird, >> and those of a few other posters, if possible. >> >> Is it possible with any other newsgroup reader? >> > Seamonkey allows marking a thread as "watched" and viewing only "watched > threads with unread posts" for nntp The problem is the thread sometimes has hundreds of posts and you might have 10. They're hard to find. Of course, you may make a search on your name, click one post and see if you have any answer. And so on for each and every of your posts, but it's rather painful, mainly that you might also want to check the answers another poster receives. Thanks for your answer! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
Ed Greshko wrote: > gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Come on, that's an easy one! Look at this one for instance: >> >> http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/sophie_paquin/saison4/ >> >> Click the picture below and try to get to part 2, any way you want. >> > Since you have asked so nicely, I did You're very kind :) > When I open http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/sophie_paquin/saison4/ > it brings up a single frame with a large white arrow on a blue > background at the lower right. I can click on that to start play. Same here. > At the bottom of the video frame is a control bar. The far right is for > audio control. Yeap! > the middle of the segment displays "1/5". The right and left > segments contain ">>" and "<<" respectively. These can be used to > navigate between the various segments. Not here. When I click those, 2/5 appears but 1/5 starts over. > So, it works just fine for me using mplayerplug-in 3.50. When i go to Edit => Preferences => Applications in Firefox, and I enter mplayerplug-in in the search bar, under Action, I get "Use mplayerplug-in is now gecko-mediaplayer 0.9.7 (in Firefox). The version of gecko-mediaplayer I have is, more precisely: gecko-mediaplayer-0.9.7-1.fc11.x86_64 Yum doesn't find anything concerning mplayerplug-in. The Gecko version seems to deal only with content AIFF, Amiga soundTracker, Flash, MIDI, MP3, Ogg (audio). There is no mention of Windows Media. Regards and thanks again! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> >> Thanks. So we're all equally shut off from information... >> >> What about this now: >> >> http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/enquete/2009-2010/Reportage.asp?idDoc=92141&autoPlay=http://www.radio-canada.ca/Medianet/2009/CBFT/Enquete200910012000.asx,%20http://www.radio-canada.ca/Medianet/2009/CBFT/Enquete200910012016.asx,%20http://www.radio-canada.ca/Medianet/2009/CBFT/Enquete200910012034.asx >> >> As you can see, there are 3 parts and my viewer won't allow me to switch >> from one to the next except by copying the urls. Any cleaner way to do >> this? >> >> > I hope you find someone else to help you with your "favorite" site. :-) > :-) Come on, that's an easy one! Look at this one for instance: http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/sophie_paquin/saison4/ Click the picture below and try to get to part 2, any way you want. I believe you must have the Moonlight crap installed. It's rather weird that those journalists do a very good job on anything that doesn't concern their employer but keep dead silent on anything concerning it. For instance, in this very good feature: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/riding_on_risk/video.html Hana Gartner says she's very surprized that the people she talks to want to remain anonymous for fear of loosing their jobs, but this bunch of sissy journalists never dare speak a word about their own employer and all its shenanigans. Politicians who stand a chance of being elected keep quiet too for fear that "the wave" that carries them to power might just die away. There's a mysterious side to information that nobody dares to examine. So, as true as some features might sound, what are they worth exactly? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Viewing answers to one's nntp posts in Thunderbird
Is it possible to only view answers to one's usenet posts in Thunderbird, and those of a few other posters, if possible. Is it possible with any other newsgroup reader? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> gil...@altern.org wrote: > -- > "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." -- Mark Twain >>> I was trying to view this video at the CBC: >>> >>> http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/the_fifth_estate/ID=1278736498 >>> >>> and, as you can see, I suppose, it doesn't work. None of the videos in >>> the >>> video section at the CBC works. As this is Flash, I was surprized >>> >> >> I finally came to the video through a search on the title "Riding on >> Risk" >> at Google. The video is available at: >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/riding_on_risk/video.html >> >> I'm wondering if people using Windows have access to the video. Could >> somebody with access to a Windows system please check. I'd be interested >> to know if the CBC has managed to be probably the only site on the >> planet >> that prevents Linux users to see Flash videos. >> >> > I also attempted to view the video on an MS Vista machine with IE with > the same results "Content is currently unavailable". Thanks. So we're all equally shut off from information... What about this now: http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/enquete/2009-2010/Reportage.asp?idDoc=92141&autoPlay=http://www.radio-canada.ca/Medianet/2009/CBFT/Enquete200910012000.asx,%20http://www.radio-canada.ca/Medianet/2009/CBFT/Enquete200910012016.asx,%20http://www.radio-canada.ca/Medianet/2009/CBFT/Enquete200910012034.asx As you can see, there are 3 parts and my viewer won't allow me to switch from one to the next except by copying the urls. Any cleaner way to do this? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
gilpel wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: >> For "Downloads" I have "Show the Downloads..." checked and "Save files > to Downloads". A "Browse" reveals that means it will go to >> "~/Download". Additionally, since it is a .gz file the Applications is > consulted and that is set to "Always ask" with the default to be "Open > with Ark". Oops! It seems that the system default for GNOME is File Roller 2.26.3 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> I was trying to view this video at the CBC: > > http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/the_fifth_estate/ID=1278736498 > > and, as you can see, I suppose, it doesn't work. None of the videos in the > video section at the CBC works. As this is Flash, I was surprized I finally came to the video through a search on the title "Riding on Risk" at Google. The video is available at: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/riding_on_risk/video.html I'm wondering if people using Windows have access to the video. Could somebody with access to a Windows system please check. I'd be interested to know if the CBC has managed to be probably the only site on the planet that prevents Linux users to see Flash videos. Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
Ed Greshko wrote: > gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Same here. A windows opens with the file to be extracted and an Extract >> button. If you extract, it asks where and the file appears there. But >> what >> if you don't extract? Where does the file go? That's my question. >> > It is good that we are finally getting all the facts of your questions. Sometimes I try to give all the facts but I'm told that my messages are too long... mainly given that when you're asking a question you don't know exactly what's relevant or not. Also, had I know that the file was saved to the /tmp directory, I could have made my question much clearer, but then, I would have no question. To me, the downloaded tar.gz file had just disappeared. > It had been downloaded to a temporary location in /tmp (given a random > name) Given a random name... I checked with the real name. Is this what is meant to be a safety feature so that you're not just fed a hack? How efficient is this considered? >>> Of course the tar file is not installed automatically. You should have >>> also noted that after you download there is a link to the installation >>> instructions >>> http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/ >>> >> >> I don't remember being redirected to instructions. >> > I didn't say "redirected" I said a "link" is on that page to the > instructions... Sorry. When I read: "You should have also noted that *after* you download there is a link to the installation instructions" I thought you meant it wasn't there *before*. I forgot to answer this question: >>> How did you install in August? Only you can answer that. The 64 bit version has to be installed by moving the libflashplayer.so file to the correct directory. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
