Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Christopher A. Williams
I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
able to get WiFi to come up on at all.

Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.

In each case, the default F11 B43 drivers simply don't work at all. I
also have tried the kmod-wl / broadcom-wl drivers from RPM Fusion. No
Dice.

This is really starting to irritate me It's almost to the point that
I'm ready to rip these adapters out of these machines and replace them
with Intel ones if I can find some that will fit.

What needs to happen to have Broadcom's goofy hardware to behave and
actually work using F11?

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Christopher A.
Williams wrote:
> I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
> able to get WiFi to come up on at all.
>
> Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
> Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
> other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.

Broadcom has a history of being outright hostile toward the FOSS
software developers...  Check this out...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/new_linux_broadcom_wi_fi_drivers_arrive

If you want top-notch linux support, remove one (1) screw from the
back of the lappy to expose the Wi-Fi card, remove it, and replace it
with one with an atheros chipset. Only $16 + shipping in the US of
A...

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Mini-PCI-Wireless-card-802.11a%2Fb%2Fg-Atheros-AR5004X_W0QQitemZ180353169089QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090504?IMSfp=TL090504122008r37515

FC

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Martín Marqués
2009/6/23 Christopher A. Williams 
>
> I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
> able to get WiFi to come up on at all.
>
> Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
> Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
> other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.
>
> In each case, the default F11 B43 drivers simply don't work at all. I
> also have tried the kmod-wl / broadcom-wl drivers from RPM Fusion. No
> Dice.
>
> This is really starting to irritate me It's almost to the point that
> I'm ready to rip these adapters out of these machines and replace them
> with Intel ones if I can find some that will fit.

Details are needed. Some broadcom cards won't work.

Give us the output of lspci -vv (only the specific to the wifi card).

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Ian Chapman

On 23/06/09 22:16, Christopher A. Williams wrote:

I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
able to get WiFi to come up on at all.

Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.


Despite that fact that Broadcom are arseholes when it comes to Linux 
I've found the adaptors work pretty damn well, thanks to the guys who've 
meticulously worked to provide the kernel drives. I would guess that 
you're missing the required firmware? It isn't distributed with Fedora 
for legal reasons. Have a look here, particularly the section about 
firmware installation:


http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43

This has worked perfectly for me, for both BCM4306 and BCM4311. If you 
try this, I would make sure broadcom-wl is uninstalled.


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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 11:34 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/6/23 Christopher A. Williams 
> >
> > I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
> > able to get WiFi to come up on at all.
> >
> > Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
> > Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
> > other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.
> >
> > In each case, the default F11 B43 drivers simply don't work at all. I
> > also have tried the kmod-wl / broadcom-wl drivers from RPM Fusion. No
> > Dice.
> >
> > This is really starting to irritate me It's almost to the point that
> > I'm ready to rip these adapters out of these machines and replace them
> > with Intel ones if I can find some that will fit.
> 
> Details are needed. Some broadcom cards won't work.
> 
> Give us the output of lspci -vv (only the specific to the wifi card).

Your wish is my command!

...At least for the Gateway laptop. It's sitting right next to me so
that was pretty easy. I'll have to get the other laptop back later.

02:04.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One
54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: Broadcom Corporation Gateway 7510GX
Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Christopher A. Williams wrote:

> Your wish is my command!
>
> ...At least for the Gateway laptop. It's sitting right next to me so
> that was pretty easy. I'll have to get the other laptop back later.
>
> 02:04.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One
> 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
>   Subsystem: Broadcom Corporation Gateway 7510GX
... etc ...

  that is *exactly* the setup on the gateway laptop i have next to me,
on which i'd like to install f11 later this week, so if you keep
careful notes, that would be just ducky!  :-)

  actually, i have a pretty good idea how to install then add the
appropriate firmware later, but if someone can verify the steps before
i get there, well, bonus.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 22:44 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
> On 23/06/09 22:16, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
> > able to get WiFi to come up on at all.
> >
> > Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
> > Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
> > other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.
> 
> Despite that fact that Broadcom are arseholes when it comes to Linux 
> I've found the adaptors work pretty damn well, thanks to the guys who've 
> meticulously worked to provide the kernel drives. I would guess that 
> you're missing the required firmware? It isn't distributed with Fedora 
> for legal reasons. Have a look here, particularly the section about 
> firmware installation:
> 
> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
> 
> This has worked perfectly for me, for both BCM4306 and BCM4311. If you 
> try this, I would make sure broadcom-wl is uninstalled.

