Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Knute Johnson wrote:


 I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386.
   They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they
 send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to
 use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my
 sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?
 
 It's very unlikely I can help if Craig White can't,
 but doesn't it sound as if sendmail needs something
 that starts after sendmail in /etc/rc.d ?
 
 Why not try chkconfig sendmail off and then add service sendmail
 start to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and see if it works there.
 
 Or you could try giving it a later prefix number in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ ?
 
 Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately neither work.

Perhaps your sendmail needs NM to be already running?
I notice that NM starts extraordinarily late in Fedora-9,
after I have logged in.
This strikes me as slightly crazy, like a lot of things about NM.




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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-23 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:33 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 I'm sure you know much more than me about this,
 but if you want logwatch to be sent to another local computer,
 I think you have to change the entry
 
 dnl # DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl
 DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp, Name=MTA')dnl
 
 as shown in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc .

I had already done that, quite some time ago.  There would appear to be
quite a few problems with letting NetworkManager control the network.

On my laptop, still running Fedora 7, I decided to use Network Manager
as its connection to a network could change at a moment's notice.  I had
to change the order of various init scripts so that other things would
work (NFS, for instance), and add scripts to the Network Manager
Dispatcher so that NTP, for example, would work (restart the NTP
daemon).

It was quite a pain.  I couldn't do the really obvious thing, and start
Network Manager really early, as it needed some other things first.  And
other network init scripts needed moving further back so that the
network would be up by the time the system had got around to them.

This box, running Fedora 9, is a desktop on a LAN that doesn't really
change much.  So I see no point in banging my head against a brick wall
trying to fix up Network Manager.  I don't need it, and it's too damn
badly implemented.  It starts too late, by default.  And at least
sendmail and NTP need restarting after it.

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-23 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:33 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 I'm sure you know much more than me about this,
 but if you want logwatch to be sent to another local computer,
 I think you have to change the entry
 
 dnl # DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl
 DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp, Name=MTA')dnl
 
 as shown in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc .

Actually, no...  On second thought, I don't think so.  The original
configuration should be fine, it *listens* to the localhost (so logwatch
can output to email), but not to the external interface (so no hackers
can spam it).  It can still *send* elsewhere without changing that.

But, yes, I had changed that part of sendmail, because I wanted to try
sending mail between each machine directly, while fault finding the
peculiarities of all of this.  The problem existed before customising
sendmail, and after.

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
 I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386. 
   They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they 
 send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to 
 use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my 
 sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?
 
 Thanks,
 
 knute...
 
 Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: alias database /etc/aliases 
 rebuilt by root
 Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, 
 longest 10 bytes, 774 bytes total
 Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
 Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: STARTTLS: ServerCertFile missing
 Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: started as: /usr/sbin/sendmail 
 -bd -q1h
 Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sm-msp-queue[2121]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: NOQUEUE: connect from 
 localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: AUTH: available mech=CRAM-MD5 
 PLAIN ANONYMOUS DIGEST-MD5 LOGIN, allowed mech=EXTERNAL GSSAPI 
 KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: Milter: no 
 active filter
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 220 
 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 
 11:10:43 -0700
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- EHLO 
 [127.0.0.1]
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
 250-localhost.localdomain Hello localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], 
 pleased to meet you
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-PIPELINING
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-8BITMIME
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-SIZE
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DSN
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-ETRN
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-AUTH 
 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DELIVERBY
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250 HELP
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- MAIL 
 FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=427
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
 www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 050 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Transient parse error -- message queued 
 for future delivery
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
 www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
 www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
 www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 4.1.8 
 Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve
 Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
 ruleset=check_mail, arg1=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
 relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of 
 sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve
 Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- QUIT
 Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 221 2.0.0 
 localhost.localdomain closing connection
 Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
 from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=427, class=0, nrcpts=0, 
 proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]

is sendmail set to start on boot?

chkconfig --list sendmail # to review which runlevels it starts on
chkconfig sendmail on # to have it start on boot

it does appear that you've got a DNS issue too...'sender address of
www.knutejohnson.com does not resolve' is a problem as I see it.

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386. 
  They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they 
send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to 
use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my 
sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?


Thanks,

knute...

Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: alias database /etc/aliases 
rebuilt by root
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, 
longest 10 bytes, 774 bytes total
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00

Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: STARTTLS: ServerCertFile missing
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: started as: /usr/sbin/sendmail 
-bd -q1h
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sm-msp-queue[2121]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: NOQUEUE: connect from 
localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: AUTH: available mech=CRAM-MD5 
PLAIN ANONYMOUS DIGEST-MD5 LOGIN, allowed mech=EXTERNAL GSSAPI 
KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: Milter: no 
active filter
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 220 
localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 
11:10:43 -0700
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- EHLO 
[127.0.0.1]
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-localhost.localdomain Hello localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], 
pleased to meet you
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES

Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-PIPELINING
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-8BITMIME
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-SIZE
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DSN
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-ETRN
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-AUTH 
DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5

Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DELIVERBY
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250 HELP
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- MAIL 
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=427
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 050 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Transient parse error -- message queued 
for future delivery
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 4.1.8 
Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
ruleset=check_mail, arg1=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of 
sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve

Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- QUIT
Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 221 2.0.0 
localhost.localdomain closing connection
Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=427, class=0, nrcpts=0, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]


is sendmail set to start on boot?


Yes.  That's why I included the log that shows the start of sendmail.


chkconfig --list sendmail # to review which runlevels it starts on
chkconfig sendmail on # to have it start on boot


The log above shows it is running but;

[EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# /sbin/chkconfig --list | grep sendmail
sendmail0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off


it does appear that you've got a DNS issue too...'sender address of
www.knutejohnson.com does not resolve' is a problem as I see it.


When the computer first starts.  After I restart sendmail it doesn't 
have a problem any more.  This mail was sent from one of the computers 
with the problem.


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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:32 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
  I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386. 
They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they 
  send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to 
  use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my 
  sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?
 
  Thanks,
 
  knute...
 
  Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: alias database /etc/aliases 
  rebuilt by root
  Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, 
  longest 10 bytes, 774 bytes total
  Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
  Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: STARTTLS: ServerCertFile missing
  Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: started as: /usr/sbin/sendmail 
  -bd -q1h
  Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sm-msp-queue[2121]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: NOQUEUE: connect from 
  localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: AUTH: available mech=CRAM-MD5 
  PLAIN ANONYMOUS DIGEST-MD5 LOGIN, allowed mech=EXTERNAL GSSAPI 
  KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: Milter: no 
  active filter
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 220 
  localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 
  11:10:43 -0700
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- EHLO 
  [127.0.0.1]
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
  250-localhost.localdomain Hello localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], 
  pleased to meet you
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
  250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
  250-PIPELINING
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-8BITMIME
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-SIZE
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DSN
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-ETRN
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-AUTH 
  DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DELIVERBY
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250 HELP
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- MAIL 
  FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=427
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
  www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 050 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Transient parse error -- message queued 
  for future delivery
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
  www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
  www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
  www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 4.1.8 
  Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve
  Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
  ruleset=check_mail, arg1=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of 
  sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve
  Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- QUIT
  Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 221 2.0.0 
  localhost.localdomain closing connection
  Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
  from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=427, class=0, nrcpts=0, 
  proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
  
  is sendmail set to start on boot?
 
 Yes.  That's why I included the log that shows the start of sendmail.
 
  chkconfig --list sendmail # to review which runlevels it starts on
  chkconfig sendmail on # to have it start on boot
 
 The log above shows it is running but;
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# /sbin/chkconfig --list | grep sendmail
 sendmail  0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off
 
  it does appear that you've got a DNS issue too...'sender address of
  www.knutejohnson.com does not resolve' is a problem as I see it.
 
 When the computer first starts.  After I restart sendmail it doesn't 
 have a problem any more.  This mail was sent from one of the computers 
 with the problem.

I would think that sendmail starts after named starts but perhaps not.

Try setting a manual entry for www.knutejohnson.com in /etc/hosts

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:32 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386. 
  They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they 
send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to 
use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my 
sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?


Thanks,

knute...

Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: alias database /etc/aliases 
rebuilt by root
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, 
longest 10 bytes, 774 bytes total
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00

Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: STARTTLS: ServerCertFile missing
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: started as: /usr/sbin/sendmail 
-bd -q1h
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sm-msp-queue[2121]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: NOQUEUE: connect from 
localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: AUTH: available mech=CRAM-MD5 
PLAIN ANONYMOUS DIGEST-MD5 LOGIN, allowed mech=EXTERNAL GSSAPI 
KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: Milter: no 
active filter
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 220 
localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 
11:10:43 -0700
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- EHLO 
[127.0.0.1]
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-localhost.localdomain Hello localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], 
pleased to meet you
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES

Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-PIPELINING
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-8BITMIME
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-SIZE
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DSN
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-ETRN
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-AUTH 
DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5

Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DELIVERBY
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250 HELP
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- MAIL 
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=427
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 050 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Transient parse error -- message queued 
for future delivery
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 4.1.8 
Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
ruleset=check_mail, arg1=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of 
sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve

Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- QUIT
Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 221 2.0.0 
localhost.localdomain closing connection
Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=427, class=0, nrcpts=0, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]


is sendmail set to start on boot?

Yes.  That's why I included the log that shows the start of sendmail.


chkconfig --list sendmail # to review which runlevels it starts on
chkconfig sendmail on # to have it start on boot

The log above shows it is running but;

[EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# /sbin/chkconfig --list | grep sendmail
sendmail0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off


it does appear that you've got a DNS issue too...'sender address of
www.knutejohnson.com does not resolve' is a problem as I see it.
When the computer first starts.  After I restart sendmail it doesn't 
have a problem any more.  This mail was sent from one of the computers 
with the problem.


I would think that sendmail starts after named starts but perhaps not.

Try setting a manual entry for www.knutejohnson.com in /etc/hosts

Craig



That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another problem 
that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
these queued mails are sent immediately.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# mailq

Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Knute Johnson wrote:

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:32 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other 
i386.   They both fail to send email initially but if I restart 
sendmail they send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have 
it configured to use the local sendmail for sending.  The only 
thing I've modified in my sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  
Any ideas where to start looking?


Thanks,

knute...

Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: alias database 
/etc/aliases rebuilt by root
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2107]: /etc/aliases: 77 aliases, 
longest 10 bytes, 774 bytes total
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: starting daemon (8.14.2): 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: STARTTLS: ServerCertFile 
missing
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sendmail[2112]: started as: 
/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -q1h
Jun 22 11:09:54 localhost sm-msp-queue[2121]: starting daemon 
(8.14.2): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:00:00
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: NOQUEUE: connect from 
localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: AUTH: available 
mech=CRAM-MD5 PLAIN ANONYMOUS DIGEST-MD5 LOGIN, allowed 
mech=EXTERNAL GSSAPI KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: Milter: 
no active filter
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 220 
localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.2/8.14.2; Sun, 22 Jun 
2008 11:10:43 -0700
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- EHLO 
[127.0.0.1]
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-localhost.localdomain Hello localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], 
pleased to meet you
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-PIPELINING
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-8BITMIME

Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-SIZE
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-DSN
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250-ETRN
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-AUTH DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 
250-DELIVERBY

Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 250 HELP
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- MAIL 
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=427
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 050 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Transient parse error -- message 
queued for future delivery
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
www.knutejohnson.com: Name server timeout
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 451 
4.1.8 Domain of sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not 
resolve
Jun 22 11:10:43 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
ruleset=check_mail, arg1=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 
relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=451 4.1.8 Domain of 
sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve

Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: -- QUIT
Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: --- 221 
2.0.0 localhost.localdomain closing connection
Jun 22 11:10:56 localhost sendmail[2664]: m5MIAhEW002664: 
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=427, class=0, nrcpts=0, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]


is sendmail set to start on boot?

Yes.  That's why I included the log that shows the start of sendmail.


chkconfig --list sendmail # to review which runlevels it starts on
chkconfig sendmail on # to have it start on boot

The log above shows it is running but;

[EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# /sbin/chkconfig --list | grep sendmail
sendmail   0:off1:off2:on3:on4:on5:on
6:off



it does appear that you've got a DNS issue too...'sender address of
www.knutejohnson.com does not resolve' is a problem as I see it.
When the computer first starts.  After I restart sendmail it doesn't 
have a problem any more.  This mail was sent from one of the 
computers with the problem.


I would think that sendmail starts after named starts but perhaps not.