Ed Greshko wrote: > gil...@altern.org wrote: > It goes where you tell it to go based on the preferences you have selected and what applications may be defined. So, it will vary and may not be the same for you as it is for me. Same here. > For "Downloads" I have "Show the Downloads..." checked and "Save files to Downloads". A "Browse" reveals that means it will go to > "~/Download". Additionally, since it is a .gz file the Applications is consulted and that is set to "Always ask" with the default to be "Open with Ark". Same here. A windows opens with the file to be extracted and an Extract button. If you extract, it asks where and the file appears there. But what if you don't extract? Where does the file go? That's my question. It seems to disappear. That's why I asked if it is downloaded to memory. > So, on my system I am first asked if I want to open it with "Ark". If I pick "Save" from that dialog it will go to ~/Download. Yes, there is a "Save as" option. So? Until then, the file has been downloaded to memory only? Isn't being asked where to save a file *after* download rather unusual? > Of course the tar file is not installed automatically. You should have also noted that after you download there is a link to the installation instructions > > http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/ I don't remember being redirected to instructions. >> I also have: >> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so >> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so which were installed in August. I had installed libflashplayer.so there "Just in case" but I wonder where nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so comes >> from. > How did you install in August? Only you can answer that. > > FYI, the recommended installation method for Fedora, or any yum/rpm based system is to "Select version to download" of "YUM for Linux" and then install the downloaded .rpm file which will install the repo files for Adobe in /etc/yum.repos.d > > You can also do "about:plugins" in FF and determine what version of the flash player is currently installed. > > -- > QED. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >>> You can also check >>> "Edit-->Preferences" and look in "Main" to see where FF will store downloaded files. I like to tell FF to "Ask" but some like the default >>> settings. >> The default is Download. I had checked it and >> libflashplayer.whatever.tar.gz is not there. As I said, even locate doesn't find it. > Do you know that locate uses a database Yes. I updatedb. > You can see this if you go to your home > directory and "touch sdeaadee" and then do "locate sdeaadee". It will find the file after you run "updatedb". It sure works. > updatedb is normally only run > once per day. The job is located in /etc/cron.daily as mlocate.cron ...which explains why I sometimes found files I didn't expect to find. May I suggest that you try it and tell me where your tar.gz file ends. Go to: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Select Linux, Select tar.gz The button says: Agree and install now, but I doubt that a tar.gz file is installed automatically, mainly that my libflashplayer.so file in ~/.mozilla/plugins was installed in August and has the same number of bytes as the 64 bit version. (At http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/, you get the 32 bit version.) I also have: /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so which were installed in August. I had installed libflashplayer.so there "Just in case" but I wonder where nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so comes from. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> Ed Greshko wrote: > Forgot to mention You didn't specify your browser... FF. However, in > FF you simply go to "Tools-->Downloads" to bring up the download > window. Ctrl+Shift+Y is the shortcut. Thanks. > You can also check > "Edit-->Preferences" and look in "Main" to see where FF will store > downloaded files. I like to tell FF to "Ask" but some like the default > settings. The default is Download. I had checked it and libflashplayer.whatever.tar.gz is not there. As I said, even locate doesn't find it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> I was trying to view this video at the CBC: >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/the_fifth_estate/ID=1278736498 >> > FWIW, when I click on this link it brings up a page with a video section > whose title seems to be: "Riding on Risk". It is blank and I get a > voice over saying: "This content is currently unavailable". I don't get this and my volume on that page and for system in general are set to maximum. No problem with sound anywhere else. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
libflashplayer downloaded to memory?
I was trying to view this video at the CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/the_fifth_estate/ID=1278736498 and, as you can see, I suppose, it doesn't work. None of the videos in the video section at the CBC works. As this is Flash, I was surprized and I wanted to check if a new version of Flash hadn't come out. I went to Adobe's site and downloaded the tar.gz . I then couldn't find it on my system, so I restarted the download just to get the "Downloads" window back (any other way to do this?), clicked on the file and got libflashplayer.so.tar as in installed in / , with install_flash_player_10linux.tar-2.gz in the title bar. Of course, there's no libflashplayer* nor install_flash* in / . I did an updatedb and both files are nowhere to be found. Is it possible that those files were downloaded to memory and will disappear on the next reboot? How safe are those unsigned downloads from Adobe? I then downloaded the rpm and saw that those files are only the 32 bit version. The 64 bit version that I had installed is at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html and it hasn't changed since last July. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
>> Hi; >> >> I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a >> return copy of those posts. >> >> I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user >> profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has >> always worked up to a couple of days ago. >> >> Is there a problem anyone knows about? > > I've had the same problem. I thought the culprit was my email service > provider, altern. So, maybe not. > > Now everything is back to normal. oops! Forget about this one. I also sent a message from my ISP account to altern and it didn't appear either. So there was a problem at altern. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
> Hi; > > I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a > return copy of those posts. > > I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user > profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has > always worked up to a couple of days ago. > > Is there a problem anyone knows about? I've had the same problem. I thought the culprit was my email service provider, altern. So, maybe not. Now everything is back to normal. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Why update Swahili?
Tim wrote: > I found one of those two-inch-thick Unix books > easier to work with than reading man bash. Unix for the impatient? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Why update Swahili?
William Case wrote: > A couple of tips from someone who was a newbie only a few years ago. > > 1) don't worry about the extra downloads. I try not to, but these languages really seemed like an extreme case. > 2) This is a tip I learned the hard way, but once I learnt it, it has stood me in good stead. To operate a bit more efficiently and > effectively, take 4 hours, 2 hours for each program, and learn how to use vim(vi) and emacs. > > Vim and Emacs are text editors, and great debates rage about which one is the better. I've used vim in the rare cases when I couldn't get to a graphic interface, in which case I use gedit. I never bore too much attention to the vim commands. Whenever I have to use it, I open a reference book. It's not that I'm a nwe user, but I began using Linux when I was 50. At this age, you have projects for whatever space is left in your brain where vim and emacs commands are not involved. > Don't get frustrated with the people on the list, they are really trying to help. Those people are the same who often blame you for not exactly being on topic. Throwing shit in the fan is even less on topic to me. I'd rather do without their advice; I don't generally find their terse you-ought-to-know-better answers very useful. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Why update Swahili?
Aldo foot wrote: >> Isn't the default for the OP "overly dramatic"? :-) >> > ___ > > Posts craving attention... :-) When I posted my first message, I had no idea of the existence of m17n. I didn't know which languages were involved. I wrote Swahili to mean all those languages that are not occidental and that we are not very likely to use. Excuse me for saying things plainly, but you 3, with your ad hominem attacks, are just a bunch of assholes. If you feel I crave attention, why the hell don't you just buzz off my threads instead of spreading your crap all over? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
> On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 20:19 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> I must confess I forgot to try what would have happened with >> >> yum erase m17n/* >> >> It now seems to me it would have only erased the files named literally >> m17n*, not m17n_shahili or _whatever. > > You're confusing / with \, which is probably not what you want. Consider it's a typo. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Where are the english dictionaries for OOo, Firefox, Evolution, etc?
> gil...@altern.org: >>> It seems they're not spelled with i18n or aspell. > >> They're under: >> >> /usr/share/myspell/ > > It's interesting that many of the languages in there are links to > another, as some of the languages (e.g. en_AU and en_GB) aren't 100% the > same as each other. > > For example, although it's acceptable to spell some words ending with > ise or ize, such as "advertise," under some circumstances, where I live > (in Australia). Under stricter circumstances, such as an English > assignment marked by a strict teacher, you might earn a fail on your > written work. French has the advantage that spelling is the same all over the world. Only some words and expressions are used in some countries and not others. For instance, in Quebec, we use compétitionner (compete), whereas in France, they seemingly ignore this word and say concurrencer. In France, they ignore the word dispendieux (costly), though it's part of all the most standard French dictionary and commonly used in Quebec. But, whenever you use a word, it's spelled the same way. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
> gil...@altern.org wrote: > > If you don't need them, just say > yum erase m17n\* Yeah, I suppose with yum they wouldn't come back. But what is the backslash for? Can't find any backslash in the yum man page. >>> >>> The backslash is to prevent the shell from expanding the asterisk and >>> passing on the asterisk to yum literally. Its called escaping a special >>> character. Try looking for escaping characters in the bash man page. >> >> So, if I write >> >> rm m17n* >> >> it will remove all instances of m17n... >> >> but, because yum is not a bash command, the * has to be escaped? > > I may be wrong - if so, I hope I will be corrected - > but I don't think you _have_ to escape the *. I must confess I forgot to try what would have happened with yum erase m17n/* It now seems to me it would have only erased the files named literally m17n*, not m17n_shahili or _whatever. Maybe somebody not really interested in swahili could try it :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Why update Swahili?
