Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:54 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to achieve effect X, like I provided here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html The problem with these sort of recipes, quoting part of yours below, is they fall apart when the user-interface changes (as so often happens with courses for learning Word - the user's version is so different from the classroom's version that the student can't repeat what they've learnt), or when you omit something crucial. You can over-simplify things to the point where they're no use, or just plain wrong. Open a new document F11 Standard 4th icon Right click Standard Modify Enable footer OK There is no Standard in the dialogue when I press the F11 key. And your recipe doesn't say, Press F11 to bring up the 'style and formatting list.' Which means I can't do the same thing some other way (e.g. find the same option in a menu), intuitively, because I don't know why I'm pressing F11. I can only follow a set of rules that might not be applicable. And since I see no standard in that dialogue, I wonder whether you're instructions are completely wrong, and I shouldn't be pressing F11. I'll presume that I should click on the fourth icon, but you don't say, and you haven't mentioned that the fourth icon is for *page* styling. And, again, there's no standard anywhere to be seen in that list. I really don't know what you're trying to do with your instructions, as they don't work on the version of OpenOffice.org that comes with Fedora 11, as you've written them. -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
William Case wrote: gpelil, I was trying to tell you that there really are several ways to set up page numbering. I will definitely have to take a closer look to Styles :) This point you made very clear. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:54 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to achieve effect X, like I provided here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html The problem with these sort of recipes, quoting part of yours below, is they fall apart when the user-interface changes (as so often happens with courses for learning Word - the user's version is so different from the classroom's version that the student can't repeat what they've learnt), Students don't learn the string of commands for every operation. At first, of course, it's a pretty mechanicall process but, soon, without all the humdrum of the 1000 pags tutorials, they get they feel of how a word processor works. Open a new document F11 Standard 4th icon Right click Standard Modify Enable footer OK There is no Standard in the dialogue when I press the F11 key. That's because I thought Standard would be pretty standard in both french and english but, in english, Standard is Default. And your recipe doesn't say, Press F11 to bring up the 'style and formatting list.' If you press F11, style and formatting list should be pretyy much what you see. Which means I can't do the same thing some other way (e.g. find the same option in a menu), intuitively, because I don't know why I'm pressing F11. If you read the titre of the F11 menu, you shouldn't be too far from discovering where it is in the menu. Anyway, I'm not suggesting that F11 should be used alone instead of using the menu. I used F11 here because it was shorter to write and I didn't have to care about what the menu options were in english. I'm sure people who know OOo well could do much better than I did with those notes that I took along the operation. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
LyX too complex? ... Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Fernando Cassia wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: From: Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: If you just want to create quality looking documents and you want it easy try LyX. It's TeX based document processor ROFL!! You could also tell him to use vi and type postscript by hand. Someone is complaining that he finds OpenOffice hard to use and you refer him to even more obscure applications that only math freaks love... FC I'm not freak. I have a lot of complexes but not a complex of idiot. ... ... However I am heavily against forcing users to adapt to complex applications with user-hostile interfaces in the age of modern, user-friendly apps like OpenOffice. FC I should probably let it go... And this does not even attempt to answer the OPs question of how to do the thing in OOo... FC, what is your favorite Word Processing program? (some how I get the feeling that you have at least dabbled in other WPs than word a-likes, and I am curious.) * LyX, Complex as compared to Word/OOo? As long as I am only changing the font size and color, Word/OOo MIGHT win. * I am not a math person. * I have given up on trying to write anything other than the big (32pt font) red don't open this door on penalty of death. signs with word or open office, because I use lists quite often (ugh, I am even doing it here :) and doing lists in word/OOo is (to me) only a path to madness (especially nested lists). * have you tried LyX (lately)? LyX is not vi, and it is not an emacs front end to TeX. Knowledge of (La)Tex is not required for normal things. I think that for most things a person could get to creating usable documents by typing the text of one of their documents in and then learning what effects choosing other than 'Standard' in the drop down box has on each line of their text. or take the easy route and read Help - Introduction and Help - Tutorial ... Total of 47 pages if a person reads them all instead of just picking the bits of interest. and if only chapter 2 (7 pages) of the Tutorial was read, the AVERAGE word processor user could probably accomplish most of the USEFUL things they do in the average word processor fairly quickly. Granted I also believe the _average_ word processor user does not read any manual unless some one makes them, and I did not read much of the LyX docs until I wanted to do some less than normal things. BTW thanks to Rex we can `yum install lyx` and have a taste quickly. -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 15:27 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 00:56 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: The only way to get automatic page numbering on every new document seems indeed to create a template this way I don't know why people sound so surprised at that. Since the default is not to do that, and the defaults are set by the default template, making a new default template (one way or another) is the way to change *your* default new documents setup. It's the same for any word processor. I'm not sure about 'any' word processor but it is that way in Microsoft Word and OOo tries to imitate MSWord in every way I gather to leverage the existing users knowledge. There used to be many choices for word processing but they have definitely dwindled. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Sunday 13 September 2009 16:49:08 Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 15:27 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 00:56 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: The only way to get automatic page numbering on every new document seems indeed to create a template this way I don't know why people sound so surprised at that. Since the default is not to do that, and the defaults are set by the default template, making a new default template (one way or another) is the way to change *your* default new documents setup. It's the same for any word processor. I'm not sure about 'any' word processor but it is that way in Microsoft Word and OOo tries to imitate MSWord in every way I gather to leverage the existing users knowledge. There used to be many choices for word processing but they have definitely dwindled. Well, I've used a few in my time - not including MSWord - and I can state categorically that if you want something to appear by default, you put it into your default template. Where else could it be? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Tim wrote: I don't know why people sound so surprised at that. Since the default is not to do that, and the defaults are set by the default template, making a new default template (one way or another) is the way to change *your* default new documents setup. It's the same for any word processor. I was referring to the following message from William Case. that I had completely misunderstood: Hi; On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 21:26 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:30:15 -0400 Christopher K. Johnson wrote: I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically other than creating a document or document template which you open for each new document you start. If you set it up as the default template it will load every time you create a new document of that type. You can set it up as a page style in Styles and Formats; (...) ; or, add the page style as part of template options; or, just change the template directly; or create a macro. There are several ways to number pages. Pick whichever is most convenient to you. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00833.html === From this I had wrongly gathered that there was a possibilility to set page numbering permanently in Format = Styles as or, add the page style as part of template options only seemed like an option. Mr Case was certainly much clearer in his previous message in the same thread. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Craig White wrote: There used to be many choices for word processing but they have definitely dwindled. Indeed. And the new universal spirit seems to the good old WP one, the goal being to convince the user that word processing is pure rocket science. There seems to be a huge book and course industry revolving around word processing... I wished I could find a book/web page with only lists of commands to achieve effect X, like I provided here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00891.html I once found one such book for WP published by Sybex. It summed up both huge WP blue books in less than 200 pocket book pages, All that was missing -- to give people some reason to buy the WP crap, I suppose -- was about WP configuration, under ATL+F2, if I remember well. All the rest was there, and so easy to get to. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Hi; On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 07:26 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Tim wrote: I was referring to the following message from William Case. that I had completely misunderstood: You can set it up as a page style in Styles and Formats; (...) ; or, add the page style as part of template options; or, just change the template directly; or create a macro. There are several ways to number pages. Pick whichever is most convenient to you. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-September/msg00833.html === From this I had wrongly gathered that there was a possibilility to set page numbering permanently in Format = Styles as or, add the page style as part of template options only seemed like an option. Mr Case was certainly much clearer in his previous message in the same thread. gpelil, I was trying to tell you that there really are several ways to set up page numbering. I wasn't saying RTFM in this case. The option that you might want to use depends on personal choice and work habits and the nature of the writing project. By reading the manuals you can get a much clearer view of just what is possible. Option one: In Format = Styles (F11) you can create and name a page style that has page numbering fields where and how you want them -- at the top of the page, in a header or in a footer. When you first open a new document simply Insert = Fields = Page Number and Insert = Fields = Page Count and any text. The disadvantage is that without making a template you have to manually insert your start page number and any text. If you use a header or footer, however, you only have to do it once. The Advantage is you can create several styles depending on the type of document you use. For me, I have at least 4 styles a) FirstPage witn no page numbering; b) A Preface style which numbers pages in small roman numerals c) body style with normal page numbering, and d) a chapter style for long documents. You can add more page styles as you need them. Having made all these styles saves me from having to create several document templates and from having to decide before I type a word what kind of document I am going to write. I can easily change my mind to expand the document. Option two: Having created various page styles, you can save your current document with or without content as a template - E.g. 'Publish_Doc.ott'. When you open the default template none of your custom page styles will show, but if you open the 'Publish_Doc' template your page styles will be available. Option three: Set up your first page exactly as you want it, content and all, and save that as a template. That will give you exactly the page numbering as you outlined in your original post. However, you will have limited flexibility and if you want to change anything you are back at square one -- as if you had opened the default template. Option four: Four is a whole new exercise in learning. Write a macro to insert the page numbering where and how you design it. Besides the online help check out http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/index.html and there has been lots of discussion regarding page numbering in the OOo users archive. http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=users It doesn't take long to master styles or templates in OOo. They are an invaluable tool. I have to use M$ Word from time to time as well. In comparison, page numbering in Word is a real PIA. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
