Re: Flash Problem

[Suvayu Ali]

On Friday 08 January 2010 05:29 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:


Because of DRM, it even seems unsure the BBC�itself will use it:




A very interesting read. Thank you
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Re: Flash Problem

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Hi Marcel,

On Thursday 07 January 2010 10:59 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:


# yum install libcurl.i686


This might be your problem. Try this instead,

# yum install libcurl


Transaction Check Error:
   package libcurl-7.19.7-3.fc11.x86_64 (which is newer than
libcurl-7.19.7-2.fc12.i686) is already installed
   package libcurl-7.19.7-3.fc11.i586 (which is newer than
libcurl-7.19.7-2.fc12.i686) is already installed

Error Summary
-


I think you are running a 64 bit system, and since you explicitly 
specified the 32 bit package, there was a conflict. However this should 
not be happening as I was under the impression that you can have both 
32-bit and 64-bit installed simultaneously.


If you are running a 64-bit system, I would urge you to try the 64-bit 
flash tarball available here[1].


Good Luck and Happy New Year.

[1]http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
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Re: fc12 installer fails with Gigabyte GA-EP45 SATA RAID 1

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Hi Chris,

On Wednesday 06 January 2010 01:45 AM, Chris Mugdan wrote:

On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 22:28 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote:


On Tuesday 05 January 2010 01:33 PM, Chris Mugdan wrote:

I am trying to install fc12 i386 on a PC based on the Gigabyte
GA-EP45-UD3L motherboard with SATA RAID. It is an Intel chipset. I am
using RAID 1 (mirror).


I believe the RAID controllers in these boards are not true hardware
RAID. They are called fake RAID or BIOS RAID, which is a form of
software RAID. Under these circumstances wouldn't it be better if you
were to use software RAID built into linux? Try `man mdadm' for more
details.

I believe the only situation these RAID controllers are worth the
trouble is when you have a dual boot system where the "other OS" doesn't
recognize Linux software RAID *cough M$ cough* .


Thanks for that. You are right that it is not true RAID, but it worked
with fc8 and fc11 and I expected it to work with fc12 too. I have looked
briefly at software RAID but did not pursue it. I shall look at it again
when I have a moment but in the mean time, if there is a solution for
the "RAID" controller I have it would be good.



I'm just guessing here, you can try a BIOS update. But like you the last 
time I tried these on-board "RAID controllers" was with F8. Sorry 
couldn't be of much help.



Cheers,
Chris


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Re: fc12 installer fails with Gigabyte GA-EP45 SATA RAID 1

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On Tuesday 05 January 2010 01:33 PM, Chris Mugdan wrote:

I am trying to install fc12 i386 on a PC based on the Gigabyte
GA-EP45-UD3L motherboard with SATA RAID. It is an Intel chipset. I am
using RAID 1 (mirror).


I believe the RAID controllers in these boards are not true hardware 
RAID. They are called fake RAID or BIOS RAID, which is a form of 
software RAID. Under these circumstances wouldn't it be better if you 
were to use software RAID built into linux? Try `man mdadm' for more 
details.


I believe the only situation these RAID controllers are worth the 
trouble is when you have a dual boot system where the "other OS" doesn't 
recognize Linux software RAID *cough M$ cough* .



Regards,
Chris Mugdan



HTH
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Rendering chart from bootchart

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Hi everyone,

I have been seeing very long boot times for the last few months so I ran 
bootchart. But I can't render the chart after booting. The web interface 
seems to be down. And the java application supplied with bootchart 
generates the following error.



$ java -jar /usr/share/java/bootchart.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
org/apache/commons/cli/ParseException
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: 
org.apache.commons.cli.ParseException
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:319)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:264)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:332)
Could not find the main class: org.bootchart.Main. Program will exit.


I have the Java Development Kit files installed:


$ rpm -qa *openjdk*
java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-30.b16.fc11.x86_64
java-1.6.0-openjdk-devel-1.6.0.0-30.b16.fc11.x86_64
java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0-30.b16.fc11.x86_64


What seems to be wrong?

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Re: Best way to get minimal system

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On Monday 04 January 2010 07:24 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

2010/1/5 suvayu ali:


If you want customised partitioning scheme then text based install is
not a good idea. I still think trying out the netinstall image would
be the best bet for the OP.



I tested this, but the netinstaller still defaults to installing a
full desktop environment (unless I'm doing something wrong). The
difference is that it connects to online repositories instead of using
a local DVD.



I just tried this myself on a VM, all you need to do is uncheck those 
package groups. As I mentioned earlier, if you need custom partitioning 
then the text install is a no go. Simply put the graphical installer is 
much more capable compared to the text based counterpart. I would stick 
to that as much as I could.


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Re: default addresses in thunderbird

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On Monday 04 January 2010 03:09 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:

Ever since Thunderbird went to 3.0 (or just before that), I've had this
problem:
When composing a new email, I type in a part of the name of recipient
and it auto-suggests the emails -- the problem is that the ALTERNATE
emails are the first ones in the suggestion. I write an email to my
boss, and Thunderbird suggests his pesonal email as the default.

Anyone else see this or is it just me?



It does do that, but not with all my contacts! Some of the suggestions 
are accurate. Strange ...


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Re: Best way to get minimal system

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2010/1/4 Andre Robatino :
> If you do a text-based install (add "text" to the installer's kernel
> options, or automatic if you have less than the minimum RAM for a GUI
> install), you'll get an extremely stripped-down installation (less than
> 200 packages for F11) whether you want it or not - the text-based
> installer doesn't offer any package choices anymore.
>

If you want customised partitioning scheme then text based install is
not a good idea. I still think trying out the netinstall image would
be the best bet for the OP.

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Re: Best way to get minimal system

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2010/1/4 Konstantin Svist :
> On 01/04/2010 04:28 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> The LiveCD version basic but functional.
>>
>
> The LiveCD is fairly basic, yes, but it still installs ~1.5G if I
> remember correctly. It has a lot of packages that are not always
> necessary, like gimp and multimedia packages.
>
> I wanted to set up a fileserver (the hardware doesn't even have a normal
> video output, only a header on the motherboard) and had to remove a
> bunch of packages to trim the fat.
>
> I know there's a spin of Fedora for appliances -- that one definitely
> sounds and looks minimal -- but it's not a bootable/installable CD.
>

You can always try the netinstall image.

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Re: help - recovering virtual machine

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Hi Gene,

On Sunday 03 January 2010 08:40 PM, Mail Lists wrote:

On 01/03/2010 10:43 PM, suvayu ali wrote:


Try /etc/libvirt/qemu for the xml files.



  Holy smoke - you're right!!

  I never woulda guessed it would be in /etc ... who would have thunk!!!
Shouldn't it be in /var/lib or whatever?



Technically speaking, all settings stuff go to /etc and the xml files 
would probably be considered settings for the virtual machines.


I would suggest look into the virsh interactive command line to manage 
your virtual machines. Its way more efficient compared to the gui. To 
open one, try `virsh --connect qemu:///system'. You can see all the 
commands with `help' and more specifics about every commands with `help 
'.



  Thank you!



I found this the hard way about a week back. Hope this helps you. And 
Happy New Year to all. :)

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Re: help - recovering virtual machine

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Hi Gene,

2010/1/3 Mail Lists :
> On 01/03/2010 08:10 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> the vm ?
>>
>> The simplest way is to regularly backup your machine definitions
>> via "virsh dumpxml name > name.xml", then you can recover the
>> machine definition via "virsh define name.xml". If you can still
>> boot f11, that would be the way to go.
>
>  I have backups of the entire disk but cannot still boot f11. Is that
> .xml file stored somewhere ?
>
>  I looked in /var/lib/libvirt/ but didnt find anything useful
>

Try /etc/libvirt/qemu for the xml files.

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Re: Codecs for VLC

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On Saturday 02 January 2010 01:23 PM, Jim wrote:

On 01/02/2010 02:22 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

Okay. Now's the time for more details. What kind of DVD videos are you
trying to play: commercial, private, off brand, foreign, pirated,
etc.? What happens, shows on the monitor, etc. when you insert the
DVD? What does dmesg report? Do music and data DVD/CDs work okay?

B


Commercial videos is where I have the problems.

Data DVD/CDs work okay.

There is no error messages in /var/log/messages, I run the command tail
-f /var/log/messages and get no output when I run VLC from command line.

$ vlc

VLC media player 1.0.4 Goldeneye

[0x1b24098] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use
'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.

[0x7ffdc8001478] vcd access error: no movie tracks found

[0x7ffde4000c98] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null)

[0x7ffdc8001258] vcd access error: no movie tracks found

[0x7ffde40018b8] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null)



I think this might be the problem. Right now I am watching a commercial 
DVD with VLC. (totem also works) What does `dmesg |tail -20' give you? 
On my system this is what I get when I put DVDs in my DVD drive.



UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount
UDF-fs INFO UDF: Mounting volume 'CHIUCK_SEASON_1_DISC_1', timestamp 2008/06/24 
08:42 (1e20)
SELinux: initialized (dev sr0, type udf), uses genfs_contexts
UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount
UDF-fs INFO UDF: Mounting volume 'VAI-D1', timestamp 2009/08/12 11:05 (1e20)
SELinux: initialized (dev sr0, type udf), uses genfs_contexts


PS: I am making a wild guess, could you try something like this to play 
your DVD: `vlc dvd:///dev/sr0'


btw, Seabiscuit is one awesome movie.
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Re: Codecs for VLC

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Hi Jim,

On Saturday 02 January 2010 07:54 AM, Jim wrote:

both VLC and libdvdcss was installed with Yum.



I think it would be better if you could provide us with more 
information. Try to run vlc from a terminal, try with other media 
players. Look in dmesg for clues when you insert a DVD, maybe your 
problem is not with the media players.


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Re: A great LAUGH for all Fedora users today

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2009/12/31 Mikkel :
> On 12/30/2009 08:30 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> On Wednesday 30 December 2009 05:58 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> Having someone change the Linux root password would be better how? I
>>> guess I don't know enough about Win7 to know why this is funny.
>>>
>>
>> I think he means the root password would prevent a user from doing
>> anything drastic. Changing the password of a regular user could easily
>> solved by root. Whereas in Windows most of the time a regular user logs
>> in with admin privileges.
>>
> You would think that display machines would be set up with a guest
> account. Limiting logins to the guest account drastically reduces
> the damage you can do. (Does Win7 offer the guest login?)
>

Yes I believe that would be the right way to do it, and I think the
newer versions of Windows still have that feature.

After all a system is as secure as you set it up to be, right? Even a
badly setup linux machine can be more vulnerable than well setup
Windows machine..