Thanks!

This worked like a champ. On both machines.

Just for clarification on F11, the _only_ thing that is missing is the
firmware. The b43-fwcutter version that comes with F11 works on the
firmware packages. There is no need to install it again. Also, the
firmware directory on F11 is /lib/firmware - the default location for
most distros.

All I needed to to was to download the correct firmware package and
extract per the instructions above, and voila!

Cheers,

Chris


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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Martín Marqués
2009/6/23 Christopher A. Williams 
>
> 02:04.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One
> 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)

This chip is supported.

Download the firmware and follow the instruction from:

http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 13:17 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/6/23 Christopher A. Williams 
> >
> > 02:04.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One
> > 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
> 
> This chip is supported.
> 
> Download the firmware and follow the instruction from:
> 
> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43


Actually, Thanks to Ian Chapman, we figured this out and resolved the
issue about 30 minutes prior to your reply. Thanks for looking though -
it is the correct solution.

Cheers,

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Bill Davidsen

Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Christopher A.
Williams wrote:

I have a couple of laptops I've been working on that I have not been
able to get WiFi to come up on at all.

Both of them have the Broadcom BC43XX series adapters. One of them is a
Gateway MX6030 laptop equipped with a Broadcom BCM4318 adapter and the
other is a Dell Inspiron e1705 with a BCM4311 adapter.


Broadcom has a history of being outright hostile toward the FOSS
software developers...  Check this out...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/new_linux_broadcom_wi_fi_drivers_arrive


Ubuntu 8 is about to be released... wait, that means the article is years old.

To provide the full story, the adapters in question are capable of being 
operated outside the FCC allowed parameters, and Broadcom has expressed some 
doubts about the wisdom of allowing fully open source. You may think their 
lawyers are jerks, but they are paid to do CYA, and by keeping the firmware 
closed they protect themselves.


You can agree or disagree with their legal position, but given the support they 
do provide, I think "outright hostile toward the FOSS software developers" is 
pretty strong. I call it overly cautious, and having nothing in my religion 
which forbids using kmod-wl I'm happy.


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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/new_linux_broadcom_wi_fi_drivers_arrive
>>
> Ubuntu 8 is about to be released... wait, that means the article is years
> old.

No,  it was published
October 7, 2008 - 8:05 P.M.
(the date is right at the top)

That makes it eight months old.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Sam Varshavchik

On-topic for this thread:

I've got a F10 laptop with a Broadcom chipset. The kernel driver works 
fine, with the fw-cutter extracted firmware.


How can I boot the F11 Live CD to verify that wireless works? It probably 
does, but I'd like to be sure. I need to have the firmware files merged into 
the CD.





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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

"Christopher A. Williams"  writes:
> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 22:44 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
>> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
>> 
>> This has worked perfectly for me, for both BCM4306 and BCM4311. If you 
>> try this, I would make sure broadcom-wl is uninstalled.
>
> Thanks!
>
> This worked like a champ. On both machines.

I wonder, would this shell script to wget the binaries and then
b43-fwcutter them be the sort of thing that rpmfusion could package up?

Having everybody navigate to a web page, figure out which of several
code snippets they need and and cut and paste them into a shell window,
sounds like the sort of thing that give linux its "user unfriendly"
label.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 19:13 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> On-topic for this thread:
> 
> I've got a F10 laptop with a Broadcom chipset. The kernel driver works 
> fine, with the fw-cutter extracted firmware.
> 
> How can I boot the F11 Live CD to verify that wireless works? It probably 
> does, but I'd like to be sure. I need to have the firmware files merged into 
> the CD.
> 

I'm not sure how I would do that with a CD, but if you created a
bootable USB drive with some persistent storage, it's quite straight
forward to do. 


Assuming a 1GB USB drive, you can create from the command line with:

livecd-iso-to-disk --overlay-size-mb 250  

Then just boot from the USB drive and copy over the files as before.