Try setting a manual entry for www.knutejohnson.com in /etc/hosts

Craig



That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another problem 
that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
these queued mails are sent immediately.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:02 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
 Knute Johnson wrote:
  
  That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another problem 
  that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
  these queued mails are sent immediately.
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# mailq
  /var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
  -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- 
  Sender/Recipient---
  m5MItEsf002625   52 Sun Jun 22 11:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
  name look)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  m5MIrQFK002822   52 Sun Jun 22 11:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
  name look)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Total requests: 2
  
 
 These extra emails are problems with the mailq (I think).

I'm out...I abandoned sendmail for postfix years ago. A suggestion
though...set up a server on your lan to handle relaying all outbound
mail and use an smtp connection to that server instead of relying upon
the local /usr/bin/sendmail binary. That pretty much solves the issue of
configuring each workstation to handle mail deliveries.

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:02 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

Knute Johnson wrote:
That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another problem 
that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
these queued mails are sent immediately.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# mailq
/var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
-Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- 
Sender/Recipient---

m5MItEsf002625   52 Sun Jun 22 11:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
name look)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
m5MIrQFK002822   52 Sun Jun 22 11:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
name look)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Total requests: 2


These extra emails are problems with the mailq (I think).


I'm out...I abandoned sendmail for postfix years ago. A suggestion
though...set up a server on your lan to handle relaying all outbound
mail and use an smtp connection to that server instead of relying upon
the local /usr/bin/sendmail binary. That pretty much solves the issue of
configuring each workstation to handle mail deliveries.

Craig



There are a million ways around the problem, but I'd really just like to 
fix it.


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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:02 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
  Knute Johnson wrote:
  That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another problem 
  that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
  these queued mails are sent immediately.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# mailq
  /var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
  -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- 
  Sender/Recipient---
  m5MItEsf002625   52 Sun Jun 22 11:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
  name look)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  m5MIrQFK002822   52 Sun Jun 22 11:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
  name look)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Total requests: 2
 
  These extra emails are problems with the mailq (I think).
  
  I'm out...I abandoned sendmail for postfix years ago. A suggestion
  though...set up a server on your lan to handle relaying all outbound
  mail and use an smtp connection to that server instead of relying upon
  the local /usr/bin/sendmail binary. That pretty much solves the issue of
  configuring each workstation to handle mail deliveries.
  
  Craig
  
 
 There are a million ways around the problem, but I'd really just like to 
 fix it.
 
 Thanks for trying though.

I feel that you missed my point.

If you are going to rely upon configuring sendmail on each machine on
your LAN to deliver e-mail, you need to have working DNS and some
knowledge on how to configure sendmail. That's what's required to fix
it. You are choosing your own burdens here.

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:02 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

Knute Johnson wrote:
That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another problem 
that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
these queued mails are sent immediately.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# mailq
/var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
-Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- 
Sender/Recipient---

m5MItEsf002625   52 Sun Jun 22 11:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
name look)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
m5MIrQFK002822   52 Sun Jun 22 11:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
name look)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Total requests: 2


These extra emails are problems with the mailq (I think).


I'm out...I abandoned sendmail for postfix years ago. A suggestion
though...set up a server on your lan to handle relaying all outbound
mail and use an smtp connection to that server instead of relying upon
the local /usr/bin/sendmail binary. That pretty much solves the issue of
configuring each workstation to handle mail deliveries.

Craig

There are a million ways around the problem, but I'd really just like to 
fix it.


Thanks for trying though.


I feel that you missed my point.

If you are going to rely upon configuring sendmail on each machine on
your LAN to deliver e-mail, you need to have working DNS and some
knowledge on how to configure sendmail. That's what's required to fix
it. You are choosing your own burdens here.

Craig



I understand you perfectly.  However there is no DNS problem as I can 
read mail from the server, the browser works and I can ping.  There is 
some new problem with F9 that is causing this or something that works 
differently on F9.  This has worked fine on every version of Fedora 
since 1 and it works fine as soon as I restart sendmail.