> On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 06:14 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Well, in my book, rm is a bash command. It might not be exclusive to >> the bash shell, but it definitely is a bash command. Otherwise, maybe >> you could tell us what a bash command is to you? > > You are wrong. 'rm' (meaning /bin/rm) is an executable program. Shell > commands are builtin procedures such as 'cd', 'eval', etc. Unix Shells > have worked this way since the beginning. > > In Bash, if you want to know if a command is builtin, use 'type': > > $ type rm > rm is /bin/rm > $ type cd > cd is a shell builtin Interesting. Now that I have a shell builtin, I won't have to scroll through all the bash man page to find the list. They're under... SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS. > $ type type > type is a shell builtin > > poc > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Why update Swahili?
> On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 06:14 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Andras Simon wrote: >> >> > On 9/23/09, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> >>> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> >> >> So, if I write >> >> >> >> rm m17n* >> >> >> >> it will remove all instances of m17n... >> >> >> >> but, because yum is not a bash command, the * has to be escaped? >> > >> > No. Neither are bash commands >> >> Well, in my book, rm is a bash command. It might not be exclusive to the >> bash shell, but it definitely is a bash command. Otherwise, maybe you >> could tell us what a bash command is to you? > > Try executing the command, 'yum provides /bin/rm' > > rm is not a bash command per se. It is a core utility that can be used > by bash or any command shell (and there are many other command shells > other than bash supplied by Fedora). > > Your book is wrong. Many are, it seems, e.g.: http://infocenter.guardiandigital.com/manuals/SecureCommunity/node262.html http://fedorasolved.org/Members/opsec/common-bash-commands which proves once again that Google is not always your friend. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Solved] Re: Where are the english dictionaries for OOo, Firefox, Evolution, etc?
> It seems they're not spelled with i18n or aspell. They're under: /usr/share/myspell/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Where are the english dictionaries for OOo, Firefox, Evolution, etc?
It seems they're not spelled with i18n or aspell. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Solved] Re: Why update Swahili?
Andras Simon wrote: > On 9/23/09, gil...@altern.org wrote: >>> gil...@altern.org wrote: >> So, if I write >> >> rm m17n* >> >> it will remove all instances of m17n... >> >> but, because yum is not a bash command, the * has to be escaped? > > No. Neither are bash commands Well, in my book, rm is a bash command. It might not be exclusive to the bash shell, but it definitely is a bash command. Otherwise, maybe you could tell us what a bash command is to you? http://ss64.com/bash/ > 'rm *' will remove all files in the > current directory, but 'rm \*' will only remove the one whose name is > '*'. See any intro to unix in general and shells in particular. This much I know. What I didn't know what what would be the effect of escaping * with yum. I finally removed all the m17n paraphernalia with a plain yum erase m17n* Thanks to all! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
> gil...@altern.org wrote: Those packages provide contributed multilingualization (m17n) input maps for... whatever the language. >>> If you don't need them, just say >>> yum erase m17n\* >> >> Yeah, I suppose with yum they wouldn't come back. But what is the >> backslash for? Can't find any backslash in the yum man page. >> > > The backslash is to prevent the shell from expanding the asterisk and > passing on the asterisk to yum literally. Its called escaping a special > character. Try looking for escaping characters in the bash man page. So, if I write rm m17n* it will remove all instances of m17n... but, because yum is not a bash command, the * has to be escaped? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
> On 21/09/09 03:30, gil...@altern.org wrote: >>> On 9/21/09, gil...@altern.org wrote: > > --snip-- >> >> Jun 29 18:21:54 Updated: m17n-contrib-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch >> > --snip-- > > yum --remove-leaves erase m17n* (assuming correct plugin installed) > Though you may have to make sure you keep French. It seems remove-leaves is not used with erase: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&num=100&q=%22remove-leaves+erase%22+yum&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en|lang_fr As for the french dictionary, it's not part of any of those files. God knows where it's installed. locate dict | grep fr provides the following possibilities: /usr/lib64/thunderbird-3.0b3/extensions/langpack...@thunderbird.mozilla.org/dictionaries/fr.aff /usr/lib64/thunderbird-3.0b3/extensions/langpack...@thunderbird.mozilla.org/dictionaries/fr.dic but this seems only for Thunderbird. /usr/share/apps/koffice/hyphdicts/hyph_fr.dic but this seems only for hyphenation -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
> On 9/21/09, gil...@altern.org wrote: > Well, complain to yourself: you could probably have deselected them at > installation time. Yeah, probably, somewhere, I wonder why people don't check all the probably somewhere whn they install :) >> Those packages provide contributed multilingualization (m17n) input maps >> for... whatever the language. > > If you don't need them, just say > yum erase m17n\* Yeah, I suppose with yum they wouldn't come back. But what is the backslash for? Can't find any backslash in the yum man page. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why update Swahili?
> On 9/21/09, gil...@altern.org wrote: > > [...] > >> Same goes for certain software. I don't have a trace of Blutooth >> hardware >> on my system. Certainly the install program must have found that out. >> Why >> do I receive updates for Blutooth? > > What if you had a bluetooth usb dongle? How does the installer find > out about that, other than reading your mind? Well, Blutooth support could be installed whenever I insert a USB dongle but, to tell you the truth, I wasn't aware of the existence of USB dongles, so I suppose it's all right to install Blutooth support by default. Remains the cases of dictionaries, which is more complex than I thought. Why install: Jun 29 18:21:54 Updated: m17n-contrib-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:14 Updated: m17n-contrib-marathi-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:15 Updated: m17n-contrib-sinhala-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:15 Updated: m17n-contrib-oriya-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:15 Updated: m17n-contrib-assamese-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:15 Updated: m17n-contrib-telugu-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:16 Updated: m17n-contrib-urdu-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:16 Updated: m17n-contrib-kannada-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:16 Updated: m17n-contrib-hindi-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:17 Updated: m17n-contrib-gujarati-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:17 Updated: m17n-contrib-tamil-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:17 Updated: m17n-contrib-punjabi-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:18 Updated: m17n-contrib-bengali-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jun 29 18:23:18 Updated: m17n-contrib-malayalam-1.1.9-6.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:43 Updated: m17n-contrib-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:43 Updated: m17n-contrib-gujarati-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:44 Updated: m17n-contrib-kannada-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:44 Updated: m17n-contrib-punjabi-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:44 Updated: m17n-contrib-bengali-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:45 Updated: m17n-contrib-assamese-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:45 Updated: m17n-contrib-tamil-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:45 Updated: m17n-contrib-sinhala-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:46 Updated: m17n-contrib-malayalam-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:46 Updated: m17n-contrib-oriya-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:46 Updated: m17n-contrib-urdu-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:47 Updated: m17n-contrib-marathi-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:47 Updated: m17n-contrib-hindi-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Jul 19 19:53:47 Updated: m17n-contrib-telugu-1.1.9-7.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:30 Updated: m17n-contrib-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:30 Updated: m17n-contrib-urdu-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:31 Updated: m17n-contrib-marathi-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:33 Updated: m17n-contrib-assamese-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:34 Updated: m17n-contrib-hindi-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:35 Updated: m17n-contrib-telugu-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:35 Updated: m17n-contrib-kannada-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:36 Updated: m17n-contrib-punjabi-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:36 Updated: m17n-contrib-tamil-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:37 Updated: m17n-contrib-sinhala-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:37 Updated: m17n-contrib-oriya-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:38 Updated: m17n-contrib-gujarati-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:39 Updated: m17n-contrib-malayalam-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:40 Updated: m17n-contrib-bengali-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:30 Updated: m17n-contrib-urdu-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:31 Updated: m17n-contrib-marathi-1.1.10-2.fc11.noarch Aug 19 00:05:31 Updated: m17n-db-thai-1.5.5-1.fc11.noarch Those packages provide contributed multilingualization (m17n) input maps for... whatever the language. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Why update Swahili?