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Re: A great LAUGH for all Fedora users today

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On Wednesday 30 December 2009 05:58 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jim wrote:

I was at the Super Walmart today in Indianapolis In., to check out the
new Mini-laptops w/ MS7 and wanted to see how it look, all the laptops
on display was asking for a PASSWOED, Ask a Walmart employee what was
the password to check them out, she said some customer had changed all
the passwords and they couldn't into them.
I just had to say to her , Thank God for Linux and Super User password.


Having someone change the Linux root password would be better how? I
guess I don't know enough about Win7 to know why this is funny.



I think he means the root password would prevent a user from doing 
anything drastic. Changing the password of a regular user could easily 
solved by root. Whereas in Windows most of the time a regular user logs 
in with admin privileges.


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Re: fedora

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Hi Parag,

On Tuesday 29 December 2009 10:10 PM, parag wrote:

hi I want fedora DVD of karmic 9.10
can any body send me or is there any site from where i can request it



I think you have been misinformed that Karmic is a Fedora release. The 
latest Fedora release is Fedora 12 Constantine. Whereas the latest 
Ubuntu release is Karmic 9.04. You can download either of them from the 
following web pages,


* Fedora 12 Constantine - http://www.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
* Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala - http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download

And this Mailing list is for the support of Fedora users. If you use 
Fedora and get stuck, you are welcome to ask here for help. If you use 
Ubuntu and get stuck, try asking to the Ubuntu community, 
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport


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thinkfinger for ThinkPad fingerprint scanner missing on F12?

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Hi everyone,

I got my hands on a brand new ThinkPad in the last week. While setting 
things up, I noticed that thinkfinger is missing from the F12 although 
its present in the F11 repos. Is their any reasons behind this?


From my 64-bit F11 desktop:

$ sudo yum list thinkfinger
Available Packages
thinkfinger.i586   0.3-9.fc11 fedora
thinkfinger.x86_64 0.3-9.fc11 fedora


From my 32-bit F12 ThinkPad:

# yum list thinkfinger
Error: No matching Packages to list


All the usual repos are enabled on both machines.

If thinkfinger is not available on F12, would it be a wise decision to 
install the F11 packages in F12?


Any thoughts welcome.

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

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Hi Paul,

On Monday 28 December 2009 09:21 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Ed Greshko wrote:


The man page tells you under what conditions the various files
(/etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login etc) are read depending on
what type of shell (interactive, login).
Are you saying there is a situation not covered?

Remember, everything that is executed is executed under a shell.


I think part of my confusion is that I am not understanding whether a
login shell covers everything that is done once I have logged in via
splash screen or if it is confined to "logining into a shell". If the
former, then I would assume bash_profiles is hit once and everything
done thereafter would be under its command. If the latter, then I am
probably unclear about whether launching a terminal is a "login" act
(hence under bash_profile only within that shell).



I think a small experiment is in order. Open up any terminal emulator of 
your choice, go fullscreen (well just stretching it to be really big 
should be enough for the experiment ;) )


Now run the following,

$ ps uf -u `whoami`

The output might be a little truncated on the right depending on the 
size of your monitor, but that is not too important. As you can see, the 
command to start your desktop is initiated by a shell. So if you setup 
your environment variables appropriately, then all those should be 
available to the shell starting your desktop. This allows you to have a 
consistent environment for your applications no matter how you launch 
them, from a terminal or from the gui of your desktop.


The lesson to learn here are the differences between shells/apps 
inheriting the environment of its parent shell/process depending on how 
you set the environment.


If you are interested, you can try another small experiment to see for 
yourself what I mean. Try putting this in your ~/.bash_profile,


export PATH=$PATH:${HOME}/bin

And then put a symbolic link to some small application of your choice in 
your ${HOME}/bin.


For example I did this, (I chose thunar as I use XFCE)

$ ln -s -T `which thunar` ${HOME}/bin/fakethunar

Now logout and log back in. Try running `fakethunar' with the Alt-F2 
dialogue. It will open up thunar. Now comment out those lines, logout, 
login again and repeat that. You will get an error message. You can do 
many different variations of this to explore some more subtleties. But I 
think this paints a clearer picture now. :)




Paul



Have fun hacking.

PS: This kind of info is usually in the FILES or INVOCATION section of 
the man pages.

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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

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Hi Aaron,

On Monday 28 December 2009 02:11 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 03:04 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote:

~/.bash_profile gets sourced by any "well behaved" desktop environment
when ever you login. In my experience XFCE and WindowMaker does this. (I
don't use Gnome/KDE as often, so can't comment on them).

~/.bashrc gets sourced when ever you open an interactive shell, maybe by
opening a terminal emulator or login in remotely.

This means whenever you login remotely both ~/.bash_profile&  ~/.bashrc
gets sourced. However if you open a terminal emulator like
gnome-terminal or xterm only your ~/.bashrc gets sourced.


It is my impression that.bashrc is souurced whenever any program is run
in a bash environment. I am willing to be corrected.



By bash environment if you mean a terminal emulator then that is exactly 
what I meant in my previous post. However if for example you run 
something using a menu or shortcut on your desktop or maybe Alt-F2 then 
~/.bashrc is _not_ sourced, and environment variables defined there 
won't be available to you. If you want something like that, you need to 
define it in your ~/.bash_profile.


Hope this makes my point clearer. :)
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Re: Update broke my Quake 4 game ...

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On Monday 28 December 2009 04:03 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:53:33 -0800, Suvayu wrote:


Try `grep 'Dec 27' /var/log/yum.log'. Where December 27th is the date
when you updated your machine.


Plus the good oldrpm -qa --last|lessstill works fine, too.



I wasn't aware of this one. Thanks Michael. :)

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Re: Update broke my Quake 4 game ...

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On Monday 28 December 2009 03:43 PM, Dennis Mattingly wrote:

I've been running Quake 4 from my Fedora 11 box for a while.

And today, a system update broke the game.
(It runs, but some models fail to load, and after a while it crashes).

I think it was a pam update, or something.

How I can list the most recent updates on my machine?
I'm not ready to lose it all just yet...



Try `grep 'Dec 27' /var/log/yum.log'. Where December 27th is the date 
when you updated your machine.


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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

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Hi Paul,

On Sunday 27 December 2009 10:52 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Suvayu Ali wrote:


If the OP is interested, the command line way to do this would be to
have one of your login scripts like ~/.bash_profile say,

setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

;)

Suvayu:

Thanks, this is interesting. So it is in .bash_profile and not .bashrc?
Is there a similar way to do in either cshrc or, preferably, tcshrc?



~/.bash_profile gets sourced by any "well behaved" desktop environment 
when ever you login. In my experience XFCE and WindowMaker does this. (I 
don't use Gnome/KDE as often, so can't comment on them).


~/.bashrc gets sourced when ever you open an interactive shell, maybe by 
opening a terminal emulator or login in remotely.


This means whenever you login remotely both ~/.bash_profile & ~/.bashrc 
gets sourced. However if you open a terminal emulator like 
gnome-terminal or xterm only your ~/.bashrc gets sourced.


So ideally, (As Tim said in a later post) your environment variables 
should be defined in your ~/.bash_profile where as your aliases and 
functions should be defined in ~/.bashrc.


What I say is true assuming your login shell is bash. Since you asked 
about csh or tcsh, as far as I understood from a quick look at the 
respective manpages (section: startup and shutdown) they behave 
differently. There is no file corresponding to ~/.bash_profile for 
either of them. (maybe this is how C-shells behave?) However ~/.tcshrc 
or ~/.cshrc does get sourced (in that order). So you can define this in 
one of those files and see whether this works.



Paul



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Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace

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On Sunday 27 December 2009 11:06 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:42:19 -0800
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:


To all:

Installed f12 without any problems.

Discovered that crtl-alt-backspace was disabled in f12 and how I
could edit my xorg.conf to restore that feature.


How did you discover this? Trying it in a gnome desktop? :)


Searched Fedora f12 web pages and they told me to install
system-config-display to create an xorg.conf that matched the default
that the opSys was using. Worked great and, to use the cliché,
"groovy"


Don't do that. See:

http://ryanler.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/controlaltbackspace-shortcut-does-not-restart-the-x-server-in-fedora-11/

(with screenshots even! :)

There is no need at all to make an xorg.conf, and as you have seen it
can cause problems moving forward.

kevin



If the OP is interested, the command line way to do this would be to 
have one of your login scripts like ~/.bash_profile say,


setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

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Re: Compiz -- Discussion

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On Saturday 26 December 2009 09:49 AM, William Case wrote:

Hi;

I just want to get some user thoughts and points on using Compiz.

I tried it a couple of Fedora versions ago.  It was kind of cute using
the spinning cube for workspaces and wobbly windows for a short while
but I soon returned to using Metacity.  Now that Compiz is more mature
and more people are using it, is there any advantages to trying it
again.  Any preferred modes etc.

I do include a 'fun' desktop amongst the possible advantages.



I think compiz provides us with a very intuitive graphical way to manage 
our workspaces and windows along with some completely useless just for 
fun stuff.


I personally don't use it because I use the proprietary drivers for 3D 
and compiz is not very stable with them. However I do play around with 
stuff sometimes. I would suggest you try the Expo plugin and the 
shift-switcher for windows across all workspaces. You can also try the 
zoom desktop plugin. I have also seen on youtube people grouping 
windows, and then switching through groups to manage them but I 'm yet 
to figure it out for myself.


If it were _just eye-candy_, so many developers wouldn't have spent so 
much of their time on the project.


Just my 2 cents.
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Re: A survey

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2009/12/24 Hiisi :
> 2009/12/25 Mike Williams :
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Hiisi  wrote:
>>> 1. Are you left-handed?
>> yes
>>> 2. Do you use mouse with left hand?
>> sometimes
>>> 3. How to configure in F12 (Gnome) mouse pointer to be
>>> left-handed-mouse oriented (I mean how to mirror mouse pointer)?
>>
>> Like Frank, I use my middle finger to left click when using a mouse
>> left-handed.  I do this because I often use computers that others also
>> use.  Being used to using the left mouse button for left clicking
>> enables me to just move the mouse, and be comfortable without  having
>> to reconfigure anything (and no risk of forgetting to put it back when
>> I'm done).
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Dear interviewees!
> Thank you for your responses. But you just don't understand. I know
> how to configure mouse buttons for left hand (i.e. reverse buttons
> functions). I don't know how to change mouse _pointer_ orientation. I
> would like to change it like this:
> http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7656/mouseu.jpg
> I remember it was possible in the days of FC7.
>

That is easy! I don't know about KDE but for GTK based desktops like
Gnome or XFCE just select the appropriate theme, e.g. LBluecurve.

