Re: F11 dvd media errors
Joe Smith wrote: I'm having no luck getting the F11 dvd media to pass the initial media check. Has anyone had any luck with this? Downloaded Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso using the fedoraproject.org torrent. The disk image passed the sha256sum check. Burning to dvd+r gave no errors. Booting the F11 dvd and running the media check failed twice on the first disk I made, and again after burning and booting a new copy. Running the F11 media check on my F10 dvd was successful. Booting the F10 dvd and running the media check on the F11 dvd gave this error: Unable to read the disc checksum from the primary volume descriptor. This probably means the disc was created without adding the checksum. It hardly seems possible that the F11 dvd image is borked, but that's what it looks like. Any suggestions? I had the same issue. After trying to burn on two different DVD burners and downloading a 2nd time I finally decided to try and upgrade my F10 system anyway. The upgrade ran to completion without any errors. It rebooted fine. The DNS settings were not copied over and I had to enter them. I was able to get on the network wired. Yumex would not run. Yum clean all finally cleared that up. When I did a yum update it downloaded over 800mb. As far as I could tell they were all F11 updates. After that update and a reboot I got a blinking cursor and blank screen. At this point I restored F10. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Once upon a time, Joe Smith said: > A fallback would be slick, but I'd be happy it it would just stop > installing packages and do whatever final set up is needed to leave a > bootable, if not entirely complete, system. The problem there is that it is being processed as a single big RPM transaction, and aborting part way through is really a mess. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
> What Alan is talking about is a little more difficult, because you'd > have to have the network as a fall-back for the local media. I believe Other way up I think. If you do the install so that the view is that the DVD or other media is a cache of packages you can also do things like install latest version or installs where the DVD has the 2/3rd of packages that fitted. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On 06/12/2009 11:46 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Patrick O'Callaghan said: ... Interesting thought. In fact there's no reason an install DVD can't offer you stuff that's not physically present. ... Um, I'm pretty sure it already does that. The network repos are listed, you just have to click to enable them. Yep. I saw that you could enable other repos during the f11 install. What Alan is talking about is a little more difficult, because you'd have to have the network as a fall-back for the local media A fallback would be slick, but I'd be happy it it would just stop installing packages and do whatever final set up is needed to leave a bootable, if not entirely complete, system. Of course, if a critical package(s) is missing it won't boot, but IME, most media errors come late in the install after all the critical stuff is already loaded. Better to end up with a system that I could at least try to boot, and then decide how to proceed. Instead, the system is a brick until the problem is diagnosed (drive? disk?) and fixed. Even "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" was better than a halt and a dead box. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Once upon a time, Patrick O'Callaghan said: > On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 16:27 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Somewhere around Red Hat 9 I filed an RFE that any package it couldn't > > read off CD/DVD it would let you go to the network to download. Sadly its > > not been followed up in all the years since. > > > > In RH9 days it would have been quite hard, today it ought to be far > > easier. > > Interesting thought. In fact there's no reason an install DVD can't > offer you stuff that's not physically present. Maybe it'll come into its > own for Fedora ??, when the full set of standard packages won't fit on a > single-layer DVD :-) Um, I'm pretty sure it already does that. The network repos are listed, you just have to click to enable them. What Alan is talking about is a little more difficult, because you'd have to have the network as a fall-back for the local media. I believe yum can do this with mirrors (if one fails, fall-back to another), but I don't know how anaconda sets up the local and network repos. If the network was enabled, and if the repos were set up essentially with file:/// as the preferred and network mirrors lower preference, the fall-back should work. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 16:27 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > you from painful experience that media errors late in the install > > process are Not Fun--especially if you don't have an alternative system, > > with everything you need to burn a new disk image. > > Somewhere around Red Hat 9 I filed an RFE that any package it couldn't > read off CD/DVD it would let you go to the network to download. Sadly its > not been followed up in all the years since. > > In RH9 days it would have been quite hard, today it ought to be far > easier. Interesting thought. In fact there's no reason an install DVD can't offer you stuff that's not physically present. Maybe it'll come into its own for Fedora ??, when the full set of standard packages won't fit on a single-layer DVD :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
