Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Bradley]

On 07/10/2009 09:02 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

You are starting to sound like Sarah Palin  :-)
   

I'm not sure whether that's a compliment or an insult. :-)

Bradley

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 22:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

> You are starting to sound like Sarah Palin  :-)

no need to insult  ;-)

Better to compare to Bristol Palin who has a baby out of wedlock and
then proceeds to give lectures about the right path being abstinence. 

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 05:35 -0500, Bradley wrote:
> http://www.monster.com 
> flat out does not work with 3.5 and they have posted a note to that 
> effect in their FAQ section. 

Works for me, firefox-3.5-1.fc11.x86_64

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Ed Greshko]

Bradley wrote:
> On 07/09/2009 10:10 AM, brian wrote:
>> On 07/09/2009 09:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
>>> I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
>>> website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
>>> of problems with this release. There are numerous reports of users
>>> having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and
>>> website
>>> issues. It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as
>>> any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have
>>> been resolved. If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you
>>> have
>>> "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you
>>> suddenly
>>> go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work. Feel free to check
>>> it out yourself.
>>>
>>> Bradley
>>>
>>
>> Another nonsense post, is more like it. You still have not explained
>> *what* these problems are. Is it locking up? Crashing? Bursting into
>> flames? What are these mysterious problems that you're supposedly
>> giving the heads-up about?
>>
>> Your "information" so far has been little more than rumour & innuendo
>> and you've been evasive when pressed or clarification. FYI, my arse.
>
> (exasperated sigh)
>
> 1)First I would like to express my sincerest apologies to everyone
> on this list as I was not aware that you all were so demanding of such
> detailed information.  I didn't mean to come across as a gossip or as
> a pain-in-the-you-know-what.  In the interest of public information, I
> just wanted to pass along relevant information and then drop it.  I
> will be more prepared in the future.
>
> 2)The reason I didn't give specific information was because I
> didn't keep any to pass along as I figured it would be unnecessary
> given the nature of the problem.  I can see now, that before I post
> anything on this list, I should make sure I have some as I will be
> prompted for it if I don't provide it.
>
> 3)Even though I don't have any screen shots to pass along I did
> find one of the websites that failed to work with it. 
> http://www.monster.com flat out does not work with 3.5 and they have
> posted a note to that effect in their FAQ section.  If you turn off
> javascript, you will not be able to use the site at all.  The problems
> on this site vary to the login window appearing partially behind
> another window and hence sometimes being unable to log on, being
> unable to fully print some articles, etc.  I had a chat specifically
> with their support department and was told that at this time they have
> no plans to change their site to support FF3.5's script commands.
>
> 4)I did finally get a response from Mozilla about this issue and,
> although they sidestepped the question a bit, they did confirm that
> some script commands were changed and/or removed in this version in
> the interest of making FF3.5 run faster, which was their primary
> goal.  They were unspecific in their response and so I can give you
> nothing more than that.  If you need details on what was changed, you
> will need to contact them directly.
>
> I hope this clears things up a bit where my good intentions couple
> with poor preparations caused gross misunderstandings.  From this
> point on I am considering this thread done with unless anyone has
> anything else to add that would help.
>
> Bradley
>
You are starting to sound like Sarah Palin  :-)

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Steve Searle]

Around 11:35am on Friday, July 10, 2009 (UK time), Bradley scrawled:

> (exasperated sigh)

Sighs back :-)

> 3)Even though I don't have any screen shots to pass along I did find 
> one of the websites that failed to work with it.  http://www.monster.com 
> flat out does not work with 3.5 and they have posted a note to that 
> effect in their FAQ section.  If you turn off javascript, you will not 

Just been to their site and had a quick look around.  All seems to work
well including the logon window displaying correctly.  Their FAQ does
not say anything about Firefox 3.5 not working - the only mention of Firefox
in the FAQ is to say that they support Firefox 2.0 and 3.0, and some
generic instructions for enabling and deleting cookies :
http://help.monster.co.uk/my20/faq.asp

Can you post specific pages (not generic websites) that don't work, and,
even better a screenshot of the offence.

I am running Firefox 3.5 in 32 bit Fedora 11 and have not had any
problems with any site so far.  Javascript is enabled.

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Bradley]

On 07/10/2009 05:44 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:

Works fine here:
as do browsing within site.

but as they are aspx pages,
most rational users.
If anything *was* wrong.
Could put it down to the MS crap,
that would probably be wrong.

F11 64 bit
Fedora installed Firefox 3.5
Javascript on

Regards,

Frank
   
That is strange.  The only difference between your config and mine seems 
to be that I'm running 32 bit and you're running 64 bit.