Have fun, and Merry Christmas :)

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Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?

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On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:

We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone.  Everything is so
locked up.



A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff 
including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;)


btw, Wikipedia says Maemo is Gnome based.
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Re: Moving to Fedora .. my GUI gone..

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2009/12/23 Marko Vojinovic :
> On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:10:54 Ishmael Chibvuri wrote:
>> I tried to install KDE (K desktop), removing GNOME desktop and all its
>> utilities from Linux Ubuntu since I wanted some nice features from
>> Fedora..
>>
>> After rebooting.. Only the shell comes up..  the GUI is not starting...
>>
>> where could I be going wrong.. After converting .rpm files from the fedora
>> disc to .deb using "alien",I installed all the core KDE files...listed
>>  below
>
> Converting and installing Fedora packages on an Ubuntu system will almost
> certainly not work, especially if you are trying to install the whole KDE or
> something equally complicated.
>
> If you want to move to Fedora, backup your data, reformat the hard drive and
> install Fedora *instead* of Ubuntu, not on top of it. Or free up a partition
> on the disk, install Fedora there and set up dual-boot. Or install it in a
> virtual machine under Ubuntu. Or run it off the Live CD.
>
> But do not mix packages from both distros and install them simultaneously, it
> just won't work properly.
>

To add to that, if you can't live without apt, you can try apt-rpm on
fedora. Although its not perfect but comes pretty close to apt on
Debian/*bunutu.

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Re: Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails

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2009/12/23 Michael Welle :
> Hi,
>
> Mark Ryden  writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ?
>>
>> I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it.
> maybe [1] is the way to go? I stumbled upon it while searching for a way
> to 'unzip' firmware updates for this other platform. But I haven't
> tested it yet. Feedback is welcome ;).
>
>
> Regards
> hmw
>
> [1] http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/dmgx.html
>

Worked for me, although was bit of a resource hog. Couldn't even
bookmark the homepage for the project! Had to wait until it was done
writing the iso. Its a very nifty utility and I am pleasantly
surprised after looking for something like this for quite a while.

Thanks for posting this. :)
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Re: No F-12 Flash -

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On Tuesday 22 December 2009 11:56 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:


What is the procedure to install Adobe Flash Player in Fedora 12 [in
this case installed from the Omega livecd]?


8< ---snipped---8<

It results in an rpm that produces "libflashplayer.so" but does not
install it as the instruction implies. I copied that to
"/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/" to no avail!



Just a small clarification, AFAIK the Omega LiveDVD was *32-bit only*. 
Then how do you have a /usr/lib64/ directory?


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Re: gmail endless redirecting

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2009/12/21 jackson byers :
> recent update
> $ uname -r
> 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i686.PAE
>
> Fedora/3.5.6-1.fc11 Firefox/3.5.6
>
> I am getting endless redirecting on my gmail
>
> nothing i try on the gmail site suggestions seems to help.
> it allows me to report the problem but  I cant get out of the loop.
>

Whenever I encounter this, clearing the cookies for *.google.com and
restarting firefox usually does the trick irrespective of the platform
(any flavour of GNU/Linux, Windows ... )

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Re: Compiz issue

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2009/12/21 James Allsopp :
> Hi,
> I'm trying to find the controller for the compiz effect thatfits all the
> windows into the screen so you can select one. This currently triggers on
> the top-right corner, how can I change this. Got too used to having my
> volume control there.
>
> Can someone explain the difference between compiz and compiz-fusion. The
> fits seems to be installed as part of the F12 install, but has very limited
> options. I've tried install compiz-fusion, but it didn't seem to be
> listening to any of the settings in CompizConfig Settings Manager,
>

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532229

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Re: Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora.

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Hi Sandeep,

2009/12/20 sandeep Patel :
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Chris Smart 
>> 2009/12/20 sandeep Patel :
>> >
>> > Hi Everybody,
>> >  I have installed Fedora 12 x86_64.And I tried to
>> > update
>> > it.But I found this error:
>> >  Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository:
>> > fedora.
>> >
>>
>> Hi Sandeep,
>> Do you have a connection to the Internet on that specific box? If so,
>> are you behind a proxy?
>>
>
> Yes,i am using a proxy connection.please tell me what is the solution of
> this error?
>

In the [main] section of /etc/yum.conf you need to include a line like this
proxy url://my.proxy/

Check the manpage for yum.conf for more details. `man yum.conf'

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Re: empathy

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On Saturday 19 December 2009 10:21 AM, Michael Semcheski wrote:

Does it do any video and audio?



I think it does Google video/audio.
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Re: mplayer fc12-86_64

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On Saturday 19 December 2009 04:01 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

On 19/12/09 12:26, Tim wrote:

On Sat, 2009-12-19 at 11:28 +0100, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

?? Isn't it just mplayer-gui that provides gmplayer?


One of them is a recompiled mplayer for its own GUI, the other is a
front end for mplayer.


OK, same name two products. Then where do I find the recompiled mplayer?



The recompiled one is the buggy one.
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Re: To Timothy Murphy

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On Saturday 19 December 2009 04:11 AM, Paul Smith wrote:

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Fennix  wrote:

All your messages at gmail end up in my spam folder with the following
mention:

Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of
following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal
information.  Learn more


A different Tim, here, but that might be due to him posting through the
gmane usenet to email gateway (it gives me problems, too; different
problems, though).  You could have a look through the headers of one of
his mails, and see if there's something in there you can use to tell
your mail filter that those messages aren't spam.


I don't think you can tweak gmail's spam filter. Not directly, anyway.
I always check Timothy Murphy's mails that gmail labels as spam as
"not spam", hoping to teach it that they're not. I fully expect to see
a change in gmail's behaviour in a few thousand years (provided, of
course, that TM at least keeps up his the present day rate of
postings).


Hmmm, I also use gmail and all of Timothy Murphy's emails reach me.  I do
have a filter that moves all incoming fedora list mail to a fedora folder.
  I have never found any fedora list mail in my spam folder.
fennix


In my case, all Timothy Murphy's posts go to the GMail spam folder.

Paul



I use this[1] rule in Gmail to archive and direct all fedora-list 
traffic to a Fedora label within Gmail. And I rarely get any of his 
messages mislabelled as spam. It is definitely quite a bit better since 
I reported a few "this is not spam"-s.


I think you can also setup something like `from:"Timothy Murphy"' to 
direct his messages to the proper label in Gmail.


HTH

[1] (list:"fedora-list.redhat.com" OR 
list:"fedora-announce-list.redhat.com")


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Re: F12 Live CHECKSUM failing

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2009/12/18 Gene Heskett :
> On Friday 18 December 2009, Tim wrote:
>>On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:53 -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
>>> This shows that your download is corrupted. That would explain all
>>> your other problems too. You need to download the iso again. If you
>>> are using direct download, I would suggest you to switch to torrent.
>>> While downloading torrents, your torrent client (e.g. transmission or
>>> ktorrent) checks for the checksums of each piece, so corrupted
>>> downloads are very rare.
>>
>>One of their prior posts said they got it using a torrent.
>>

Sorry I had missed that part.

> In which case they should restart the torrent.  Most clients do a full check
> and will re-pull anything that doesn't pass that 64kb blocks crc.
>

Restarting the torrent is probably the best bet here. AFAIR there is
an option to verify too. Maybe the OP can try that, if the client
finds errors then it will re-download the corrupted pieces.
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Re: Installing F12 on a Netbook sans Swap

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Hi Richard,

I can answer only one of your concerns.

On Friday 18 December 2009 01:34 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:

3. After giving up on the graphical installer I went text based which
had it's own set of challenges. Primarilly it would not let me setup a
custom partition layout, and secondly it didn't seem to install X as
after rebooting I was dumped to a VT.



The text based installer _intentionally_ does not have support for 
custom partitioning since F12. Its in the Release notes.


And addressing your second query, when you install in text mode, the 
default runlevel is set to runlevel 3. All you have to do is change that 
in /etc/inittab or /boot/grub/grub.conf


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Re: F12 Live CHECKSUM failing

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Hi Saurabh,

2009/12/18 Sawrub :
> On 12/18/2009 12:29 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> In addition to what Rick mentioned in another post, your command is
>> missing a flag. It should be,
>>
>> $ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
>>
> Executed that also now as a part of other commands,  but still in vain.
>
> [saw...@mybox Fedora-12-x86_64-Live]$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
> Fedora-12-x86_64-Live.iso: FAILED
> sha256sum: WARNING: 1 of 1 computed checksum did NOT match
> [saw...@mybox Fedora-12-x86_64-Live]$
>
> Is this a bug that needs to be solved.?
>

This shows that your download is corrupted. That would explain all
your other problems too. You need to download the iso again. If you
are using direct download, I would suggest you to switch to torrent.
While downloading torrents, your torrent client (e.g. transmission or
ktorrent) checks for the checksums of each piece, so corrupted
downloads are very rare.

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Re: new thunderbird lost all my calendar events

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2009/12/18 Paolo Galtieri :
> I updated my F12 system today and a new version of thunderbird and
> thunderbird-lightning were downloaded.  When I started up TB and brought up
> my calendar
> all the events I had previously scheduled were gone!
>
> Is there anyway to restore them?
>
> Paolo

Same here. Thankfully my local calendar didn't have any important
events, I primarily use Google calendar. On trying to create a new
local calendar, it was returning the same error again. I am on Fedora
11 x86_64.

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Re: F12 Live CHECKSUM failing

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On Thursday 17 December 2009 10:21 AM, Sawrub wrote:

On 12/17/2009 11:50 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:

Well, I'm not going to say that the above is not a problem as I saw
the same thing when using the same steps, however, nothing you have
done so far has anything to do directly with the ISO. That doesn't
happen until you do:

sha256sum *-CHECKSUM

Here is the rest of the step.
[saw...@mybox Fedora-12-x86_64-Live]$ sha256sum *-CHECKSUM
3b74f72a6ad75eb8dc849503e9e76569bec37b5677847f98659120f1072c7944
Fedora-12-x86_64-Live-CHECKSUM


In addition to what Rick mentioned in another post, your command is 
missing a flag. It should be,


$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM

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Re: Do you know about Omega?

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Hi Marcel,

On Wednesday 16 December 2009 10:26 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Suvayu Ali  wrote:


On Wednesday 16 December 2009 12:34 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:


I thought I'd give the Omega LiveDVD�a try, but I find the security
rather puzzling. First this:

# To verify on Linux:
# $ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
# Windows users use http://www.slavasoft.com/hashcalc/

89b708de224e989cbda9c5bf8feebd38d36a16f1765c60648ec2161d2bb1d551
Omega-12-i686-Live.iso

$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
sha256sum: *-CHECKSUM: No such file or directory


You need to download the CHECKSUM file for the image to the same directory
as the .iso image for that command to work.