> you from painful experience that media errors late in the install > process are Not Fun--especially if you don't have an alternative system, > with everything you need to burn a new disk image. Somewhere around Red Hat 9 I filed an RFE that any package it couldn't read off CD/DVD it would let you go to the network to download. Sadly its not been followed up in all the years since. In RH9 days it would have been quite hard, today it ought to be far easier. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Smae thing happened with me with F11 DVD. I was thinking it had to do more with the nuances of DVD burning than anything else. I have an older DVD r/w drive in my Fedora box and I burned it very quickly with another DVD writer using a DVD -R that was standard at best. What I did was burn slower and use the "best" DVD +R media that I know of to get a clean burn of the DVD. After that, everything worked fine. My advice: - Get the most recommended/best DVD media you can - Slow it up. Burn at a slow rate (IMO produces a higher quality/better burn of DVD) -Rob > I see a problem which may be identical to the original report, but the > solution discovered does not fit. > > Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso has precisely the correct checksum after download. > Burn to DVD, boot, fails media test. Reboot to old system and run this: > > # dd if=/dev/cdrom | sha256sum > 6e812e782e52b536c0307bb26b3c244e1c42b644235f5a4b242786b1ef375358 - > 7194980+0 records in > 7194980+0 records out > 3683829760 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 508.484 s, 7.2 MB/s > > Also the correct checksum and precisely the correct size. All this done > using the same drive. New ideas? > -- > Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 >d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu > "I don't need bodyguards." -- Jimmy Hoffa, June 1975 > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On 06/11/2009 11:41 PM, Dave Close wrote: I see a problem which may be identical to the original report, but the solution discovered does not fit. ... Also the correct checksum and precisely the correct size. All this done using the same drive. New ideas? You might want to try the 'rawread' script from the link given previously, although I don't see how it would make any difference. In my case, dd reported read errors with later blocks on the disk, so I have no doubt that the media check failure was accurate. If I got dd to produce the right checksum off the media, as you did, I would feel pretty safe in skipping the boot-time check. But I can tell you from painful experience that media errors late in the install process are Not Fun--especially if you don't have an alternative system, with everything you need to burn a new disk image. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:41:21 -0700 Dave Close wrote: > I see a problem which may be identical to the original report, but the > solution discovered does not fit. > > Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso has precisely the correct checksum after download. > Burn to DVD, boot, fails media test. In a variety of situations the media test is buggy - ignore it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
I see a problem which may be identical to the original report, but the solution discovered does not fit. Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso has precisely the correct checksum after download. Burn to DVD, boot, fails media test. Reboot to old system and run this: # dd if=/dev/cdrom | sha256sum 6e812e782e52b536c0307bb26b3c244e1c42b644235f5a4b242786b1ef375358 - 7194980+0 records in 7194980+0 records out 3683829760 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 508.484 s, 7.2 MB/s Also the correct checksum and precisely the correct size. All this done using the same drive. New ideas? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "I don't need bodyguards." -- Jimmy Hoffa, June 1975 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:59 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > If I might make a stupid suggestion...go get one of those CD drive > cleaning disks and try it. It may be that the lens on the drive is > just dusty. That can lead to all kinds of silly weirdness. If you can avoid it, like cleaning it some other way, don't use one of those cleaning discs. Having a brush whack into a very delicate lens mechanism, over and over, is not a good thing. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.24-78.2.53.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Joe Smith writes: > The only change I made to the command was to add the "-dao -speed=0" > options, which are actually the defaults, as far as I can tell, so I > doubt that made any difference. The actual burning mode and speed > reported during the burn were the same as before. Well, it may have been that the first time around your dvd had some dust on it that got knocked off in all the excitement. I find that I only have burn problems when I try to be cheap and reuse media. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Joe Smith wrote: On 06/09/2009 08:52 PM, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 17:27 -0400, Joe Smith wrote: It hardly seems possible that the F11 dvd image is borked, but that's what it looks like. Any suggestions? Problems with your burner, or the blank discs? Try burning it at a slower speed. Thanks for the suggestion(s). I guess my dvd drive is going flaky. I just repeated (almost) the same command as before: # dvdrecord -dao -speed=0 dev=/dev/dvd Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso but this time the disk had no errors with rawread/dd and the pre-install media check passed. The only change I made to the command was to add the "-dao -speed=0" options, which are actually the defaults, as far as I can tell, so I doubt that made any difference. The actual burning mode and speed reported during the burn were the same as before. At least it's a huge win to be able to check it before re-booting. If I might make a stupid suggestion...go get one of those CD drive cleaning disks and try it. It may be that the lens on the drive is just dusty. That can lead to all kinds of silly weirdness. It's bitten me. Anyway, F11 is installed, and now I'm merrily pounding my head trying to get things configured properly again. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - If one is what one eats, then I am fast, cheap and greasy! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On 06/09/2009 08:52 PM, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 17:27 -0400, Joe Smith wrote: It hardly seems possible that the F11 dvd image is borked, but that's what it looks like. Any suggestions? Problems with your burner, or the blank discs? Try burning it at a slower speed. Thanks for the suggestion(s). I guess my dvd drive is going flaky. I just repeated (almost) the same command as before: # dvdrecord -dao -speed=0 dev=/dev/dvd Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso but this time the disk had no errors with rawread/dd and the pre-install media check passed. The only change I made to the command was to add the "-dao -speed=0" options, which are actually the defaults, as far as I can tell, so I doubt that made any difference. The actual burning mode and speed reported during the burn were the same as before. At least it's a huge win to be able to check it before re-booting. Anyway, F11 is installed, and now I'm merrily pounding my head trying to get things configured properly again. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 17:27 -0400, Joe Smith wrote: > It hardly seems possible that the F11 dvd image is borked, but that's > what it looks like. > > Any suggestions? Problems with your burner, or the blank discs? Try burning it at a slower speed. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.24-78.2.53.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Andre Robatino wrote: On 06/09/2009 05:27 PM, Joe Smith wrote: ... Any suggestions? Try using the handy rawread script ... after burning it. I always do this after burning a disc. Good call. Both of the disks I burned show read errors when I use this method to test them. Now to figure out why... Thanks for the tip! https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
On 06/09/2009 05:27 PM, Joe Smith wrote: > I'm having no luck getting the F11 dvd media to pass the initial media > check. > > Has anyone had any luck with this? > > Downloaded Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso using the fedoraproject.org torrent. > > The disk image passed the sha256sum check. Burning to dvd+r gave > no errors. > > Booting the F11 dvd and running the media check failed twice on the > first disk I made, and again after burning and booting a new copy. > > Running the F11 media check on my F10 dvd was successful. > > Booting the F10 dvd and running the media check on the F11 dvd gave this > error: > >> Unable to read the disc checksum from the primary volume descriptor. >> This probably means the disc was created without adding the checksum. > > It hardly seems possible that the F11 dvd image is borked, but that's > what it looks like. > > Any suggestions? Try using the handy rawread script at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm to read and verify the image directly off the disc, like this: rawread /dev/dvd | sha256sum after burning it. I always do this after burning a disc. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 dvd media errors
I'm having no luck getting the F11 dvd media to pass the initial media check. Has anyone had any luck with this? Downloaded Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso using the fedoraproject.org torrent. The disk image passed the sha256sum check. Burning to dvd+r gave no errors. Booting the F11 dvd and running the media check failed twice on the first disk I made, and again after burning and booting a new copy. Running the F11 media check on my F10 dvd was successful. Booting the F10 dvd and running the media check on the F11 dvd gave this error: Unable to read the disc checksum from the primary volume descriptor. This probably means the disc was created without adding the checksum. It hardly seems possible that the F11 dvd image is borked, but that's what it looks like. Any suggestions? https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