Cheers,

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Martín Marqués
2009/6/23 Sam Varshavchik :
> On-topic for this thread:
>
> I've got a F10 laptop with a Broadcom chipset. The kernel driver works fine,
> with the fw-cutter extracted firmware.
>
> How can I boot the F11 Live CD to verify that wireless works? It probably
> does, but I'd like to be sure. I need to have the firmware files merged into
> the CD.

If F10's b43 driver worked, it's almost certain that the F11 kernel
will as well.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Martín Marqués
2009/6/23 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
>
> "Christopher A. Williams"  writes:
>> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 22:44 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
>>> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
>>>
>>> This has worked perfectly for me, for both BCM4306 and BCM4311. If you
>>> try this, I would make sure broadcom-wl is uninstalled.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> This worked like a champ. On both machines.
>
> I wonder, would this shell script to wget the binaries and then
> b43-fwcutter them be the sort of thing that rpmfusion could package up?
>
> Having everybody navigate to a web page, figure out which of several
> code snippets they need and and cut and paste them into a shell window,
> sounds like the sort of thing that give linux its "user unfriendly"
> label.

Havn't seen this on Fedora packages, but on Debian non-free there's a
packaged named flashplugin-nonfree, which has a script named
/usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree that downloads the flashplugin
from the adobe site and installs it.

Same thing could be done for b43 firmware.

You could add a wissh to rpmfusion.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:48 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote:
> 2009/6/23 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
> >
> > "Christopher A. Williams"  writes:
> >> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 22:44 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
> >>> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
> >>>
> >>> This has worked perfectly for me, for both BCM4306 and BCM4311. If you
> >>> try this, I would make sure broadcom-wl is uninstalled.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> This worked like a champ. On both machines.
> >
> > I wonder, would this shell script to wget the binaries and then
> > b43-fwcutter them be the sort of thing that rpmfusion could package up?
> >
> > Having everybody navigate to a web page, figure out which of several
> > code snippets they need and and cut and paste them into a shell window,
> > sounds like the sort of thing that give linux its "user unfriendly"
> > label.
> 
> Havn't seen this on Fedora packages, but on Debian non-free there's a
> packaged named flashplugin-nonfree, which has a script named
> /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree that downloads the flashplugin
> from the adobe site and installs it.
> 
> Same thing could be done for b43 firmware.
> 
> You could add a wissh to rpmfusion.

Are we sure they would take this on? They are already carrying the
Broadcom "official" drivers as the kmod-wl package set.

If they did, they would have to make the two mutually exclusive and
explain the difference between them because kmod-wl blacklists the other
F11 B43 drivers.

Still well worth asking the question though...

Cheers,

Chris


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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 24.06.2009 02:57, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 21:48 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote:
>> 2009/6/23 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht :
>>> "Christopher A. Williams"  writes:
 On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 22:44 +0800, Ian Chapman wrote:
> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
> This has worked perfectly for me, for both BCM4306 and BCM4311. If you
> try this, I would make sure broadcom-wl is uninstalled.
 This worked like a champ. On both machines.
>>> I wonder, would this shell script to wget the binaries and then
>>> b43-fwcutter them be the sort of thing that rpmfusion could package up?
>>>
>>> Having everybody navigate to a web page, figure out which of several
>>> code snippets they need and and cut and paste them into a shell window,
>>> sounds like the sort of thing that give linux its "user unfriendly"
>>> label.
>>
>> Havn't seen this on Fedora packages, but on Debian non-free there's a
>> packaged named flashplugin-nonfree, which has a script named
>> /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree that downloads the flashplugin
>> from the adobe site and installs it.
>>
>> Same thing could be done for b43 firmware.
>>
>> You could add a wissh to rpmfusion.
> 
> Are we sure they would take this on? 

No promised, but I said we should definitely take this. It's just the
usual problem: Someone has to package it, submitt it for review and take
care of the package afterwards. But it's not that much of work for
someone that knows packaging and already contributes to Fedora or RPM
Fusion.

> [...]

CU
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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:55:29 +0200,
  Thorsten Leemhuis  wrote:
> 
> No promised, but I said we should definitely take this. It's just the
> usual problem: Someone has to package it, submitt it for review and take
> care of the package afterwards. But it's not that much of work for
> someone that knows packaging and already contributes to Fedora or RPM
> Fusion.