Swahili is certainly a nice language but, unfortunately, I write only in French and English. So, why is it that on every dictionaries updates a sleuth of them are upgraded? Do mirrors have to somehow spend more bandwidth or they're penalized? Same goes for certain software. I don't have a trace of Blutooth hardware on my system. Certainly the install program must have found that out. Why do I receive updates for Blutooth? Those are updates that I can easily identify as unnecessary, but how many are there exactly? 15% ? 20% ? Yesterday, my updates were downloaded at an average of 22 kB/sec. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The "other distro" to offer ppc support!
Phil Meyer wrote: > On 09/15/2009 05:50 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Speaking about "the other distro". According to Distrowatch, Karmic >> should >> offer ppc support, which was dropped with Feisty in April 2007: >> >> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu >> >> Talk about having ressources at hand! If I was Shuttleworth, I could >> think >> of a few other projects I could use them on... I'm sure all Maccies >> wouldn't be caught dead using Linux, will obey their Master and gladly >> upgrade their hardware to Snow Leopard compliance within 6 months. >> >> > > The PPC CPU is used in more systems that are NOT MAC than are. Count all the PPC processors you want, which percentage of them do you believe run Linux. All of them are provided with an OS and the OS for RISC processors in cars is probably designed to mesure by car manufacturers. OTOH, maybe making a version for PPC is not that time consuming and might be worth it? I have no idea. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Fedora chose me
Paul wrote: > For me, it's the only one to use - albeit rawhide has had it's > moments... like at one point if yum died during the update due to the > machine locking, the next boot would render an almost useless box... Don't forget that Rawhide is for people who want to be bleeding edge and wish to participate to development. > I giggle when I hear people shouting about OS X - to me it's BSD with a > funky front end. And a modified Mach kernel, which was developed by Carnegie-Mellon University. You must admit that Steve Jobs is really a genious for having people pay so much for open source software! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Fedora chose me
RAhul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/16/2009 05:18 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: > >> >> This said, it seems that Debian sometimes reacts faster than Fedora. >> Whereas LiVES is still, as far as I know, a bug report/wishlist in >> Fedora, >> the other distro has it included for the next release: > > That's a bad example. LiVES is not in any wishlist in Fedora and will > never be included in Fedora due to its dependency on patent encumbered > software. It might be included in a third party repository if someone > volunteers to do it. Oops! Right. You previously wrote: It can't go into Fedora but it will end up in RPM Fusion http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746 === http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-August/msg00442.html Still it's strange that Debian has accepted it for Sid... with codecs only for Ogg Theora, of course. They're usually rather strict on patents. I suppose that, because of issues with FFmpeg and Win32 codecs, Red Hat would rather not touch Mplayer with a six foot pole but, for the end user, whether Mplayer is provided by Red Hat or RPMfusion makes no difference. Davide should be glad :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The "other distro" to offer ppc support!
Derek Piazza wrote: > I love my PPC Fedora 11 Server! :-) Why is it that whatever I say, there always seems to be somebody who's only purpose is to contradict me? :) To tell you the truth, I wasn't even aware that Fedora offered a ppc version. I thought this was a typical Debian weirdos project. So, tell me, OS X and Fedora being both Unices, what advantage do you see in using Fedora over OS X? Now that you know about Linux/Fedora, unless you need specialised software such as Photoshop or FinalCut, would you invest again in Mac hardware? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
The "other distro" to offer ppc support!
Speaking about "the other distro". According to Distrowatch, Karmic should offer ppc support, which was dropped with Feisty in April 2007: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu Talk about having ressources at hand! If I was Shuttleworth, I could think of a few other projects I could use them on... I'm sure all Maccies wouldn't be caught dead using Linux, will obey their Master and gladly upgrade their hardware to Snow Leopard compliance within 6 months. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Fedora chose me
Davide wrote: > I just wonder why repositories offers "so few" with respect (to) "the > other distro" Beside all the good reasons that have already been given, the utmostly "community" spirit of Debian must be considered. People take a lot of pride in being Debian developers. So, even though a package hasn't been downloaded once in the last 10 years, if a developer comes up with his package for a new release, it will be included. The same is true for Fedora, I suppose, but there might be less insistance on the part of developers to be counted as Fedora developers. This said, it seems that Debian sometimes reacts faster than Fedora. Whereas LiVES is still, as far as I know, a bug report/wishlist in Fedora, the other distro has it included for the next release: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/lives http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/lives This is an instance I am aware of. There might be others but, in the end, I doubt very much you should feel like a reject of the open source software world with Fedora :) Most likely, Lives will be part of Fedora 12. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How Fedora chose me
I just saw that the "Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch" has been continuing as some learned Fedora vs Ubuntu debate. Since I deleted those messages, I have to start a new thread. Countrary to most people here, I'm not very tech savvy. All I want is my distro to work. I have a certain age, my health is, to say the least, less than optimal and, to me, the less trouble, the better. I tried (K)Ubuntu and Debian about 2 years ago before adopting Mandriva and, with both distros, after spending 15 minutes listening to streaming audio with Amarok, I found that, on the next reboot, both my user and root passwords were changed. Not being very much into security auditing, I opted for Mandriva because, at the time, SELinux still seemed to cause issues with Fedora. Mandriva fared well except, at the end, it would take about 5 minutes to boot. Glitch or hack, I have no idea, but I put up with this for maybe two months because, the Mandriva community being less learned than the Fedora community, I didn't feel like inquiring about this very uncommon matter. As Fedora 11 came out, I bought a new computer. SELinux issues seemed to have been ironed out and I also soon found out that it was the only distro that would install with a correct 1280 x 1024 screen definition. Mandriva, for instance, never could get me to a login screen. Suse, which I would never have been caught dead using, gave me a 800 x 600 screen and, as far as I remember, it was the best of the bunch. There was a time when I fiddled in xf86config, but not anymore... So, Fedora chose me more than I chose Fedora. I was afraid that, Fedora having a bleeding edge reputation, some applications would prove unstable, but it wasn't the case. The only serious problem I had with Fedora is a kmod-nvidia package from testing was installed while I had never enabled testing. How this happened, I have no idea. Of course. I've read that deb packaging being more elaborate than rpm, upgrades are easier. I'll see. I hope it's not too complicated 'cause, for the time being, I'm in bed 12 hours a day and, on big days, I wash the dishes. I know geeks like Fedora, but I hope it keeps working for me too. Though Fedora 11 worked right out of the box two weeks after release, now that I have it installed on my computer, I might wait a month or two before I adopt the new version of Fedora. I just don't want to take chances. >From what I read along the last years, it seems that integrating SELinux seemlessly into Fedora has been a painstaking experiment. So much so that only Red Hat/Fedora went for this venture straight on without shilly-shallying. Even Suse has pretty much given up on AppArmor development, whose implementation was easier than SELinux. People here talk a lot about package management. As the security of the net is not improving and Linux market share will hopefully be increasing, I wonder if Red Hat's investments in security will not be what will finally pay off. I'm as far from a geek as anybody can be, but I certainly appreciate that Fedora chose me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
> On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:54 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to >> achieve effect X, like I provided here: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html > > The problem with these sort of recipes, quoting part of yours below, is > they fall apart when the user-interface changes (as so often happens > with courses for learning Word - the user's version is so different from > the classroom's version that the student can't repeat what they've > learnt), Students don't learn the string of commands for every operation. At first, of course, it's a pretty mechanicall process but, soon, without all the humdrum of the 1000 pags tutorials, they get they feel of how a word processor works. > Open a new document > > F11 > Standard > 4th icon > Right click Standard > Modify > Enable footer > OK > > There is no "Standard" in the dialogue when I press the F11 key. That's because I thought Standard would be pretty standard in both french and english but, in english, Standard is Default. > And > your recipe doesn't say, "Press F11 to bring up the 'style and > formatting list.'" If you press F11, style and formatting list should be pretyy much what you see. > Which means I can't do the same thing some other > way (e.g. find the same option in a menu), intuitively, because I don't > know why I'm pressing F11. If you read the titre of the F11 menu, you shouldn't be too far from discovering where it is in the menu. Anyway, I'm not suggesting that F11 should be used alone instead of using the menu. I used F11 here because it was shorter to write and I didn't have to care about what the menu options were in english. I'm sure people who know OOo well could do much better than I did with those notes that I took along the operation. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