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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:48 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:17 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
  Craig White wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:02 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
  Knute Johnson wrote:
  That didn't fix it.  The mail got queued though which is another 
  problem 
  that occurs sometimes along with this.  As soon as I restart sendmail 
  these queued mails are sent immediately.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] knute]# mailq
  /var/spool/mqueue (2 requests)
  -Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- 
  Sender/Recipient---
  m5MItEsf002625   52 Sun Jun 22 11:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
  name look)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  m5MIrQFK002822   52 Sun Jun 22 11:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (Deferred: Name server: www.knutejohnson.com.: host 
  name look)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Total requests: 2
 
  These extra emails are problems with the mailq (I think).
  
  I'm out...I abandoned sendmail for postfix years ago. A suggestion
  though...set up a server on your lan to handle relaying all outbound
  mail and use an smtp connection to that server instead of relying upon
  the local /usr/bin/sendmail binary. That pretty much solves the issue of
  configuring each workstation to handle mail deliveries.
 
  Craig
 
  There are a million ways around the problem, but I'd really just like to 
  fix it.
 
  Thanks for trying though.
  
  I feel that you missed my point.
  
  If you are going to rely upon configuring sendmail on each machine on
  your LAN to deliver e-mail, you need to have working DNS and some
  knowledge on how to configure sendmail. That's what's required to fix
  it. You are choosing your own burdens here.
  
  Craig
  
 
 I understand you perfectly.  However there is no DNS problem as I can 
 read mail from the server, the browser works and I can ping.  There is 
 some new problem with F9 that is causing this or something that works 
 differently on F9.  This has worked fine on every version of Fedora 
 since 1 and it works fine as soon as I restart sendmail.

But I am running F-9 and sendmail and don't get those startup errors...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep 'Name server timeout' /var/log/maillog*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep 'Name server timeout' /var/log/messages*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# chkconfig --list sendmail
sendmail0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off

so it seems as though you do have some DNS problem somewhere.

And I assure you that if there was an inherent problem with mail
delivery on Fedora-9, we'd be hearing plenty of moaning.

but since I have a server on the LAN that handles mail delivery (both on
the LAN and to the Internet), it's a waste of time for me to configure
each local system to deliver e-mail when all I need to do is just use my
server for smtp connections and if necessary, simply configure a
workstation to use my server as a smarthost.

Thus when I see you using e-mail addresses with zones (www) and errors
resolving them, it seems to me that it's simply errors caused by your
configuration which seems to be unnecessarily complicated and requires
that you notch up your troubleshooting capabilities.

I recall that on Fedora 8, NetworkManager sysv init ran rather late in
the startup series but checking it out now, it starts much earlier and
certainly before SendMail so that shouldn't pose a problem (which is why
I suggested putting an entry in /etc/hosts).

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

I feel that you missed my point.

If you are going to rely upon configuring sendmail on each machine on
your LAN to deliver e-mail, you need to have working DNS and some
knowledge on how to configure sendmail. That's what's required to fix
it. You are choosing your own burdens here.

Craig

I understand you perfectly.  However there is no DNS problem as I can 
read mail from the server, the browser works and I can ping.  There is 
some new problem with F9 that is causing this or something that works 
differently on F9.  This has worked fine on every version of Fedora 
since 1 and it works fine as soon as I restart sendmail.


But I am running F-9 and sendmail and don't get those startup errors...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep 'Name server timeout' /var/log/maillog*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep 'Name server timeout' /var/log/messages*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# chkconfig --list sendmail
sendmail0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off

so it seems as though you do have some DNS problem somewhere.


Why would only sendmail have DNS problems and only before it is restarted?


And I assure you that if there was an inherent problem with mail
delivery on Fedora-9, we'd be hearing plenty of moaning.

but since I have a server on the LAN that handles mail delivery (both on
the LAN and to the Internet), it's a waste of time for me to configure
each local system to deliver e-mail when all I need to do is just use my
server for smtp connections and if necessary, simply configure a
workstation to use my server as a smarthost.


It takes about 30 seconds to configure.


Thus when I see you using e-mail addresses with zones (www) and errors
resolving them, it seems to me that it's simply errors caused by your
configuration which seems to be unnecessarily complicated and requires
that you notch up your troubleshooting capabilities.


Only sendmail and only before it is restarted after that it works fine.


I recall that on Fedora 8, NetworkManager sysv init ran rather late in
the startup series but checking it out now, it starts much earlier and
certainly before SendMail so that shouldn't pose a problem (which is why
I suggested putting an entry in /etc/hosts).