Sorry! What you say sure makes sense:) Unfortunately, the said file is
the one that is at:

<http://omega.dgplug.org/12/Live/i686/Omega-12-i686-Live-CHECKSUM>

and that I copied above. When it is in the download directory, I receive:

sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
sha256sum: Omega-12-i686-Live-CHECKSUM: no properly formatted SHA256
checksum lines found

There still is a problem.



You are correct. But its a minor problem. The CHECKSUM file has one 
character missing. If you do `cat Omega-12-i686-Live-CHECKSUM', you can 
see that the checksum is shown as this,



89b708de224e989cbda9c5bf8feebd38d36a16f1765c60648ec2161d2bb1d551 
Omega-12-i686-Live.iso


whereas the correct way to write that line is with an asterisk before 
the file name like this,



89b708de224e989cbda9c5bf8feebd38d36a16f1765c60648ec2161d2bb1d551 
*Omega-12-i686-Live.iso


If you fix that, then the `sha256sum -c Omega-12-i686-Live-CHECKSUM' 
command succeeds. I believe its just a typo, although an important one. :\



Your name brings me to the supposition that you might be linked to the
project. When I downloaded, at about 21h UDT, I feared the server
resources would be tight in the first days of availability. I was
surprised to downlaod at ~450 kBps.

Do you have a fair amount of bandwidth available? It seems to me this
"distribution" could get very popular.



I don't know what you are talking about here, I am just a clueless 
University student. :)


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Re: Do you know about Omega?

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Hi Marcel,

On Wednesday 16 December 2009 12:34 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:

I thought I'd give the Omega LiveDVD�a try, but I find the security
rather puzzling. First this:

# To verify on Linux:
# $ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
# Windows users use http://www.slavasoft.com/hashcalc/

89b708de224e989cbda9c5bf8feebd38d36a16f1765c60648ec2161d2bb1d551
Omega-12-i686-Live.iso

$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM
sha256sum: *-CHECKSUM: No such file or directory



You need to download the CHECKSUM file for the image to the same 
directory as the .iso image for that command to work.


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Re: yum install mencoder makes X11 flaky

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On Wednesday 16 December 2009 12:22 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 00:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

On 12/11/2009 11:08 PM, Kelly Jones wrote:

Ever since I "yum install mencoder", my X server's been flaky +
frequently crashing.

I remember yum installing/upgrading libraries when I ran the command
above, but don't remember what the libraries were.

How do I find out what yum installed/upgraded, and remove it so my X
server behaves properly again?


# yum history list

# yum history info

# yum history undo


Are you sure?  I would like this info to post my troubles with sunbird
(forthcoming shortly), but
# yum history list
produces only the usage message.  System is F11 with all upgrades.
Yum is yum-3.2.24-2.fc11.noarch .

Same here, are you using any plugins? It would be an awesome plugin to 
have though. :)



Thanks - jon



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Re: Love Totem

[Suvayu Ali]

On Tuesday 15 December 2009 04:24 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Tuesday 15 December 2009 06:08:08 Suvayu Ali wrote:

I like to have some video playing in one of the corners of my screen
while I work, and the "always on top" feature in Totem is ideal for
that. I had so far noticed Totem would automatically move to the
background whenever it was done playing some video with the "always on
top" feature enabled. None of the other players I am familiar with does
that.


Are you talking about the behavior equivalent to the -ontop option in mplayer?
I agree, that can be very handy sometimes, especially if you have a widescreen
monitor and can spare a corner. ;-)



Yes, with a widescreen monitor its a very neat feature to use.

For mplayer the particular behaviour I was talking about is kind of moot 
as the window with the video closes when the video ends. So there is no 
unnecessary windows hanging around. But usually for the other players, 
they still hang around staying "on top". Totem is smart enough to know 
the video has stopped playing, hence no point in staying on top of all 
the other windows. :) So intuitive!



Best, :-)
Marko


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Love Totem

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share my delight when I found what the nifty "always on 
top" feature in Totem can do, confirming my already high opinions of the 
player.


I like to have some video playing in one of the corners of my screen 
while I work, and the "always on top" feature in Totem is ideal for 
that. I had so far noticed Totem would automatically move to the 
background whenever it was done playing some video with the "always on 
top" feature enabled. None of the other players I am familiar with does 
that. And I loved it for that! Especially considering some players like 
VLC even refuse to go fullscreen in a sane manner with not-so-popular 
window managers like WindowMaker when always on top is enabled.


Today I was pleasantly surprised when I found Totem didn't stay on top 
even if the feature is turned on when it is playing just audio! This is 
*beautiful* design. Also love the fact that it is so light weight and 
functional in almost all its design aspects. It is truly a simple "Movie 
Player". ;)


With totem and cli mplayer what else does anyone need? :)

PS: Sorry if people find this post OT.
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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

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On Monday 14 December 2009 08:31 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote:


 Colin>  Trying movie player just says:

 Colin>  "No URI handler implemented for DVD"

I installed -gstreamer-plugins-ugly/bad/ffmpeg.

Now i see in syslog errors saying "Add. Sense: read of scrambled
sector without authentication"

Looks like a kernel error.


That confirms my hunch. Please look at my other message, you need to 
install libdvdcss from livna. If you want to read more, try these 
articles from Wikipedia.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

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Re: Enabling Airport wireless on Macbook Air with F12

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Colin,

On Monday 14 December 2009 08:10 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote:

"Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:



"Peter" == Peter Danenberg  writes:

 Peter>  Quoth Colin Paul Adams on Pungenday, the 56th of The
 Peter>  Aftermath:
 >>>  Works for both headphones and speakers for me. :-)

 Peter>  Which reminds me: which air do you have; or what's the
 Peter>  output of the following command?

 Peter>  sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name

 Colin>  MacBookAir1,1

 Colin>  More on VLC - examining syslog showed sector read errors,
 Colin>  so switched to anther DVD.  This shows scrambled image (as
 Colin>  if it were a copy-protected copy - it isn't - i paid for it
 Colin>  and it works on Mac OSX with DVD player or VLC), and almost
 Colin>  no sound (the occaisional click).

 Colin>  I'm wondering if there are additional codecs I need to
 Colin>  install from somewhere (I just did a yum install vlc so
 Colin>  far)

Trying movie player just says:

"No URI handler implemented for DVD"


Do you have libdvdcss installed from livna?
http://rpm.livna.org/repo/

Before you install please remember the legal ramifications that goes 
with it. I wouldn't know how to advice you on this, but I do use it myself.

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Re: Fedora 12: No flash plugin

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Hi Marc,

On Monday 14 December 2009 07:35 AM, Marc Wilson wrote:

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Antonio Olivares
  wrote:


There are many excellent pages out there to help users like FedoraFaq, and 
FedoraForum as well.  There is also the following page which has been very 
helpful for many users:  http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f12.html


Actually, most people on #Fedora recommend you steer clear of both
FedoraFaq and MJM.

Is their any technical reason or is it just because of the legal stuff 
(codecs and flash)? I am asking because I found both those resources 
very useful when I was starting out with Fedora and I often recommend 
them to other new users.


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Re: F12 installation woes with DVD plus online repositories

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2009/12/13 William M. Quarles :
> I'm trying to install Fedora 12 with the installation DVD plus downloading
> extra packages and updates with an Internet connection to the online
> repositories for extra packages and updates. However, the speed of the
> installation process is seriously troubling me.
>

I think that option is there for people who do multiple installations
and have a local repo setup for their needs. You would be better off
by first ensuring you have a minimal working system. Later on you can
add all the stuff you want. :)
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Re: Help: No internet connection

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On Sunday 13 December 2009 12:35 PM, simon.schneeb...@okko.org wrote:

Now, back home, my problem is the following:
- DOES NOT WORK: Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution (error connecting to
the server)
- DOES WORK: Opera, Sype, Software update, Ping.

Could it be that IPV6 thing? I think recently another user had a similar 
problem with firefox, and it turned out to be IPV6 related. It would be 
worth a try to check that.


Just a thought.
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Re: F12: Gnome "Menubar" missing on multiple applications,

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On Saturday 12 December 2009 02:58 PM, Wim ten Have wrote:

   It is simple, if you launch 'gnome-terminal' you have the option to
   enable "Show Menubar".  Click in the window left mouse button.  There
   you'll find a checkbox.  If it is enabled then the terminal emulator
   will show "[File] [Edit] [View] [Terminal] [Help]" tabs.  This worked
   perfectly for me under F4, F5, F6, F7, F8, F9, F10, F11.  But per F12
   those seemed gone.  I experience same with other applications (many)
   like my mailer 'claws'.

   I did go as far as cleaning my entire default repos on the GNOME
   desktop and rebuilding it.  But it seemed not to help.



I am shooting completely in the dark here.

I recently installed globalmenu for Gnome. I enabled the integrate with 
main menu option. Since then I have been unable to access the menus for 
GTK apps even when I am not in Gnome. After I turned that option off, I 
got back my menus.


Could it be you also had globalmenu installed at some point in time and 
some remnant of that config is messing with your menus?


Just a thought.
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Re: Sudo and gtksu

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2009/12/10 suvayu ali :
> 2009/12/10 davide :
>> Il Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:17:58 +, Sam Sharpe ha scritto:
>>>
>>> That allows you to authenticate with your own password to most of the
>>> PolKit dialogs, which is pretty much what you are looking for. I believe
>>> a simplified GUI for setting this up is in the works, because while the
>>> granularity of the old PolKit interface was lovely, it was a bit over
>>> the top for most users.
>
>> You got right, I just want to enter my password in PolKit dialogs. (I
>> trust Fedora delevoper for the moment, I dont need to change PolKit
>> configuration about actions)
>>
> Just grant the regular user permissions to do the things that you want
> to do using polkit. Choose the kind of access you want to allow, e.g.
> you can disallow remote access. Then you should have what you are
> looking for.
>

Sorry I didn't notice Sam's response. (gmail's quoting in plain text
can be confusing :( )

What he suggested is a much more complete way of doing this. Please
disregard the last comment in my last reply.