William Case wrote: > gpelil, I was trying to tell you that there really are several ways to > set up page numbering. I will definitely have to take a closer look to Styles :) This point you made very clear. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Craig White wrote: > There used to be many choices for word processing but they have > definitely dwindled. Indeed. And the new universal spirit seems to the good old WP one, the goal being to convince the user that word processing is pure rocket science. There seems to be a huge book and course industry revolving around word processing... I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to achieve effect X, like I provided here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html I once found one such book for WP published by Sybex. It summed up both huge WP blue books in less than 200 pocket book pages, All that was missing -- to give people some reason to buy the WP crap, I suppose -- was about WP configuration, under ATL+F2, if I remember well. All the rest was there, and so easy to get to. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Tim wrote: > I don't know why people sound so surprised at that. Since the default > is not to do that, and the defaults are set by the default template, > making a new default template (one way or another) is the way to change > *your* default new documents setup. It's the same for any word > processor. I was referring to the following message from William Case. that I had completely misunderstood: Hi; On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 21:26 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:30:15 -0400 > Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > > > I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically > > other than creating a document or document template which you open for > > each new document you start. > > If you set it up as the default template it will load every time you > create a new document of that type. > You can set it up as a page style in Styles and Formats; (...) ; or, add the page style as part of template options; or, just change the template directly; or create a macro. There are several ways to number pages. Pick whichever is most convenient to you. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00833.html === >From this I had wrongly gathered that there was a possibilility to set page numbering permanently in Format => Styles as "or, add the page style as part of template options" only seemed like an option. Mr Case was certainly much clearer in his previous message in the same thread. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically other > than creating a document or document template The only way to get automatic page numbering on every new document seems indeed to create a template this way: (Note: Translation from french. Might not be 100% exact in english.) Open a new document F11 Standard 4th icon Right click Standard Modify Enable footer OK In footer: Insert Field Page number Add /, or "of". or whatever Field Total pages Save the document as a template: File Templates Save as "My template", whatever - To use the template: File New Templates and documents Select your template - To edit the template: File Templates Edit Choose template Open F11 4th icon Standard Modify - You then get automatic page numbering on every new document you open with this template. Of course, I have no idea if this is the most standard procedure, but it does seem to provide expected results. I can't help but wonder how this is accomplished in Word... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch
Kavon Farvardin wrote: > Fedora is as easy as Ubuntu to use (and I've less issues than with Ubuntu), I don't see what the fuss is about A big plus for me certainly was that it installed on my relatively new desktop hardware and everything worked no question asked. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch
Of course Distrowatch's stats don't mean much: it's only how many click a distro received. But I doubt that Fedora users, contrary to Ubuntu's users maybe, go to Distrowatch only to give the counter a ride. Here are the figures: 1 Ubuntu 2003> 2 Fedora 1605> 3 Mint1226< 4 openSUSE1171> 5 Slackware 940> 6 Debian 926> 7 Mandriva913> 8 PCLinuxOS 822< 9 Arch767< 10 Puppy 713> Not bad for a so-called bleeding-edge expert-only distro! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved] Re: Recuperating panel icons
> On Friday 11 September 2009 03:33:57 gil...@altern.org wrote: >> > I don't know how to add it back to the KDE Panel, in Gnome it is right >> > click on Panel, choose Add to Panel -> Notification Area. >> >> Solved. Thanks. >> > Please, never end a thread this way. Always say how it was solved. By doing eaxctly what was suggested, of course. All said icons do belong to the notification area. If you try removing or adding the notification area, you'll see what happens. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Solved] Re: Recuperating panel icons
> 2009/9/10 : >> As I explained here: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-August/msg02753.html >> >> a sleuth of icons have disappered from my top panel, but it seems the >> problem is only with the icons: the applications still work. >> >> For instance, I recently received a message at the bottom of the screen >> saying updates were available. I clicked "install" and everything >> apparently installed correctly. The problem is I don't have the update >> icon in the panel and I can't check which updates are available before >> they install. >> >> Same for Klipper. If I press CTRL + ALT + V, the content appears, but >> there's no icon to do so. Same for the new CUPS icon thaT checks for the >> printer, and so on. >> >> Of course, all icons have disappeared from the "Add to panel" menu. >> >> Anybody knows of some way to reinstall the icons? > > It sounds like you have lost your System Tray / Notification Area, not > the icons. > > I don't know how to add it back to the KDE Panel, in Gnome it is right > click on Panel, choose Add to Panel -> Notification Area. Solved. Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Recuperating panel icons
As I explained here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-August/msg02753.html a sleuth of icons have disappered from my top panel, but it seems the problem is only with the icons: the applications still work. For instance, I recently received a message at the bottom of the screen saying updates were available. I clicked "install" and everything apparently installed correctly. The problem is I don't have the update icon in the panel and I can't check which updates are available before they install. Same for Klipper. If I press CTRL + ALT + V, the content appears, but there's no icon to do so. Same for the new CUPS icon thaT checks for the printer, and so on. Of course, all icons have disappeared from the "Add to panel" menu. Anybody knows of some way to reinstall the icons? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yet another hack
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:17:58 +0500 (GMT-5), gil...@altern.org wrote: > >> Ok, I'm crazy, That's a given. When you're hacked, you're crazy. > > Do I understand you correctly? With the term "hacked", you claim > that somebody has acquired unauthorized access to your machine? > Instead of posting very confusing messages about icons, When 6 icons disappear in one click, to me, it's not a confusing message: there's something wrong. > have you > done anything to verify your installation (RPM, open ports, active > services, for example)? All I can say is I haven't changed any of these settings and my capacity to do security audits is more than limited, mainly now that I'm on antibiotics because of a weird summer flue. Since I have little data on my computer, I would rather do a new clean install, which might happen when I change ISP next month. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yet another hack
gilpel wrote: > On the update that preceded the most recent kernel update, the modem light > kept blinking after the whole installation was finished. For 2 or 3 > seconds, I wondered which application could be connecting to the net. When > I saw there was none -- Firefox wasn't even open -- I jumped on the modem > switch to shut it off, but the transfer had ceased. Now that I've slept on this, I remember that less than a minute after this update, 2 new updates arrived. So, it might be unrelated. I'd have to check yum.log about this but... I'll slep a little bit more on it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Yet another hack
Ok, I'm crazy, That's a given. When you're hacked, you're crazy. First time, a letter I was writing disappeared from memory. Second time, a kmod package that was from testing was uploaded, while I had never enabled testing. This morning, as often happens, I had two icons for smplayer. I erased one. In one fell swoop, all the following icons disappeared: 1) The 2 icons from smplayer 2) The icon to cut access to eth0. 3) The icon that indicates there are updates available: I was waiting for kmod to be available before installing the updates. 4) The Klipper icon. 5) A new... CUPS? icon that tries to connect the printer. This was installed recently with updates. A real pain, since my printer is almost always off. Though the icon has disappered, I still get a message saying that the printer is not connected. I tried to re-enable Klipper and never could get it to work, though ps says it's running. I removed it from the Startup applications menu and created a launcher. Didn't work. Unless I specify otherwise, the icon from application launcher appears. But when I drag the application to the desktop, while it moves, the correct klipper icon appears. Klipper still works perfectly in KDE. On the update that preceded the most recent kernel update, the modem light kept blinking after the whole installation was finished. For 2 or 3 seconds, I wondered which application could be connecting to the net. When I saw there was none -- Firefox wasn't even open -- I jumped on the modem switch to shut it off, but the transfer had ceased. Don't tell me to take all my pills: I never forget one. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved, kinda]Nvidia driver problem
