Re: CF and Swap
Joerg Bergmann wrote: Most of the CF with 8GB are more expense compared to the cheapest 8GB SSD device (IDE, 8GB, MLC, here in Germany 35 Euros). And CF are MLC, at least all the cheap ones! I personally would prefer SLC devices, they last substantially longer compared to MLC devices. I have a phenom II PC with a 64GB SLC disk, 32GB Win XP, 32GB fedora 11 partitions alltogether, no swap (4GB RAM, x86_32). At my opinion, there is no need for swap on machines with several GB RAM. At the very least you want swap so you can suspend to disk. The swap need not be as large as all memory, cache and buffers will go to disk as part of the suspend IIRC. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CF and Swap
See www.computeruniverse.net, Hardware->Hard Disk Drives->SSD, select: Capacity 32GB, Technology SLC, Interface Type IDE/PATA and there will be listed Mtron SSD Mobi 3000 32GB, 1.8", 100MB/s, PATA/ZIF1 as well as PATA/ZIF2. Prices will be below 200 Euro. Joerg Am 01.10.2009 17:50, schrieb Marco Devillers: Ok, cool, last mail, thanks for all support. I'll need a solid state replacement 1.8inch, at most 5mm high, PATA, ZIF connector, if anandtech is right. Cheapest I found so far is 32GB, around 1000 USD. Any referal to any good reseller in Germany/the Netherlands would be appreciated. I might go SSD. I'll reinstall Fedora Life 11 over the trashed drive and see if I can make it work without swap, or memory mounted swap. The smartctl monitor gives failures everywhere, so I am pretty sure the thing is trashed. Does CF give decent read/write speeds? I don't care a lot because otherwise I'll just use it as a portable X-terminal at home and configure another machine as development server. Thanks, will let you know if it worked or the MacBook turned into flames. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
re: CF and Swap
Ok, cool, last mail, thanks for all support. I'll need a solid state replacement 1.8inch, at most 5mm high, PATA, ZIF connector, if anandtech is right. Cheapest I found so far is 32GB, around 1000 USD. Any referal to any good reseller in Germany/the Netherlands would be appreciated. I might go SSD. I'll reinstall Fedora Life 11 over the trashed drive and see if I can make it work without swap, or memory mounted swap. The smartctl monitor gives failures everywhere, so I am pretty sure the thing is trashed. Does CF give decent read/write speeds? I don't care a lot because otherwise I'll just use it as a portable X-terminal at home and configure another machine as development server. Thanks, will let you know if it worked or the MacBook turned into flames. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CF and Swap
Most of the CF with 8GB are more expense compared to the cheapest 8GB SSD device (IDE, 8GB, MLC, here in Germany 35 Euros). And CF are MLC, at least all the cheap ones! I personally would prefer SLC devices, they last substantially longer compared to MLC devices. I have a phenom II PC with a 64GB SLC disk, 32GB Win XP, 32GB fedora 11 partitions alltogether, no swap (4GB RAM, x86_32). At my opinion, there is no need for swap on machines with several GB RAM. Joerg Am Donnerstag, den 01.10.2009, 13:40 +0200 schrieb Marco Devillers: > (I am using daily digests since this is a high-volume list) > > > Thanks for your responses. > > > Yes the idea is to install a SATA to CF converter as a cheap SSD, > possibly > i'll opt for SSD, but this is just an interesting route I wanted to > take. Boot > speed I dont care about a lot, and I thought it would be interesting > to turn > the MacBook Air into a small embedded device. Its minimal enough for > my needs > as it is. > > > On the issue of how big the disk should be. I use some eye-candy > (svg-icons), > and stick to gcc/Python and vi. No Java, no IDEs. Occasionally I use > inkscape and > Gimp. > > > Am I correct in assuming that 4GB would be proper for the install of > FC10 + dev tools, > and another 4GB as playing space would be enough? > > > As for the memory mounted swap. Until now, I assumed that the kernel > doesnt > function properly without some swap mounted somewhere. So, on a 2GB > machine > I thought I could allocate 256MB just to keep the kernel satisfied. > Did this change in > recent years? If not, it should serve as a development machine, I will > sacrifice memory > for stability here. > > > Which begs another question: if I install a life CD to HD, is that an > installation > of a Life CD (with some of memory mapped disks), or an installation of > FC proper > with a normal layout. Otherwise I'll try the route of going with a CF > (cheap SSD) > and just run an install of Fedora Life on it. Is this an option? > > > Thanks again. > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CF and Swap
(I am using daily digests since this is a high-volume list) Thanks for your responses. Yes the idea is to install a SATA to CF converter as a cheap SSD, possibly i'll opt for SSD, but this is just an interesting route I wanted to take. Boot speed I dont care about a lot, and I thought it would be interesting to turn the MacBook Air into a small embedded device. Its minimal enough for my needs as it is. On the issue of how big the disk should be. I use some eye-candy (svg-icons), and stick to gcc/Python and vi. No Java, no IDEs. Occasionally I use inkscape and Gimp. Am I correct in assuming that 4GB would be proper for the install of FC10 + dev tools, and another 4GB as playing space would be enough? As for the memory mounted swap. Until now, I assumed that the kernel doesnt function properly without some swap mounted somewhere. So, on a 2GB machine I thought I could allocate 256MB just to keep the kernel satisfied. Did this change in recent years? If not, it should serve as a development machine, I will sacrifice memory for stability here. Which begs another question: if I install a life CD to HD, is that an installation of a Life CD (with some of memory mapped disks), or an installation of FC proper with a normal layout. Otherwise I'll try the route of going with a CF (cheap SSD) and just run an install of Fedora Life on it. Is this an option? Thanks again. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