Bradley

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Frank Murphy]

On 10/07/09 11:35, Bradley wrote:



> 

> 3)Even though I don't have any screen shots to pass along I did find
> one of the websites that failed to work with it.  http://www.monster.com
> flat out does not work with 3.5 and they have posted a note to that
> effect in their FAQ section. 

Works fine here:
as do browsing within site.

but as they are aspx pages,
most rational users.
If anything *was* wrong.
Could put it down to the MS crap,
that would probably be wrong.

F11 64 bit
Fedora installed Firefox 3.5
Javascript on

Regards,

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Bradley]

On 07/09/2009 10:10 AM, brian wrote:

On 07/09/2009 09:58 AM, Bradley wrote:

I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
of problems with this release. There are numerous reports of users
having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website
issues. It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as
any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have
been resolved. If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you have
"dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you suddenly
go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work. Feel free to check
it out yourself.

Bradley



Another nonsense post, is more like it. You still have not explained 
*what* these problems are. Is it locking up? Crashing? Bursting into 
flames? What are these mysterious problems that you're supposedly 
giving the heads-up about?


Your "information" so far has been little more than rumour & innuendo 
and you've been evasive when pressed or clarification. FYI, my arse.


(exasperated sigh)

1)First I would like to express my sincerest apologies to everyone 
on this list as I was not aware that you all were so demanding of such 
detailed information.  I didn't mean to come across as a gossip or as a 
pain-in-the-you-know-what.  In the interest of public information, I 
just wanted to pass along relevant information and then drop it.  I will 
be more prepared in the future.


2)The reason I didn't give specific information was because I didn't 
keep any to pass along as I figured it would be unnecessary given the 
nature of the problem.  I can see now, that before I post anything on 
this list, I should make sure I have some as I will be prompted for it 
if I don't provide it.


3)Even though I don't have any screen shots to pass along I did find 
one of the websites that failed to work with it.  http://www.monster.com 
flat out does not work with 3.5 and they have posted a note to that 
effect in their FAQ section.  If you turn off javascript, you will not 
be able to use the site at all.  The problems on this site vary to the 
login window appearing partially behind another window and hence 
sometimes being unable to log on, being unable to fully print some 
articles, etc.  I had a chat specifically with their support department 
and was told that at this time they have no plans to change their site 
to support FF3.5's script commands.


4)I did finally get a response from Mozilla about this issue and, 
although they sidestepped the question a bit, they did confirm that some 
script commands were changed and/or removed in this version in the 
interest of making FF3.5 run faster, which was their primary goal.  They 
were unspecific in their response and so I can give you nothing more 
than that.  If you need details on what was changed, you will need to 
contact them directly.


I hope this clears things up a bit where my good intentions couple with 
poor preparations caused gross misunderstandings.  From this point on I 
am considering this thread done with unless anyone has anything else to 
add that would help.


Bradley

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 13:46 -0400, George Avrunin wrote:
> Well, I'm getting strange behavior on www.nytimes.com with FF 3.5 (but not
> enough to make it unusable).
> 
> I'm on F11, fully updated.  When I click on an article, FF seems to think
> that it's loaded twice. I noticed this because the back arrow wouldn't work
> once I had gone to an article. If I click on the list of sites to go back
> to (the small triangle next to the back and forward arrows), it shows the
> current page twice. Clicking on the back arrow doesn't change that.  But
> if I click on something farther down the list, I get back to that page. 

I saw this for a while with F10 and ff3.0.x.  It persisted when I
upgraded to F11.  It's stopped now. AFAICT.  (I reported it to the
nytimes.com Webmaster a couple of days back, but I have not had a
response.  No other sites have behaved this way for me.)

>  
> 
> I tried moving my .mozilla out of the way and starting fresh and saw the
> same behavior.  Konqueror doesn't have this problem.  I haven't tried FF
> 3.5 on a Windows machine.  Any ideas?
> 
>   George
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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 09 July 2009, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
>2009/7/9 Gene Heskett :
>> On Thursday 09 July 2009, Phil Meyer wrote:
>>>This is nothing new.
>>>
>>>Nothing to see here.  Move along ...
>>
>> Std crowd control practices apply here too. :)
>
>Shoot the ringleader and then point out the next guy to go unless
>everyone else moves back?
>
>Not quite sure how that applies here...

That description doesn't.  I was just amplifying the 'move along _now_'  :)

I have been in a situation that did demand that treatment however.  Worked 
rather well at the time.

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/7/9 Gene Heskett :
> On Thursday 09 July 2009, Phil Meyer wrote:
>>This is nothing new.
>>
>>Nothing to see here.  Move along ...
>
> Std crowd control practices apply here too. :)

Shoot the ringleader and then point out the next guy to go unless
everyone else moves back?