William Case wrote: > If you have akmod and akmod-185.18.14 installed I am sure that > 2.6.29.6-217.2.7 and 2.6.29.6-217.2.3 will work. >From my last post yesterday, I'm sure you will understand why, at least, 2.6.29.6-217.2.3 stopped working :) > The correct nvidia > modules will be automatically built when you first boot into those > kernels. Whatever you think you may have done with akmod previously, it > is very unlikely that your problems will re-occur. When a testing kmod package was installed with dependencies and I never enabled testing, I guess anything can happen but there's probably no more danger with akmod than with anything else. >> The "I" for interactive set-up has absolutely no effect and Shift >> pg-up doesn't get you to the previous boot messages screen. > I have the same problem. I would hope someone on the list can give us a > fix or an alternate way to step through the boot process. Yes, this would be nice. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved, kinda]Nvidia driver problem
Marko Vojinovic wrote: > cat /var/log/boot.log > > in the konsole or xterm or whatever, and scroll to your heart's content > using the scrollbars. If you can boot, this is a solution. If you can't and must use a LiveCD to correct something, it's not. > Also, Shift+PageUp works in the console terminal, although it keeps the > buffer only for the last command executed, IIRC. Sorry, if you can't get to the login screen, shift+pg-up gets you nowhere. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved, kinda]Nvidia driver problem
> gilpel wrote: > >> (Maybe somebody at rpmfusion is keeping >> a low profile for supplying these as dependencies with akmod?) > > The problem was not with akmod: > > grep '185.18.31' /var/log/yum.log > Aug 06 14:34:22 Updated: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 > Aug 06 14:34:22 Updated: kmod-nvidia-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 > Aug 06 14:34:24 Updated: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 > Aug 06 14:34:36 Installed: > kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 I suppose this should mean that I enabled testing to get this kmod module, then disabled it thereafter. I didn't do this. Not a chance. I wouldn't be caught dead enabling testing. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Solved, kinda]Nvidia driver problem
gilpel wrote: > (Maybe somebody at rpmfusion is keeping > a low profile for supplying these as dependencies with akmod?) There problem was not with akmod: grep '185.18.31' /var/log/yum.log Aug 06 14:34:22 Updated: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 Aug 06 14:34:22 Updated: kmod-nvidia-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 Aug 06 14:34:24 Updated: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 Aug 06 14:34:36 Installed: kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64-185.18.31-1.fc11.x86_64 grep 'akmod' /var/log/yum.log Aug 17 13:12:42 Installed: akmods-0.3.6-3.fc11.noarch Aug 17 13:12:43 Installed: akmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 Aug 17 15:47:25 Erased: akmod-nvidia Aug 17 23:01:51 Erased: akmods -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Solved, kinda]Nvidia driver problem
Having already removed akmod-nvidia, I booted with kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64, which was the only one still working and just did: yum remove kmod-nvidia* yum install kmod-nvidia which took care of dependencies. So, not only was: kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 185.18.31-1.fc11 removed, but also: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.x86_64185.18.31-1.fc11 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.x86_64 185.18.31-1.fc11 How those packages ever got to my system, I have no idea. I never enabled rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing. (Maybe somebody at rpmfusion is keeping a low profile for supplying these as dependencies with akmod?) Now, kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.8 works, kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.7 which never worked and I considered destroyed by my experiments with akmod, still doesn't work, and kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.3, which always worked flawlessly, now doesn't work. Maybe, I should have booted to kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.8 and worked from a terminal for the remove/install operations, but I still find it strange that the .3 kernel, which always worked fine with the 185.18.14-3.fc11 Nvidia modules, doesn't work anymore with the same modules. Though the Nvidia drivers now seem to work very well with the .8 kernel, I have those error messages: boot message: Enabling the nvidia driver: /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions: line 513 :1298 Segmentation fault "$@" dmesg | grep nvidia nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. nvidia :01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 nvidia :01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 nvidia-config-d[1300]: segfault at 7f5ac400 ip 003e7dc799a4 sp 7b6f0448 error 4 in libc-2.10.1.so[3e7dc0+164000] Note that I got the boot message, that otherwise only flashes by, with the icon at the bottom of the login screen. It would have been impossible to read this message if the boot process had not terminated at the login screen. The "I" for interactive set-up has absolutely no effect and Shift pg-up doesn't get you to the previous boot messages screen. Those are not always present in dmesg or /var/log/messages and might prove helpful for troubleshooting. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike? [SOLVED -- at least for me]
> On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 10:00 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: > "185.18.31" is not a package, but a package version. I does find the package that has this package version :) > All that I can see is that you have some mis-matched files, or, a > 185.18.14 and a 185.18.31 file and akmod-nvidia is picking the wrong > one. > > > yum list installed xorg-x11-drv-nvidia* > yum list installed kmod-nvidia* > yum list installed akmod-nvidia > > yum deplist kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 might tell > you something > > I would clean everything out and start over $ yum list installed xorg-x11-drv-nvidia* (...) Installed Packages xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.x86_64185.18.31-1.fc11 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs.x86_64 185.18.31-1.fc11 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates $ yum list installed kmod-nvidia* Installed Packages kmod-nvidia.x86_64 185.18.14-1.fc11.6 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 185.18.31-1.fc11 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 185.18.14-1.fc11.5 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 185.18.14-1.fc11.6 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates $ yum list installed akmod-nvidia* Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Error: No matching Packages to list $ yum deplist kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Finding dependencies: package: kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64.x86_64 185.18.14-1.fc11.6 dependency: /sbin/depmod provider: module-init-tools.x86_64 3.7-9.fc11 dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 provider: kernel.x86_64 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11 dependency: /bin/sh provider: bash.x86_64 4.0-6.fc11 provider: bash.x86_64 4.0-7.fc11 dependency: nvidia-kmod-common >= 185.18.14 provider: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.x86_64 185.18.14-3.fc11 So, from this, it is quite clear that I must remove/install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia* and kmod-nvidia* > yum install kmod-nvidia* akmod-nvidia I see no reason to install akmod-nvidia, akmods or whatever. I will do a backup and do this as soon as I can. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike? [SOLVED -- at least for me]
> Hi gilpel; > > I repeat my warning. I am new at playing around with video drivers, > sockets and libraries. But I am willing to help if I can. Other weird things: yum search "185.18.31" Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit === Matched: 185.18.31 === xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.x86_64 : NVIDIA's proprietary display driver for NVIDIA : graphic cards yum install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia.x86_64 Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Package matching xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.14-3.fc11.x86_64 already installed. Checking for update. Nothing to do Before anybody understands what exactly is going on, I'm afraid trying this and that will only cause more trouble. Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike? [SOLVED -- at least for me]
> Hi gilpel; > > On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 02:04 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> > On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 09:36 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: > >> > Again, any messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages >> > or /var/log/Xorg.0.log? >> >> Yes this one, in dmesg: >> >> NVRM: API mismatch: the client has version 185.18.31 but this kernel >> module has version 185.18.14 >> >> If I boot with kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64 and I >> uninstall/install >> kmod-nvidia, I still get version 185.18.14. >> > and for > kernel.x86_64 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11 s > kernel.x86_64 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11 > > kmod-nvidia version 185.18.14 is what you are supposed to get. Then, why do I have: locate "185.18.31" /usr/lib64/nvidia/libGL.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libGLcore.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libcuda.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libnvidia-cfg.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libnvidia-tls.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libvdpau.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libvdpau_nvidia.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/libvdpau_trace.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/nvidia/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.185.18.31 /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia/libglx.so.185.18.31 I never enabled rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing , but somebody suggested that I install kernel-headers and *kernel-devel* for akmod. Is this possibly the reason? >> If I boot with kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.9.fc11.x86_64 and I >> uninstall/install >> kmod-nvidia, will I get version 185.18.31 ? > > Where did you get kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.9.fc11.x86_64? Nowhere, it's a typo. I did a uname -r and replaced the 3 by a 9 instead of an 8. > Why not stick with kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11 ? It certainly is my intention. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike? [SOLVED -- at least for me]