Maybe we should package the free, reversed engineered firmware:
http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-24 Thread John

On 06/24/2009 11:28 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:55:29 +0200,
   Thorsten Leemhuis  wrote:

No promised, but I said we should definitely take this. It's just the
usual problem: Someone has to package it, submitt it for review and take
care of the package afterwards. But it's not that much of work for
someone that knows packaging and already contributes to Fedora or RPM
Fusion.


Maybe we should package the free, reversed engineered firmware:
http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/

I am running Fedora 11 on a couple of laptops with B43 and I got the 
installation files and instructions from this site:



http://www.dnmouse.org/broadcom.html

I hope this helps


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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-25 Thread Bill Davidsen

Sam Varshavchik wrote:

On-topic for this thread:

I've got a F10 laptop with a Broadcom chipset. The kernel driver works 
fine, with the fw-cutter extracted firmware.


How can I boot the F11 Live CD to verify that wireless works? It 
probably does, but I'd like to be sure. I need to have the firmware 
files merged into the CD.




Put the CD in the drive and boot? Assuming there is a drive...
You might have to change boot order in the BIOS to boot CD before disk.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-25 Thread Bill Davidsen

John wrote:

On 06/24/2009 11:28 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:55:29 +0200,
   Thorsten Leemhuis  wrote:

No promised, but I said we should definitely take this. It's just the
usual problem: Someone has to package it, submitt it for review and take
care of the package afterwards. But it's not that much of work for
someone that knows packaging and already contributes to Fedora or RPM
Fusion.


Maybe we should package the free, reversed engineered firmware:
http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/

I am running Fedora 11 on a couple of laptops with B43 and I got the 
installation files and instructions from this site:



http://www.dnmouse.org/broadcom.html

I hope this helps



Thanks for the link, good to have.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-06-30 Thread John W. Linville
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:28:36AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:55:29 +0200,
>   Thorsten Leemhuis  wrote:
> > 
> > No promised, but I said we should definitely take this. It's just the
> > usual problem: Someone has to package it, submitt it for review and take
> > care of the package afterwards. But it's not that much of work for
> > someone that knows packaging and already contributes to Fedora or RPM
> > Fusion.
> 
> Maybe we should package the free, reversed engineered firmware:
> http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/

We almost certainly should...

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-07-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:49:16 -0400,
  "John W. Linville"  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:28:36AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe we should package the free, reversed engineered firmware:
> > http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/
> 
> We almost certainly should...

Turns out a package review for this had been submitted several months ago
and now things are moving forward again.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490892

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-07-01 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: John W. Linville 
| 
| On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:28:36AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

| > Maybe we should package the free, reversed engineered firmware:
| > http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/
| 
| We almost certainly should...

Interesting!

This concerned me:

What this firmware does not support:

* does not implement RTS/CTS handshake procedure, must be disabled
  on module load
>   * does not work with hardware cryptography acceleration, use
  without encryption!
* does not work with dot11 QoS, must be disabled on module load

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-07-02 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/7/2 D. Hugh Redelmeier :
> >   * does not work with hardware cryptography acceleration, use
>          without encryption!

So we fall back to doing it in software. No biggie.

Richard.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-07-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
I have updated broadcom wiki with info on how to install firmware on
Fedora 10 and 11:
http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmware_installation

Please check it out and correct it if I put some wrong info.

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-07-10 Thread John W. Linville
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:57:09AM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> I have updated broadcom wiki with info on how to install firmware on
> Fedora 10 and 11:
> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmware_installation
> 
> Please check it out and correct it if I put some wrong info.

Have you (or anyone) tried the 4.150.10.5 firmware?  It should be
compatible with current Fedora kernels for some time.  Support for
the older firmware is still officially slated to be dropped upstream,
FWIW...

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Re: Broadcom BCM43XX Nightmarte on F11

2009-07-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:57:09 +0200,
  Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> I have updated broadcom wiki with info on how to install firmware on
> Fedora 10 and 11:
> http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmware_installation
> 
> Please check it out and correct it if I put some wrong info.

The free firmware for some b43 devices is about to show up in Fedora.
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490892)
You may want to put up instructions on how and when to use it in addition to
the other instructions there.

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