F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-08 Thread Joe Smith

F9, firefox-3.0-0.60.beta5.fc9.i386

When I start firefox, it opens this page:
http://start.fedoraproject.org/

The preferences say "When Firefox starts, show my homepage", so one 
might reasonably infer that start.fedoraproject.org is the default home 
page for Fedora-packaged firefox.


However, if I click the "home" button on the toolbar, or use Alt+Home, I 
get the Google Firefox home page:

http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Even explicitly setting my home page back to start.fedoraproject.org 
does not change the behavior of the home button.


I could swear that the home button used to simply take me to the Fedora 
start page, but not now.


I know it's stupid thing; I don't much care which page is used, but I'd 
very much like to know what's going on. Maybe something to do with FF3 
entering release-candidate phase?


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Re: F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 18:57 -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
> F9, firefox-3.0-0.60.beta5.fc9.i386
> 
> When I start firefox, it opens this page:
> http://start.fedoraproject.org/
> 
> The preferences say "When Firefox starts, show my homepage", so one 
> might reasonably infer that start.fedoraproject.org is the default home 
> page for Fedora-packaged firefox.
> 
> However, if I click the "home" button on the toolbar, or use Alt+Home, I 
> get the Google Firefox home page:
> http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
> 
> Even explicitly setting my home page back to start.fedoraproject.org 
> does not change the behavior of the home button.
> 
> I could swear that the home button used to simply take me to the Fedora 
> start page, but not now.
> 
> I know it's stupid thing; I don't much care which page is used, but I'd 
> very much like to know what's going on. Maybe something to do with FF3 
> entering release-candidate phase?

On my system (firefox-3.0-0.60.beta5.fc9.x86_64) the Home button takes
me to my home page.

OT: I'd actually like to get rid of the Home button as it just takes up
space, but in contrast to the other bookmarks in the toolbar it doesn't
have a Delete option in the right-click menu.

poc

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Re: F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-08 Thread Chris Mohler
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
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[...]
> OT: I'd actually like to get rid of the Home button as it just takes up
> space, but in contrast to the other bookmarks in the toolbar it doesn't
> have a Delete option in the right-click menu.


Right-click the home button, select "customize", then drag the home
button onto the resulting window

Chris

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Re: F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-08 Thread Tom Horsley
I just did some experimenting, and apparently the firefox
designers felt compelled to introduce two different concepts:

1) The page displayed at firefox startup.

2) The home page.

Obviously, we can all see the burning need to have those be
configured to point to different places :-).

In the preferences, I set the "startup" page to be be "blank",
then I exited firefox, started it again, and observed that I
did indeed get a blank page.

Then I went back into preferences and set home page to be
"current page", so finally I have home and startup pointing
to the same place.

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Re: F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-08 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 20:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> In the preferences, I set the "startup" page to be be "blank",
> then I exited firefox, started it again, and observed that I
> did indeed get a blank page.
> 
> Then I went back into preferences and set home page to be
> "current page", so finally I have home and startup pointing
> to the same place.

I found the first page Firefox starts up with was the home page that I
set.  I only set the home page the once, and didn't do any fiddling
around other than:

Load the page I wanted as a home page.
Drop the favicon for it (left of the URI) onto the home icon.
Okay the box that popped up.

The only time I find Firefox changing to a different start page is after
an update.  Then I get their default start page, the first time Firefox
is loaded.  Subsequent loads work as I'd previously configured it.  I
don't have to change anything to make it stop showing me their start
page.

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Re: F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 19:34 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > OT: I'd actually like to get rid of the Home button as it just takes up
> > space, but in contrast to the other bookmarks in the toolbar it doesn't
> > have a Delete option in the right-click menu.
> 
> 
> Right-click the home button, select "customize", then drag the home
> button onto the resulting window

Thanks, that worked. It's simultaneously completely logical and totally
non-obvious (i.e. lacks "affordance" as they say in the HCI trade).

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Re: F9: What's up with the Firefox home page?

2008-06-09 Thread Joe Smith

Tom Horsley wrote:

...
In the preferences, I set the "startup" page to be be "blank",
then I exited firefox, started it again, and observed that I
did indeed get a blank page.

Then I went back into preferences and set home page to be
"current page", so finally I have home and startup pointing
to the same place.


Now try that using http://start.fedoraproject.org as the home page.

Using startup = blank, when I click "current page", FF enters "about: 
blank" in the home page field.


Using startup = home page, and showing start.fedoraproject.org, clicking 
"current page" does nothing.


Entering http://start.fedoraproject.org in the home page entry sets that 
as the home page, but does not affect the "home" button.


Maybe I only imagined that the home button once went to the Fedora page. 
Maybe they want some easy way for newbies to get to a known page. I just 
though it was a little weird that the home button doesn't go to the 
users home page.


Thanks for having a look.

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