Not quite sure how that applies here...

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:20:45 -0400
George Avrunin wrote:

> Thanks, it does seem to be a javascript problem.  Not sure what changed
> from F10 to F11, but turning off javascript in general or using noscript
> judiciously seems to solve the problem.

http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/squid-privoxy/index.html

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[George Avrunin]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:01:08 -0600, Frank Cox  wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:46:45 -0400
> George Avrunin wrote:
> 
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Try the noscript plugin and allow javascript only on sites that don't work
> without it.  (There are less of them than you think.)
> 

Thanks, it does seem to be a javascript problem.  Not sure what changed
from F10 to F11, but turning off javascript in general or using noscript
judiciously seems to solve the problem.

  George


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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Frank Cox]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:46:45 -0400
George Avrunin wrote:

> Any ideas?

Try the noscript plugin and allow javascript only on sites that don't work
without it.  (There are less of them than you think.)

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 18:54 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 09/07/09 18:46, George Avrunin wrote:
> > Well, I'm getting strange behavior on www.nytimes.com with FF 3.5 (but not
> > enough to make it unusable).
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> Can't see any problems with nytimes.com at my end.
> Links clickable\back\forward all work.
> 
> F11 64bit.

Same here, same platform, same lack of problem.

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Frank Murphy]

On 09/07/09 18:46, George Avrunin wrote:
> Well, I'm getting strange behavior on www.nytimes.com with FF 3.5 (but not
> enough to make it unusable).
> 
>


Can't see any problems with nytimes.com at my end.
Links clickable\back\forward all work.

F11 64bit.
Fedora FF

Regards,

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[George Avrunin]

Well, I'm getting strange behavior on www.nytimes.com with FF 3.5 (but not
enough to make it unusable).

I'm on F11, fully updated.  When I click on an article, FF seems to think
that it's loaded twice. I noticed this because the back arrow wouldn't work
once I had gone to an article. If I click on the list of sites to go back
to (the small triangle next to the back and forward arrows), it shows the
current page twice. Clicking on the back arrow doesn't change that.  But
if I click on something farther down the list, I get back to that page.  

I tried moving my .mozilla out of the way and starting fresh and saw the
same behavior.  Konqueror doesn't have this problem.  I haven't tried FF
3.5 on a Windows machine.  Any ideas?

  George


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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 09 July 2009, Phil Meyer wrote:
>On 07/09/2009 07:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
>> I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
>> website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
>> of problems with this release.  There are numerous reports of users
>> having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and
>> website issues.  It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora
>> (as well as any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these
>> issues have been resolved.  If 3.5 works fine with the sites you
>> visit, they you have "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be
>> surprised if you suddenly go to a new site (for you) and find it
>> doesn't work.  Feel free to check it out yourself.
>>
>> Bradley
>
>Hogwash and Troll spittle.
>
>There are millions of web sites that have trouble with all versions of
>the Mozilla browsers on Linux, as they have been specifically written to
>use active X and other MS only 'features'.
>
And those sites I only hit once.  Fortunately, the activeX crap is rapidly 
becoming a minority as web composers have come to realize that despite the M$ 
claims to the contrary, there are other browsers that _do_ conform to the 
standards out there, and are just as rapidly gaining square footage of dirt 
that IE used to think was all its own by eminent domain or similar nefarious 
schemes, like paying off the Gardener Group to write glowing reviews and miss-
quote the stats if they can.  They do after all, want folks to be able to use 
the site, and the shopping cart MUST work if they intend to make a living from 
it.

>This is nothing new.
>
>Nothing to see here.  Move along ...

Std crowd control practices apply here too. :)

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 09 July 2009, David wrote:
>On 7/9/2009 9:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
>> I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
>> website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
>> of problems with this release.  There are numerous reports of users
>> having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website
>> issues.  It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as
>> any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have
>> been resolved.  If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you
>> have "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you
>> suddenly go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work.  Feel free
>> to check it out yourself.
>
>No proof. No URLs. No examples. No replies to others with useful
>information. Evasive answers.
>
>So what do you all think? Pure Fud. Or a troll?  :-)
>
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>
>  David

Almost reads like an M$ troll to me.  After one initial go away, FF3.5, direct 
from the mozilla site has Just Worked(TM) here.  Whats not to like about that?