> On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 09:36 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> >> > I.E. Pay attention to what you are doing! >> >> I'm trying :) But I never enabled rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing, and >> I >> installed the new update for kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64. >> >> First time I rebooted, boot stopped, just where it used to with >> -217.2.7: >> "r8169: eth0: link up" . I checked if there was any akmod left to mess >> things up and all I found was /var/cache/akmods. I supposed this was >> unrelated, but I deleted it just the same. Now, the boot process stops >> at >> "atd". > > If you are trying to restore a pristine F11 system, don't forget to > remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf. An xorg.conf that was exactly the same was written. > Again, any messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages > or /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Yes this one, in dmesg: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has version 185.18.31 but this kernel module has version 185.18.14 If I boot with kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.x86_64 and I uninstall/install kmod-nvidia, I still get version 185.18.14. If I boot with kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.9.fc11.x86_64 and I uninstall/install kmod-nvidia, will I get version 185.18.31 ? BTW, when I booted and could get nowhere, I opened a terminal and tried to see the messages that had gone by. Shift + PageUP used to give access to previous boot screens in Linux. What is it in Fedora? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike? [SOLVED -- at least for me]
> Hi; > > To whom it may concern: > >> > If you got that from RPMfusion, it's from the >> > rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing repo. >> > Yes it was. >> I am not sure whether it came from the rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing >> repo or not. In frustration, at one point I might have downloaded it >> from the testing repo. >> > > As a warning to others and a good lesson(s) relearned: > > 1) in an attempt to solve another unrelated problem I enabled > rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing repo. I forgot to disable it > afterwards. > > 2) later when I went looking for a kmod-nvidia driver, the driver from > testing showed up. Without reading carefully, and thinking it was the > latest stable driver, I installed it. From there on everything went > wonky. > I.E. Pay attention to what you are doing! I'm trying :) But I never enabled rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing, and I installed the new update for kernel 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64. First time I rebooted, boot stopped, just where it used to with -217.2.7: "r8169: eth0: link up" . I checked if there was any akmod left to mess things up and all I found was /var/cache/akmods. I supposed this was unrelated, but I deleted it just the same. Now, the boot process stops at "atd". -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
> On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 06:28 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 03:06 -0400, William Case wrote: >> > Hi; >> >> > If it is any consolation to you, I am having exactly the same problem >> > with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel. >> > akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and >> > kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64q is >> > the last nvidia module I have received. >> >> In what sense does akmod "not work"? Do you get messages at boot, in >> dmesg, or in /var/log/messages? >> > > I removed the akmod-nvidia and reinstalled, just to see. On rebooting, > both the 2.7 and the 2.8 kernels freeze during init with "r8169: eth0: > link up" showing on an otherwise blank screen. I have waited for over 5 > minutes for the kernel(s) to rebuild but my machine just remained > inactive. Exactly the problem I have. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:10:21 +0300 > Gilboa Davara wrote: >> 1,2,3... >> 4. Restart X. > > I've also used akmod on systems that needed it, and did > not have to do any of those things, they all just happened > automagically via "yum install akmod-nvidia" I suppose that's how it should work too. Except it doesn't. Try as you might all "change this and change that", if rpmfusion can't get akmod out, I figure I won't do better here. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
Bill wrote: > I am having exactly the same problem > with the 2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 kernel. > akmod-nividia-185.18.14-1.fc11.x86_64 doesn't work and > kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64 is > the last nvidia module I have received. I received it too. Unfortunately, my experiences with akmod fucked up everything. Now I can't install it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
>>On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:25 PM, wrote: >> They weren't bad until now. For the last 3-4 kernel updates, which is >> the >> time I've been using them, updates came real fast. Then, with >> 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64, I decided to give akmod a try, and it was >> a >> complete failure. (Of course, that was with my video card, an Asus >> EN9400GT.) > > Just an FYI, I searched the release notes from Nvidia[1] and it lists > two 9400 GT cards are supported. The device ID's are 0x042C & 0x0641. > You can try "lspci -nn | grep VGA" and see if your's is one of the > two. For instance, my output is: Mine is the 0x0641. > Also, I'm not sure what is going wrong with your akmod package but it > works like a charm for me. Do you have the kernel-devel package > installed for your current kernel? I can never remember if > kernel-headers is required too or not so I just install both. A total of 18 packages, if I remember well, are installed with akmod and you have nothing on your system for development, and those are part of the kit. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
> On 08/21/2009 08:51 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Oops! So you do need additional RPMs and RPMfusion doesn't provide them. >> Which kinda seem to close the case. > No, you don't need additional RPMs. > > Instead of installing "kmod-nvidia" you would install "nvidia-x11-drv". This would be the file that you attached. And I put it where? /boot? > Just change the version to the version of the nVidia driver you wish to use. I suppose, for me, it would be 185.18.14-1 > When you install the package DKMS will build the kernel module. > Make sure you remove all kmod/akmod packages before hand. It seems pretty straightforwward, but so did it with akmod and it didn't work, maybe because I have a newer video card than most people who suggested using akmod. And maybe that's the problem the people at RPMfusion are dealing with: certain cards might not play nice with the new kernel. (For sure, by this time, they should have issued a communiqué. This really is a piss off!) I have no idea but, you know, when you're not an experienced user, any little detail that you didn't get right, is apt to send you into a nightmare that you feel you'll never get out of. That's why people like me prefer the most standard solutions that let people with more knowledge deal with the problems. I did save your file, though. If RPMfusion stops providing kmod, I'll certainly give it a try before reverting to Nouveau. Maybe other people here will agree with you that DKMS is more convenient than akmod, give it a try and ask RPMfusion to change its way of doing things. Certainly, I must thank you for merely bringing to my attention the existence of DKMS. I'm eager to see the comments you will receive from more learned people. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > The Fedora kernel RPM even has DKMS hooks that trigger a module rebuild when it is updated. Nice! > You don't have to worry about having a corresponding RPM to match the kernel. This means no additional RPMs are built or required when you update the Fedora kernel package. Nicer! Later on: > Your nVidia RPM needs to be tailored for DKMS use. Oops! So you do need additional RPMs and RPMfusion doesn't provide them. Which kinda seem to close the case. > The RPM Fusion folks prefer the kmod package system. Given my expertise on the matter, I'm afraid giving an opinion wouldn't help you much. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?
> On 08/21/2009 04:53 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: >> Until now, kmod-nvidia updates were provided within 24 hours. Did the Nouveau developers complain that updates were coming too soon? Is RPMfusion experiencing problems with akmod-nvidia? :) Or are they plainly >> on strike? I can't find information anywhere. > > This is why kmods are bad. They weren't bad until now. For the last 3-4 kernel updates, which is the time I've been using them, updates came real fast. Then, with 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64, I decided to give akmod a try, and it was a complete failure. (Of course, that was with my video card, an Asus EN9400GT.) > I still use the "old" DKMS package Now, you tell me that DKMS, which is a less specific tool, would do a better job? > that I > update for newer driver versions only, not kernels. So, if there's a kernel security update, as at least the 2 last updates were, you don't update? > Sure you could use > the akmod package if you want more packages installed but I do not. What does "if you want more packages installed" mean? I just want want my video card to work with the most recent kernel. > File a bug with RPM Fusion as posting here is pointless. Yes, I could register to a non-developer mailing list at RPMfusion, where there's next to nobody, and ask what the hell is going on. But the fact that an update is not issued is not a bug: they might have a problem providing the update. I thought maybe someone here could have an idea of what this problem is. > Demand DKMS while you are at it. Why should I ask DKMS? yum search dkms Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit === Matched: dkms === dkms.noarch : Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework It seems all I have to do is install DKMS. Maybe you could explain what happens afterwards. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Is RPMfusion on strike?
