Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Mikkel; On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 17:56 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: [snip] The usual way to check/change settings on the router is to open the web browser to http://192.168.1.1 and log in. This should be covered by the router manual. Neat trick. I will copy and save that one. Although my browsers don't work externally they did find http://192.168.1.1 which gave me a setup page. I didn't change anything but here is the output: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D I assume the LAN MAC Address is the address that faces inward towards my Local Area Network of 3 computers and the WAN MAC Address is what is given to the wider world. In my case, the wider world would be rogers.com, which in turn have their own DHCP server and DNS. Do I have that correct? Unplugging the router will not change anything - the settings are saved. On most home routers, pressing the reset button also does not reset the router. You have to hold it in for anything from 10 seconds to a full minute. This prevents accidental resets. It should work for me. Rogers.com went through a spot a year or so ago when their system kept losing the address and I, and others had to unplug in order to reset. You are right it took over a minute of no power to reset the router and another couple of minutes for the flashing lights on the cable modem to settle down. But unplugging then always got things going again. They seemed to this time, but alas, to no effect on my current problem. I am impressed that my little $10.95 AOpen router has its own program and setup. I had assumed that it was all cached somewhere in my machines memory somehow. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
William Case wrote: Although my browsers don't work externally they did find http://192.168.1.1 which gave me a setup page. I didn't change anything but here is the output: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D I assume the LAN MAC Address is the address that faces inward towards my Local Area Network of 3 computers and the WAN MAC Address is what is given to the wider world. In my case, the wider world would be rogers.com, which in turn have their own DHCP server and DNS. Do I have that correct? Hmm, yes, that is correct. But, I don't see any WAN information here. If the outward side of your router is not configured, you're not going to get too far beyond it The WAN MAC address is the hardware address of the ethernet connection on the outward side of your router. But, without a WAN IP address (assumably given by a Rogers DHCP server) you are as good as disconnected from the Internet. Unplugging the router will not change anything - the settings are saved. On most home routers, pressing the reset button also does not reset the router. You have to hold it in for anything from 10 seconds to a full minute. This prevents accidental resets. It should work for me. Rogers.com went through a spot a year or so ago when their system kept losing the address and I, and others had to unplug in order to reset. You are right it took over a minute of no power to reset the router and another couple of minutes for the flashing lights on the cable modem to settle down. But unplugging then always got things going again. They seemed to this time, but alas, to no effect on my current problem. Unplugging your router and re-plugging it in would have the effect of re-prompting Rogers for an IP address via DHCP on the outward side. I can't say from what you've provided whether the problem is with your router or with Rogers. You *did* pay your last cable bill, right? B^) -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
William Case wrote: Hi Kevin et al; It just got stranger; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 00:07 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: William Case wrote: Although my browsers don't work externally they did find http://192.168.1.1 which gave me a setup page. I didn't change anything but here is the output: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D On re-boot the script messages still show, -- setting NetworkManger waiting for network - failed. Then, httpd: could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using 127.0.0.1 for server name. The little NetworkManager gui in my notification panel shows a red warning with an x and says No network connection. Epiphany and FireFox, along with Evolution, start offline. Putting all three back online gets them all working. Here is the strange thing. Previously when I put Epiphany and Firefox back online as soon as I started them again they went off line immediately. This time they stayed on. I loaded several fresh pages and everything continued to work. Something else to look at... What does your network routing look like? Do you have a proper default route? If not, you won't be able to get beyond your local subnet. /sin/route I'm guessing that if NetworkManager isn't doing it right, its not getting setup. If not, you could try: /sbin/route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 (I think that's the correct syntax) To answer Kevin. Yes the bill is paid. I have one other machine running Ubuntu with no problem and another on WindowsXP. I was kidding! I just shut down and cold rebooted to be sure before sending this post. Every thing is still as above. Check your network routing tables. If you don't tell the networking how to get there, it doesn't know. A new wrinkle I didn't report, but now Evolution is asking for IP account passwords each time I start it. It had stopped doing that in Fedora 9. -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 William Case wrote: snip LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D mac address is a hardware code address placed by manufacturer of your nic [network interface card] or router. to have 2 mac addresses with sequential addressing means that you have a dual purpose card/router. possible wired and wireless. what is model of system? have you check oem site for a manual? most oems will have information available in pdf format. model numbers can be grouped as a series. I assume the LAN MAC Address is the address that faces inward towards my Local Area Network of 3 computers and the WAN MAC Address is what is given to the wider world. In my case, the wider world would be rogers.com, which in turn have their own DHCP server and DNS. Do I have that correct? maybe. again depends on what system is. I am impressed that my little $10.95 AOpen router has its own program and setup. I had assumed that it was all cached somewhere in my machines memory somehow. aopen can be found at http://global.aopen.com/ downloads are at http://download.aopen.com.tw/ most good systems use embedded cpu, rom firmware, flash ram, or solid state disk. cheaper will have an msbsos cd that has to be used. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFImTM/+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAoKSAJsH0wA7OihBdx4sxWV13q5oX/jSHgCdGmW9 wcEvWJbY1NP6ykoHXWw6yQE= =X0Go -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
Hi Kevin; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 01:03 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Kevin et al; It just got stranger; On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 00:07 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: William Case wrote: Although my browsers don't work externally they did find http://192.168.1.1 which gave me a setup page. I didn't change anything but here is the output: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP Server Enabled Firewall Enabled INFORMATION System Time 2008/08/05 21:28:28 System Boot Up Time 0 days 05:17:37 Connected Clients 3 Runtime Code Version V2.00.0042 Boot Code Version V2.00.32 LAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8C WAN MAC Address 00-40-F4-91-17-8D On re-boot the script messages still show, -- setting NetworkManger waiting for network - failed. Then, httpd: could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using 127.0.0.1 for server name. The little NetworkManager gui in my notification panel shows a red warning with an x and says No network connection. Epiphany and FireFox, along with Evolution, start offline. Putting all three back online gets them all working. Here is the strange thing. Previously when I put Epiphany and Firefox back online as soon as I started them again they went off line immediately. This time they stayed on. I loaded several fresh pages and everything continued to work. Something else to look at... What does your network routing look like? Do you have a proper default route? If not, you won't be able to get beyond your local subnet. /sin/route I have posted the result of route -n earlier. There is nothing interesting there. ]$ route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 I'm guessing that if NetworkManager isn't doing it right, its not getting setup. If not, you could try: /sbin/route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 Not necessary. 'route -n' already tells me that 192.168.1.1 is my gateway. (I think that's the correct syntax) To answer Kevin. Yes the bill is paid. I have one other machine running Ubuntu with no problem and another on WindowsXP. I was kidding! I figured you were. I didn't take offence -- it is the type of joke I would have used. But it was a good enough question that it made me go and double check that the other two machines were working. Besides, Rogers has a habit of partially turning services off to work on them without telling customers what it is doing. I just shut down and cold rebooted to be sure before sending this post. Every thing is still as above. Check your network routing tables. If you don't tell the networking how to get there, it doesn't know. A new wrinkle I didn't report, but now Evolution is asking for IP account passwords each time I start it. It had stopped doing that in Fedora 9. Remember Kevin, I am getting ISP service. Everything seems to be boiling down to a NetworkManager problem. -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