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Re: Sudo and gtksu

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2009/12/10 davide :
> Il Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:17:58 +, Sam Sharpe ha scritto:
>
>> If you're on F12, then add yourself to the desktop_admin_r group that
>> will be in /etc/group.
>
> done.
>
>>
>> That allows you to authenticate with your own password to most of the
>> PolKit dialogs, which is pretty much what you are looking for. I believe
>> a simplified GUI for setting this up is in the works, because while the
>> granularity of the old PolKit interface was lovely, it was a bit over
>> the top for most users.
>
> Actually, dialogs ask my root password.
> Shall I delete the root user?

Please *don't* do that. Even in ubuntu, the user exists but there is
no password set for the root user, hence you can't login as root.

> You got right, I just want to enter my password in PolKit dialogs. (I
> trust Fedora delevoper for the moment, I dont need to change PolKit
> configuration about actions)
>
Just grant the regular user permissions to do the things that you want
to do using polkit. Choose the kind of access you want to allow, e.g.
you can disallow remote access. Then you should have what you are
looking for.

GL

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Re: Sudo and gtksu

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2009/12/8 davide :
> Il Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:05:18 -0800, suvayu ali ha scritto:
>
>> why dont you use polkit? it gives you more control than gksudo, and much
>> more secure.
>
> I'll do. I just know now about it being the Right Thing. ;-)
>
> Any pointer?
>

For the command line you can setup sudo as you wish. (PASSWORD or NOPASSWORD)

For gui stuff, just look at all the keys in the dialog for polkit (or
gnome-polkit, I don't recall exactly. Not on a Fedora machine right
now). Some of the keys are named rather non-intuitively, so you may
have to fool around a bit. I also seem to recall some discussions on
this on fedora-list within the last 6 months. I don't recall the name
of the thread though. So searching the archives will also help.

GL
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Re: Sudo and gtksu

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2009/12/8 davide :
> Il Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:20:47 +0100, davide ha scritto:
>
>> Hi, I would like to replicate Ubuntu behaviour about the superuser. I
>> replaced the Fedora /etc/sudoers with one from an ubuntu box.
>>
>> Any other step to replicate replicate also in the Gnome Desktop? I would
>> like to use *MY* password to start programs requiring superusers
>> previleges.
>
> I just noticed beesu, but it works only on a command line.
> I should run in a terminal "beesu $PROGRAM". I would prefer, like with
> gksu, to gain superuser right automagically.
>

why dont you use polkit? it gives you more control than gksudo, and
much more secure.

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Re: Grub2, /boot, and lvm

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2009/12/8 Tom H :
>>>> From Suvayu Ali (in the "Getting rid of /boot" thread)
>>>> Could you please point me to the documentation for this? I would
>>>> really like to read up more and understand what limitations/advantages
>>>> I might have as I have been waiting for this to be included since F10.
>
>>> Sorry Suvayu. Just remembered that you had asked for this info.
>>> This is from the Grub 2 wiki:
>>> http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
>
>> Thank you Tom, its much appreciated, but you forgot that you have
>> already posted that. :)
>
> You're welcome. By the end of this week I will have done four weeks'
> worth of shifts in two weeks - and I cannot remember posting this
> before (!). I hope that I am not making similar mistakes at work...
>
We all have our days :)

>> I went through it, and was trying to find whether the grub in Fedora
>> is capable of that.
>> $ grub --version
>> grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
>> Even in the F12 repos, I saw the grub version is 0.97. Whereas the
>> link says Grub needs to be 1.95 or higher to boot from a /boot on an
>> lvm. Does that mean Fedora is yet to include that capability?
>
> The package is called grub2. :)
>
> And the latest release 1.97xxx.
>

That explains it! I was looking in the Fedora repository, and grub2 is
in the Everything repo.




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Re: nautilus overwrite files

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2009/12/7 Tim :
> Henrique Koesjan:
>>> show me before I overwrite the file, if they have the same name.
>
> Marc Wilson:
>> Why would you need a plugin to do what Nautilus does by default?
>
> Read their addendum to the original query.  Nautilus doesn't show you
> any details about the file it's about to overwrite.  You don't know if
> you're about to replace an identical file, or just one with the same
> name.
>
> For what it's worth, ditch using Nautilus as a file manager.  It just
> about scrapes by as a file browser, but it's hopeless for managing your
> files.  I usually use emelfm2, other's swear by MC.
>

Thunar is pretty good too. Very few dependencies, and I like the
volume rename thing. With the volman plugin for auto-mounting portable
media, its almost perfect. :)

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Re: nautilus overwrite files

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2009/12/7 Henrique Koesjan :
> Is there a plugin in nautilus to show me the date/size of a file?
>
> thanks in advance,
> henrique
>

No plugins are required, just turn on detailed list view. :)

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Re: Grub2, /boot, and lvm

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Hi Tom,

2009/12/7 Tom H 
>
> >From Suvayu Ali (in the "Getting rid of /boot" thread)
> > Could you please point me to the documentation for this? I would
> > really like to read up more and understand what limitations/advantages
> > I might have as I have been waiting for this to be included since F10.
>
> Sorry Suvayu. Just remembered that you had asked for this info.
>
> This is from the Grub 2 wiki:
> http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
>

Thank you Tom, its much appreciated, but you forgot that you have
already posted that. :)

I went through it, and was trying to find whether the grub in Fedora
is capable of that.

$ grub --version
grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)

Even in the F12 repos, I saw the grub version is 0.97. Whereas the
link says Grub needs to be 1.95 or higher to boot from a /boot on an
lvm. Does that mean Fedora is yet to include that capability?

This thread has been very enlightening so far. :)
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Re: Compiz plugins

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2009/12/6 Eric Tanguy :
> Le 06/12/2009 10:45, Suvayu Ali a écrit :
>>
>> On Sunday 06 December 2009 01:39 AM, Eric Tanguy wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 06/12/2009 09:50, suvayu ali a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> 2009/12/6 Eric Tanguy:
>>>>>
>>>>> So according to http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Water to activate it i
>>>>> need
>>>>> to hold down and move the mouse. I assume is the
>>>>> window key. it does not work so either the plugin does not work or i
>>>>> have a
>>>>> problem with my keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>> First you would need to install ccsm (compiz-manager) then turn on the
>>>> plugins and make sure they are bounded to the keys you want. The keys
>>>> mentioned in the compiz wiki are the default key bindings given that
>>>> the corresponding plugin is turned on.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is clearer. Have fun.
>>>
>>> I installed it and enabled water effects but it does not work. How to
>>> know what key is  ?
>>> Eric
>>>
>> The other way you can check would be to try changing any of the default
>> key bindings in ccsm, that should let you see whether compiz recognizes your
>> super key correctly.
>>
>> GL
>
> In fact, ccsm is not active by default you have to change the compiz-gtk
> script to enable ccsm (see
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=532229) after this water plugin
> works fine ...
> Thanks for the help
> Eric
>

Thanks a lot for posting this Eric, learned quite a bit about
compiz-config from that bug report.

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Re: Compiz plugins

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2009/12/6 Marko Vojinovic :
> On Sunday 06 December 2009 09:45:53 Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> On Sunday 06 December 2009 01:39 AM, Eric Tanguy wrote:
>> > How to know what key is  ?
>>
>> Although its usually the "Windows"  key, you can check by running xev
>> from the terminal. This will give you a keycode for the key, but I don't
>> know how you can make sure that is the correct keycode.
>
> I've always found this "super" and "meta" terminology quite confusing. What
> keys do you press when you read "press ++F9" in some instruction
> manual?
>
> Given that some keyboards might or might not have one or more "Windows" and
> similar keys present, there must be some table in X configuration files that
> maps available keyboard layout to names such as , , ,
>  and . The problem is where this information actually is and how
> to make it easily available for a newbie.
>

>From what I have observed,  usually refers to the two ALT keys,
and  refers to the two WINDOWS keys. And sometimes _all_ these
modifier keys are referred to as modX where X is just a number. So it
could be something like this,  = ALT,  = CTRL,  =
SHIFT, and  = WINDOWS. (I might have mixed up the mod2 & mod3
though :-p )

> After so many years of using Linux, I myself am still not sure what are super
> and meta keys on my keyboard. I never bothered to do a serious investigation
> of this, but certainly, one should not be supposed to use google and read
> configuration files in order to find out which key is where on the keyboard...
>

That is very true, all of this is incredibly confusing. There has to
be some convention on what to use when referring to these keys and of
course all of that needs to be documented. I wouldn't know where to
start looking to get more into the details of all this mess. :(

> Or am I missing something completely obvious here?
>
> Best, :-)
> Marko

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Re: Compiz plugins

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On Sunday 06 December 2009 01:39 AM, Eric Tanguy wrote:

Le 06/12/2009 09:50, suvayu ali a écrit :

2009/12/6 Eric Tanguy:

Le 05/12/2009 20:12, suvayu ali a écrit :

2009/12/5 Eric Tanguy:


Is there somewhere a howto or something like that about compiz
plugins. I
don't know which plugins are in fedora, which one could be add and
how to
use it (key combinations). I try to test the water one and i can't
achieve
to find the keys to use or the keys does not work ...


http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizPlugins
http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizFusionPlugins


So according to http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Water to activate it i
need
to hold down and move the mouse. I assume is the
window key. it does not work so either the plugin does not work or i
have a
problem with my keyboard.


First you would need to install ccsm (compiz-manager) then turn on the
plugins and make sure they are bounded to the keys you want. The keys
mentioned in the compiz wiki are the default key bindings given that
the corresponding plugin is turned on.

I hope this is clearer. Have fun.

I installed it and enabled water effects but it does not work. How to
know what key is  ?
Eric



Although its usually the "Windows"  key, you can check by running xev 
from the terminal. This will give you a keycode for the key, but I don't 
know how you can make sure that is the correct keycode.


The other way you can check would be to try changing any of the default 
key bindings in ccsm, that should let you see whether compiz recognizes 
your super key correctly.


GL
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Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?

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On Saturday 05 December 2009 03:46 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 17:36 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:



Never thought of that! I know the OP would prefer command line utilities
but still he can try lshw-gui. It presents the lshw output in a much
more readable form. GL


In order for lshw-gui to run in needs to load something called
gnomebreakpad which I cannot find. Where is it?

When I Googled this event the statement was made that the absence of
gnomebreakpad is the innocuous result of abrt replacing bug-buddy but on
my SMP dual processor system lshw-gui does not display what it should
under F12 (or at least not the detail that it displays on my laptop
under F11).