Craig



The entry in /etc/hosts did not solve the problem.  That's the main 
reason I don't think it is a DNS problem.


If you are bored, set your thunderbird to use localhost as the SMTP 
server and try it.  And try to email your local server so you are sure 
it isn't some ISP blocking problem.


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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 12:48 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

Craig White wrote:
There are a million ways around the problem, but I'd really just like to 
fix it.


Thanks for trying though.


I feel that you missed my point.

If you are going to rely upon configuring sendmail on each machine on
your LAN to deliver e-mail, you need to have working DNS and some
knowledge on how to configure sendmail. That's what's required to fix
it. You are choosing your own burdens here.

Craig

I understand you perfectly.  However there is no DNS problem as I can 
read mail from the server, the browser works and I can ping.  There is 
some new problem with F9 that is causing this or something that works 
differently on F9.  This has worked fine on every version of Fedora 
since 1 and it works fine as soon as I restart sendmail.


But I am running F-9 and sendmail and don't get those startup errors...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep 'Name server timeout' /var/log/maillog*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# grep 'Name server timeout' /var/log/messages*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# chkconfig --list sendmail
sendmail0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off

so it seems as though you do have some DNS problem somewhere.

And I assure you that if there was an inherent problem with mail
delivery on Fedora-9, we'd be hearing plenty of moaning.

but since I have a server on the LAN that handles mail delivery (both on
the LAN and to the Internet), it's a waste of time for me to configure
each local system to deliver e-mail when all I need to do is just use my
server for smtp connections and if necessary, simply configure a
workstation to use my server as a smarthost.

Thus when I see you using e-mail addresses with zones (www) and errors
resolving them, it seems to me that it's simply errors caused by your
configuration which seems to be unnecessarily complicated and requires
that you notch up your troubleshooting capabilities.


Removing the www doesn't solve it either.


I recall that on Fedora 8, NetworkManager sysv init ran rather late in
the startup series but checking it out now, it starts much earlier and
certainly before SendMail so that shouldn't pose a problem (which is why
I suggested putting an entry in /etc/hosts).

Craig


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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 13:45 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

 If you are bored, set your thunderbird to use localhost as the SMTP 
 server and try it.  And try to email your local server so you are sure 
 it isn't some ISP blocking problem.

worked fine - no adjustment nor sendmail restart necessary

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Craig White wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 13:45 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

If you are bored, set your thunderbird to use localhost as the SMTP 
server and try it.  And try to email your local server so you are sure 
it isn't some ISP blocking problem.


worked fine - no adjustment nor sendmail restart necessary

Craig



OK.  So what's different about my two computers from yours?

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 14:55 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
 Craig White wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 13:45 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
  
  If you are bored, set your thunderbird to use localhost as the SMTP 
  server and try it.  And try to email your local server so you are sure 
  it isn't some ISP blocking problem.
  
  worked fine - no adjustment nor sendmail restart necessary
  
  Craig
  
 
 OK.  So what's different about my two computers from yours?

DNS?

but again, I don't see the need to route e-mail through the local system
when I've got a fully configured smtp server on my LAN.

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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Timothy Murphy
Knute Johnson wrote:

 I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386.
   They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they
 send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to
 use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my
 sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?

It's very unlikely I can help if Craig White can't,
but doesn't it sound as if sendmail needs something 
that starts after sendmail in /etc/rc.d ?

Why not try chkconfig sendmail off and then add service sendmail start
to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and see if it works there.

Or you could try giving it a later prefix number in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ ?


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Re: F9 - sendmail won't send on startup?

2008-06-22 Thread Knute Johnson

Timothy Murphy wrote:

Knute Johnson wrote:


I've got two installations of F9 running, one x86_64 and the other i386.
  They both fail to send email initially but if I restart sendmail they
send fine after that.  I'm using thunderbird and have it configured to
use the local sendmail for sending.  The only thing I've modified in my
sendmail.mc file is the masquerading.  Any ideas where to start looking?


It's very unlikely I can help if Craig White can't,
but doesn't it sound as if sendmail needs something 
that starts after sendmail in /etc/rc.d ?


Why not try chkconfig sendmail off and then add service sendmail start
to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and see if it works there.

Or you could try giving it a later prefix number in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ ?


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