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Fennix]

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote:

> On 09/07/09 16:47, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, brian wrote:
> >> On 07/09/2009 09:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >> Another nonsense post, is more like it. You still have not explained
> *what*
> >> these problems are. Is it locking up? Crashing? Bursting into flames?
> What
> >> are these mysterious problems that you're supposedly giving the heads-up
> >> about?
> >>
> >> Your "information" so far has been little more than rumour & innuendo
> and
> >> you've been evasive when pressed or clarification. FYI, my arse.
> >
> > I'll give a key example:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510377
> >
> >
>
> That issue is not what the basis of the thread is about.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
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I do not see any issue here...  Just (finally) successfully ran preupgraded
yesterday to F11 with Firefox 3.5 and my 40+ default tabs all open the same
as Firefox 3.0 on F10...  We do need more information for
testing/verification rather than FUD to work on...
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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Frank Murphy]

On 09/07/09 16:47, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, brian wrote:
>> On 07/09/2009 09:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
>

>>>
>>
>> Another nonsense post, is more like it. You still have not explained *what*
>> these problems are. Is it locking up? Crashing? Bursting into flames? What
>> are these mysterious problems that you're supposedly giving the heads-up
>> about?
>>
>> Your "information" so far has been little more than rumour & innuendo and
>> you've been evasive when pressed or clarification. FYI, my arse.
> 
> I'll give a key example:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510377
> 
> 

That issue is not what the basis of the thread is about.


Regards,

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Lonni J Friedman]

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:10 AM, brian wrote:
> On 07/09/2009 09:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
>>
>> I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
>> website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
>> of problems with this release. There are numerous reports of users
>> having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website
>> issues. It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as
>> any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have
>> been resolved. If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you have
>> "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you suddenly
>> go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work. Feel free to check
>> it out yourself.
>>
>> Bradley
>>
>
> Another nonsense post, is more like it. You still have not explained *what*
> these problems are. Is it locking up? Crashing? Bursting into flames? What
> are these mysterious problems that you're supposedly giving the heads-up
> about?
>
> Your "information" so far has been little more than rumour & innuendo and
> you've been evasive when pressed or clarification. FYI, my arse.

I'll give a key example:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510377





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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[brian]

On 07/09/2009 09:58 AM, Bradley wrote:

I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
of problems with this release. There are numerous reports of users
having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website
issues. It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as
any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have
been resolved. If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you have
"dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you suddenly
go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work. Feel free to check
it out yourself.

Bradley



Another nonsense post, is more like it. You still have not explained 
*what* these problems are. Is it locking up? Crashing? Bursting into 
flames? What are these mysterious problems that you're supposedly giving 
the heads-up about?


Your "information" so far has been little more than rumour & innuendo 
and you've been evasive when pressed or clarification. FYI, my arse.


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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 08:58 -0500, Bradley wrote:
> I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla 
> website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number 
> of problems with this release.  There are numerous reports of users 
> having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website 
> issues.  It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as 
> any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have 
> been resolved.  If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you 
> have "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you 
> suddenly go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work.  Feel free 
> to check it out yourself.

What problem? You don't refer to any previous message so it's hard to
understand what you mean.

poc

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Phil Meyer]

On 07/09/2009 07:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla 
website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number 
of problems with this release.  There are numerous reports of users 
having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and 
website issues.  It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora 
(as well as any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these 
issues have been resolved.  If 3.5 works fine with the sites you 
visit, they you have "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be 
surprised if you suddenly go to a new site (for you) and find it 
doesn't work.  Feel free to check it out yourself.


Bradley



Hogwash and Troll spittle.

There are millions of web sites that have trouble with all versions of 
the Mozilla browsers on Linux, as they have been specifically written to 
use active X and other MS only 'features'.


This is nothing new.

Nothing to see here.  Move along ...

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Re: Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[David]

On 7/9/2009 9:58 AM, Bradley wrote:
> I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla
> website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number
> of problems with this release.  There are numerous reports of users
> having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website
> issues.  It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as
> any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have
> been resolved.  If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you
> have "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you
> suddenly go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work.  Feel free
> to check it out yourself.


No proof. No URLs. No examples. No replies to others with useful
information. Evasive answers.

So what do you all think? Pure Fud. Or a troll?  :-)


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Another Firefox 3.5 problem update

[Bradley]

I just did a bigger search of issues with Firefox 3.5 on the Mozilla 
website and apparently the problem I've experienced is one of a number 
of problems with this release.  There are numerous reports of users 
having to downgrade back to 3.0 due to varying compatibility and website 
issues.  It would therefore be my recommendation that Fedora (as well as 
any other release) to officially not use 3.5 until these issues have 
been resolved.  If 3.5 works fine with the sites you visit, they you 
have "dodged the bullet" successfully but do not be surprised if you 
suddenly go to a new site (for you) and find it doesn't work.  Feel free 
to check it out yourself.


Bradley

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