I don't have F12 on my machine so I am unable to confirm that. Sorry.
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Re: Compiz plugins

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2009/12/6 Eric Tanguy :
> Le 05/12/2009 20:12, suvayu ali a écrit :
>>
>> 2009/12/5 Eric Tanguy:
>>
>>> Is there somewhere a howto or something like that about compiz plugins. I
>>> don't know which plugins are in fedora, which one could be add and how to
>>> use it (key combinations). I try to test the water one and i can't
>>> achieve
>>> to find the keys to use or the keys does not work ...
>>>
>>
>> http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizPlugins
>> http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizFusionPlugins
>>
> So according to http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Water to activate it i need
> to hold down  and move the mouse. I assume  is the
> window key. it does not work so either the plugin does not work or i have a
> problem with my keyboard.
>

First you would need to install ccsm (compiz-manager) then turn on the
plugins and make sure they are bounded to the keys you want. The keys
mentioned in the compiz wiki are the default key bindings given that
the corresponding plugin is turned on.

I hope this is clearer. Have fun.
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Re: Compiz plugins

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2009/12/5 Eric Tanguy :
> Is there somewhere a howto or something like that about compiz plugins. I
> don't know which plugins are in fedora, which one could be add and how to
> use it (key combinations). I try to test the water one and i can't achieve
> to find the keys to use or the keys does not work ...

http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizPlugins
http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizFusionPlugins

> Thanks
> Eric

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Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?

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On Saturday 05 December 2009 08:18 AM, Steven Stern wrote:

On 12/05/2009 04:27 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware
installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram).

lspci does not give info about these hw.

lshw, does not give the manufacturer

dmidecode does not give the manufacturer


Is there a tool which is able to do that, or a file in /etc (or elsewhere)?

Thanks for attention.



smoltSendProfile

Select (V) after it starts up to view the hardware list.  You can then
continue on to upload it to the database.

Here's the hardware list for my computer:
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_e5eef396-fa46-4e60-9415-f6195093876a

Never thought of that! I know the OP would prefer command line utilities 
but still he can try lshw-gui. It presents the lshw output in a much 
more readable form. GL


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Re: Getting rid of /boot

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Hi Tom.

2009/12/4 Tom H :
>>> Why add the complexity?
>
>> Because you can only have a max of 15 partitions on a disk
>> without using LVM?
>
>> At work we have a system with a gazillion or so different
>> linux distros and had to set it up to dd copies of the /boot
>> partition back onto /boot so we can boot the linux that goes
>> with that /boot. If grub could boot from LVM, I wouldn't need
>> the separate /boot shared among all the different linuxen.
>
> I had understood the complexity to be the separate /boot not the use of lvm...
>
> grub 2 can boot from an lvm'd /boot.
>

Could you please point me to the documentation for this? I would
really like to read up more and understand what limitations/advantages
I might have as I have been waiting for this to be included since F10.

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Re: provider for google calendar

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2009/12/4 oleksandr korneta :
> indirectly it did. Turns out, I had my old "provider for google" extension
> installed and the new installation from repository did not update it (which
> is obvious, since the old one was installed in user space ~/.mozilla). Thus
> I had the provider installed, but it was not functional. Uninstalling the
> user's  extension did the trick and lightning has asked for password for
> google account after thunderbirds restart.
>

That is one interesting consequence of installing add-ons on your own
compared to installing it from the repository. Thank you for reporting
back the resolution of your issue, I will keep this in mind when I
upgrade to F12 in a few weeks.  :)

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Re: OT M.I.T. TED new way of I/O

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2009/12/4 Martin Airs :
> On 12/04/2009 03:28 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>
>> Two things:
>>
>> 1) The video is from March 2009, so it's not even current.
>> 2) It has *nothing* to do with Fedora as far as I can see.
>>
>> Just because you think something is cool is not sufficient reason for
>> posting it here. There are plenty of sites/lists/blogs/newsgroups out
>> there for that.
>>
>> poc
>>
>>
>
> I feel the same way about Google's Chrome OS, what's the deal with that??
>

I think in that case he was using Fedora to build those images, so it
might qualify as Fedora related Off-Topic?

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Re: How to define command for entry in Gnome menu?

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2009/12/4 Hiisi :
> Dear List!
> On my system I have to start Blender using 'LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
> blender'. Otherwise it's impossible to work in it. I set up an alias
> in .bashrc and it works well from command line. However if I start

You have to define this in your .bash_profile to set the variable for
every login. If you want to get into more detail look at the thread
"Gnome applications and .bash_profile" from late October and early
November, especially the wonderfully clear and informative posts by
Steven W. Orr.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-November/msg00077.html
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-November/msg00123.html
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Re: provider for google calendar

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Hello Oleksandr,

On Thursday 03 December 2009 04:30 PM, suvayu ali wrote:

2009/12/3 oleksandr korneta:

Yes I'm talking about lightning calendar extension. Anyway, turns out some
good people did package it and put in repository. But it is useless for me
without the Provider  for google calendar. And this one is not packaged and
cannot be instaled from mozilla's website. So, does anybody have similar


I use both lightning and google calendars on Fedora 11 x86_64. Please
check before you curse. Right now I'm at work, I 'll post back with
the packages you need to install when I am home. Maybe someone will
post that information before I return from work.



I think there is some other problem with your installation. The 
thunderbird-lightning package for Fedora includes Google Calendar 
support. You don't have to install anything extra as you can see in the 
quoted output below.



02:14|jal...@bhishma:~>rpm -ql thunderbird-lightning |grep -i google
/usr/lib64/thunderbird-lightning-gdata/components/calGoogleCalendarModule.js
/usr/lib64/thunderbird-lightning-gdata/js/calGoogleCalendar.js
/usr/lib64/thunderbird-lightning-gdata/js/calGoogleRequest.js
/usr/lib64/thunderbird-lightning-gdata/js/calGoogleSession.js
/usr/lib64/thunderbird-lightning-gdata/js/calGoogleUtils.js


This is with
thunderbird-3.0-2.8.b4.fc11.x86_64
thunderbird-lightning-1.0-0.8.20090715hg.fc11.x86_64

Hopefully this will help you find the real problem.

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Re: provider for google calendar

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2009/12/3 oleksandr korneta :
> so I'm  on Fedora 12, 64bit. It was an unpleasant surprise to find out that
> that some extensions for thunderbird from mozilla's website cannot be
> installed because of 64bit architecture (wtf? is this opensource or what?).
> Yes I'm talking about lightning calendar extension. Anyway, turns out some
> good people did package it and put in repository. But it is useless for me
> without the Provider  for google calendar. And this one is not packaged and
> cannot be instaled from mozilla's website. So, does anybody have similar
> problem/has a solution? Maybe someone can point me to some "how to recompile
> Provider for google calendar" blog article?
>

I use both lightning and google calendars on Fedora 11 x86_64. Please
check before you curse. Right now I'm at work, I 'll post back with
the packages you need to install when I am home. Maybe someone will
post that information before I return from work.

GL
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Re: OpenGL test or screen savers wanted for F12

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2009/12/2 Aaron Gray :
> 2009/12/2 Aaron Gray 
>>
>> 2009/12/2 suvayu ali 
>>>
>>> 2009/12/1 Aaron Gray :
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I have a machine that turns itself off at random when booting or
>>> > running
>>> > Windows XP.
>>> > It runs F12 fine once started and compiles GCC okay.
>>> > What I was wondering if it is some MMX or extra CPU functionality that
>>> > it is
>>> > crashing on.
>>> > What I am after is a yum package that uses F12 either a game or a
>>> > screen
>>> > saver.
>>> > Many thanks in advance,
>>> > Aaron
>>> >
>>>
>>> yum install rss-glx
>>>
>> Okay installed it, where is it and what is it ?
>
> yum install rss-glx-gnome-screensaver
> All working all right !
> Confused !
> Aaron
>

Sorry I couldn't reply sooner, I had missed your reply. But I see that
you have everything working. :)

You can also try xlock, some of the simulations in there are pretty
intensive on the CPU/GPU. Or maybe one of the open-source FPS games
like Nexuiz would also be a good test for the GPU. Warning: the
download size might be quite large.

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Re: Wine

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2009/12/2 Hector E. Celis 
>
> How in the hell do I install DVD43 using wine.
> Same question for ICOPYDVDS2
> And how do I install LimeWire
>

I am not familiar with those windows apps. Maybe if you tell us what
you are trying to do then we could suggest apps that run natively on
linux?

> If we can't copy DVDs for personal use, can't use limewire , then FEDORA is 
> GARBAGE useless to normal users.
> So Fix this NOW (I AM SICK OF WINDOWS)
> Some one pick up the challenge we can't all just sit with our finger up our 
> ass waiting for some one else. I would but I am just a beginner.
>

This is a public list, with people from all over the world
participating in the various discussions. A little restrain on your
emotions would be very welcome, as well as some restrain on the
language.

Hope with time and patience you will come to appreciate Fedora.

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Re: OpenGL test or screen savers wanted for F12

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2009/12/1 Aaron Gray :
> Hi,
> I have a machine that turns itself off at random when booting or running
> Windows XP.
> It runs F12 fine once started and compiles GCC okay.
> What I was wondering if it is some MMX or extra CPU functionality that it is
> crashing on.
> What I am after is a yum package that uses F12 either a game or a screen
> saver.
> Many thanks in advance,
> Aaron
>

yum install rss-glx

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Re: [Off Topic] Announcing the Release of the World's First 64-bit Build of Google's ChromiumOS for Netbooks

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2009/12/1 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) :
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:
>>
>> How about providing a torrent? If there are enough peers interested, it will
>> outperform anything else in terms of speed.
>>
>
> I don't have enough upload bandwidth with my home broadband connection
> to seed torrent files.
>

Have you looked at the Mininova free content distribution service?
http://www.mininova.org/apply

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Re: How to get FlashPlayer working under 64bit/Fc11

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2009/11/28 Reg Clemens :
> I have been testing with CNN news, which is the application I really
> want to use flash with.  There, I get the above behaviour with all video
> clips.  On youtube, mabe 1/2 or 1/3 of the video clips play, but the rest
> give the blue screen result.  I will assume that the ones that play are
> something other than flash.

Do you have the necessary codecs installed? Flash is required for the
player, but you still need the codecs for the various kinds of
encodings used in the different videos. Also some of the websites like
CNN doesn't play well with Adblock Plus or similar plugins, is that
your case?

I would try running FF without any add-ons (safe mode) to test and
would try installing the proper codecs.

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Re: Fedora 12: Virtualization Manager issues.

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2009/11/27 Tom Horsley :
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:16:48 -0600
> Tanner Danzey wrote:
>
>> "dbus already started"
>>
>> Do i need a dbus session on my -client-?
>> Cause if i do, ill just give up (Im using windows as a client right now)
>
> You probably need one running somewhere that has a valid X display
> anyway, because the polkit daemon is the one that pops up the
> dialog asking for the root password. (I think, I'm never sure
> what they've done to me with all this junk).
>
> Of course, the other option is just to ssh in as root, who should
> be able to run virt-manager directly.
>

Doesn't the OP need to have X windows for that as well? Correct me if
I am wrong, but I think the only way to do anything with
virtualization without X is to use kvm commands by hand with the
daemon flag set.

