Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-16 Thread B Wooster
> From: Phil Meyer 
> If your system is capable of running a virtual machine, then yes.
> I do this all the time as a matter of my work.
> You will need the DVD image as an iso file.

Hmmm... intriguing! I do have VMware running on my system, and I think
I should be able to do what you outlined in your email.
This would be a huge help - since configuring the system takes a long
time (need TeX working just right, web scripts just right).

So summarize your solution: make VMWare use the .iso image of an
install CD, and make it use the physical hard drive as its primary. So
this way VMWare won't use a disk file to save its image but use the
physical second drive. This is a bit of a new concept to me, so need
to digest it a bit.
Thanks!

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Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 15:50 +0100, Antonio M wrote:
> 2009/1/16 Aaron Konstam :
> > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 18:27 -0500, Chris Snook wrote:
> >> B Wooster wrote:
> >> > I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora 
> >> > Core 7.
> >> >
> >> > I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
> >> > install Fedora 10 on this.
> >> >
> >> > I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.
> >> >
> >> > So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
> >> > formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
> >> > select and update and install packages.
> >> >
> >> > Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.
> >> >
> >> > Is this possible?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The short answer is no.  The long answer is yes, but it's way more trouble 
> >> than
> >> it's worth.  Last time I checked, installing F10 only took a few minutes.  
> >> Just
> >> wait until you've booted up into it before you install every single 
> >> package in
> >> the distro.
> >>
> >> -- Chris
> >>
> > I don't understand your answer Chris.. The answer is clearly yes. That
> > is what people do when they install Fedora on a machine with Windows.
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> User wants to install on a running system, to be re-booted only after
> installation, so the downtime would be only the time for re-booting!!!
His quesstion was could it be done not whether it would save time.
> 
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Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-16 Thread Phil Meyer

B Wooster wrote:

I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora Core 7.

I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
install Fedora 10 on this.

I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.

So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
select and update and install packages.

Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.

Is this possible?

  


If your system is capable of running a virtual machine, then yes.

I do this all the time as a matter of my work.

You will need the DVD image as an iso file.

Run the emulator pointing its cdrom to your iso, and pointing your 
second hard drive as iits primary.


And away you go!

here is an example:

$ sudo qemu-kvm -hda /dev/sdb -cdrom F10.iso  -boot d -net user -net nic 
-m 1024


If your system does not support kvm, then just use qemu.
The actual name of the .iso file will be different from my example, of 
course.

MAKE SURE /dev/sdb is the drive you want to wipe.

CAVEAT EMPTOR:

grub will be installed on the second drive.  You will need to add one by 
hand to the running system for it to show on the normal list -- or -- 
boot it from the BIOS boot menu.  This usually is by pressing F8 or F12 
or some other key during the BIOS processing to get a boot menu.


You may want to hit F2 at the REBOOT prompt and clean out the 
/etc/udev/rules.d/*persistant* files before booting it up the first 
time.  For this reason, I always install in text mode.  Its a PITA to do 
a F2!!!



Good Luck!

Good luck!

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Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-16 Thread Antonio M
2009/1/16 Aaron Konstam :
> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 18:27 -0500, Chris Snook wrote:
>> B Wooster wrote:
>> > I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora 
>> > Core 7.
>> >
>> > I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
>> > install Fedora 10 on this.
>> >
>> > I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.
>> >
>> > So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
>> > formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
>> > select and update and install packages.
>> >
>> > Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.
>> >
>> > Is this possible?
>> >
>>
>> The short answer is no.  The long answer is yes, but it's way more trouble 
>> than
>> it's worth.  Last time I checked, installing F10 only took a few minutes.  
>> Just
>> wait until you've booted up into it before you install every single package 
>> in
>> the distro.
>>
>> -- Chris
>>
> I don't understand your answer Chris.. The answer is clearly yes. That
> is what people do when they install Fedora on a machine with Windows.
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User wants to install on a running system, to be re-booted only after
installation, so the downtime would be only the time for re-booting!!!

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Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 18:27 -0500, Chris Snook wrote:
> B Wooster wrote:
> > I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora 
> > Core 7.
> > 
> > I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
> > install Fedora 10 on this.
> > 
> > I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.
> > 
> > So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
> > formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
> > select and update and install packages.
> > 
> > Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.
> > 
> > Is this possible?
> > 
> 
> The short answer is no.  The long answer is yes, but it's way more trouble 
> than 
> it's worth.  Last time I checked, installing F10 only took a few minutes.  
> Just 
> wait until you've booted up into it before you install every single package 
> in 
> the distro.
> 
> -- Chris
> 
I don't understand your answer Chris.. The answer is clearly yes. That
is what people do when they install Fedora on a machine with Windows.
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Re: Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-15 Thread Chris Snook

B Wooster wrote:

I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora Core 7.

I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
install Fedora 10 on this.

I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.

So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
select and update and install packages.

Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.

Is this possible?



The short answer is no.  The long answer is yes, but it's way more trouble than 
it's worth.  Last time I checked, installing F10 only took a few minutes.  Just 
wait until you've booted up into it before you install every single package in 
the distro.


-- Chris

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Any way to install new Fedora on second drive of a running system?

2009-01-15 Thread B Wooster
I wonder if this can be done - I'm have a system that is running Fedora Core 7.

I want to avoid shutting down and rebooting and spending the hours to
install Fedora 10 on this.

I do have a second drive in this system that is not being used.

So, wondering if I could run some special install program, that
formats, partitions the second drive, installs Fedora 10, allows me to
select and update and install packages.

Then after I'm done, I'll just boot using the second drive.

Is this possible?

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