My last kernel was installed on: Aug 17 23:07:07 Installed: kernel-2.6.29.6-217.2.8.fc11.x86_64 The last updates for kmod-nvidia were: # 16-Aug-2009: kmod-nvidia-2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64 # 16-Aug-2009: kmod-nvidia-185.18.14-1.fc11.5.x86_64 http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/11/x86_64/repoview/index.html Until now, kmod-nvidia updates were provided within 24 hours. Did the Nouveau developers complain that updates were coming too soon? Is RPMfusion experiencing problems with akmod-nvidia? :) Or are they plainly on strike? I can't find information anywhere. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FAQ on Software Patents
> You could have waited a while for someone else to reply to that thread, > and begin from there :), or you were too anxious to reply! I'm not sure there will be any answer here since Rahul suggests posting on the wiki. I'm not even sure there will be an answer on the wiki, but I had a problem with MoinMoin :) Talk:Software Patents >From FedoraProject Jump to: navigation, search The following metadata was found in MoinMoin that could not be converted to a useful value in MediaWiki: * acl: EditGroup:read,write All:read so I made a short answer here. I do not wish to comment further. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Akmod-nvidia problem
Richard Shaw wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:29 PM, wrote: >> Of course, YMMV, but, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't advise anybody >> to use akmod-nvidia. >> >> Any way out of this mess? > > I know I've been guilty of it at times but you have to be careful > drawing those types of conclusions from one experience. I've used the > akmod-nvidia package for some time without issue and since this is the > first posting I've read where someone did have an issue it doesn't > look to be that common. As I said, YMMV :) For now, there's a new kernel again and I'll see how it works with kmod-nvidia tomorrow. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
(no subject)
Sorry, I've deleted the "FAQ on Software Patents" started by Rahul Sundaram. so I'll have to answer in a new thread. Rahul Sundaram wrote: > From time to time, the same questions come up on MP3 and other patent > related things and I have written up some answers at > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents > If you have other related questions, feel free to ask and I will try to > answer them in the wiki. Note that I am not a lawyer and this is not > legal advice. This almost looks like a follow-up to the thread "What are Microsoft codecs?" that some real Linux lovers pretty much succeeded in trashing. Unfortunately, the legal approach of Mr Sundaram still doesn't answer this enigma: if proprietary document formatting is just defining an awfully more complex and secret way of producing bold than , then what are media codecs exactly? But I'm sure all those who pretended that fedora-list wasn't the place to hold such a discussion will be happy to join in. As for myself, I'll just suggest another subject for reflection. While most Fedora supporters here agree with Microsoft that market share is totally unimportant to Fedora, while Ubuntu LTS is released every second year and supported for 5 on servers, will Red Hat leave the road open to former Thawte CEO to get all the user base? Does Red Hat really think that Fedora users will buy RHEL because they dig GIMP 2.2 so much? I had a fair chance to observe how non-profit organisations were run in the recent years and I really thought that a company on the Stock Exchange would be different. Now, I'm beginning to wonder. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Akmod-nvidia problem
Since Matthew Saltzman was clear about it: "I'm surprised the thread has gone on this long without pointing this out: "If you install the akmod-nvidia package, it will rebuild the driver automatically when you boot a new kernel." http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg49518.html and there certainly was no strong disagreement, after I received the 2.6.29.6-217.2.7.fc11.x86_64 kernel, I installed akmod-nvidia and rebooted. It didn't work. About 2 hours later, the kmod module was available and I knew it had worked well until now. So, I uninstalled akmod and rebooted. It didn't work. I un/reinstalled the kernel. Didn't work. Uninstalled/installed kmod. Didn't work. On the first reboot, I got something like: audit(xxx):auid=xxx ses=xxx subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:50 op=remove rulekey=(null) list=2 res=1 audit(xxx):audit_enabled=0 old=1 auid=xxx ses=xxx subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:50 res=1 Then, when I reboot, the boot process stops at eth0:link up or Starting atd: [OK]. Then it freezes. Of course, YMMV, but, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't advise anybody to use akmod-nvidia. Any way out of this mess? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HDA Intel sound card problem
dariusz rojewski wrote: > I launched kde and set gstreamer backend but it didn't help. Ehm.. stupid > intel. Under centos,pld (and opensuse as i remember) it works.. In ubuntu > doesn't work. but i didn't notice any special diffrences between > configuration fedora and centos or pld. weird. Thanks Anne. Apparently, Intel sent out those upgrades without checking anything. See today's Distrowatch. I won't read all the thread but, if nobody came out with a remedy, time might be the only one... or buying an NVIDIA card. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HACKED!
> 2009/8/13 : > The irrelevant crap said my memory was hacked, a rather rare occurrence with SELinux and modern hardware. So I had to make sure nobody would pretend my nose just dove on the delete key. But, I'm sure you will say it just the same now. >> Does anybody know the PATH to their default application for ASX files? I >> really want to give that Bell/Microsoft service another try ASAP. > > *My* system plays ASX files in Totem: > [...@samlap ~]$ grep video/x-ms-asf /usr/share/applications/defaults.list > video/x-ms-asf=totem.desktop; > > Totem is installed as /usr/bin/totem > > Of course, I recognise that you don't like Totem and will probably > follow this up with a lengthy rant about how the Totem/Gstreamer guys > don't care about you and playing your favourite Website - apparently > Mplayer does play that website, but you don't know what the path to > the Gnome Mplayer binary is and are incapable of searching for it > yourself. Well, it seems there are a few things you don't know yourself. I have /usr/share/applications/defaults.list set to Totem all the way, and Totem appears nowhere in Firefox Preferences Applications. Other defaults.list files don't correspond to Firefox settings either. Have a nice day! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
HACKED!
Monday, the 10th, my provider was offline once again. Some repairs were needed at Bell/Microsoft's CO. So I thought it was time to write a letter which I had postponed. Two hours later, the service was back and I did some research. When I came back to my text, I saw it was blank except for the date and the recepient's name and address. I closed AbiWord and was asked if I wanted to save the text. Of course, I... didn't, but most newbies would have: man, you've got to save whatever is left of that file! Whatever changes I later made were never saved: the text always came back to the previous version. I had to finish the text offline. Thereafter, it's with video that I had problems. At Radio-Canada/Microsoft, nothing would play. I checked Edit, Prefrences, Applications in Firefox and the settings were all wrong. I closed/restarted Firefox, everything was back to normal. But soon, the list of applications was shortened by half and, for whatever was left, the usual defaults weren't available to select. I even had Windows Media Player for playing Windows Media files! Yesterday, the service was off for close to 24 hours at my ISP: the equipment at Bell/Microsoft's CO was really antiquated and had to be changed. That's after they came to repair my line twice in the last 4 months! You can see that Bell/Microsoft really dig that Linux users don't care about market share: they give top service! So, I desinstalled/installed the MM applications and, after some playing around, everything almost "seemed" back to normal... with GNOME-MPlayer for playing ASF/WM files by default. For ASX, I believe Amarok was still suggested :) Since it's impossible to see the properties of GNOME-MPlayer -- a default which looks rather weird, since it's supposed to be only an interface to MPlayer --,I chose /usr/bin/mplayer, but I'm still asked to install MPlayer. Does anybody know the PATH to their default application for ASX files? I really want to give that Bell/Microsoft service another try ASAP. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