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Re: Fedora 12: Virtualization Manager issues.

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2009/11/27 Tanner Danzey :
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Tom Horsley  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:40:50 -0600
>> Tanner Danzey wrote:
>>
>> > Didn't work. The program you told me to use did this:
>>
>> That sounds like you also don't have a dbus session running.
>>
>> http://braindump.home.att.net/degnome.html
>>
>> might have some useful info about all the stoopid daemons
>> I have to get started when I want to not use gnome or
>> kde :-).
>>

Firstly, Top posting is frowned upon here (as mentioned in the guidelines)

> "dbus already started"
> Do i need a dbus session on my -client-?
> Cause if i do, ill just give up (Im using windows as a client right now)
>

I am not familiar with the command suggested to you by Tom, but if its
a GUI program and you are connecting to your fedora box using putty
from windows, then that will not work unless you have X Windows
installed in windows. Also another thing to look into is polkit has
restrictions on what you can run when you are connecting remotely.
Maybe some setting like that is restricting you.

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Re: copy xfce configuration?

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2009/11/26 Bob Goodwin :
>
>   I have a Fedora 12 computer on which I have set the screen
>   configuration to satisfy me. That includes launchers with icons and
>   panels 1, 2, and 3. Can I transfer my configuration to another user
>   by copying a file/s? Or do I have to recreate it for each user? If
>   so can I copy it to another F12 computer?
>

You can try copying the contents of the relevant directories in
`~/.config' to the corresponding directory for the new user.

Maybe something like `cp -R ~userold/.config/xfce* ~usernew/.config/' ?

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Re: Reorganising F11 partitions - how to?

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2009/11/26 DB :
>
> PS is therre a way of searching 'man' pages to look for "a command that does
> 'x' "?

You can try `apropos x' or `man -k x'

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Re: nVidia / rpmfusion under F12

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2009/11/23 Luc MAIGNAN :
> Hi,
>
> I tried to install the kmod-nvidia package under f12 but yum doesn't see
> anything :
>

Because its in updates-testing :)
http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/12/i386/repoview/index.html

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Re: Screenshot Tutorial: How to D-I-Y your own Google Chrome OS with Xen-based Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala amd64 Virtual Machine in Fedora 11 x86_64 Pv-Ops Dom0

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2009/11/22 Jussi Lehtola :
> On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 18:02 +0800, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>> Google Chrome OS Download
>>
>> Filename: Google-Chrome-OS-Build-enming.teo-22Nov2009-0704hrs.vmdk
>>
>> Filesize: 697.38MB
>
> Or, if you simply want the Chromium browser in Fedora, just use spot's
> packages that work just fine. To do this, place
>
> [chromium]
> name=Chromium Test Packages
> baseurl=http://spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/F12/
> enabled=1
> gpgcheck=0
>
> in /etc/yum.repos.d/chromium.repo and run
>  # yum -y install chromium
> Now you have the Chromium logo in the applications menu, or you can
> start it from the terminal with
>  $ chromium-browser

I think the OP is experimenting with this ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS

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Re: Upcoming IRC Class tomorrow! (2009-11-17)

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On Monday 16 November 2009 10:07 PM, Tim wrote:

Tim:

This is confusing.  Are you saying that time is a UTC time?


Kevin Fenzi:

Yes. All Classroom times are in UTC.


Okay.  I would have written "UTC" next to the time and date, just to
make it quickly obvious...  As the website does (I didn't think to check
that, until after posting, as is the usual mistake we make).


Use 'date -u' to see your current time in UTC.


There's another command incantation, that I always forget, to do the
reverse, and gives a result easier for us humans to understand:  Enter
the advertised UTC time&  date for something, to find out the local time
it will occur.



date -d 'string'

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Re: unexpected logout

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2009/11/14 David :
> DDR2 and DDR are not compatible. They don't work with each other.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM

However certain motherboards do have the capability to use both kinds
of RAM, not sure whether they do that at the same time though.

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Re: man 3 switch

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2009/11/14 Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 12:16 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:43:53 -0600
>> Chris Adams wrote:
>>
>> > Would you expect to see individual man pages for "if", "?:", "void",
>> > etc.?
>>
>> Actually yes, I would.  Those are fundamental parts of the C language and
>> should have the same man documentation as the library functions.
>
> The C Language is not documented in the man pages. It has *never* been
> documented in the man pages in any version of Unix or Unix-related
> systems that I'm aware of in over 35 years of use. Section 3 states
> clearly that it documents "C Library Functions". Library functions are
> not part of the language. Moreover, IMHO documenting language keywords
> via man pages as they are traditionally understood would be next to
> useless. A language requires a reference manual, tutorials and examples.
> It does not require a man page on "if".
>

This is a bit OT from the thread, but since we are talking about
documentation for programming languages I thought I might as well ask.
When it comes to C libraries and and the C Language, I can refer to
the man and info pages.

But is their any such documentation for C++ and the STL on a GNU/linux
system? I always find myself going to the web for this, searching for
some online tutorial or references. Over time I have come to recognize
which sources to consider more reliable than others, but still any
documentation available on the system locally would be much more
helpful.

Any thoughts anyone?

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Re: unexpected logout

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2009/11/13 Dj YB :
> On Friday November 13 2009 02:44:54 suvayu ali wrote:
>> 2009/11/12 Ed Greshko :
>> > Ed Greshko wrote:
>> >> Yes, it is due to the extension and the way it is treated by MIMEbut
>> >> that's another story.
>> >>
>> >> What is normally recommended is that you run memtest86+.  First you have
>> >> to install it as it isn't installed by default.  Then, AFAIK, the best
>> >> way to run it is standalone.  Meaning from boot.  As an example, I have
>> >> the following in my /boot/grub.conf file.
>> >>
>> >> title Memtest86+
>> >>     root (hd0,0)
>> >>     kernel /memtest86+-2.11 ro root=/dev/mapper/vg_f11-lv_root rhgb
>> >> quiet
>> >>
>> >> Also, I have
>> >>
>> >> timeout=8
>> >> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>> >> hiddenmenu
>> >>
>> >> to ensure I can get to select what I want  :-)
>> >>
>> >> Since the problem is intermittent, you should leave it running for an
>> >> extended period.
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >
>> > The other option I forgot to mention is to download the bootable CD
>> > image from http://www.memtest86.com/ and boot from the CD that you burn.
>>
>> ... or just boot with a Fedora CD or DVD and select memtest in in the
>> boot options menu. :)
>>
> thanks
> but how much time should I wait?
> could there be another explanation?
> I will run this test now and get back to you after it is done
> cheers
> YB.
>

Usually to confirm that your memory modules are working fine its
advisable to wait for the better half of a day. I had similar problems
a few years back, and I finally Identified the bad module after 2-3
days of testing. But of course in that case I had to test four 1gig
modules. That can be a lot of permutations, 4 modules 4 banks so 4 x 4
= 16 possible combos to test.

You are going to need lots of patience and good luck :)
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Re: Extra mouse buttons

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2009/11/12 Konstantin Svist :
> On 11/12/2009 04:51 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
>>
>> In my F11 install it works without any tweaks. I use XFCE. Before F11
>> I had to do some customizations in xorg.conf. Try this url,
>>
>>  http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse5.html
>>
>> But i think this is an outdated way to make this work, it should "just
>> work".
>> PS: I use a Logitech G5
>>
>
> The basic buttons work perfectly for me, it's the extra buttons that I want
> to use. E.g. tilting the wheel left/right.
> Where do you set actions for those?
>

The tilting works for me but only on Firefox. I remember doing
something for those too in xorg.conf for earlier editions of Fedora. I
think its the ZaxisMapping option discussed in the link I provided in
my previous post and another option called ButtonMapping that I had
used. The Gentoo wiki used to have extensive info on all this before
their database corruption. If you can find any archives for that, you
might be able to find them again.

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Re: Extra mouse buttons

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2009/11/12 Konstantin Svist :
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a "good" way to make the extra mouse buttons work in F11/F12?
> In F8 I used something called btnx to map buttons to actions, is that still
> the way to go?
> BTW, I use a Logitech VX Revolution.
>

In my F11 install it works without any tweaks. I use XFCE. Before F11
I had to do some customizations in xorg.conf. Try this url,

 http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse5.html

But i think this is an outdated way to make this work, it should "just work".
PS: I use a Logitech G5

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Re: unexpected logout

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2009/11/12 Ed Greshko :
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it is due to the extension and the way it is treated by MIMEbut
>> that's another story.
>>
>> What is normally recommended is that you run memtest86+.  First you have
>> to install it as it isn't installed by default.  Then, AFAIK, the best
>> way to run it is standalone.  Meaning from boot.  As an example, I have
>> the following in my /boot/grub.conf file.
>>
>> title Memtest86+
>>     root (hd0,0)
>>     kernel /memtest86+-2.11 ro root=/dev/mapper/vg_f11-lv_root rhgb quiet
>>
>> Also, I have
>>
>> timeout=8
>> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>> hiddenmenu
>>
>> to ensure I can get to select what I want  :-)
>>
>> Since the problem is intermittent, you should leave it running for an
>> extended period.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
> The other option I forgot to mention is to download the bootable CD
> image from http://www.memtest86.com/ and boot from the CD that you burn.
>

... or just boot with a Fedora CD or DVD and select memtest in in the
boot options menu. :)

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Re: Getting new laptop today... F12 Beta or wait for full release?

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2009/11/11 Richard Shaw :
> My wife is getting a new laptop[1] today and I don't want to put F11
> on it as F12 is almost here. At the same time, I don't want to leave
> Vista on it any longer than I have to.
>
> Are there any serious issues with F12 Beta that I should wait for the
> full release?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
> [1] http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=210825161
>

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/

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Re: Fedora 11 x86_64, ATI HD4870, and RPM Fusion's Catalyst Drivers...