gil...@altern.org wrote: Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! If you just want to create quality looking documents and you want it easy try LyX. It's TeX based document processor. -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- pub 1024D/085B139A 2009-09-11 uid Hiisi (Hiisi Troll) saipp...@gmail.com sub 2048g/F9138A60 2009-09-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: gil...@altern.org wrote: Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! If you just want to create quality looking documents and you want it easy try LyX. It's TeX based document processor ROFL!! You could also tell him to use vi and type postscript by hand. Someone is complaining that he finds OpenOffice hard to use and you refer him to even more obscure applications that only math freaks love... FC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:01:45 -0300 From: Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 52733fad0909120801x73ff8e99l7a6a49661c9fb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: gil...@altern.org wrote: Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! If you just want to create quality looking documents and you want it easy try LyX. It's TeX based document processor ROFL!! You could also tell him to use vi and type postscript by hand. Someone is complaining that he finds OpenOffice hard to use and you refer him to even more obscure applications that only math freaks love... FC I'm not freak. I have a lot of complexes but not a complex of idiot. Actually vi/vim is my favourite text editor. If you have problems with understanding of vi type 'vimtutor' in the terminal or google the question. Here's useful link: http://www.jerrywang.net/vi/ By the way, terminal - is another obscure application that only math freaks love... -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A 2009-09-11 uid Hiisi (Hiisi Troll) saipp...@gmail.com sub 2048g/F9138A60 2009-09-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:01:45 -0300 From: Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: 52733fad0909120801x73ff8e99l7a6a49661c9fb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: gil...@altern.org wrote: Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! If you just want to create quality looking documents and you want it easy try LyX. It's TeX based document processor ROFL!! You could also tell him to use vi and type postscript by hand. Someone is complaining that he finds OpenOffice hard to use and you refer him to even more obscure applications that only math freaks love... FC I'm not freak. I have a lot of complexes but not a complex of idiot. Actually vi/vim is my favourite text editor. If you have problems with understanding of vi type 'vimtutor' in the terminal or google the question. Here's useful link: http://www.jerrywang.net/vi/ By the way, terminal - is another obscure application that only math freaks love... I'm a terminal (command line) lover, since the AmigaDOS / DR-DOS, OS/2, Unix days. However I am heavily against forcing users to adapt to complex applications with user-hostile interfaces in the age of modern, user-friendly apps like OpenOffice. FC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Christopher K. Johnson wrote: I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically other than creating a document or document template The only way to get automatic page numbering on every new document seems indeed to create a template this way: (Note: Translation from french. Might not be 100% exact in english.) Open a new document F11 Standard 4th icon Right click Standard Modify Enable footer OK In footer: Insert Field Page number Add /, or of. or whatever Field Total pages Save the document as a template: File Templates Save as My template, whatever - To use the template: File New Templates and documents Select your template - To edit the template: File Templates Edit Choose template Open F11 4th icon Standard Modify - You then get automatic page numbering on every new document you open with this template. Of course, I have no idea if this is the most standard procedure, but it does seem to provide expected results. I can't help but wonder how this is accomplished in Word... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 00:56 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: The only way to get automatic page numbering on every new document seems indeed to create a template this way I don't know why people sound so surprised at that. Since the default is not to do that, and the defaults are set by the default template, making a new default template (one way or another) is the way to change *your* default new documents setup. It's the same for any word processor. -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 03:47 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Try Help = Index = Page numbers Or try any of the many extra help pages, manuals or tutorials there are online for OO Writer. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
gil...@altern.org wrote: Sometimes OpenOffice reminds me of the bad old days of WordPerfect. Everything is so complicated, even though the document formatting I need is just elementary. For now, all I want to do is set automatic page numbering in the x/y format, e.g.: 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, etc., for every new document I create. How do I do this? Thanks! I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically other than creating a document or document template which you open for each new document you start. Insert footer, then click within the footer, set centered line justification, insert field page, type '/', insert field page count. Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:30:15 -0400 Christopher K. Johnson wrote: I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically other than creating a document or document template which you open for each new document you start. If you set it up as the default template it will load every time you create a new document of that type. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Automatic page numbering in OpenOffice
Hi; On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 21:26 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:30:15 -0400 Christopher K. Johnson wrote: I'm not sure whether there is any way to set this up automatically other than creating a document or document template which you open for each new document you start. If you set it up as the default template it will load every time you create a new document of that type. You can set it up as a page style in Styles and Formats; or, create a first page in styles + a next page style that has the page number in footer or header; or, add the page style as part of template options; or, just change the template directly; or create a macro. There are several ways to number pages. Pick whichever is most convenient to you. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