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Hi everyone,

2009/11/6 suvayu ali :
> 2009/11/6 Paul W. Frields :
>> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 02:28:19PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 12:06:58 -0800,
>>>   suvayu ali  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The next month I am in the middle of something very critical, so can't
>>> > really play around, I need my system to stay up and running. I am even
>>> > holding off the F12 upgrade for this. Would testing with the F12
>>> > LiveCD and giving feedback based on that help? I could easily do that
>>> > without disturbing my current setup.
>>>
>>> I doubt you'd get the experimental driver package on any of the live images.
>>> So you'd need to make your own live image. That may be more trouble than
>>> it's worth.
>>
>> Actually... the thing to do is to make a Live USB out of a Live image,
>> and then you can add/remove packages as needed.  A 2 GB USB key will
>> run you around USD $5-6 online and they're so handy to have around.
>>
>> The nightly composes have Live images you can try out immediately, no
>> need to wait for the final release, even.  Have fun!
>
> The manufacturers say boot from USB is supported on my board, but I
> have never had success with it. :( But I can always create my own
> custom LiveCD, then I don't have to worry about much. :) I will try
> one of these methods and see how things go.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

Just wanted to report that I tried out the 64 bit Game spin Live DVD,
installed mesa-dri-drivers-experimental as Bruno had suggested, and
everything was almost perfect. I could even join a quakelive match and
spectate. (for some odd reason it didn't recognise my keystrokes
leaving no option but to spec) I also started up stellarium nigth sky
viewer, it ran very smoothly although it did crash everytime I clicked
a drop down menu. All in all, it was a very pleasant experience and I
would definitely keep trying it out from time to time along with my
proprietary drivers and switch permanently as soon as it plays my
favourite games without much trouble. :)

Thank you radeon devs. :)
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Re: su/kdesu not working

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2009/11/8 Dj YB :
> I am sorry to have to post this problem to the list, but I got no answer in
> the forum, and couldn't find one elsewere.
>
> I can login as root.
> when trying to su to root using "su" or "su -" i get "su: incorrect password"
> following some threads I added my user to the "wheel" group and tried to edit
> /etc/sudoers using visudo with no luck on both.
> also tried to edit "/etc/pam.d/su" again with no luck.
> I really need a solution since many operations can't be done without su
> normally.
> thanks alot
> YB.
>

Why don't you reboot to runlevel 1 and reset the root password? Isn't
that possible? Then onwards you can use your new root password to su
or edit the /etc/sudoers file.

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Re: Fedora 11 x86_64, ATI HD4870, and RPM Fusion's Catalyst Drivers...

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Hi Paul,

2009/11/5 Paul W. Frields :
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 09:37:29PM +0200, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:27 -0500, Tony Nelson wrote:
>> > On 09-11-05 09:31:45, Raymond C. Rodgers wrote:
>> > > Up until this past weekend, I stayed on Fedora 10 because the closed
>> > > fglrx drivers were stable and functioning, and I didn't want to go
>> >  ...
>> > > ran into a brick wall.
>> >  ...
>> > > In the mean time, does anyone have a clue what might be going on?
>> >
>> > Have you tried booting with the "nomodeset" kernel param?
>>
>> FWIW, I've tried both "nomodeset" and "nopat" on my 4830 with no effect.
>> I downgraded to Catalyst 9.8.
>>
>> See https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900
>
> You might be interested in trying the standard radeon drivers out of
> the box in Fedora 12.  I'm using them on a HD4850 and get full support
> for compiz there.  It's not as fast in framerates as proprietary
> drivers, I bet, but I get somewhere around 2500 fps -- and none of the
> other negative side effects that made the Catalyst drivers such a
> pain.  YMMV.
>

I think although on paper 4850 and 4870s are the same, they behave
very differently. I used the radeon drivers until a few weeks back,
about the time when quakelive received support on linux. I was never
able to turn on desktop effects successfully, either with radeon or
radeonhd. It was the same even for the F12 LiveCD for the Radeon test
day.[1] The penultimate entry is mine. But I have to admit things have
improved by leaps and bounds over the last few months, and I am
waiting for the day when I can switch to open source drivers.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-09_Radeon#Results
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Re: should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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On Wednesday 04 November 2009 04:49 AM, John Austin wrote:

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 07:43 -0500, David wrote:

On 11/4/2009 6:14 AM, Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 03:58 +1100, Roger wrote:

Were I in your position I would opt for 32 bit install the software
and just 'use' the computer.  In truth you probably will install 64
bit and all the discussion is merely opinions.







When I built my first x86_64 box several years ago I immediately
installed an x86_64 Fedora OS and software. With the needed x86 software
and libraries mixed in as dealt with by the Fedora system. I never
'fought' the system. Whatever 'Fedora' wanted to do I did. I have had
none of the problems that some have mentioned. None. Ever.

You bought the hardware why not use it?



+1

Very few problems with 64 bit over 5 years


I have had zero problems with 64 bit over the last yr or so, apart from 
skype. But thats a completely different story :). So I would say, go for 
64 bit if u don't use any proprietary software like skype which doesn't 
behave well on a 64 bit system.


my 2 cents
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Re: Gnome applications and .bash_profile

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Hi Steven,

Steven W. Orr wrote:

On 11/02/09 04:28, quoth Suvayu Ali:

Hi Steven,

On Sunday 01 November 2009 09:32 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:

On 10/31/09 03:39, quoth Jonathan Ryshpan:

IT IS WRONG to set environment variables in your .bashrc unless you
really
know what you're doing. Most people don't. IT IS WRONG to have to run a
terminal emulator program with the idea that it should be a login
shell. ALL
PROGRAMS use the environment, not just terminal emulators. If you log
in then
your environment should be defined.


What is your comment on the method I posted, have your .bash_profile
source your .bashrc ? That way you have a consistent environment every
time, irrespective of whether I am at an xterm or VT or simply running
some GUI app from a menu or icon. (I am of course assuming my desktop
environment sources my .bash_profile, as it should, when I login :) )

Would you say that is a proper way to do things?



It is correct that the .bash_profile should source in the .bashrc but it is
wrong for a terminal emulator to be executed as a login process to account for
gdm's deficiency.

First of all your .bash_profile should source in your .bashrc or else you
won't get any of your bashrc content in your login process. Starting a login
process must run your .bash_profile and starting a sub shell process must run
the .bashrc  This means that the .bashrc must be run by the .bash_profile or
else the login process will never get any of your local aliases, functions and
variable settings.

This confuses a lot of people:

* When you log in, the login process must define the environment. This is done
by sucking in the ~/.bash_profile after the /etc/profile

* The ~/.bashrc is sucked in automatically only by sub shells. To get bashrc
content added to your login shell, the ~/.bash_profile must pull in the 
~/.bashrc

* The /etc/bashrc is not run by the system. The user is responsible for doing
this himself. In your ~/.bashrc should be a line that says:
  . /etc/bashrc

All of what I describe above is how things should be done, but it is *wrong*
for the gdm login process to not run the correct files for you in the first
place. That is why I have showed you how to go about the process of fixing it
properly. You need to see about pulling in the /etc/profile and
~/.bash_profile from the /etc/X11/xinit system. You will *probably* be able to
add a file (maybe call it) /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/00_bash_init.sh  It should
say something like what I mentioned above. I recommend *not* making it
executable even though all of the files in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d are. This
just confuses people more. Sourced files are not executed; they are read into
a current shell.



I know what you mean. I have to do a lot of data analysis at the 
university and we use a really complex framework written in C++, called 
ATHENA. To ensure all the various sub-packages /behave/ with each other 
we use environment variables controlled with lots of sourced shell 
scripts. Its really amazing and extremely elegant way of controlling how 
things behave. :)



If you do it wrong then you will be putting a crappy bandage on a system that
is capable of much elegance. The whole point of environment variables is to
define what *all* child processes will inherit. Look at the env command. It's
not about what you see as being used by bash. It's about what the getenv(3)
and setenv(3) runtime calls make available to all child processes,
irrespective of what language they are written in. The environment is agnostic
about linguistics.

Let's look at an example. In my environment, I define XFILESEARCHPATH and
XUSERFILESEARCHPATH. If I do it then my applications will start up with the
correct set of resources. If I don't then they will not. But what I will not
accept is that I must start my applications from a terminal emulator that was
artificially started with a --login option. That's just silly. If I want to
create a button that run my application then I expect that button to be
running in the proper environment that has those variables set to the values
that I have defined.

Make sense?



Thank you for this entire reply Steven. All the subtleties you mentioned 
makes a lot of sense. Following these simple rules makes everything work 
consistently whether its being run from an xterm, VT or from a button on 
my desktop. I'll try to go over what you said again and try to keep 
those in mind while investigating any future issues and will definitely 
try to include any such information in any bug report I contribute to. 
Thanks a lot, learned a lot. :)


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Re: Gnome applications and .bash_profile

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Hi Steven,

On Sunday 01 November 2009 09:32 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:

On 10/31/09 03:39, quoth Jonathan Ryshpan:

IT IS WRONG to set environment variables in your .bashrc unless you really
know what you're doing. Most people don't. IT IS WRONG to have to run a
terminal emulator program with the idea that it should be a login shell. ALL
PROGRAMS use the environment, not just terminal emulators. If you log in then
your environment should be defined.



What is your comment on the method I posted, have your .bash_profile 
source your .bashrc ? That way you have a consistent environment every 
time, irrespective of whether I am at an xterm or VT or simply running 
some GUI app from a menu or icon. (I am of course assuming my desktop 
environment sources my .bash_profile, as it should, when I login :) )


Would you say that is a proper way to do things?

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Re: "shutdown now" on F11 as root problems and app crashes in VNC sessions

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2009/11/1 Frank Cox :
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:04:59 -0500
> Comcast Mail wrote:
>
> Hello Mr. Mail (or may I call you Comcast?):

or just call him Leland or Scott? ;)

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Re: Gnome applications and .bash_profile

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On Sunday 01 November 2009 01:31 AM, Didar Hossain wrote:

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Didar Hossain  wrote:


Stuff that you need defined irrespective of the type of shell should go in
~/.bashrc


Correction: ~/.bashrc is for non-login shells *only*. So, you will need to put
the stuff in both ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile


... or put this in your .bash_profile and have everything in your .bashrc ;)

if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi


Didar


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Re: Impossible to access boot menu

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On Saturday 31 October 2009 05:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

Marcel Rieux wrote:

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

Marcel Rieux wrote:

I try to access the boot menu, where you can choose a kernel and,
whatever key I press, I can't stop the countdown and access the boot
menu.



The "timeout=0" starts the boot process without delay.  Set it to a
higher number.


I wrote: "I can't stop the countdown", so it means the timeout is long enough.


Keep forgetting the cardinal rule"Don't reply before coffee".

I run with hiddenmenu commented out and timeout=8 and have no problems.
Uncommented and "hit any key" displayed and works fine as well.

Do you have a USB keyboard?


I think that might be the correct question to ask. ;) I have had similar 
problems, the fix was to `enable USB devices while booting' in the BIOS. 
But since you could do this earlier, not sure its a similar problem but 
worth a try.


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